Sure, you can get the oneshot if you stack enough buffs to get there. Just be aware there are quite a few hoops
#zealot-class
left iron
hard nexus
what about with the overhead?
left iron
The damage would be closer, but not on Crucis level. I can get a quick test after im done preparing dinner, so i'll get back to it in ~15 minutes
lament wave
The crucis can with martyrdom and thrust 4
lament wave
Oops someone said it already
lament wave
I do it all the time xd
vestal pine
with carapace it should be similar to crusis then. must've had few more obscure buffs
anyway ty for experimenting
left iron
Im pretty sure max marty, max HT, max thrust, max sustained, duellist, cara perk will get the oneshot on crucis at least, but im not 100% sure with ironhelm
I can test that in ~15 mins with the other stuff
ember yew
Im pretty sure max marty, max HT, max thrust, max sustained, duellist, cara perk...
for the lols -> max HT + max thrust + max sust.assault + cara + 15 stacks of momentum
would be a kill if we still had 20 stacks
FS will burn in hell
technically can achieve a oneshot with momentum, but probably need 80-80-80 hammer
this is 80-80-75
hard nexus
Im pretty sure max marty, max HT, max thrust, max sustained, duellist, cara perk...
max martyrdom with a few stacks of slaught will get the kill
i know that
idk how many stacks
left iron
Im getting a feeling i did this specific test back right after the hp buffs, but i am not 100% sure. This is max HT, thrust, sustained, duellist active, cara perk, 1 marty
left iron
Im getting a feeling i did this specific test back right after the hp buffs, but...
And this was the lowest i could get the oneshot to with relatively easy to get to hoops
obtuse stirrup
Im pretty sure max marty, max HT, max thrust, max sustained, duellist, cara perk...
Slaughterer must make the numbers a bit friendlier too
but it's a harder hoop in itself
left iron
Yes, but HT is more accessible
Its a difference of 15% power, so you could drop marty completely and have less sustained, but thats unlikely to happen anyway, since sustained is pretty much tied to both HT and slaughterer
So they'd both be at max stacks
Again, take that one specifically with a grain of salt, i cant remember exactly if this was before or right after the hp buffs the enemy oggys got
neat drum
out of the 3 zealot voices, which one would fit saltzpyre the most, in tone and character of course
im arguing between agitator and fanatic
cursive cloak
Judge
elfin mango
where do i go to melt weps for the blessings?
vestal pine
where do i go to melt weps for the blessings?
"hadron here. pay attention."
fleet zealot
misty nova
A giraffe
forest eagle
How do I not die in melee?
misty nova
Dodge more often
vestal pine
dont overshoot
get revanant and at least be skilled enough to rely upon it and not die every 2 mins
misty nova
Also learn that there's dodge limits
forest eagle
I haven't played in a good while, but I have a low level Zealot that I really want to max out.
obtuse stirrup
Pushing is good too
forest eagle
The Veteran I played for the longest time felt a lot beefier in melee than my Zealot does.
obtuse stirrup
And take some of the good toughness regeneration shit
forest eagle
I even played Psyker and felt like I had more melee survivability.
obtuse stirrup
Like second wind
Fury of the Faithful is great as a toughness battery especially with 2 charges and one of the good CDR talents
vestal pine
The Veteran I played for the longest time felt a lot beefier in melee than my Ze...
duh, power swords, voc, frag nades that recharge every minuite
plasma
obtuse stirrup
If you want to feel squishy try ex stance vet lol
misty nova
Oh, avoid ragers for now
vestal pine
even the shovis basically oneshot crushers is a plus
obtuse stirrup
Oh, avoid ragers for now
Revolver them in the head tbh
vestal pine
zealot has to pull chainaxes to do that without crits smh
obtuse stirrup
You can't just trade swings with them
vestal pine
Revolver them in the head tbh
this is ass i much prefer to agrapina braced them
vestal pine
You can't just trade swings with them
after the nerf they're much better tbh
fleet zealot
How do I not die in melee?
Time dodges so you aren’t spending them all, be ready to block, know what swings to use (ie vs groups you wanna make sure you are using cleaving sweeps not comboing into overheads)
misty nova
So yeah, dodge push light heavy special your way through melee
forest eagle
Ragers were kind of puzzling.
fleet zealot
You can't just trade swings with them
This is why i like weapons that stagger ragers in their sweeps, like crusher or mk4chaxe
forest eagle
As Psyker? Easy. They fucking melt.
fleet zealot
Ragers depend on your weapon
forest eagle
As Zealot, it feels like I'm trying to fistfight a semitruck.
fleet zealot
Sometimes it is better to just used range and gun them down
forest eagle
My build goal is chain axe with flamer.
fleet zealot
Mk4 chaxe can bully rager packs with punishment talent and ramped up power
Mk12 can handle individual ragers but imo it struggles with packs
As for flamer
Just fotf, to up your damage and shoulder check them
lean lark
As Zealot, it feels like I'm trying to fistfight a semitruck.
get to level 30
equip mk6 hsword with headtaker deathblow maniac elites
ragers become swiss cheese
fleet zealot
Yea for early chain axe, just rev’d heavy
quaint verge
That or use crusher
misty nova
You won't have a weird time with Crushers if you use the Heavy sword special, considering the adm
fleet zealot
Hsword special heavy loop is okay for one crusher but falls off for multiple
obtuse stirrup
You won't have a weird time with Crushers if you use the Heavy sword special, co...
it's still slow
it's better than the other things a HS can do
but I pull out the revolver again if I need to do it fast
misty nova
But yeah, ideally you want to learn the ins and outs of dodging to avoid getting melee stomped
misty nova
it's still slow
Yeah Hswords aren't my first option when it comes to killing crushers/monstrosity
lean lark
hsword has good dmg vs bosses
misty nova
And I swear, every time I use one, my team dies and I have to deal with the monstrosity
lean lark
you just need to hit nonstop weakspots (like you would for every other weapon)
misty nova
If we are talking about the Mk 9, ideally the H1 is your main source of boss damage
forest eagle
Being out of the loop for a good time makes this conversation feel like I'm witnessing some tech priests mumble in binary.
north sedge
I only talk about the mk69
forest eagle
How use chain axe to do big kill?
