zealot-class

[hushed knoll]

That is @south folio not me

[junior vortex]

I do not want a thought out story I like having own character stories.

I mean it's your character so you should have your own story.

And to be honest this isn't a rpg so the story isn't going to be that deep.

[south folio]

if I am a filthy beast, then you are a cockroach

[left iron]

You are both filthy beasts

[junior vortex]

What is this heresy that is being spewed.

[calm dawn]

im trying to finish this pennance, and as you can see i have some of it done but i cant really replicate how i was able to do them. what does it mean by targeted exactly?

[frosty herald]

hold f

[south folio]

fury of the faithful doesn't make this obvious at all, but it has a targeted mode

[calm dawn]

yo what

[frosty herald]

you will see an outline on an enemy and youll dash twice as much distance

[south folio]

targeting an enemy allows you to dash up to 21m instead of the typical 7m

[calm dawn]

oh damn okay cool thanks

[south folio]

this outline is EXTREMELY faint, so i personally wouldn't bother trying to spot it

basically just hold F for a moment, have your cursor directly over them, and you've probably locked onto them

[frosty herald]

i think the edges of your screen also get an effect when you target chastice

[calm dawn]

noted thanks guys

[north sedge]

You also can just point your reticle at something and hit f, don't need to hold, holding just shows targeting

[frank night]

or you can just wildcard it and occasionally enjoy the ride of charging three times as long to a special you didnt see

[south folio]

guh https://streamable.com/h0rft1

[frosty herald]

im still confused as to how you made this happen

maybe you were punished by fatshark for walking on air

[left iron]

Skill issue

[south folio]

my cursor was off to the left of the stalker that i intended to chastise

and there happened to be another good candidate running by at that perfect moment for my chastise to lock onto

[left iron]

Did you consider not chastising off the bridge?

I know, revolutionary idea

[stable cypress]

What if theres heresy down there

[south folio]

i'll take you down there next time

[left iron]

Sure you will

[frank night]

as you can see here the goose is distracted by an errant piece of seed

leading to his death

he also has josho's ability to fkn quickdraw out some gobbledegook before his demise

this is before the fall kills him

[south folio]

you must admit that i had the quick reflexes to open my chat

[south folio]

no.

[frank night]

this suggests you also had an earlier incident

[south folio]

nah

i was so repulsed by the combined presence of josho and mankar that i had to verbalize it in chat

that's what it was

[frank night]

Mankar the polite

Mankar the helpful

[obtuse stirrup]

keysmash gooooooooasjdnfklds;af;lkadsjflka

[south folio]

i am being attacked

[frank night]

https://tenor.com/view/goose-geese-goosey-canada-goose-gif-25374618

[south folio]

as expected from somebody who only knows to look at the surface

[frosty herald]

Cant wait for the gang to get together when the new weapons release

[vocal pulsar]

@south folio dislike you

[south folio]

likewise

[frosty herald]

Enemies to lovers arc when?

[hushed knoll]

I am a cheese and sauce consuming beast

[hushed knoll]

OMG MANKAR HIIII

[left iron]

[hushed knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-now-kiss-finn-gif-5658105

[hushed knoll]

Hi ice owo

[left iron]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-leave-pepe-frog-bye-upset-im-out-gif-17020829

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/narcan-overdose-paramedics-heroine-nosferatu-gif-27664810

[hushed knoll]

WTF why are you angrily walking away

[dense field]

You boosted his confidence to do his best today

[hushed knoll]

Who

[hushed knoll]

Wow Toy Story 5 looks great

[hushed knoll]

How dare you

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/colin-robinson-vampire-energy-what-gif-21090270

[hushed knoll]

Dough I am literally going to make you float on a pink flamingo raft in a pool of kombucha

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/nodding-wet-hot-american-summer-gif-20489538

[shut kiln]

where is the talent to complete the penance nothing buy the abyss

i cant see it

[hushed knoll]

Bradley Cooper is so hot

[north sedge]

That's nice, this isn't Bradley cooper and we've been over this

[hushed knoll]

Oh

Who is it

I forgot

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/livbensondaily-olivia-olivia-benson-elliot-elliot-stabler-gif-21057852

[hushed knoll]

Oh

Staebler

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/bradley-cooper-gif-19654189

That's Bradley cooper in the same movie

[hushed knoll]

That’s not what Bradley cooper looks like in American sniper

[north sedge]

No they look nothing alike

No shit it's a different movie

[hushed knoll]

Wait Bradley cooper is in the summer camp one

?

[north sedge]

Yes

[north sedge]

It is his very first movie

[shut kiln]

my god in spanih has one name in the talent tree and different name in penance menu

thanks mate

[south folio]

ah damn that sucks

[maiden path]

https://tenor.com/view/kazuma-kiryu-kiryu-yakuza-yakuza3-gif-21934278

[frosty herald]

forgot lil bros name

but hes in infinite wealth

[shut kiln]

dont get what i have to do to complete that pennance

is simply heal me with that talent activated?

[south folio]

your healing will have to come from that talent

e.g., take fatal damage to proc it, and then whack enemies to regenerate hp

[shut kiln]

so... i have to loose all armour and health

[south folio]

do enough damage during that period, and you should get it

yup

[shut kiln]

which weapon is better? i read the hammer

im using the eviscerator

[south folio]

that works though you could also melee a horde with something that's decent or better against them and whatnot

[shut kiln]

understood

[frosty herald]

its very easy to get since overkill damage counts towards the heal

[visual blade]

wait this isn't even a bad knife, no?

\

[sand helm]

well mobility for knifes are quite important

To dodge

[visual blade]

is it, though? you get dodges anyway

and it's not something like going from 4 to 3

or 3 to 2

[sand helm]

well from 4 to 6 is a difference

Anyways I'm not a knife expert so...

[visual blade]

don't think you can reach 6

this is at 80% damage

and you only get to 132 instead of the 140

[sand helm]

I'm not sure about the dodge limit,if it's 5 or 6

[visual blade]

because sure if the hard limit was 6 it'd be a different story, but you're never reaching the max value shown

because of the way the system works

[sonic totem]

Max dodge is always five. 6 if you're running the extra dodge talent on psyker

But you don't run max mobility for the dodges. You run it for speed

🔪

[sand helm]

You're right

[sand helm]

lmao

One question

Which is the difference between both hammers?

[sonic totem]

Ironhelm is less damage overall, more complicated combo, but can cleave through non-elite/non-special enemies.

[south folio]

unfortunately you'll need 84% mobility to get 6 dodges on knife

[sonic totem]

Crucis can't cleave at all but more DAMAGE

[south folio]

the scaling is rather unusual for the knife
the cutoff for 5 dodges is at like 37% or something instead of the usual 50%

[sand helm]

ohh I understand

I wanna destroy elite's ass

with the hammer

[uncut pivot]

holy fuck zealot throwing knives are fun

[sand helm]

hell yeah

[uncut pivot]

i dunno how its drop off works though

took 2 sniper shots trying to snipe one with a knife lmao

friends asked what I was doing just staring at the sniper for like 20 seconds

and burning through like 10 knives

[frosty herald]

i find it funny that when i dodge back to back sometimes i just slightly nudge into the other direction

those minus stacks really adding up

[maiden path]

talking about some 'defend'

[plucky sparrow]

Ineffective Dodging getting to the point where you just tilt your head in the direction of the dodge

[maiden path]

bitch ill die before i step foot on that hellhole

actual hell tornados of fire

[frosty herald]

beb

wanna shoot the shit

[maiden path]

yes...

ive got ntohing 2 do for 7 hours

[visual blade]

hitmass dependent. nurgle blessing or fent abusing addicts stop ironhelm

[sand helm]

lmao fent one

[sonic totem]

Ah right

[frosty herald]

My pookie bear beb constantly dying to tanks

[vast basin]

Are you sure? Because ironhelm will stop on snipers (hitmass of 2) but will cleavr through bruisers (hitmass of 3.5)

[visual blade]

might be an exception for specials and elites because i've had the hammer stop on high scab (?) bruisers

after hitting like 2 poxwalkers, sure, but nonetheless

[vast basin]

Well I think it will just stop when it runs out of cleave or hits an elite/specialist

So not totally inaccurate to say hitmass dependant

[clear knot]

https://tenor.com/view/chipi-chipi-chapa-chapa-cat-rainbow-cat-mizahcimtr1-gif-12949221109051297325

[jagged aspen]

what is power?

