zealot-class

[fleet zealot]

no

what is your build

even an aggressive martyrdom build is really tank

jsut odn't purposefully take damage to one wound, just let chip build up

[safe tusk]

Martyrdom being the tankiest build

[fleet zealot]

and play it a tad safer after HR procs

[vast radish]

let me crop out my talent tree

[fleet zealot]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor and zooming out

is good for screenshots

[safe tusk]

Do this and never die

[vast radish]

i just copied that robot youtuber's stuff

[safe tusk]

What the fak

[fleet zealot]

that's garbage

wtf

[safe tusk]

There's none of the stuff that makes Martyrdom good

[vast radish]

Then teach me, o mighty zealots

[fleet zealot]

that's also bad no HR and the path to corruption cleanse is terrible

[safe tusk]

HR isn't necessary

[vast radish]

teach me to git gud so i can have fun in auric damnation again

[safe tusk]

Unless you really want to play low HP

Then sure

[vast radish]

also note i have 2 wounds and 1 stamina relic each one with gunners resist and toughness regen speed

[fleet zealot]

this is full tank martyrdom you can swap a few points around like punishment and what nade you want to use

[fleet zealot]

you should just go 3 wounds imo zealot doesn't need stam

[fleet zealot]

i mean that's the whole point or else I'd just play momentum

[safe tusk]

Always do 3 wounds

[safe tusk]

I do it because I get over 1k effective HP

[vast radish]

does this mesh well with the Thammer?

[safe tusk]

And can play like an idiot

[fleet zealot]

death save is good and the 25% HP heal syncs with bleed for the emperor and

[fleet zealot]

No

hammer likes momentum for the backstab cdr

whether you go chastise or stealth hammer, you need a source of cdr cause hammer really likes playing around your active abilities

[vast radish]

lame, i like chunking bosses alot

[fleet zealot]

martyrdom is for basically just chastise cause it has a low cd and you use independent weapons that don't need you to play your F around

momentum build chunks bosses just as good

[fleet zealot]

IE crusher or chain axe

[vast radish]

yeah i managed to one-shot a beast of nurgle when i first started messing with Thammer builds and the momentum one pulled that off

but after that i realized i was taking way too much damage.

so not really much of a way to have a tankier zealot with boss chunking, huh?

[fleet zealot]

twbs

you need to take twbs with hammer

[vast radish]

yeah, i immediately realized that so i squeezed it into what i have now

[fleet zealot]

do you want to use chastise or stealth

im working on a quick hammer build path rn for u

[vast radish]

oh god thank you

i'm fine with stealth, that's what got me my nurgle one-shot

actually sorry, chastise instead please

i forgot it has the 50% toughness regen

[fleet zealot]

well here is the stealth one

has a lot of on dodge

[vast radish]

ill keep both of these

[fleet zealot]

and here is chastise

while also going the toughness DR aura

[vast radish]

and what woudl you go with for curios? mix of toughness and max hp?

[tropic harbor]

For Zealots it's been 3 toughness, or 2 toughness 1 hp.

[vast radish]

gotcha

alrighty, time to test this

first lobby im in with a big boss cosplayer

way more creative than another heihachi

[sharp zodiac]

I ain't readin allat

[left iron]

Defeated by letters and numbers yet again

[ripe quest]

Just had a soda explode as if it were a grenade when I opened it

0 liquid or foam came out, just smoke.

[sharp zodiac]

Skill issue

[south folio]

someone needs to improve their bomb making skills

[ripe quest]

literal pipe bomb but without the thing that makes a pipe bomb lethal

took a layer of skin off and did smth to my hand that hurts a lot

[sharp zodiac]

If you were Irish you'd make an amazing car bomb

[spare talon]

monsterous maelstrom

[polar nexus]

@fading vale https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1bhs44t/new_thunder_hammer/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[spare talon]

watched that and was going ?????? for most of them until it got to the last one

[polar nexus]

saaaaame lol

[spare talon]

this is also how this game started for me

[fleet zealot]

when you join a 99% red bar chaos mode battle in dynasty warriors 5 empires

[spare talon]

idk what that means

[fleet zealot]

fuckin lost half my empire cause all my strong asf guys were on the other end

[fleet zealot]

lots of enemies and like one squads worth of troops led by a single untrained smuck you are controlling, on the hardest difficulty

anyways have this photogenic ferret

[spare talon]

yesterday we let a kid hold a ferret at my store and immediately she held it up with one hand gripped around its neck
then she let it shit on a shelf

[median steeple]

finally time to play iceborne

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046912126746374274/1069784364306661387/2862A61B-0375-44DC-BB6F-8654C37B9B00.gif

[sharp zodiac]

When the borne

In the ice

I love this cockpit

[vast radish]

first run with the fury build went wonderfully, thank you.

the chaos spawn at the end didn't know what hit them

[zealous basin]

nice cat

[coarse dagger]

rat

[spare talon]

thats a snake actually

[coarse dagger]

well,... animal !

GRRR!

GRRRR! SNAARL

GRRRERGGBBH SNDRRFFGH RRRGH RUURGH URRRH HGRAEGH ARHH AGH AGH HRRRERGGB AAARHHH GH

[polar nexus]

I thought it was a burrito.

"Agreed, Perfect Strike is a weird one that feels like it shouldnt be good on the XV due to the 4 target damage cap but even though the XV has a high base cleave rating it will still struggle to punch through meatwalls of elites. Perfect Strike lets you cleave through huge packs of ragers, maulers and even lets you horde clear with crushers in the mix.

It's one of those blessing choices that feels rubbish on lower difficulties where you don't get the density of elites to make it worth it over rampage, but once you've seen it in action on an auric damnation mixed horde you generally don't mind the -36% damage loss."

[ember yew]

people are so lazy these days, so they go and use perfect strike on mk15

[polar nexus]

M1 Shadow Gang

[ember yew]

instead of putting momentum there and be immortal or just using classic shred rampage

just so they can cleave crushers and bulwarks occassionaly

for 30 damage

or just use BT and kill them in chain special

[ivory marlin]

Guys i have 1 redeeming quality for my choices in games

Sure i play destiny and siege

But ill never be caught dead with rust

[polar nexus]

I didn't realize chastising every 3s and staggering the entire map wasn't safe.

