zealot-class

[zinc talon]

when he finally does die, there's a couple still-canon but absolutely heresy things that can happen

[vestal pine]

either way probably not the pleasent

[misty mason]

Yeah but like, people reckon when he dies that's when will actually come back

[zinc talon]

it could be that his death is the last step in his apotheosis

[spare talon]

Being in an unconditioned building at 95 f doing manual labor while smelling months worth of rat piss is fun, yall should try it sometime

[zinc talon]

and the astronomicon stays lit

[vestal pine]

if he dies holy terra still explodes anyway

[zinc talon]

it could be that he becomes something inbetween a god and a reborn perpetual

[vestal pine]

dont think vulcan removed his safeguard design

[misty mason]

I dont want to work at Amazon

[zinc talon]

the star child theory

and it could be he dies, and the astronomicon goes out

but he's reborn

like he was 40k years ago

it could be he's a straight perpetual like vulkan or ollianus pius and just pops back out hey guys how's the webway thing going

[vestal pine]

on the final The End and the Death we see him almost becomming the 5th chaos god, he's probably sitting there, "alive", stopping him from forming

[misty mason]

Aren't tonnes of primarchs getting the perpetual treatment

[vestal pine]

no

only vulkan is

[zinc talon]

robot was in stasis

[misty mason]

It would be very not surprising if big E is a perpetual

[zinc talon]

with his throat slit

eldar waifu found the solution, so he's back

[vestal pine]

rest have crazy healing factor, but only Vulcan can fully be raised back from the dead

and he's now missing great

[zinc talon]

on the spectrum lionel is interred within the rock

but he's back I think

[vestal pine]

hes back alright

[misty mason]

Lionel Richie

[zinc talon]

leman and jaghatai are fucked off down the road in the webway and eye of terror respectively

[vestal pine]

caught up in the actual Rock

[zinc talon]

enjoying their hunts

so they're still here technically

[vestal pine]

dorn left a hand

vulkan just kinda disapeared after the Beast

[zinc talon]

so all he needs to come back is a luke skywalker prosthetic

he's unconfirmed either way

fulgrim is fully a loyalist again

but he's stuck in a painting

that the necron memelord has

[vestal pine]

ehh idk if that will ever get used again

[zinc talon]

dorian grey style

[misty mason]

Wait fulgrim is a loyalist again?

[vestal pine]

feels like it was a one-off

no

[misty mason]

Wild

[zinc talon]

Trazyn has a painting

[vestal pine]

favius vile created a perfect clone of fulgrim

[zinc talon]

with a full copy of fulgrim as a loyalist, unchanged by chaos

that's it

you're right

[vestal pine]

that has the memories of him turning heresy

[zinc talon]

but he like, regrets it tho doesn't he

[misty mason]

Ah right

[zinc talon]

like he wants to be loyal

[vestal pine]

vile almost followed him, and then came back to his senses and just hand it over to trazyn

[vestal pine]

yeah

[misty mason]

Is fulgrim a dp? Or just possessed?

[zinc talon]

so Trazyn has a fucking 30k primarch in his vault

[vestal pine]

problem is how sassy the man gets he might just come another fulgrim

[zinc talon]

fulgrim is fully ascended

[misty mason]

I thought all the mono god legion primarchs were dps

Right yeah

[vestal pine]

nah just uh funny soul magic from the emperor with primarch dna

[zinc talon]

he's a naga looking snake-lower 4-armed upper purple dragon looking thing

[vestal pine]

oh the originall fulgrim

[zinc talon]

magnus, I think, is the one that will turn back of his own volition

[vestal pine]

he was pocessed

[misty mason]

Yeah wasn't sure if that meant he was a demon prince or if it was just possession biz

[zinc talon]

yeah demon prince fulgrim, is not fulgrim

[vestal pine]

and then the demon got vanquished
and then later he become daemon prince

[zinc talon]

imagine if you had a tulpa in your head

and the tulpa took control

[misty mason]

Ah geez

[zinc talon]

and you yourself are just in the back watching your body do things

[misty mason]

Fulgrim lore sounds silly

[vestal pine]

thats called a daemonhost

[zinc talon]

I always wondered why the DHs are constantly praying specifically to the emperor

undisturbed and disturbed both

by the something, the rod, and the way

[vestal pine]

i still fucking wonder who did the dregs take to make one

[vestal pine]

its imperial hymmal

[misty mason]

Puuussss

[zinc talon]

well they're all female, at least

I think they're psuckers the black ships don't find

and are kidnapped and forced to bend over and relax while they're uh you get the rest of the bad sex joke I'm setting up here

[misty mason]

I think DHs have to be made

[zinc talon]

yeah

[vestal pine]

they are made

[misty mason]

They're not just regular possessed

[zinc talon]

like wheel of time channelers being bound against their will by a circle of 13 black ajah

[hushed knoll]

[misty mason]

U

[zinc talon]

they have to be taken and ritualized and then possessed whether or not consent slips have b een signed by all parties

[vestal pine]

getting like a higher class daemon, forcing them inside a human body(usually psyker) that has lot of safeguard measures on it

[zinc talon]

some prolly were just willing heretics but law of large numbers

[vestal pine]

sometimes used by the inquisitors

[misty mason]

Yeh

[vestal pine]

other times the traitors

[misty mason]

I've read Eisenhorn

[zinc talon]

lol yeah the inquisition will take these same people and allow them (while they watch and record) to be possessed

just to study and learn about the process

they'll willingly let people fall into hosting a daemon so they can talk to it or watch how it happens then have the whole thing locked away or killed

[hushed knoll]

[vestal pine]

From the blasphemy of the Fallen,

Our Emperor, deliver us,

From the begetting of daemons,

Our Emperor, deliver us,

From the curse of the mutant,

Our Emperor, deliver us,

[zinc talon]

which, since we're mentioning it

[vestal pine]

i think its this that the host is saying

[zinc talon]

if you lock a demon inside a host

then lock the demon inside a cell

that issss one less demon that can manifest

[vestal pine]

out of like

infinite

[zinc talon]

infin

yep

[vestal pine]

really fun

[zinc talon]

but I'm wondering if you could catch like, Ka'banda

[vestal pine]

40k is like

jsut absolutely fucked

absolutely

[zinc talon]

and then Ka'banda is removed from the chessboard

yknow I bet they're doing that exact fuckiung thing

[vestal pine]

and i like warhmmer the most cause there is light shining in the darkness, not just that it stinks of death and damnation

