zealot-class

[solar gorge]

plz

[vast basin]

Yeah and FS has no prior experience with horde games right?

[solar gorge]

i just want to drop them somwhere and watch them collapse

[frosty herald]

did you see the helper robot leak?

[steep flame]

i want the apc or whatever it is

[solar gorge]

yes

[visual blade]

very versatile class with many viable weapon combinations btw

[solar gorge]

i'm guessing the robot thingy will be a bosco for solo play

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/sienna-kerillian-vermintide-rat-gif-23310770

[solar gorge]

to open bunkers maybe

[frosty herald]

the thing i want the most is the supressor primary and the front facing energy shield

[ember yew]

Chaos Space Marine captain as a boss when

[steep flame]

a captain!!!

[vast basin]

Never because we would melt if we were even in the same zip code as a plague marine

[frosty herald]

make the dregs leader a chaos psyker

[steep flame]

maybe like a wounded marine or something

[solar gorge]

we already breathe nurgle tainted gas on the regular

[steep flame]

arent those just what the witches are

[frosty herald]

nope

daemonhosts are humans possessed by demons

[open pollen]

I mean, thats the smart way to do it, no? A lot of players, myself included, tend to lack self control when it comes to consuming content.

[steep flame]

right

[solar gorge]

it's smart i don't deny it

[steep flame]

its kinda in the name huh

[ripe quest]

I hope that the airburst rocket launcher is 1:1 and just bombs you half the time unless you use it for AA.

[solar gorge]

but people falsly say that arrowhead works very fast

when they just came prepared

[frosty herald]

these sets are all finished and not released yet

[open pollen]

Being prepared is a sorely lacking quality in the games industry. So can you blame folks for not reaching that conclusion?

[frosty herald]

theyve got enough content

[open pollen]

We still have the toxgryn. At least.

[ripe quest]

Some of them are not finished.

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-gif-23501265

[ripe quest]

Some of those don't have names or even a modifier. Also the models aren't done on all of them. There are a good number that aren't included w/ that screenshot.

[frosty herald]

mostly finished™️

[ripe quest]

I'm under the assumption that the armor without an armor mod is intended to have a unique one but that unique modifier isn't finished.

[steep ginkgo]

Or a genestealer

[open pollen]

Besides, the turn around for cosmetic items is much faster than maps and enemies.

[steep flame]

theres still this 2 handed power sword that hasnt been implemented yet

[frosty herald]

people bitched about the arc armor having generic modifiers until they released

so its very obvious the modifiers are done as the last thing

[ripe quest]

From the sounds of it the Illuminate are around the corner, devs are teasing about their presence in and out of the game.

[frosty herald]

100%

[ripe quest]

There are a few stratagems too. Probs the next main stratagem we get is the Emancipator mech because it's for the most part finished.

[frosty herald]

they even acknowledged illuminate kills in the tracker

[open pollen]

Imagine if FS launched DT without the scab faction and then like, made a big show of them showing up.

[steep flame]

that'd be genius

kinda like how they were doing with the genestealers

but like

that didnt actually exist

[open pollen]

Aye. Except on a more timely schedule.

[frosty herald]

illuminates are going to be very big

wouldnt be surpirsed if they came alongside a new warbond

[shy river]

I saw that vid of a dev just dropping a halo warthog in a public match I want that strategem

[steep flame]

yeah i dont really get the whole thing with the halo warthogs

like, aint that a little uhh

infringing?

[frosty herald]

bruh

[open pollen]

Isn't warhog just generic space jeep?

[frosty herald]

halo doesnt own the concept of machinegun mounted on all terain vehicle

[shy river]

It's not literally a halo warthog

Also that

[steep flame]

yeah

literally just a warthog

[frosty herald]

otherwise the middle east wouldve been sued 20 times by microsoft

[open pollen]

Strategem just old toyota pickup with mounted m60 on back

[spare dome]

the warthog was generic when halo came out

and its still generic lmao

[steep flame]

nah

its too iconic now

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/technical-toyota-m163-vulcan-gif-21583566

[spare dome]

sure, if you play halo

otherwise i just see 'that jeep from rambo'

[open pollen]

Warthog looks like something you'd buy from an asset store.

[steep flame]

😭😭

[spare dome]

THIS is iconic

[frosty herald]

bruh its just a buggy

[spare dome]

you dont need to know shit or even have the full picture to know what that is

[frosty herald]

one time joel spawned into a mission dropped an apc and then left lmao

[spare dome]

what that drone doin tho

[steep flame]

that aint a warthog

[drifting wolf]

fat sniper lol

[frosty herald]

ngl

i absolutely love how that heavy armor looks

[steep flame]

i was yapping about this

[frosty herald]

it is an unnoficial acount

[median steeple]

Gyatdamn warthog

It posts shit from reddit

It's one of those accounts

[steep flame]

lol

[frosty herald]

FAN THING FROM REDDIT COMING TO THE GAME REAL

[median steeple]

Foul beast

[shy river]

You mean someone would do that, just go on the Internet and tell lies?

[steep flame]

me when theres a helicopter within 2 (two) kilometres

well i mean, there is an unused apc in the files atm

[median steeple]

For the lady

[viral hare]

everything on Reddit is truthful because someone on Reddit told me so

[median steeple]

I gotta redownload vt2

[steep flame]

fr

[frosty herald]

https://youtu.be/ruTbE7ZC6Eg?si=zw_5Yvy_v2qfb2tH one of the worse clickbait channels

[steep flame]

thats for later tho

i gotta play fallout again

💯💯

[median steeple]

This is my fav reddit post so far

Like what other town

[nimble fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-show-the-ghoul-cooper-howard-gif-5087114750724411512

[steep flame]

i just go to ryken vwhatever

[frosty herald]

theres one channel thats the actual worst with clickbait

[median steeple]

That was the first defense major order we've completed no?

[frosty herald]

we did one before

[viral hare]

crooked ah thumb

[frosty herald]

but this is the hardest order we have completed

[steep flame]

real

[frosty herald]

i cant find the dude's channel but it was low effort ai thumbnails with reddit posts in the thumbnail as coming future content

[viral hare]

Thank god I don’t have a crooked thumb

[median steeple]

Epic

Ohno

The blues

[frosty herald]

illuminates are coming def

[median steeple]

That's like saying the sky is blue

[frosty herald]

erm

the sky is actualy purple

[median steeple]

Fuck you it's green

[viral hare]

Ermm ackshually the sky doesn’t have a color it’s the blue light that makes it look blue

that or some dude is pointing a really big colored flashlight at the sky

[frosty herald]

also the hilarious helldivers 2 is losing players stuff

[viral hare]

hey tanner said helldivers is a dead game so it must be true

[frosty herald]

tanner is darktide's biggest whiner

[median steeple]

I'm just waiting for the bot spawns to be returned to normal because fighting a billion hulks isn't fun

[viral hare]

crazy how his videos would be good and informative if he didn’t actively complain and talk shit for the entire length of the video

[steep flame]

real

its just amr food regardless though

[ornate bone]

my god

just did this

plague ogryn and literally everything on boss fight

[viral hare]

That sounds hilarious

[ornate bone]

and the fukin pox gas covering entire room

[steep flame]

need more of these in helldivers

[ripe quest]

Arc Thrower, AMR, Railgun, AC, Laser Cannon, and HMG.

Esp Arc Thrower if you can lasso the thing you get Hulk 2 shots and if you miss it still stun locks them.

[sterile stone]

[open pollen]

The flavor text on the new ogryn GG reskin mentions how the Ogryn likely got help with the decoration and I love the idea of an Ogryn approaching some guardsmen and being like.

"You paint good. Paint my gun, NOW" and slamming their GG on the table.