What do the different chain axes actually do differently?
obtuse stirrup
12 can oneshot Crushers reliably with revved heavies iirc
Not sure if it needs the FotF rip
north sedge
No it doesn't
Neither does mk4
Just needs slightly more buffs up, either pretty easy
misty nova
im talking about the mk6
That one does have more reliable heavies for dealing with bosses without having to block reset
One of the main reasons why I started using it
The other reason is that it looks cool
fleet zealot
fleet zealot
How use chain axe to do big kill?
rev'd attacks, which are used witht he special action
mk4 specifically can also do unrev'd light spam for single target
this is better for monstros, enemies not focusing you and maulers (maulers will get staggered by lights if you are pre ramped)
hushed knoll
Just needs slightly more buffs up, either pretty easy
SAVE THE SPRUCES SAVE THE PINES
PRESERVE THE EARTH LETS KEEP IT CLEAN
ELECTRONIC NOTES SERENE
fleet zealot
SAVE THE SPRUCES SAVE THE PINES
visual stream
physical necessity
north sedge
SAVE THE SPRUCES SAVE THE PINES
merry flume
decide to cut grass today, it's already 85 degrees at 10 am
heat exhaustion is no joke im just slumped at my pc
need shower but i just wanna sleep
left iron
ELECTRONIC NOTES SERENE
median steeple
Man the helldivers discord is full of some creatures
yo fathshark pretty please with a cherry on top release the bolt pistol early
ember yew
Man the helldivers discord is full of some creatures
dont you dare to vomit at furry
median steeple
the same people who were spamming those emojis do be complaining that the company donated to charity for children
fleet zealot
yea, hd2 discord drama is wacky
fleet zealot
"hey don't hate on furry pictures if they ain't suggestive" "EXCUSE ME WHAT ABOUT MY FREEZE PEACH"
just scroll past it mofos
median steeple
Man I feel bad for the mods in that server
down right some of the worst of humanity is in there
fleet zealot
kinda, i feel they could def adjust their angle, this discord is pretty good about filtering the weirdos
then again their discord is way bigger
median steeple
mfs are mad that they didn't get the minds and that the community chose to save children and pilestadt donated to savethechildren
fleet zealot
like, weirdos here are at most a biweekly basis
median steeple
yeah since this discord is much smaller the mods here can just obliterate them fast
fleet zealot
last one i remember was a person calling others tourists and saying to "seek the emperor's mercy" Like lmao that sounds so lame
median steeple
last one i remember was a person calling others tourists and saying to "seek the...
time to see if I need to update my mods
fleet zealot
he was an ogryn chatter of course
once again proving ogryn has both the best and worst players in the community
median steeple
give it up for day 562 of melk giving nothing good
neat drum
now you see me
merry flume
once again proving ogryn has both the best and worst players in the community
had an ogryn player essentially force wipe a team because he spawned in and started running backwards through the level
neat drum
classic
merry flume
and my team was dumb enough to try to save him
neat drum
save a broda
merry flume
we were at an airlock door and they all left to die
and i had to do the one portion of the jail map where it's just a long gauntlet hallway before the bossfight
(i died)
fleet zealot
now you see me
some noble in spireside bout to be jumpscared by a mutie corpse
dense field
now you see me
Oh sweet, a schizophrenia update!
drowsy steppe
once again proving ogryn has both the best and worst players in the community
Roleplaying their class's IQ
zinc talon
merry flume
if there's no teamkilling in darktide why can't my bullets just go through teammates
that's my only gripe with ogryn, they just get in the way too often
there's even team damage lines, it's kinda like they wanted friendly fire at one point in time
neat drum
yeah just like in vt2, but then realized how ranged heavy this game was, compared to vt2, and i think is fine how it is rn
fleet zealot
if there's no teamkilling in darktide why can't my bullets just go through teamm...
body blocking is still bad bad
just not, allies dying cause of it bad
neat drum
ok im really proud, it actually looks better than in the barber
median steeple
kind of uncanny
neat drum
sad kruber scars arent in game
median steeple
After trying Hi int gas again
I don't vibe with this modifier
idk maybe it was the map
desert anvil
Which one do ppl prefer?
merry flume
anything but the killmonger fade
merry flume
shit piss me off whenever im in creator creator and i see that fuck ass hairstyle
median steeple
I've just seen that haircut so much
its like seeing a buzz cut
idk I just dont like it
merry flume
every game in the last 5 years
frosty herald
Which one do ppl prefer?
lips
merry flume
just do the entire head with dreads 😭
frosty herald
just do the entire head with dreads 😭
they did eddie wrong in tekken 8
desert anvil
I just wish we had more haircuts that match black chars. Like rn out of the ones i posted, one looks like a 80s po*nstar and the other looks nothing like a priest.
merry flume
they did eddie wrong in tekken 8
i dont wanna talk about it
desert anvil
How about between these two?
median steeple
I just wish we had more haircuts that match black chars. Like rn out of the ones...
yeah
merry flume
right
frosty herald
How about between these two?
my boy troy marshall in darktide
desert anvil
thx
ivory marlin
my boy troy marshall in darktide
I saw the art and fr went “did fortnite revamp again?”
delicate shadow
call of duty still existing is wild to me
ivory marlin
Real
frosty herald
i trust treyarch
sterile stone
my boy troy marshall in darktide
Bro looks like a young Eddie Murphy
ivory marlin
Argus
sterile stone
No
ivory marlin
:(
ivory marlin
Fair
sterile stone
No want move
ivory marlin
Kinda based take argus
sterile stone
Kinda based take argus
median steeple
elfin mango
anyone here able to help with the special assignment? damnation
joining teams that arent very good and dying a lot
elfin mango
also is this bad from the low stability?
north sedge
It's also just not great
elfin mango
well im running TH and want to swap with flames for a ranged wep
tired of relying on people who never kill snipers etc
revolver then??
median steeple
zarona will do a lot more than kill far away specials
north sedge
Revolver is better yea
elfin mango
zarona will do a lot more than kill far away specials
zarona?
elfin mango
Revolver is better yea
which was the better of the 2?
north sedge
Zarona
north sedge
Always is
elfin mango
ok .. is pen worth having on this?
frosty herald
Looks good
median steeple
upgrade that fucker
elfin mango
median steeple
yeah idk im still iffy on the whole pox gas modifier
elfin mango
no idea what to look for with blessings though
median steeple
elfin mango
i have like 0 blessings saved
median steeple
you want handcannon and surgical on your revolver
elfin mango
yeah ive never melted equipment
median steeple
time to gamble
elfin mango
didnt even know it was a thing, just started playing again
median steeple
ok so how a lot of people do it is go to brunts and buy a couple of what you want, then you upgrade those to blue (or at least I do) see if you got the blessings you wanted and take those off
thats for blessings
median steeple
it is very expensive
median steeple
yeah they are reworking the system some time this year
stone fern
frosty herald
yes
maiden path
the abilty for meowth to talk implies that pokemon have a higher conscious then that of an animal
therfore it is from my understanding that all pokemon rest around the same iq of 105
the median of the average iq of humans
maiden path
and from that I gather that pokemon are sick fucking freaks who enjoy beating eachother senseless
pokemon do not have to fight or obey their masters yet they choose too
actual fucking freaks
brought into this world to fight and be knocked out on a regular basis
mewtwo is a hero compared to these freaks
frosty herald
I agree
maiden path
atleast he tries to be something more then a tool for others amusement
mewtwo is the malcom x of the pokemon world
visual stream
the abilty for meowth to talk implies that pokemon have a higher conscious then ...
