Rather than making it just do more damage
#zealot-class
coarse birch
vast basin
Class specific blessings could be cool
south folio
the prepatch 13 level 1k surge psykers who spammed surge into hordes will forever scar me
also the two level 1k surge psykers who sent bursters into me
south folio
3-shot
ember yew
the prepatch 13 level 1k surge psykers who spammed surge into hordes will foreve...
You mean afk 24/7 smite psykers are better?
south folio
guh
vast basin
Just to play devil's advocate a bit, I think when surge players just spam their staff into hordes it's usually to build peril and not to try and do damage
rocky marsh
No horde can stand up to surge even in damnation
dough did i tell you about the 400+ psyker who told me he plays in malice because thats the only difficulty surge works in.
south folio
they are doing it even after they've ulted
fleet zealot
the prepatch 13 level 1k surge psykers who spammed surge into hordes will foreve...
i remember 13 dropped and I watched a psyker spam surge into a horde and just got pummeled
coarse birch
I am fake dough
wicked sage
i saw level 900+ knife zealots who run away, get downed and quit
They didn't first tell the entire group that they suck?
vast basin
Well psyker ult can also give toughness with quietude so maybe they are just trying to generate tough? Idk man
frosty herald
if you wanna build up peril just stroke your forcesword
coarse birch
Not nearly as cool as real dough
coarse birch
also the two level 1k surge psykers who sent bursters into me
New idea
vast basin
Stroking only really works with illisi unless you spam swap, and you can't really do that in a hectic situation
coarse birch
dough did i tell you about the 400+ psyker who told me he plays in malice becaus...
Insane
rocky marsh
also the two level 1k surge psykers who sent bursters into me
arco need to be more open minded,
They giving you poxyb push training
Scared you not used to it.
master teach the young hard way
ember yew
me playing level 30(+16) Vet just to do vet penances in maelstrom
(this time its 2500 marksman kills, still need around +400)
like
5 leavers
i think
fleet zealot
smite "can" actually deal damage, if the psyker builds around it, tho that is a question of itself
fleet zealot
Well psyker ult can also give toughness with quietude so maybe they are just try...
idk, usually a psyker has a better option to generate peril vs horde, like illisi. I doubt many people are running surge BR
coarse birch
Most smite players take it to be a CC bot and cant fight 1 poxwalker in melee
fleet zealot
bubble EP smiters singlehandedly dropping the winrate down so smite EP gets buffed
rocky marsh
idk, usually a psyker has a better option to generate peril vs horde, like illis...
POV lion carry bought dagon
safe glade
if you'd build a taxe for crit, you'd take shred + BM right?
fleet zealot
POV lion carry bought dagon
blocked, reason, reminding me of dota 2 /joke
fleet zealot
if you'd build a taxe for crit, you'd take shred + BM right?
no, you need power
to hit the BM breakpoints
well, you could run shred
safe glade
so just headtaker + BM
vocal pulsar
rocky marsh
blocked, reason, reminding me of dota 2 /joke
darktide is dota.
Zealot is huskar
Psyker is zeus
Ogryn is magi
Vet is LC
stable cypress
idk, usually a psyker has a better option to generate peril vs horde, like illis...
most pub psykers are deathly allergic of melee tho
rocky marsh
no escape
ember yew
if you'd build a taxe for crit, you'd take shred + BM right?
im gonna try headtaker + shred, since with insane attack speed of taxes it could be a better choice, but need to get one to make a comparison in live tests
fleet zealot
blazing piety+scourge+shred
if you take mk4, you go deci ht or ht shred
the other taxes have good angled swings for BM
but i'd test
test a lot
ember yew
i hate the last (?) swing on atrox 7
its like miss 50% of the time for me
its angle is weird
coarse birch
note mk4 was still bad with those
its like very very
whelming
just take like thrust HT Caxe if you want funny single target axe
rocky marsh
just take like thrust HT Caxe if you want funny single target axe
wouldn't this just be knife but long
fleet zealot
whelmed
fleet zealot
whelmed
coarse birch
but same idea of only hit one guy
rocky marsh
but same idea of only hit one guy
one hit one guy 
coarse birch
no rending but you do a billion cara damage anyway
fleet zealot
yea taxe being pathetic carapace damage
it's only whelming if you crit a heavy on their head
fleet zealot
extra crispy reject, spicy green sauce flavor
safe glade
Which blessing would be ideal for a kantrael shotty apart from no respite?
fleet zealot
Which blessing would be ideal for a kantrael shotty apart from no respite?
deathspitter is good
oak ermine
I’d say Deathspitter or Full Bore, but Fire Frenzy is also okay-ish
polar nexus
deathspitter is also stagger and cleave
ember yew
while FF only boost close damage
fleet zealot
Deathspitter is just a better version of Fire Frenzy
fire frenzy was reworked like 2 times now
first it was identical to deathspitter, gave power, then it gave attack speed, now it is close range damage
fleet zealot
should I take t4 full bore then?
tiers aren't end all be all
unless you are using your shotgun regularly to point blank ogryns and monstros, i'd say deathspitter gives you more mileage
safe glade
alright,, thanks!
wicked sage
Finally got Shocking Stuff done
hushed knoll
deathspitter is also stagger and cleave
KEET HI
polar nexus
Hiii
jagged aspen
Finally got Shocking Stuff done
bro how
jagged aspen
nah kill 40 enemies stunned by grenade
median steeple
shocking stuff is only difficult if you have teammates hell bent on eating every ad in the game
median steeple
but yeah flamer cooks the penance
jagged aspen
i dont understand the flamer
fleet zealot
it's even easier now than it used to be cause more enemy desnity difficulties and better shock nades
best way is to just communicate with team or get a premade
usually if you talk in both vc and textbox people will usually understand, hopefully
fleet zealot
flamer is get 76% burn stat and 76% cloud radius, if you are really itching get infested and unarmored perks. only good blessing rn is blaze away, OP is bugged and the rest are meh
hard nexus
but yeah flamer cooks the penance
clever
fleet zealot
did they buff shock nade?