[south folio]

damage, cleave, and stagger

+20% power = +20% damage, +20% cleave, and +20% stagger

in addition, the bonuses given by power are multiplicative with +damage/cleave/stagger

so if you have a +20% damage bonus and a +20% power bonus, you will deal 1.2 * 1.2 = 1.44x damage

[frosty herald]

@maiden path bitch

Stealing my hellpod smh

[vocal pulsar]

Get this calculus arithmetic stem shit off my fucking screen

[south folio]

grrrrrrrrrrrrr rawrrrrr!!!

[quasi marsh]

the cutoff for knife is at 16%*

its almost impossible not to have 5 dodges

[stable cypress]

I hope the crafting rework makes it so you have to roll near 80 mobility to get max dodges

[fossil crag]

i hope they just give us red weapons

[quasi marsh]

here's proof of the cutoff if anyone cares

[stable cypress]

real talk if/when red weapons come it should be with new difficulty

[frosty herald]

@maiden path get heavy armor lil bro

[fossil crag]

why you gotta make him slow and stil lget fked :/

get light, be fast but you still get fked XD

[frosty herald]

i can actualy tank hits

beb folds when he sees a tank

[fossil crag]

u guys have space?

[south folio]

there are already 5 difficulties, along with the auric board, so we have 7 difficulty lines across which players are split as well as player tendencies to select for low/normal/hi-int or whatever modifiers that they prefer

[frosty herald]

im having dinner atm

[south folio]

so it's just going to be bloat to add another difficulty

[ember yew]

quick play rewards buffs when

[south folio]

in the best case, a sixth difficulty is +1 difficulty if fatshark decides to shift auric to damnation + 6th difficulty
in the worse implementation, a sixth difficulty is +2 difficulties because it'll be +1 to the normal board and +1 to the auric board

[stable cypress]

yeah its also kinda why they shouldn't add red weapons unless they aren't gonna go past 80% on stats

[south folio]

they'll have to bite the bullet and do some nerfs

[ember yew]

isnt it too late

[south folio]

nah

and it's a more preferable solution than adding a sixth difficulty

a crafting rework is going to entail changes to the numerical aspects of weapons anyways so they're biting that part of the bullet

[jagged aspen]

wow, thats busted

[south folio]

the other part of the bullet is bringing the numbers down

[quasi marsh]

although its basically the same thing

i feel like ppl are gonna be mad

if they buff enemies and then nerf weapons and then say "you gotta raise the stats to 100 to get back to where you were before"

[stable cypress]

they're always gonna be mad

[quasi marsh]

it really ruins the illusion of the gear treadmill

[ember yew]

well they are doing nerfs in small steps like Survivalist
Momentum (lolwtf)

next is either martyrdom or crit cdr

[south folio]

i'd throw in some enemy nerfs as well since they're also deserving of some nerfs

[ember yew]

probably crit cdr

[quasi marsh]

yeah but i think this is uniquely contrived

like it really exposes just how silly gear treadmill systems are at their core

[south folio]

that's just how progression systems be

[quasi marsh]

yeah but most people dont really think of it like that

they think "im getting stronger!!!"

even if the enemies are just getting stronger too right beside you

[ember yew]

FS: Hold my beer

[south folio]

i'm somewhat hedging on a revised crafting system as "resetting" things in people's head with regards to the crafting system

[maiden path]

they are fucking tanks

[frosty herald]

we all know how cataclysm went

[maiden path]

THEY RAGDOLL ME

[quasi marsh]

well, maybe

[south folio]

at least here, you can choose the difficulty level so it's not to the degree of auto-scaling that most games otherwise haev

[frosty herald]

skill issue

[ember yew]

still better than mists of pandaria

[maiden path]

i go aoooough

[ember yew]

[maiden path]

the aiiir

oough

ragdolled

[quasi marsh]

its just dangerously close to ruining the "illusion" i think

[frosty herald]

cataclysm is comparable to maelstrom

[quasi marsh]

like if you bring up wow

[south folio]

that's true

mmm

[quasi marsh]

imagine if wow did expansions where they just de-level you 10 levels and then say "ok level back up and the fight the new enemies at thes ame level"

in reality

its actually the same thing

as just levelling up 10 levels and fighting new enemies 10 levels higher

but people would feel like they're running in place

(even if they were doing that in the old system all the same)

[ember yew]

they could cut down the # of difficulties a bit
1-3(Malice)-5(Damnation)-Auric-MS

so 5 instead of 7

too much spread

[south folio]

though that cuts down on some of the "resolution" of the difficulty that people might need
(and one of my counter-argument against "nerfs bad" arguments is that players have the option to step up/down in difficulties in fairly reasonable resolutions, so pwetty pwease kweep them so i can argue better)

it'll also be on fatshark's front to fight
since they've been evidently collecting statistics that they can use to form an argument about why nerfs were needed

[frosty herald]

fatshark does alot of data gathering

[south folio]

since part of the outrage problem is that fatshark offers literally zero explanation and just drops balance changes

[quasi marsh]

well

[frosty herald]

example john darktide

[quasi marsh]

im definitely in agreement that nerfs would be good

[south folio]

ye

[quasi marsh]

but i think the average person feels otherwise

[south folio]

i get that it would be the optics aspect that we do have to consider

[quasi marsh]

they like crushers being paper

[south folio]

i just also really do not want to see any elite having any hp that is nearing the 5 digit level

[quasi marsh]

and not having to think about ammo or melee

lol

[ocean geode]

Is there a way to complete this shit faster?

[quasi marsh]

i was actually spitballing new enemies in vet chat earlier

my idea was plaguebearer infested type that's unstaggerable with a shitton of hp

[south folio]

guh

[frosty herald]

you could tweak enemy ai to make them even smarter

[quasi marsh]

lmao

[ember yew]

you can try to stay in the nurgle beast shet

im not sure if it will work tho

[south folio]

i do want something that's inbetween an elite and a boss

[quasi marsh]

like in the 7k range

[ember yew]

oh w8 its allies only

so depends on your allies

[minor sage]

pick up grim

LOL

[ember yew]

[quasi marsh]

but you can blow off their limbs to remove their "oneshot" overhead-type attack to make them less deadly so they're not just "mauler but demon"

idk i wanna see more unique enemy mechanics if we can

rotfly boss whenn

flying enemies

[stable cypress]

find pox gas mod and chill in the stinky vape clouds as much as possible

[south folio]

yeah they're pretty simple so far

bulwark is the egregious example of this to me

[quasi marsh]

really? i find mauler and crusher to be really the worst

[stable cypress]

or kill two snipers with one rock and farm grims ig

[south folio]

the "wait for enemy to do thing except that he can get interrupted by other enemy firing into his back and also takes an indeterminate amount of time to swing"

it's just the design aspect that I hate

[quasi marsh]

crusher and mauler is literally just "dont talk to me or my son ever again" pair

they do the exact same thing

but one is smaller

[south folio]

cuz you have this very distinct shield that you otherwise can't really interact with

