zealot-class

[sterile stone]

Waiting for the eventual release

Of Lofi Girl

The movie

https://tenor.com/view/lofi-girl-lofi-study-gif-22173420

[split ibex]

So is crit chance keystone + crit reduction even more meta now that momentum was nerfed?

[elfin steppe]

nerfing momentum after a half year is a questionable choice.

[split ibex]

Agreed

Really would have rather they gave some attention to the middle aura and nodes above it than that

[pale spindle]

was knife nerfed?

[split ibex]

No weapon changes

[royal vortex]

it got buffed pretty hard indirectly since u can fight bulwarks with it now much easier

[pale spindle]

only change was momentum then?

[elfin steppe]

the game has an average of 4000+ players why do you nerf one of the popular keystone

[fleet zealot]

ehh, the nerf isn't that massive

[spare dome]

judgement isnt even all that popular

[fleet zealot]

and it did partially invalidate martyrdom just cause of how consistent and easy it was

[ripe quest]

There are some very very minor weapon changes but none that are value changes.

[spare dome]

but it is/was the far and away strongest

[fleet zealot]

i do agree they should have fixed stuff around the middle tree and nerf cdr first

[ripe quest]

Judgement is still very potent, just by a bit less now.

[spare dome]

and martyrdom can pull ridiculous numbers already but it asks that you play with 1/7th of your healthbar

[minor sage]

you don't need to play at low health with martyrdom lmao

pretty much only giga noobs think like that

[spare dome]

yea so buffing would be pretty silly

[north sedge]

you are legally obligated to stand in fire within the first minute

[royal vortex]

i wish they would fix the way sound works with stuff above/below you

just lost a clutch because a burster was above me and dropped behind me and i thought it was in front

[minor sage]

i think it's hard tbh cuz they just didn't design the game for that

[north sedge]

they should give pox bursters the ability to throw their voice

[minor sage]

it doenst feel like sound is 3D

specials + sounds feel like it was designed around 2D space

[spare dome]

i should be able to shoot holes in the wall in order to change the sound propagation

[obsidian prairie]

Going to put Unyielding over Unarmored, otherwise how does this look?

[misty nova]

The Zealot behind the slaughter

[sterile stone]

The last thing you see before a power sword turns you into dinner for 2

[livid mulch]

change flak to unyielding maybe?

[median steeple]

bro who fucked up installing a texture mod

[sterile stone]

Xbox player

[misty nova]

They didn't download source

[sterile stone]

Is anyone else getting these wonky ass audio cut outs

[ivory marlin]

yall remember when this happened?

[north sedge]

That happened to me earlier

First thing i saw amongst the penance spam

[misty nova]

Really? A Psyker? He fought at WW1, it should be a vet

[ivory marlin]

lmao

[misty nova]

Find that player, tell him he had one job and that he sucked at it

[ivory marlin]

it was like a year ago

[sterile stone]

Bruh maelstroms are borderline unplayable

Can't hear shit cause audio isn't playing from the scuffed mass spawning of mobs

[cerulean moth]

https://tenor.com/kR0cSZadazm.gif

[fleet zealot]

long

[north sedge]

i did not have sound issue earlier

[polar nexus]

apparently they fixed taxe 7?

[still quartz]

Emperor be damned

This thing be slow as hell

xd

[spiral anvil]

It will bodyshot most trash from upclose it's not the worse

[still quartz]

Oh yeah it's fixable

I mean the Mobility stat

I already have a much better Kant

Emperor gave me this one xd

[spiral anvil]

Empoorer

[still quartz]

Damn thing probably feels like lugging a whole ass Bolter

[spark frigate]

worth modifying or nah?

if so what?

[misty nova]

Overpressure still not working iirc

[fleet zealot]

Low cloud easius hurts

Swap showstopper for blaze away, overpressure is bugged and does nothing but it would be the 2nd best blessing and all the other blessings don’t have substantial impact either

[spiral anvil]

Change overpressure to blazeaway and maybe elites to flak

Carapace is funny because you can chastise and melt crusher hordes

[polar nexus]

i use a 05 mobility bolter 😄

[spiral anvil]

sprints backwards

[fleet zealot]

Just in case OP does get fixed this year I’d keep a blessing slot open to swap

[spiral anvil]

Just make a new one with the crafting updateTM

[zinc talon]

OKEY WOTS TH VERDYC WHADDAYEW LAFFINSTOKS FINK OF TH UPDAYT

[sinful widget]

question

can i still 1 shot a mutant with a light rev attack from my mk12 chainaxe without 25% maniac dmg?

im thinking of substituting 25% maniac with carapace

[ember yew]

Yes

In random situations audio is completely cut off, sometimes for a second or two, sometimes for 6-8 seconds.

[sinful widget]

audio output issues? i had that before and i had to mess around with ingame audio settings until it worked

[ember yew]

Its FS after patch issues

[sinful widget]

zamn

[ember yew]

it was fine before the patch

[sinful widget]

thats par for the course i guess

[warm rapids]

i have returned

[still quartz]

Deserved

[polar nexus]

check with the calculator

[sterile stone]

That sucks, all that effor for it to not count

[polar nexus]

or in the psyk

that penance is ASS

[sinful widget]

is there a link for the calc somewhere?

[polar nexus]

https://dt.wartide.net/calc/

[sinful widget]

tanks

[astral brook]

finding out the hard way it’s bugged, sucks man

[sterile stone]

Spent hours upon hours failing maelstroms

Dying to some of the most obnoxious bullshit

[astral brook]

You got plenty of practice at least

[sterile stone]

Only to find it wasn't even counted for

Practice don't mean shit when the ai director is actively tanking the game by overloading spawns

I've had so many specials spawn that not only does my audio cut out

But the game will randomly chug

For like a few seconds

[ivory marlin]

i was playing one armed cook

[ripe quest]

Hydrogen Bomb vs. Coughing Baby moment.

[fleet zealot]

Hydrogen Baby vs Coughing Bomb

Do not the fert

[proud scroll]

WHAT ARE THE BELLS IN HAB DEYKO

is it for the challenge

sry for caps

[spare talon]

the skull is at the start of the mission if thats what youre talking about

unrelated to bells

[proud scroll]

Thought th ere was secret hard mode in maps as well

[opaque island]

how do we feel about the new auspex minigame?

i think its nice

[fleet glade]

??

