#zealot-class

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mint brook
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if you seek to bonk a boss, which is what he is asking for, crit and unyelding is the way

north sedge
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You take unyielding for the bosses flak for everything else/scab cap

mint brook
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maybe flak i guess INCASE you are unlucky and get the chaos spawn

shy river
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Full send t-hammer boss kill build is the only time I would consider crit DMG and honestly I still wouldn't

north sedge
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Crit dmg is one of the worst perks in the game

mint brook
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yeah but as said, user is asking to bonk a boss

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he didnt specify he wants a broad application

north sedge
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Doesn't matter

mint brook
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shrug whatever man

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can not do more than agree but clarify that this is what he asked for

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if you are told to make a motor bike, you dont make a quad

north sedge
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What

paper pine
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He's right

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Crit damage does more to bosses

north sedge
mint brook
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what i am saying is that if somebody asks for an apple dont give them a pear, he asked for boss damage, not a generally good all purpose weapon

hardy gull
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Better off taking crit chance over damage crit damage is the worst perk in the game

paper pine
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No it isnt

north sedge
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Crit chance also not great most of the time!

hardy gull
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it really is

mint brook
north sedge
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But at least usable on certain weapons

paper pine
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Shroud and fury give 100% crit chance so crit chance is pointless

round crater
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Crit damage and weak spot damage are both bad because they are calculated weird

paper pine
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The highest damage from perks to bosses is unyielding and crit damage

mint brook
paper pine
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We arent talking about if the perks are bad or not lol

round crater
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Crit damage would be the teeny tiniest negligible buff

mint brook
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people miss the point harder than i do with my taxes

paper pine
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Still a buff

round crater
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Waste of a perk slot

hardy gull
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of like 10 damage

paper pine
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Doesnt matter

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Thats not the point

round crater
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Whatever dude

mint brook
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the question was "what is best to change here for a boss bonk hammer?"
Not "What is the best change here to deal mainly with bosses but also with other things?"

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read the print

round crater
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It is simply not the best because it is the worst weapon perk in the game

mint brook
round crater
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No need to be so stuck on it

mint brook
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ok forget it, you are not listening

south folio
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i s'pose

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it does bump th special crit multi from 1.3x to 1.33x

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so there's that

hardy gull
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What I run on my IX built off a crit horde clear

mint brook
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you are the one stuck on it cause we already agreed it sucks but its the only thing that really increases the damage of a hit against bosses besides unyelding and weakspot hits

south folio
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yeah but the argument is that the improvement is going to be so marginal that you should really just take another perk

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+3% to your damage on th special crit hits is whatevs

north sedge
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If we're splitting hairs this hard nobody asking for boss hammer advice is thinking "i will only ever swing this at bosses"

mint brook
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like we agree on it, we specify why we still suggested the former, and you go: i heard you, by i am gonna ignore it!

south folio
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well, 1.023x in terms of relative improvement

mint brook
south folio
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and hence we're making recommendations off of that

mint brook
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i wanted for the memes to make a boss killer, i knew the crit wouldnt be good, still did it for the haha

mint brook
calm salmon
# paper pine Still a buff

I'm curious. Do you understand how the crit damage perk applies itself?

Say you do 100 unarmored damage, and 150 critical damage into unarmored.

10% crit damage is 10% of 50(the difference between base damage and ciritcal damage), so 50x0.1=5 | 150+5 = 155

So now you do 155 critical damage into unarmored.

south folio
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nothing

calm salmon
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The same formula is used for weakspot damage.

south folio
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i already agree that it's your only other option for improving boss damage

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i also already have said that i'm not taking a purist interpretation of what that person was asking

south folio
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and also, it's only a 1.023x improvement to your th special on a crit hit

olive raven
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versus 25% if ya do unyielding 💀

south folio
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+2.3% damage

mint brook
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what i got an issue with is the folk trying to be all super optimized and be like "no, bad, no do"

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like mate it be a game, if people ask for one thing, let them, not all of us are terminally online and only play this game with optimization in mind

calm salmon
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There's a reason deadly accurate is +100% critical weakspot damage - and why all of zealot's finesse/crit damage buffs in the tree are in the realm of 30-100%

south folio
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i mean they asked specifically here

calm salmon
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It's a dogshit stat that's applied weirdly so you need massive modifiers to make meaningful differences

south folio
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and if they want to shrug off our suggestions and go for that, sure

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but we're going to give general advice unless they ask otherwise specifically

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i don't run optimal builds myself either

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but if people are going to ask for advice, i assume they're asking for optimality unless otherwise specified

mint brook
olive raven
south folio
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either way, if it's just for "haha", i don't see why you're so adamant
just say that "yeah it's not optimal but if you want to go meme boss damage then crit damage" and end it at that

olive raven
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i mean

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in terms of bonking

mint brook
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its just how some people absolutely foam out of their mouth if they hear crit damage that just urks me, some peeps need to dip their censers in ice

calm salmon
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Uh

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The idea behind their criticisms is sound.

south folio
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well, we have pretty good reason to foam out of our mouth for that

olive raven
south folio
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cuz it is shit

mint brook
calm salmon
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Even if their execution in voicing it can be a little aggressive.

south folio
olive raven
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i mean