[zinc talon]

intentionally calling and possessing hosts to lure named or greater daemons/princes

then just putting them on an asteroid prison and setting that prison on a long orbit into the host star

[vestal pine]

heres the thing
if the seal isnt perfect its gonna kill the one who summoned it
and then go back

[zinc talon]

ofc

this has absolutely been tried down in the dark cells

[vestal pine]

so higher class daemons are almost impossible to seal

[misty mason]

I would think binding a greater demon would be more or less impossible
Except the Eisenhorn DH power level implies it would be a greater demon tier

[vestal pine]

probably some unnamed one

unnamed greater daemons lose to named space marine after all

[misty mason]

Bro solos a titan

[zinc talon]

dawn of war two's story has the great unclean one as the BBEG

and y ou try and fail to seal it

the fact you tried before failing at least implies it's possible

[vestal pine]

fair point

[zinc talon]

but it's 40k

it was prolly never possible

and you're just the one sent to uh, occupy its attention before the inevitable

[vestal pine]

tbh

speaking of daemonhost

[misty mason]

Sealing and sealing in a mortal host are two different kettles of fish

[vestal pine]

big E might be the worst case of it all basically

[vestal pine]

5th chaos god still being kept inside

all these years

[zinc talon]

you mean in the sense that he's all those shamans collectivized into one body?

like, he's the host for all of them?

THE FIFTH

CHAOS

GOD

IS

MALAL

[vestal pine]

no we dont talk about [ ]

[zinc talon]

I cannot STAND they retconned him

[misty mason]

Nah horned rat

[vestal pine]

honed rat

[zinc talon]

is the rat in 40k?

[vestal pine]

no

but its a meme

[misty mason]

No

[zinc talon]

darn

I read a good one a while ago

that the skaven are the closest ally humanity has

because one can't live without the other

[spare talon]

You could just ads and the sniper you'd want to shoot has already been lobotomized

[vestal pine]

fun one btw, there is a rumor about the great horned rat being one of the dwarven ancestor gods taht was kicked out cause he couldnt do shit with metal, so he learned to bend flesh and then yknow skaven

which is why dwarves kill rats

(they failed)

[zinc talon]

lol this is what I imagine the assassin clade that's traditionally the sniper-ish role would have in their hands

[misty mason]

That's a grudgin

[zinc talon]

WENT TA WRITE DOWN ME GRUJ

[vestal pine]

prolly one of the oldest grudge if anything

[zinc talon]

STUMPED ME TOE

[vestal pine]

i liked the one

[zinc talon]

THATS ANUTHR GRUUJ

[vestal pine]

where quick headtaker dies

[zinc talon]

STUMPIN ME TOE WRITIN GRUJS

[vestal pine]

he's just scared to death bbefore even strangled to death

[misty mason]

KHAZAKAD KHAZUKIT
HWOAH

[zinc talon]

well it's dwarves and greenskins as the like, chapter one rivalry

and I know dawi don't like rats either but

[misty mason]

Me ax fiiirsts fer worrr

[zinc talon]

I always thought it was skaven and humanity as the primary rivalry

even moreso than chaos

that's a chapter 10 plot development

[misty mason]

Nah man

[vestal pine]

rats are pretty much against everything

[misty mason]

Skaven v skaven

[vestal pine]

including itself

[zinc talon]

okay then educate me gear shift back to 40k

[vestal pine]

but yeah thats a "rumor" from one of the gw novels i think

[zinc talon]

a ratling gunner is just an abhuman then

[vestal pine]

i think its a funny one

[zinc talon]

my voice actor talks about them in-mission

[vestal pine]

basically dwarven hubris creating the ones that kill the earth lmfao

[zinc talon]

how he wishes he could have one in the squad

[vestal pine]

ratlings are basically dwarp sized humans

(different from squats, which eventually became votanns and they're the actual dwarves)

[zinc talon]

well we did just get squats back oin the table didn't we

(I've been a 40k simp since fucking middle school and never played a single tabletop)

[vestal pine]

was like 3 years ago now

[misty mason]

Ratlings are snipers basically

[vast basin]

damn just got a 17minute auric mael win with pubs

[zinc talon]

(tabltop dumm)

[misty mason]

Well that's their thing

[zinc talon]

shit which one and what was the secret ingredient

what were the conditions, I'm intrigued

[vast basin]

the current one, I-E-F

[vestal pine]

ratlings usually do two things

sniper activity

or cooking

other than that they steal shit

[vast basin]

it was double knife zealot, gunker, and a blaze trauma I think

[fleet zealot]

They're natural enemies ... just like the Empire and Skaven, Wood Elves and Skaven. Or Cathay and Skaven. Or, Skaven and Skaven. Damn Skaven, they ruined Skavenblight!

[zinc talon]

wow, you skaven sure are a cantankerous bunch

[ornate bone]

Man-thing just made an enemy for forever-life

[fleet zealot]

damn u got it before me

[zinc talon]

so I'm trying to remember the theory

but it's like, skaven are against everything

towards the end humanity obviously is against nagash, vampires, and chaos

vampires and nagash realize chaos will push the end game button, so start to turn towards

but since the skaven are anti everything

the fact that skaven follow humanity EVERYWHERE and exist in the basement of EVERY city

when chaos actually would attack, humanity would have been overwhelmed if not for having to fight skaven too

and this blunted chaos' advance enough to let humanity actually buck up and stand up

[ornate bone]

The only thing skaven support is trans rights 💪 🐀

[ornate bone]

Holy shit it's cousin Okri from Darktide video game

[zinc talon]

WELL HULLO THER LADDY (insert sitcom catchphrase here)

wild audience applause

[spare dome]

uproarious whistling

[ornate bone]

Sitcom character enters room and says "hi" in their normal accent

Audience starts having a heart attack laughing

[zinc talon]

I really need to put my face on top of that shitstain, it ruins the meme

[ornate bone]

Nice chest

[vestal pine]

runngun for melee when

[zinc talon]

in fact

loudly opens paint and tries to find the open button

[median steeple]

Paint!?