[misty mason]

Seems like most of the nade penances are a bit overtuned

Maybe they're supposed to be more grindy though

[deft bobcat]

yeah, 100 raid/any missions for +5 points is kinda meh

[misty mason]

I figure those are just ones you accumulate during play

Its just odd cause like the momentum one you can knock out in a few hours

[deft bobcat]

i only have 2 classes being used, penance system is forcing me to grind my other 2 unused classes to get penances faster

seems ok though, get out of my comfort zone

[misty mason]

But the whole time I was using knives and it only got me like 10% of the way through the penance

Yeah if it's making you try different things, it's a well designed system

Any game with diverse builds should encourage you to experiment from time to time

[deft bobcat]

well said. this is the perfect time to get my ogryn and psyker level 30'd

[misty mason]

Having plague gas in the boss arena is pretty brutal haha

[sterile stone]

Having teammates that ignore the tox bomber is hell

[ember yew]

im definitely not doing that until crafting rework

wasting hundreds of thousands resources for character-penance-grinding

[misty abyss]

Gotta love that Auric storm survivor is bugged

[ember yew]

and the forked audio

well its normal

since vermintide days

[misty abyss]

Vermintide on Xbox has me ruined for life with how abused my ears are

[misty mason]

Thankfully it's not weapon specific. I wouldn't be surprised if we see that after the crafting rework

[spare talon]

revenge

[quaint verge]

Scab melee only got ramped up, it is fun now

[spare talon]

i shouldnt do this

im causing damage to my pc probably

down to 10 frames

[quaint verge]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[spare talon]

its fine tho
its all out of hatred for trappers

[sterile stone]

Now do tox bomber

[ember yew]

I mean i still need some kind of good weapons if i go into auric with other classes

and im not wasting my mats doing that

too much rng

[wind bluff]

Would you recommend getting this for 2870 Marks?

[ember yew]

its okay i guess, you'l need to buff skull crusher to IV and then add Unyelding in place of either Carapace or Flak (i would replace carapace)

[tame mirage]

is this good enough

[drowsy steppe]

yea

[tame mirage]

any improvements? its my first real knife

[ivory marlin]

Bazinger

[ember yew]

swap carapace for unyelding

[ivory marlin]

[tame mirage]

real?

[drowsy steppe]

I would switch carapace to Flak because Crusher density isnt big enough to justify bringing Carapace perk

[ember yew]

knife does not have problem with carapace and there isnt that many of them

[drowsy steppe]

and Uncanny isnt too difficult to proc to full stacks so youre already doing full damage in most encounters

[ember yew]

flak is alternative

[drowsy steppe]

yea Unyieldings also a good choice because the dmg modifier against it and knifes one of the better weapons to deal with bosses thats not Thammer

[steep flame]

holy moly

[ivory marlin]

Lord have mercy

[median steeple]

Damn

[median steeple]

Sweet liberty

[paper pine]

I once got hit mid air by crusher just after I got thrown by flesh bag

[spare talon]

i have apparently gained a jump boost buff

[fleet glade]

is this a good bless

[left iron]

Eh

[fleet glade]

[misty mason]

Anyone know what the actual solution to the number puzzle at the beginning of plague tree?

I just mashed buttons and got it

[cerulean moth]

https://tenor.com/kR0cSZadazm.gif

U after overhead

[junior vortex]

Skulls for the blood god

I mean for the master of mankind

[coral smelt]

Who tf designed this tox bomber to sound as quiet as a gunner and looks like a shotgunner?

Why not give him green glow like scab bomber

[junior vortex]

Blood for the Emperor, skulls for the golden throne

[coral smelt]

Is it the same guy who made the Northland berserkers in vermintide?

[junior vortex]

It's pretty damn loud

If you use nightmode you can hear things better

Just so you know nightmode being on makes it easier to hear footsteps and quiet things like that.

[coral smelt]

Is that a mod

[junior vortex]

No it's a audio setting

[coral smelt]

It's more like his voice line is not distinct enough

[junior vortex]

Well I can hear them but my headset is a 360 sound.

[coral smelt]

One of his voice line is the same as dreg gunner but a bit different tone

[junior vortex]

It must be my good headset

As I can hear things coming a mile away

[coral smelt]

And he looks like a shotgunner

[junior vortex]

This is him

I don't really see it

[coral smelt]

His siliuet is way to similar to dreg shotgunner

Especially far away with low lighting

[junior vortex]

Here are both shotgunners

I don't think I would mistake them for the other.

[coral smelt]

K

Good for you

Still doesn't change the fact it has terrible visual clarity compared to every other specials in the game

[junior vortex]

I think that's the point

To make it hard to see with the new bomber

[coral smelt]

Why him specifically

May as well make every special look like mobs

This enemy is just as threatening if not more threatening than scab bomber

[tame mirage]

ok...

watch hadron kill it

[polar nexus]

yes

[tame mirage]

mh.

i mean

thats not horrible

[polar nexus]

holy

thats excellent

just change specialist

and keep blaze

[tame mirage]

unyielding right?

[polar nexus]

that's what i have

[tame mirage]

would overpressure be BiS?

[misty mason]

Breddy gud new chestpiece from penances on vet

without backpack

[winter bramble]

i wish abhor the mutant was not bugged. and worked with the upgrade version of the charge

[polar nexus]

it's bugged rn

[tame mirage]

oh

what should i use in the mean time

theres not many blessings for the flamer actually

[polar nexus]

inspiring / fan the flame / showstopper for the meme

you can test!

that's probably the last flamer you'll ever need

[tame mirage]

yaaaaaaaaaay

i went broke over it

so yea

[polar nexus]

you use fury of the faithful and knives with it?

i mean throwing knives

[tame mirage]

yea

though i see people using chorus with a flamer..

why?

[polar nexus]

good question

fury pairs well with the flamer because you downgrade armor

considering you have infinite cleave with your dots on the area you burn...

you can just mel a pack of infinite elites

[stable cypress]

Because they don't know what they're doing and are just picking arbitrary shit. Chastise armor downgrade is what makes flamer worthwhile to begin with

[ember yew]

and 5 points

could be at least 15 or something

[oak ermine]

It’s a penance that completes by itself, though

[ember yew]

but each map got 50

so its another like 500 runs

for 50 points

but yeah

[spare talon]

It's just for the area

[oak ermine]

It’s a zone penance, not a map penance

[spare talon]

Not each individual mission

[oak ermine]

It can be any mission in Metalfab

[spare talon]

Coolant, smelter, consignment yard(?)

[ember yew]

now that's something you dont want to do with pugs

[oak ermine]

This is the Sedition ™️ gaming ™️ penance

[ember yew]

so its a dps race

at least they've been smart enough not to add any reward to this

since its not aimed at solo players

[cerulean moth]

thank the lord its not difficulty tied

or id end my life

[ember yew]

[fossil crag]

Agreed

[frosty herald]

I also helped beb get a few skulls

[misty mason]

Alright, got my gamer girl bathwater

Time for bedge

[sharp oyster]

Is this usable

[polar nexus]

I would change both perks

You got 76 burn, 80 cloud radius and blaze away

That's all you really need

[sharp oyster]

The rest of blessings except Blaze Away are useless?