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mathematically

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its just also not the best for bonking

calm salmon
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one day crit/weakspot damage will be total damage buffs like flak etc 😔

south folio
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the basis of my argument is that people are imprecise in what they say and when they were asking for a best boss bonking th, they weren't exactly asking to make a compromise just for 1.023x damage on a crit th special

olive raven
south folio
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in that sense, it is perfectly appropriate to point out why +10% crit damage should not be taken, unless they otherwise specify that they were looking to abandon all else just for boss damage

mint brook
south folio
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it is not about what YOU say but about the implication surrounding their question

calm salmon
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do a casual 1600 damage to a mutant with deadly accurate whatthefuck_heresy

mint brook
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also, crit damage needs a big buff tbf to something like 25-50%

olive raven
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the buff it needs

round crater
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I think people get aggressive when they are talked down to when they are only trying to give pointers about a broken blessing

olive raven
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is to apply to total damage

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that would make it actually viable

round crater
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The condescending tone is a little unnecessary

mint brook
hardy gull
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25-50% would be too much imo just make it total multipler or something

calm salmon
olive raven
mint brook
hardy gull
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zealot does go crazy when it comes to crits

south folio
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people were aggressive because you didn't remark on the caveat that it was only a 1.023x improvement to damage on crit th special

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which is a strong opportunity cost compared to other perks to take

calm salmon
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At least Deadly Accurate is good on lasguns now.

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Even if crit math is weird

south folio
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you didn't start off saying that it was a meme option and hence how the conversation turned out

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it just how it be

calm salmon
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300 base damage and 800 critical damage means its a +100% modifier on 500

olive raven
calm salmon
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But that generally shows the issue with crit damage. You need massive differences between base/crit and a huge crit modifier on top.

south folio
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i personally do understand why they would make the calculation that way

olive raven
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ah yes, time to download ultrakill mod

hardy gull
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But now i have to use ammo crates no fun 😦

olive raven
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if i can speak to CS majors mathemtical skills

calm salmon
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The only weapons I've actually noticed the lack of ammo economy now, thanks to survivalist being nerfed, is Ogryn's Rumbler and Grenadier Gauntlet

olive raven
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They arent very good at math

south folio
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because if you're comparing +20% crit chance and +20% crit damage, then you can do the comparison directly with how crit damage is calculated

olive raven
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💀

calm salmon
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but those things have been bad without surv vet since release

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so /shrug

south folio
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except it's also insane that weakspot damage is calculated that way as well

calm salmon
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uh. . . mediocre more than bad

olive raven
south folio
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if anything, crit damage should've been the only thing calculated this way under my reasoning

olive raven
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been out of the loop

calm salmon
olive raven
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LMAO

calm salmon
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on top of the new rounding changes from a few patches back

ember yew
south folio
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people have to loot for ammo now 😔

calm salmon
olive raven
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nerf ogryn...

calm salmon
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they don't need to be Kickbacks 55 or whatever the fuck it has.

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But 35 for rumbler and ~40 for GG would go a long way

hardy gull
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what do you mean i cant spam ranged into hordes anymore?

ember yew
calm salmon
south folio
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kickback still being a menace

olive raven
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time to fucking

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autoclick penances

calm salmon
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Literally everything in the game performs better than GG and Rumbler

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and that's just sad

olive raven
calm salmon
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That or nerf everything to the level of GG/Rumbler I guess

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Take your pick fatshark

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ultimately I don't care

ember yew
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nerf everything to autopistol level

hardy gull
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be based

calm salmon
olive raven
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dude

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penances

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are

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so

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fucking

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annoying

calm salmon
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wish it had the damage of the graia brauto

olive raven
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to

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click

hardy gull
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hold on

ember yew
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this warning system is new

olive raven
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is there a fucking easdy way to just

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collect shit

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no it

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isnt

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new

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im

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jsut

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su\i

calm salmon
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No, the warning system isn't new.

ember yew
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oh, its antispam

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nvm

hardy gull
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wrong thing wait

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there you go

ember yew
hardy gull
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be up too long brain is out on leave

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idk but it does go hard

calm salmon
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I dunno

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their UI work has never been super stellar

ember yew
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clickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclickclick

calm salmon
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Granted: Almost no one does good UI work

ember yew
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penance update experience

calm salmon
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I only hated it on patch day

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I collect my penances as I earn them now

hardy gull
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feels like im back spaming my knife already

calm salmon
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so its only 1 or 2 clicks per visit

olive raven
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freedom

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fucking

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hadron

hardy gull
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also i just checked the posts for that mod and it kinda looked like a steam forum for a second

olive raven
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finally i could just fuckin change my characters name???

hardy gull
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yea i named my guy AverageLondonMan

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but only for knife spam

fleet zealot
# ember yew

smh i'm spending half the map with 0 ammo, un nerf the keystone so I can have FUN.

hardy gull
nimble fiber
frozen kernel
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Oh my aching bones IM BACK

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Got touched by the Serbian warp.

