Iirc
#zealot-class
coarse birch
royal vortex
fantastic
coarse birch
2 charges is 100% slower than recon
south folio
1350 damage 🙂
royal vortex
its like old evis
south folio
1400 hp dreg gunners 🙂
royal vortex
good on heresy
royal vortex
1400 hp dreg gunners 🙂
lmao
coarse birch
You guys simply need to suck more
royal vortex
surely u get that BP just from the +ranged damage nodes
coarse birch
Then it will be usable
royal vortex
You guys simply need to suck more
south folio
the funny thing is that patch 12 BB dealt 1k base damage and dreg gunners had 1.1k hp
but psyker always had the +10% elite damage aura so it could one-shot them w/o buffs
coarse birch
Its a shame too because i like the difference between assail and non assail gameplay but wtf do i take over assial
south folio
so this is actually just par for the course
coarse birch
My ass isnt using smite
cursive cloak
what are good blessings for a mkv eviscerator?
coarse birch
MkXV?
royal vortex
rampage + whatever really. bloodthirsty with +cara gets you crit crusher one-shots
shred is ok if ur doing invocation of death stuff
cursive cloak
yeah, sorry, XV
cursive cloak
gotcha, ty
coarse birch
Although be warned savage sweep does not increase amount of targets you can damage only stagger
So it wont work like it does on mk2 evis
royal vortex
i need to record one of these crusher duo games
cursive cloak
rampage + whatever really. bloodthirsty with +cara gets you crit crusher one-sho...
how does bloodthirsty work?
rev, kill something, then go for the crit heavy on a crusher?
royal vortex
how does bloodthirsty work?
kill something with a rev attack and then the next attack you do (regardless of if it hits or not) is a guaranteed crit
yea
north sedge
you'd rev it again for a crusher
cursive cloak
interesting
coarse birch
Lasts about 4 secs
royal vortex
theres a special kind of hell for the guy who designed the bulwark stagger animations
coarse birch
Yeah
royal vortex
i also absolutely despise that their stagger thresholds while inactive are lower than when the ai gets turned on
cursive cloak
coarse birch
You mean you dont want someone to stagger them by playing the game near them
cursive cloak
so basically, all I gotta do is swap unarmored to carapace
royal vortex
the shredder on that is p low but unarmored also doesnt really do anything
coarse birch
Swap unarmored to cara ye
royal vortex
You mean you dont want someone to stagger them by playing the game near them
all bulwarks should be accompanied by a shotgunner entourage that fires into his back constantly
coarse birch
all bulwarks should be accompanied by a shotgunner entourage that fires into his...
Unironically my least favorite interaction in the game
royal vortex
there's a ton of enemy interactions that just feel bad
cursive cloak
Oof. Oh well
royal vortex
some have thankfully been removed (or mostly fixed) like being mutie thrown into a mid-air sniper shot
coarse birch
I still see flashbacks everytime
cursive cloak
Those are hilarious to me. I imagine the mutue being like PULLLL
minor sage
Although you wont crusher one shot with that shredder stat
The shredder one shot is pretty generous
minor sage
Esp if you are running a build with copious amounts of dmg
coarse birch
Yeah id need to check it
minor sage
Like martyr
north sedge
best thing is when josho got netted like 20 ft back into the air
coarse birch
https://streamable.com/yn93p0
Outplayed
north sedge
royal vortex
#TRUE
coarse birch
Get that faust off my screen
coarse birch
Strive faust is mildly acceptable
frosty herald
north sedge
frosty herald
it wasnt a bug it was tzeentch using his magic to influence that specific trapper
spare dome
til exploding a barrel will end your stealth even if it doesnt hit anything
was very rude
coarse birch
@royal vortex did you say you had a clip of the bombers at the start
ornate bone
https://streamable.com/yn93p0
What did Fatshark mean by this
royal vortex
<@445566734255259648> did you say you had a clip of the bombers at the start
think so
median steeple
calm salmon
when did throwing knives get cleave
and why does it only work with my gun out
oh i see
its building stacks of fire frenzy and deathspitter
or slaughterer/headtaker
depending on the weapon
strange and odd
ornate bone
Classic
calm salmon
it also can't build stacks of full bore
ornate bone
In Vermintide 2 attack speed affected javelin reload
ornate bone
The fattest shark
calm salmon
same deal with pinning fire
can't build stacks of it, but benefits from them
but yeah, it builds stacks of deathspitter and fire frenzy
not headtaker and slaughterer
south folio
calm salmon
what a strange weapon
south folio
kitchen cutlery
royal vortex
coarse birch
its building stacks of fire frenzy and deathspitter
or slaughterer/headtaker
...
Also has the perks of your gun if you have it out, which your likely aware of
So its maniac damage is often even better
polar nexus
Does it still benefit from Surgical?
merry flume
manstopper knives 
ripe quest
what the fuck is this weapon
super old news, they inherit active buffs and perks depending on the weapon held when throwing them (Anoint applies if you have a ranged weapon out for example). If you can get a buff up and throw them, it'll apply. Peak examples are Man-Stopper knives and Hand-Cannon knives.
Recent change prevents them from getting new buffs while thrown, which is 90% just an Assail gimmick.
calm salmon
super old news, they inherit active buffs and perks depending on the weapon held...
I just thought it was strange that the throwing knives actively build stacks of deathspitter and fire frenzy
but nothing else
the benefitting from is whatever. Just that one oddity that caught me out really, that and the cleave from said DS/FF
ripe quest
Full Bore is an outlier, iirc knives build Scattershot, Slaughterer, Headtaker, etc. Anything with an ounce of complexity in it's code usually fails to see knives as a good proc.