[viral hare]

Hope there’s more customization options in the future for weapons (and vehicles when they come out)

[steep flame]

the guy who made it said there wont be

[viral hare]

aw

[steep flame]

mhmm

[ornate bone]

https://youtu.be/75p0YeecIAc?si=Yvji43q5Rtz8qe9T&t=10 how i feel after

never again

[calm salmon]

I like that none of those armor sets would have matching capes.

When do we get more capes Arrowhead

[ornate bone]

i use the one from 2nd warbond

[fleet zealot]

what if arrowhead and fatshark kissed?

[calm salmon]

(they should just be included with the torso armor, #cmv)

[open pollen]

Imagine alternate universe where the crafting rework adds weapon modification.

[fleet zealot]

and had a tragic relationship of star crossed lovers

[frosty herald]

keep in mind these sets are unfinished

[ripe quest]

There are a good number of unreleased capes that would match those armor sets.

[frosty herald]

and credit shop sets dont have capes

maybe they should do credit shop capes

[calm salmon]

I'd use a literal 40k bolter in HD2, and a literal MG-43 in Darktide

gimmegimmegimmegimme

[fleet zealot]

nah, maybe next year, i'm still 50/50 on them doing a weapon customization update but I doubt it would be this year

[steep flame]

hell yeah

[frosty herald]

i can always use the short slope cape in black

[open pollen]

"Oh no, looks like theres only one drop pod left. Guess we gotta share ;)"

[viral hare]

I want to put truck nuts on my tank

[fleet zealot]

partly because fatshark seems to be enjoying the variant system

[calm salmon]

this is who you're sharing it with

you still wanna?

[nimble fiber]

[open pollen]

Lets just say the landing's not the only thing that'll be hard.

God damn this chats warped my brain.

[viral hare]

Perils of the warp irl

[calm salmon]

Yeah, it be me cause ogryn strong! Arms always hard!

[ripe quest]

It's easier to conform to their bandaid-fixed weapon system than to finish the OG customization system. They probs won't do weapon customization based on the upcoming weapon crafting update, they'd rather just fix the current one.

[tardy cave]

not ideal but i guess it'll do? https://imgur.com/a/k0Khyfc

rip. how the hell do i link pics in here when i only have the poll option

[calm salmon]

I don't even really know what Fatshark could possibly do to fix the current crafting system.

Pay plasteel to break locks?

add a new resource to upgrade weapons to red for 100% in all stats?

[fleet zealot]

need toc hat until your name turns red

[ember yew]

replace Shred with brutal momentum

[tardy cave]

oh ok i figured it was a new user thing

[calm salmon]

I dunno. The current system just doesn't really feel like it has anywhere to go.

[fleet zealot]

to stop people from being new and spamming bad images

well, it is itemization being reworked, and the biggest issue is crafting

[tardy cave]

im running piety so me likey crit 🙂

[fleet zealot]

so i'm betting 90% that crafting is the one going to take the biggest changes

[fleet zealot]

take BM it lets you kill 4 elites in one swing

fury of the faithful gives you a guaranteed crit if you really need it, but axe really doesn't use crit well and uses flat damage bonuses way better

[calm salmon]

yeah, replace shred with brutal momentum

[ember yew]

A) You dont need crit on Antax 5 B) Im lazy to explain in detail, but you will be killing much more targets with Brutal Momentum

[twin goblet]

I just hate having to scrap 380 weapons because it rolled like crap

[calm salmon]

blazing piety gives you all the crit chance you need

[tardy cave]

my highest BM is rank 2 so im using what I got. I do have head taker though

[viral hare]

Main issues currently are: getting high mod weapons can cost anywhere from 20k to 200k, diamantine has no point, and blessings are pure rng. I honestly don’t think plasteel cost is the problem, it’s the recurring cost of plasteel when you don’t ever get what you want

[ember yew]

could give us a pity system

or something

[fleet zealot]

yee blazing piety and scourge gives 55% crit chance total, and fury of the faithful charge gives a guaranteed crit

Wolferr interragating a reject psyker but the psyker just explodes the entire room with a mega warp peril

[calm salmon]

I don't tend to think of blazing piety as a way to get more damage on zealot

[ember yew]

or just allow us to tinker 3 out of 4 lines

[calm salmon]

I tend to think of it more as of a way to get more procs of Fury

[ember yew]

on the item

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/gustavo-gif-26460070

[tardy cave]

let us break down diamantine into plasteel and upgrade steel into dia... it'll atleast bandaid the issue until a permanent solution is found

[fleet zealot]

if it's being reworked this year, a few months if fatshark keeps their time, no point in bandaiding now

[calm salmon]

Like I said above, I have NO idea how fatshark could possibly fix the system we have now

[fleet zealot]

that's why it's beign reworked

[calm salmon]

i'll see it when it releases

[tardy cave]

yeah true, the time for that banaid was a fucking year ago lmao

[south folio]

by putting a bullet into it

[fleet zealot]

and if the talent and penance rework means anything, it should be a substantial change, hopefully for the better

[calm salmon]

Kerfus, and the other playtesters, will smugpepefrog me every time I ask about it, as is tradition

(All is right in the world)

[calm salmon]

@drifting hinge

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/uh-huh-yeah-yes-nod-pepe-the-frog-gif-16391170

[tardy cave]

headtaker and decimator stack right 🤔

[fleet zealot]

yes but axe needs cleavce

[twin goblet]

Lol

[viral hare]

honestly instead of randomly rolling for blessings, imagine a system where blessings start at tier 1, and further investment upgrades them into later tiers

[open pollen]

They got boxes full of pepe

[fleet zealot]

BM gives you cleave, such good cleave, you can kill 4 elites in one swing

[calm salmon]

oogles and oogles of boxes

[tardy cave]

i already said i only have rank 2 bm

[drifting hinge]

[calm salmon]

makes pal proud

[fleet zealot]

headtaker+deci stacking works on tactical axe

[fleet zealot]

rank doesn't matter

[tardy cave]

I kinda just upgraded it to make a strongish single target axe to fuck around with lmao

[calm salmon]

ah there it is

the smugpepefrog

[fleet zealot]

it literally is 2.5% weakspot damage which is only 0.5% damage total you lose

[calm salmon]

All is right in the world

[viral hare]

Literally unusable

[fleet zealot]

yes, and BM lets you deal single target damage to 4 enemies

[tardy cave]

yknow im gonna go test the combos before i even try participating in the conversation

[fleet zealot]

HT+Deci works on tactical axe, mainly cause it struggles using BM in multiple ways, and it having 3 cleave baseline. combat axes on the other hand, even antax, barely go over 1 cleave

besides antax push attack

[nimble fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/frieren-sip-frieren-sipping-tea-book-gif-1603575268151458399

[fleet zealot]

good idea, testing is good

[ripe quest]

They do. It's a fun setup but limits your crowd clear. Great with Flamer and Kant.

[tardy cave]

alright i understand now

[fleet zealot]

yea if you want an axe with headtaker decimator, and crit build. get a tactical axe

[ripe quest]

One of my main Caxe setups is a double power one, it's a big vibe.

[fleet zealot]

they scale off crit way better

[tardy cave]

i have a few tactical sitting in my inventory i can upgrade, lemme go get them

[ripe quest]

Caxe has some synergy with crit due to the crit mods.

[fleet zealot]

i think the best variant right now is the mk4 tactical but i'm not sure

[paper pine]

https://tenor.com/view/shit-jeff-goldblum-jurassic-park-gif-15006020

[ripe quest]

Mk II and Mk VII.

[tardy cave]

nvm i lied they're both combat

[fleet zealot]

yea exhillious is smarter than me

[tardy cave]

buuut they do both have finesse 🤔

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/pharaoh-the-curse-of-pharaoh-the-curse-of-ra-the-pharaohs-curse-curse-gif-11399353413966969960

[fleet zealot]

rashad is the best mark for combat axe, then antax, then achlys

[ember yew]

it ends on antax

[fleet zealot]

but all of them are good enough, mainly cause combat axes are strong

isn't achlys usuable now

it's just the worst of the best

[ripe quest]

Taxe has higher finesse, the % modifier for hitting finesse hits. The finesse stat listed on a weapon is a modifier to that and not indicative to it being a good finesse % modifier.