Pro Tip: You’re never too old to fall for a phishing scheme

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Also Discord support is hilariously dogshit so please, everybody…enable your 2FA and do everything you can to hold onto your account. There’s no guarantee you get it back

hardy gull
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sounds about right for discord support

north sedge
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Did you at least get to marry the Nigerian prince

ripe quest
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Had that happen w/ my best friends account and it was like "bro you've never, not once, apologized for anything AND there's a link?" nahhhh

frozen kernel
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lol I just got through going through my backlog messaging everyone they’d hit up to disregard any messages

ember yew
ripe quest
hardy gull
mint brook
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why does no one use the XII chain axe?

frozen kernel
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I didn’t realize I had a literal ogryn on my friends list though. He actually went on to defend the scammer when someone else from another discord tried to tell him the account was cooked lmao

hardy gull
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thats a odd term thank god i dont play pvp games anymore

frozen kernel
ripe quest
# mint brook why does no one use the XII chain axe?

Lotta weapons are good rn and I've noticed that people gravitate towards stuff that has good crowd clear, with an exception to Knife since it got too much momentum at launch. It's a great weapon that makes elites turn into cotton candy, esp for the Twins.

hardy gull
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that'll do it. easy tho be like me and have no friends cant be scammed then

frozen kernel
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I still got bad vibes but ignored the red flags. Going forwards I’m subjecting anyone who sends me links to the discord call sound

ripe quest
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Mk IV Chaxe does too, the lights are wonderful for small elites.

ember yew
ripe quest
frozen kernel
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That’s the funny part, I did check the site and it came back clean

frozen kernel
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It’d existed for a couple months as well

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It really was a good scam

frosty herald
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You could send the link to a developer for an api to help with security

ember yew
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Some people are going creative with scams

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like recent one a scam website emulating Wuthering Waves (new mobile gacha game)

frozen kernel
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I looked into it before I just dove straight in. Antivirus scan came up clean with Windows Defender but Malwarebytes brain bursted that shit

ember yew
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It was pretty big, since the devs even responded to that

frozen kernel
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Literally just a “Hey dude you got a sec?”

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But it must’ve been a whole squad of them because whoever they stuck on my account the next day hit up my best friend like a straight up Nigerian prince

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“helo friend and how r u”

ember yew
frozen kernel
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I was like “Bro if he hit me up like the trog he was we wouldn’t be in this mess cri

frosty herald
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Do you think scammers would fall for ip grabbers

frozen kernel
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Depends how you hid it but probably

mint brook
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like i can kill mutants with a darn heavy 😄

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and hordes just get flung around and killed in 1 to 2 hits

ornate bone
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most scammers are dum asf

frozen kernel
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There was that one guy who would post YouTube videos of him actively pulling up a scammers location while on team viewer with them

mint brook
frozen kernel
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They’re dumdums from poor countries, they don’t do it because they’re smart

frozen kernel
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However I still fell for it so I’m equally dumb

mint brook
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they think somehow that, since they are the scammer, aint no way they are able to get scammed

ripe quest
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Very goofy weapon.

hardy gull
mint brook
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ADM?

frozen kernel
south folio
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adm = armour damage modifier

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caxes unintuitively deal less damage to maniacs on the overhead heavies than the lights

fleet zealot
mint brook
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so guys

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you think this weapon is bricked? it doesnt have the modifiers i want, but i honestly still like it cause those modifiers are ones that are sort of never bad:

hardy gull
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bricked imo

frosty herald
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You better be lucky the gold one is good

mint brook
frosty herald
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Yup

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You can change the perks then

mint brook
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cause thats the one it sorta needs to like hit that TINY sweetspot

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even if i cant, wether i change sprint efficiency or block efficiency, the other modifier is still nice tbf

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like its not AMAZING, but we could have much worse modifiers on that weapon

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like groaner damage or some dumb shit like that

olive raven
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uh

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id tbh take groaner damage over block if it hit a breakpoint

frozen kernel
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Does Evi still run Flakiac for perks?

ember yew
frosty herald
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Its the safest option

ember yew
mint brook
maiden path
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this is one of my favorite songs

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listen zealot chat

olive raven
hardy gull
mint brook
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nono i have mods, i will use the axe with some other stuff to see it ^^

olive raven
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k?

mint brook
# olive raven k?

oh i should have mentioned, i use martyrdom, thats maybe why i hit not new breakpoint

hardy gull
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marty isn't that bad if you stay low hp

frozen kernel
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This is the one I've been running. The MkXV is nice but I really prefer the moveset of the old one

hardy gull
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big if on the low hp

frosty herald
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Very solid evis

frozen kernel
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I had this for trying out the 15 around Twins

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I just really dont like the push attack because my muscle memory is SO used to the MkII

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It's also kinda slow

ripe quest
ornate bone
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do u get anythin from the uh harder version of the twins

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where u hit the bell multiple times or smth

frozen kernel
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I ran this one before perks 2.0 but it's still a decent weapon

north sedge
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A fancy icon

frozen kernel
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^ Fancy icon for Damnation Twins

hardy gull
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and some penacne score

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like only 10 tho

ornate bone
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i dont mean damnation

frozen kernel
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Bells just let you skip to boss if someone's done it before

ornate bone
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there was like a way to make em extra hard or smth

frozen kernel
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You just forfeit rewards

hardy gull
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yea hidden hardcore mode

frozen kernel
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Oh was that it? I just thought it was a skip

north sedge
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Yea we know

frozen kernel
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I didn't

ornate bone
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was wonderin if there was anythin from that

ornate bone
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i did damnation one

north sedge
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A fancy icon!

frosty herald
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The twins were a perfect testing grounds for the mk15

ornate bone
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o

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show

hardy gull
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give me asec to boot up the game ill share a pic of it

frozen kernel
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I've become a laspistol enjoyer