I vaguely remember someone preaching that Savage Sweep knives were potent but I never tested it.
polar nexus
Rip uncanny assail
You have to weave. The hand Cannon buff was worse.
ripe quest
You have to weave. The hand Cannon buff was worse.
The throwable buff change removed weaving with Assail last I checked.
At the very least it isn't nearly the same if there are buffs that work with it.
hearty warren
Hey all, is there a reason why I can't paste screenshots in here? Just got a crazy 380 Evis and 379 Purge Flamer at same armoury stock lol
south folio
you can post images after a certain amount of "activity" (time/messages posted I guess?), which is indicated by you getting a red name
maiden path
distant galleon
man that's a tough question. Tyson is ridiculous but Kangaroos can fuck you UP
drifting wolf
mike tyson probably, unless he's going up against kangaroo jack
distant galleon
probably, but that kangaro'll give him a run for his money
..didn't he try to get someone to let him fight a gorilla?
drifting wolf
yes
royal vortex
the one successful duo game i record involves me getting grabbed 6 times in a row by a cspawn
south folio
L
misty nova
prime mike tyson or a kangaroo
Are they fighting inside any sort of pool?
calm salmon
in any "Man v Animal" man loses
man only wins when he gets tools
give mike tyson a spear and he'll fucking obliterate that roo
royal vortex
crusher/agri shotgun GAMING (i used the slug shot like 5 times)
royal vortex
it is a time honored videogame tradition
they also killed kant shotgun being the best bulwark clear by far since they removed the infinite cleave
north sedge
calm salmon
i wonder if that game has gotten any better in the last 10 years
north sedge
That's my out of context contribution
calm salmon
wtf is pib/purify
north sedge
I believe this was an elliot take
royal vortex
i think that was the old +toughness on melee kill
south folio
blood redemption right?
royal vortex
yea
calm salmon
oh
north sedge
Yea
calm salmon
I liked that for heavy sword more than ewew
but everything else got ewew
¯_(ツ)_/¯
when you can blender a whole room though, it doesn't really matter what your toughness regen is
ripe quest
calm salmon
gun>melee
ripe quest
purify in blood will remain in the gutter forever
drifting wolf
in any "Man v Animal" man loses
me when i stomp on the rhinoceros beetle and get sent flying shortly after
ornate bone
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1194646351741468672...
how
misty nova
5 stacks
ornate bone
real and true and demonstrable
misty nova
The zealot trying to help is hilarious
sterile stone
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1194646351741468672...
🅱️ exhilous
delicate shadow
polar nexus
The throwable buff change removed weaving with Assail last I checked.
My bad i meant you HAD not you HAVE. Yeah it's been fixed, like brutal momentum on the Helbore. Nobody asked for it.
polar nexus
they also killed kant shotgun being the best bulwark clear by far since they rem...
that was a stealth nerf?
delicate shadow
they also killed kant shotgun being the best bulwark clear by far since they rem...
which is the best these days?
bolter?
ornate bone
Doesn't the kant still cleave like 4 or 3 bulwarks?
Have they actually done balance patches since I hopped off?
royal vortex
Doesn't the kant still cleave like 4 or 3 bulwarks?
1
ornate bone
royal vortex
which is the best these days?
bolter or agri shotgun for zealot now
ornate bone
I don't remember it being like that
north sedge
Wtf no nerfs only buffs
royal vortex
they did it in patch 17
north sedge
Give every gun infinite cleave
frozen glen
woe immo nade upon ye
ornate bone
Oh yeah, I wasn't playing then
south folio
give duelling sword brutal momentum
ornate bone
Fuck you, give it innate crit like taxe
frozen glen
give arco brain eating amoeba
ornate bone
That way I can preach rampage
south folio
give arco brain eating amoeba
no u
frozen glen
they would starve
flat marsh
Oh did they remove the infinite fire shotgun cleave?
ripe quest
they also killed kant shotgun being the best bulwark clear by far since they rem...
Oh, how much cleave does it have now?
south folio
they would starve
you bastard
flat marsh
Think about the children!
zealous basin
ive been playing backpack battles for 10 hours straight
i can feel my teeth
i mean cant
i mean can?
i dont know man
wow stan really butchered u this time huh
royal vortex
Oh, how much cleave does it have now?
~10ish? stops on scab rager/mauler but the pellets can get around it and hit stuff behind
ripe quest
Interesting. That's a fairly significant change.
flat marsh
Infinite down to not infinite is always going to be significant lol
ripe quest
I say that because afaik it was unlisted. I wonder if the Flechette change to the Kant's fire round fixed the issue or if it was intentional.
flat marsh
We should go back to when the Kant shotgun went through walls
ripe quest
balance implications are obv in that Flamer has more room as inf cleave fire weapon and other anti-bulwark weapons having more room to compete now. If Kant can still burn 1 Bulwark then you should be able to get 2-4 with full stacks of fire if you're at range.
fleet zealot
balance implications are obv in that Flamer has more room as inf cleave fire wea...