I love chugging paint

Purples my favorite 🤤

[zinc talon]

fun fact

were yall aware that bursters

[zinc talon]

bursters enjoy their last moments on tertium

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/jody-high-roller-braces-silver-sharp-shark-teeth-gif-5409083

their mango

is too blow up

and pretend they don't know nobody

[zinc talon]

outclassed and outplayed

that last one absolutely swapped doors on me

you can hear it

[fleet zealot]

i would have backed the fuck up hearing the layered beeps

let the karker behind me handle it

[zinc talon]

the vet pushed em diagonally into that corner

this was back when they were spawning 3 at a time every time, under your feet around the ne xt corner

the one out of the door was the only normal spawn

so, quick explanation then deep dive video

I do not show up to a mission, to kill things

I'm not there to do damage

I am there, to keep everyone else alive

[vestal pine]

i feel like its back somehow

[zinc talon]

because if the smols stay alive, and I stay alive, for long enough

[fleet zealot]

see i used to have that mentality

i still do

except bursters

[zinc talon]

we get on the ship and I get my rashuns

[fleet zealot]

i don't trust anyone with bursters

[zinc talon]

all of this is a feint tho

[fleet zealot]

if there is a hint OF sketch in the air

i'm backing off

[zinc talon]

because I am terrible at clutching

[vestal pine]

do you trust yourself with the bursters

[zinc talon]

like, fucking terrible

[fleet zealot]

let the next person handle it

[zinc talon]

so I spend all my time keeping smols from getting shot in the earlobe and bleeding out before the next apothejerry

[fleet zealot]

teammate blows bursters in my face more than once? i'm done

[zinc talon]

sometimes, though, a man is thrust into greatness

[fleet zealot]

i hear layered beeps meaning bursters stacked in eachother? fuck that

i'll frontline and power juggle to kill everything I can

but bursters are an exception

[vestal pine]

most scary is hearing bebebebebheebebebebebebebebebebebeb and not expecitng to blow up, aka when burster is on the ground

[fleet zealot]

i do NOT get rejects

who walk up to prone bursters

back your ass off i'm trying to shoot it

WAIT i need to make a new ogryn

Named BBL Drizzy

[vestal pine]

wanna make heiachi

on the wierd position of if you shoot it blows up and it hits you and cannot be pushed

wosrt position tbh

[fleet zealot]

At that point that is just an issue with positioning in advance

it's like getting stuck in a corner and trappered, you shouldn't be there

and should rewind and see the mistake that got you there in the first place

foresight posisitioning is a big thing and the gas modifier really showed off who has it and who doesn't

[vestal pine]

mistake was playing this game

[zinc talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1234589238671179908/Desktop_2024.04.29_-_14.35.15.34.mp4?ex=666c9bd4&is=666b4a54&hm=7d309d1af8aff62c9374600dcab26af9db2494ea30306c1b5731c9a85d462a74&

dammit I relinked the vids I wanted here to og chat

well it stays because those phillistines need all the help they can get

these are a longer format than my usual vine chucklefuck vids

[vestal pine]

hadron ruining yet another

[zinc talon]

but I said all that about being terrible at clutching to culminate in this not-bragging-but-prolly-still-humblebragging sequence

[zinc talon]

finally, a knife that actually hits like a knife

https://tenor.com/view/anime-anime-meme-anime-react-anime-reaction-arakawa-gif-8258439823509290590

[vestal pine]

i have a mobility 9 shotgun still in service

[obsidian prairie]

Maul

[vestal pine]

i envy for having 0 rolls

[zinc talon]

they are so exceedingly hard to find

what's funny, is I don't have just one veteran, I have two if you can believe it

[vestal pine]

when itemization comes i hope we get to customize modifiers

im definitely making mobility 0 gun

[zinc talon]

(both are rank 1 underwear models for the cosmetics I buy t hem)

[obsidian prairie]

0 0 0 0 0 weapon that is just the handle

[zinc talon]

the chance of getting a 1% or 0% weapon, with those rank 1s

is about the same as getting a 1% or 0% weapon on my 30s

even though those weapons are all at like, 15% at rank 1

[vestal pine]

also wuld be funny if the itemization brings in 80%+ weaponsry

so people make 100 100 100 80 0

[zinc talon]

I mean I already have and use a power maul with 0% power output

my headcanon is, okri killed some Big Bad and this was his weapon

but the battery got knocked out in the fight

and everyone's too nice to tell him it's not just a fancy bonker he's using

so he just brings a power maul everywhere

\

[vestal pine]

i think me not playing knife for a while made me shit at it

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/good-great-stand-up-donald-glover-gif-5236308

this is supposed to be thirty seven thousand years in the future

we have plasma guns and chainsaw swords

I cannot stand seeing people use world war 1 poop shovels and thankgiving carving knives

[fleet zealot]

If it ain’t broke don’t fix it

Mechanicus motto

Sure you can make a chainsword, but a normal sword is cheaper and easier to make

[zinc talon]

next time you're able to

[vestal pine]

dont worry lacerate aint over

[zinc talon]

take an actual critical look at the folding shovels in an og's hand

that flimsy ass goofy hinge joint it has

would be gone on the first impact

yet, hardest hitting weapon on offer one shots crushers

[fleet zealot]

Voting to ban the word lacerate from this discord

[visual stream]

Why would you do this to a well-rolled hammer

[zinc talon]

destroys the suspension of disbelief for me

[fleet zealot]

Only allowed to say “the other bleed blessing” /j

[zinc talon]

and the knife, cleaving multiple horde targets and killing several each swing?

[fleet zealot]

Oh noooo

[zinc talon]

wtf is it a vibro blade or mini lightsaber, cmon man

[fleet zealot]

It’s a vt2 boomer hammer

[visual stream]

LMAO

[fleet zealot]

Is their curios+9 stam

[zinc talon]

I stopped using thunder hammers like first week

cuz the crucis is such a blatant copy paste of bardin's 2h

[fleet zealot]

Momentum is such a bait blessing jfc i hate it

I hate it has high numbers

[visual stream]

He has 4 wounds so I think he's a non-martyr with 2 wound curios or a martyrdom with no wound curios

I'm not sure which is worse

[vestal pine]

easier flesh tearer

[fleet zealot]

May be cause bardin is my least played but isn’t crucis identical to kruber greathammer

Besides activation

[spiral anvil]

The two greathammers in vt2 are similar/same

[fleet zealot]

I respect crucis

It just isn’t for me

Ironhelm i find distasteful

It’s the zealot powersword

[spiral anvil]

Isit though

That's like saying Paul is the ogryn's crusher

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-frogs-bite-biting-cute-gif-23044464

[fleet zealot]

Paul and crusher are the same weapon types tho just one sucks

Im saying in usage and players

I knew the ironhelm buffs would make the ironhelm simps go crazy

Activations that go through horde are lowkey bs anyways

For evi it works

[merry flume]

paul

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/better-call-paul-better-call-saul-better-call-saul-paul-gif-25573799