[obsidian ore]

Change infested to flak, unarmoured is good enough to keep
Change showstopper to Inspiring Barrage
Make sure you are running thy wrath

Since you won’t get interrupted while flaming with thy wrath, you are going to get a lot of toughness from inspiring barrage so you can use it in high pressure situations

[polar nexus]

They're not very good

[sharp oyster]

Hmmmm

[polar nexus]

You don't really need unarmored @obsidian ore

I'd rather have unyielding or elites with flak

[obsidian ore]

You don’t but changing the blessing is more worth it. Inspiring barrage is one of the best blessings flamer has

You’d rather have flak unyielding on your flamer

[sharp oyster]

I mean inspiring is only if you struggle with toughness

so..

I think I'll just change both perks instead

[polar nexus]

Sorry I didn't want to say carapace I only use flak unyielding on flamer

[obsidian ore]

Sure bro. Try inspiring barrage with thy wrath sometime, you’ll never go back to not having it. Stopping chip damage is OP.

[polar nexus]

And yeah fury is just mandatory

[sharp oyster]

good enough

Also is there anything I can do with this Crusher?

[polar nexus]

Why thy wrath? For melee stun while purging?

[sharp oyster]

until I get Skullcrusher IV

[polar nexus]

Skullcrusher 4

[sharp oyster]

@polar nexus

Beyond that

[polar nexus]

Oh. Well. It's already good. Keep flak and maybe try other perks

[sharp oyster]

hmmm

[frosty herald]

Thats a pretty good crusher

[sharp oyster]

Could be better

it'll be better once I get Skull IV

But idk what else to change

either improve one of the perks

[polar nexus]

My main crusher has sk4, flak unyielding

[sharp oyster]

or get a different blessing

What about blessings

[obsidian ore]

It is less necessary now that you don’t get stunned by ranged damage and toughness break, but it gives you mobility to keep flaming while making you be able to eat a couple of hits from melee enemies.

[polar nexus]

Nah hammerblow is good enough

[obsidian ore]

So you don’t interrupt stacking burn if a trash enemy gets you

[sharp oyster]

I think I'll leave it like that

[polar nexus]

Ah yeah true. I wouldn't use the flamer without it for that reason too

[frosty herald]

Its hard to mess up a crusher once you have skullcrusher on it

[obsidian ore]

Give inspiring barrage a try, it is the best blessing flamer has by a long shot

[polar nexus]

After blaze 😄

Inspiring barrage is good on bolter too

[obsidian ore]

I prefer overpressure over blaze away now that they fixed pressing R removing all stacks a couple ptches ago

İt is less power yes but it stays for much longer

[polar nexus]

Op doesn't work on dots

[obsidian ore]

Interesting, gotta test that

[polar nexus]

It's sadly bugged since p13

It's only on range dmg

[quaint verge]

Ye OP is bugged af

[obsidian ore]

Makes sense, havent used a flamer in a while

[polar nexus]

Well it's either bugged or the previous interaction was not intended

[quaint verge]

You want dots dmg instead of actual hit reg

[obsidian ore]

It is %100 bugged it ifs the case

Go blaze away then

[polar nexus]

It is the case

Zealot chat has confirmed that months ago

😄

[obsidian ore]

Lovely

[sharp oyster]

Can I build chastice with the flamer?

or it's not reliable

[polar nexus]

Wdym?

[obsidian ore]

You can, it is great

[sharp oyster]

I mean

sorry Chorus not Chast

wrong names

[polar nexus]

Not the best

[obsidian ore]

Still would work but other two are better

[frosty herald]

Cant go wrong with chorus

[polar nexus]

You'll miss the armor downgrade from chastise

[sharp oyster]

I see

So what can you build with Chorus

[polar nexus]

You can do revolver zarona with surgical handcannon

You won't need the armor downgrade and you can access sainted gunslinger

If you go middle tree

[sharp oyster]

I already have that so

ez

[polar nexus]

Sainted gunslinger works well with revolver

That's my chorus build

I go crusher + revolver

[sharp oyster]

Also could somebody tell me how do I do this

because I tried it many times

and it didn't count

I dash with it against a charging Mutant with a crusher, smack and kill and still does not count

in one hit

[ember yew]

• Hammer heavy powered special
• Heavy rev attack on anything capable and chastice before the kill
• Heavy Sword strikedown heavy oneshot

[polar nexus]

^

[sharp oyster]

I see..

So if I rev an eviscerator and hit then chastice it will count?

before the kill animation

[ember yew]

because even if you run away 10km, if will still damage the mutant

[sharp oyster]

Ah

Also what's with these memes related to the hammer

what's with the hammer

[frosty herald]

I saw beb get abhor the mutant on his first mutie lmao

That man is lucky as hell

[sharp oyster]

is it a bad weapon

is it a hard weapon

[frosty herald]

Hammer is arguably the best for boss killing

[sharp oyster]

What changes on both II and IV

[frosty herald]

Crucis explodes on impact with any enemy when activated

And ironhelm cleaves until it hits a specialist or elite

[sharp oyster]

Sounds like CC vs Single

[north sedge]

Crucis also hits 25% harder

[polar nexus]

But has a longer stunlock that ironhelm

[drifting shuttle]

Yo so I've been running a crit/martyrdom build with this Mk II Evisc.

But I finally got this Mk XV, what should I throw on it? Drop momentum for shred maybe?

[polar nexus]

SS is wasted on the new Elvis 15

[drifting shuttle]

Gotcha, so switch it with Shred, then cut Stamina for Flak?

[polar nexus]

It's probably better yeah. Or rampage

Depends if you go Crit cdr

[drifting shuttle]

I do, yeah

[polar nexus]

Oh

SS is wasted for the dmg

Because it has a cap of 4 targets on lights

[drifting shuttle]

yikes

That's good to know

Same for Mk II?

[polar nexus]

Nope

[drifting shuttle]

noted

[polar nexus]

But the cleave is still used for stagger

[sturdy owl]

You can still technically “hit” targets beyond those 4

Yeah

Just doesn’t do any damage

[polar nexus]

And it think it spreads the Crits for Crit CDR too

[sturdy owl]

Applies on hit effects, yep

[drifting shuttle]

Interesting..

[polar nexus]

So SS shred then

[drifting shuttle]

Okay, so if it technically crits, would it apply the bleed?