[tardy cave]

I have 1 of each

[calm salmon]

if there's any combat axe that deserves one-hit breakpoints, its the achlys combat axe

[fleet zealot]

yee, a stat on a weapon (Or lacking one) simply means whether or not the value is fixed

[calm salmon]

With that fucking moveset, the fact that it doesn't do like 1100 damage to flak blows my mind

[fleet zealot]

a weapon could have surprisingly high finesse but without the finesse stat it is going to be a fixed value across every weapon

[royal vortex]

with thrust and duellist you can one shot muties with the h1

[fleet zealot]

a good example is actually cleave targets with antax combat axe

it does nothing

[tardy cave]

oh my name is red now lul

[ripe quest]

Achlys' H1 doesn't have the 0.5 maniac ADM.

which is fun

[fleet zealot]

you could have 80% cleave targets

[ripe quest]

I have no idea why they gave the heavies a .5 Maniac ADM in the first place but it's something ig

[calm salmon]

Yeah, but then you need to put up with the [vaguely gestures at everything] about the achlys for every other enemy

[fleet zealot]

the mysteries of combat axes

why lights do more damage to maniac than heavies

🤔

[ember yew]

That abomination deserves a buff or a rework

what did they smoke when they created it

[calm salmon]

I mean, the single target moveset could be interesting

if it actually had enough damage to offset it

[fleet zealot]

that's what i'm stuck about OG pre buff chain axe

who the fuck designed it, cause it obviously wasn't the same person, or the same person sober, if the person also made heavy sword and combat axe

[ripe quest]

It is a lot of downsides for the few upsides it has when compared to its sibling variants, however it's def usable. My main one is a meme setup though w/ Shred since it does good Flak, Unyielding, and Cara damage with crits.

[calm salmon]

i hate the phrase useable. i hate the phrase useable. i hate the phrase useable. i hate the phrase useable. i hate the phrase useable. i hate the phrase useable.

[open pollen]

I do have a soft spot for single-target, high mobility weapons.

[ember yew]

Sometimes i see Achlys users in PUG, but the perfomance is beyond horrendous

[calm salmon]

I can grind my face into auric maelstroms with the mk2 recon lasgun

[ember yew]

[calm salmon]

that doesn't mean its good

[ember yew]

facts

[calm salmon]

or shredder autopistol, for a better example

[ember yew]

at least its usable, just takes an eternity to kill a crusher with chastice on

[median steeple]

does not excuse the the spawn rate and bugged fire damage

[ripe quest]

No need to be a wuss I'm just saying that it's still a Caxe despite being the worst of the three.

[calm salmon]

I know I know

I just REALLY hate the phrase "Its useable"

it's such a broadly applied statement that it has no real meaning

[open pollen]

Aye. It doesn't telp you much.

[ripe quest]

Cry about it or smth, it's just a word.

[fleet zealot]

tactical axe carapace damage

is so sad

[ember yew]

well, Achlys is not usable

[fleet zealot]

thing chips away crushers

[ember yew]

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/falin-falin-touden-dungeon-meshi-anime-dunmeshi-gif-17065670312481590204 just wail on them

[royal vortex]

i got up to like 900 dps with vet

and full reciprocity/shred stacks

on taxe2 lights

[ember yew]

that's why Achlys either need damage buff or moveset rework

[open pollen]

I wish we had shredder akimbo

[ripe quest]

Considering the tools we have the spawn rates are fine. As for fire that's understandable, it's much like when Spewers did the same thing and randomly 1 shot you if it even slightly touched you.

[open pollen]

Love the look and feel of the shredder.

And again, soft spot for high mobility weapons.

[calm salmon]

speaking of HD2

arrowhead seems to have touched the Spear silently

It still doesn't work with height differentials for me

but its WAY more consistent on flat ground now

I can like. . . actually shoot chargers and bile titans now

Now, i'm still gated by its mediocre ammo economy, unreliablity for head shots etc

but hey, it actually seems to want to shoot now

[median steeple]

my main problem with spawns in general is that there is more special/elite enemies than chaff

[calm salmon]

ONE HUNDRED HUNTERS AND ONE HUNDRED MORE

[median steeple]

there shouldn't be more hulks than troopers

[calm salmon]

that's mostly a bot front issue, tbh

[median steeple]

warriors are out numbered by hunters

[calm salmon]

bugs definitely swarm you to hell and back with trash mobs

[north sedge]

All hulks i say

[median steeple]

I dont mind rocket hulks

just flamers

[fleet zealot]

is that dependant on missioN?

i remember loading into a mission with extra large and armroed robots

[median steeple]

right now its the MO I think

[north sedge]

1 rocket hulk and rest flamers I say

[fleet zealot]

hated it more than usual

[median steeple]

bots have had increased spawns for a while

[ripe quest]

I haven't seen a change with it really, though I haven't had major issues with lock-ons since I'm familiar with it. Also like it does like 2x the damage and an extra 2x for durable targets at the cost of 2 rockets.

[median steeple]

defense missions are fucked but AH said they are looking into again

[fleet zealot]

yea but it was like a mission modifier maybe?"

idk i just remember seeing the text

[calm salmon]

My favorite was doing One(1) helldive mission, and the first bot drop dropped off 4 dropships of devastators and a single AT-AT

that was enough for me

[median steeple]

no modifiers dont affect spawns

destroying outpost apparently increase spawns for some reason

[calm salmon]

Devastators just are not fun to fight.

[fleet zealot]

ahh, idk. i just know my friends pick the mission and that was the text i saw dropping in

[hard nexus]

yum 4 factory striders that can one shot the gates and the generator

[hard nexus]

that’s so stupid

[median steeple]

aimbot and able to shoot in 90 degree angles goes hard

[calm salmon]

Yeah that's just tied to difficulty. Its the same modifiers on the bottom for every difficulty from uh. . . 6 and up?

[north sedge]

Bring stuff that kills devastators

[fleet zealot]

yea my friends que for the highest difficulty i'm allowed in

"just bring stuff" BRUH im broke and new

[ripe quest]

Is it that or just the time based spawn modifier? Spawns get more dense the longer you're in a mission.

[fleet zealot]

of course I don't have the super ultra anti armor pulse rifle

[north sedge]

That's fine if you're lowbie, puri is not

[median steeple]

both increase spawns

[calm salmon]

destroying 50% of the factories/bug holes on a map increases patrol spawns.

[median steeple]

destroying outposts increase the Heat mechanic around the map

[calm salmon]

Being in the vicinity of side objectives/primary objectives spawns patrols

(Which is supposed to turn off after the objective is finished, but there's an infinite patrol bug where that doesn't happen)

[royal vortex]

i got brought into 7s in malevelon creek the moment i started playing with dough

i had to do shameful things

[median steeple]

dear god

[calm salmon]

which is super annoying. nothing like spawning into a match onto a finished objective and your team has already fucked off and now you're surrounded by 10 patrols

[fleet zealot]

i wish the starting HE grendade

actually did something to enemies

i can drop one right below a charger and it doesn't flinch

[median steeple]

Cant wait till foliage fucking with energy weapons get fixed

[ripe quest]

Bro had his base Lib and Peacemaker lookin like a Goofy Goober™️ only to be hotdropped into a real war

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/rodeo-bull-bullfight-bullfighting-bullfighter-gif-15492159

[calm salmon]

I still bring the stock liberator to helldive

[median steeple]

I run stock lib on bugs and use plasma or the bolter on bots

[calm salmon]

Liberator, Grenade Pistol, Stun Grenades, MG-43, B-1 Supply Pack, Eagle 500kg, Orbital Precision Strike

not. . . really a fun kit for helldive

[north sedge]

🤔

[calm salmon]

but it does everything you'd need it to

mostly just a problem of how bad the ammo economy is for weapons at helldive

Specifically the MG-43, really. God damn using that thing makes me sad.