[vestal pine]

precog uncanny mk3 would be great for relic

[misty mason]

A group of Magpies is called a Mischief

[vestal pine]

venturing to NA

[vestal pine]

relearning

lacerate def helps with hordeclear but eh

[ivory marlin]

Bruh my coworker asked if he could go talk to his friemd for a bit at like 8 my time

Why he just now coming back in

[ornate bone]

omg yes bestie slayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[ornate bone]

guess who didn't mew

[vestal pine]

game kicked me out

midway

but lacerate real easy to just maul like 10 gunners to death thankfully

fun

so the scoreboard got reset smh

oh hey look piety blade

nice

[random adder]

holy moly

deep rock galactic launched a new season

poggers

[vestal pine]

yes

[random adder]

time to rock and stone again

[vestal pine]

when will they add 2h pickaxe?

when will fatshark add 2h pickaxe cause i fully believe somethigns gonna go south and the update being like 2 days late

[random adder]

dwarf too smol for that

[misty nova]

Except it's past midnight now

Dang it, missed the perfect time for the joke

[maiden path]

i have to save al the children on vernen wells

[median steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/227912785290330113/1251019049278640210/m2-res_1080p_4.mp4?ex=666d0dc8&is=666bbc48&hm=a785b304595068bcf6f450d5a39152629fe689f9dfc9618c23f2d73120599fef&

[ivory marlin]

Playing siege and a little child started speaking on coms and someone else hops on coms and yells “GET BACK IN YOUR DADDIES' BALLS, MISTER”

[median steeple]

Holy christ Im saving that for later

[spare talon]

im trying to set this as my server profile banner but discord wont let me

[vestal pine]

nice

switched myself from mk4 to mk7 tho

[median steeple]

too big?

[spare talon]

discord just says there was an issue changing it

its under 10mb

[ivory marlin]

Beat his ass

[maiden path]

i think the machine gun is my favorite thing

it fucks so hard its insane

[zinc talon]

I've come back round on the orbital strike too same as the MG

everyone's sleeping on em cuz they were the first things we got

so 'noob'

[maiden path]

orbital strike sucks!!

[ripe quest]

Become dust in the wake of time

[maiden path]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

they did nothing with the orbital mm barrages though

sadly

[ripe quest]

kinda hard to buff them when they're already pretty solid for what they're designed for

[maiden path]

one thing i actually dont like about the update

is that they didnt make the liberate planets

jungle planets

they made them robot hellscapes

they add these cool jungle cosmetics but no jungle planet liberation missions!

[median steeple]

has anyone figured out how you equip the camos?

[maiden path]

i cant go sleeveless on automaton planets!!

[median steeple]

they're in the game apprently I just dont know what planets have them

[neat drum]

we are also convicts ya know

[maiden path]

top left

[maiden path]

you dont give convicts plasma guns and bolters

[median steeple]

thank you

[vestal pine]

nice melee

i want rashad in helldivers

anyways what did they buff now

[vestal pine]

well you dont give convicts boltpistols to execute personel
yet

[frosty herald]

Us actualy saving the children is hella amusing

We dont get a reward but delaying the mines is funnier

[random adder]

Im bored

chat do something funny to entertain me

[ivory marlin]

This kinda reminds me of suspiciously tent shaped bear

[drowsy steppe]

lmao

[spare talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/984566553246834778/1104777967508410459/IMG_0177.gif

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-the-horse-is-here-peter-griffin-horse-honse-family-guy-gif-27283357

[elfin mango]

Does the damage stack with flamethrowers?

[zinc talon]

for anyone still unclear on iFrames and what an iFrame dodge is

that, is an iFrame dodge

[vestal pine]

posting lacerate knife

[vestal pine]

i dodge too late then

[zinc talon]

I mean it's the only thing I can think of

I sat still trying to dodge left and hitting that bulwark

and that first shot I just looked at sternly and the bullet went yipe yipe yipe the other way

the second I think I had clearance on but I dodged into the third, I think anyway I had turned my view from it

[vestal pine]

brutal momentum crusis i want

or sunder crusis

would be funny

[zinc talon]

shock and awe is still my favorite meme tier blessing just for the giggle factor

swinging like sauron

[vestal pine]

what does shokanaw do again

its not like the hammer lacks the power to cleave

however it lacks in damage obv

[drowsy steppe]

WHAT DAMAGE

what damage

caps

[zinc talon]

shuck and JIVE

[elfin mango]

If it adds a dot of 3 DPS a second, will that stack to 2x of you keep shooting?

[zinc talon]

oh volume/trigger warning: language

each additional burn stack adds exponential damage

if that's what you're asking

[drowsy steppe]

the more you apply burn stacks the more DOT you do

[zinc talon]

it's not linear like 3 dmg per stack, it's 3 7 12 25 50 125

[elfin mango]

Ok thanks

[drowsy steppe]

how much burn stacks you can apply is determinded by the Burn stat

[zinc talon]

burn is the crucial stat on a flamer

cone radius as well

damage is less important

[drowsy steppe]

16 stacks is the maximum, and 76% burn is needed to achieve that

[zinc talon]

^

it's also the speed at which the stacks are applied I'm pretty sure

so you use less fuel to lay more stacks in less time

[drowsy steppe]

your m1 does not apply burn DOT. And the damage is determined by the damage stat. Its uses is to stagger things mostly

pull out flamer > quick m1 to stagger and give space > m2

[zinc talon]

yep

it's great for pushing hallways/bridges and keeping momentum

[elfin mango]

M1s purpose is to stagger?

[zinc talon]

and it kind of bypasses cover and terrain to hit things behind/beside it

yes, and it's very good at that

anything not wearing metal armor is either assplanted or staggered

[elfin mango]

But M2 is no stagger but damage?

[zinc talon]

RMB does not stagger at all, or so little it's not worth adding into the math

the flame jet also has perfect bypass through enemies

so one LMB puff will stagger everything for the entire length of its cone radius stat

[zinc talon]

that's a great one

[vestal pine]

i thought 76% was 15 burn stacks

[zinc talon]

showstopper needs replacing

[vestal pine]

it does apply 1 stack p sure?