Yee kant needed some changes
ivory marlin
I made 40$ in tips tonight
ripe quest
I made 40$ in tips tonight
oh you should buy FF14 w/ that
ivory marlin
No
coarse dagger
and thankfully none of you need to change because you're all good enough 💖
ivory marlin
No
fleet zealot
I constantly change
coarse dagger
I made 40$ in tips tonight
Buy a treat
fleet zealot
For the worse
ivory marlin
I need a car
delicate shadow
build one
frozen glen
spend it on mtg cards
ivory marlin
And im planning a trip
ivory marlin
spend it on mtg cards
No
fleet zealot
Call that evil ution
coarse dagger
For the worse
Me when I see someone testing my ability to fight the urge to be mean TBH
ornate bone
YOU WOULDN'T BUILD A CAR
ornate bone
oh
ivory marlin
And will
delicate shadow
based
fleet zealot
coarse dagger
"One Piece at a Time", like Johnny Cash said
fleet zealot
"One Piece at a Time", like Johnny Cash said
The one piece
coarse dagger
ivory marlin
I want a mustang so bad
coarse dagger
The one piece
chat is this real
frozen glen
no
maiden path
ivory marlin
Nah im good
ripe quest
Nah im good
frozen glen
exactly
ivory marlin
But im waiting for price drops
Its like 200$ for the remaining 99 cards i need and most of them are getting reprints soon so i can wait til price drop
fleet zealot
You know the free trial stops if you pay for it i found out the hard way
I cant go back to being a free player
coarse dagger
Yeah I try to remember to tell people about that but I keep missing the FFXIV discussions
ripe quest
You know the free trial stops if you pay for it i found out the hard way
I mean, if you're willing to pay for the game why would you go back to the free trial
coarse dagger
DON'T PAY FOR IT UNTIL YOU REALLY NEED IT
fleet zealot
I mean, if you're willing to pay for the game why would you go back to the free ...
Cause im broke
Im broke bitches
fleet zealot
DON'T PAY FOR IT UNTIL YOU REALLY NEED IT
Yea im dumb or it was before the free trial memes or something
It was a long time ago
And the game never interested me enough to make a brand new account
ripe quest
Cause im broke
Take comfort in that it's cheaper than Netflix.
fleet zealot
Take comfort in that it's cheaper than Netflix.
My bank account dont care
It is slamming me with that -35$ overdraft fee
coarse dagger
And the game never interested me enough to make a brand new account
I didn't know when I started playing because of the meme going around and I wanted to try a month of the paid service thinking I could go back to a free trial
frozen glen
money is everywhere
coarse dagger
just get more money
Give me your bank account info (not serious, joking)
frozen glen
people store them in their bags
u can just take them
it goes back into the economy anyway
just take em
fleet zealot
Give me your bank account info (not serious, joking)
This but serious and not joking
coarse dagger
My pee trickles down my pants too just like everyone else
ripe quest
My bank account dont care
frozen glen
trickle down peeconomics
coarse dagger
wait a minute this isn't Google
ivory marlin
I got attacked by a thorn bush :(
coarse dagger
coarse dagger
I got attacked by a thorn bush :(
rude ass plant who can't even walk around places trying to get in your way wow
coarse dagger
It's so rude for that
ivory marlin
On god
ornate bone
ok who shat my pants
ivory marlin
I wasnt even supposed to work today
ivory marlin
ok who shat my pants
My bad
ornate bone
ivory marlin
I wasnt even supposed to work today
I know who to blame
coarse dagger
I see the only dedication here really is to faith and not the shower
coarse dagger
ok who shat my pants
check again... 🫶
ivory marlin
Listen it was a long day of work and i refuse to go on break
coarse dagger
Corpse starch smear in the jorts
ivory marlin
Yummy
coarse dagger
imagine the smell.....
ivory marlin
No thanks
coarse dagger
ornate bone
ivory marlin
I have the nurgle candle
blazing swallow
Tumble weed?
ivory marlin
It just smells like axe body spray
coarse dagger
polar nexus
bolter or agri shotgun for zealot now
i assume the question was: "which is the best these days to open a bulwark?"
sterile stone
<a:emoji_28:839973105044291645>
ivory marlin
Guys maybe walking home from work every day at 11pm aint the best idea
Especially if its a mile away
coarse dagger
it really isn't, I've been there
Had some deer stare at me funny from like 6 feet away because of it
ivory marlin
<:O_shaggywtf:992662440632406097>
You got the meats or some shit whats with the name?
sterile stone
Staniel
ivory marlin
Had some deer stare at me funny from like 6 feet away because of it
Damn
coarse dagger
I LOVE YOUR MEAT - the Arby
sterile stone
<@401737241115754527> can’t believe you said that
sterile stone
Nah
ivory marlin
:(
sterile stone
Saving up for a kangaroo
ivory marlin
Oh ok
coarse dagger
I'm saving up for a new leg for Hadron
coarse dagger
I do but I prefer to think of you being alive right now. No romo
ivory marlin
Fair enough ig
zealous basin
whack
delicate shadow
mine has the incense rebreather so he might smell like blood and offal on the outside but he's huffing like 20 CCs of wintergreen and lavender oil
rocky marsh
Does gunner resist affect shooters again
misty mason
Hooooly shit
I dont think I've ever had inputs ignored as badly as this game
I think I hit 1 about 6 times and still never swapped weapons
polar nexus
i had that with F several time yesterday
misty mason
IDK if its related to an update or something, but yeah its bad atm
polar nexus
as you can imagine it was pretty problematic when i had 3 crushers in front of me
polar nexus
Does gunner resist affect shooters again
how so?
gunner resist is gunners and reapers
sadly no fucking shotgunner
sterile stone
Then go to lunch with my mom
wintry solar
ivory marlin
💀
sterile stone
I've been seeing nontop about that bridge
Did that shit happen like a day or so ago or something
ivory marlin
Yeah
drifting wolf
yes
sterile stone
I blame the mothman
ivory marlin
Then who bought me hell divers
polar nexus
Nah never worked on them
polar nexus
Dmg
stone fern
smh who wrote these tooltips
polar nexus
Footshark!