[quasi marsh]

ah

[stable cypress]

I think we should get even smaller variants

nugrling in heavy armor

[south folio]

yeah maulers/crushers could use some distinction

i think i'm somewhat fine with it since flak body i guess

but their moveset really is just 1-to-1

[ocean geode]

Damn that's ingenious, now I would hope my teammates wouldn't eat me alive for picking up heresy books

[stable cypress]

lets bring back beastmen b/c everybody loves Wargors so much

[south folio]

i've never played vt2 so i will trust you :clueless:

[quasi marsh]

someone mentioned nurgling loot gremlins before to kill for plasteel

that sounds fun

[stable cypress]

thats actually a good idea

[ocean geode]

I can only imagine the whole team becoming a loot goblins and chasing this guy while a shit ton of enemies get aggroed. Would be really funny

[south folio]

4 knife zealot team

the dream team

[stable cypress]

fairly tanky elites that put down a flag that increases enemy's health and gives them health regen within an aoe. Destroying the flag causes knockback to players which causes a lot of wipes on maps. Most importantly in chaos wastes (the roguelike mode) there's a chance on opening challenge chests that you have to fight large mobs of them

[south folio]

mmmmmmmm

[stable cypress]

beastmen were also just really janky on launch, like trash mob enemies would poke you from behind other dudes really frequently

and were packaged with paid dlc that added a new game mode that literally nobody likes (Winds of Magic)

[south folio]

so in the setting of darktide, it could be some scab lieutenant or whatever
though i'm also not sure if i want an enemy with support abilities to also be tanky

[stable cypress]

tbf its mostly the chaos waste thing thats a problem, the big mobs of them gatekeeps builds in the same way old bulwark mobs did

and was in a game with more limited ranged options on most classes, in dt they'd just get instantly blasted by plasma or w/e

[minor sage]

the changes they made to cw

made it less fun

in the end i just stopped playing

[misty nova]

Stormvermin could push the players, they should give that mechanic to Maulers

[stable cypress]

I still like cw but I eventually got sick of jank that was never fixed like patrols literally spawning on top of you

[storm crypt]

3 days until they reveal fucking nothing guys!!!

[fleet zealot]

They are going to reveal something

[quasi marsh]

omg 3 days until GSC crafting rework boltpistol and 100000 aquilas for everyone

[storm crypt]

yeah the scion set

[fleet zealot]

It’s basically a must for any game on the mainstage to at least have news

And we are nearing the “few months after penance update” that was the timeline for the itemization rework

[storm crypt]

it would be weird to be just the itemization rework so i hope it includes weapons

[quasi marsh]

i th ink that is being very optimistic

its been less than 1 month

slightly

[storm crypt]

i think it's more likely to be just an arsenal update

[fleet zealot]

How substantial it is we will see but i’m just going to see but im just ready for the next update to have non content according to someone

[storm crypt]

we are in dire need of new weapons and balancing existing weapons tbh

before the itemization rework

[fleet zealot]

New weapons and new variants are coming this year but they are not the main focus

Also, doesn’t make sense to release weapons shortly before itemization update

[storm crypt]

it does, actually

release weapon > balance weapon > release rework > balance post-rework

[minor sage]

this isn't league of legends

[fleet zealot]

Or just release weapon in a more balanced system?

[minor sage]

darktide does updates like twice a year

[storm crypt]

instead of release weapon + rework > either horrendously underpowered or overpowered and dont know whats causing it

[minor sage]

they can't possibly do that kind of update cadence

[fleet zealot]

We have playtesters

[storm crypt]

yeah which is why veteran got released with 0 keystones

[fleet zealot]

Quite good ones as well

[storm crypt]

and assail was the strongest thing in the w orld

[fleet zealot]

That was a time limitation lol

[south folio]

out of curiosity, do you happen to know what the old vet keystones originally were

because the vet playsters made it very clear that they were dogshit

[fleet zealot]

They even said that, they weren’t going to delay the update because they canceled the “original” pre release keystones for being weapon type locked

[obtuse stirrup]

Somehow worse than BLO lmao

[south folio]

the original vet keystones were supposed to be weapon-specific keystone buffs to vet's class weapons

stuff along the lines of +1 psword charge

[minor sage]

yep, they were "more damage when using sniper rifles", "more reload speed with autoguns" and "more damage with plasma guns"

or some shit lmao

[south folio]

so they were just must picks if you took certain vet weapons and didn't apply to any other weapon

[fleet zealot]

That eventually got nerfed, idk balance is a journey not a goal and broken shit is always gonna release but lol def better to just put the weapons in the better system

[storm crypt]

i was aware they specified "we thought about this"

[storm crypt]

if balance is a journey wouldn't that just agree with me saying release weapons and balance before the update...?

[fleet zealot]

If the system is anything like the talent update or penance rework, it will be a resounding boon overall

[minor sage]

tbh, assail getting gutted completely killed my desire to play psyker now

[fleet zealot]

No?

[storm crypt]

i'm saying release weapon as a "smaller update", balance its moveset and numbers as an individual weapon

[minor sage]

and i dont think balance is as important as fun-to-play in a game like ths

[storm crypt]

because if the itemization rework includes almost every blessing is being messed with

[fleet zealot]

Why, fatshark doesn’t patch that often

[minor sage]

doesnt matter how balanced your game is if nobody wants it cuz it's bad LOL

just like CW tbh

[south folio]

i also suspect that they don't want to waste their time balancing an unreleased weapon in the current system when they know that they're doing a crafting rework

[fleet zealot]

100%

[storm crypt]

why is how fast fatshark update a factor in this!!!!!!!!!!!!! we know they're slow!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[south folio]

kill mankar

[storm crypt]

that is just a players demand

of course we all wish they updated faster

[vocal pulsar]

Suspect. That's an interesting word, coming from you. Considering you are suspected of killing 3 men in the 90s.

[storm crypt]

the way i see it i think it is too early for it to be both in my opinion

[fleet zealot]

Just like league but this time a good example, you balance numbers around high level, then you balance low level around fun and vibes and frustration

[storm crypt]

either we're getting weapons

or we're getting the rework

[south folio]

the only thing that's suspect is your lack of morality and empathy for the people around you

[storm crypt]

i think it would be a surprise for it to be both

[minor sage]

i think balance is less important in a PvE coop game than it is in a PvP game to be fair

[vocal pulsar]

For the singular goose around me

---

Yes

[minor sage]

I think fun is more of a priority

[storm crypt]

and it would make sense for it to be new weapons as perfecting literally the most important thing in the game is very important

[minor sage]

like ciag, plasma and revolver being the best weapons in the game does not impact my enjoyment of the game

[south folio]

and in terms of optics, they could be afraid of a "they released X weapon but then nerfed/buffed it with the crafting rework" perspective from players

[ocean geode]

Thanks, completed it in one mission

[fleet zealot]

We are getting weapons this year and if they were to slot them in any major update it would be this one most likely. Maps, weapons, enemies, variants just aren’t the main focus yet but they slipped in tox bomber for the penance update

[storm crypt]

balance includes buffing things, you know

[minor sage]

🙂

[fleet zealot]

Yes and players are OP asf rn

[south folio]

nerfs are just discussed more often because we are in a state of high power level currently across the board

[minor sage]