The fact that they can fully comprehend human language despite no formal training of any kind and respond accordingly kinda would mean they're slightly smarter
frosty herald
Meowth could also be an anomaly in pokemon nature
visual stream
I think he's an anomaly by way of talking, not of understanding
There are like 50 times where a trainer walks up to a random wild pokemon and starts talking to it and it understands, or understands shortly after being captured
still quartz
Meowth, that's right
maiden path
The fact that they can fully comprehend human language despite no formal trainin...
humans naturally learn speech during childhood
i 'aquit' pokemon to the same standards
fleet zealot
median steeple
atomic latch
found a catachan blade with t4 uncanny strike in melks shop. worth copping?
ivory marlin
guys i got a new keyboard and mouse
fleet zealot
ivory marlin
fleet fractal
and when i press in a key it goes green
Ok femboy
ivory marlin
:(
fleet fractal
Hey wait I think I have that keyboard
maiden path
its actually only blue purple and pink
homophobe!
ivory marlin
homophobe!
no im pan
fleet fractal
@ivory marlin did u get custom keys for it
ivory marlin
<@684185845523153151> did u get custom keys for it
yeah
fleet fractal
What do u have on the oled display
ivory marlin
Haha freak
i drew it myself
visual stream
humans naturally learn speech during childhood
They learn bits and bobs, takes much longer or schooling to understand full speech, neither of which lots of our lil cage fighting friends get but still understand
but good point
fleet fractal
i drew it myself
Very impressive in that case
Tho since it's not animated and it's an oled that means it's definitely burned in at this point
ivory marlin
LMAO
i did like just now set up the new keyboard tho so idk if its gonna burn in that fast
fleet fractal
i did like just now set up the new keyboard tho so idk if its gonna burn in that...
Fair yeah, might be fine
Well done drawing that tho @ivory marlin
fleet fractal
By who
ivory marlin
i call him grandpa sometimes
median steeple
ivory marlin
exactly
fleet fractal
What age is "old"?
ivory marlin
What age is "old"?
idk i think he is like 25 or smth
fleet fractal
idk i think he is like 25 or smth
Interesting
ivory marlin
i dont actually think hes old
fleet fractal
i dont actually think hes old
Mhm lol
fleet zealot
idk i think he is like 25 or smth
i'm 24 up in this bitch fuck off
i know you ain't directing at me
but come onnnn
no one wanna get old and everyone gonna get old
north sedge
fleet fractal
https://tenor.com/view/how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-steve-buscemi-30rock-fellow-kid...
Me
ivory marlin
you arent old
south folio
old asses
placid fiber
Yay, I finally got it! I got the alt weapon skin for the marine's starting weapon, in Enter the Gungeon! :3
That was the last character I needed to get the alt starting weapon skin. :3
neat drum
sometimes this game is just so satisfying
opal sparrow
What modifier is the dump stat on the catachan mk 3?
ornate bone
catacachan 🗡️
opal sparrow
Friend of mine found one with 80% everything but penetration
The penetration is 57%
royal vortex
if the knife has uncanny or riposte (if you're going for 95-100% crit rate) it won't matter that the pen is moderately low
vocal pulsar
if the knife has uncanny or riposte (if you're going for 95-100% crit rate) it w...
you are moderately low (to the ground)
hard nexus
if the knife has uncanny or riposte (if you're going for 95-100% crit rate) it w...
josho jumpscare
haven’t seen u in a while
median steeple
high zodiac
are there any skills that regen grenades?
north sedge
on vet only
spare dome
unremitting in the center tree lets you sprint farther so you can pick them up first
high zodiac
lol, damn i was hoping zealot had one
its annoying seeing a crowd and not having a stun grenade
do we have a skill to carry more?
high zodiac
doing penances, need to get more hestias blessings
fleet zealot
fleet zealot
coarse birch
you are moderately low (to the ground)
Josho is short
indigo harbor
Looking for a team to run missions with. Anyone have an open spot in the team?
crisp furnace
@opal sparrow was me
opal sparrow
<@984206502455828510> was me
Ah, yea gg that was a good game
I did some crazy boss damage with my evis
ashen willow
Why the hell do I get better ranged weapons in the shop for my zealot than my vet, and why does my vet have better melee weapons than my damn zealot?
north sedge
Because melk is crap
drowsy steppe
Recency bias
opal sparrow
85k dockets to roll
Still saving mine for the update
Got to have enough to gamble it all away for the new weapons
misty nova
Why the hell do I get better ranged weapons in the shop for my zealot than my ve...
You're lacking good ranged on your melee focused character and vice versa
next relic
Any great build with hammer ? i think now the hammer build are so useless 😦
fleet zealot
Any great build with hammer ? i think now the hammer build are so useless 😦
how so?
thrust+ ht or slaught
unyielding + elites, or maybe flak
just go martyrdom or inexorable judgement keystones, imo IJ is better because hammer really loves backstab cdr and has a few swing combos to flip enemies around for an easy backstab kill
when u mean 2 me this who u being mean 2
spare talon
when u mean 2 me this who u being mean 2
FUCK you
drowsy steppe
ashen willow
Recency bias
Recency bias does not explain why Melk or the Vendor refuses to give my vet any good revolvers, but showers him in chain axes and swords, meanwhile, my dam zealot can't get any useable rolls on his swords, but has more revolvers than Red Dead Redemption
ivory marlin
Hi mal
drowsy steppe
Recency bias does not explain why Melk or the Vendor refuses to give my vet any ...
skill issue 
hello jail
ivory marlin
My keyboard came today
ashen willow
skill issue <:PensiveCowboy:898754575694196806>
fleet zealot
Recency bias does not explain why Melk or the Vendor refuses to give my vet any ...