[sturdy owl]

Perfect strike/shred is a meme setup for this reason

It applies the bleed I believe

But 2 stacks is uh

Not much

[polar nexus]

Well it's for the DR

[drifting shuttle]

^

[sturdy owl]

Well you can do it without the cleaved targets

[polar nexus]

True

So I would go SS shred and flak

For a Crit cdr build and considering your weapon

Otherwise I would go shred rampage

[drifting shuttle]

Gotcha, thanks!

[oak ermine]

Its purpose is more akin to Sunder on Power sword, no? I.e., not be bothered greatly by elites halting your cleave

The on hit bleed from Scourge is indeed nothing significant enough to make a difference

But Shred + PS has merit

[sturdy owl]

It has a 4 target damage cap and already very generous cleave values, and it doesn't retain the damage as well throughout the targets

One sec, I have a video

https://imgur.com/a/gKhRoSu

It does let your swings continue through carapace and hit more enemies, but it doesn't provide much benefit even if situations where it actually applies

So it's mostly for control

As opposed to doing more damage

[oak ermine]

And that’s the point

Control and convenience

[sturdy owl]

The issue is that it comes at the cost of actually killing things faster

Which is why it's considered a meme setup

[oak ermine]

And how big of an impact is Rampage doing anyway?

[sturdy owl]

36% power

So 36% more damage, stagger, and cleave

[oak ermine]

No no, not numbers, realistically

How much does it contribute to killing a horde of X enemies quicker

With and without elites/bruisers and some such

[sturdy owl]

If you want an objective answer that's gonna be a solid "it depends" but it can easily put you over one shot thresholds on chaffe

while also still giving you more cleave and control

[paper pine]

With my devil sword I considered cleave blessing instead because the damage against hordes is already good

Ramage is just extra

[sturdy owl]

rampage also gives you more cleave

[paper pine]

It's annoying because there aren't reallt any good single target blessings

[sturdy owl]

Because it's power, despite the description

[paper pine]

Yeah but not 200%

[sturdy owl]

This is true, but your damage falls off considerably as you cleave more targets

Until you hit the target cap

At which point your damage stops

Rampage is generally considered the only must have for dclaws

Shred helps with single target

[paper pine]

Yeah I have that

[sturdy owl]

Rampage also gives you single target as well if near other enemies but obviously not in a 1v1

[frosty herald]

Evis has a target cap of 4

[paper pine]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bd05cc1-86b2-4ddc-93fc-d0fdc14efd9b/crit-zealot-6?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

This is my build, I just cant be effective with it against single target elites because I fking hate boltgun

[sturdy owl]

Take off crit damage, it's bad due to how it's calculated in this game

[paper pine]

I know but idk what to put instead, and i pretty much have 100% crit chance lol

[sturdy owl]

It only applies to the bonus damage of the crits

and not the whole hit

So if you hit for 100, and crit for 110, you get 111 damage with 10% crit damage

[drifting shuttle]

Jesus really?

[paper pine]

Sword has high crit multiplier

With 80% finesse

[sturdy owl]

Weakspot damage works the same way

[umbral kindle]

Even with the highest crit weapons it's not really worth

[sturdy owl]

Better off with armor type perks

100%

Which also apply to the crit damage

[paper pine]

What would I replace it with then, i already have flak

I use bolt against carapace and unyielding

I shred hordes anyway

Maniacs? My parry handles them

[sturdy owl]

Unarmored/flak is generally the best setup for horde clearing

So you could up your horde clear a bit, or if you're close to getting a 1tap with a parry on something else

you could take one for that

[drifting shuttle]

Could run stamina since you don't have any Curios for it lmao

Side question, how worth while is the newer Las pistol?

[sturdy owl]

Haven't tested it but it should be fine, more likely to reach one taps

Of course revolver is still better

[oak ermine]

It has good hip fire accuracy, but IMO its use is questionable on Zealot

[solar gorge]

it's a laspistol sidegrade

both are good

pick one using preference

[oak ermine]

Accatran variant is a bit better for Zealot in my view

[drifting shuttle]

Yeah that's what I've been running for the most part is this

I find I don't use it like I should though

I rarely proc surgical like I know I should

like maybe a few times a match

[sturdy owl]

You can get rager one tap headshots with anoint and flak/maniac

On a crit

[open echo]

My brain is completley off i cannot make decisions for myself, suggestions?

[sturdy owl]

t4 surgical is ideal since it reduces waiting time

[paper pine]

Does stamina have any hidden benefits?

I only need it to push poxbursters

[sturdy owl]

Specialists>something else
Wrath>headtaker for sure

Congrats you've got a perfectly fixable weapon

[sturdy owl]

Better blocking and sprinting

[paper pine]

Parry I guess i useful

[open echo]

ill go flakiac ig

[sturdy owl]

Unarmored will improve clear times though

Bruisers are either unarmored or flak

[paper pine]

Yeah the only problem I have in when there are like gunners spaced out, I regen ability quick with hordes

I need to learn how to use bolt gun

But it seems like theres no skill with it

You just cant hit weakspots

And knife is really hard to throw when you're being shot by a gunner

[coarse birch]

Bolters recoil is a bit wonky on not vet ye

Which is why on zealot people generally go pinning/cavaclade rather than surgical/pinning

[paper pine]

Wonky? Its got the worst spread and recoil out of any game ive played lol

It's a clunky mess

[coarse birch]

I pretty rarely try to snipe with it on zealot the first 2 or so shots i can reliably hit heads with but past thats its weird

[paper pine]

Like is physically impossible to recoil control because of the inaccuracy after firing

[coarse birch]

Thankfully 2 will generally kill w/e im sniping anyway

Yeah the crosshair can lie to you on it

Its a very weird gun

With recoil i mean

Crosshair is fine otherwise

[paper pine]

I would much prefer to use columnus auto, smooth crisp recoil pattern

But bolt is supposed to be better for what I need

[coarse birch]

If you need a more high powered sniper type gun id probably just take zarona honestly

Bolter on zealot is p much for bosses/crusher and bulwark packs

[paper pine]

Too little ammo, I need to shred crushers/bulwarks and monstrosities

[coarse birch]

Throwing knives help too

Tbf if you need that melee can cover those things

[paper pine]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bd05cc1-86b2-4ddc-93fc-d0fdc14efd9b/crit-zealot-6

I use the sword and knives for anything that isnt unyielding/carapace

I wonder if "dance of death" will make boltgun bearable

[coarse birch]

One thing that might help is dance of death, itll make the hipfire and spread much nicer

Not as sure with ADS since i ads so rarely

On zealot bolter

[paper pine]

But you have to dump mobility on bolt which makes dodging harder

[drifting shuttle]

So maybe Im just really used to the Mk II, but goddamn the Mk XV feels clunky af

[spare dome]

it is

[tame mirage]

precognition or uncanny?