[ember yew]

i wonder if they are gonna touch crit cdr with balance update

[polar nexus]

Hope so

But do they consider it broken?

[ember yew]

hard to say, as it's not like they bothered communicating like HD2 devs, so we don't know what they are doing behind the scenes or think about it, i just hope if they are gonna nerf it, it will be the CDR component, not toughness regen part

[spare talon]

i hope they dont
balance be damned, im having a blast

[ember yew]

you can still have a blast for like 1 or 2 months for sure

since we don't have even a text explanation about upcoming things, only the announce of it

[ivory marlin]

Hola, soy el payaso de darktide

[spare talon]

i think the most important part change they could make would be to merge invocation of death with piety and make invocation a new talent

[misty raven]

Yup me. My braindead build of shred/perfect strike on mk15 wound zealot just swanging

[ivory marlin]

Pero no tengo “chistes graciosos”

[spare talon]

so you can t have crit cdr on momentum or marty

[ivory marlin]

Hi cole

[spare talon]

that should belong to piety only tbh

hi gale

[ivory marlin]

At some point wanna do like a shit ton of hydron?

I have like 5 rank 0 frames

[spare talon]

just do normal sanctuary onslaught for that
i do cuz i find hydron incredibly boring

[ivory marlin]

True

But still

If im not playing khal missions i cant play solo

Im permanently burnt out of soloing warframe

[spare talon]

like doing it without anyone period? even matchmaking?

[ivory marlin]

Randos suck

I need friends

But the only guy i can play with 24/7 annoys me so much

[ivory marlin]

I solo so i can pause but then i get sick of soloing

[spare talon]

i do still have kuva weapons to level lol

[ivory marlin]

Cool

[spare talon]

yes i am actually lvling them up to lvl 40
all of them

[ivory marlin]

I cant wait to play warframe with hp inkjet pro 6978

I met hp inkjet pro 7something in siege the other day you know him?

[ivory marlin]

I would but im too lazy

My karak and chakkarr are 40 that’s enough

[zealous basin]

log in to deceive inc

its $8

[ivory marlin]

Hi flip

[zealous basin]

hi

[ivory marlin]

Do you agree the word payaso is funny?

[zealous basin]

yeah

[ivory marlin]

Its my favorite spanish word

[zealous basin]

im hunting

im showing down

im about to show these noobs whats good

they aint ready for this bitch

[ember yew]

sadly hunt was an extreme rat simulator, more than tarkov

the idea is nice though

[zealous basin]

maybe in 2 star land

unironically though u are huffing insane amounts of crack if u think hunt has a worse rat problem than tarkov

or ur just bad idk u tell me

[still quartz]

If only it was set in Alberta

There are no rats in Alberta

[ivory marlin]

Or new york

No rats there either

[zealous basin]

this guy was camping my body for like 2+ minutes

[nimble fiber]

[nimble fiber]

what is that song in the background?

[spare talon]

https://open.spotify.com/track/6CuMbl3b26uBxUlH1F6JDu?si=2b09145b38254342

[daring sorrel]

what are the important / dump stats on the knife?

[royal vortex]

dump mobility try not to dump the rest

u always have 5 dodges regardless of the mobility stat

ideally u have high pen but if u dont u can make up for it w/ uncanny

[daring sorrel]

cheers

[polar nexus]

https://www.youtube.com/live/5Xm_5HwxoWY?si=ASZ-oiqnUfBud-ME&t=10509 telo and crab talk about level design

you should be able to stagger them to no end with an evis

especially with a 15 and the punishment node

[stone fern]

people talk shit about the game they played for 1000 hours for a solid 6 hours

[polar nexus]

othewrise, revolver, brauto, ciag

[coarse dagger]

if you need to take them out from afar: revolvers, braces autoguns, single shot headhunter should be fine as long as they have good stats and maybe extra damage against Maniacs if you're struggling

in my experience

[polar nexus]

they do not talk shit, what are you talking about?

[coarse dagger]

revolver 🫶

[polar nexus]

the level design part is very interesting

[stone fern]

they describe stuff as dog shit i would say that can be called as talking shit

[coarse dagger]

Dunno what point there is to bitching so much

[polar nexus]

they're critizing stuff yeah but not everything

[obtuse stirrup]

Zarona Revolver, my beloved.

[fading vale]

almost every gun deletes ragers

except for like, laspistol on maniac ragers

[obtuse stirrup]

It deals with every type of special/elite in any kind of engagement

[coarse dagger]

some more reliable than others

[obtuse stirrup]

Sniper miles away? Fuck em

Rager right in your face? Fuck em

[fading vale]

oh and don't use lasguns

[coarse dagger]

Zarona Revolver 🥰

[polar nexus]

also throwing knives

[coarse dagger]

Lasguns will make you regret many life decisions

[polar nexus]

because using a revolver just for ragers is sad

[obtuse stirrup]

Throwing knives are fantastic but harder to headshot with

[obtuse stirrup]

It's for everything

[fading vale]

I wonder how they are going to nerf the revolver

[obtuse stirrup]

Apart from regular shooters

[coarse dagger]

Revolver makes things dead

[obtuse stirrup]

Even slower reload

[royal vortex]

delete it

[obtuse stirrup]

But you do the revolver ocelot monologue

I love to reload during a battle! There's nothing like the feeling of slamming a long silver bullet into a well-greased chamber.

[fading vale]

knowing fatshark they will probably minorly nerf the damage and change no breakpoints

[coarse dagger]

why not reload between major engagements or a couple bullets at a time huh.....