buffed in patch 13 with all the original grenade/blitz
jagged aspen
ah
median steeple
I DIDNT MEAN TO MAKE PUN NOOOOOOOOOOO
fleet zealot
I DIDNT MEAN TO MAKE PUN NOOOOOOOOOOO
dad
summer tree
Clever girl
hard nexus
I DIDNT MEAN TO MAKE PUN NOOOOOOOOOOO
punintended
median steeple
median steeple
I need to work on my psyker penances
fleet zealot
i just took 1d4 psychic damage from that image
fleet zealot
i just feel like flamer hits like wet paper
it is reliant on the burn stat, damage stat does next to nothing
median steeple
burn and radius is what you want
get blaze away for extra punch and you have all you need
jagged aspen
ok
wicked sage
bro how
Flamethrower - Heresy
In Aegis Station (?) you have this funnel to a lift (after some sort of chapel) where a horde charges towards the lift, usually everyone takes the lift up before they get there
This time the Ogryn stopped to block them and charged through them, I tossed a grenade and flamed them all
fleet zealot
and don't use the puff left click usually it's not for damage
jagged aspen
Flamethrower - Heresy
In Aegis Station (?) you have this funnel to a lift (after...
at extract?
wicked sage
Perfect width for the flamer
wicked sage
Perfect width for the flamer
Now I need to relearn to not rely on the flamer as I get used to my favorite ripper gun again
fleet zealot
<:GatorHUH:1012628924435546152>
why are you anti goon?
median steeple
reclaim the word goon
misty nova
Sure
hard nexus
i just feel like flamer hits like wet paper
what targets are you using it for?
fleet zealot
get fury of the faithful for flamer
hushed agate
@jagged aspen have you considered using charge?
fleet zealot
changes it from a horde burner to a crusher pack burner
hushed agate
Damnit youre quicker than me
jagged aspen
ive only taken it out a couple times since i thought it was kinda redundant for horde clear since zealot weapons are good for that
also FOTF works with ranged weapons??
hushed agate
Support zealot is goated
hard nexus
also FOTF works with ranged weapons??
yeah, it’s 5 seconds of armor reduction, so carapace takes flak, flak takes unarmoured
hard nexus
ive only taken it out a couple times since i thought it was kinda redundant for ...
i really use it as a compliment to another weapon, such as knife, which has worse horde clear
so it picks up the slack
jagged aspen
fair
fleet zealot
can't use a shove ro anything melee attack or else you consume the buff
jagged aspen
im not really racing to use a knife
hushed agate
support zealot is fuckin lame (IMO)
Hard disagree. Only reason i still play zealot tbh. Melee tank gets boring after a while and stealth hammer gives me a migraine
wraith helm
Support zealot is goated
Especially on a gas mission, if you can get one that keeps a solid uptime of chorus? It feels very good
And makes it tolerable
fleet zealot
not doing damage feels dumb asf
ok gas missions is one thing
but voc and bubble shield can do taht too
wraith helm
Other than that, I just see it as a boss pusher for cliff kills
hushed agate
but voc and bubble shield can do taht too
The bonuses you give to your team after five pulses and guaranteed stun on basically anything makes up for it imo
Now that im thinking about it i should probably take stuns with my build instead of knife
Using t knife on controller is so aids
summer tree
but voc and bubble shield can do taht too
Voc is so amazing that it's not needed to bring support Zealot, unless you have a exe stance vet
Then there's an argument to be made
hushed agate
Voc hopefully will get its cooldown nerfed soon
Then support zealot will have more ground to stand on
fleet zealot
The bonuses you give to your team after five pulses and guaranteed stun on basic...
it doesn't
hushed agate
it doesn't
I disagree
fleet zealot
the damage buff unless you are in a premade of trusted fellows, will never outmatch what you could have done in the channel time
hard nexus
now kiss
i like chorus, i run it on knife zealot, i don’t always have it active its just like
a get out of jail card
hushed agate
the damage buff unless you are in a premade of trusted fellows, will never outma...
On its own yeah itd be bad but there is still the stun and tough regen
hard nexus
and i feel like chastise is redundant with a knife
wraith helm
I like chorus cause it helps with grimoires, overtoughness, etc.
fleet zealot
the stun been nerfed and frankly it just a wiggle back while voc and wall shield knocks shit on their ass
hard nexus
and i hate stealth
hushed agate
the stun been nerfed and frankly it just a wiggle back while voc and wall shield...
The stun isnt for knocking stuff down its for breathing room
vivid hawk
there even an OP t4?
hushed agate
Which if your playing qp is a life saver. Skill level is such a mixed bag
fleet zealot
The stun isnt for knocking stuff down its for breathing room
yes, and you get more breathing room when enemies are struggling to get up
hushed agate
Yeah?
spare dome
i basically just use relic as a slow dash with more teamward utility
wraith helm
Auric qps is insane
hard nexus
yes, and you get more breathing room when enemies are struggling to get up
i mean there’s also the fact that it’s on zealot
spare dome
pretty rare i let it pulse more than four times
hushed agate
I never said it was better than voc
hard nexus
i don’t wanna play vet
hushed agate
But its still good
hard nexus
yeah exactly
wraith helm
I like the pulse but I try to quickly get it off at +100 and skip the last pulse
median steeple
i don’t wanna play vet
hard nexus
this is reminding me of the psword bromentum conversation…..
hard nexus
https://tenor.com/view/caine-kills-gumigoo-the-amazing-digital-circus-caine-gumi...
insert image of courier blowing you up
i know you have it ready to go
you fallout gooner
psycho doesn’t fuck with legsworth…
look at this
it’s beautiful
fleet zealot
it's not about it being worse than voc
fleet zealot
it just isn't fun or
interactive
if it was a slower pulsing aura that i could still swing while doing
I would like it
spare dome
wdym i get to sip my coffee once it's out
hushed agate
Like you said earlier that your opinion. I find chorus very fun
spare dome
that's loads of interaction
median steeple
idk maybe its just me but none of the Fs are really interactive besides like
stealth
thats it
fleet zealot
Like you said earlier that your opinion. I find chorus very fun
YES AND I STATED IT'S MY OPINION lmao
median steeple
or scriers
wraith helm
I still miss original chorus. Just bully bosses into a corner
hushed agate
YES AND I STATED IT'S MY OPINION lmao
Oh why are we arguing than
median steeple
I still miss original chorus. Just bully bosses into a corner
you can still do that
its just every other pulse
spare dome
id love to know what they plan to do with overheal/VoC
wraith helm
you can still do that
Yeah but it was EVERY pulse. That was ridiculous lol
hard nexus
i'm stating why I think it is not fun
your opinion is wrong sry
hushed agate
Oh i thought you were trying to say it was bad. My fault
hard nexus
you must be killed
median steeple
yeah at least they didnt get rid of it lmao
wraith helm
Did it stun BoN at one point?