I do think balance patches are good; but I think they're like low priority compared to the other systems they need to improve

[fleet zealot]

The potential gap between top end meta and mid builds is huge even if both can clear the highest difficulty

[minor sage]

in a game like darktide

[fleet zealot]

Like, nerf less if you can help it <> don’t nerf at all

You could not buff every weapon to 7PC swing psword

It simply wouldn’t be feasible

[obtuse stirrup]

Assail being OP was killing my desire to play though

[storm crypt]

that is not what i'm asking for

[north sedge]

Nerf everything buff nothing

[obtuse stirrup]

Games felt like Psyker and friends

[ocean geode]

Assail wasn't gutted, it's actually got balanced

[north sedge]

Everything should be balanced around the worst taxe i say

[obtuse stirrup]

And yeah, Assail is still really really good

[minor sage]

go up a few difficulties

[obtuse stirrup]

It just doesn't play the entire game for you with no input from you or the rest of your team

[fleet zealot]

Yea assail is still good now, even tho im a bit sad they killed it’s primary weapon use, but god damn a single assail psyker ruined everything heresy and below

[obtuse stirrup]

Grow up

[north sedge]

Assail was ludicrous

[fleet zealot]

And 2 or more ruined auric damn

Lol no dis

[obtuse stirrup]

It's still strong as hell on AM

[south folio]

he's always been biased against assail so there's no convincing dis

[fleet zealot]

Assail was a high diff issue too, even if it was not as bad as low diffs (which i said do have to be balanced around frustration factor)

[obtuse stirrup]

Now at least brain rupture and smite have reasons to exist beyond enabling psychinetic aura

[minor sage]

it's pretty mid to be fair, most people don't even take it anymore because it paths you so you can't take cd reset

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/disappointed-wet-hot-american-summer-gif-23679565

[obtuse stirrup]

I take it whenever I take DD tbh

[minor sage]

and now that they killed the animation cancel to abuse uncanny, it's very middling on histg and mael

it's basically as good as taking a brauto to those

it's fine but doesn't perform as well as most other builds

[north sedge]

Brauto, a famously mid weapon

[obtuse stirrup]

A brauto with rapidly regenerating ammo in your blitz slot

[south folio]

it certainly performs as well as most other builds

[obtuse stirrup]

Maybe it just doesn't perform so well for you because you're not using it as well as you use other stuff

There is nothing wrong with having builds you play better and builds you play worse

[minor sage]

it beats purg and rending trauma for me; and is significantly weaker than fire trauma, void and surge for me

[obtuse stirrup]

But it's not an objective defecit

[minor sage]

heh i dont think so

i'm pretty good at the game so i take my own evaluations pretty fairly

[obtuse stirrup]

Assail doesn't beat any of those because it doesn't compete with any of those

It isn't a weapon, it's a blitz

It competes with rupture and smite

[minor sage]

it absolutely does because you build around it

[south folio]

and brings up two of the stronger weapons as comparisan points

[obtuse stirrup]

You might, I dont

[south folio]

there's not much building around it to do

just go right side and call it a day

[obtuse stirrup]

I build around my staff or gun

The blitz is in service to that, not the other way around

[minor sage]

the biggest tradeoff is the cdr reset node vs assail; and 95% of the time the cdr reset always wins

[obtuse stirrup]

And assail serves my voidstrike and my guns well

[minor sage]

there's no question lmao

[obtuse stirrup]

Would probably serve purgatus too but I prefer rupture there

[north sedge]

Tbh i forget there's cdr for psyker,never run it

[south folio]

i like it with purg though my builds are always ranged + assail + ds4

[north sedge]

But what i do remember is assail so

[ripe quest]

Unlock Boltgun, buff Boltgun.
Unlock Plasma Gun
Unlock Powersword, buff Powersword.

[obtuse stirrup]

Always assail is incorrect too imo

Assail is a sometimes food.

[north sedge]

I hate smite and there's not much reason to pop heads

[steel agate]

That makes me wonder what those shards of hate taste like

My guess is pretty salty

[storm crypt]

"assail primary psykers" as far as i've noticed only use it to complement horde-chopping with empowered psionics

and the occasional shooter group of course

[obtuse stirrup]

Brain rupture works well for me with purgatus and trauma

[storm crypt]

but i would hardly say that's assail as a primary that's like saying immolation grenades are my primary because i throw it at every horde

[obtuse stirrup]

Maybe easier comparison with throwing knives and rocks lol

[storm crypt]

well. yeah

[obtuse stirrup]

Since they recharge

[storm crypt]

but throwing knives don't bounce to 3 heads

and rocks i actually dont know if they can cleave

i feel like they can with poxwalkers

[obtuse stirrup]

They can:D

You can kill 2 Mutants with 1 stone

[storm crypt]

that's awesome

[north sedge]

The very notion that assail is being compared to weapons and not blitzes kinda tells you how fucked up assail was/kinda is

[fleet zealot]

Tbf, i think psyker should get leeway for blitzs

[south folio]

banger when people pull out the blazing trauma and voidstrike comparisons

[north sedge]

Dis defeated his own point in other words

[obtuse stirrup]

Yeah, but apparently not being in that status any more = dead blitz do not take entire class

[fleet zealot]

I dont think there is anything wrong with assail being or leaning towards a primary weapon in use, it’s a space wizard ffs

But it def was OP and is healthier than it was

[storm crypt]

i think there is because it's a weapon with no statistics to roll

[obtuse stirrup]

Assail is a cantrip

[storm crypt]

it is perfectly fine in its current spot as it requires a currently running thought process to use

[obtuse stirrup]

The staves are full spells

[storm crypt]

and that is good

[steel agate]

I like tossing out assail mid melee charge so I can attack alongside my darts

[obtuse stirrup]

This is de way

[fleet zealot]

Eldritch blast when?

[left iron]

#zealot-class message

[storm crypt]

yeah that is the most "popular" method i see them used

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/eldritch-blast-warlock-dnd-jocat-gif-14569102

[storm crypt]

empowered psionics to toss some super-damage shards into hordes

[south folio]

the problem with it leaning towards a primary weapon is that it's also a fairly aim-assist weapon

[storm crypt]

you usually get a refund in charges from them so

[south folio]

10 shards currently is still too much

[fleet zealot]

Idk why it is charge based when peril exists

As a limiter already

[frosty herald]

Use scrier and marked stacks so you can be faster than a knife zealot

[storm crypt]

im gonna be real

if it didn't have charges

[south folio]

just as another way to limit it without messing with peril weapons as well

[storm crypt]

i would not play with psykers

ever

[frosty herald]

I even found out there is a movement speed cap in the game

[fleet zealot]

Just slow down the firing speed and increase peril cost

[storm crypt]

when assail was good and spammable i was so bored

[south folio]

because you don't want peril to be the only way to limit it if you also want players to also use staffs with assail

[frosty herald]

Celery stims wont work if i have all my speed buffs active

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/i-guess-memes-meme-gif-17950413

[obtuse stirrup]

DD shards are where it's at

[storm crypt]

even if you made assail shards high peril gen there is like

literally 34% reduced peril gen at the bottom of the tree and various amounts throughout it

[obtuse stirrup]

But most people find the concept of DD scawwy

[minor sage]

i mean, to be fair; this was fully invested into the extra nodes + EP

Nowadays you don't even bother with it

simply because pathing through smite gives you access to better talents

[obtuse stirrup]

Unless you actually want assail

[minor sage]

you literally ignore the blitz

[storm crypt]

i will never take brain rupture off my psyker

[obtuse stirrup]

No, you literally ignore the blitz

[minor sage]

because it's so trash that it isn't as good as LOSING psyk aura

[storm crypt]

i already play the edgemaster trauma psyker with venting shriek

[obtuse stirrup]

Most people don't have this extreme interpretation

[ocean geode]

Guys, can someone please recommend some nice martyrdom build that also utilizes stun nades?