[fading vale]

and then a bunch of people will be like OMG THEY NERFED THE MOST OP WEAPON I HATE THEM

[obtuse stirrup]

Couple at a time is inefficient but sometimes you gotta

[fading vale]

I mean it's the same as shotgun, just reload often in between stuff

hardly ever an issue

[obtuse stirrup]

Yeah, it's a thing to do when you aren't currently swinging or shooting

Since it doesn't 0 your mag once you start, like with a plasma

[coarse dagger]

You gotta aim anyway

[obtuse stirrup]

Nah, the Emperor guides my hand

[coarse dagger]

He can't see shit, help him

[royal vortex]

the bullet magnetism must be killed

[fading vale]

yeah

also the cleave should be lower

[oak ermine]

Make Handcannon apply brittleness on critical hits

[royal vortex]

part of the issue with revolver cleave is deranged stuff like dreg rager hitmass atm

[fading vale]

also surgical is just the dumbest blessing

[royal vortex]

those guys gotta be beefier

[oak ermine]

What mass do they have anyway, like 4?

[fading vale]

6

[royal vortex]

4

[oak ermine]

So they are a bruiser

[fading vale]

huh

[oak ermine]

Scab excluded because they are a 10

[fading vale]

why do flak ragers have like 10

[oak ermine]

Because armour

[royal vortex]

they should drop scab ragers to 8 and bring up dreg ragers to 6

[fading vale]

revolver would still hit 2 at 6

[oak ermine]

I think it sounds relatively fair

[fading vale]

sorry by hit I mean kill 2

[royal vortex]

it doesn't in the world where maulers have the same hitmass despite looking more like solid objects

[royal vortex]

u could nerf the cleave by 1 and it wouldnt

the zarona cleave is probably one of the less problematic parts because the weapon atm is carried by stupid blessings

the blessings on it rn do not make sense across the board

[fading vale]

it's kind of dumb to kill 2 or 3 gunners/shotgunners per shot given how they pack them together

[ripe quest]

Bruisers have less hitmass, iirc it's 2.5 and 3.25 or 3.5 for dreg and scab.

[royal vortex]

everything dumpsters gunners/shotgunners

they have to make them real™️ enemies before i care

[fading vale]

dumpers

[royal vortex]

like i dont think u can find a weapon in the game that doesnt invalidate them including the god awful shitty stuff like ogryn paul

[fading vale]

idk there's not a weapon I use where I have more ranged elite and special kills than a revolver

it extra trivializes them

[royal vortex]

nah

[fading vale]

yeah

[royal vortex]

u can do the same stuff with any weap. more comes down to what ppl are doing in a game

[fading vale]

nah it's the most free thing ever

[royal vortex]

there's issues with the game that revolver exploits harder than most stuff like the way crits interact with falloff and armor values

but thats not a revolver issue its a game issue

trivializing the easiest elites to fight isnt a super high bar to clear and isnt what i would want revolver to not do with the current game state

[trim zenith]

Revolver blessings are pretty reasonable wdym?

[royal vortex]

u shouldnt be able to use it at literally any range unpunished

[fading vale]

reasonable????????

[royal vortex]

and it shouldnt do full damage into literally every target

[trim zenith]

which one's are broken

[fading vale]

there are 2 blessings for the revolver and together they are OP as hell and make all other blessings meaningless

surgical and hand cannon

[ripe quest]

A Man-Stopper Agri or Lawby shreds small elites if you can get crits going.

[oak ermine]

Is there any up-to-date repository for these types of numbers? Doesn’t have to be the exact source code, but I wouldn’t mind having it handy to remember these types of details

[royal vortex]

surgical and handcannon are both considerably too strong or weapon warping. trickshooter is sad because it's a "harder-to-use" power blessing but doesnt get the full power% theyve standardized around (8% per stack at t4)

they (allegedly) made crucian reset on reload which is just like

why

when surgical exists

[trim zenith]

surgical is on a bunch of guns that you don't see

[fading vale]

did they even ever fix trickshooter

[royal vortex]

u kill something with much stricter requirements for a significantly lesser reward

[royal vortex]

what guns get surgical and don't take it

????

[ripe quest]

Up to 100% crit chance for holding right click for a bit on a finesse weapon + 60% rend as a bonus is a bit up there in strength.

[fading vale]

the ones with headhunter and burst fire lol

[royal vortex]

kickback is the only one i can think of where its mostly pointless atm

[ripe quest]

Gameslantern, source code repo.

[royal vortex]

v7 takes surgical

[oak ermine]

Kickback doesn’t have to take it. Vraks 3 HHAG doesn’t have to take it, either

[royal vortex]

agri headhunter is agri headhunter u can make the case either way because ur crit bursts are 2 shot

[fading vale]

bolter takes surgical on vet

[royal vortex]

but its like u have a weapon family with way different ways of handling. that family has a very viable pick for surgical

[trim zenith]

You're making the wrong case with the 'volver, bolter surgical actually doesn't make sense. All other surgical are normal.

[royal vortex]

????

[fading vale]

????

[oak ermine]

Good point, I don’t use this website often enough

[trim zenith]

Bolter surgical is faster for no reason

[oak ermine]

Surgical Bolter is insane on Vet

[royal vortex]

headhunter surgical is also 0.2s????

[fading vale]

how is 100% crit chance normal in any case

[royal vortex]

it's a clear distinction for weapons that fire more

dmr-style stuff gets it faster cuz ur supposed to shoot faster anyways. surgical is deranged but it's not "for no reason"

[trim zenith]

So those surgical are objectively more powerful than revolver surgical, that's why i said it's normal.

[royal vortex]

what

"these guns get surgical faster which makes the other still overpowered form of surgical fine"

[fading vale]

I sure do hate having guaranteed crits on a crit weapon

[trim zenith]

What do you evaluate blessings against apart from other blessings?

[royal vortex]

u dont evaluate blessings that way

[trim zenith]

Do you evaluate them against 5% crit perk? lmao

[royal vortex]

because that's ignoring context and what they do

[fading vale]

crucian is utterly useless

point blank is utterly useless

[royal vortex]

the blessings exist on a weapon. they interact with what the weapon does

[fading vale]

trickshooter is utterly useless

[placid fiber]

You take into account what they do, how useful they are, what situations they are useful in, and what gives you the most overall benefit

[royal vortex]

a single revolver shot does significantly more than either a bolter or v7 shot in the vast majority of cases

[placid fiber]

Revolvers get handcannon to get more benefit from whatever the aiming blessing for crit is

[royal vortex]

it's also fucking bizarre to compare a blessing on one weapon to a blessing on another, because like 90% of the good blessings in this game are giving a buff relative to the weapon they are on

[trim zenith]

So you directly undermine your claim that the revolver is carried by broken blessings. Since other weapons with statistically superior versions of that exact blessing don't perform nearly as effectivelyy.