[zinc talon]

quickflame is really useful to me at least because it also synergizes with talents plural

[vestal pine]

just replace showstopper to blaze away and its golden

[zinc talon]

but it can tempt you into using more ammo than you should in the moment instead of a longer reload shortly after the fight

[elfin mango]

yeah i dont have any blessings i only just started playing again.. not sure how to get the blessings

[drowsy steppe]

is it

[zinc talon]

you melt down weapons with the blessing you want

and then the blessing is yours to use forever

[vestal pine]

you're gonna take forever with spamming lclick tho

[zinc talon]

some weapons, like axes and chainswords share blessings also

[elfin mango]

ive always sold them :x

[zinc talon]

so you only have to melt one for the whole pool of variants to be able to rebless

[vestal pine]

get a weapon that you wanna sacrific

[vestal pine]

oh

that sucks

[zinc talon]

crafting has changed too

[vestal pine]

[zinc talon]

you now have a second refine slot

and it can be double perk, double blessing, or 1 and 1

[elfin mango]

whats the second blessing to look for for the flamer?

[zinc talon]

those slots can be changed with whatever you want to rebless it with

[vestal pine]

blaze away with something

blqze away is tier 3 blessing

[zinc talon]

but it locks the other two you didn't pick

blaze away is good, yes

inspiring barrage is really useful too

[elfin mango]

so i need to find a flamer with that blaze on it and melt it down?

[zinc talon]

yes

[vestal pine]

yep

[zinc talon]

the specific blessing and tier 1-4

[elfin mango]

and thats just luck of the draw in the shop right?

[zinc talon]

you melt that weapon and you get the blessing to use as many times as you want

[neat drum]

so im trying to make victor saltzpyre, i know there was some sort of devoted reject pack for owning vt1 or vt2, but i cant really pinpoint the customization, can anyone point me in the right direction

[zinc talon]

the docket vendor that sells gray to blue gear hardly ever has a blessing above tier 2

I mean once in a blue moon you might see a 3

but melk, the contracts guy who has daily refresh oranges

his can go to 4 and often do

so one approach is to run your c ontracts and collect melk money just t o look once a day at the weapons he offerse

[vestal pine]

melk sells tier 2~4 blessed weapons
brunt-> hadron upgrade gives minimum tier 3 blessings noe

[zinc talon]

for their blessings and blessings alone

when you find a blessing you want, you walk ten feet from melk to hadron and melt the weapon y ou just bought in front of him

then apply it to the weapon you're keeping

only have to do it once per blessing, per weapon type

and then you get free use on subsequent weapons

[vestal pine]

and shared across the operatives

[zinc talon]

well not free

oh yeah, that too

[vestal pine]

it is however not shared between different weapon type

[zinc talon]

so for instance common pool weapons like one handed chainswords, you could find one on your zealot and melt it for your veteran to use

[vestal pine]

and staves suck since they are each different weapon types

[elfin mango]

which ones melk?

[zinc talon]

infantry/braced guns

first store on the right

[elfin mango]

so i need to pick up contracts?

[zinc talon]

white haired guy, pretentious prick accent

[vestal pine]

the guy standing in green

[zinc talon]

you check the contracts he gives you every week that cycle at 6pm sundays

[vestal pine]

was he white haired lmao

[elfin mango]

ah y see

[zinc talon]

and then run your missions with those in mind, like killing dregs with melee

anyone in the mission who does that gives the whole team credit

[zinc talon]

and failing a mission still saves your progress

completing the contracts gets you coins, and completing all of them for a character gives a sizable completion bonus too

melks weapons cycle once per day at 6pm central

aaaaand this website

[elfin mango]

oh i have 5.9k of his currency

[zinc talon]

https://accounts.atoma.cloud/login

this website will show you every item for sale for every character you have in real time

so you can keep an eye on it throughout the day and only have to login to purchase something when you see something juicy

it's a real good practice to keep a balance of about how many you have right now at a minimum

[vestal pine]

not disconnecting

[zinc talon]

cuz if you complete all your contracts and run out of coins every day until sunday is locked out for you

[vestal pine]

need a plugin

[spare talon]

It only does if you have the armory plugin

[zinc talon]

but having about 6k coins on hand lets you immediately be able to buy like, three immediately

if the gods smile upon you

[vestal pine]

https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/armoury-exchange/hcjihmkcnjkfkaeebhnpjcnnibpoolgc

[obtuse stirrup]

I recommend being discerning about which missions to keep too, the grumpiness and scriptures one is shit

...

[frosty herald]

200 mil skulls

[vestal pine]

^get this

[obtuse stirrup]

Grinpures

Grimoires

[zinc talon]

so you don't have to watch a great item go away

[frosty herald]

Accounting for 0.2% of the atoman population

[zinc talon]

every reply yall sent is true, glad yall mentioned

[obtuse stirrup]

I missed power cycler 4

Three times

:)

[zinc talon]

agony

well prolly by the third time you were just

[frosty herald]

Theres a super duper rare 5th tier blessing

Real and true

[elfin mango]

i mean im only going to be buffing my TH and burner

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ryan-gosling-blade-runner-2049-blade-runner-darktide-when-you-find-me-gif-13647306158287826208

[zinc talon]

that's a good place to start, sure

[elfin mango]

whats hould i swap the slaughter for?

[zinc talon]

find your weapons you know you'll be using cuz you enjoy em and single those out

but, don't let something top tier slip away

like say, headtaker 4 on a chain weapon

the last thing you can do, is spend your plassteel and diamantine turning greys into orange just to see what blessings it produces

[elfin mango]

yeah idk what the top tier items/buffs are lol, ive only ever played zealot even when i used to play a while back

[zinc talon]

you go to brunt's armory and buy greys

the ones above 360 you take to hadron and consecrate to orange

the base stat of the item helps determine the range of blessings it can get

so the higher the stat the less chance you'll get a 2 or 3

[spare talon]

Thrust is mandatory on thammers

[elfin mango]

ah ok

[zinc talon]

here's a great place to ask

[spare talon]

At t4, it is 20% power at each stack, resulting in a max of 60% more power for just holding it a bit longer

[elfin mango]

so look out for a hammer with thrust 4

[spare talon]

Which is what results in the Big Bonk™️

[zinc talon]

we hardly ever get people pulling a superiority complex or get on a high horse cuz someone doesn't know how a weapon mechanic actually works

and a lot of the tooltips are gaslighting lies

[elfin mango]

im pretty confident with the zealots TH, all the hours of gameplay ive only ever used it

[obtuse stirrup]

I got it in the end by consecrating

And then I realised there is no practical difference between PC3 and 4 for PS6 lmao

[zinc talon]

and if anyone gets on a high horse I'll pull their legs outta sokkit n we'll all walk with em as they crawl to the closest apotheJerry

[obtuse stirrup]

Do give the others a go too at some point!