rocky marsh
@ripe quest what do you think about changing maniac to unarmoured?
only after taking unarmoured can i 2 hit gunner
without unarmoured i can't 2 hit gunner even at max stacks of judgement
body armoured bruiser die in one hit too
ember yew
without unarmoured i can't 2 hit gunner even at max stacks of judgement
when i changed my maniac to unarmoured, im not missing it since anyway 80% of the time i fight pack of ragers with Braced or Columnus
and for singles it doesnt matter that much
sometimes i throw a fire nade and kite in circle
so tldr go for it
rocky marsh
hmmm but im curious why its not listed as recommended perk on the weapons table
has to be a reason
ember yew
you can change it back anytime
rocky marsh
you can change it back anytime
not really :v
stone fern
fucking ragers are awful
rocky marsh
fucking ragers are awful
i feel the gunner threshold is worht the rager's one
stone fern
i kind only have a problem with ragers really
like am i supposed to stagger them mid combo or wait it out
ember yew
i run it from time to time
chax4
chax12 i only used for twins hm, never touched it since then
so for liek 3+ months
drowsy steppe
@sterile stone ARBYS 
ember yew
being able to give the bosses a prostate massage with chax4 is righteous
rocky marsh
<@239404785453760512> what do you think about changing maniac to unarmoured?
onl...
hmmm, both lazorr and josho not onlien too
Im just curious why unarmoured not on recommended perk list
stone fern
just shoot them
what am i supposed to do in this scenario?
ember yew
what am i supposed to do in this scenario?
Fire nade + columnus MK2 braced
will destroy this
stone fern
🤔
ember yew
you throw the nade
and immediately go for zerks
may wait 1-2 secs for fire to go off
but its not important because if you shoot zerks
trash mobs will be supressed
and die from nade
stone fern
great plan only i had no nades
ember yew
welp, thats the dt experience
stone fern
(also i only have a graia braced)
stone fern
well a good graia braced
ember yew
you could plan your way so you wont get stuck in this corner or try to run to open space
i cant really say whats this location
stone fern
i threw my last nade to save my last teammate
stone fern
ye
ember yew
another part is that rashad + chastice would be able to get out from that
but well its another story anyway
stone fern
🤔
ember yew
im trying to save nades these days
ember yew
get unarmoured and done
stone fern
for maniac right?
ember yew
yeah
and dont forget to go momentum node
i can give you exact build for fire nades if needed
stone fern
wait so its not a marty build?
ember yew
you will be oneshotting anyway
which means you are kinda lose some marty power
not like its bad
stone fern
i went from psyker to zealot because zealot was cheaper to build than psyker
rocky marsh
martyr can one shot gunner
i think it gives more AS than judgement?
stone fern
also i prolly should have gone with charge rather than chorus
ember yew
martyr can one shot gunner
i think it gives more AS than judgement?
you need to be at 5+ wounds minus
ember yew
also i prolly should have gone with charge rather than chorus
chorus is amazing, but if you are solo i dont recommend it
average pug players are stupid
up to the point that they wont res a fallen comrade
zinc talon
what am i supposed to do in this scenario?
some ideas
ember yew
while you chorus
zinc talon
yes chorus!
stone fern
yeah
zinc talon
also, was that a thammer or a crusher
ember yew
also, was that a thammer or a crusher
crusher
zinc talon
my man
zinc talon
so a thing about the crusher, it's not like the paul where every activationh is max range
light strikes are half the radius of heavies
one activation and heavy hit would've made that whole horde take a step back
and resest their attack animations
so they'd all start attacking, as a group
stone fern
yeah i need to read the guide
zinc talon
instead of one swing constantly
also, your push attack is your strongest hitting single attack aside from H1
not that the swing power would help here
but pushing would've done the same in making the horde step back
you did just fine tho considering
stone fern
yeah i was about to say maybe an active push attack would have helped
zinc talon
stun grenades also
bolter magdump
oh and
when you dodge, for the first few 'frames' of the action
you become invulnerable
just a fraction of the total dodge
but you can use that when sidestepping to slip between masses of enemies
while not being hit doing so
and if there's 'space' for you where you would land in the sidestep
you more often than not will shoop through enemies to get there
so a crab-walk sidestep dodge routine would've gotten you out of that stairwell, maybe
ember yew
so a crab-walk sidestep dodge routine would've gotten you out of that stairwell,...
this feels really great with rashad
zinc talon
ha
zinc talon
crusher is super nimble these days
stone fern
eh game was kinda doomed from the start two people left as soon as they got in a trapper net
zinc talon
if they do that, and then come back
stone fern
also early eu time everyone is sleepy
zinc talon
it's because ** ++ HERETICAL INFORMATION INCOMING ++**
ember yew
eh game was kinda doomed from the start two people left as soon as they got in a...
i remember joining a game where the guy said that 3 people
zinc talon
if you're trapped, netted, dogged, or ko'd
ember yew
left him TWO times
stone fern
my guy
ember yew
and we proceeded to finish that game
ember yew
with 2 more people joining later without any problems
zinc talon
and if you were ko'd but not killed
you will return alive but with a sliver of health
and in the interim, while you're gone
the game spawns a bot at the other players' feet
which could help them in revives etc
zinc talon
so crashing out before you're killed has some legit team saving logic behind it
ember yew
41 means some clutch somewhere
zinc talon
if all players are ko'd, though, the mission still ends
stone fern
we cycled like 5 players
ember yew
if all players are ko'd, though, the mission still ends
it could be that the bot will die
before you reconnect
zinc talon
you'll still return on your feet
ember yew
while the bot is down?