[royal vortex]

deadly accurate would fucking SUCK on any ogryn gun because they have no finesse

[fading vale]

are you drunk

[trim zenith]

Shouldn't those other weapons be carried even harder by even better blessings?

[royal vortex]

nope

[placid fiber]

No

[vast basin]

No

[trim zenith]

thought so lmao

[royal vortex]

revolver is a bullet magnetism weapon with a gigantic finesse modifier and big cleave

[placid fiber]

Revolver is a more unique instance

[royal vortex]

u kill multiple guys in one surgical handcannon revolver shot

[fading vale]

and guaranteed crits, and also amazing base weakspot damage without a crit

[trim zenith]

This is inherent to the revolver. You are yet again undermining your claim that "broken" blessings carry the weapon

[royal vortex]

yeah and the inherent properties of the revolver are fucking SKYROCKETED by the blessings on them

[fading vale]

every time you say undermining you are undermining yourself

[placid fiber]

it's like the bull butcher with what slaughterer used to do

[trim zenith]

Every time you respond you don't really add much lmao

[fading vale]

yes because you ignore anything relevant

[placid fiber]

the bull butcher had good stats, but, it also got up to 75% more damage stagger and cleave

[ripe quest]

Or 100% PF on two of the highest stagger ranged weapons on human classes.

[royal vortex]

u shoot it into anything because handcannon. one of the main limitations of the revolver baseline is its ammo pool, when u are effectively doubling ur ammo because u get consistent one-tap BPs that otherwise wouldnt one shot on a variety of targets it gets insane

sorry if u factor in cleave its like a 0.5 or 0.3 tap

[placid fiber]

wait I think I am getting what they are arguing

Oh God

The revolver is a good as it is due to the benefits the blessings grant on top of it's base power as it is

[royal vortex]

a 50% faster surgical on a weapon that kills a decent number of targets significantly slower than revolver can and require more effort isnt actually going to make the weapon stronger than revolver because it doesn't get as insane of an effect from its blessing combo

[trim zenith]

Round of applause?

It's not carried by broken blessings, the weapon is already great and blessings make it better evidently

Example of "carried by blessings" is old pinning shredder. Completely different boat than current revolver

[fading vale]

have you used a surgical hand cannon revolver before

[oak ermine]

I suppose two-shotting Crushers with HC + Surgical is apparently not an indication of the weapon being carried by its blessings

[royal vortex]

the weapon is completely warped. ADMs on it do not exist with hand cannon (and neither does range for that matter)

[oak ermine]

Baseline revolver can’t do it, and honestly, bar its other qualities, I’d be fine with it losing at least that ability

[trim zenith]

Uncanny strike is 100% uptime 120% rending

[oak ermine]

Apples to oranges

[royal vortex]

and revolver doesn't fucking get uncanny, does it?

[fading vale]

hey another blessing that needs to be deleted

[royal vortex]

completely unrelated but yes uncanny is overtuned as fuck

[oak ermine]

We’re not talking about melee weapons

[trim zenith]

Why isn't the knife good? It has op blessing Just food for thought.

[royal vortex]

the thing is revolver essentially gets as much rending as it needs from hand cannon, last i checked its lowest adm was 0.4

[fading vale]

the knife is solid but people are just terrible with it

[royal vortex]

i mean knife is good for exactly what it does but it has hard built in limitations because u dont get much cleave

[oak ermine]

Knife is good for what it is, but it has other problems, unlike the revolver

[placid fiber]

This ^

[royal vortex]

mobility is really nice in this game and u can make it deal good single target but ppl wanna flesh tearer lacerate

[placid fiber]

It's more the people than the weapon

[trim zenith]

Does cleave come from blessing or inherent weapon?

[fading vale]

they get mislead by lacerate and then light spam completely defeating the point of the weapon

[trim zenith]

You're so close bro

[royal vortex]

do u understand what surgical does

do u understand what hand cannon does

[placid fiber]

rending on crit, crit when aiming(Yes I said those backwards)

[royal vortex]

it completely invalidates a lot of the balancing mechanisms u can throw at a weapon because those blessings exist

the revolver cleave is significantly less cool when ur guaranteed rager 1 shots for a double kill become 2/3

[fading vale]

maybe they are one of those hipfire zarona people

[royal vortex]

uncanny is completely game warping because it interacts with systems it shouldnt like DoT

[fading vale]

also completely invalidates weapon design

ah, now it's good versus everything

[royal vortex]

100% rending on a melee weapon is kind of whatever, depending on the weap obviously but knife has other weird ways to get around ADMs like crit rending n stuff

[fading vale]

I think skelly is trying to get crit rending deleted

[royal vortex]

it's super boring because it's a "must have" in the most uninteresting way

[fading vale]

it just gets rid of upsides and downsides

and everything becomes an upside

[royal vortex]

yeah its not like u really make decisions. u slap uncanny on smth and now u have a guaranteed dps into every target that isnt too dissimilar from other adms

[obtuse stirrup]

Tbf uncanny has rampup

[royal vortex]

a very minimal amount

[fading vale]

you hit things

[obtuse stirrup]

Depends you know

[fading vale]

in a game about hitting things

[royal vortex]

u can even circumvent it on shit like psyker deimos/obscurus because a special hit to a head gives u 4 stacks

[obtuse stirrup]

On my psyker I usually bring my melee out for one swing

But uncanny does other fancy things so still worth

Helps vs the 10 Crusher megapacks though

[placid fiber]

Uncanny more or less makes the weapon into a Rashad, right? >.>

with some bonus steps

[fading vale]

please delete the current caxe from existence

[royal vortex]

the achlys would be so sick if they let me rework it

there is a weapon underneath the awful numbers and somewhat redundant moveset

[fading vale]

the H1 is so confusing

why does it have 0 cleave

[obtuse stirrup]

God I hate combat axes

[royal vortex]

the h1 has a really cool idea in concept

sort of

[obtuse stirrup]