[storm crypt]

a celerity stimm turns me into a (not as good) boss killer with rupture

[frosty herald]

If assail gave more peril my peril damage talent will have even more upkeep

[jagged aspen]

errmmm actually

[obtuse stirrup]

You are an extreme minority on this

[ripe quest]

No lunatic runs BM Thrust on a Caxe or Taxe.

[storm crypt]

this is what i use, consistently clears auric damnation with almost any weapon

5 points spare, choose whatever ability you like

[obtuse stirrup]

Remember when Thrust was broken

[frosty herald]

What will you do when i run this on power axe (in the future)

[obtuse stirrup]

Oneshotting Crushers with a random antax smash

[jagged aspen]

come in ogryn size?

[ripe quest]

Either it won't have Thrust or BM, or it'll be fine.

No inbetween

[minor sage]

@ocean geode this looks kinda bad tbh, he didn't even take +1 charge on ulti lmao. I would look at other builds instead

[fleet zealot]

Large ogryn cooling board

[fleet zealot]

What

Thats just

[storm crypt]

what are you smoking

[frosty herald]

If it has thrust ohh boy

[fleet zealot]

Normal martyrdom build

[jagged aspen]

its a fine build

[left iron]

Again, everyone. #zealot-class message

[fleet zealot]

Double charges is great for martyrdom since we dont get cdr

[storm crypt]

that is just the cookie cutter build

[obtuse stirrup]

It's a 25 point build

[south folio]

(the 5 points lurking in the background)

[storm crypt]

this would be the full build

[obtuse stirrup]

You can add to it

[storm crypt]

if you wanted crit

[ocean geode]

I built something like that based on my experience with 2 points to spare

[obtuse stirrup]

Even with CDR I would still want 2 charges

More so than without tbh

[minor sage]

the +1 charge is too good

[obtuse stirrup]

Makes it easier to not overcap

[minor sage]

you guys are seriously arguing against it?

LOL

hilarious

[south folio]

no we're pointing out that the tree only has 25 points taken

not 30

you dingus

[obtuse stirrup]

Well Via posted a 30 pointer without it

[jagged aspen]

its very good, but if you i can see why you might not run it in specific cases

[fleet zealot]

Dis fighting shadows here

[storm crypt]

bc it's the cdr build

[obtuse stirrup]

I wouldn't recommend taking Chastise without double charges

[storm crypt]

5 points lets you do a lot with zealot tree

[minor sage]

he did post a 30 without it LOL

[south folio]

tbf i'd take 2 charges even with cdr

[storm crypt]

it's entirely preference at thatp oint

[south folio]

yeah and I'm responding to you "you guys" statement

[ocean geode]

Second wind is too good to pass up imo, but I'm not sure if I really need sustained assault

[minor sage]

thank you for agreeing

lmfao

[ocean geode]

Also what weapon choices are for marty zealot?

[south folio]

these are not the gotchas that you think they are

[ocean geode]

I really struggle with that decision

[obtuse stirrup]

I only disagree with your assail take tbh Dis

I just strongly disagree with it lol

[storm crypt]

i really like second wind i just use it on non-crit builds

[fleet zealot]

Anything consistent and not needing your ability. Crusher, chain axe, caxe

[south folio]

yeah? I've always made my stance on crit cdr 2 charges clear and I'm almost certain that i've been part of a similar discussion with you involved before

[stone fern]

anything you like

[south folio]

so this should be no surprise

[stone fern]

i like crusher and hammer

[minor sage]

let's agree to diagree then. i think assail by itself is in a fine state; i think the buffer nodes + EP are just too weak

[fleet zealot]

Martyrdom loves weapons that can stat check

[south folio]

it is not fine
it deserves to be nerfed

[fleet zealot]

I don’t like martyr hammer, hammer loves abilities too much

[storm crypt]

the only problem i have with it is having to save a point somewhere which sucks

[minor sage]

the smite/bb/assail buffer are kinda bad, and EP is kinda worthless as well

[storm crypt]

it would probably be duellist

[stone fern]

i just do hammer marty for tankiness

[safe glade]

worth improving?

[fleet zealot]

Enough witch talk in my zealot chat

Instead

Rate my new pfp

[south folio]

which are the weak buffer nodes?

[fleet zealot]

Yee haw

[storm crypt]

you lose a dodge count from that mobility stat

if you're desperate, it's serviceable

[stone fern]

distane prolly isnt as good as sustained assault

[storm crypt]

if you think it's god roll, no

[safe glade]

not desperate 😛

[minor sage]

crit evis15 is pretty good weapon with martyr due to the stat checks

[safe glade]

so guuess im gonna brickk it

[jagged aspen]

i know everything i need to know about you 💯 /10

[minor sage]

you can basically just stat check into any type of enemy

and win

[ocean geode]

I will take than the boring crit revolver, but for melee I want to try something really good. I have different build for crusher that's more synergizes with said crusher, and I want to have something else on this build

[frosty herald]

If your lucky with the perk and blessing

[south folio]

the only "bad" buffer node I can see is just the crit aura and even that is whatevs since that's fine for the standards of an aura

and well, mind in motion

[ocean geode]

Hm, in DT I'm least experienced with zealot, but doesn't it better to build around evis by taking Blazing Piety?

[fleet zealot]

Blazing is only good for crit consistency on evi

It is not good for damage since it doesnt have high finesse

[storm crypt]

i've done knife, combat axe, combat sword, heavy sword, thunder hammer martyrdom
from my experiences, knife is just ok. it loses out on the infinity crit from running piety, but it's knife, it'll be good but it's hard to use the attack speed on martyrdom with it, it's pretty fast
combat axe is very strong with the increased attack speed, and i can three? shot crushers without carapace modifier
combat sword is really, really fun and a horde chopper, but you crumple against any armor
heavy sword is a sort of similar case as combat sword, just a horde chopper
thunder hammer is thunder hammer you're just giving it +44% damage +24% attack speed

[fleet zealot]

Knife gets great dps mileage out of blazing for example

[storm crypt]

oh i forgot about eviscerators

[fleet zealot]

Chaxe is my favorite weapon and favorite martyrdom weapon

Mk4 absolutely stat checks with my build

I can run up and beat down mauler packs

[storm crypt]

for mk15 it's really good because it's a light spam weapon, you increase your horde capabilities a ton
for mk4? whatever the other is, it's like

[jagged aspen]

really?

show my ive been wanting to chaxe for a while

[storm crypt]

not a good use of the attack speed? you push attack > light spam for hordes, so the attack speed isn't really used

it gets limited by stamina regen

but i think it's good

[fleet zealot]

In bed but tldr mk4 chaxe just take slaught + headtaker, punishment talent . Use heavies and push attacks for groups, lights for single target you can’t/don’t need to stagger and rev’d heavies for the combination stagger and single target

Fully stacked punishment lets mk4 chaxe stagger groups of ragers and a bit more power boosts from anywhere let it do the same to mauler packs

[storm crypt]

im gonna cry if the only weapons zealot gets are chain weapons

i hate the chain gimmick

[placid fiber]

sigh I love this guy too much for my own good lol

[kindred ivy]

Folks, I'm torn, how do I juice this stabber?