median steeple
no
wraith helm
Couldn't remember
median steeple
BoN is incapable of being stunned by anything iirc
hard nexus
Did it stun BoN at one point?
nope
hard nexus
BoN is incapable of being stunned by anything iirc
it can be staggered
fleet zealot
BoN is incapable of being stunned by anything iirc
void could
median steeple
Void should not be a talking point since it broke the game for a while
That shit was a godslyer
fleet zealot
but surge blessed crit weakspot
fleet zealot
me stunlocking the Pogryn into a corner with the power of my double BALLS
quasi marsh
and i feel like chastise is redundant with a knife
Chastise is never redundant
Armor downgrade op
fleet zealot
chastise gives a melee buff after use
quasi marsh
Chastise does a lot
fleet zealot
and knife can keep the buff up with infinite uptime with crit cdr
making it actually the best blessing for consistent damage for it
quasi marsh
One of the strongest abilities in the game frankly
wraith helm
BoN is incapable of being stunned by anything iirc
Rock to the back of the head I think lmao
fleet zealot
yea
wraith helm
Kraks
fleet zealot
chastise is overtuned asf thank god no other class notices
hard nexus
is it really?
fleet zealot
yes
hard nexus
i feel like it’s kind of on par
quasi marsh
It's on par with piss toughness screaming tbh
fleet zealot
movement tool, buff, ranged damage pen, and the direct melee on hit
summer tree
It's on par with piss toughness screaming tbh
That's the most wild thing I've read all day
open pollen
And toughness regen
quasi marsh
That's the most wild thing I've read all day
It's like an offense version
north sedge
Attack speed
summer tree
It's like an offense version
The wording is just very funny
quasi marsh
Instead of pee toughness you get a lot more damage boosts and armor downgrade
north sedge
Any other skill would have at least some of that as upgrade nodes
fleet zealot
yea
north sedge
But chastise just does it all
fleet zealot
like, the movement tech you can do with it insane
you can do weird moonwalk driveby charges
open pollen
Chastize isn't too op, but it is too complicated. A real grab bag of an ability
quasi marsh
How is it complicated
open pollen
CDR on the other hand
summer tree
Press F and go forward
north sedge
It's not complicated it just does everything
quasi marsh
Take blazing piety -> press it any time you are breathing -> win
open pollen
It just does a lot of different stuff. Its complex.
summer tree
We don't worry about complexities and nuance, we just kill things
quasi marsh
Unironically I don't even use a gun on zealot
left iron
summer tree
Unironically I don't even use a gun on zealot
I use a revolver to show vets who the real big hoss is
frosty herald
sometimes i feel like psyker's marked is broken
i kill marked enemies but dont get stack in my hud
or marked enemies just spawn infrequently and then back to back
zinc talon
frosty herald
I've felt the infrequency
you also
you get what i mean right
you kill 1 enemy and instantly the marked goes to another
but other times you kill an enemy and it takes a minute for another to appear
quasi marsh
Yes
Though usually
I noticed it's bc someone killed my target
But idk
I'm not that familiar with psyker
But I definitely have felt the dd mark disappear for like 10 or 15 seconds sometimes
frosty herald
i might have the issue because im simply too fast
open pollen
I think the armor downgrade feature of chastise, and any other currently unlisted buff for that matter, should probably be moved to its own talent and be replaced with a rending or brittleness buff of equal or greater value.
zinc talon
what, you don't like murking three crushers with six laspistol shots?
light steppe
Is Zealot just the easiest class or am I out of practice with anything other than the tigris chainsword
zinc talon
also if you pulled every unlisted perk or buff from the tooltips you'd have a fifth and maybe a sixth entire class
light steppe
Because I just tried a level 4 normal mission on vet, got my ass handed to me. Went into a maelstorm 4 with my Zealot, fucking murdered everything lmao
zinc talon
the chainsword does simplify things for sure
especially the new one
it's almost boring to use
almost anyway
and yeah ^that'll happen as you said
light steppe
Look, the simple 1 button combo of 'left click until enemies aren't around anymore' might be boring
IF that 1 button combo didn't turn everything into body parts
median steeple
all the classes are pretty easy however on zealot you just don't have to try as hard
fossil crag
Is Zealot just the easiest class or am I out of practice with anything other tha...
use the mk 6knife 
its feels like you can kill everything once you master it and use it with the charging ult instead of invis
frosty herald
all the classes are pretty easy however on zealot you just don't have to try as ...
me when i fumble a single dodge on psyker
(i am dead)
light steppe
Its the mix of speed, tankiness and damage. Like I just feel like I never get my toughness broken, the charge allows me to fucking run through gunner fire without issue and I 2 shot everything below a crusher
And then with crushers I just press the funny button and chew their head off
Pysker comes close in terms of 'ease' for me
median steeple
(i am dead)
such is the power of nagash
open pollen
also if you pulled every unlisted perk or buff from the tooltips you'd have a fi...
Aye, but chastise already lacks a second talent. This is an opportunity to ellucidate and balance this feature seperate from base chastise. Having to invest an extra point for this power would seem an acceptable cost, no? They could also have it increase cooldown or lockout having 2 charges.
(Also, the fact chastise has an s at the end instead of a z bothers me, but thats more a complaint with the english language.)