Their relationship with bromentum is a codependent mess

[royal vortex]

like its better into certain flesh targets

(i.e maniacs)

[fading vale]

the implementation is so strange

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/2nqbsb

this is fkin cool

[obtuse stirrup]

Liked the old bromentum where you didn't have to go so hard into oneshot

[fading vale]

and then it's just like well I could use 2 or 3 lights and not aim

[royal vortex]

a big win would be separating some of the moves into different categories. the push attack unironically needs to be an animation flipped antax/rashad l3 that costs stamina

[royal vortex]

everyone i have shown this to has said the same thing. it is pain

but h1 push attack is such a sick horde rotation. like its got some thoughts going on to use it cuz it costs stamina

the lights are uhhh

[oak ermine]

All or Nothing would finally have a niche

[royal vortex]

i mean u can probably fix them

what i would do is make it so the closed loop overhead chain is l1 h2 h3

[fading vale]

if the H1 actually had cleave

[royal vortex]

so that u cant do block cancels or do h1 -> h2 h3 repeating, since the heavy chain doesnt loop back to the sweep

[royal vortex]

the version of this i think would be most interesting is making BM a caxe-inherent property, and making the achlys h1 the brutallest

i would give the achlys a lil bit of cleave. like a couple points

but u cant overdo it

also probs drop it from a 4-5 dodge weapon to 3-4

[fading vale]

I'd just give it a good cleave profile and not have BM

[royal vortex]

thats super lame though

u could do things to make bm not as fkin deranged as it is rn

its an idea with potential its just been fatsharked in every iteration

[fading vale]

that's effectively the same as giving it a good cleave profile on the H1

[royal vortex]

not really

because it wouldnt interact with power blessings (outside of BPs) and wouldnt give u a significant amount of horde stagger

like caxes should require more footwork to manage a horde than other weapons because theyre more single target oriented

but a caxe with bm feels cool because the physical feedback of chopping 3-4 guys heads off at once is SICK

[fading vale]

too many things would have to change for any form of BM to keep existing

[trim zenith]

And you're guaranteed crit one shot also becomes significantly less cool when it stops at the first touch of skin. So since it goes both ways, the weapon and blessings clearly have a synergistic, symbiotic relationship. Which means can't be the blessings carrying the weapon. Peace.

[fading vale]

have you played darktide before?

[ripe quest]

The Achlys H1 not having the dumbass .5 maniac ADM is based.

[royal vortex]

the crafting rework brings us great opportunities

[ripe quest]

Makes the H1 PA really fun for Dreg Ragers

[royal vortex]

i dont actually think its that hard if fs devs can stomach deleting it as a blessing and making it a weapon property

[fading vale]

maybe one day they will fix caxe maniac ADM

[royal vortex]

i actually dont super mind it if the idea is "we want a single target weapon with a different specialization than the knife" but because dt is what it is this has failed

i remember when they made the caxe and the bb super shit into maniac

very funny

[fading vale]

maybe you could just make BM buff the cleave profile

but it would still be better than everything else probably

[royal vortex]

the best solution to this problem is to just totally rework the caxes because i dont think any solution works rn when caxe numbers are all over the place

[fading vale]

yeah

the heavies are just pointless in the current design outside of a couple enemies

[royal vortex]

the lights are also super weird in a world w/o bm

[obtuse stirrup]

Took me way too long to realise I have to light attack them

[royal vortex]

cuz the animations are a struggle with that little cleave

[fading vale]

anyone using a caxe would initially think that heavies are for elites and what not

[royal vortex]

like i think an interesting dynamic in a hypothetical world where baseline bm as a weapon property is 2 guys per swing

[obtuse stirrup]

They are! ...for Crushers.

And I guess other unyielding

[royal vortex]

like achlys vs rashad. what achlys gets over the rashad is killin like 4-3 dudes per swing and the push attack has a faster chain time back to the h1

[obtuse stirrup]

Also Mutants feel like they should be unyielding

[royal vortex]

so u can do more but it costs stamina and u have to kinda think about what ur doing with it

and because it isnt light or heavy spam 60% of dt players will never use it

[fading vale]

mutants are just

in a bad place

at best they are a minor annoyance enemy

[royal vortex]

u say this until u get dragged into a crusher overhead 3 games in a row

and then u too will fear the mutant

"there are 3 people behind me on this staircase, surely it will grab one of them" WRONG.

WRONG.

[fading vale]

only when they spam 5 mutants during a shitshow

[royal vortex]

it was a singular mutie 😢

he wanted me dead

[placid fiber]

Oof

[fading vale]

part of it is probably assuming the mutie will just be dead cause they are paper

[royal vortex]

but yeah they like have fucked up targeting

they will run through u

a lot of the time

[placid fiber]

Yeah I've had that happen lol

recently too

[royal vortex]

one time a mutie ran into my bolter shot point blank from the side

and ran through me

and just died

part of the sadness is that a lot of meta stuff just eats maniacs for breakfast

[placid fiber]

Yeah because maniacs, left unchecked, are a problem

[royal vortex]

if u have a game with a columnus user with braincells (RARE) mutants do not exist

[desert bough]

Ulgo knock them down!

[placid fiber]

rager maniacs left unchecked? Rip trash teammates... muties left unchecked? Catch you due to bad targeting... trappers left unchecked? Target a teammate and you dodge into their net...

[desert bough]

Ogryn kill them all with Ripper!

[royal vortex]

the game atm is much better about having more threatening stuff from different armor types but its an enemy composition issue that u only really solve by adding more enemies

[placid fiber]

literally had a wipe due to this on one of my games yesterday, for the trapper lol

targeted my teammate, didn't know where the net was going and I got caught

[desert bough]

Fire grenade helps lots no?

[placid fiber]

If you know to use nades lol

I am bad at using nades

so fire nades are less helpful than the stun nades or throwing knives

[desert bough]

Bah, with Ulgo all rager crunched

[coarse dagger]

KILL THEM ALL 40,000

[desert bough]

Yes Sah!

[fading vale]

I hate when I throw fire nades and kill 15 elites with bulwarks in the mix

[placid fiber]

I've always been bad at using nades, due to learning to save them for clutches

[desert bough]

Throw if helps yes?