[median steeple]

we need more assault rifles

[ripe quest]

It having lower damage really hurts it, since it's already an AP lower. Ig it's intended for chaff which it's fine for at least.

[calm salmon]

Stun Grenades>Every other grenade in the game

and that's just facts

[median steeple]

idk man

impacts are still goated

[fleet zealot]

wouldn't the frag be for chaff?

[ripe quest]

If you're taking a base lib and GL pistol you're BOUND to have ammo problems

[calm salmon]

I only use the GL pistol on bug holes

[median steeple]

the lib pen still makes me sad

Im glad it has full auto but I rather just run the base one

[ripe quest]

base lib has the baseline everything including poor total damage and GL pistol for whatever reason has the same ammo economy as the rocket launchers.

[ornate bone]

https://vxtwitter.com/helldivers2hq/status/1783337638868484120?s=46&t=BNXZcGhZu3dr1Unjs14fSQ

[calm salmon]

I don't actually mind the base lib

I think its good even

The only real pain point is brood commanders

[median steeple]

its very usable which is nice

[calm salmon]

1 kill per magazine is sad

That said, sickle objectively better than base lib in literally every single way

ammo economy, dps

horde control

[ripe quest]

The default one is a 3 AP like 320 damage or whatever with a larger AoE. The one most people use looks like a can of beans and is 4 AP with higher damage, smaller AoE and longer fuse time. Just going off of memory at least. The former is seemingly intended for chaff, the latter is just generally better.

[placid fiber]

Ugh, the stupid kidney stone I have started moving today when I was at work...

Today has not been fun since that started.

😦

[calm salmon]

I'm not gonna lie, tying grenade to count to armor was kinda dumb. If the shitty starter grenade were 6 grenades, and got +2 from armors for a total of 8, it'd be a legit contender to the upgraded frag and impact

[fleet zealot]

i have the first 2 nades. one is a frag with bigger range and one is smaller explosion but supposed to more damage and pen armor but damn that sucks

[ripe quest]

It's okish but sports mediocre stats, it's meant to be moved on from (hence the Sickle). Even the Defender is just a straight upgrade with only slightly worse ballistics.

[calm salmon]

"meant to be moved on from"

When Arrowhead has said that nothing is supposed to be a strict upgrade over other choices

[median steeple]

when the other options are straight bad why would I switch

[north sedge]

🤔

That's the base design of like every game with a weapon ever

[fleet zealot]

tbf, fatshark worked on it and now starting weapons like dclaw and rashad are good options throughout the game

[calm salmon]

Realistically, I'd just want a magazine capacity and rate of fire buff for the Liberator.

45>60 magazine capacity

650>800 ROF

Basically just make it a Colt M4 with an extendo mag

[ripe quest]

My opinion on it is it should just be more aggressively tuned. Bigger proportions leaves room for more options and allows for more defining grenades. A 1 meter range difference is often smaller than the angle deviancy of an average player throwing it.

[ripe quest]

They forwent that the moment they added the Sickle with it being a carbon copy base Lib but with better stats. For the most part just about everything has a niche or whatever except for the Lib and Peacemaker, most certainly due to them being the default options. They just went "lets make this the start so everything feels cool, then make them really reliable with ballistics so it isn't frustrating to start with".

[calm salmon]

And AR-23P Penetrator. There's a slim pickings of weapons that are truly bad.

Scythe, Dagger, 23P Penetrator, (give or take) Explosive Crossbow and Adjudicator

None of the above weapons have a niche because they're just. . . so fucking bad.

[ripe quest]

Lib Pen is a modest upgrade to the Lib. Gives you better damage stats when fighting 2 and 3 AV enemies. Lib Concussive too is a sidegrade, trading DPS for far better CC. Lib Pen goes into the 3 AP stuff and Adjudicator just being Lib Pen 2.0, Lib Concussive leads into various CC options and the plasma weapons. Base Lib (most directly) goes into the Sickle.

Also Explosive Crossbow is literally just a sidegrade Eruptor, both are perfectly fine.

[calm salmon]

What even has AP 2.

Or AV2

I just kinda assumed it went:

Unarmored>AV1>AV3>AV4>AV6>AV9>AV10

With the scientist lab being AV9 and the Gunship Factory being AV10

[drifting wolf]

tf is that lab made of

[ripe quest]

Scythe and Dagger tbh I forgot, they do suck a good deal. They do have a niche ig, in that they're hitscan weapons specced into medium enemy DPS. Scythe has something in that, Dagger doesn't though. The Adjudicator is fine. Just meant to be an upgrade to the Lib Pen.

[calm salmon]

Enough armor to require:

120mm, 380mm, Precision Strike, Eagle 500kg, or Hellbomb

and the gunship factory is immune to everything but hellbombs(Extremely bad move, and makes them fucking dogshit to deal with when they spawn in multiples)

[median steeple]

hellbomb should just explode if shot when it's armed

[frosty herald]

the damage just sucks hot ass vs the sickle and ballistic weapons

[ripe quest]

Brood Commander, Hive Guard bodies, all three Bile Spewers, and Stalkers. On bots it's a limb thing, can do some really goofy stuff ig.

[calm salmon]

The problem is that if you're shooting AV3 enemies, you're better off doing it with a stratagem weapon. There's no real room for primary weapons to fill that role besides the Jar-5 Dominator.

Oh, so every weapon in the game is at least AP2

(Cause everything can kill brood commanders)

Cool, so there's like all of one enemy in the game where the Adjudicator and AR-23P might make sense

[ripe quest]

yee, old SnP Breaker was 1 AP.

[frosty herald]

dominator is such a good weapon

[ripe quest]

Yeah that's true. Scythe does have similar weirdness as Laser Cannon though, it isn't always 300 DPS. Highest I've seen was 540 and that's enough to be somewhat competitive.

[ripe quest]

Laser Cannon though has the benefit of being king w/ durable damage and also being 4 AP.

so it can make up for having only 300 base DPS.

[calm salmon]

I've noticed this with my autocannon

Sometimes I oneshot brood commanders in the head

sometimes its two

and I dun get it

[frosty herald]

I want a fully automatic explosive primary

Give me the supressor

[calm salmon]

(fresh spawns too, like patrols I've walked into, so I know they haven't taken damage)

[ripe quest]

5 AV is present in our heavy armor enemies. Interestingly the only support weapon that actually hits for 5 AP is a medium charged Railgun. You need stratagems to hit 5 AV normally, otherwise you're hitting for 4 or 6.

[calm salmon]

thanks for the correction

I wasn't sure if chargers/bts were AV5 or 6

same with tanks

[ripe quest]

Just is due to explosions and them hitting multiple parts of an enemy at the same time.

[fleet zealot]

part of me really likes hd2 but there is def nitpicks

[calm salmon]

(cause RR/QC/EAT can damage tanks to their normal armor)

[ripe quest]

yes all rockets hit for 6. Spear hits for up to 8 based on the angle. Arc Thrower is based with a 7 AP.

[calm salmon]

shooting down into the body of a tank, or into the sides isn't exactly time/ammo efficient

but it WILL net a kill

[frosty herald]

Arrowhead creating the autocannon the most well rounded weapon in the game with insane utility

[calm salmon]

Autocannon is blatantly overpowered

its mad cope to suggest anything else

[ripe quest]

You're better off just hitting the vent or the engine.

Unless you have Spear.

[calm salmon]

Oh, I'm well aware.

I just like to point that out

if the tank is already damaged, and you can only see a part of it

take the shot and kill it

[ripe quest]

Interestingly with Factory Strider it's still 5 AP. Even has some 3 AP parts. Guzzles damage like it's nothing, I'm a bit sad that you can't really kill it by bombing the head.