[ocean geode]

I see, I think i want to finnaly try to play with combat axe, I literally in 600 hours didn't play with regular axes on any of my characters

What axe ya all can recommend? And what blessings/perks?

[storm crypt]

brutal momentum is the only must-have

Rashad has finesse as a stat, Antax has Cleave Targets

[frosty herald]

Swap mercy killer for uncanny and infested for sumt else

[storm crypt]

but most people just go with Rashad

Antax's Cleave Targets is basically for the push attack and push attack alone

[jagged aspen]

ta!

[storm crypt]

which is strong! just the Rashad wrecks single targets harder

kind of wish they would change the antax's attack type profile to relentless instead of strike down

make it the cleaving axe unlike rashad

[ocean geode]

So rashad with Bromentum and Headtake should go well, right?

[storm crypt]

si

[ocean geode]

Flak and what else to take?

[storm crypt]

carapace

[ocean geode]

Right, thanks, gonna try in psykarium this stuff

But, uhh, is there any way to trigger martyr in psykarium? I have some mods for it but I really didn't use them much

[storm crypt]

creature spawner mod i guess

[fleet zealot]

i'm getting out of my bed i'm doing just fine

gotta gotta get down because I want it all

it was only a kiss how did it end up like this (it was only a kiss)

[obtuse stirrup]

Isn't it Flak unarmoured?

Or is it easier for Zealot to get bruiser BPs

[fleet zealot]

has to use mods

[fleet zealot]

unamored is for vets

[fleet zealot]

decimator for a bit more risk but higher ceiling, and decap for max risk but also max reward

[ocean geode]

Hm, actually decimator might be better here, I'm swinging a lot already, and with drom it's gonna be even faster, right?

[storm crypt]

yes but keep in mind if you miss decimator you drop all stacks

[kindred ivy]

Does Executor have better potential on Zealot compared to going bleed? Or is the bleed enough via talents? (Or is the bleed irrelevant for this one specifically )

[fleet zealot]

yea, deci loses out on consistency, decap is even more demanding

[frosty herald]

You do more raw damage with executor

[fleet zealot]

flesh tearer is the best bleed option and it is just below executor,

[storm crypt]

i forgot i had to do the knives penance

[fleet zealot]

above executor is riposte and precog

you always take uncanny strike

[frosty herald]

Knife has a 1.9x crit damage modifier i believe

[kindred ivy]

Makes sense, I had a similar chat in veteran the other day but I just wanted to be sure

Thanks all

[fleet zealot]

higher depending on swing

vet can go mercy killer with serrated blade

[kindred ivy]

Oh, because the attack just straight-up applies bleed?

[fleet zealot]

yea

[kindred ivy]

Gotcha

[fleet zealot]

Finesse
Increases the Weapon's Attack Speed and grants bonus to Critical Hits and Weak Spot Hits.

Critical and Weakspot Power: [2.19 - 3.06]
Critical and Weakspot Power: [1.5 - 2.5]
Attack Speed: [1 - 1.14]
Attack Speed: [1 - 1.14]

this is the range, i think you can check in the ingame inspect menu

that's for mk3

Critical and Weakspot Power: [1.69 - 2.56]
Critical and Weakspot Power: [1.5 - 2.5]
Attack Speed: [1 - 1.14]
Attack Speed: [1 - 1.14]

and mk6

the first crit and weakspot is the heavies/single target attacks, and the 2nd set is the lights

[storm crypt]

you already know it's going to be a good first game of the day

[ocean geode]

Oh about that

I just had a party with 4 zealots

And seems like the director decided to mock us

Despite the fact that the mission was just hight-intensity with dogs, every room was LITTERED with dreg gunners and shotgunners

[fleet zealot]

should brought more knives

[ocean geode]

That was the most "fuck you" from director that I have ever seen

[fleet zealot]

current mk4 chaxe build

current chaxe tho i need to start min maxing for a new one

[ocean geode]

I wonder if this is a coincidense or does director really was programmed to be that much of an asshole on purpose?

Also what are the stat priorities for Rashad axe?

[quasi marsh]

executor is good on mk6

im not a big fan of it though'

but it works

[fleet zealot]

everything except mobility

[storm crypt]

every-

yeah

[fleet zealot]

it's all important

finesse is weakspot power and attack speed so that's good for BM

penetratrion, first target, damage, self explanatory

[storm crypt]

Penetration > First Target > Finesse > Damage >>> Mobility

iirc

[ocean geode]

Ah grug it, there goes my every docket and plasteel piece

[fleet zealot]

nah damage is high too

it's teh base damage everything scales off of

[quasi marsh]

pretty sure first target is the biggest influence on dmg

[storm crypt]

yeah

[fleet zealot]

depends on the weapon too, knife can dump some pen cause of uncanny strike

[quasi marsh]

and the first guy you hit is all that matters bc BM lul

[storm crypt]

Damage should be high, but the difference between like

10% on damage being 10% on first target or something is nbd

pretty sure if Finesse/FT/Pen are all 80, and you're at 70% damage, it's literally like 2 points of damage on lights and 4 on heavies

[ocean geode]

Damage stat is a bit overrated, as on most weapons It's scales really lowly based on stat. I pretty much always look on % stats and to have likee 60%+ damage

ofc there are some breakpoints

But crafting is ass and I'm usually can't afford to craft another thing

[storm crypt]

it varies on weapon but yeah

[fleet zealot]

DAMN YOU HDRON

[storm crypt]

in this case, combat axe literally has 4 damage related stats

[fleet zealot]

FUCK

[storm crypt]

but like a devils claw, you have damage, finesse and cleave damage

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-that-gif-20953250

[storm crypt]

so

[fleet zealot]

god i was feeling so good

cause I got 2 good bases from brunts

in 300k gold

but mtoherfucking

hadron

[ocean geode]

hm, I actually found out that I own this thing, can it be fixed to be good?

[storm crypt]

um

[ocean geode]

I'm not sure how good thrust is on axes

[storm crypt]

thrust is kind of funny

last time i tried it, max stack martyr zealot can 1 full charge > 1 no charge heavy crushers

i think

it's been a while since i used thrust on caxe

but you can just elites > carapace and shred > brutal momentum and it should be fairly solid, yeah

[fleet zealot]

i'd just swap both blessings

[fleet zealot]

nah elites is fine

[ocean geode]

Elites is fine but ofc carapace would be better. But yeah I can save some dockets, plasteel, and most importantly remaining brain cells from not crafting this thing from scratch

[storm crypt]

i would test but yeah

[ocean geode]

I hope they gonna pretty soon drop the crafting rework

[frosty herald]

Ehh

[storm crypt]

either you can headtaker + bm and keep elites or elite > carapace shred > bm

[frosty herald]

Probs a few months away

Expect smaller content updates in the meantime

And at warhammer skulls theres an anouncement

[ocean geode]

I'm going to complete the 4500 penances and gonna go try to play VT2 i think

[fleet zealot]

thrust imo just isn't good with rashad, it doesn't sync with BM at all

[kindred ivy]

Worth a pickup? I have zero knowledge of the hammers apart from the Crucis is better maybe?

[storm crypt]

crucis vs. ironhelm is preference

but that first target kinda low

[minor sage]

Neg

[fleet zealot]

crucis is simpler and does a bigger hit, ironhelm can use activation to clear chaff is a bit weirder to use

thrust 1 isn't use it tbh

[minor sage]

You really wanna make a hammer from scratch

Since its pretty demanding in terms of stats

[storm crypt]

thammer really wants that damage, pen and first target since its gimmick is just funny big hit

[kindred ivy]

Ah okay, cheers

[jagged aspen]

ka-brick

[steel agate]

Not bad modifier wise imo, granted I barely build CHaxes

[jagged aspen]

and now im out of plasteel

[placid fiber]

Man... it takes forever to suicide to activate the clone item when you have 2 master rounds, a riddle of lead, and a magic sweet in Gungeon...