[paper pine]

Depends

[tame mirage]

mmmmhh

[coarse birch]

Weapon?

Both for knife

If you can only have one uncanny

[spare dome]

you def want both

uncanny at least is kinda non negotiable

[frosty herald]

have you ever used executioner sword in vt2

[drifting shuttle]

I remember very vividly not enjoying it lmfao

[frosty herald]

Well the mk15 has the same moveset

[drifting shuttle]

At least Im consistent!

[coarse birch]

Momentum will speed up the swings but yeah both evis's are slow

[paper pine]

Chastise gives 100% rending for 5s on guns right?

[oak ermine]

It’s a different function than rending

[paper pine]

I'm trynna see if columnus auto is viable for carapace

Or anything other than bolt lol

[coarse birch]

Its 3 seconds i think and its an armor downgrade to cara and flak

[lean lark]

3 second downgrade, cara -> flak, flak -> unarmored

good option for anti cara is revolver (due to rending)

flamer

revolver can kill crushers without chastise by running hand cannon surgical

[coarse birch]

Hella yeah i remembered right

[lean lark]

so can bolter

[coarse birch]

Fire rate increase too

[lean lark]

then flamer can kill an infinite amount of crushers with chastise

or you bring a thammer

or rashad

[frosty herald]

Damage stim also gives rending

[paper pine]

Gotta love the drugs

[lean lark]

bolter will be more than enough to handle every crusher/armored enemy problem

if you know how to bolter

[paper pine]

Well I dont

I hate it

[lean lark]

thats the first step to learning the bolter

[knotty mountain]

I really feel like you just do not ever do long shots with bolter. If you do, you never bother doing single shots and just hope one of the 15 rounds will hit.

[lean lark]

that's just an aim problem

not a weapon problem

[knotty mountain]

Very fair to be honest

[mossy scarab]

Skill issue

[austere oak]

Do people still do groups for penances?

[lean lark]

take time with your shots

[knotty mountain]

Always preferred short range, though to be honest, that recoil does feel particularly nasty for that

[lean lark]

eventually you'll get the hang of it and not need to take time with shots

practice makes perfect

[knotty mountain]

True enough

[frosty herald]

I forgot how much silo cluster sucks

[lean lark]

after not playing for months I've got to say I have learnt to enjoy every map regardless of what it is, even hab dreyko

mostly because they made the end event not just brainrot slop tier of uninteresting

[frosty herald]

I love all maps equaly

But some are more equal

Bruh

Sefoni is a mission anouncer

[lean lark]

Yeah

There's also the new sister hestia on announcer

and also some dukes and shit

[desert bough]

If shouty keeps taking ammo for bolter will throw him off ledge

[nova ginkgo]

fair

[desert bough]

Glad we on same page shouty

[nova ginkgo]

No worries big man, I have an axe, and... well, axe

[coarse birch]

Suppression isnt helping here either which you can only do so much about sadly

[quaint verge]

Just be a vet

[coarse birch]

If only we could all simply turn off suppression

We do have laspistols at least

[vast basin]

Shotguns too

[lean lark]

we also have an entire team behind us that can kill things

those act as good suppression immunity

[frosty herald]

The ascension riser puzzle is broken

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-wait-wait-gif-8174347161288218584

Me seeing someone revive me in a pool of fire

[radiant nacelle]

For serious why do people do this

It's basically never worth it

[sterile stone]

I just witnessed someone try to run in and then stand ina pool of fire

Not killing the tox flamer

And just died

Like my guy, fire auto fucks anyone standing in it

KILL THE SOURCE OF THE FIRE

[frosty herald]

I need 1.1k penance points for the goated zealot chest

Saintly benedictor

[sterile stone]

You're at 3k penance points already?

[frosty herald]

Nah

2.4k

[coarse birch]

Whats the max

Think im at like 2.5

[frosty herald]

4.5k

[desert bough]

"No more running off forever shouty"

[solid current]

perhaps i judged knife loner zealots running off and dying too harshly, now that i gotta do it for penances

[hardy gull]

Tbf theres a large skill level when it comes to knife gameplay

[solid current]

yea, imo its the best with skill it just hurts my poor fingey

thunder hammer is fun and all but at the end of the day its hold heavy attacks n' occasionally charge for a crusher

WELL KNIFE IS JUST SPAM M1 TBF

[hardy gull]

Yes sir maybe a heavy here and there

[solid current]

but having movement and dodge opens up the skill ceiling

yea that

[hardy gull]

Why i run a horde clear for my ranged

[solid current]

purgatus?

[hardy gull]

Yep

Flamer makes me happy

[solid current]

fair........... wish it didnt take ages to pull out

[hardy gull]

Why i only use it during horde otherwise it just collects dust

[hardy gull]

I only really do groups for penances if it needs players with skill or can't be done in a pub game.

[lean lark]

Have they said anything about missions done before the update not counting towards the new penances

[hardy gull]

LIke doing 10 deathless Auric games with pubs is making me mad

[polar nexus]

lots of quitter tonight...

[vocal snow]

fr lots of people simply running ahead and dying or having the awareness of a blindsnake

[hardy gull]

Guess it due to returning players

[nimble fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/shogun-vasco-rodrigues-nestor-carbonell-holding-gun-pistol-gif-2700461493259812293

[polar nexus]

Not farming plasteel too

[vocal snow]

yeah lol

[solid current]

weirdo complaining about me getting trapped one time cause im running ahead like i didnt revive both my teammates twice each and cleared out the entire map for them several times over

second i get trapped its all the knife zealot's fault w/e

[vocal snow]

i also saw people moving on spot and spinning or just walking in circles

not sure if those are farming bots

[tame mirage]

weird..

[hardy gull]

Sounds about right as a kinfe zealot no matter how good you are if they lose its all your fault

[tame mirage]

tru

just carry lol

[solid current]

SORRY I GOT REALLY SALTY TOO BUT LITERALLY

[tame mirage]

it doesn't matter they had 120k damage and you had 700k

[frosty herald]

Ok

[solid current]

GRRRAAAAAAAAH LOOK AT THE SCOREBOARD BEFORE YOU COMPLAIN GAMERSSSSSSS i keep my gamer ego to myself unless ppl COMPLAIN sdfhdvjdsfsjdvkdsfhsdfsdfhijsdf

[frosty herald]

The vigil oblivium puzzle is after the bridge when you go up the first spire

To the right

Its a kinda difficult jumping puzzle

i have no words

[solid current]

NEED THAT FIT

[fading hornet]

What scoreboard?
I is but a simple console peasant

[solid current]

the name in tandem goes crazy

[polar nexus]

Looks like a telopots char

[vernal sand]

Fellow zelots

Hows the update?