Having to chose between two weaker charges or one mega charge seems like a fun choice to me. They could buff the second talent accordingly.
light steppe
I like the 'ammo' count for charges. On harder missions I'll always keep 1 spare so I can dash out of combat if its really dire
open pollen
You give half your hair to The Emperor!
open pollen
I think that one actually looks pretty cool.
light steppe
She kinda bad tho
light steppe
When I heard the Old Man voice for Zealot I knew I had to make a grandpa
open pollen
its just that darktide is too much stress
All the hair flees from the head to the face.
light steppe
Why does this give me SFM porn vibes
open pollen
I am surprised we don't call when zel-chats NOT being horny.
misty nova
Why does this give me SFM porn vibes
Art style
misty mason
https://tenor.com/view/telephone-call-gif-26141162
frosty herald
damn im goated
blissful tendon
damn
i guess im backpacking this until i find one or the other blessings
these are both still The Perks™️ for this thing right
zinc talon
yep it's definitely one setup for a style/role of the weapon
it has more but that one shows up to work every job
taking a step back for next time you might think about whether the cleave on the weapon is already enough or not and if wrath does as much work as something else
The Crowd goes back and forth on it
personally I'm running relic/corruption/stun grrrnades currently so the 15's super easy light swings make it super easy to keep max stacks of crit % on hit super easily
and when it does crit, I can get 4? 5? ticks of that reduction per swing
shaving ten seconds off your ultimate timer in a well timed hit/crit sure is a nice quality of life boost
grave nebula
Me and my female zealot darktide experience ^
Bowlcut bestcut
misty nova
these are both still The Perks™️ for this thing right
Wrath is not the best one for the mk15 but it's aight
grave nebula
these are both still The Perks™️ for this thing right
why the fuck block efficiency?
grave nebula
damn
how does the other shredder differ to this one stats wise? I prefer that ones moveset, but what about statwise? is it just all around worse or what?
misty nova
Other way around
grave nebula
cause I personally find using the MkXV boring as hell, while the other one has proper comboes I like doing and shiet
grave nebula
Other way around
so MKXV is better at single and the other for crowds?
grave nebula
Mk2 good crowd attack speed
I see
misty nova
Yeah basically
grave nebula
I did find slashing crowds really smooth with the Evi, but Single target is just meh to me, feels like shit doing normal attacks and the special attack is only good if you got like a single big enemy to take care off
just prefer the Crusher way more
Might not be better damage wise when you got all the stats and blessings you could ever want, but I like the ease of use and utility it has
just shockbonk literally everything and you are gucci, monsters are a bit more difficult but it still does good
misty nova
You see, with the Mk15 nothing is a threat
grave nebula
You see, with the Mk15 nothing is a threat
hmm yeah
It even looks cooler
but I hate the shove attack on it and most of all I just really dont like how noob friendly and simple it is
misty nova
Sure, I guess
grave nebula
I like to have to learn combos of shove attacks, lights, heavies mixed in together etc.
grave nebula
Sure, I guess
yeah that's just a me thing though
misty nova
Understandable
It's also important to note that the 15 has a 4 targets cap on the lights
It will stagger more than 4 but won't damage them
So cleave blessings are kinda wasted on it
It's seems like the undamaged targets still proc Invocation, which is weird
open pollen
It's also important to note that the 15 has a 4 targets cap on the lights
Why do we even still have hard caps like this? Surely the hitmass and cleave calculations are good enough?
misty nova
It's probably because of balance, the 15 has sweeping lights with a good amount of stagger, you'd clear hordes even faster and possibly trivialize the Mk2
coarse birch
ye its meant to be a single target weapon
when you think of weapons with XV single target numbers that also have horde clear they tend to be p dumb
looking at caxe
the cleave blessings dont change the cap likely because that would just be the same thing as caxe where you can fix a weapons weakness entirely with a blessing which kinda destroys balance and weapon identity
less heinous than BM but still probably too much
rocky marsh
It's probably because of balance, the 15 has sweeping lights with a good amount ...
I think kind of weird they designed it this way then. It's like they went "oh shit, oh yeah"
vast radish
why did it have to give me literally the two most worthless blessings this gun could have ;~;
it's 378 whyyyy
misty nova
the cleave blessings dont change the cap likely because that would just be the s...
A revved light will damage 6 targets, shred the 7th or stop at any elite
rocky marsh
I think kind of weird they designed it this way then. It's like they went "oh sh...
Waitcis stagger also based on damage?
Or its independent
So by hard cap cleave amount they make it so that you still stagger good but you don't kill the whole room.
maiden path
enemies sliding 400 feet to hit you with a 1 hit overhead
rocky marsh
Waitcis stagger also based on damage?
Plos answer 
ripe quest
It's probably because of balance, the 15 has sweeping lights with a good amount ...
Mk XV lights are still bugged, only the 4th light is providing any real stagger.
L1-3 have rev stagger still so they're capped at just quickly shaking an enemy.
blissful tendon
why the fuck block efficiency?
i thought seeing two undiscovered perks was enough to explain that question
as was the message immediately following it
blissful tendon
but i guess not
ember yew
columnus V is a nightmare
braced guns got like 8 blessings
columnus got like 13 or 15
rocky marsh
L1-3 have rev stagger still so they're capped at just quickly shaking an enemy.
Mr exhil so why hard cap exist when cleave and hitmass is a property ;-;
vast radish
thankfully got an ok roll a few later
im aware the damage ain't great but oh well, it kills.
just gotta replace ranged weak with maniac i guess
misty nova
Mk XV lights are still bugged, only the 4th light is providing any real stagger.
I would not have noticed considering my current play style
misty nova
Mr exhil so why hard cap exist when cleave and hitmass is a property ;-;
Cleave Blessings, infested/groaner mass
rocky marsh
Cleave Blessings, infested/groaner mass
So like. OK you can hit 3 crusher but I don't want you to hit 10 zomvies?
ripe quest
Mr exhil so why hard cap exist when cleave and hitmass is a property ;-;
Fatshark has little motivations behind everything. You'd want a hard cap in cases where you want a hard limit on how much a blessing can scale cleave damage, but not how many enemies you can stagger. Neither Evis should have any hard cap on damaged targets just because it's a 2h sword meant for crowd obliteration. However something like a Caxe PA probably shouldn't be able to damage 12 hitmass worth of enemies because you're literally blunt smacking enemies.
ember yew
just gotta replace ranged weak with maniac i guess
if you dont plan to shoot mutants, can also go with Melee Elites instead
rocky marsh
Fatshark has little motivations behind everything. You'd want a hard cap in case...
So the caxe 4 cap, mean I can only kill 4, but actually staggering more? On light at least.
Or its only relevant to the PA like you said
ripe quest
So like. OK you can hit 3 crusher but I don't want you to hit 10 zomvies?