stone fern
itll prolly spawn in a better location than whatever you needed to get out of tho
ember yew
luld
stone fern
i had to do it once because a chaos spawn threw me inside a medstation
ember yew
ugly
zinc talon
the joshua graham
ember yew
oh wait
zinc talon
heh weapons customization mod makes every vendor check a fresh heaven or a fresh hell
ember yew
i didnt check what shit melk got today in daily store
zinc talon
ember yew
im at work, but who cares (its my laptop)
zinc talon
this website will show you every weapon
for every character
every hour
although it might need some plugin or extention or something I'm not sure cuz I've been using it forever
ember yew
i used that one a few months ago
but grow tired of checking it each hour
its annoying
stone fern
i wish you could buy stuff without opening the game
ember yew
if you could BUY from it
zinc talon
I am an unrepentent loot goblin
ember yew
that would be another case
zinc talon
the goblin must be appeased
stone fern
yeah besides its prolly a good idea to pick up any good bases you see for the crafting update
ember yew
i have 110+ melee and 130+ virgin weapons waiting for crafting rework
not like i need more
anyway
stone fern
sir that gun is broken
ember yew
yeah
zinc talon
with decades of study of the warp
and this gun I found
I now command the winds of magic
ember yew
is that chinese gun from aliexpress
stone fern
its a gift from the tech priests in obesius shark prime
dusky mountain
true kindle
oak ermine
This a new sticker?
ember yew
zealous basin
okay where are my drum n bass/dubstep/garage boys at
i mean that og shit
where u at
polar nexus
i got lucky with the blessings they match the ones in the guide
I would maybe try unyielding instead of maniac
oak ermine
okay where are my drum n bass/dubstep/garage boys at
The OG shit you say? (type?)
Have at thee
zealous basin
is pendulum og
i think they're at least 2nd wave
not that it matters pendulum goes nuts i love rob swire
oak ermine
I know not the history of the entire dnb, but Pendulum was certainly one of the first artists I discovered
stone fern
I would maybe try unyielding instead of maniac
maybe i think i need the extra maniac damage for now until i get better at dealing with them
rocky marsh
I know not the history of the entire dnb, but Pendulum was certainly one of the ...
i only know pendulum because of the propane nightmares meme
but to me they are like the elctronic version of fall out boys whatever era's pop band, except they did grow
ornate bone
best hammer between the 2?
faint cape
The answer is mark 15 evis
umbral kindle
I believe in Ironhelm superiority
More versatile, less clunky
Crucis is a meme, for meme damage
fading vale
ironhelm is for if you don't want to learn to aim and have cleave
crucis harder to use and more fun to learn and does more special damage
you can basically just get away with special spamming an ironhelm on H1 H2 loop and that is fairly optimal
almost no need to ever use the overhead so you just skip it most of the time, and it has noticeably worse breakpoints on maulers and crushers
does perform a little better in hordes with the special
but imo takes the fun out of aiming
fading vale
also I wish the L1 is was a strikedown
I mean the dude asked about hammers
if you are using a controller though I could never in good faith recommend a crucis
waaaaay too much aiming and other inputs to hit things reliably
fading vale
yeah you'll just have a really hard time landing crucis special on controller
coarse dagger
not a single vote for "good" LMAO
umbral kindle
crucis harder to use and more fun to learn and does more special damage
I could argue the same for Ironhelm, having a less uniform attack pattern and an overhead that can be manually triggered with a push
More special damage is also totally irrelevant
Both one shot all of them
Oh wait special action
Eh
Still the only thing the IH can't one shot is monstrosities
Crushers might cost you an F
It's only relevant on like the top handful of toughest enemies
Plus you don't stun yourself as much with IH so you can chain hits quicker
Clear mixed hordes more efficiently
"just aim" is stupid when killing 10 poxwalkers on top of the intended target is just better
fading vale
you can't argue in any world ironhelm is more complex
sure if you just sit there and do heavy sweeps on crucis, but that's the wrong way to use it
but it basically plays like a boring powersword
the overhead imo is kind of a moot point, I just don't see why it has an overhead
drifting wolf
yeah but hammers > swords
fading vale
I guess the overhead can be ok for ragers sometimes
umbral kindle
the overhead imo is kind of a moot point, I just don't see why it has an overhea...