I haven’t been able to play

[vast basin]

Good for the most part

Lots of bugged penances tho

[solid current]

good quality of life update

by bugged do you mean stuck one away from completion?

i think Looter's been stick at 249/250 for two missions now, and its just opening chests

could be geeking though ill see this next mission

[hardy gull]

Mine worked fine finished looter

Wont lie 500 Throwing knife kills really wasnt that bad. Only needed to do 11 missions

[vast basin]

Some seem to get stuck at certain progress, or don't progress at all eg auric storm survivor

[solar gorge]

only bugged penance is the 5 auric maelstrom in a row as far as i know

[hardy gull]

Want my title FS 😦

[solar gorge]

all the rest have been progressing fine

[vast basin]

Nah the one with no team downs in auric is also bugged

[hardy gull]

Swear ive seen people getting that

[solid current]

is it just not tracking?

[vast basin]

And leave no one behind also seems bugged

[vast basin]

Doesn't work at all

[solar gorge]

doesn't track any

but if you win 10 maelstroms in a row it'll count towards the 10 auric in a row

[paper pine]

I just wanted performance improvements lol

[hardy gull]

Im guessing the Maelstorm one is meant to be no one can go down but FS coded it wrong or something

[solar gorge]

p sure it's just not working and description is fine

[hardy gull]

Otherwise 5 in a row is alot easier than 10 imo

[vast basin]

Well it's 5 maelstroms

[solar gorge]

i mean 10 non maelstrom auric in a row is easier

[vast basin]

The other one doesn't have to be maelstroms

[solar gorge]

since you can just spam hi

and hi is uh

without shock troop

[hardy gull]

Idk i find maelstorm easier if you dont pick the all scab spam

[solar gorge]

bleh

[hardy gull]

Maybe cause better randos play it or something

[vast basin]

Depends on the modifier, but generally normal aurics will be far easier than maelstroms

In my experience anyway

[hardy gull]

hmm maybe im just odd tbf as a knife main thats kinda needed

[shy river]

Anytime I'm in the mood for auric maelstrom nobody is queueing 😢

[sturdy owl]

Use a macro/mod for that

Fatshark explicitly allows macros for tide games

[coral smelt]

was the inexorable judgment change a nerf or buff?

[sturdy owl]

Purely a nerf

[coral smelt]

rip

[sturdy owl]

Reduced the duration, reduced the max stacks

[rain wing]

Yeah, why.

It wasn't OP.

[sturdy owl]

My thoughts exactly

[vast basin]

It was and is a very strong and versatile keystone which could be used effectively with almost any build

[shy river]

Which one was inex judgement again

[sturdy owl]

momentum

[shy river]

Ahh

[sturdy owl]

It's good, but its potential wasn't nearly as good as marty

[shy river]

Thats a weird nerf to choose

[sturdy owl]

So it was a safe if less effective option

I assume fatshark just nerfed it based on usage rate

since the other two are more niche

If still good

[coral smelt]

hows about they change the tree so my build doesnt always go right then left for benidiction then keystone

[vast basin]

Marty is overrated and only achieves close to what momentum achieved at max stacks

Imo

[nova saddle]

the new book backpack is really cool, I hope it's pretty ingame

[golden pumice]

if u have bonus wounds i dont trust u red heart emoji

[sturdy owl]

Marty also gives you a sizable amount of tdr

[vast basin]

Well momentum gives dodge buffs

Who needs tdr if you don't get hit

[sturdy owl]

It doesn't

[vast basin]

It does

[golden pumice]

momentum was just the most fun one idk y they nerfed it but oh well life will go on (i will still play momentum)

[vast basin]

They are hidden

[coral smelt]

yes it does its the entire point

makes heavy weapons not sluggish

[sturdy owl]

You're gonna have to sauce me up on that

Because this is the first time I've ever heard of it

[coral smelt]

i m very sorry to hear that

[vast basin]

#zealot-class message

[sturdy owl]

Yeah that doesn't specify what exactly it's doing

That mod has also misinformed me repeatedly

[frozen ibex]

RIP momentum

[sturdy owl]

Because he confuses playtest content with what actually makes it into the game

[vast basin]

You can @ lazorr if you want the details

[frozen ibex]

Why they nerf underpower keystone.

[vast basin]

But I'm more inclined to believe a mod over what you say

[oak ermine]

It’s in the game. The actual game.

[coral smelt]

you can literally try it in the psykanium

[solid current]

does this trigger every 25 enemies dying near you, or does it need to wear off

[coral smelt]

using a chainaxe

[sturdy owl]

It is not in the actual game because that last part is unlisted

[vast basin]

Well now you know

[sturdy owl]

I will however check again in case that was a recent change

[coral smelt]

its been in the game forever

its the biggest draw of the keystone

[sturdy owl]

A description stating that it affects dodges?

[coral smelt]

the effect

[sturdy owl]

We're talking about the description

And whether or not the game actually tells you it does that

[oak ermine]

Imagine sticking all that information in the description window. Fatshark to this day has a problem with relaying how certain feats work, ergo some people from the community just don’t put up with this and take things directly from the code

[coral smelt]

guys i think we should stop taking thy wrath be swift

[vast basin]

I think I will not stop taking thy wrath be swift

[coral smelt]

cuz according to description it only stops melee stuns

[sturdy owl]

Nope, still doesn't tell you dick. Not even a hint to affecting dodges.

[coral smelt]

so?

[oak ermine]

Well of course it doesn’t, it’s not in the description

[frozen ibex]

They nerfed range stagger though.

So twbs not needed anymore.

If you're based.

[coral smelt]

cant charge through gunner fire without twbs

[oak ermine]

How do you feel about the lack of ranged stun without TWBS, though?

[frozen ibex]

Okay so maybe it's build dependant. I used to take it with my combat axe stealth build for extra protection when the gunners were crazy. Now I can slide to cover at least, or stealth to them.

Granted I've only done 1 round without twbs after patch.

[coral smelt]

i tried it multiple times

its extremely noticable

[frozen ibex]

But it felt very manageable without the talent now.

I never get melee staggered anyway it was always for the range pre patch.

[coral smelt]

if i chastise can work as intended and actually dodge bullets without twbs then i will stop taking it

but it doesnt because of good coding

[lean lark]

Oh they nerfed momentum

I felt my zealot was going slower

That's annoying

[frozen ibex]

Chastise does ignore bullet though right without twbs.