[ocean geode]

Does health segment counts as missing by Martyrdom if it's completely corrupted?

[placid fiber]

Both corrupted and non-corrupted

either way your health is below that threshold

[ocean geode]

Good, someone was claiming that corrupted segments doesn't trigger Martyrdom

That was in game not on this server

[steel agate]

It don’t trigger unless it covers the whole wound

[ocean geode]

That's logical

I'm specified about fully corrupted

And one more question: how do I need to adjust my playstyle with Martyrdom?

[placid fiber]

They said "if it's completely corrupted"

[ocean geode]

Do I have to hurt myself?

[storm crypt]

hug the nearest fire barrel

[steel agate]

Some people letthe damage happen naturally meanwhile others…

Others do what via said

Find a nearby barrel and farm damage taken on it

[storm crypt]

also, try to sit at 2 wounds instead of 1 if you use Bleed for the Emperor

[placid fiber]

Personally: I get myself to 3 wounds of hp missing so I have extra to spare if needed, and some bonuses to help prevent the need for that hopefully

[storm crypt]

it helps against health chip damage

[ocean geode]

It's PayDay2 Molotov all over again

Damn

[placid fiber]

I use fire barrels or 1 scab bruiser, generally

[sterile basalt]

It didn’t actually get stuck that much in my experience

[steel agate]

I don’t got the fastest eyeballs in the discord it was edited

[stable cypress]

just be comfortable playing around the health you get back from holy rev, martyrdom is v safe if played halfway decently

[placid fiber]

You're eyes still are probably vastly better than mine... x.x

[steel agate]

Just cuz u can’t see certain things don’t mean u can’t see period

Bad sight is better than no sight

[placid fiber]

Hey, guys, do you think I am a bit fast yet in this Gungeon run? This is non-turbo mode

(That's like 2-3x the starting moving speed)

[placid fiber]

Oh I know.... but missing things completely gets frustrating, sometimes, especially in Enter the Gungeon

[storm crypt]

it's already been answered but the handy-dandy guide of what happens when you become Purple™️

[placid fiber]

Like: Even though I am that fast AND enemies' projectiles are moving slower... I still can just not see enemies, projectiles, pits, etc

[steel agate]

I’m the same but it’s due to inexperience with top downs

Can never pick a side of the screen to watch I’m always dartin my eyes and it sells me

[placid fiber]

People, while in a a car, and also looking EVERYWHERE to try to find the woman my brother in law spotted and was telling me about...

https://tenor.com/view/sadcat-gif-25701972

[placid fiber]

(Btw this is why I chose not to learn how to drive)

[frosty herald]

She clawed my boy laios's face

Im going to use the water hose on her!!!

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/the-war-smiling-friends-smormu-dance-war-gif-24549149

[placid fiber]

Hm... for some reason... getting master rounds in Gungeon isn't all that bad... when you have all of these...

I had a Clone, which is why I have both so many items and 2 master round 2's... I would have 2 master round 3's, but, I gave it to gunther on floor 4 to get into the R&G Dept

[ocean geode]

Marty is prettu fun actually

But I came into mission with flamer for penance and suffered a bit, still was fun

You just hit stuff when you low and you have a shit ton of damage

But I need to get use to Rashad

It's high damage but feels a bit clunky to use

Perhaps there is some tricks to it?

[ember yew]

Melk

Stap

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-doing-this-teddy-dimas-only-murders-in-the-building-why-are-you-acting-this-way-why-are-you-being-like-this-gif-26547195

[sterile basalt]

Get atk speed bonuses

And build for 1 shot breakpoints on bruisers

[placid fiber]

So, guys: Think my shotty has enough shots? Hehe

Apparently it can hold more shots. It gets +1 mag capacity for each half of a heart you are missing. It starts at 1 ammo for the mag capacity(at full hp)

[oak ermine]

Hm. How does that gun work on Robot?

[placid fiber]

It can never get more ammo

[oak ermine]

[placid fiber]

Just like how Blasphemy does not ever get a sword beam for the Robot

[oak ermine]

The worst kind of outcome

[placid fiber]

BUT the Robot has 1 advantage

Riddle of Lead's damage blocking chance is 50%

since it counts the Robot as always having only 1/2 of a heart left

[oak ermine]

Too bad I could never get into the game

It felt so much different from Binding of Isaac

Back when I bought it in… 2016?

[placid fiber]

The first time I was playing this I was kind of meh on it, and I got slaughtered in the Marine's past like... 20-30 times...

I got all of the npcs rescued

I never got any more characters or pasts beat, though

Now? I have all characters unlocked, all pasts defeated(I still need to do the Marine's, Robot's, Bullet's, and Convict's past fights a 2nd time to get the alt starting gun skins), and almost all items unlocked

The 2nd time I picked up Gungeon I have enjoyed this game a whole hell of a lot more

I also have completely come to peace with the fact I probably can only do good, generally, on Rainbow mode runs due to my poor eyesight perception... and honestly? Idc, it's a single player game. If someone else has a problem with me doing rainbow runs that's their problem, not mine. I am playing the game to have fun, not prove anything.

Now if you will excuse me, I'm gonna go murder the gunslinger's past boss which is a double phase 1 lich

[oak ermine]

Best of luck

At least I still have the game in library, if I ever decide to go back

and slay my past experience with it

[placid fiber]

I mean asside from getting down to only 4 hearts, for gilded hydra tomfoolery, I am pretty sure I got this...

[placid fiber]

If you get rainbow mode unlocked you can activate it to have the game have a much more casual feel. The normal chests no longer drop loot anymore on that so you gotta just kill em

[misty nova]

If you ever get a bricked Rashad with Decapitator, try it with Martyr, not the greatest but it's fun

[ocean geode]

Do I need to hit sniper directly with a grenade, or just stun him with it? And the easiest way to do it? Sniper gauntlet?

[oak ermine]

I could do that, but even then I believe I’d rather learn to play and enjoy the game at its base difficulty, fail, learn, repeat. Just like in Isaac

[placid fiber]

Whoops, I forgot to kill myself with the bullet that can kill the past so I had to fight all 3 phases on 1 lich instead x.x

[placid fiber]

It's just that you'd have something to fall back on, in case you wanted a casual and fun run

[oak ermine]

Try again soldier

[placid fiber]

I only got hit once tho(I was down to 1.5 hearts, which became 1 heart and 1 armor...)

[shell lichen]

Best blessings for a rashad?

[oak ermine]

Headtaker and BM

[placid fiber]

Brutal Momentum and Decimator/Headtaker

[shell lichen]

Nice nice, tyty

[placid fiber]

Die you stupid mf...

Lich is tough when you only have 1.5hp and no blanks

[steel agate]

Just stun via the stun nade’s aoe, I got lucky with mine got myself a sniper at the far end of a bridge while me and the squad were waiting for the ascender

Arched my nade and yeeted it near the sniper, got the penace

[placid fiber]

@oak ermine Also: I sometimes throw in Turbo mode for fun, cuz I can, even tho that usually gets me killed very easily

[ocean geode]

I just now need to find a team that wouldn't kill the sniper the moment it gets it laser online

Cause ofcourse, when you play regulary your mates are completely blind

And when you try to do the penance they have aimbot

[steel agate]

lol true that might be why u were cookin by suggesting sniper gauntlet, so u got more potential attempts to get the penace

Smart move

[misty nova]

Remember to tag the sniper to know the distance, that sure won't tell your team where to shoot

[oak ermine]

Is that the speed play mode? I.e., everything is moving slightly faster?