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Why did nobody tell me Ghost + Infernus was disgustingly good?

north sedge
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It's the damnation bells but prettier, basically

hardy gull
mint brook
ornate bone
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hmm

frosty herald
hardy gull
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good most people that run marty dont do it right and give it a bad name

frozen kernel
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I make the vet players blush

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Marty's attack speed is so much fun

mint brook
maiden path
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when anything other then plasma gun and power sword gets good ill play 10x more vet

mint brook
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thats MY axe btw

frozen kernel
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I'm still holding out for a massive Lucius buff

maiden path
hardy gull
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Our axe

frozen kernel
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Bayonet stronk

hardy gull
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hand it over

mint brook
frozen kernel
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Remember when chax was a meme?

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This is so beautiful

frosty herald
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This is my powersword!

north sedge
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I mean there was a while where the bayonet would inherit bm

frosty herald
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There are many like it but this one is mine!

mint brook
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but yeah, i feel like the axe is the only real weapon for martyrdom cause it ticks all boxes as it high base damage, profits from attack speed and has a good cleave and amazing single target damage

hardy gull
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But mom said it's my turn with the axe

north sedge
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🤔

maiden path
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i love powersword

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fucks so hard

vast basin
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I mean you can still get the crusher onehit without marty

hardy gull
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evis with marty is my fav

maiden path
north sedge
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Marty works with everything, there's really only a couple weapons you'd not run on it

hardy gull
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gives the XV the needed attack speed

maiden path
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wriobg nop4

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wrong mp4

frosty herald
maiden path
hardy gull
maiden path
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right edit

vast basin
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momentum works with everything too though whatthefuck_heresy

maiden path
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chat

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post dragonball edits

north sedge
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Nuh uh there was a patch note about it so obviously it cannot be used anymore 😔

vast basin
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meh 25% of the top was a much needed nerf for how much it gives you tbh

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still very good

maiden path
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survivalist rebuff when

hardy gull
maiden path
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i need max ammo 24/7

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i do not care about balance

hardy gull
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use ammo crate

maiden path
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no.

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plasma gun

hardy gull
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yes.

maiden path
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i want to shoot it

hardy gull
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no

maiden path
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yes

hardy gull
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you will have no ammo and be happy

frosty herald
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Make a melee vet

maiden path
frosty herald
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Even as a melee vet every gun is cracked on vet

mint brook
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here if i had power on my axe (please dont mind how much i fucking whiffed here, somehow i am incapable of tracking stuff that isnt moving xD):

north sedge
maiden path
hardy gull
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Idk im no balance god but the class reworks added way too much power creep gotta lower it some how

maiden path
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dont know what itis

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i liked ranged vet a fuck ton last i played

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cant get into it now

frosty herald
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Momentum was nerfed based on usage

north sedge
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🤔

maiden path
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i think the vet nerfs fucked with my brain

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idk..

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maybe its the gun

mint brook
frosty herald
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Most used keystone for zealot probs by a significant margin so they want people to rather use others now

obtuse stirrup
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I think they made Inexorable Judgement better for bad players and worse for good players

maiden path
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i need ghost on my XII probably

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isnt that the blessing that makes you invulnrable to ranged after a headshot

obtuse stirrup
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I always thought Piety was the popular one though

maiden path
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ghost fucks

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even at level 3 its 800ms of invinsibility

vast basin
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yeah I wouldve expected piety to be more popular

hardy gull
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Nah it's cause of all the knife zealots that displace how popular it is

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I would know I'm one of those trash knife zealots i know my kind well

maiden path
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I HATE STEALTH VETS

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I HATE STEALTH VETS

dense field
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But knife zealots run judgement

maiden path
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do fucking ranged like your supposed to vet babies

hardy gull
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they nerfed whatever the speed key stone didn't they I didn't really notice a difference imma be real

north sedge
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I also just don't buy "nerf based on usage" most of the time

dense field
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It has less stacks now

hardy gull
obtuse stirrup
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I run Piety with my knife lol but I think it drops off too much when I go on assassination runs

mint brook
maiden path
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do ur damn job vets!!!!!!!!

hardy gull
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ammo is for me yes. That vet's only job to suck up that ammo

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all for me none for you

deft bobcat
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what are your thoughts on this axe?

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what should i change etc, first time axe user on zealot here

ember yew
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tho Shred is probably better on this one instead of BM

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but you cant change it (unless you leave 4% crit chance there and just use +Flak)

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so just replace perks

deft bobcat
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cool, i think i have t4 shred. if i have a free slot for perk, which should i replace if ever?

ember yew
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just replace groaners with Flak

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this weapon need crits

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also, piety only for max eff

marble flint
ember yew
marble flint
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Just in general though, find piety is just good for most builds

ember yew
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Yeah, probably will get nerfed next

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the #3 node (Momentum) nerf came out of nowhere

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everyone was expecting piety nerf

marble flint
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Very real

jagged aspen
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what weapons would you guys like to see when (if) we get new weapons?

ember yew
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meltagun, some powersword for zealot

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plasma pistol for zealot

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maybe new 2H

jagged aspen
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took the words out of my mouth

marble flint
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I want more 2handers overall

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2hand powersword, just greatsword in general, power-glaive could be cool but doubt

hardy gull
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would love a 2H sword of some type or something with a shield with a one handed melee

marble flint
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Ogryn needs a massive hammer or sword honestly

hardy gull
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kinda like the big guys but not like a maul or whatever it is that thing has

north sedge
obtuse stirrup
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Or a giant steel chair

hardy gull
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power chair

obtuse stirrup
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Hulk Hogryn

marble flint
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Idk, i feel like zealot needs something new

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I love my evis but a 2hand powersword or glaive would go hard

frosty herald
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Power greatsword for vet burning blade powersword/greatsword on zealot force claymore and a big hammer for ogryn

grave nebula
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How to know which weapons have what crit stats?