[zinc talon]

game's hard enough without edgelord gatekeepers

[obtuse stirrup]

Imo the hammer is a handicap tbh

[elfin mango]

is the wrath worth getting?

[zinc talon]

my favorite of the three by far is the crusher, but it's a much different animal than the two hammers even though it's largely in the same weapon category

[obtuse stirrup]

You're training in the mega gravity chamber or whatever that DBZ thing is lol

[spare talon]

But it's easier for them to hear me explain how the hidden stuff works from up here

[obtuse stirrup]

Imo the third thunderhammer is the evis XV

[frosty herald]

Crusher is proper fun

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/10foot-pole-high-horse-arrogant-gif-10461828

[drowsy steppe]

real

[zinc talon]

that made me legit snort cole

[obtuse stirrup]

Looking at it in terms of what the weapons actually do

The Crusher is its own animal

[zinc talon]

yep

have you tried the newer one? the ironhelm?

or just stuck to the crucis mostly

[elfin mango]

me?

[drowsy steppe]

I still laugh when people say crucis is better

[obtuse stirrup]

If you ever wanna use a XIIIg, Wrath is essential

[frosty herald]

Pickaxe is gonna be hella fun

[spare talon]

Hearing people say it's a hard CC tool makes me cringe

[obtuse stirrup]

I prefer the IV which doesn't use it though

[frosty herald]

Back in my day yada yada

[drowsy steppe]

yes yamato

[obtuse stirrup]

The crusher is much more killy than a hammer

[drowsy steppe]

you were riht

[frosty herald]

Ironhelm is alot more fun to use

[umbral kindle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/560386382170947594/1247529228602445937/dwarftwerkfocus.gif

[drowsy steppe]

right

[obtuse stirrup]

Hammer is just barely killy enough to manage imo, it's the least killy weapon a Zealot has

Buuuuuut funni boss smash

[spare talon]

Who knew turning someone's head concave with a giant electric charged mace would actually hurt??

[obtuse stirrup]

And it does work

[drowsy steppe]

which is funny because

a lot of other zealot melees does strikedown damae on bosses

that is equal to what the thammer does

[obtuse stirrup]

Evis XV tears a hole into them pretty good

[zinc talon]

yeah to answer the wrath question @elfin mango wrath is a great 1h chainsword blessing

and the chainsword is a lot of fun to use, very nimble

[obtuse stirrup]

Again for XIIIg specifically

[frosty herald]

Crucis does alot of special damage

[obtuse stirrup]

IV doesn't use it as well

[zinc talon]

they've also changed how sawing works to make it more survivable I guess

[frosty herald]

But ironhelm is just all round better at hordeclear whilst still doing good special damage

[zinc talon]

sure, you can make a case for both chainswords about wrath being a top or second tier choice for 1hers

the new one, the xig, also has 4 light and 3 heavy attacks in its combos

and weaving in and out of light/heavy swings to achieve single target or cleave attack combos is very well done

[drowsy steppe]

this is always the point that is bring up in defense of crucis

the breakpoint changes is minimal

[zinc talon]

I think the xig even has an extra 'hidden' attack swing you use after end-combo attacks

that might be one of the chainaxes tho

if you want to try a change of pace you can't go wrong with the new mark 15 eviscerator

it's extremely plug and play for new users

light attacks are horizontal, heavy attacks are vertical

it does great damage and cleaves like crazy

[frosty herald]

Also a longer recovery time after the special which can get you smacked

[zinc talon]

very high survivability combat style

[vestal pine]

always thrust

unless you meme

[zinc talon]

these guys are very likely right

but slaughterer power on kill or power on hit, is hard to beat in its own right when you've gotten comfortable

but yes the crucis is a boss-delete huge damage numbers weapon

thrust makes that possible

ironhelm doesn't have that same kinda exponential power up ability, when you activate that hammer it will cleave multiple targets instead of bonking the very first thing you impact

the ironhelm also remembers where you are in your combo chain

and doesn't reset your attacks to swing 1

which WHY THE FUCK CAN OTHER WEAPONS NOT DO THAT

so for instance, you can power up for a cleave fighting a horde or power up the overhead nuke for a single target hit

[frosty herald]

Sorry broskie but the ironhelm is simoly more goated

[zinc talon]

just by swinging until that's the next attack, and activating then

[frosty herald]

Active push delay heavy

[obtuse stirrup]

The ironhelm's Bigg Bonq is like 90% of a Crucis right?

[zinc talon]

chain weapons would be an entire new world of fun with combo saving

[frosty herald]

75%

[zinc talon]

oh so it'll still leet delete

[vestal pine]

imho crusis = headtaker since it cant have a easy way to kill hordes

with ironhelm just funny special heavy onto a horde

[zinc talon]

yeah I was just speculating, I haven't used an ironhelm in a min or two

if my crusher could combo save and not snare when it activates I would transcend to actual demi-godhood

[marsh hill]

would yall buy?

[frosty herald]

Imagine they release a new thammer mark

[zinc talon]

yes

[obtuse stirrup]

They put the combo saving onto PS6

Worst thing they ever did to it lmao

[frosty herald]

Which has crusher's old aoe explosion

[zinc talon]

always buy 3 80s gear

always buy 4 80s gear

[marsh hill]

aint seen any of those

[zinc talon]

the meta could change or the weapon could be tweaked

[marsh hill]

ez purchase

[zinc talon]

plus pretty numbers are more important than higher numbers

[marsh hill]

XD

[frosty herald]

Tier 4 groaner damage tier 4 unarmored savage sweep smackdown

[vestal pine]

did

something happene?

[frosty herald]

Crusher aoe was nerfed

Cause it was very silly

[vestal pine]

what did it do funny thammer damage in AoE?

[frosty herald]

Stunlocking entire hordes

[frosty herald]

Die

[zinc talon]

heh before bromentum that's all it could do

er not that, that's shield

the trauma/hammer blessing revamp

[vestal pine]

its still ass

but i do wanna make

[zinc talon]

my most used weapon by far

[vestal pine]

a crusis with

[zinc talon]

you're only ever 3 swings away from killing anything in front of you

but it has to be before the enemy gets back up off its ass from your initial big hit

so the whole game becomes, what combo do I use right now to kill this thing based on whatever is the situation

sleeping on the push attack is the biggest pitfall to thinking the weapon sucks

it's by far the hardest hitting swing it has

anwyay

[vestal pine]

the thammer?