Sometimes helps with crusher breakpoint, depending on build
fading vale
or you can try to do the skullcrusher thing to maulers
but that takes multiple hits anyways
umbral kindle
but it basically plays like a boring powersword
This also implies you're just spamming special, which is not always the case in the same way you're not just sweeping 24/7 with crucis, activating at the wrong time can lead you take hits you otherwise wouldn't
fading vale
also pretty sure it has somewhat of problem with maulers and you have to max thrust more frequently
even the crucis misses mauler one shots sometimes
regardless it is a good weapon, I just find it boring and not hammery enough
coarse birch
Its nice to see a varied moveset but its not quite there
And yeah it does have the activate swing issue (which kinda invalidates the moveset anyway)
coarse birch
Yeah thats my issue
Theres some cool stuff there but
Pushing with no follow up for h3 takes like 4 centuries
And pa is p w/e too
fading vale
you can just fall back to H1 special H2 loop pretty much all the time unless you need the stagger from H2
lower damage L1 makes me sad too
coarse birch
Yeah otherwise you have to do like a weird light heavy combo to keep sweeps
Dont remember it exactly
umbral kindle
Heavy, heavy, light, heavy, light, heavy etc
coarse birch
Which again, im all for more combos past just heavy light repeat
But you can just activate etc
drifting wolf
but its green 😡
coarse birch
Heavy light heavy light heavy light
Hear me out though
Light light
Repeat
On mk15
Now we are gaming
oak ermine
So what 
coarse birch
I actually enjoy the 15 as it feels very clean, but i can only do a game or 2 of it
drifting wolf
So what <:YEP:680246140100280380>
uga uga bam bam
fading vale
I enjoy when I see clips of people using evis and they never aim at all
obtuse stirrup
There needed to be a beginner chainsword tbh
oak ermine
uga uga bam bam
Precisely 
obtuse stirrup
it's the most iconic 40k melee weapon there is
fading vale
well the mk2 moveset just sucks
drifting wolf
🦍 🎸
coarse birch
Tbf the mk13 is just lights
obtuse stirrup
so making a version that's good for newbs is a good thing
coarse birch
As well
coarse birch
Yeah IV is more varied
fading vale
the chainswords are stronger than evis
obtuse stirrup
but I'd give the XIIIg a go at some point
coarse birch
The chainswords are actually crazy lol
obtuse stirrup
eh, XV generally kills single target stuff better right?
I mean, ogryn sized at least
coarse birch
Yeah
drifting wolf
society if the bigger weapon hit harder than the littler one
obtuse stirrup
IV is more than enough to kill any smaller elite/special in one rev
coarse birch
But the chainswords crits/cleave are near unmatched
Super high adm into unyielding and stuff too
On special
And base on infested
fading vale
it's likely imo that chainswords are bugged or they forgot something
it's the only weapon that has an insane crit cleave profile
coarse birch
Yeah the numbers do feel bugged, and looking at chainsword code it would make sense
fading vale
no other weapon does cleave damage on crit like that
fading vale
IIRC both the chainswords horde clear 2x faster than either evis
coarse birch
Yeah its not comparable
Chord can hit like 30 cleave
Or something
Not really applicable but iirc exhil said he got around that cleave
And you one shot poxwalkers on accident thanks to 1.25 adm into infested baseline
fading vale
and I think those clear numbers on the 13 are just with light spam
coarse birch
Yep
You just light
Heavy when big guy
Just a mk xv p much
With high attack speed
And better cleave/damage distribution
fading vale
this whole discussion really kind of boils back down to - what does fatshark want darktide to play like
coarse birch
Despite preferring more complex combos, i have far less issue with melee than ranged atm
Suppression/stagger or knockback
All that stuff just feels really bad and for me there isnt a melee equivalent other than ragers atm
Josho and i were doing duos the other day and he died to flamer flame knockback knocking him out of a vault and its like
Can this not happen
fading vale
I've always said that player stagger and suppression should be unique enemy things
they are just mechanics that make you feel bad
coarse birch
Yeah they could use a borderline full overhaul
Oh boy i can no longer aim
Or one reaper in the hallway meaning i can fundamentally no longer enter this hallway
fading vale
and some weapons in melee become borderline unusable or you have to play annoyingly safe without something like TWBS
coarse birch
Yeah thats one of the reasons i like faster attack speed weps
Getting staggered out of swings you have to do feels bad, when you arent greeding
fading vale
by a poxwalker
fading vale
suppose you could do something like scaling stagger with toughness but that could start to feel very inconsistent I'd guess
coarse birch
Yeah i probably wouldn't have it scale just cause of variable toughness amounts
ember yew
Getting staggered out of swings you have to do feels bad, when you arent greedin...
TWBS?
ember yew
mb, missed the part above
fading vale
it would also make toughness even more valuable relative to health
coarse birch
Yeah toughness is already super valuable
Probably doesnt need to be stronger
I actually dont mind toughness over health value wise, minus overshield on stuff like vet shout
rocky marsh
LAZORRR
i wanna ask why unarmoured is nit a recommended perk for rashad caxe
i get theres headtaker but when running at gunners i most likely don't have HT stacks
im thinking of changing maniac to unarmoured
vast basin
Well +unarmored will only really help against dreg gunners, +maniacs works against muties, trappers, bombers, dreg ragers and both flamers
Will +unarmored actually give you more important breakpoints than +maniac? Not sure
vast basin
Well bombers have a 3x melee multi so they will die regardless
rocky marsh
I feel mutie and rager good point. Flamer most likely you are going to shoot them first
coarse birch
Bombers also arent maniac
rocky marsh
Hmm yeah 2 hit mutie is big
coarse birch
Make sure your lighting maniac, not heavy
vast basin
Oh yeah they are flak
rocky marsh
I'm willing to exchange rager threshold for gunner though
coarse birch
Caxe lights into maniac are better adm wise
rocky marsh
I light everything except for cara and unyielding
coarse birch
Ok
rocky marsh
Is dat correkt
vast basin
Well if you are just initiating a fight starting with a heavy usually isn't a bad idea
If it's not maniac
stone fern
I feel like this is stupid to ask but flamer perks on curios work for flamer fire right? not just their melee kicks
rocky marsh
Ya I heavy if I do chastise too
coarse birch
Yeah its less big of a deal vs not maniac
coarse birch
I feel like this is stupid to ask but flamer perks on curios work for flamer fir...