[calm salmon]

I think I've had all of one AT-AT stay alive for more than 30 seconds

and that was when it was first released

Now they just die immediately

eagle airstrike, orbital railcannon, autocannon, quasar, orbital precision strike all at once

and the thing just fuckin kabooms

[ripe quest]

Yee a lot of popular orbitals and eagles damage them. I've found that it's just best to take a 4 AP weapon and hit the stomach. Lots of weapons kill it in a few seconds.

[calm salmon]

if only bugs were this well designed

But alas, marginal choices for efficiently taking care of BTs

[fleet zealot]

ok so i have the anti material rifle

what armor pen is it and what is the next step up?

preferably i'd like a weapon that isn't one off use

[calm salmon]

Mostly arrowhead just needs to unfuck broken armor hitboxes. The fact that breaking the armor on a BT torso means you can only pen the very bottom edge of it(Upper torso, topside) with the autocannon is super annoying

[ripe quest]

AMR is 4 pen.

[ripe quest]

wdym?

[calm salmon]

Probably doesn't like the EAT-17

Step up from the AMR would be Autocannon

it's the same penetration value, but minus a scope and gets 60 ammunition instead of 45

[ripe quest]

AC does less damage than AMR, would depend on the enemy.

[burnt ivy]

It's finished

Well, the perk got changed to Carapace

[calm salmon]

that, my friend, is bricked

I'd 100% just take rampage off of it

[ripe quest]

Can just swap perks and it's fine.

[calm salmon]

I guess I value mobility too highly

[ripe quest]

Will have t3 Shred locked in though.

[burnt ivy]

I made Shred 4, I kept sprint efficiency and changed the specialist damage to Carapace

[fleet zealot]

i want a weapon that is big anti armor

[calm salmon]

I don't mind the shred/rampage combo(My pick is rampage+momentum but that's personal taste stuff)

[ripe quest]

Which faction?

[fleet zealot]

like, do i run the one use tank rpg

[calm salmon]

I just like flak/unarmored on that particular sword for bruiser stuff

[fleet zealot]

damnb i forogt bugs and bots you want different gear with

[calm salmon]

kind of

Autocannon works on both

same with quasar cannon

[burnt ivy]

That sword sweeps Auric Damnation easily

[calm salmon]

and MG-43

[burnt ivy]

Cuts through Crushers with ease

[calm salmon]

eat-17 also works on both

[sullen forge]

I love how well this image explains the Dominator before and after the buffs it got lmao

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/noted-meme-but-looney-tunes-gif-22310685

[calm salmon]

There's a lot more overlap than people give credit for for kit choices between the factions

people overvalue how strong BTs/Chargers are

and think you need to run Quasar Cannon 24/7 against bugs

[proper gyro]

Me opening up the zealot chat and seeing Helldivers discussions for the 3rd time in a row

[heavy arch]

i like helldivers

i like darktide

[proper gyro]

I can't get into it

[calm salmon]

This is the kit I run for both bots and bugs:

Sickle, Redeemer(Machine Pistol), Stun Grenades, Autocannon, Eagle Airstrike, Eagle 500kg, Orbital Precision Strike - If Atmospheric Interference or +50% call-in modifiers are active, I run the orbital railcannon instead

[proper gyro]

It was fun but it didn't click for me

[calm salmon]

Since you(i'm assuming here, ass outta u and me or whatever) don't have access to all the gigachad premium stuff

[proper gyro]

That and it's on my PC when I do 95% of my gaming on my Xbox

[heavy arch]

ew

[ripe quest]

With bugs it's just taking a 3 AP primary and a rocket (EAT, RR, and Quasar do the same damage, pick the one you like). Can also take a 2 AP primary and just shuffle with Hive Guards, not the end of the world. Alts for rockets are Arc Thrower and Flamer if you want Charger clear, 500kg and orbital precision strike can 1 shot Bile Titans.

For bots 4 AP is fine, AMR is solid there since you can take a backpack if you want one. I'd just take like rocket pods for cannon turrets. If you want to bomb tanks and cannon turrets better rockets and AC/Laser Cannon are your best options. Railgun will hit harder than AMR but you need to charge it. Obligatory Arc Thrower for Hulks insert.

[calm salmon]

I'd say:

Liberator or Breaker Spray and Pray, Redeemer, Impact Grenades, Autocannon, Eagle Airstrike, Eagle 500kg, Orbital Railcannon/Precision Strike

[proper gyro]

I don't like using my PC that much tbh

Might set it up in my basement gaming set up so I'll use it more

[heavy arch]

thats how i feel about my thumbs

[calm salmon]

please don't take a 3ap primary to bugs

That's just how you end up dying over and over to hunters

or running like you're in ancient greece delivering a message 26km away

[fleet zealot]

i've been using the individual shell shotgun

is there a shotgun with better armor pen

[calm salmon]

Slugger

further down in the free warbond

[fleet zealot]

yee

every my friends told me to look for the slugger too

[frosty herald]

If the nailspitter breaker comes soon

[ripe quest]

Breaker SnP and Liberator.

[calm salmon]

something to deal with large groups of hunters

there's not really a stratagem that's efficient at it

[fleet zealot]

what about hydrogen baby vs coughing bomb

[calm salmon]

even clusterbomb makes you get really spammy with it

[fleet zealot]

wait i think i did that joke already

[calm salmon]

you can just eagle airstrike spewers

or in this kit's case

[fleet zealot]

my call ins are 3 turrets and my 3rd slot weapon

[calm salmon]

autocannon them

and autocannon chargers

[fleet zealot]

and no i will not change because it's funny to deploy the squad

[calm salmon]

and your two single target strats are for bile titans

[fleet zealot]

i'll get the drone when i get it

[ripe quest]

An obvious thing to mention here is that just hitting the Charger in the head w/ an AC won't kill it. Puri is either shooting the butt or skid tricking.

[calm salmon]

Basically:

Primary covers: Scavengers, Hoppers, Aphids, Hunters, Warriors

Autocannon covers: Spewers, Brood Commanders, Stalkers, Chargers - Sometimes bile titans

Red stratagems:

Eagle Airstrike is for chargers, or just dumping on a bug breach/bug hole objective

Orbital Precision Strike and Eagle 500kg are for bile titans

And yeah, I'm shooting chargers in the ass with the autocannon. I try my best not to abuse the leg bug because its inevitably going to be patched at some point

[ripe quest]

The Slugger and Blitzer both are 3 AP instead of 2. Due to the fire bug I don't recommend relying on it but fire is 4 AP, the Breaker Incendiary is 2 AP with direct damage though.

Slugger rn is just a worse Dominator though. If you won't have Dominator it's fine though.

[calm salmon]

be arrowhead

Slugger is too good at dmr

nerfs knockback allowing it to do crowd control

still the best dmr in the game

SUCCESS

I fucking hate that arrowhead just randomly turns knobs and thinks they're doing a good job

[heavy arch]

how would u have fixed it

[spare dome]

make it fire TWO slugs

in OPPOSITE DIRECTIONS

that makes it perfectly balanced

[misty ravine]

Turns out that relying on player feedback for balancing decisions, and then hiding as many mechanics as possible from the players, is not a good strategy for balancing

[calm salmon]

hitting the damage dropoff with a fuckin nuclear bomb. I'm talking like 10% damage lost every 10 meters of travel, capping at 50 meters.

[spare dome]

they really do not rely on the former

[heavy arch]

but then you'll get posts about people complaining how its not a realistic slug anymore, since it being able to touch far is rooted in real life

[calm salmon]

No, they use statistics to balance their weapons.

[heavy arch]

and we'll listen to that instead

[calm salmon]

Which only tell half the story.