[coral smelt]

no, it makes you get hit and stops the charge

[frozen ibex]

D:

[coral smelt]

its just bad coding. There is no reason not getting stuned by range attacks also makes you dodge all of them

its clearly intended to dodge by itself

[oak ermine]

That depends on when you are hit. You gain immunity to ranged shots (dodge state) after ~0.5s of charge duration

[north sedge]

You only get stopped during chastise startup

[sturdy owl]

Fatshark has a bad habit of nerfing good things to make underperformers look better

Rather than just making the underperformers good

Should've given piety and marty a bit more love

But they probably just kneejerk nerf based on usage rates

[lean lark]

martyr definitely not

a heavy buff to piety would put it on-par with the others

[sturdy owl]

Give piety some attack speed

Problem solved

[coral smelt]

they buffe the shared crit

it aint vermintide tho crit isnt universally good

[golden pumice]

the thing abt piety and martyrdom is that piety is boring and martyrdom is trolling i think its ok for them to be worse

sometimes u just want flat crit and thats fine! and other times u wanan be funny 1hp guy and thats fine too!

[frozen ibex]

Yeah if you're pro charger you won't be stopped (Like me)

[radiant nacelle]

I've always had lots of success with piety

[golden pumice]

piety good its literally flat crit whats not to love

[sturdy owl]

It’s “ok” but it’s not as big of a benefit compared to the others

[golden pumice]

my brain just goes "stacking buff" and gets dopamine

[coral smelt]

no attack speed buff, and crit isnt good on all weapons

[sturdy owl]

Yep

All weapons would want attack speed

Only some want to stack crit

And now you have to choose between the two

[coral smelt]

weapons like dclaw could live without extra attack speed and relie on chastise spam

[radiant nacelle]

Okay but for the crit weapons it's pretty solid. Not sure where it would be underperforming outside of...not having things it doesn't have. Which is called balance.

[coral smelt]

but stuff like chainaxe is way too slow for piety

[radiant nacelle]

I run chainsword with it

[sturdy owl]

It’s pretty solid but not as solid as swinging faster and doing more more melee damage

On top of survivability buffs

[quaint verge]

Only reason to run piety is when you run chorus

[coral smelt]

also the power of crit builds depends on the cleave of the weapon

[north sedge]

Chaxe has bad crit mod

[golden pumice]

ye im also bigoted and only use knife so like im being very relaxed about momentum nerf but if i was eviscerator user id be very sad

[frozen ibex]

I run piety with knife.

A lot of bleed.

[coral smelt]

knife is exception

[golden pumice]

my condolences to my brothers and sisters out there

[sturdy owl]

I use piety for my stealth knife setup

Now that I know momentum has hidden dodge buffs

I'm just scratching my head as to why piety doesn't have any attached survivability

[quaint verge]

Ult spamming

Datz it

[frozen ibex]

The forbidden heavy sword piety build.

[coral smelt]

ult spamming and always have crit tdr

[sturdy owl]

Eh, you don't need piety to ult spam

But that's technically true

It does enhance other talents

[radiant nacelle]

Right. Chainsword with rampage and savage sweep is tons of cleave. Scourge, double dash, duellist. Crits for days. What am I missing?

I'm not trying to like, be all butthurt about my nuild but I'm not sure I'm following why piety is regarded the weaker of the three. Doesn't really add up.

[coral smelt]

dlcaw bolter piery is pretty good

[sturdy owl]

Doesn't give you attack speed or +melee damage

That's really it

[coral smelt]

no one is critizing you build take it easy, we are saying the keystone can use a buff

[sturdy owl]

The others give a sizable amount of both

[radiant nacelle]

Nah look I'm literally trying to say I'm not feeling criticized or butthurt, just trying to understand

[coral smelt]

ok i misread

[radiant nacelle]

The attack speed from martyr doesn't feel enough and momentum clears itself constantly

[sturdy owl]

Yeah, asp and straight melee damage are much more appreciable than crit for most weapons

[radiant nacelle]

So I don't really get the point

[sturdy owl]

Momentum is a persistent buff as long as you're moving and attacking things

[coral smelt]

martydom give you 40% attack damage with 20% attack speed at 5 stacks

which you should maintain at

[frozen ibex]

How so not enough? Are you at 5 stacks at least?

[sturdy owl]

It's pretty big

[coral smelt]

it turns the combat axe into a oneshot machine

[radiant nacelle]

I ran martyr at 6 stacks and while I did see a differenxe it didn't feel enough to hover so close to death

[frozen ibex]

Try combat axe.

Huge attack speed difference.

[radiant nacelle]

It says when you hit it clears? Is it badly worded or smth

[quaint verge]

Or crushet

[radiant nacelle]

Is the attack speed based on the weapon you wield?

[sturdy owl]

You apply stacks while moving, and then when you attack the stacks are removed and you get a buff based on the stacks

[coral smelt]

the playstyle is not for you then. Its all about staying at low hp and not get hit. Relying on holy revenant to bail you out once every 2 minutes

[sturdy owl]

The stacks you're holding aren't the buff

[frozen ibex]

No but combat axe is really slow. So you can feel the attack speed provided very easily.

[vast basin]

When you hit an enemy the buff triggers. After a while it will disappear, but you can build more stacks during the time it is active

[coral smelt]

the reward is insane damage

[radiant nacelle]

That's not helpful if I'm using chainsword, but I see your point

[frozen ibex]

Yeah not good with chainsword.

[coral smelt]

you need to pair martyr dom with weapons that have good base damage

[sturdy owl]

40% melee damage and 20% attack speed isn't bad on chainsword either

[coral smelt]

to have maximum return

[sturdy owl]

and also the tdr

[coral smelt]

knife for example is bad with it

[sturdy owl]

Which is quite good

[coral smelt]

the tdr is good enough to the point i dont even take crit tdr on my caxe build

[sturdy owl]

25% tdr at 5 missing wounds

[clear knot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1105471939956445254/1217739425950466068/watermark.gif

[golden pumice]

retweet

[vast basin]

Not really a Marty player myself, does the tdr stack additively with benediction?

[sturdy owl]

tdr is likely multiplicative from all sources

[coral smelt]

the more sources of tdr you have the worse it gets

[radiant nacelle]

So what I'm hearing is martyrdom doesn't fit chainsword well (which is what I've found using it myself) and I might need to test momentum first hand. On paper it just doesn't look great, but maybe in practice it's different.

[sand willow]

Haven't played in a while (since a bit after the big anniversary updates). How are people generally running their eviscerators these days? With what builds?

And if you're going to answer with "They don't, use the [other weapon] instead. ", don't. I'm asking about eviscerator because I want to use the eviscerator.

[coral smelt]

at that point getting stuff like second wind has way more value

[vast basin]

Which evis do you prefer?