[zinc talon]

the crusher

[vestal pine]

crusher PA is currently the most spammable high damage

[zinc talon]

which is why penetration is the dump stat

and you need a high defense

[vestal pine]

its fine tbh

[zinc talon]

you need it for the push stamina cost reduction

[vestal pine]

ye ik

just fine to run one without one tbh

[zinc talon]

sure

[vestal pine]

this is mine

[zinc talon]

but anything with armor that the penetration stat would give you 10% of 15% on or whatever

you're going to be activating anyway

and the diff between a 50 defense and an 80 defense is like a full stamina pip or more per push

[vestal pine]

...why?

[zinc talon]

why activate when fighting carapace?

wait are we still talking about the crusher

[vestal pine]

i used to never activate crusher unless

[zinc talon]

the only armor type truly affected by the penetration stat is flak, and not really by much; carapace is already at the point it's largely trivial like 5% change

and you can make up everything you 'lose' dump statting penetration with just the 25% flak perk if it's even necessary

that gives you the points to max defense, and suddenly you're able to push attack five times instead of two

with that extra leeway, you automatically work into your muscle memory using the push attack mid-combo

or as a combo resest

and not a high-opportunity-cost heavy damage attack

plus it's nimble as all hell dodging, has a great weapon reach, and was tweaked to hit weak spots much more than it used to

[vestal pine]

welp fuck

[zinc talon]

I routinely pull over 50% weak spot hit rate in jobs, and on a good day 65-70

when you pair that with a crit talent build to get 85% crit

you're weak spot crit hitting more than every other swing

and the crusher has great increases in damage step up from body/weak/crit/critweak

in my eyes the crusher is the, like, tank role zealot weapon

well it's a solid start

if you have trauma or hammerblow 4 you can leave t he crit damage if you run a crit talent setup

and change infested

[vestal pine]

crit damage still suckish

oh well

[zinc talon]

yeah but, the weapon's natural weak spot hit rate

half of your crits are weak spot crit hits

and that damage step up is bigly yuge

also it's a by-attack thing too

heavy 1 has huge increases, light 1 or 4 not so much

light 2, does

[vestal pine]

h1 crit is really fun

[zinc talon]

oh it's free therapy lol

[obtuse stirrup]

Still change that crit damage perk though lmao

[zinc talon]

to weak spot damage

[vestal pine]

infested sucks ass

[zinc talon]

yeah I already oneshot dogs no issue, with more than one attack

and if you're hitting bursters with your crusher

you've got bigger problems than the weapon perks

[obtuse stirrup]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/274/446/cb5.gif

[zinc talon]

heh my current crusher is 5% crit 10% weakspot I think

(I run max crushcrit cooldown talents with both movement speeds and holy relic/corruption aura)

[random adder]

what ?

[obtuse stirrup]

I think mine is unyielding carapace

[vestal pine]

tbh its not the worst thing

[obtuse stirrup]

Ogryn clobber

[vestal pine]

ok its like

0.3 stamina per pa

[zinc talon]

huh, half a pip, I thought it was more

[vestal pine]

anyway current one isnt bad

[zinc talon]

nope

[vestal pine]

also i rate hammerblow > trauma

[zinc talon]

I settled on trauma because hammerblow used to anyway reset if you missed a swing

trauma will stack per target hit, it just doesn't give the first stack until you hit either same target second time, or second target same swing

then it increases per thing hit

and that half a second really doesn't sound significantr

[obtuse stirrup]

Crusher is a perks weapon anyway

Blessings are all marginal

[zinc talon]

but in the fight it stretches that refresh to 2 more swings and 2 or 3 steps forwar4d

yep

sad state of affairs

[obtuse stirrup]

Easier to build one though

It's the Braced autogun of melees

[vestal pine]

now its just headtaker impact version

[zinc talon]

but, it and any other weapon like it can be used to game hadron to guarantee blessings

[vestal pine]

well except skullcrusher

[zinc talon]

if you take a crusher at blue, and bless it with a tier four blessing you DONT want

that removes that blessing from the potential pool when it goes blue to orange

[vestal pine]

and it gives me a tier 3 blessing

[zinc talon]

so now you're only looking at 3 blessings

[vestal pine]

very fun hadron

[obtuse stirrup]

I still question the maths of that

[zinc talon]

plus because it's a tier 4 blessing, that affects the range of blessings at orange cuz of the higher item stat overall

[obtuse stirrup]

Unless you are strictly farming blessings

[vestal pine]

if you're famring blessings at least it can net you the one that you didnt have

[zinc talon]

so perfect world, you put thunderstrike 4 on the crusher at blue, get skullcrusher or trauma or hammerblow 4 at orange

then rebless thunderstrike to what you didn't get

you've just cemented two blessing slots for one refine

[vestal pine]

idk how to feel about thunderstrike

feels like its kinda sucks compared to other impact rn

[zinc talon]

I have no problem with it at all, it's just the tooltip doesn't explain

thunderstrike and skullcrusher only apply when the enemy is in the stagger animation

[vestal pine]

anyways its good

[zinc talon]

as soon as the enemy finds their feet again you have to re stagger to get the blessings to add damage

yeah that one's great

[vestal pine]

not the best but its been through me for 1k hours

and probably another 500

[zinc talon]

thunderstrike is really handy cuz anything the blast aoe even touches receives stacks of SC/TS

[vestal pine]

yeah i'd agree about it

[zinc talon]

and usually twice, not once, so max stacks

so you walk in and bonk some poor idiot in the middle of the room, and suddenly the whole room is taking double damage for the whole team

[vestal pine]

the blast AoE and the main hit counts as twice for the main target

[zinc talon]

but I get that's situational

[vestal pine]

so the guy you bonked IS

+80% damage when staggered

[zinc talon]

and since the aoe size change t hat's been really reduced in handiness

the paul still can get away with it but only heroes and maniacs bring those

[vestal pine]

i like hammerblow since its just currently

[zinc talon]

yes, for the time he is rolling around on the ground getting back up. when that ends, they have to be staggered again to get the 80%

[frozen zephyr]

Whats the best perks for thunderhammer?

[zinc talon]

shock n awe

https://tenor.com/view/sauron-gif-26598008

[frozen zephyr]

Wait that real perk name?