Why does it matter, cross class families share their blessings
Between different characters
ashen willow
yet i still can't get a revolver above 330 on my vet
fleet zealot
It’s TRUE pure random rng it sucks but it isn’t purposefully giving you melee on vet and ranged on zealot you just got some negativity bias
fleet zealot
yet i still can't get a revolver above 330 on my vet
Skissue i guess start rolling a blunt and roll some brunts
ashen willow
Skissue i guess start rolling a blunt and roll some brunts
Finally, some good advice
especially the first part
fleet zealot
Waiting for melk or hourly brunt shop for something beyond checking for a blessing or a high roll is not worth imo
coarse birch
My keyboard came today
I think i have the same one
ivory marlin
I think i have the same one
Apex 5?
leaden pebble
nice board
not a fan of steelseries tho
leaden pebble
i dont care for most companies that brand products towards gamers
other than maybe wooting, otherwise its custom built every time
fleet zealot
leaden pebble
gaming headsets, keyboards, chairs etc
usually it’s premium price for not so premium products
spare talon
gaming headsets, keyboards, chairs etc
usually it’s premium price for not so pre...
ive stuck with hyper x
since its stupid cheap
and their shit has lasted me years and years
me and my 60 dollar headset
70 dollar mechanical keyboard
leaden pebble
ive had a pair of beyerdynamics for maybe half a decade by now
anything with rgb also is generally a no go from me
spent ~$300 for the headphones and probably about the same for my keyboard, but ive had em for years and will probably keep using them forever
chair is also a very nice office chair i got as a gift, very comfortable unlike the fuckin racing chairs people buy lmao
fleet zealot
I got the cat ear headset for Christmas
I think that’s just calling me gay but it’s alright
Razer bloatware isn’t hurting my pc too bad
leaden pebble
razer 
their new 75% ain’t bad but id still rather use a custom board if im spending $200
fleet zealot
Oh one downside of the cat ear razer
The audio is like, meant to be at 20% are they meant to double as speakers!!?????
Nearly blew my eardrums out
leaden pebble
my setup is very plain
no rgb, monochrome colors, nothing crazy or shit that pops out
ive had several headsets and pairs of headphones over the years
every “gaming” headset ive tried from razer, steelseries, hyperx, turtlebeach, astro, you name it
doesn’t come close to a beyerdynamics pair
go figure, the one thing that isn’t specifically marketed at gamers is the best quality lmao
fleet zealot
I had a really good rocketfish headset with amazing surround sound as a young teen but they stopped doing wired sets and switched to wireless which sucked and ate batteries
leaden pebble
i dislike wireless things
only wireless device i use is my mouse because its constantly moving around, everything else is wired
leaden pebble
devices that use batteries are shit
random adder
radiant nacelle
hey guys, what's everything I need to know about running the 2h stun mace thingy?
radiant nacelle
Oh thanks for pointing that out! I'll take a look
coarse birch
ive had a pair of beyerdynamics for maybe half a decade by now
Yeah ive got 2 beyers
Dt 700 pro x and dt 900 pro x
Like them both
vestal pine
when will we get shield for zealot
maiden path
when will we get shield for zealot
never fuck u!
vestal pine
cool getting me a 2h powersword instead
maiden path
nop
celest sail
For the Heavy Sword Mk 9, is the "Cleave Targets" stat important with deathblow? In my eyes not really but I have one with a a score of 53 and that feels like pushing it
maiden path
u get nothing
vestal pine
For the Heavy Sword Mk 9, is the "Cleave Targets" stat important with deathblow?...
dont think so
maiden path
For the Heavy Sword Mk 9, is the "Cleave Targets" stat important with deathblow?...
show the sword
spare talon
https://i.imgur.com/VMzmUj5.png
the hsword already has bonkers cleave, this is fine
you wont even notice it in the thickest of hordes with deathblow
vestal pine
koreans usually recommend headtaker and rampage idk why
north sedge
Just deathblow gets real silly
vestal pine
drathblow might be better tbh
spare talon
its cuz its what seems like the best outright if you arent aware of the first target part of deathblow
celest sail
north sedge
its an old roll but checks out
median steeple
I love those little guys
vestal pine
its cuz its what seems like the best outright if you arent aware of the first ta...
i think half the shit we do is just to ugnore the damage falloff by having even higher power
north sedge
Deathblow was shit prior to p13, ht rampage was the way to go
vestal pine
doesnt really work that much but still
north sedge
But bm change made deathblow ridiculous
coarse birch
New deathblow is just bm now ye
vestal pine
was it different before
north sedge
Yea and bm worked differently
spare talon
deathblow got hit with the bromentum change
before it was just it ignores cleave if you hit the head
vestal pine
Yea and bm worked differently
heard it was just hit the head and ignore cleave for few secs
north sedge
Used to be
spare talon
which the hsword just doesnt need
vestal pine
was the keep first target damage for the next 3 target a new BM change
spare talon
its what it does INSTEAD
coarse birch
was the keep first target damage for the next 3 target a new BM change
Yeah
spare talon
plus the weakspot damage is also new
spare talon
which isnt much but its something
coarse birch
And weakspot ye
vestal pine
weakspot we can ignore usually
vestal pine
does the cleave damage falloff happen as in 1,1,1,1,2 or 1,1,1,1,5
spare talon
it used to be a buff btw
it used to ignore cleave for like 3 seconds after a kill, not on the swing only
vestal pine
ah
coarse birch
Oh right
spare talon
does the cleave damage falloff happen as in 1,1,1,1,2 or 1,1,1,1,5
the first
vestal pine
even better then jeez
spare talon
now do you see why its worth over rampage
coarse birch
Esp cause hsword has swings thatll actually hit 5+
spare talon
hsword already does enough damage to be able to one shot an elite to the head with first target
so that means you can kill 4 elites in one swing
vs with rampage youd just oneshot them harder
vestal pine
power sword 3 brutal momentum was fun somehow oneshot 6 ragers i think with the infiltrate buff
spare talon
and only kill the first one
coarse birch
Rampage mostly made light spam into horde funny
vestal pine
would be real fun if crusis got brutal momentum
obsidian prairie
If they let the thunderhammers slide on charged attacks with BM it would be fucking hilarious
spare talon
so close
vestal pine
now do you see why its worth over rampage
sunder still cleaves infinite but have the damage falloff happen normal just like perfect strike right?
spare talon
vestal pine
or other "ignore hitmass"
spare talon
south folio
sunder and perfect strike are 4x cleave instead of infinite
coarse birch
I can hear this clip
south folio
but yeah they still have normal falloff
spare talon
I can hear this clip
me when i have constipation
vestal pine
sunder and perfect strike are 4x cleave instead of infinite
neat, i remember just ignoring multiple shields
south folio
bulwark shields & carapace have a property that makes them stop all finite cleave immediately
vestal pine
ah
south folio
sunder and pstrike have an unlisted effect that ignores this property
spare talon
sunder and perfect strike are 4x cleave instead of infinite
what about my 0 cleave targets power sword
south folio
ye
south folio
what about my 0 cleave targets power sword
based (at hitting only one mauler/scab rager per swing)
vestal pine
kinda knew about carapace but didnt know shields were this too
royal vortex
sunder and perfect strike are 4x cleave instead of infinite
0.25x hitmass
combine with savage sweep for enlightenment
coarse birch
Yeah shield is just carapace although it takes like 0 damage
Similar to how some moves do 0 damage to cara
royal vortex
arcotash do not make me find your 8 fkin variable sprint stamina efficiency calculation
vestal pine
tbh perfect strike evi still suffers cause its 4 strike
south folio
arcotash do not make me find your 8 fkin variable sprint stamina efficiency calc...