[placid fiber]

my brain just forgets they exist most of the time

[royal vortex]

my favorite argument for why all the OP stuff that scales with density should be left unchecked is that "its designed to be aoe"

curse of 1000 games with a voidstrike psyker upon them

[desert bough]

Ulgo forget not have infinite ammo

[fading vale]

remember when void was bad but more fun than the other staffs

[royal vortex]

i do not because i played void on my first ever hi5 and got carried hard

[placid fiber]

void has never been fun for me :/

[royal vortex]

that ball was GLANCING off bulwark shields and mauler heads

[placid fiber]

even with a more proper build for the voidstrike it still felt meh to me

[fading vale]

it's remarkably overpowered now

[placid fiber]

but that's because I don't like how the staff feels

[obtuse stirrup]

Void is amazing, best gameplay experience for psyker imo

Don't take transfer peril, it is a trap

[placid fiber]

I know it's op

[fading vale]

a decent void will turn off the game

[obtuse stirrup]

It's strong vs everything besides bosses

[royal vortex]

it had its carapace adm nerfed from 1.0 to 0.75 😔

[fading vale]

DEAD WEAPON

[desert bough]

Ulgo stronger!

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/pc9skp

u just stunlock

[obtuse stirrup]

First void shot will knock that Crusher onto its arse anyway

[fading vale]

can you still 1 shot crushers with surge

[obtuse stirrup]

Don't think so but not sure

[fading vale]

(the blessing)

[royal vortex]

yes

[obtuse stirrup]

I run with DD as well and it isn't quite enough I think on the 15 stack version

Oh shit ok

[royal vortex]

it requires a bit more setup but like most psyker damage talents are effectively free regardless

[obtuse stirrup]

Maybe I lack Carapace perk

[vast basin]

I don't think you need cara for the onehit crusher

Although it's technically two hits because surge

[obtuse stirrup]

I wish you could experiment with DD in the psykh

[hushed knoll]

Good morning Sir Josho

[royal vortex]

good morning stan

[hushed knoll]

What are you up to this fine day

Pheasant hunting?

Feasting?

[royal vortex]

currently listening to an audiobook

[placid fiber]

Arguing with someone, if you count 40 minutes ago

[royal vortex]

what about u stanster

[hushed knoll]

Which book

[royal vortex]

altered carbon

[hushed knoll]

I am supervising kids at lunch

They eat lunch early in my school

[royal vortex]

they have lunch in new york?

crazy

[hushed knoll]

[royal vortex]

hahahahahahaha

[placid fiber]

What has altered carbon taught you?

[hushed knoll]

Do you think we only eat pizza and pasta

[hushed knoll]

What

Oh

The book

[royal vortex]

i didnt know they had food in new york

[placid fiber]

[hushed knoll]

We have the best food here

[royal vortex]

[hushed knoll]

You can’t beat our posies

Pizza

[royal vortex]

i suppose thats true

[fading vale]

lunch at 9:45?

[hushed knoll]

You can’t beat our garbage played

[fading vale]

what

[hushed knoll]

Plates

[hushed knoll]

We have to start lunch now or else all the kids won’t be able to eat

[placid fiber]

new york is in a different time zone

[fading vale]

that's uh

stupid

[hushed knoll]

A lot of kids rely on free lunch

So we give all of them an opportunity to get it

[fading vale]

that's fine but just sounds like the school doesn't have proper facilities

[placid fiber]

Nevermind, I am just stupid

[hushed knoll]

We do what we Canada

Can

[royal vortex]

lmfao

[placid fiber]

9:45 sounds like an early af lunch tho

[fading vale]

yeah

[hushed knoll]

U sound like an early af lunch

[placid fiber]

oof, gottem

[fading vale]

I'd expect more like 11-1

[placid fiber]

I mean ~10 I guess

[fading vale]

10 is still too early imo

[placid fiber]

Yeah but better early than late

[hushed knoll]

Sometimes as a high school teacher I have to remind myself that I am literally high school musical 😌

I am waiting for everyone to spontaneously dance

[fading vale]

[drowsy steppe]

[royal vortex]

[placid fiber]

what

[hushed knoll]

Like these kids right now should suddenly break out into choreography and sing how they have to stick to social norms

[placid fiber]

wat

[fading vale]

[drowsy steppe]

[placid fiber]

Stan I think you need to lay off the morning coffee

I think someone spiked it with vodka

[desert bough]

[hushed knoll]

https://tenor.com/view/highschoolmusical-statusquo-dancing-gif-5794533

That is the world I live in

[fading vale]

[placid fiber]

Stan must be from Mars

[hushed knoll]

Be amnesia Laz

Jesus

Jealous

[placid fiber]

This isn't a highschool musical film lol

it's the real world

[drowsy steppe]

what if, they start singing about breaking molds. Pushing barriers.

[fading vale]

hello it's me

[hushed knoll]

That’s not high school musical shush

God I love shutting down kids who are trying to get into the bathroom to vape

So satisfying

[fading vale]

how do you shut them down

[placid fiber]

with the board of education probably

[fading vale]

are they robots

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-attack-saturday-night-live-help-me-evil-robot-attacking-robot-gif-18069713

[hushed knoll]

WAIT IT’S THE FIRST DAY OF RING

SPRUCE

SPRING

WTF

[placid fiber]

spruce?

[hushed knoll]

Spring

[hushed knoll]

I yell at them

[desert bough]

Throw rock!

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-yelling-squidward-spongebob-meme-spongebob-gif-gif-25989400

Stan vs the student ^

[hushed knoll]

Churlish knaves

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-warhammer-40k-brick-grimdark-darktide-gif-7305957782246441871

[hushed knoll]

That’s what I shout at them

[desert bough]

Is why bestest

[fading vale]

I wanna hear stan shout

[drowsy steppe]

how do you press their power button

[placid fiber]

With his fist probably

[sharp zodiac]

Ah, crab

[placid fiber]

Void crab

vs huntress

[hushed knoll]

[hushed knoll]

I can be scary

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-gif-11873757655545763046

[placid fiber]

who won?