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base crit chance

south folio
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intuit it through the morphogenetic field (this information can't be found in-game by default)

grave nebula
#

I heard thunder hammers don't got crit... what about crusher

spare talon
south folio
#

most weapons have a base crit of 0%
it's just that classes have a base crit chance of themselves

hardy gull
spare talon
#

Any weapon with actual good critical damage scaling would have a finesse stat, and you can see how much In the stats breakdown too

spare talon
#

For all of them?

royal vortex
#

why is this the description of the knife punch

nimble fiber
#

I always stab with my fist wdym

obtuse stirrup
#

Iirc

royal vortex
#

the stab isn't the problem its the "a good combo starter" being a lie if you are talking about its stagger

royal vortex
obtuse stirrup
#

Ty

spare talon
#

Yeah, you just stab them with your hand like in Jojo

nimble fiber
#

lmao

royal vortex
#

certain automatics (stubbers, i dont remember if its for any other ogryn weapon) have -2% crit chance

obtuse stirrup
#

I think Achlys might not have that penalty?

royal vortex
#

it does

obtuse stirrup
#

Ah, it's just the longer string then?

royal vortex
#

yeah

obtuse stirrup
#

Rare ogryn weapon that actually benefits from it a decent amount, at least vs crushers

spare talon
#

Well, I guess I'm just out right wrong about that but everything else I said is correct

royal vortex
#

psyker also has 7.5% base crit chance (why? who knows)

spare talon
#

They used to the warp to steal it from the other classes

nimble fiber
#

cole can u do backflip pls

spare talon
#

no

nimble fiber
spare talon
#

Okay, fine, I'll do it just this once for nothing

obtuse stirrup
#

Psyker is very crit dependent

#

Mettle is fucking strong

spare talon
#

I guess I can do it one more time for nothing.

nimble fiber
spare talon
#

You just weren't looking

nimble fiber
#

nooooo why didn't u film it

maiden path
sterile stone
maiden path
#

being able tyo remove pysker cape

#

makes it look like a normal shirt

hardy gull
#

I hate it put it back on

maiden path
#

my psyker so pretty

grave nebula
#

How is the Bolt Gun? is it any good? what should it generally be used for with Zealot?

maiden path
#

my psyker looks like he eats bugs

ripe quest
grave nebula
maiden path
#

what the fuck.

ripe quest
maiden path
#

do blessings cross over characters i forgot

ripe quest
#

It's still very much strong but no longer a BiS brainless weapon, Shredder Autopistol got the worst treatment in that it's just bad now.

spare talon
spare talon
#

I could be wrong despite it being my backup main weapon on zealot

grave nebula
spare talon
#

Yeah I'm just stupid then lmao

spare talon
maiden path
#

i have uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

#

'hit 5 enemies or mor for damage boost' on a dclaw on psyker

#

goatd..

ripe quest
maiden path
#

yall are not ready for the type of shit im on

#

hello im here to ask about the opening at this applebees

#

this is just a guy now

grave nebula
#

having a tough time deciding what kind of build to do with Crusher

spare talon
#

Piety crit cdr is good cuz of how many targets it hits for cdr and has good crit damage scaling
Martyr makes it's good damage even better while also making you have one of the safest builds in the game with your hp dr and crushers cc
And momentum is good with everything

maiden path
#

what if instead of darktide

#

it was freaktide

ornate bone
#

this is the most evil thing iv seen

#

why melk why

frosty herald
#

mogging everyone in the everglades

maiden path
#

mogged

frosty herald
#

Might end up joining the enclave and brotherhood

grave nebula
#

is blood redemption a good talent?

#

it seems like it would be really good

grave nebula
grave nebula
crimson mason
#

How much crack were the devs smoking when they added loner to the talent tree? 🤔

opaque island
#

strawman whats that?

crimson mason
#

🤔

opaque island
nimble fiber
crimson mason
#

man, this blades of faith penance is wild 😴

rough galleon
#

The loner, shroudfield, and throwing knives penance has kinda made me want to try being a shitbag

leaden pebble
rough galleon
#

Not that throwing knives or shroudfield are shitbaggy, I just mean going quintessential pub knife zealot

royal vortex
leaden pebble
opaque island
royal vortex
#

if you understand how coherency regen works it actually hardly incentivizes anything at all

#

because it's very close to not being an aura at all

opaque island
#

my team is competent they can afford me not being there, suprise trapper, or crusher group

royal vortex
#

with how little toughness you get from it

rough galleon
crimson mason
#

Less about toughness regen, more about helping eachother out

opaque island
#

best*

royal vortex
#

there's multiple different ways you can be completely useless and not helping the rest of your team and only one of them is running ahead with loner

lusty turtle
royal vortex
#

there's just as large a group of people who refuse to ever hit the W key and fight every single backspawn regardless of what it is