Its why the railgun got absolutely gutted(PS5 bug lead them to believe it had 2 shot capabilities on bile titans) and fire damage being buffed into comedic insta-kills

[spare dome]

they're not dumb, even when they nerfed the railgun they were clear that it was not an overrepresented weapon in winning games, just overrepresented in general across all difficulty spectrums

people relied too strongly on 'safe' options so they gave it a knock

the shield is still very fukken good, and the railgun is still a top choice for botbois

[median steeple]

it also has the same dmg on unsafe

[ripe quest]

Dominator didn't need a bump to 300 damage, like 240 or 250 would be more reasonable for a buff. Then put Slugger at 300 instead. Gives the same BPs to the Slugger that the current Dominator has, then still makes the Dominator better than what it used to be.

[calm salmon]

it does not. Its ~25 shots to kill a bile titan with headshots now, instead of pre-nerf 5 in unsafe

[spare dome]

it just turns out that making a weapon stun almost every enemy and do full damage penetration on its safe mode alone means players will refuse to engage with mechanics and avoid risk

[calm salmon]

they absolutely obliterated the damage into limbs for some fucked reason

[heavy arch]

i like that idea

[calm salmon]

(the real problem is why the fuck does the bt head count as a limb for the railgun)

[ripe quest]

If you look at how they nerfed the Railgun, the PS5 bug didn't influence the nerf.

[median steeple]

I am 100% sure that was a bug due to the head plates

the rail would already take a crazy number of shots to kill a titan before the nerf

[calm salmon]

it was 7 in safe and 5 in unsafe, reliably so.

[frosty herald]

the dominator is perfect now

[ripe quest]

They made it more of a relative reward to go into unsafe, then knocked the durable damage down to make room for Laser Cannon's buff.

[spare dome]

dominator is without flaw until i miss my tactical reload and have to do the full anim

[calm salmon]

I use the dominator like an SMG because fuck shooting that thing at long ranges

I ain't got the time or want to try and learn lead with a fuckin red dot

[heavy arch]

wut

what does a red dot sight have to do with it

[ripe quest]

The head has the explosive tag on it so it takes a 1/10th of the damage from Railgun. Just based on HP values and the Railguns damage.

[frosty herald]

Dominator has many drawbacks

[calm salmon]

that's fuckin stupid

No matter how you slice that pie

[frosty herald]

Low ammo capacity high recoil slow reload projectile speed

[ripe quest]

Just kinda seems like they really wanted to make rockets the preferred method.

[calm salmon]

It has a bullet velocity of around 300m/s - probably closer to 330 or so. Basically the speed of a real life pistol cartridge, give or take.

A scope has mildots, or MOA markings to make it easier to lead targets at any given range - with enough practice.

[heavy arch]

ya ur overthinking it

[calm salmon]

a RDS has none of that, making it rough guesstimation at best at any range beyond like, 50 meters.

[heavy arch]

just shoot and know ur holdovers

[spare dome]

puri is defficient in the art of gamer feel

[calm salmon]

I know you're making fun of me, but actually yes.

I just do things until I no longer need to think about it.

[heavy arch]

just stop thinkign

[spare dome]

i mean its a legit thing, not everyone can do certain types of abstraction

[heavy arch]

it's that shrimple

[spare dome]

like when i took astronomy

that was a huge mistake

[calm salmon]

I cannae into math either

I am SUPER bad at math

even seemingly simple shit is hard for me to do

[heavy arch]

why are u thinking about math in video games

[calm salmon]

why are you an ass

moving on

[heavy arch]

badvibesgryn

= u

[calm salmon]

But yeah, I tend to do poorly with the whole "just get a feel for it" especially with long range shooting in games with bullet velocity

I tend to sit there and practice with one combination over and over until its muscle memory

and a red dot sight with that garbage bullet velocity on the jar-5 just makes that a non-starter for me

ergo: smg time

[spare dome]

years of battlefield 2

and then bc2. And bf3. And 4.

[calm salmon]

I mean I have like 2800 hours of Tarkov

and god knows how many hours of battlefield 3, bad company 2 and 4 under my belt

Gimme an actual scope with hash marks

of any variety(mildots, moa, whatever it doesn't matter) and I'll figure it out eventually

[spare dome]

way quicker to feel it out if you can

like i dont need a scope to throw my knives

[ripe quest]

idk I played like 400 hours of Sea of Thieves as a cannon-man and I came out being able to just eyeball it, works 95% of the time

[spare dome]

ye

[calm salmon]

I mean I can eyeball the Grenadier Gauntlet and rumbler now

but like

.>

[spare dome]

do not dull ur gamer senses with fake concepts like maffs

[ripe quest]

Don't they have projectile trajectory lines though

[calm salmon]

Rumbler yes, but only in "Ads"

GG no

it just has 4 marks in the crosshair

each one is 10 horizontal meters

which is nice

I can just hipfire the rumbler into heads with solid reliability

and the crosshair of the GG is actually zeroed like a real scope so that's neat

[tardy cave]

what exactly is hit mass anyway? is it the hard cap to number of cleave targets relative to armour? so ignoring hit mass means infinite cleaved targets in theory? or...

[calm salmon]

Enemies have mass

Weapons can hit X mass

this means weapons can hit Y enemies

There's some website out there that tells you the mass of every enemy in the game

[heavy arch]

infinite cleave exists

but there is also dmg caps to how many u are cleaving

[tardy cave]

alright so im right in a way i just explained it poorly

right, infinite cleave doesnt necessarily mean you're doing much damage to everything

[heavy arch]

yeh u can knock a bunch away but only kill 2

or just kill everything in front of you

[median steeple]

you know guys I think the plasma is under performing another 10 buffs to the plasma

[ripe quest]

https://dt.wartide.net/calc/

[calm salmon]

yes, weapons also have a set amount of damage they can do to each enemy in a cleave

[ripe quest]

bp calc

[median steeple]

and another 5 to rashad

[calm salmon]

give it 70,000 cleave

and 12 million damage

then it'll be perfect

[ripe quest]

should make it an instant shot and have the 100 cleave on the primary

[calm salmon]

Jokes aside, I do hate how wonky the plasma gun is into dreg gunners

[ripe quest]

btw puri did you know that the Railgun has cleave on charged shots? Decent amount of it too.

[calm salmon]

I did

I try to line brood guards up as best I can

You can sometimes even kill bile spewers in one shot from behind

because you can hit multiple parts of their body at once

[ripe quest]

I'm gonna push it to its limits and see what kinda number I can get out of it.

[calm salmon]

shoot the ass, shot pens head, one dead bile spewer

[median steeple]

Dregs in general have wacky inconsistencies because unarmored

Helbore is miserable to use against dregs iirc

[calm salmon]

Yeah, they're just a little too tanky

that or weapons have ass unarmored damage profiles because of ADM shenanigans under the hood

I don't really know which

[placid fiber]

Eh, that would probably still feel mid

[calm salmon]

it just feels bad to shoot a dreg machinegunner in the head and he's left with 350 hp, while a scab machine gunner dies in one

(Granted, I don't think the plasma gun should really be oneshotting elites with light attacks, but whatever)

[median steeple]

It should promote charge shots more but the ammo is so bad

But that's a general issue with ammo economy

[frosty herald]

i dont mind dregs being tanky

theyre the og nurgle cult on atoma

[median steeple]

I do find it funny that scab ragers just disintegrate and dreg ragers just tank everything

[spare dome]

very much the opposite with throwing knives

[prime ridge]

Redeemable?

[spare dome]

i think point blank is bugged right now

otherwise not really

[prime ridge]

not really redeemable?

[misty nova]

PB should only procs with gun bash kills

Get surgical instead of PB and Maniac instead of Crit Damage

[spare dome]

its meant to proc on any melee kills

which it did til last patch

[prime ridge]

surgical or crucian roulette?