There are few cases where you hit multiple Crushers tbf. Armor stop is a thing to prevent that exact weird feeling of "I can cleave through 4 giant carapace enemies but I can't damage 10 poxwalkers".
ripe quest
So the caxe 4 cap, mean I can only kill 4, but actually staggering more? On ligh...
Well the Caxe doesn't have a target cap on the lights, BM gives it a unique cleave system where it's per enemy instead of hitmass oriented.
rocky marsh
So BM changes the system entirely, not that it sets hard cap?
misty nova
Carapace, my enemy
ripe quest
Yes, it has its own system and its own hard cap.
open pollen
Does cleave affect damage falloff on each target hit?
ripe heron
No
ripe quest
no that's an attack dependant thing. Cleave is only for hitmass comparisons for how many enemies you hit per swing.
rocky marsh
What determines the falloff
open pollen
So if falloff is still a thing, why would infinite cleave be bad? Wouldn't the damage after the soft cap become trivial?
ripe heron
Brutal momentum causes the cleave to ignore the target you headshot kill for the next target.
ripe heron
It isn't really falloff, it's simply a different number for each target until you run out of specified targets and use the default.
rocky marsh
It's a hard set number?
ripe heron
You do 100 to target 1, 50 to target 2, an 20 to anything that isnt target 1 or 2
For a simple example
rocky marsh
Sorry how is that different from falloff?
ripe heron
Because the damage numbers arent interacting with eachother
Changing the first does nothing to the others
rocky marsh
Ohhhh
So if like you have +20 damage on next hit from whatever buff
It will only apply to first guy hit
rocky marsh
Changing the first does nothing to the others
Is there any case whereby this happens
Like it demonstrates "not falloff"
ripe heron
All the rest of the damage calculation.
rocky marsh
I'm not being sarcastic
ripe heron
Armour mods, finesse.
rocky marsh
Wait wait
So like finese, what would happen that only first guy take more damage on a cleave
ripe heron
They arent static for the whole swing.
ripe quest
There are some outliers to that but yeah, stuff like finesse would have proper falloff with each cleaved target.
misty nova
There's also weapons with the Cleave damage and cleave targets stat, just to make things more big brain
open pollen
So if I did the minimum damage to theoretically infinite enemies, how would that create an imbalance if the minimum damage is relatively small? If the min damage is still too big, why not add a new min after x targets? I'd rather deal 1 damage to all enemies I hit than 0 damage.
I still don't understand why we need hard caps at all? Am I missing something here?
fleet zealot
So if I did the minimum damage to theoretically infinite enemies, how would that...
Caps faster /easier weapons
If mk15 was uncapped it could very well make mk2 irrelevant
For example
Anyways it makes sense,the sweeps of the mk15 evi and mk12 chaxe should be weaker than the sweeps of the mk2 evi and mk4 chaxe, first ones are lights, the OG ones are heavies
Heavies are drawn back by being slower aka investing more
Sorry for any typos
Shower hands
open pollen
But then why stagger any enemy after the hard cap?
ripe quest
Oh because if you didn't even stagger then the weapon would feel like shit. You'd be ghost hitting a load of enemies every swing on some weapons.
fleet zealot
But then why stagger any enemy after the hard cap?
To not make them feel like shit
If they added stagger hard caps on cleave short of the current your weapon bouncing off before it cleaves to said target,
Would be the biggest nerf ever
open pollen
I just don't quite like the idea of staggering enemies with an attack, but dealing zero damage. If I do zero damage to an enemy, I would like to know that.
blissful tendon
im struggling a bit with beefier hordes using ironhelm, columnus iag, throwing knives, charge, and momentum, is there an improvement i could make here or do i just need to work on better horde control and movement
fleet zealot
I think that could be arranged, carapace has a 0 damage noise for bullets
fleet zealot
im struggling a bit with beefier hordes using ironhelm, columnus iag, throwing k...
If too many elites your ironhelm is getting caught before you kill enough horde im guessing
Best bet go immo nades
You are grabbing unyielding damage talent anyways,
Columnus can snipe specials anyways
blissful tendon
yeah its basically just any horde with a handful of any enemy that ironhelm gets stuck on
fleet zealot
Also how are ironhelms unactivated sweeps?
misty nova
im struggling a bit with beefier hordes using ironhelm, columnus iag, throwing k...
You could be aiming at body level, pretty sure that's more mass to go through
open pollen
Would an uncharged ironhelm swing be better in this case?
fleet zealot
Perhaps use them as a clunky crucis
open pollen
Just so it doesn't get caught?
fleet zealot
You need to cancel your combo cause of h3 but, the unactivated sweeps should keep you safe
But i’m also sure immo nades would also help a ton
open pollen
I also hold block mid attack to minimize the time spent vulnerable. But that might just be superstition.
visual stream
Would an uncharged ironhelm swing be better in this case?
Pretty much. Weave in charged hits for the elite/specials when it's safe to but unless you wanna eat smacks do uncharged in that situation
H3 can be good in that scenario for brief openings to smack a special occasionally
rocky marsh
If they added stagger hard caps on cleave short of the current your weapon bounc...
Wait can you rephrase this. I sort of understand but sort of don't
coarse birch
this is probably the craziest game ive had in a bit
fleet zealot
Wait can you rephrase this. I sort of understand but sort of don't
Currently, there is no stagger cap unless you run out of cleave and get stopped
coarse birch
total damage ended up not being as high as expected actually
fleet zealot
If there were a stagger cap, you’d end up swinging through mobs doing neither damage or stagger which would feel like shit
rocky marsh
Currently, there is no stagger cap unless you run out of cleave and get stopped
I get it now
Hit for small damage but still want to show you hit enemy
fleet zealot
And mk4 chaxe stays winning cause no stagger cap means i take my HT+ punishment and bully packs of ragers and maulers
fleet zealot
I get it now
Hit for small damage but still want to show you hit enemy
Yee kinda. Some weapons like the mk15 evi do have damage caps but they will at least do some stagger after that
coarse birch
ye thats why it feels safe despite killing 4 things per swing
cold crypt
who's ready to see hadron destroy my hopes and dreams?
rocky marsh
And mk4 chaxe stays winning cause no stagger cap means i take my HT+ punishment ...