#

and that happens regardless of aura

spare talon
#

Right side piety talents and scourge makes any weapon crit a lot with a total of 55% reliable crit chance
The key is that crusher has good crit damage

For cdr, the main part isn't how often it crits, but how many enemies it hits in its crit, since each hit enemy per crit counts as it's own instance of reduction, which the crusher does pretty well, but gets even better when you use the special activation

lusty turtle
#

they tried to bait the crushers into me so i stealthed as vet and walked away

royal vortex
#

people have been running ahead and doing stupid shit since knife was in the game, which is forever

rough galleon
opaque island
# ripe quest

uh shroudfield backstab heavy dork, or dodge around and backstab heavy

crimson mason
#

I am in gremlin mode rn, zooming across the map alone looking for ranged mobs to stab, i don’t like it but a man’s gotta do what a man’s gotta do chadgryn

opaque island
#

knife has one of if not the best dodge in the game

lusty turtle
maiden path
#

LOL

ripe quest
maiden path
#

i was alone in the morningstar when the emperor callout happened

royal vortex
leaden pebble
#

as a vermintide player who has experienced many arrogant distancing elf players who die and leave, moving to darktide and seeing a talent that supports such a playstyle was pretty interesting

opaque island
maiden path
#

so my zealot just yelled ''FOR THE GOD EMPEROR'' with no one else

opaque island
royal vortex
#

also do note that (at least) most of the time stalkers won't count for penance progress

royal vortex
#

yes

lusty turtle
#

wild

royal vortex
#

it pops up once every ~4 days

#

it's really rare

ripe quest
opaque island
#

that sounds like it could be really difficult or really easy

spare talon
# ripe quest

I watched this happen after I got stomped off the map through a wall by a plogryn
It was a vet with lacerate and no uncanny

royal vortex
#

it's trivial until you get 20 reapers shooting down a hallway with no flank routes

#

which is really fucking funny to watch

opaque island
lusty turtle
#

smoke grenade poggers

royal vortex
#

i never voluntarily play without throwing knives

#

i was coerced into using immo nades for the penance and i wanted to rope myself

maiden path
#

the og.......

opaque island
lusty turtle
#

knives just let u get away with more bullshit

royal vortex
#

i have adapted a muscle memory for knives that does not in the slightest translate to other grenades

#

look at specialist head

#

hit blitz key

#

my hand is filled with grenade

#

i look stupid

lusty turtle
#

you look that anyway

royal vortex
ivory marlin
#

Hi josho

#

And skeleton ig

royal vortex
#

shalom

maiden path
#

the skirt looks badass

#

ignore where its not textured

opaque island
maiden path
#

opium fit

spare talon
opaque island
nimble fiber
#

I can relate to your statement joshonoooo

opaque island
#

also opium fit...i didnt even think of that

nimble fiber
#

played with a nades on accident and tried to trow them into a specialist

maiden path
#

it'l;l probably get fixed eventually

nimble fiber
#

shut up goose

south folio
#

simply never swap off knives

#

i don't know who goose is

nimble fiber
#

real tho

opaque island
#

can i just say i love this goblin meme format

nimble fiber
#

will never switch again

lost cosmos
#

hello

nimble fiber
#

lmao

lost cosmos
#

what did i do

nimble fiber
lost cosmos
maiden path
#

changed da kneepads to blue

#

or gold

#

holy swag

sterile stone
maiden path
#

got my skull fixing helmet on

#

im ready for war

grave nebula
#

or well judgement feels better than piety, it's just that the crit cooldown reductions are so fucking nice

spare talon
ivory marlin
#

guys what should i play

nimble fiber
ivory marlin
#

dd2?

nimble fiber
#

dragons dogma 2

spare talon
ivory marlin
spare talon
#

So I haven't actually tried piety crusher myself yet

grave nebula
grave nebula
nimble fiber
ivory marlin
nimble fiber
#

eh

rough galleon
nimble fiber
#

what else

ivory marlin
#

one sec my screenshotting isnt working

nimble fiber
#

plastic duck simulator

#

play this 1

eternal apex
#

Risk of rain 🗣️

spare talon
ivory marlin
eternal apex
opaque island
eternal apex
#

Based

ivory marlin
#

we have mutual friends

spare talon
#

Quick do I get chick fil a or in n out for lunch

maiden path
#

where my andor fans at

lusty turtle
opaque island
#

in n out i guess

solar gorge
ivory marlin
#

fair enough

sterile stone
#

That's the beauty of the internet

sterile stone
#

You can choose who you do and don't talk to

ivory marlin
#

im playing ultrakill rn tho so later

maiden path
#

idk i dont have a ghif to send

solar gorge
#

why block peole when you can tell them to fuck off

nimble fiber
#

wha why even ask what to playkekW

lean lark
#

i believe that

spare talon
lean lark
#

if you give a random person stealth zealot

#

they'll suck

sterile stone
solar gorge
lean lark
#

because stealth zealot takes more skill than chastise in the eyes of normal people (for some reason)

opaque island
spare talon
vivid hawk
#

is good?

ivory marlin
spare talon
ivory marlin
#

cuz i suck at the actual game

opaque island
ivory marlin
eternal apex
#

Btw, Chat, i have played a whole bunch of Martyr's Purpose (losing HP refunds ability) and I Have Thoughts

opaque island
# ivory marlin yeah

the farthest i got was wave 26 on violent i havent even tried brutal yet, violent was already hard enough

spare talon
opaque island
solar gorge
#

you know what's really bad ?