[spare talon]

Surgical

Surgical allows you to force a crit

[misty nova]

Another one on the list of powerful but bugged

[prime ridge]

I'm already stacking crit

[spare talon]

Crit is additive
Meaning the more you have outside of surgical, the less time you need to keep ADSing to reach 100% crit chance

If you're at 50% crit chance you only need to take like 1-1.5 seconds of ads to crit a crusher

Which gives you that 50% rending, in addition to that carapace damage

[prime ridge]

Also, whats the current meta for curios? Toughness?

[spare talon]

Zealot has so many reliable forms of toughness that 3 toughness curios is always the way to go

[nimble fiber]

[spare talon]

Unless you're running martyrdom but that's a given

[spare dome]

tbh every character has such potent toughness regen options that ive slowly converted to 3x toughness since p13 dropped

[prime ridge]

I weep for this baby then

that sweet sweet max roll

[spare talon]

I still run 1 hp curio on psyker cuz man they are squishy
Depending on the scenario yeah their toughness could always be topped off but in others you could be moments from death despite full hp and half toughness

[ripe quest]

Who would've thought that Arco's ramblings about 3x Toughness would finally become the norm

[mint brook]

rate my fit

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-review-gif-21953250

[spare talon]

People finally understand how potent toughness regen talents are lmao

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-nvm-nvm-hatred-its-game-o-clock-game-o-clock-gif-21772406

[fleet zealot]

get 90% toughness regen speed and +3 stam yes yes?

slash j

[mint brook]

i was waiting for someone doing it xD

i know it looks like the edge lord of the ship

[frosty herald]

the fit goes hard

but its also the edgiest drip ive seen

[mint brook]

theme was assassin and skulls 😄

i was SO happy when i saw the hood with the skull mask 😄 hope a variant drops where the mask is just white

also have less edgier fits on others 😄

nvm i notice i am recklessly edgy

[median steeple]

god I want danish frogmen net on my zealot for no reason other than it looks goofy

[misty nova]

3x 3 stamina plus 2 extra stam from the talent tree + 2 extra on your weapon

[nimble fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/krueger-gif-26138884

[frosty herald]

We need this

[mint brook]

my other fits:

[pure zephyr]

gawd damn meele vet was alot more fun than i expected

ops wrong chat

[median steeple]

nah its good

tell us

[mint brook]

i thought i wasnt edgy, but somehow i ended up being a fucking edgelord with my zealot xD

[frosty herald]

why does this bald anorexic FUCk give me good weapons i dont play with

[nimble fiber]

to tell u that your rng can be good, just not how you want it

[median steeple]

Bro

Fucking use that kant

or give it to me

PLEASE

[frosty herald]

I legit get

The godroll kant

[frosty herald]

@royal vortex

[median steeple]

please buy it

Im begging

[spare dome]

tbf also we did spend most of the game's life with one choice of three options for toughness gain, and now you can just take them all

also gold toughness is dumbo

[ripe quest]

Arco was rambling about it prior and also after P13, I just recall HP still being valued. Hell even at one point I was saying 1 stamina curio is fine if you aren't familiar with your weapon.

[south folio]

3x toughness 3x toughness 3x toughness 3x toughness 3x toughness 3x toughness 3x toughness 3x toughness 3x toughness 3x toughness

[unique stump]

Lfg to help Just A Flesh Wound zealot penance, helped some others earlier but couldn’t get it myself

[sterile stone]

Someone is a goofy goober

[median steeple]

I FUCKING AM

[sterile stone]

I gotchu fam

[frosty herald]

if they give me a nokk helmet in helldivers im gonna bust

[north sedge]

I was 3x toughness basically since hitting 30

[sterile stone]

Vigor is releasing on pc in may

Get your fix there

[ripe quest]

We have an LFG channel for that.

[south folio]

they ruined stamina curios when they fixed them to actually give the listed values instead of all giving +1 stamina

[spare dome]

smh my head real gamers ran three +3 stam curios to get ... three stamina extra

[median steeple]

I played vigor around when it first came out

[sterile stone]

I remember the devs saying the game would never come to pc

I guess console numbers must be in the shitter

[north sedge]

God i remember there was someone swearing up and down that they worked right and they ran all stam curios

[south folio]

i did unironically run 3x stamina curios back when they only gave +1 but blunt-force trauma to the head made me reconsider my choices

[south folio]

smh

[ripe quest]

I distinctly remember being apart of that convo

bro was so washed it wasn't even funny

[frosty herald]

the fated 111111 build

[median steeple]

all I did was share my fucking build

[misty mason]

I wonder when they'll do a balance pass

[median steeple]

never

[misty mason]

On the penances

5000 kills at 5 stacks of heavy hitter is very funny

[royal vortex]

vs 2500 of any kind at 7+ stacks of fnp

[frosty herald]

10k kills for a black recolor version

[misty mason]

The 2000 taunts is also hilarious

[frosty herald]

vets have ying and yang

[misty mason]

Like the person designing the requirements must have been truly ogryn pilled. Took a look at the numbers and thought,
"What if I made em bigga"

[frosty herald]

voice of command is easy

but 500 armored krak kills is hard

[misty mason]

500 krak kills is one of the worst offenders

[royal vortex]

solo some melee only

ez

https://streamable.com/hfpwqr

[buoyant pecan]

True

[frosty herald]

did you just

bounce a krak off of your sword

[royal vortex]

no

[misty mason]

Psykers are probably the most balanced overall, but then you have the scriers one that you can just do in 2 minutes

[south folio]

mauler was inside him

[frosty herald]

ah it stuck to the mauler

[misty mason]

Honestly they should probably shorten the fuse on kraks. The amount of times I've thrown one just to have a kill thirsty team mate take out the tatget

[frosty herald]

krak impact nades

[misty mason]

This update has also reminded me how frustrating penance hunting is when you have a VS or nade tube user on the team

[royal vortex]

the problem with kraks is its too easy to burst down a lot of stuff

and ppl will throw it at the first armored enemy

which was a player issue until they made a penance where you have to do that

[frosty herald]

if i see a crusher im krakking it

i got grenade regen anyway

[spare dome]

peeps suck at target prioritization

ill legit charge my thammer, have fury'd, charge a heavy, and then the vet throws a krak at the crusher im in front of

[royal vortex]

people also have no conceptualization of what is going to happen like, 3 seconds in the future. if you see a bunch of adds vaguely in a line and you can throw a krak over the first few

[spare dome]

you think im gonna pull that shot back?

[royal vortex]

do not throw it at the closest ones

people are going to kill the closest ones first

you are setting up your own killsteals

[spare dome]

dont shoot the shooter i am literally prison shanking, shoot the dude ten feet from me

[ripe quest]

Pull it right from HD2's Thermite where you can cook it but if you take too long it sticks to you and you get blown up.