Is HT THE ONE that cause bleed. Caps
coarse birch
thats headtaker they are likely referring to
bloodletter is the bleed on on chain weapons
open pollen
Yeah, how does bleed work here? I assume enemies staggered after the hard cap don't get bled?
coarse birch
HT is power
open pollen
That would make the hard cap make more sense to me.
rocky marsh
HT is power
Make sense now.
fleet zealot
HT is the power on hit blessing lol
open pollen
If bleed uses its own scale then I'd still be confused as to why we need hard caps over just dealing 1 point of damage past a certain point and adjusting the cleave parameters accordingly.
coarse birch
i wouldnt be shocked if bleed applied past the target cap/anything your arent damaging given crit CDR applies to anything you hit at all
misty nova
Afaik, bleed only on damaged targets
north sedge
We've seen capless bleed....never again
coarse birch
wasnt that capless as in it didnt cap stacks
misty mason
Bugged cappless bleed stacks was a joy
coarse birch
ah right
north sedge
It's why people pissed themselves in joy over knife for so long
coarse birch
yeah i knew bleed used to be stupid
misty mason
Wield knife, throw stun nade, everything starts bleeding progressively worse until it dies
Poke crusher once for 2 damage. It bleeds progressively worse until it dies
north sedge
yeah i knew bleed used to be stupid
The crazy thing is it got patched in like, 2-3 weeks, but the myth lived on
misty mason
I think even hitting a bulwarks shield procced it
north sedge
And the punch would bleed them too
open pollen
Aye. Bleed is a better reason for having hardcaps than MK balance.
Because you could always just remove cleave blessings on certain MKs if it was really that important.
What is the current state of bleed anyway? Still bad?
north sedge
It's ok if you can apply alot of bleed quickly like ogryn and vet
coarse birch
Ogryn and vet also just get it for free
visual stream
Vet's bleed talent is pretty horrible by itself though iirc, right?
open pollen
Are there any weapons that apply bleed as a base? Or is it all blessing based.
sterile basalt
Are there any weapons that apply bleed as a base? Or is it all blessing based.
Veteran with serrated blade
Ogryn with batter
fossil crag
Are there any weapons that apply bleed as a base? Or is it all blessing based.
scourge on zealot but you need to crit
open pollen
There was a bit on bleed in the pinned messages. But I am not sure how to view those on mobile.
sterile basalt
But serrated blade only exists to be used with a specific blessing
nimble fiber
sterile basalt
What is the current state of bleed anyway? Still bad?
Basically if u can get to 10+ stacks of bleed very quickly, it’s ok
Otherwise it’s not worth it
misty mason
Can be useful for crit boosting for zealot too
misty mason
Bleed on crit, chance to crit increased on bleed
fleet zealot
Yes i am aware
fossil crag
misty mason
Which you should run on a crit build
misty mason
I know
sterile basalt
Scourge feeds itself
what did u mean by mk6 knife target cap
fleet zealot
Unless you are playing extra low int malice
acoustic briar
Zealot mains, psyker main here, since you all love your fancy melee weapons I'd like your opinions on this knife I got
ivory marlin
Good morning zealot chat (its 4 pm i work in an hour)
fleet zealot
what did u mean by mk6 knife target cap
I may be wrong, but it simply cant hit the amount of enemies to make haymaker worth
misty mason
Im just saying there is a use case for bleed on zealot builds, not that you should bring kit to help get more bleed
sterile basalt
I may be wrong, but it simply cant hit the amount of enemies to make haymaker wo...
Oh for haymaker yea it’s not worth
fleet zealot
I know ogryns and vets go on about their bleed enabling synergies
sterile basalt
But it doesn’t have target cap like XV evicerator iirc
nimble fiber
Good morning zealot chat (its 4 pm i work in an hour)
hello work in an hour, how u doin
fleet zealot
But it doesn’t have target cap like XV evicerator iirc
My bad for using wrong term
But we don’t really benefit from them
sterile basalt
All good just a bit confused
fleet zealot
It’s just flavor and feel good points, with our crit builds we self sustain so easily
visual stream
Good morning zealot chat (its 4 pm i work in an hour)
Hello jail hail fair
fleet zealot
If scourge and blazing got nerfed, maybe
ivory marlin
Howdy
misty mason
It’s just flavor and feel good points, with our crit builds we self sustain so e...
ye
ivory marlin
rest a bit
Making some food rn then ima fully get ready for worl
misty mason
I think low stacks of bleed can be useful for builds that fall just shy of breakpoints too, mostly on ogryn
misty mason
Like if your heavy sweep doesnt quite kill some trash, having bleed proc and kill them is handy
nimble fiber
Making some food rn then ima fully get ready for worl
had some seafood pasta in an Italian restaurant today, shit was good af
fleet zealot
It’s kinda like softer soulblaze talents from psyker
misty mason
Not build defining, but some genuine use there
fleet zealot
It adds up
misty mason
Yeah
ivory marlin
That sounds delicious
nimble fiber
sterile basalt
I think low stacks of bleed can be useful for builds that fall just shy of break...
For shield ogryn yea
ivory marlin
Im getting thres leches cake for my bday on Saturday
sterile basalt
Most of ur single target Dmg is from batter’s bleed stacks + Skullcrusher stacks
ivory marlin
Its so hype
nimble fiber
cake would actually be fire rn
fleet zealot
Im getting thres leches cake for my bday on Saturday
Lets go
nimble fiber
fleet zealot
nimble fiber
void bison
median steeple
fleet zealot
One of my favorite bugs, the “my zealot just ate a bee and got stung in the mouth” look
austere grail
Decapitator combat axe
fleet zealot
Decapitator combat axe
highest cap you can get with BM, not worth it cause it is very inconsistent
headtaker is just really consistent, then deci is a balance between the two
fleet zealot
Decapitator is way more fun to me
it is, but it doesn't really give any meaningful breakpoints, and can drop some when it is low
austere grail
Dopamine breakpoints
merry flume
me if haymaker worked properly on cleave knife : 
merry flume
this character sucks actually (they hate mushrooms)
austere grail
So is it true that the rashad is strictly better than antax for BM?