??? what a deranged combination of words that you've concocted
do not talk to me ever again
royal vortex
bad quackers
spare talon
??? what a deranged combination of words that you've concocted
schizo to schizo communication
open pollen
Wasn't there some overriding mechanic that made cleave not so good? Or is cleave back in style now
royal vortex
im not schizophrenic im just efficient
vestal pine
lacerate
coarse birch
Arco you can never nerd emoji me again
open pollen
Can I get a nerd emoji?
royal vortex
tbh perfect strike evi still suffers cause its 4 strike
the way most people use it is idiotic (mk15), i would only consider it for the mk2's h1 which is uncapped
coarse birch
You wont like it
royal vortex
You wont like it
what
vestal pine
the way most people use it is idiotic (mk15), i would only consider it for the m...
way most people use it is to cheese the game system and gain infinite charges
i like to do that too at times
coarse birch
Another thing i cannot mention
royal vortex
that's not evis or perfect strike specific
royal vortex
you can do that with a lot of weapons
vestal pine
you can do that with a lot of weapons
on shields?
royal vortex
i dont know why people use perfstrike for it when the benefits are incredibly marginal
if you're sitting there attacking bulwark shields you have an entirely different problem than blessing selection
north sedge
Mister josho
royal vortex
mr YAAAAAS SOUP
north sedge
Can you buy more crushers
vestal pine
if you're sitting there attacking bulwark shields you have an entirely different...
eh
royal vortex
Can you buy more crushers
when they release the darktide crack pipe support
north sedge
when they release the darktide crack pipe support
Wdym they've had rebreathers forever
coarse birch
Yeah bypassing armor stop seems marginally useful
vestal pine
if you're sitting there attacking bulwark shields you have an entirely different...
stunlocking hordes near bulwark and can ignore bulwark is a fine thing to have even if weirdly sprcific
royal vortex
Wdym they've had rebreathers forever
that's just crack. no pipe
vestal pine
anyway, good info
blissful tendon
royal vortex
stunlocking hordes near bulwark and can ignore bulwark is a fine thing to have e...
i don't think there's ever a situation in which i would want or need that. like bulwarks have been made easier on the ovwrall to kill since the shield changes
vestal pine
brutal momentum doesnt increase cleave itself then, just lets the cleave continue for the next 3 target
south folio
yeah the description for it is wrong
royal vortex
the cleave stagger from a mk15 on falloff is nothing special
and hitting chastise isn't doing much when there's a bulwark there
vestal pine
i don't think there's ever a situation in which i would want or need that. like ...
after the shield changes and just overall nerf to their existance outside of few specific secnarios definitely made it less needed probably tbh
still pretty much braindead easy to use
royal vortex
i mean i've hardly really needed to ever stun enemies around a bulwark when the far more pressing issue is the existence of the bulwark
north sedge
I mean, just let bulwark swing then stab
royal vortex
and there's stuff like crusher which does that way easier and more effectively
coarse birch
Easier
royal vortex
i cannot stand any of the chain weapons. i hate them all
vestal pine
i like mk4 chainsword
coarse birch
And a bit of mk4 chord on psyker
north sedge
People like evisc because it looks cool, not because of functionality
I like mk 4 chaxe as well, rest i don't care about
royal vortex
Ive been really into mk4 chaxe
every time i use a chain weapon i am reminded they chose one of the worst ways i could think of to implement chain weapons and have stuck by it
vestal pine
every time i use a chain weapon i am reminded they chose one of the worst ways i...
which is?
north sedge
every time i use a chain weapon i am reminded they chose one of the worst ways i...
Imagine if it had a dot sight like plasma punisher
coarse birch
Special is kinda doo doo
royal vortex
need to build a time machine to go back to the birth of every fatshark dev and tell their parents that having a button that you press to start a rev animation so that you can then latch onto an enemy to shred them
except the shredding only actually does significant damage on the final tick
vestal pine
Special is kinda doo doo
idk i like it
i dont like hoe it interacts with fotf
royal vortex
and it costs a shit ton of stamina to dodge out of the rev so you have an entire risk/reward mechanic just to get single target damage while a bunch of other weapons do not have to deal with this
for minimal upside
coarse birch
I would prefer you just hold special for as long as you want to shred
royal vortex
it's one of those weapon designs where they tried really hard to remove fluidity from the combat loop while using it
coarse birch
And normalize the damage per tick
royal vortex
you will notice in most 40k depictions the chainsword dudes aren't going "hold on give me a second i have to find the power button" and "hold still i have to rip you in half"
it just
happens
coarse birch
So you can just be doing your combo and then hold
vestal pine
it's one of those weapon designs where they tried **really** hard to remove flui...
feel like none of things are designed with switching midway in mind
royal vortex
feel like none of things are designed with switching midway in mind
some of them sort of are
north sedge
Chaxe comes closest to just being on
royal vortex
thunderhammers keep your position in the combo on activation
which is only relevant for the ironhelm and doesn't always work but that's besides the point
north sedge
you will notice in most 40k depictions the chainsword dudes aren't going "hold o...
It's a shame you missed in beta where chainsword was actually just off when not revved and was a shitty club
royal vortex
the special attack button for chain weapons as a baseline could've been like the next attack in your combo but it's shred mode and you hold the shred down
royal vortex
It's a shame you missed in beta where chainsword was actually just off when not ...
i was there when it was the case for the mk12 chaxe and it aggravated the autism so bad i couldnt use it
i still actually can't use it for that long because the specific noise it makes when shredding metal armor is really aggravating
north sedge
i was there when it was the case for the mk12 chaxe and it aggravated the autism...
Yea but that still did dmg
vestal pine
the special attack button for chain weapons as a baseline could've been like the...
i like the depictions, wish there was an actual toggle weaponry rather than do this for a while, special, and get back to original
coarse birch
i was there when it was the case for the mk12 chaxe and it aggravated the autism...