[sturdy owl]

It's perfectly fine on chainsword

[sand willow]

I mostly use the original

Haven't used the new one much though

[sturdy owl]

Just because it's not as impactful comparatively as a rashad doesn't mean it's bad or even not good

[coral smelt]

I will record a game with marty to show you how it is

[radiant nacelle]

I mean I run alongside speedy zealots all the time

I don't think it's bad

[vast basin]

I like running knives with Crit build on evis, but I path down to momentum and pickup Crit CDR aswell

[oak ermine]

Benediction - no, but each stack of TDR from the buff is additive with small TDR nodes, and then these are multiplicative with other TDR buffs

[radiant nacelle]

What I'm getting at is I don't see how piety is the worse of the three, it seems plainly better to me.

[frozen ibex]

Bad with martyrdom?

[vast basin]

Most just don't value Crit as much as attspd and survivability

[sturdy owl]

The crit is generally not as nearly as impactful as asp/melee damage and is mostly for juicing uptime on other talents

Even on crit based weapons like knife

You'll do more dps with the boost from marty

[fleet zealot]

momentum shouldn't clear itself constantly, it refills on dodge

[sturdy owl]

It clears your stacks to apply a buff based on your stacks

[radiant nacelle]

Is there not something i understand about crits? Crits have always felt good.

[sturdy owl]

Then it does it again when you run out of time

[fleet zealot]

consistency>rng

[violet hornet]

Crit damage is weapon dependent and is sometimes a tiny increase

[sturdy owl]

Also attack speed feels really good

[fleet zealot]

the real benefit of crits right now is the cdr option

[radiant nacelle]

Piety and scourge increase consistency a ton

[sturdy owl]

They increase the consistency of your crits, but the crits are still rng

[violet hornet]

I don't use crit builds though so I'm unsure what the typical damage increase looks like

[vast basin]

It's really weapon specifc

[radiant nacelle]

That's definitely a factor yeah. Lots of dashing is good for survivaviliry and murder

[fleet zealot]

knife and dclaws are probably best with blazing piety

[frozen ibex]

Knife is so gud you can run any of the 3 keystone with it.

Very based weapon.

[vast basin]

Crusher can also work with piety although I still prefer momentum

[fleet zealot]

but the other weapons are just lol I can abuse crit cdr, ie chsword, evi, crusher LMAO

[sturdy owl]

Piety is only really for max stealth uptime on shroudfield setups on knife

[fleet zealot]

it needs a nerf i'm mad it didn't get nerfed

fury>stealth on knife

[sturdy owl]

If you're going fotf it's unnecessary

[radiant nacelle]

I'm pretty committed to chainsword, it feels extremely good as an all rounder

Not much interest in knife

[misty nova]

On the mk15, bloodthirsty and whatever that isn't cleave, left side ending on martyrdom

[fleet zealot]

chsword is more of a chaff wrecker than an all rounder, it lacks big cara damage

[sturdy owl]

Fotf is fine, but knife is the definitive shroudfield weapon

[frozen ibex]

Piety knife gud
https://youtu.be/_88_iKC4Vug

[radiant nacelle]

Cara is its only real weakness imo

And yeah I use it for horde clear and rev it for big stuff

Crushers are the worst but p much everything else is mulch

[sturdy owl]

Slaughtering helpless gunners isn't exactly the best showcase

[radiant nacelle]

This is what I'm saying, I'm not sure I agree with this

[sturdy owl]

If you're not running shroudfield, it has more than enough crit with scourge/baseline for cdr with the other talents

The combination of asp/melee damage also multiplies itself

[radiant nacelle]

Even with a 25% crit chance reduction?

[sturdy owl]

Yes

[frozen ibex]

Would have died with martyrdom piety carried with extra charges for stun

[sturdy owl]

Scourge gives 30% by itself, it has 15% baseline crit last I checked

[frozen ibex]

(Lied)

[radiant nacelle]

The chsword has good base crit yeaj

[vast basin]

If you run shred on your chain sword that is also another 25%

[sturdy owl]

I'm talking about the knife

[radiant nacelle]

Well I don't plan to use knife. Chsword loyalist for now

[sturdy owl]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2892198053

Chainsword doesn't have base crit

So you're using the zealot class base unmodified

[radiant nacelle]

I do have one with shred but currently running rampage and sweep

[radiant nacelle]

Did they change it? I could swear it had base 5% or smth

[sturdy owl]

Fatshark has made undocumented crit changes before but I couldn't tell you

Happened with recon lasguns

[vast basin]

I'm pretty sure most weapons have a 5% base Crit but I could be wrong

[radiant nacelle]

Mk well I'll give momentum a try then. Thanks for the perspective

[sturdy owl]

That's the class baseline

[vast basin]

Ah yes, that's what I meant

[sturdy owl]

Varies depending on the class but chainsword is not particular crit oriented, even if it has fairly good values for a non-finesse weapon

It does have the unique crit interaction for cleave though

But you can get enough crit with shred

[radiant nacelle]

It has finesse as a stat

Nah I don't use shred on my current weapon

[vast basin]

He means the Adm, not stat

[sturdy owl]

Well, the baseline modifiers

[fleet zealot]

finesse as a stat is just the weapon's range

ADM is what matters, the ratio of bonus you get on crit

[radiant nacelle]

What's adm?

[sturdy owl]

Armor damage modifier

How the game scales damage from your base damage

[radiant nacelle]

It has a penetration stat

[sturdy owl]

Including from falloff

[radiant nacelle]

I feel like I'm missing something

[sturdy owl]

I’ll post an image soon

It’ll help explain it

[radiant nacelle]

Nod okay that'd be cool, tyvm. Ping me when you do if that's okay

[frozen ibex]

Or just continue to play piety and win

[sturdy owl]

https://imgur.com/a/IilcfWL

[radiant nacelle]

I mean I still feel piety is v strong. I top scoreboard pretty often, though I acknowledge that is largely due to skill/playstyle and not necessarily solely indicative of the build I run. But I do like to fill knowledge gaps to improve performance so I'm happy to learn. I'm pretty confident in my knowledge and abilities but maybe im deficient in a few places

[misty nova]

Was about to tell him about that part of inspection

[sturdy owl]

It's important to note that subjective experience is not necessarily representative of objective performance

Piety is of course a simple and easily used boost

[radiant nacelle]

That's essentially what I'm saying in a more succinct way lol yes

[sturdy owl]

But other options are generally more efficient

It's not bad, but you can usually do better

Or you can use it to force crit setups onto weapons that normally wouldn't enable it, like crusher

You wanna open that link too

There's 2 images in there

[radiant nacelle]

Oh I knew about the damage tables. What does that have to do with chsword not being a finesse weapon?

[sturdy owl]

That's just an explanation for adm's and how they impact your damage