Because cleave mod doesnt matter?
fleet zealot
basically headtaker will basically give you everything and stay that way, decimator ramps up more damage
fleet zealot
So is it true that the rashad is strictly better than antax for BM?
yes
finesse mod also gives a bit more weakspot damage and attack speed
fleet zealot
yea, and all the skins use the rashad base i believe
besides cash shop ones
if you are on pc you can get WCM but otherwise, stuck with rashad (i dont mind it personally
austere grail
I tried using third axe with the horizontal heavy but it felt very weird
Never see people use that one really
ivory marlin
i have finished making my orange chicken
lusty harness
orange chicken is awesome
fleet zealot
I tried using third axe with the horizontal heavy but it felt very weird
that cause for maniacs, caxe lights do more than caxe heavies
which is dumb
sterile basalt
yea, and all the skins use the rashad base i believe
They use achlys model
drifting wolf
https://tenor.com/view/chris-big-nathan-jack-gif-18675724
i encountered a toad while mowing the lawn a few days ago, i used my amphibian collectors (hands) to grab him and relocate him to a dark and damp place that most toads would enjoy living in
austere grail
Is achlys better than rashad at anything
misty nova
Looks better
icy otter
Hey guys o/
icy otter
I saw a build using a Rat Knife or smt, how do you get those? Mission drop?
fleet zealot
achyls is the weird sibling
fleet zealot
I saw a build using a Rat Knife or smt, how do you get those? Mission drop?
what
drifting wolf
doom 2016
fleet zealot
we have combat blades weapon and throwing knives in our grenade slot
drifting wolf
cruelty squad
maiden path
2 ugly................
austere grail
Thats the point
drifting wolf
your eyes will adjust to it
maiden path
then i will be too addicted to stop playing
icy otter
The Rat's Claw knife, I don't even want it
drifting wolf
and then when you go back to a normal game you'll get a headache
austere grail
it will give me super headache...
Thats the point >:)
icy otter
It just got me wondering about rare itens
misty nova
The Rat's Claw knife, I don't even want it
Most likely a mod
austere grail
Its a mod to rename weapons
icy otter
Most likely a mod
Dangggg would never guess that
icy otter
Its a mod to rename weapons
Ty man, ty y'all
drifting wolf
The Rat's Claw knife, I don't even want it
the giant rat
maiden path
The Rat's Claw knife, I don't even want it
hehe i know that build
icy otter
I'm super new to the game
austere grail
Welcome
icy otter
Ty man /webhug
austere grail
Knife is pretty hard to use out of all the melees
icy otter
Yeah, that's why I'm not doing that build
maiden path
Knife is pretty hard to use out of all the melees
maybe if ur STUPID
misty mason
(cause knife bad)\
icy otter
I just needed to know how to get, cuz it seem so VIP
maiden path
theres a reason u only see stealth knife zealot........
austere grail
The short range means you need to know how to dodge and block everything
icy otter
Anything bad from the rat build is totally skill issues
austere grail
Which takes a while
misty mason
I'd consider knife the strongest melee for zealot
youd be very wrong about that
fleet zealot
knife has no stagger, low targets
not to mention while it is great if used properly
maiden path
I'd consider knife the strongest melee for zealot
dclaw.........
fleet zealot
people craft it and use them terribly
without understanding what is great about the weapon
austere grail
I think the ability to kite everything easily makes it a contender alone
shell lichen
What is it that puts the knife at the top?
austere grail
The speed is so powerful
To me, its the combination of all-around damage to every enemy type/density, the great dodge distance, and #1 the heavy attack lunge speed boost
fossil crag
mk6 knife is best weapon for me
austere grail
Same
If I had to play an incredibly hard maelstrom with the director going crazy, I would go knife
Bleed on crit and uncanny on the mk6 is my favorite.
shell lichen
Stealth build to go with? Or something else?
maiden path
are you playing knife with fucking piety
misty mason
😬
austere grail
Thats what I said isnt it
frosty herald
knife already has a high crit chance
maiden path
i think you have a brain tumor
frosty herald
but crits also do like 1.9x damage
frosty herald
i think you have a brain tumor
hushed agate
Piety really benefits from high cleave weapons
Use heavy sword :)
maiden path
HEEEEEEEEEYAH
misty mason
Use heavy sword :)
Ye hsword and piety is a good combo
austere grail
Just like knife piety :^)
maiden path
do not uise knife piety
austere grail
Do use
misty mason
I mean in terms of synergy, knife doesn't go well with piety
austere grail
I mean uise
misty mason
Not saying you can't do well with it
hushed agate
austere grail
Not saying you can't do well with it
Yeah, you're probably right that it isnt the most optimal scaling possible
misty mason
Dclaw, Rashad, hsword probably the best piety weapons
Dclaw and rashad have finesse
Hsword has huge cleave
And is fast
More crits, more CDR, more ability spam
austere grail
I loved seeing my crit chance go up to 80% with knife piety. But I think your point is that the knife attacks so fast it doesnt need to go above a certain %?
fossil crag
I play with the dash and blazing piety
i play like this aswell
misty mason
Its more that the knife has poor cleave
fossil crag
mk6 doesnt
misty mason
relative to other weapons
hushed agate
Shroud piety
fossil crag
just do heavy +push attack
and on the push attack aim it left to right with your mouse
austere grail
Why wouldnt I want to crit on more of my heavy attacks vs elites and get to 16 bleed stacks more reliably?
fossil crag
Why wouldnt I want to crit on more of my heavy attacks vs elites and get to 16 b...
btw
sometimes if you one shot people with heavy
you dont get scourge
so sometimes i aim at the foot
austere grail
💔
hushed knoll
relative to other weapons
misty nova
https://tenor.com/view/mono-smt-why-is-everyone-so-mean-gif-24818968
SMT V mentioned, what the hell is a bad game
fossil crag
Why wouldnt I want to crit on more of my heavy attacks vs elites and get to 16 b...