Bonk
north sedge
Beta chainsword took like 6 swings to kill a pox walker
royal vortex
boltgun's chainsword amazingly makes more sense for a game way less focused on melee combat because that game you just attacked once and held it down to shred
unheard of technology to the swedes
but you combine the fact that the way revs work is rigid and punishes you for the kind of fluid combat the rest of the game incentivizes with the fact that certain chain weapons are designed to feel slower (like the evis) and i just hate it
vestal pine
i like how it feels tbh, you comittign for the final hit for the big damage is a mechanism i enjoy
i do hope in the future there is actual toggle weaponry
and not do this do that special button do that back to doing original stuff
vestal pine
like
i'd definitely wish for a toggle weaponry where you swing sword, turn on the button and then every hit constantly has no cleave does constant damage to target until it dies
maiden path
whens the update
vestal pine
basically having power cycler infinite idk
every activation weapon in this game is to hit button do shit to deal bonkers damage and go back to normal
while i dont habe a problem with chainsword mechanic itself i wish it was a toggle instead of a one time use and back to the original
i just wish there was a perma-toggle weaponry
vestal pine
i'd say fuck off but you are correct
hard nexus
:3
vestal pine
now do you see why its worth over rampage
last one, does the BM lower hitmass actually or just extend the cleave automatically to the next 3 targets using the first hit and then move on from there
spare talon
its over
spare talon
last one, does the BM lower hitmass actually or just extend the cleave automatic...
just the latter
ripe quest
last one, does the BM lower hitmass actually or just extend the cleave automatic...
Kinda the latter. It extends your first target damage to the next enemy if you land a killing blow to their head, up to 3 times for a total of up to 4 kills from first target damage. Afterwards it acts like normal cleave (mainly in the case of a BM hsword, powersword, or shovel).
vestal pine
Kinda the latter. It extends your first target damage to the next enemy if you l...
"infinite cleave" like perfect strike just 0.25x mass and ignore cleave stop property like carapace/shield
brutal momentum series ignore cleave up to 4th enemy if the first strike was a wp deathblow and then start the cleave from there, then?
ornate bone
it's one of those weapon designs where they tried **really** hard to remove flui...
I'll never stop saying
The dodge during shred mechanic would be so much better if the final tick wasn't the actual damage
And instead the damage was normalized across ticks and the weapon was about constantly shredding the enemy, not trying to farm that last hit
south folio
a special activation that could be activated mid-swing would be nice as well
something that doesn't require interrupting your combo and having to wait that little bit
you can't justify the normalized damage per tick for something like force swords (well, i guess they could change the animation to be more "draining" or whatever warp stuff it's doing), but that seems perfectly doable and sensible for chainswords
like, i have this neat moment where I push-attack specialed a shotgunner by coincidence with a chainsword because the special was meant for a reaper, but it runs away and a shotgunner happened to be attacking me soon afterwards
https://streamable.com/4x4pfx
i want to be able to intentionally doing this sort of thing fluidly (e.g., in a better world, I could just activate my special in the middle of my push-attack without it being a coincidence that my special happened to be activated before I reacted to the shotgunner)
grizzled aspen
I just got booted from a team for asking why the psyker, who was running scream, kept exploding at level 30.
I had to do 2 full resets on my team because all 3 of them died... twice.
Now I don't want to be that guy but if you're going to be running a stack on damnation the least you could do is properly learn your class.
ember yew
And instead the damage was normalized across ticks and the weapon was about cons...
This, the fact that special rev relies on last tick is kinda stupid
instead of making (made up numbers) it 50 - 50 - 50 - 50 - 200
make it like 80 - 80 - 80 - 80 - 80
tropic pelican
consider nero's sword in dmc4 where well timed revs mid combo would maintain damage buffs
sturdy owl
Consider bloodbornes trick weapons, where activating the special gives an alternate moveset
grizzled aspen
Trick weapons would be sick.
Like, imagine veterans sapper shovels, but it doesn't deactivate when you flip the head.
modern lintel
Still think we shouldve got power cycler for thammer and crusher
grizzled aspen
Maybe not for thammer but definitely for crusher.
Crusher just... isn't good.
Every other weapon choice does better than it does.
The only thing it's really worth using for is to just be a bully and knock things down.
modern lintel
Thats why im saying whats the harm wouldnt rlly make to crazy imo
south folio
it's a weapon that doesn't really sacrifice damage in exchange for very good stagger
and for the crusher, the special is not something that is regularly spammed
modern lintel
Didnt they say we would be getting some sort of power maul type thing on update aswell
south folio
of all the special activation weapons, it is the least problematic in terms of how the special activation works for it
because you don't get locked/stunned (thammer/deimos/obscurus/chord/evis), and the special is not something that is regularly spammed (illisi/psword)
and in fact, i think it is a weapon for which the current special activation system is perfectly fine
ember yew
Didnt they say we would be getting some sort of power maul type thing on update ...
i only remember Pickaxe
spare talon
how ive missed you, quick play heresy
modern lintel
we gon get a 1h shockmaul
Im wondering how its going to go considering crusher is suboptimal and ogryns power maul is literally cock and ball torture tier
spare talon
crushers one of zealots best weapons honestly
south folio
and it's good at its main shtick of stagger
safe glade
TBH I feel like crusher is kinda OP. Which is why I stopped playing it. It makes the game a bit braindead
south folio
keep in mind that even though it doesn't have the conventional damage blessings, it gets the current version of skullcrusher which goes up to +80% damage stacked on staggered enemies
and the crusher is essentially THE de facto (human) weapon for taking advantage of skullcrusher
it's not like the devil's claw
vestal pine
something that doesn't require interrupting your combo and having to wait that l...
i like current implementation of chain weapons for two reasons, 1. the damage being focused on the last tic makes it more of a risk-reward option for single target, where positioning so that while the channeling lasts(sawing) not getting hit rewards you with huge points of damage, and a satisfying crunch that comes with it
and 2. you actually have an option of getting out after the carnival patch, since before you were forced to channel and you either get punished or get hit
i'd definitely welcome a change that incorporates not resetting attack chains and maybe faster activation times
south folio
i like current implementation of chain weapons for two reasons, 1. the damage be...
the problem with the risk-reward argument is that this is also a game where you're fighting multiple enemies at the same time
being actionable at all times is pretty mandatory in a game where you can be trapped or take heavy potshots
and in a game where it is difficult to predict the behavior of many and diverse enemies at a time
modern lintel
I think skull crusher is p ok for slab shield
south folio
so, theoretically, there is a risk-reward aspect to it
but practically, the special ends up being rarely used
the point of normalizing the damage and making it something that you can use is to make it more of a common option
because it's still not going to be something that is strictly better than a normal swing (at least on chainswords)
since it'll be the choice between a cleaving attack and something that sticks into enemies for better single-target damage
at least on evis, you can get away with removing the cleave on special because the heavies already do just stick into enemies
in my experience, using the chainsword special has always felt like it's either interrupted the flow of melee, has felt too risky to use, or has only been used in absolutely safe scenarios
vestal pine
here's my take; if its going to be a single high damage i think the current risk-reward choice is fine
if one wants a cleaving special, which we are lacking in game other than powerswords and ironhelm(no mauls dont count) i think it having a normalized damage all across the board is justified.