Works now iirc
rocky marsh
Ya thwy fixed it
stone fern
Ah okie good
rocky marsh
I can help u test in a bit
coarse birch
Heavies are notably better into unyielding tho so def heavy unyielding
Same for cara
Which you said your doing anyway so
rocky marsh
I forgot your actual handle and I'm on mobile so if its OK I call you mittins
Personally do you think like it's actually a bad idea to go maniac to unarmoured?
coarse birch
Mittins is fine since mittins is not here atm
rocky marsh
Mainly bruiser scab without HT stacks
And dreg gunner without HT stacks
coarse birch
If you value that over what the other perks give you then you can run that ye
However keep in mind ht isnt hard to have up
rocky marsh
I tested, if dreg rager I shoot first, no diff threshold wise. Else it's -1 yeah.
So it's a matter of mutie & rager vs dreg gunner
How important do you think 2 shooting mutie is? Frankly it's been quite obvious, one hit when it comes, another hit when it runs away. Dies.
But it's not something I can't live without in the sense that the "without it" effects are obvious
coarse birch
Muties are p w/e to me
If your doing good damage to them base
If im taking maniac its generally for one shots/ragers
But i dont think its a huge deal
rocky marsh
Hard to decide. This patch director seems to just spawn actually 8-12 ragers straight up
Also thank for ur time
Idk why director keeps changing blob sizes though so annoying. Precious patch I only saw like 3 ragers per blob
sly mauve
if i use fury dash enemy armor gets downgraded, so if i wanna fight crushers i am putting + flak right?
rocky marsh
Crushers have carapace armour
coarse birch
No it goes off carapace perk
sly mauve
even with fury of the faithful downgrade?
sly mauve
kk ty
rocky marsh
Km pretty sure fake mittens is correct
coarse birch
Idk why director keeps changing blob sizes though so annoying. Precious patch I ...
Only thing to note here is multiple ragers cant really be fought in melee anyway
Maniac will be nice when you happen to fight them in melee
But your likely bringing something that can deal with them for ranged anyway
vast basin
Crushers can fight ragers in melee pretty easily
rocky marsh
I slash rhr first guy twice then chastise. Then pray to god my teammate help clear.
But ya I'm running kant shotgun
coarse birch
Yeah you need cc to do it
rocky marsh
Crushers can fight ragers in melee pretty easily
I'm n00b so I can't do it reliably
sly mauve
evis xv is good vs ragers with crit build
coarse birch
But yeah average i think your fine not taking maniac
sly mauve
i think it doesnt evne need grievous wounds
coarse birch
I personally take like unyield/cara
rocky marsh
On caxe?
coarse birch
Ye
rocky marsh
Isk I just hate gunners too much from last month? Patch where director spawn in 12 for both patrols and the spawn ins
Ans then I didn't want to use ranged that much so I dived in
The. Got rekt badly every time xD
sly mauve
anybody knows the cleave limit of rashad without blessing
rocky marsh
evis xv is good vs ragers with crit build
I don't like evisc because 1. I don't like how chain weapons stuck you in enemies
2. Evisc gets used in pubs alot, and it also looks super meta
rocky marsh
Also yoshi
coarse birch
For poxwalkers
rocky marsh
I'm not xtazy when I say every paych director change blob size right?
coarse birch
I think you get both now, broken up stuff and one big wave
Been playing a bit less tho
rocky marsh
I see. It feels like they cranked a5histg back up tho
sly mauve
zealots only have access to uncanny strike in knifes am i right?
coarse birch
Yes iirc
sly mauve
i just want a melee weapon that is good vs crushers
vast basin
Hammers
rocky marsh
Crusher weapon
sly mauve
and dont tell me rashad now, im coming from psyker with ds4
north sedge
Don't need uncanny for that
vast basin
Caxe
coarse birch
Chainaxe is also very good
sly mauve
locks u in tho
rocky marsh
Then go for Crusher weapon :v
coarse birch
Mk12 in particular
sly mauve
crusher can stagger ragers too?
vast basin
It works
sly mauve
because i really love fighting 20+ mixed horde melee and just mashing l1h2 or l1 with new evis
coarse birch
How does chaxe fair against horde yoshi
Mk4 is good mk12 is aight
rocky marsh
Crusher need do combos though.
coarse birch
Mk12 is way more single target focued
coarse birch
crusher can stagger ragers too?
Crusher staggers p much everything
Multiple at the same time even
coarse birch
That would probably be the mk4
Although i dont know as much about chaxe, but for light one shots id assume 4 cause it revs stuff
Unless you mean rev light
rocky marsh
Even on light? Damn
coarse birch
In which case probably both can do it
Its not like a full stick
Similar to evis heavy
north sedge
Does more dmg though
rocky marsh
Thanks. I think layer I test in psk
Maybe i replace my caxe for chaxe
sly mauve
Even on light? Damn
mk4 revs on light but not on heavies
north sedge
A bit
sly mauve
imo 12 has better horde clear
north sedge
No
coarse birch
Yeah mk4 has decent clear with heavies
north sedge
It does not
sly mauve
because lights dont stuck
sly mauve
heavies for horde clear doesnt sound right
charged heavy attacks are used for single target dmg in the real world xx
coarse birch
Well mk4 has the sweeping heavies
sly mauve
mk12 heavies huge single target dmg and lights cut fast through hordes
mk4 heavies are diagonal
and not horizontal
north sedge
Mk12 lights do less dmg
sly mauve
but faster
rocky marsh
heavies for horde clear doesnt sound right
Tbf oggies shield you heavy for horde as welp
north sedge
Also there are multiple weapons that use heavies for horde
rocky marsh
Waif so what mk4 better than mk12 at
north sedge
Horde
sly mauve
single target
coarse birch
Waif so what mk4 better than mk12 at
Horde
north sedge
And the lights are good at chewing ragers
rocky marsh
Oki
coarse birch
ST is still decent
sly mauve
u are all wrong and i die on that hill
north sedge
You are wrong
north sedge
They don't
sly mauve
no horde clear cuz almost vertical, no boss dmg because no rev, no single target dmg
meanwhile heavies on mk12 rip bosses
and lights are fast without gettin stuck
north sedge
You are even more wrong now, lol
south folio
for hordeclear, having diagonal attacks does not matter unless you're a weapon that maintains full weakspot multis per target hit
sly mauve
stagger is a thing too but yeah
rocky marsh
Might br slightly dumb dumb @coarse birch but if chain weapons stuck you, do you get hit alot?