[placid fiber]

bullets move faster, you move faster, enemies move faster

[oak ermine]

Oh yeah, that’s a fun twist

[safe glade]

For MK2 evis crit build, is shred + rampage best? And perks maniac + flak?

[placid fiber]

Definitely love getting the bullet's starting weapon as my "pistol", on the paradox

[oak ermine]

It’s one of the optimal loadouts, yeah

Besides Rampage and Shred, Savage Sweep is sometimes used by people (albeit I don’t understand why)

[safe glade]

I know lot of people say mk15 is better, but I loathe la spam for horde clear

[oak ermine]

It’s not better

[safe glade]

I love my combo heavy weapon

[oak ermine]

None is strictly better than the other

[safe glade]

but thx for confirmation

just had a perfect stat roll evis get bricked by hadron

T.T

[ocean geode]

There is no sniper gauntlets right now :(

[oak ermine]

Mk15 is very cookie cutter and easy to use, whereas Mk2 has better capabilities for handling elites in swarms bar just spamming L

And in general it allows for much more aggressive play

[safe glade]

yea and the push attack is alot better too imo

[oak ermine]

Mk15 is consistent and demolishes elites/bosses while maintaining decent swarm clear

[safe glade]

I like cleaving push attack weapons

like crusher and mk4 chainaxe

if only the momentum would have been shred/rampage it would be so good

but it just got fucked

[oak ermine]

Momentum is fine, but it’s not like Zealot really needs that much toughness uptime

[safe glade]

but for a crit build it wouldnt work right

[oak ermine]

Maybe on Martyr setups it’s somewhat helpful to avoid having any dents in your toughness bar

[safe glade]

hmm I might keep it then

for a different build

[oak ermine]

I would. It’s a good Evis

[safe glade]

• rampage and maniac then

I assume

now what would be a good gun to pair that with

[oak ermine]

Or +Elites, but I’m terrible at testing for breakpoints

So take that advice with a pint of salt

[safe glade]

yea I will test some shit in psychanium

[oak ermine]

I typically run the Bolter, but you don’t explicitly need any particular ranged weapon for Evis

Anything that can help you against mass Carapace/Unyielding is nice, I guess

[safe glade]

bolter felt so trash last I used it

I'd rather just press F and blast it in the head

[placid fiber]

It's useful in the right hands... but... yeah in the wrong hands it isn't all that great

[safe glade]

but tbh

Ive never liked it even in the old days

too clunky and slow

[torpid lark]

[placid fiber]

Instead of Bolter just do what I do in Gungeon and say yes to sword.

[safe glade]

xD

[placid fiber]

Granted... Blasphemy destroys projectiles on slash/reload... and fires a sword beam at full health... but that's aside from the point

[placid fiber]

Fun Fact: The game labels Blasphemy as semi-automatic. :3

[frosty herald]

Ah yes

The semi automatic sword

[safe glade]

sword stronkk

[placid fiber]

I mean if Casey wasn't a charged baseball bat, it would probably also be a "semi-auto" weapon, hehe

Blasphemy is great and all... but... my favorite weapon is, by far, Casey. Blasphemy only sits at 2nd place.

[frosty herald]

Shouldve called it lucille

[placid fiber]

I mean... launching enemies into other enemies is hella fucking satisfying

[frosty herald]

It is indeed

[safe glade]

btw is it worth using 1 or more +wound curious for a marty setup?

[placid fiber]

And my zealot brain enjoys it, immensely

[placid fiber]

If you have more than 1 wound curio then you're either a Marty build, or probably dead weight(or not a whole lot better)

[oak ermine]

I use 3 curios typically, but I wouldn’t know why some players decide to go for less

Other than, IDK, more safety

[placid fiber]

I use 2 wound curios on Martydom and 1 toughness curio

[safe glade]

alright

[oak ermine]

I always subside by the cost sunken into Martyrdom upgrades

[safe glade]

gotta get my hands on some of those then

[steel agate]

the plan has been foiled

[placid fiber]

Damn... scattershot on Gunther really is escessive overkill lol

[last salmon]

sheesh

how can i upload an image?

[minor sage]

You can't

You need to be part of the Kool kids Klub

[last salmon]

Oh

Fair enough

I wanted to show my sweet gun

[placid fiber]

... I got the eyepatch, Gunther just reached level 3, my paradox started with scattershot, and the game gave me an angel shrine... o_o'

[merry flume]

my store had soju on sale, 3.50 a bottle

picked up 5 of em

🫡

[placid fiber]

My scattershot projectiles legit almost do full damage, at this point... >.>'

Scattershot makes your weapons fires 3x more projectiles/beams at 55% damage each... the angel shrine increases damage by 25%, the eyepatch increase damage by 35%(and makes you less accurate)... so I have +60% damage

Meh that run got boring so I restarted... that's why I usually don't take Gunther... :/

[plucky sparrow]

What’s the use case for thunder hammers vs the power maul

[sterile basalt]

Thunder hammers are single target Dmg, crusher is AoE stagger & force multiplier for team

[fleet zealot]

thunder hammer is a single target focused weapon and crusher is a precision all rounder

crucis is simple and ironhammer is a bit quirky, but you actively have to know your combos to maximise your crusher usefullness for each situation

[sterile stone]

@royal vortex Where art thou

I summon the machine spirit

[kindred ivy]

Nebulous question, but is 65% damage on a Zarona Mk IIa a dealbreaker?

[merry flume]

can you still crit reliably

[kindred ivy]

Good point, presuming it'd only really work with Piety?

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-ccupidz-gif-21213973

[merry flume]

soggy :)

[royal vortex]

what do you want

[sterile stone]

Damn

So hostile

[blissful tendon]

this loner penance got me fucked up

probably 4, 5 games and only 40/200

[flint imp]

theres a way to do it real real fast

[placid fiber]

I just realized, a bit ago, why I keep getting weapons that look different for my starting gungineer weapons... You can get either the normal version or the alt skin that you unlock from beating the past boss twice... ngl I really like the Marine's alt version

[frosty herald]

Ok

The crusher is hella fun

[solar gorge]

devious activities occuring in this place of discource

https://tenor.com/view/dubius-little-creature-dubius-creature-little-gif-24535481

[blissful tendon]

what's the way

"you can do it better" when I'm struggling but not actually saying how to do it better is

hangin me out to dry

[flint imp]

lots of ppl are able to play solo without having to deal with pubs though u need to use a mod for that. its called many more try

[pearl elm]

is there a reason the “only a flesh wound” penance is only completable in a private lobby

[blissful tendon]

oh I knew that not existed but never connected the dots

I'll probably try that soonish

[flint imp]

how solo works is that u are able to queue for missions that has been expired from the mission hub for a long time. Up to 24 hours in which u pretty much can solo since pubs can't join expired matches

[placid fiber]

Welp guys, I finally did it. I got Scattershot + Helix Bullets.

And I gotta say: It fucking sucks compared to just scattershot on the robot's starting weapon

since it drastically increases the spread x.x

[coarse birch]

i got told that i inspired someone to be a better player the other day after a clutch

like damn 😭

[vocal pulsar]

@coarse birch congrats

Not surprised to hear that

[frosty herald]

I instantly got a chat message saying

"Another zealot running ahead"

And when i crashed she asumed i ragequit