[sharp zodiac]

The crab

[placid fiber]

how?

I honestly don't know if I've been killed by one of those before tbh

[lusty turtle]

yes

[vast radish]

Good morning zealots, I am once again planning to run around with a hammer today

[placid fiber]

Good luck

I suggest you also bring nails

Or wait... did you mean the thunder hammer?

[vast radish]

I have knives yes but I'm probs gonna be looking to edit the build a bit to swap to fire nades

[placid fiber]

What ranged?

[vast radish]

Boomstick

Kantrael

[placid fiber]

Not a bad idea

[vast radish]

I also have a surgical/hand cannon revolver I can pop out to replace knives

[placid fiber]

I need to get me a good revolver before it gets nerfed into the ground lol

@fading vale Would handcannon + cavlcade make the autopistol mid at least, again?

Just wondering

Instead of it taking the Crusher's old place as the worst weapon? lol

[fading vale]

nah it would still be bad

[placid fiber]

kinda thought so

Even with full on blazing piety it would be bad...

At least it still works in my niche situations I use it in

and I specify niche, because it is by no means good even then

[desert bough]

Impact is for blunt weapon yes? What rending do?

[placid fiber]

Rending makes it so you ignore a bit of the armor damage modifier

more or less

iirc they reworked it to make it always beneficial, or at least almost always beneficial

[fading vale]

there is a pin for rending

[lusty turtle]

laz what happened to your name

[placid fiber]

Stan

[lusty turtle]

but how

[vast radish]

A revolver with hand cannon and surgical crits can almost two-shot a crusher for example.

[placid fiber]

He told laz to be amnesia Laz

and misspelled jealous

as Jesus

[obtuse stirrup]

Autopistol crits are bad iirc

[fading vale]

except amnesia was also a misspelling of jealous

[left iron]

[placid fiber]

really? That's Stan for you

[ripe quest]

They're putting this in DRG: Rogue Core wtf

I don't want to see that wtf. I want to kill bugs not venture into the depths of hell

[frozen glen]

hell yea doom gameplay

dwarf edition

[crystal kiln]

does this mean i need to be at one wound basically the entire run?

[placid fiber]

Below 1 wound in hp iirc

Doesn't have to be corrupted tho

[crystal kiln]

ok so i need to be super low hp for basically the entire run?

[obtuse stirrup]

Take no wound curios

And you can do it at 49% HP

[placid fiber]

I mean if you only have the base wounds it's 50% hp

or below

our kitty weights ~9 pounds x.x

our scale went from 193 to 202 between when I was in my work uniform and when I was holding her

[obtuse stirrup]

My cats are massive lmao

Biggest is 7.8kg

Smallest is 5.8

[placid fiber]

mine is ~4 kg lol

She's a happy kitty, but, we overfed her a bit when we first got her

Now we're better about it

[fading vale]

Steve weighs like 17 or 18 pounds

[placid fiber]

Steve is a big fucking cat tho

He looks almost twice the size of my cat

[fading vale]

his ideal weight is probably 13ish

maybe 14

[placid fiber]

My cat's ideal weight is like 5 pounds x.x

I think

We noticed her getting a bit plump... so we started doing better about feeding her >.>

[crystal kiln]

does anyone mind helping me complete a penance?

i keep getting low level teamates

[placid fiber]

what level are you?

[crystal kiln]

26

[placid fiber]

I can't help, but, I was wondering

[crystal kiln]

im getting level 13 and 16 on my team

[placid fiber]

Once you're level 30 it should get better

most of the time anyway lol

Sometimes you just get dead weight that is labeled as level 30, tho

[left iron]

Depends on the penance

[placid fiber]

it's the below 1 wounds penance, right?

[crystal kiln]

this one

[left iron]

And you're in a premade of 3 with all of you below 30?

[crystal kiln]

no its just me

[placid fiber]

If I had more time before work I would try to help, but, I gotta be at work in 18 minutes x.x

[crystal kiln]

rip work

[left iron]

I can help ya, lemme give you the FS code

4114175838

[crystal kiln]

Do you mind if we do it abit later?

I got a little busy

[left iron]

If im still playing, still need to finish a few things for uni and playing Terraria in the evening

[crystal kiln]

Oki np

[hushed knoll]

HI ICE HI ICE

[solar gorge]

that's an interesting shift in art direction to say the least

[left iron]

Hey Stan

[hushed knoll]

What’s poppin

[visual blade]

what do i need on a bolter for zealot?

[oak ermine]

Pinning Fire and probably Cavalcade

[visual blade]

perks would be unyielding flak?

[oak ermine]

Flak for perk 1, the other option is somewhat flexible

[visual blade]

or reload speed perhaps

[oak ermine]

UY is OK, Maniac is also OK

[visual blade]

i like reload speed on big guns like that. what's the consensus?

[oak ermine]

If you had to leave one bad perk due to other upgrade being more significant and the other perk was Reload Speed

It’s probably fine, but it doesn’t improve your killing capabilities

I wouldn’t take it willingly over a good damage perk

[royal vortex]

10% reload speed is too low to provide a tangible benefit and the bolter's ammo economy on zealot isnt great so u need to make the most out of each mag

[visual blade]

i don't mind killing capabilities. it's a rocket-grenade hose i'd use for dealing with crushers and daemon freaks

[oak ermine]

Well if you have reload speed as a perk, you will be only efficient against one of these

[visual blade]

unyielding + reload speed

[oak ermine]

“Efficient” is too big a word probably, though. “Specialised” is probably better

Crushers are Carapace, though, UY doesn’t cover it

[visual blade]

i was for sure they were also classified as unyielding

pity

[oak ermine]

[visual blade]

unyielding carapace

[oak ermine]

They only be Carapace

[stone fern]

i have flak elite on my bolter with surgical shattering impact locked

[visual blade]

for anything that i can dispatch with a heavy sword, i use a heavy sword

that includes elites, too

"oh but gunners" slide, fool

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/ss888b

so true

[visual blade]

the throwing knives activated my fight or flight reflex

[royal vortex]

i never take anything else

theyre simply too cool

[visual blade]

i get it but not

how good are they at cara? that might sway me on them

[oak ermine]

Bad

[royal vortex]

have to have an uncanny weapon or a surgical gun (preferably hand cannon revolver) if u wanna kill crushers with em

https://streamable.com/qzijg3

[visual blade]

WHY MUST ALL THE COOL THINGS BE GARBAGE AT CRUSHERS

[royal vortex]

i mean if u set it up right u one shot em

one of my favorite zealot builds is hs7/bolter/tknives

[visual blade]

except for revolver but i get bored of that one

[royal vortex]

because tknives are basically infinite ammo one shots on all specials and elites up to ragers (dregs significantly easier than scabs)

[stone fern]

assail uncanny is patched but knife uncanny isnt FS CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

[oak ermine]

Is this up to date with recent changes in mind? The video is quite old

[royal vortex]

nothing changed would effect this

[visual blade]

how does knives, thammer, flamer sound?