#

the loner aura penance

opaque island
eternal apex
opaque island
sterile stone
#

See that's just strange pardner

opaque island
#

masochist if you wanna get weird with it

#

you and i both know they exist in the warhammer universe

#

we're talking warhammer not reality

#

though...they do exist im sure

#

wonder how much deeper i can dig this hole

solar gorge
#

the drucharis stole all the masochism

#

there's no more left in warhammer

maiden path
eternal apex
#

Nah but for real, i played with it for a couple days and i was like "yah this is exactly what i want out of my videogame".

And then i went on here and everyone told me its bad because it doesnt work on toughness.
And now, a week later, i'm still convinced its a good option that might not be fun to other people but sure is for me

sterile stone
#

Would you wanna talk to a person with a knife in their hand

#

Interrogating you

eternal apex
sterile stone
opaque island
#

yea yea you shouldnt be taking hits in the first place

eternal apex
sterile stone
#

That would give off the same energy as someone blowing a vape cloud in my face

opaque island
#

what if its your friend you know showing you their cool tricks

sterile stone
#

These are the same people who almost killed someone cause they thought it was cool to electrocute a bullet

opaque island
#

I wish the knife balancing inspect animation could actually be seen by other people and wasnt just the default one

lean lark
#

i wish all knife zealots spontaneously combusted in a fiery explosion

#

not everyone gets their wishes

opaque island
opaque island
true condor
#

This is worth gettin from Melk?

lean lark
opaque island
sterile stone
#

Took two loose wires

#

And put them on a .22

#

The bullet whizzed passed my other friend's face

#

Like almost grazed his cheek

eternal apex
opaque island
sterile stone
#

@ivory marlin It's time I made a grave mistake

opaque island
sterile stone
#

I'm buying stardew

ivory marlin
#

hell yeah

#

based argus

opaque island
lean lark
true condor
eternal apex
lean lark
#

all of my knife zealot encounters have been:
knife zealot rushes ahead
dies
gets rescued
rushes ahead
kills nothing
dies

#

on repeat

#

or they stay in the back and dont kill anything

#

not even picking up plasteel

opaque island
eternal apex
#

Tbf i'm the kinda build that somewhat relies on getting rescued, so i like those

opaque island
#

stereotypes are shitty, i guess is my real point

south folio
#

though most knife players i've met do suck

#

speaking as a knife zealot main

eternal apex
#

Always a pleasure to play with a stealther that reloads my healthbar for 4 more near-consecutive choruses

lean lark
#

the only good knife zealots are the one that bring a flamer to horde clear and grab plasteel

cedar nexus
#

rating chefkiss

#

Highest I've gotten anything

south folio
#

at least with other weapons players can accidentally be good

lean lark
#

swap unarmoured for elites/flak

#

quickflame for blaze away

cedar nexus
#

Why? I feel like flamer is most useful for hoard clearing

lean lark
#

yeah

#

it does it easily without needing +unarmoured

#

or +infested

eternal apex
south folio
#

flamers annihilate trash enemies pretty handily with a few single digits of ammo

lean lark
#

thats why you get +elites or +flak, so you kill mixed hordes in an instant

cedar nexus
#

Ah I see, they die fast enough so i didn't need to put extra damage on that

#

Welp

south folio
#

so you preferentially just go into elites/flak to kill tougher enemies with less ammo

cedar nexus
#

It's locked now catlaugh

lean lark
#

its not

#

you can swap them

opaque island
cedar nexus
#

Ah!

#

Yes, thank you

#

Pretty new to this

opaque island
#

also its fun to be almost dead and smashing through hordes like its nothing

lean lark
#

you dont really need quickflame since you've got +reload anyways

eternal apex
#

Not in a "take damage for free" way, but ogryn want what i have when it comes to crowd-control CC and invulnerability windows

opaque island
lean lark
#

this is the ideal flamer @cedar nexus for reference

#

1k hours and i still dont have quickflame 4 on my flamer

opaque island
cedar nexus
#

I love playing with the flamer so much

eternal apex
opaque island
#

sometimes i do feel like im ruining my teamates fun by just melting the wave with one flamer spam, but its so fun as the one doing it

grave nebula
coral trellis
#

Is rampage and headtaker still a thing for heavy sword?

livid mulch
#

how do you use the heavy sword special attack

lean lark
#

you use it on maulers

#

to stagger them

#

you used to be able to guarantee stagger crushers reapers and bulwarks but

#

latest patch made that nice utility no longer possible

#

so its just for maulers

eternal apex
south folio
#

you use special to depressingly fight carapace

#

cuz that's as good as the heavy sword gets against cara

lean lark
#

unless you're mk6

#

(the best hsword)