[zinc talon]

jokes aside, probably thrust

yes

reduces enemy mass per target hit in a cleave

so enemies hit at the end of a cleave take a ton more impact

instead of a ton less

it's prolly more an ironhelm thing than crucis

[frozen zephyr]

What about those one-shotting bosses? you need proper set-up for it right?

[zinc talon]

that's the crucis, with thrust

[vestal pine]

thrust with whatever

[zinc talon]

thrust increases your damage by like 60% if you fully charge a heavy attack

[vestal pine]

thrust with headtaker for crusis

thrust with headtaker/slaughterer for ironhelm

with a fully buffed ironhelm you get +100% damage for the cleave special ehavy

[frozen zephyr]

Yeah I use Crucis mostly. So will look out for thrust and headtaker, what about the passive buffs?

[vestal pine]

unyielding with whatever

i use carapace/unyielding

[zinc talon]

dog packs might be my favorite enemy encounter

[neat drum]

3rd person mod is so good

[nimble fiber]

[spiral anvil]

Shock maul later this month

[hard nexus]

thrust and slaughterer, flak and unyielding

(unyielding can be swapped with carapace if u wanna kill crushers a little faster instead)

(i prefer unyielding though)

[frozen zephyr]

That's for Crucis also right?

[hard nexus]

why ht on crucius?

[hard nexus]

yah

i run both hammers, they both can run the same blessings and perks

both r fun

but i’ve been having a lot of fun returning back to crucius

[vestal pine]

no real easy way to slam a kill

its fine

[hard nexus]

wdym

i guess it takes an extra hit or two into a horde to get full slaughterer stacks

but the extra power overall from slaughterer is probably better

[vestal pine]

irtonhelm can activate slaughterer for the first hit and then get full benefit from the 2nd swing

crusis has to manually cleave through hordes, makes the slaughterer slow

[hard nexus]

huh

[vestal pine]

ironhelm has the cleaving specvial

[hard nexus]

right

[vestal pine]

jsut do that on a horde and immediate full stack

headtaker activates per enemy, so swing on a horde gives you full benefit from 2nd swing onwards

[hard nexus]

right but an extra 1-2 hits to get an extra

15% power

HT has a max of 25% power, slaughtered is 40%

[vestal pine]

headtaker also has the bonus of activating constant on boss stuff without any enemies on board

not the biggest thing but its decent

which is what crusis excelss against imho

[hard nexus]

when dealing with bosses, you’re usually 2-3 shotting them

so it’s not really helpful

[vestal pine]

oneshots are preferred from what i remember for crusis

anyhoo, ironhelm does suffer if it goes solo on bosses with slaughterer

[hard nexus]

you can’t one shot a boss anymore without absolutely perfect setup

[vestal pine]

friend with a guy who has a headtaker thrust crusis and oneshots bosses non-stop

[hard nexus]

on damnation?

[vestal pine]

yep

[hard nexus]

with stealth?

[vestal pine]

yep

[hard nexus]

yeah i don’t like stealth lol

i don’t ever run it

[vestal pine]

oh well

[hard nexus]

i run crucius with martyrdom and fury of the faithful

[vestal pine]

bonus for headtaker, it counts the charge of the fotf as a hit

so lunge to a horde and the first hit is +25%

[hard nexus]

yeah i guess

idk

the difference isn’t really major enough to warrant any change imo

it’s a mix of preference and what you wanna be better at killing

thats just all preference actually lol nvm

[vestal pine]

pretty much but

sad that crusis suffers

[hard nexus]

barely

you gain a slightly more consistent but lower power buff with HT

[vestal pine]

i meant about cleaving spoecial

[hard nexus]

ohh

yeah

i wish that the crucius could get a blessing

so a weak enemy that gets one shot (chaff mobs, shotgunners, ragers)

would like

explode into shrapnel

[vestal pine]

even then probably useful more on a ironhelm.

[hard nexus]

it probably wouldn’t be a great blessing but

it’s fun!

[hard nexus]

make it crucius exclusive

gives the crucius an alternative horde option

[vestal pine]

no blessing was a weapon exclusive

except staves

which are all different weapon classes

[hard nexus]

yeah but a girl can dream

[vestal pine]

men can dream also

[frosty herald]

i dream of sparking zero

[left iron]

No, it cant. Neither thammer gets even close to crusher oneshots. Pre-enemy oggy health buff, you needed a perfect Crucis with max headtaker and thrust, cara perk, 1 marty stack/at least 8 stacks of momentum, duellist active, maxed sustained assault, all of the melee damage nodes from the tree. Now, it needs more, but i havent done a proper breakpoint test YET and probably wont be doing one, i cant be arsed to play more Dorktide right now

Unyielding + flak/elites is the way

[obtuse stirrup]

Tbh hammers should oneshot crushers and it's silly that they don't

[hard nexus]

with martyrdom i can one shot even without +carapace

[hard nexus]

crucius should

ironhelm shouldn’t

[hard nexus]

i don’t remember exactly how i meet the breakpoint but it’s almost full stacks of martyrdom and i think duelist

[left iron]

Marty max stacks, with this thammer. Not even close. Cara isnt enough to push it over either. A crit DOES kill, but its unreliable

[hard nexus]

idk how i meet the breakpoint but ive def done it before

[left iron]

Crit

[hard nexus]

norp

[vestal pine]

i swear i oneshot one before

without charge

[left iron]

Then its been damaged before you swung at it

[vestal pine]

i use HP mod i know what im doing

can you try it with ironhelm

[left iron]

Ironhelm does roughly 25% less damage

[vestal pine]

but yeah most likely it had a scratch

idk why it feels like it has better carapace damage

[ember yew]

try to get max stacks headtaker and assault

[vestal pine]

oh wait you havent proc'd desparation

[ember yew]

will work probably, but that means it's possible only in active fight

[vestal pine]

desparation and susass/headtaker would give it nearly....+70% damage on top of that

[left iron]

That wasnt the point of this specific test though. It was to show marty alone cannot push it above the threshold for oneshot

[vestal pine]

65%

my bad

sir with all due respect you still havent used desparation

[left iron]

Again, that is not the point of this test

[vestal pine]

you used dualist

[left iron]

Yes, because it was mentioned

[vestal pine]

great

anyway i remember oneshotting a crusher so im still using one

[vestal pine]

idk about this cause i remember it being a tight call on my ironhelm with carapace 25%

[left iron]

Here be ironhelm with the same test, as requested. Thammer used

Crucis, in this case, dealt 1.195 times more damage than the ironhelm

[frosty herald]

in short dont try to fish for oneshots on crushers