south folio
what do you mean normalized damage for cleaving specials
normalized across all targets hit?
vestal pine
no, the ripping part just having all damage divided evenly
vestal pine
my point on there is that normalized ripping damage would be fine if it wasn't a single target only special. i think all chain specials being this way just makes it less "common" to use, and it is fine imho
i
south folio
i prefer having a sticky single-target special activation that sees more regular use rather than attempting to emphasize some risk-reward aspect
vestal pine
i prefer having a sticky single-target special activation that sees more regular...
while i dont agree that the chainswords have a "bad" special, i do wish there was more of this
basically the only time this game does something akin to this is ironhelm and power mauls
annnd maybe force swords
south folio
my point on there is that normalized ripping damage would be fine if it wasn't a...
but it'd also be fine for single-target only speicals
the evis is the only cleaving ripping special that i can currently remember, and it only rips on the target that "stops" it anyways
for deimos/obscurus, they are subject to the chainsword issue except that it's worse because the damage is even less normalized across the "rips"
and basically all of the damage is at the final rip
shy badge
i prefer having a sticky single-target special activation that sees more regular...
The crusher heavily benefits from running chastise imo
compact pelican
anyone got the build of the hammer smite build
vestal pine
but it'd also be fine for single-target only speicals
i think the current implementation doesnt really have an issue. i think the dodge downside of 60% stamina might be a too much thing(ideally it should cost like 20% at most) but the concept is well done from my perspective.
i think the ripping damage and the sawing damage not distributed is cause it acts as a normalization between varying enemy targets so that it doesn't die early and i think this is intentional, and i think i like this implementation than just applying constant DPS and thing dies early
HOWEVER, since we have a thing called variations, fatshark should add more variations that does this to fit the person's preference, rather than just relying on the same thing over and over, like they did for force swords with illisi
sorry for late reply i was doing warrens
definitely a special attack that constantly rips with a decent DPS but locks you in place and dodging out costs stamina could be interesting
south folio
sorry for late reply i was doing warrens
imagine playing the game instead of arguing on discord 😔
vestal pine
imagine playing the game instead of arguing on discord 😔
i ran out of plasteel
south folio
the stamina cost is pretty hefty though it's whatevs in our current system
in a world where stamina did matter more, yeah it'd definitely need to be cut down
at least for melees, they are fairly distinct enough in combos and i don't want them to be too different in how their specials work between the marks unless it is demonstrably obvious (e.g., illisi's special being very clearly different from deimos/obscurus) from an intuitive perspective
now that i've thought about some more examples, i agree that some non-normalization is fine esp if i want a world in which the special activation is "free" in terms of time cost
here's the distribution of the rip for a chainsword sweeping heavy special (at least for flak)
so 35% on the first 3 rips and 65% on the last, which i think is too skewed to the final tick
spare talon
honestly ive not tested or seen anything about skullcrusher on dclaw
so im not sure if its too niche to be useful due to the impact, or a sleeper pick cuz of 80% damage bonus
i assume it honestly could work with punishment, but at that point youre probably on your way to piety anyway and shred is right there
vestal pine
now that i've thought about some more examples, i agree that some non-normalizat...
thought your idea worked well on a toggle, or something that doesnt have a innate duration, would be neat to have one.
vestal pine
honestly ive not tested or seen anything about skullcrusher on dclaw
so im not s...
used mk7 with skullcrusher and shred
i think for the first pushattack it can get the 80% damage bonus
dubious for the subsequent hits imho
spare talon
yeah this is pretty shit on this weapon
just playing around with a bricked one with these blessings and i cant even see a difference in damage
yeah no there ISNT a difference
south folio
clearly you are a nonbeliever
vestal pine
spam PA
south folio
the power of skullcrusher dclaw is fueled by the power of friendship
vestal pine
well that too
PA can achieve 432 on head from 286
it can work burt its marginal outside of like push
spare talon
south folio
the buff is active only when enemies are in a stagger state
spare talon
wicked sage
Why is the Ironhelm Thunder Hammer so much more clunky to use than the Eviscerator XV ?
And why does it feel like the XV is almost better at dealing with Ogryns than the Ironhelm?
south folio
so, not only does the enemy have to be staggered/in a stagger state for skullcrusher stacks to be applied
they also have to be in a stagger state for skullcrusher to actually be active
spare talon
so, not only does the enemy have to be staggered/in a stagger state for skullcru...
basically almost never actually procs for this weapon
south folio
just believe more
spare talon
im believing as hard as i can arco
and i still aint seeing it
south folio
not believing hard enough
spare talon
somehow i think sticking with rampage for cleave and damage is both more reliable and better... hmmmmj...
crazy.....
south folio
nonbeliever
vestal pine
basically almost never actually procs for this weapon
barely procs for PA only
wicked sage
Why is the Ironhelm Thunder Hammer so much more clunky to use than the Eviscerat...
These are my toys
spare talon
a blessing that is procced on hitting multiple targets is better on a horde focused weapon vs a blessing that requires constant high tier staggers.....
who woulda thunk it
shy badge
Crusherposting
spare talon
shy badge
Skullcrusher on the Indignatus feels so damn good
vestal pine
a blessing that is procced on hitting multiple targets is better on a horde focu...
imho hammerblow current best
shy badge
I have that skin too but ever since I bought it i realized its just lifted from one of the chaos captain i kinda just lost my appreciation
vestal pine
option for stagger b;essomg
spare talon
option for stagger b;essomg
yeah it is the best stagger blessing
but why would you want a stagger blessing on a sword in the first place
vestal pine
some funny build utilizes one
vestal pine
basically 1h hammer at that point tbh
shy badge
I want more 2h weapons
vestal pine
well that too
shy badge
I miss the polearms from VT2
vestal pine
greataxe or great chainaxe when
vestal pine
quite suprised that people still somehow oneshots these
even with the continuous nerfs
vestal pine
The vet damage buff helps a lot
not the vet, just going in solo and just home running whatever boss there is
paper pine
You wanna hit backstab stealth with no stamina and full thrust
dense field
Why is the Ironhelm Thunder Hammer so much more clunky to use than the Eviscerat...
It is what it is.
paper pine
Yes, join the team
safe glade
awsome
paper pine
I love how they nerfed the infamous Warhammer weapons and then best weapons are a revolver, knife, ar and an axe
north sedge
They haven't nerfed shit, player power is insane
south folio
psword, infamously bad
paper pine
Still mid imo
paper pine
Tok slow and terrible defense
south folio
if you can invest in the points to make rashad hit one-shot bps, i'm sure you can make the point investments to go into weapon specialist
and this is a game in which dodges are very good
irrespective of dodge distance
paper pine
Rashad 2 is just better
south folio
i don't care to say whether which is better than the other
but the fact that one weapon is better than it does not make it mid
suppose that rashad had a variant that did marginally less damage
would that be a mid weapon?