[south folio]

your practice of throwing it over a bulwark's shield has fortunately set you up for this

[royal vortex]

this is one of those really nice things about exe stance in particular where it (generally, unless something clashes with the highlight color) gives you a way to prioritize threats better fought at range

because it lets u have a button to ignore most visual clutter

unless u stand in tox gas

then lol

every highlight is shut off

[frosty herald]

i havent seen an exe vet in a longgggg time

[spare dome]

xstance and DD have an opposite effect for me

where i will assume there are no other dangerous targets other than the yellow/bluebois

[misty mason]

Toxic gas needs tweaking imo

[spare dome]

only to be blindsided by a very obvious crusher

[misty mason]

The duration is too long

[spare dome]

"AAAA BIONIC EYES YE HAVE FAILED ME"

[royal vortex]

i basically never play with counterfire just because shooters arent really enemies sadly

[spare dome]

i mean jesus

[royal vortex]

and just highlighting elites/specials isnt enough visual clutter to kill me like shooters can be

[spare dome]

i swear shooters used to constitute 4-500 of the enemies we fought

now they're like

maybe 200, and 100 gunners

[royal vortex]

less of them spawn than total elites/specials, sometimes even just elites

[spare dome]

they were dramatically cut down

that's why giving vet the scab stalker buff was so whatever

even thought just three months prior it wouldve been seen as ridiculous

[misty mason]

Me: wears fuck off huge gas mask
Also me: pls don't hurt me mr tox bombe ):

[royal vortex]

scab shooters also don't actually do anything, its only stalkers that can really hurt you

scab shooters do significantly less damage and have way worse AI

[spare dome]

unless your toughness is empty

in which case oh my fucking god

[royal vortex]

at that point everything hurts severely

[spare dome]

yes but them especially

suddenly every bullet feels like im getting sniper'd

the differnece between their toughness and health damage is immense

[south folio]

oh lmao they made scab shooters not track you through a dodge now

scab shooter L

[royal vortex]

they also widened the sprint dodge window

very sad

[south folio]

when will ranged enemies get a W
afterwards we will inevitably pikachu face

[royal vortex]

there shrimply needs to be more benefits to having a shooter clearing weapon

[frosty herald]

ranged plogryn

[spare dome]

no more shooter salvos

from now on they just keep shooting

[calm salmon]

we had one

it was the MG12

it just turns out that suppression is a dogshit mechanic

so only vet gets to shoot back at enemies

[misty mason]

We still need a psyker enemy

[spare dome]

who wastes time shooting back at shooters

their pussy asses get whipped in melee

[south folio]

usually the midtier ones are the anti shooter ones (MG Ia and graia IAG)

[royal vortex]

there's a bunch of guns that do good enough shooter clear for an entire team

[twin goblet]

Plogryn infected with obliterator virus.

[royal vortex]

but u dont take guns for that at all

it's not relevant with how the game works

[spare dome]

(anymore)

[calm salmon]

once upon a time it used to be

[spare dome]

you bring a gun for the 20 rager packs

[calm salmon]

Rest in peace 800 dps dreg stalkers

[royal vortex]

kind of and even then a lot of it was just everyone being shit at the game

[calm salmon]

i mean

you're kinda underselling how nuts dreg stalkers were on release

100 to 0 toughness in 200 ms or whatever

and they had basically no cooldown on their bursts

and they spawned in humongous numbers

[spare dome]

idk

i learned to slide and not to fear the bursts

[dusty fog]

Maelstrom Auri, any1?

[frosty herald]

simply run at the gunner

[ripe quest]

I remember you overselling how strong they were. Just as it is now, you can turn off most of their damage with movement or just by killing them.

[spare dome]

gunners are SLIGHTLY trickier to tanlge up into melee but like

it's the same story

[calm salmon]

Remember, I predominantly played ogryn

even with dodging

you're just gonna get hit as ogryn

and zealot had -100% damage reduction during slides

[spare dome]

you run in there, and you keep pushing through til you hit the last guy at the end

[calm salmon]

so it didn't matter

[spare dome]

if you stopped to kill every bananaboi you ran into as you reached them, the rest in the backline would just gun you down like a dog

[median steeple]

this is a peak psyker build

[ripe quest]

for melee hits*
You could slide to dodge ranged damage.

[rich tinsel]

https://youtu.be/-3KgIXPiGJU?si=5k0q9EGQi4vJmbTT

[spare dome]

i know for the vet mains of the time they'd just facetank shooters indefinitely with Unwavering Focus. then it wasnt until they switched to a different class that they'd realise that shooters actually required at least some brain activity to deal with

[ripe quest]

wdym I can't just w m1 literally every enemy

cringe I'm going back to vet

[spare dome]

what was Zealot's old toughness regen talents

i only remember EWEW

oh right crit tdr

[misty mason]

Fuck mang I don't wanna do crabwalk vet penance

[spare dome]

and what else

[misty mason]

Truly feels like penance for a grievous sin

[frosty herald]

until the crucian bug was fixed and people were bitching about an obvious bug being fixed

[spare dome]

it was still pretty good

also i remembered it was born in blood

ewew was just betterer

[frosty herald]

I spawn into my game

Instantly die because i fucked up the caelid tower parkour and alt f4d on the last session

[fleet zealot]

old EWEW giving 8% toughness regen a second

I will always miss you

[misty mason]

It bugs me slightly that redeemed is at 4.1k not 4k

[ivory marlin]

@zealous basin are you on destiny 2 rn?

what is that hat

[zealous basin]

fuck u scatterhorn helmet is goated

[median steeple]

what scatterhorn helm

like what class

[zealous basin]

titan

im beautiful and i won't hear otherwise

[median steeple]

goes hard ngl

I love slim titan fashion

[zealous basin]

wtf

[median steeple]

also based sparrow choice

[zealous basin]

my beloved micro mini

[median steeple]

oh yeah due to them making all the sparrows sim speeds I could totally use it now

but im addicted to the hoverboard

[near frigate]

how do you send pics in the chat?

[median steeple]

you gotta get the convict role

which you get by being active or being in the server long enough iirc

[near frigate]

gotcha. was gonna send a gun in the chat and ask for advice

[median steeple]

if its a gyazo screenshot you can post the link and others can see it

[near frigate]

im trying to get away from the Zarona and i found a Varks Mk III thats 372 base rating

[naive star]

Id recommend Columnus V instead

[near frigate]

yeah ive been experimenting w that as well and like it

any OP blessings to exploit?

[viral hare]

any of the ones that give more damage conditionally are good

deathspitter, fire frenzy, dumdum are all good

[near frigate]

ive heard that fire frenzy is good but i havent heard much else

[naive star]

Dumdum should be best

[viral hare]

those are generally the three people go for

[near frigate]

time to gamble for dumdum

[viral hare]

good luck

[misty nova]

Close damage, that's 15 in-game meters

[ripe quest]

8

Close damage is full up to 8, then falls off until 30.

[misty nova]

I see why they would say 15

[near frigate]

good to know, so best at close and medium range?

[spare dome]

used to be 15

[ripe quest]

Yeah it got a change. Not really a buff or nerf since it tech goes to 30m now but it's only full up to 8.

[spare dome]

kinda wish it still was 15 for the 'in close range' specific triggers

8m is pretty close

to me thats just slide and melee range

[misty nova]

I used to think it would be even closer than that

Then I learned the close and far modifiers

[ivory marlin]

look at my drip

[misty nova]

Then I learned power word

And now I ask myself why would FS do this

[median steeple]

post

I wish to see

[ivory marlin]

one sec

[iron seal]

what a weird looking dog

[calm salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/starship-troopers-ferret-climb-stairs-weasel-critter-gif-18833377

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/laser-staring-focus-laser-beam-super-power-gif-15622136

[royal vortex]

@lusty turtle beast of nurgle can bring swallowed players into the next area and this forces them to a further respawn point

[lusty turtle]

based

new nurgle tactics

[misty mason]

Thats some Tzeentch shit, lets be real

[coarse dagger]

Chicken tenders with mayo and maple syrup. just what I desired)

[misty mason]

mayo and maple is not a combo ive heard of

But im not north american so

[coarse dagger]

@hushed knoll would you.)

[misty mason]

dont

[coarse dagger]

might add mustard)

[misty mason]

dont summon stan to talk food, you will regret it

[coarse dagger]

You act like we don't have similar tastes)

[misty mason]

you also like miscellanious grey mush?

[coarse dagger]

Mayonnaise and mystery mix)

[fleet zealot]

the chicken looks fine the "mayoney" looks like a stan creation

[coarse dagger]

oh it's even better with mustard)

[maiden path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dfBmjrN5W0

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-cute-moves-ferret-dancing-gif-16637633

[nimble fiber]

[maiden path]

when is zealot getting a giant fucking sword

https://tenor.com/view/guts-berserk-berserk1999-griffith-old-anime-gif-16052936

NEED

[misty mason]

You mean the evisc?