oak ermine
what blessings for crusher?
Skullcrusher and HBlow
south folio
stagger falloff with targets hit and you'd need to demonstrate the stagger increase from hitting weakspots hitting BPs
sly mauve
ty
rocky marsh
Might br slightly dumb dumb <@1117340723692445746> but if chain weapons stuck yo...
I mean you can dodge out of it, but you lose the damage and might well just run caxe
north sedge
The light attacks on mk4 do their rev dmg very quickly
sly mauve
mercy killer or precognition on knife?
north sedge
Precog
rocky marsh
The light attacks on mk4 do their rev dmg very quickly
Do you prefer mk4 or caxe? o.o
I assume on paper mk4 has better single target than caxe but worse horde clear. In terms of thresholds. But in actual ttk I'm not sure if the different is beek
north sedge
I don't like caxe period, i find it boring
I enjoy chaxe, even the mk4 can one shot crushers if built right
And i prefer the mk4 in general use, only time i really used mk12 was twins for the extra single target dmg
drowsy steppe
Precogs always better to capitalize on knife's already high base crit chance. Iirc it's 15%
nimble fiber
will there be more episodes then 6 for invincible or is that it for the season?
flat marsh
Should be two more
coarse birch
Might br slightly dumb dumb <@1117340723692445746> but if chain weapons stuck yo...
You can, but you can dodge out to give up damage on rev now
But yeah youll get hit if you arent careful
polar nexus
with a mk4 chaxe you can just chain lights on a crusher head and stagger him to death
ornate bone
build for chorus of spiritual fart?
polar nexus
you can swap good balance for duellist
or another chorus node
wait sorry
you could go full crit above too if you want
hushed knoll
Hi Doris 
polar nexus
Hi Stan
hushed knoll
Exhillious hi
polar nexus
i am goind to bedge!
hushed knoll
i am goind to bedge!
ripe quest
Apparently someone on the subreddit was sad about the lack of content leaks and supposedly didn't know about the tasermaul or ogryn pickaxe
smh
ornate bone
got it just realized is more problematic move the blitz than the class ability
ripe quest
mrw there are no content leaks (I haven't looked for them)
spare dome
i thought i was being a bit mean in my reply to that one guy who wrote fucking 15,000 words comparing DT to VT2 yesterday
where do people find the time, seriously
i get that passion and obsession can often be one circle but yeesh
ornate bone
you can swap good balance for duellist
also i have to drop enduring faith for good balance on every build i have rn
polar nexus
You could go middle if you want but losing second wing is a hard sell
spare dome
but yea you can just
literally ask the playtesters
sequens will legit tell you stuff is happening
polar nexus
You could also go chorus + blazing piety
ornate bone
You could go middle if you want but losing second wing is a hard sell
it's feasible if i drop the revenant segment
ember yew
Apparently someone on the subreddit was sad about the lack of content leaks and ...
how could there be possible any leaks from Hawaii?
there's no internet
vacation never ends
ripe quest
oak ermine
Apparently someone on the subreddit was sad about the lack of content leaks and ...
Where were these two things mentioned?
spare dome
hawaii? ythe place from lilo and stitch?
ripe quest
Where were these two things mentioned?
the files
spare dome
you moron thats fictional
drowsy steppe
i thought i was being a bit mean in my reply to that one guy who wrote fucking 1...
Lmao
I saw the reddit post and never bothered fully reading that
oak ermine
place bets
No bets, but it’s today or tomorrow.
polar nexus
it's feasible if i drop the revenant segment
spare dome
i read five words and immediately wrote "Oh my God who fucking cares" purely out of instinct as my eyes rolled back
ripe quest
So, kind of like bolt pistol, double-barrel shotgun and melta?
Those are models, which afaik don't have presence in the files as actual weapons. 1h Tasermaul, Ogryn Pickaxe, and 2h Power Sword have shown progress in becoming actual weapons w/ Tasermaul being nearly 100% complete.
ember yew
No bets, but it’s today or tomorrow.
spare dome
I don't expect anything until end of April.
ember yew
i thought i was being a bit mean in my reply to that one guy who wrote fucking 1...
gimme the link
after playing 1000+ hours of VT1/2 combined
maybe i'l say something too
stone fern
20k words anyone?
ornate bone
mhhh maybe better sticking with knives for chorus and do a second build for immo-nades with FF, gotcha thanks👍
ember yew
erm
No pc modding in darktide - (V) (D) officially fatshark has no interest or intention of adding a modded realm to Darktide with the community attempts to fix issues through mods sometimes stopped through new updates by fatshark. After the development of Darktide is finished, no official mods means the game will die quicker then vermintide which continues to evolve because of player mods allowing for player run cash tournaments where more then 4 players can compete in crazy wacky modes against other teams.
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