(cough cough)
frosty herald
taxes are mid
paper pine
Power sword is viable with melee specialist cuz it covers its faults
I still use knife cuz who doesnt want 2 mile dodge distance
vestal pine
an ogryn
vestal pine
lacerate
burnt granite
Power sword is insane and youre trolling if you think otherwise. Litterally only downside is the low mobility
spare talon
Power sword is insane and youre trolling if you think otherwise. Litterally only...
I like how this is the current opinion of it but the immediate reaction to every time it got nerfed was "they made it fucking shit now, it's unusable"
It's so funny lmao
vestal pine
You exist solely to cause us mental anguish
your welcome
obtuse stirrup
Honestly I'm not a huge fan of the power sword either
It's definitely very good
But I wouldn't say it's OP anymore
If it wasn't for the bad Carapace performance I'd call chainsword 4 better
For builds with something like plasma, revolver or even kraks i think chainsword 4 is better
vestal pine
chain4 really needs FotF to do carapace tbh
obtuse stirrup
Imo just treat it as the weapons weakness
It kills everything else lol
Well not great vs bosses without bloodletting but yeah
obtuse stirrup
Killing a mutant with a revved heavy as it goes past you is the best
vestal pine
really good sword imho
obtuse stirrup
It just falls over and dies in the next room when it remembers it got gored
Like grimdark looney tunes
vestal pine
ok i just saw a pub vet with VoC without the overshield
obtuse stirrup
ok i just saw a pub vet with VoC without the overshield
nimble fiber
vestal pine
welp we lost
compact pelican
getting Shocking Stuff is hard
quaint verge
<a:SomethingLikeThat:1226217594152030409>
neat drum
pretty sure that is the pinnacle of nsfw
quaint verge
White skull mask 
neat drum
meant the way hes holding the chainsword
polar nexus
I like how this is the current opinion of it but the immediate reaction to every...
bolter unusable
quaint verge
meant the way hes holding the chainsword
I know, but white skull mask
hushed knoll
bolter unusable
KEEEEEET
hushed knoll
<a:SomethingLikeThat:1226217594152030409>
WADIYA talkin abeet
hushed knoll
Are you okay?
ICE HELLO OMG ITS YOU 😍😍😍😍
quaint verge
Are you okay?
neat drum
I know, but white skull mask <a:PePeW:1194472768163549184>
eh, i like it
nimble fiber
quaint verge
hushed knoll
STAAAAAAAAAN
KEET OMG HI
left iron
nimble fiber
left iron
Is he ever ok?
TRUE
ember yew
Why is the Ironhelm Thunder Hammer so much more clunky to use than the Eviscerat...
Try to use Crucis.
A Hammer for real men.
placid fiber
sigh Me and my friend were going to play some ror2 together, but, they ended up falling asleep. I did a 3 hour run while waiting on them. 😦
vestal pine
ill probably make one with skullcrusher and thunderous on it and spam normal heavy
placid fiber
These were the results of that 3 hour run. >.>'
grizzled aspen
Why is the Ironhelm Thunder Hammer so much more clunky to use than the Eviscerat...
Ironhelm has combos you need to learn a little better than the Crucis, but it cleaves until you hit something you can ping (shotgunner, gunner, ogryn, etc). The MK15 eviscerator lets you directly pick a target because the heavies are vertical. As for the "ease of usage" vs ogryns, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that it's due to the nature of how damage is handled on the two weapons, as well as the eviscerator heavy being easier to aim around a bulwark shield than an Ironhelm heavy.
placid fiber
Ironhelm has combos you need to learn a little better than the Crucis, but it cl...
Imo, unless you want a little more damage, you just special heavy 1/2 and block cancel with the ironhelm
Like... it answers almost every question with a special heavy 1/2
grizzled aspen
Yeah, but teaching your brain that after using the Crucis for so long is a little hard.
I, myself, rarely use push attacks, but I learned literally today that the Ironhelm goes into your 2nd heavy after push attack.
placid fiber
And the Crucis also has consistent and useful lights
rather than a half-hearted light 1 and then a light 2 that is the same as the crucis for damage(I think anyway)
grizzled aspen
Eh... I just learned the trajectory of Ironhelm lights so I don't miss heads.
Not really that hard.
vestal pine
Ironhelm has combos you need to learn a little better than the Crucis, but it cl...
tbh zero idea about combos
placid fiber
The light 1 on the ironhelm is abysmal
vestal pine
push-heavy 3 is kinda hard to use
grizzled aspen
Now, learning what lights lead into what heavies is the issue.
placid fiber
The light 1 on the ironhelm is abysmal
You might as well use a heavy 1 or 2 instead
grizzled aspen
In other news, I pulled a super good heavy sword earlier.
vestal pine
The light 1 on the ironhelm is abysmal
decent opener
placid fiber
which mk?
grizzled aspen
IX
vestal pine
but about the same
grizzled aspen
Yeah, opener heavy into special resets back into opener heavy. Quite useful for picking out maulers in a crowd.
But what made this one really good in particular was how the blessings rolled.
Both wrath and headtaker(?) at t4.
placid fiber
since both heavies do the same damage on the mk 6, whereas the 9 repeats heavies 2 and 3 over unless you block cancel pretty much(and it does less damage generally speaking)
grizzled aspen
Both the ones that do on-hit effects.
placid fiber
Both wrath and headtaker(?) at t4.
Headtaker and Deathblow/Rampage
That's what you want for the blessings
grizzled aspen
Well, for right now, this works wonderfully.
placid fiber
and Flak and Maniac for the perks(you can always swap maniac for unarmored if you want)
grizzled aspen
I don't use maniac on it because every maniac dies to a heavy in 1 hit on damnation anyway.
placid fiber
but beggers can't be choosers sometimes
vestal pine
Both wrath and headtaker(?) at t4.
headtaker has more damage on heavy swords cause idk
placid fiber
I had a crucis, on one of my zealots, that was stuck with the 2nd perk being 8% weakspot damage :/
That sucked lol
grizzled aspen
That's rough.
vestal pine
I had a crucis, on one of my zealots, that was stuck with the 2nd perk being 8% ...
better than 8% crit damage
grizzled aspen
My Ironhelm is stuck with like 4% elite damage.
I still 1shot everything but crushers and bosses though.
placid fiber
better than 8% crit damage
Personally? I'd rather have +15% block efficiency than 8% weakspot/crit damage on a crucis especially...
vestal pine
i'd just have carapace