lemme know if you want to run some knife gameplay with me
👀
i wouldnt mind a fello knife enjoyer
coarse birch
<:peepoBedge:972931189851697173>
rude response
misty mason
<:peepoBedge:972931189851697173>
🇺
maiden path
guys im swagging
hushed knoll
rude response
This is a rude response
coarse birch
This is a rude response
incorrect
hushed knoll
coarse birch
why do you react to the weirdest things with that emote
hushed knoll
Why are you questioning me
austere grail
Do not dare question stan
misty mason
No one knows why Stand does anything
coarse birch
i generally need to question stan
misty mason
Im gonna leave that
coarse birch
stan can be a confusing man
misty mason
stan can be a confusing man
can is doing a lot of lifting there
hushed knoll
Do not dare question stan
THANK YOU
hushed knoll
Do not dare question stan
I ate you the other day
austere grail
It was My pleasure
misty mason
hushed knoll
coarse birch
ok i will never question stan again
austere grail
Yummy
hushed knoll
can is doing a lot of lifting there
What
hushed knoll
ok i will never question stan again
What do you mean
hushed knoll
Yes
austere grail
Yeah
coarse birch
you seem like you dont want me to question you anymore
fleet zealot
austere grail
Have you ever tried alaskan king salmon
coarse birch
why are you confused
austere grail
Like 30 bucks a pound but worth
hushed knoll
stan can be a confusing man
What about me is confusing
hushed knoll
can is doing a lot of lifting there
Can?
north sedge
I’m just co fixed
I assume it's better than being co broken though
hushed knoll
OMG HI DOUGH HI DOUGH ITS FRUITY SUCK SUCK TIME
coarse birch
What about me is confusing
i mean i can start with you micro waving your ice cream to start off easy
hushed knoll
Aka I’m about to drink a smoothie
spare dome
im leaving
north sedge
OMG HI DOUGH HI DOUGH ITS FRUITY SUCK SUCK TIME
coarse birch
OMG HI DOUGH HI DOUGH ITS FRUITY SUCK SUCK TIME
ALARM
hushed knoll
im leaving
Why
north sedge
I thought you usually saved fruity suck suck time for Saturday nights
hushed knoll
GUYS I JUST REALIZED CRUELLA DE VILLE IS SUPPOSED TO SOUND LIKE DEVIL
misty mason
sometimes you gotta cheat
Can you explain this one to me
hushed knoll
I thought you usually saved fruity suck suck time for Saturday nights
Any day can be fruity suck suck time
Omg I have bran freeze
Brain
misty mason
GUYS I JUST REALIZED CRUELLA DE VILLE IS SUPPOSED TO SOUND LIKE DEVIL
Wait until you find out about the word Cruel
hushed knoll
WAIT
misty mason
Her name is literally Cruel the Devil
spare talon
Can you explain this one to me
misty mason
CRUEL la DEVILle
misty mason
nah
hushed knoll
CRUEL la DEVILle
WHAT
misty mason
Faux French, so Cruel la Deville
So Cruel the Devil
Or The Cruel Devil
frosty herald
la satana
fleet zealot
Have you ever tried alaskan king salmon
what about hawaiian queen salmon? /j
fleet zealot
Any day can be fruity suck suck time
stan
hushed knoll
What does /j mean
fleet zealot
What does /j mean
slash joke
because i have a curse that makes it so people take me literally even when i'm obviously not
hushed knoll
fossil crag
Wht region r u
eu but i can play in one of the american servers with 90-100 ping which is not bad
austere grail
F it we can try a game if I catch you online
spare talon
because i have a curse that makes it so people take me literally even when i'm o...
That literally never happens /j /srs /gen /lh /hj /s
sterile stone
Can you explain this one to me
There's no way you can explain this in any normal way
misty mason
There's no way you can explain this in any normal way
wdym, its stan
This is normal stan behaviour
north sedge
stan once spilled seltzer on himself twice within like 5 minutes while we were playing helldivers
coarse birch
Stan is incapable of drinking anything without making a mess
maiden path
maiden path
chat
what 30 dollar games
are good
is helldivers 30 bucks
i wanna try that game
maiden path
i cant find them!!!
maybe i say fuck it
and play destiny 2
nvm
that games like 140gbs
i'd also need all the dlcs
coarse birch
Destiny 2 being 140 gigs makes sense
visual stream
maybe ill just play minecraft
Modded MC 
fleet zealot
trapped
maiden path
Just don’t except to keep stasis
wtf does that mean
icy otter
and play destiny 2
Do not lol
ornate bone
south folio
can't have shit on tertium
worldly nebula
Have you tried executing the machine spirit and then performing the rites of revival?
worldly nebula
what 30 dollar games
Peglin
digital sparrow
QUestion for those using a flamer
What are good perks for it?
sorry. Ill reword it
Weapon Blessings on it
runic rune
If i would run flechette instead of full bore, would the bleeds have more dmg from no respite?
ivory marlin
wtf does that mean
Its a subclass that you unlock through dlc but even tho its free rn after its no longer free you’ll lose it unless you owned the dlc
fleet zealot
If i would run flechette instead of full bore, would the bleeds have more dmg fr...
Maybe, but if you go flechette, you go scattershot
So you actually proc it
spare talon
Do not lol
I mean
This is literally the best time to see if you like it or not
Since you can literally play everything paid for a month, save for the current dlc (unless you're playing on gamepass which in that case the current one is included in that)
icy otter
I mean
This is literally the best time to see if you like it or not
Since you ca...
I mean, just joking around
ivory marlin
Cole no offense but my warlock has more drip than your hunter
spare talon
Plus gunplay in it is sex so
Its worth it to just try anyway
icy otter
I played 700 hours in a single season
ivory marlin
spare talon
Cole no offense but my warlock has more drip than your hunter
It's fine to be completely wrong
ivory marlin
Ignore my scatter signal its an old photo
ivory marlin
It's fine to be completely wrong
The new all black shader is mid
visual stream
Oml look scatter signal
ivory marlin
fleet zealot
I played the destiny 2 main campaign, really liked the fire warlock glide combat
Then i finished it, didnt feel good enough to buy more content at it’s price tag
Left, came back, all the old content gone
spare talon
The new all black shader is mid
I'm just using it cuz funny and new
I use a shader that matches my subclass normally
fleet zealot
Im shoved into a new mission i have no fucking clue whats going on
Who these characters are
Each destiny game gave me some spark, ie i loved slide shotgun in pvp in destiny 1
But nothing else sticks
spare talon
Left, came back, all the old content gone
Yeah that's still the worst thing they've done
And they did it for 3 reasons
fleet zealot
And they did it for 3 reasons
Any of the reasons is overall dumb
Have the content in packs for download, dont force players to download 4k textures, learn to compress your files
Besides getting rid of old kalimdor and eastern kingdoms and replacing them in an overhaul, wow has kept most of it’s content throughout the years