#

you can just heavyspam

livid mulch
#

i have a 7 and a 9 pretty well rolled

proper gyro
#

Which fit is the hardest

ivory marlin
#

im better then randos but thats about it

lean lark
#

it just looks like a club that tries to make itself look sharp

merry flume
#

crusher >>>>>>> everything else

ivory marlin
#

@spare talon whats your fs friend code

#

i need another platform to harras you on

spare talon
ivory marlin
#

:(

ivory marlin
#

thats rude argus

median steeple
#

i love killing oliver

sterile stone
#

I didn't even say nothing

ivory marlin
#

you implied that im at the skill level of randos

sterile stone
#

This is lible

lusty turtle
ivory marlin
#

wow guys

#

if i wasnt half awake rn id be so upset

#

idk why im so tired rn

lusty turtle
#

go to bed

eternal apex
#

Ngl, after those death's claw clips, i think i am BELOW rando level

ivory marlin
#

its 2 pm and i woke up 2 hours ago

royal vortex
ivory marlin
#

hi josho

#

you think i have skill right?

lusty turtle
#

who you gonna report me to? myself?

ivory marlin
#

hank

lusty turtle
#

fuck

ivory marlin
#

or aquila

lusty turtle
#

aquila would take my side

royal vortex
#

incan will hear of this (and then do nothing about it)

lusty turtle
#

u gamin josho?

ivory marlin
#

i am but you think im bad

lean lark
#

roughly 2m ordos spent just to get this for hadron to kill it harder

royal vortex
#

ill have to kidnap @coarse birch

coarse birch
#

wha

#

oh

sterile stone
coarse birch
#

yeah i can game

lusty turtle
#

am striketeam 50

eternal apex
#

Tbh i thought martyr's purpose being alright would be a hotter take than it ended up being

lean lark
#

i need the weakspot into flak/elites

#

and cleave damage at 80%

#

thats all i need

spare talon
eternal apex
#

Reasonable community in this game so far, y'all are awesome

lusty turtle
#

we try our best

spare talon
#

I found it

royal vortex
#

u werent around for darcy photoshopping impossible weapon stat rolls

#

when people used headhunters 😔

astral hound
# spare talon

i was surprised nobody was shooting straight into the shield before noticing that 2/4 were dead

lean lark
#

the fact almost nobody runs vraks3/agri iag nowadays really makes me realize how stupid the average player is

spare talon
sterile stone
#

And stopped before it got worse

lean lark
sterile stone
#

Trust

lean lark
#

it wont

sterile stone
#

I know

#

But it's nice to be hopeful

lean lark
#

it isnt

#

especially for darktide

spare talon
frosty herald
#

Trust the process

spare dome
#

i legitimately cant fathom the mind of someone who's been here for over a year and still thinks that it's crafting that's keeping them from truly enjoying the game

#

which is to say i dont think anyone still actively making complaints is going to be pleased when the update drops

sterile stone
#

I personally dgaf about that

#

I just want a coherent story

spare dome
#

and thats also not to say the crafting isnt balls

spare talon
#

Yeah no I think crafting isn't that bad
It's not GOOD, but it's not game ruining like people paint it to bw

sterile stone
#

Like the big issue with DT being a live service

fleet zealot
sterile stone
#

Is how thrown around this game's story is

#

You have people praising you for being the best

lean lark
#

crafting isnt bad because once you reach the "endgame" the only bonus you get from crafting is like

sterile stone
#

Then the next mission

lean lark
#

maybe a 1-4% dmg increase

sterile stone
#

"You ain't shit"

#

Like some consistency my guy

#

PLEASE

spare dome
#

darktides story could be improved by cutting out everything that happens after grendyls speech

sterile stone
#

I mean rescuing Zola is kinda why she trusts us

lean lark
#

darktides story could be improved by not having one

sterile stone
#

With important shit

spare dome
sterile stone
#

But it's never explained why Grendyl thinks we're his top people

#

When we never fucking met grendyl

#

Bro is just like

#

"I trust these four people who I'm getting mixed reports about"

#

Like nothing about that makes sense

fleet zealot
#

i don't think we are grendyl's best? have they said taht lol

sterile stone
#

Yes

#

You can litterally hear the Nobles say this

#

In one of the missions MArrow controls

lean lark
#

i dont exactly think theres another group of 4 individuals that are killing beast of nurgles on an hourly basis

fleet zealot
#

grendyl been notified of us through his vox device, in plain text while he gets to go have his fun single player RPG ala rogue trader style

#

that's my headcanon

sterile stone
#

Mfw we're gonna be DLC characters for Grendyl's single player game

spare talon
#

Someone just brought there dog into the store and it looks like it's never been groomed in its entire life
Some people shouldn't own dogs

fleet zealot
#

rannick is just his desk boy to do the busywork while he does cool stuff

sterile stone
frank night
#

we are the mission table npcs from dragon age

south folio
#

kill mittins

fleet zealot
#

he is probably cool and has interesting npc companions 😦

frank night
#

were you waiting for me to show up

south folio
#

no i just caught you at the end of a game

frank night
#

did u win

south folio
#

and i have discord on a tablet and with a keyboard ready to insult you

#

yes i won

#

i never lose

frank night
#

well done my friend ( :

sterile stone
#

I don't think we'll ever meet Grendyl

lean lark
#

100% winrate

sterile stone
#

Just get these vague hints

south folio
#

100%

lean lark
#

i just alt f4 before losing

#

so

#

100%

frank night
#

except for that one time he exploded his own brain 4 times before we got wiped by a boss spawn