[royal vortex]

this is post hand cannon nerf

[oak ermine]

So knives still somewhat inherit properties of whichever weapon you have equipped?

[visual blade]

knives for far away dudes, thammer for thicc dudes, flamer for small dudes

[royal vortex]

i mean thatll work but i hate playing thammer/flamer cuz ur dodge stats on both weapons are awful

[royal vortex]

they havent really changed how tknives work

[sharp zodiac]

Gave em a lil scare

[royal vortex]

that change was more for assail

[oak ermine]

I figured it might have backfired on knives, but I’m glad to stand corrected

[royal vortex]

some contextual stuff like scattershot is actually mildly improved for tknives because it saves that crit chance incase for some reason u lose scattershot stacks after throwing but before the target is hit

[oak ermine]

This is forbidden knowledge

[royal vortex]

that was a +cara revolver

i dont think it one shots w/o it

[crystal kiln]

u still down or u busy now?

[left iron]

Yeah, im still down

[fossil crag]

do karnak twins and do the bell trick. now you just need to survive with 25% health

[crystal kiln]

oki invite me when ready

[crystal kiln]

?

[fossil crag]

do you guys still have space? we can do the karnak twin since thats the one i did top get that penance

[left iron]

One slot open

4114175838 FS friend code

[quaint verge]

[left iron]

Social > E > insert code

[stone fern]

damage is the dump stat right, RIGHT?

[ember yew]

🍆

[dense field]

sort of

It can be

[dense coral]

How do power up weapons work? I mean, I have 71% damage MkII hammer and 79% damage crusher. 79% pen the former and 68% pen the latter. Hammer has 250 damage on heavy, crusher 370. How comes that power up heavy hits on flak/carapace have more than 600 damage of difference?

in favor of the hammer

[dense field]

Different modes

Hammer = big single target damage
Crusher = area of effect stagger+some damage

They are not the same.

[dense coral]

maybe thet should switch the keywords

[hushed knoll]

[dense coral]

hammer has cc and obliterating

but, based on what you said, cc should go to the crusher

thanks for the heads up anyways

much appreciated

[dense field]

cc is for swinging

[fading vale]

don't pay any attention to key words

weapons are just weapons

that do different things

[dense coral]

I know that, I was saying that, since I always used the knife, for someone new approaching heavy weapons, it was misleading. Crusher has "unstoppable" and hammer cc. However thanks to everybody

[fossil crag]

asd

[left iron]

Lmao

Terraria time it is

[fossil crag]

did the game crashed?

[quaint verge]

server stopped responding

[fossil crag]

i think it might be me since i chuck knives at it though could just be server went deed

[flint sable]

This pretty good?

[left iron]

Perks are dead, other than that its fine

[coarse dagger]

blissful beast

[fading vale]

perks are garbage and the IX is mid compared to vraks but otherwise yeah

crit damage to flak or maniac, not sure which is more important on IX

[stable cypress]

Its got shit maniac mod like other hh iirc

[fleet zealot]

yes, but 25% maniac lets you hit them for closer to an effective number

at least in my experience with the mk3, maniac perk helps a ton

[stable cypress]

Yeah I always run flakiac on hh lol

[placid fiber]

I'll take 25 more

And I'll trade you a bite of my #7

It's Mike's way, no tomato, no oil, no vinegar, with Mayo and CPR(Cherry Pepper Relish)

I was starving after work today x.x

I've already eaten half of it

[ripe quest]

You can get a 5k w/ a DB Heavy except with the IX's H2 and H3.

First damage being done twice by default adds w/ DB's effect.

[placid fiber]

What are your thoughts on Turkey subs, Exhilious?

[ripe quest]

mm, they're fine. I'm vegetarian leaning though so the meat on a sub isn't really my main goto flavor option.

[placid fiber]

Ah

[ripe quest]

Best one I've had was a toasted sourdough w/ honey mustard, mayo, avocado, swiss and provalone, with turkey and mildly seasoned w/ salt and pepper mixed with oil.

[fading vale]

I hate how almost every vegetarian/vegan food video is just "how can we mimic other food the best"

[placid fiber]

I really like doing extra or double cheese on my subs

[ripe quest]

yee meat mostly just tastes like nothing for me. Feels like a vehicle for whatever it was marinated in or whatever seasonings are on it.

[spare dome]

indian and south east asian foods are the answer

it's really just us stupid ass white dudes who are like, "HOW MAKE STEAK BUT PLANT??"

[fading vale]

lol

Asian food is best food

[placid fiber]

I like meat, so idc about how vegans eat. More meat for me

[spare dome]

i can eat alu gobi for the rest of my life

[fading vale]

but also I love me a good steak

just some salt and pepper, some butter

[placid fiber]

I was thinking about doing a steak sub instead of my #7

but I settled on the easier option

[fading vale]

also I don't think I could go without seafood

[placid fiber]

I love me a #56 no mushrooms with chip mayo and cpr

[ripe quest]

I have no clue but I've had friends take up a vegan diet for fun and it seems like there are pretty decent protein options available. I could never though because my main goto for food has egg in it.

[fading vale]

not eating eggs just seems like it's going overboard

[placid fiber]

Lazorr's version of this would probably be normal or lite chip mayo instead of the extra chip mayo I do for mine

I do extra veggies, tho, as well on the mixed peppers onions and jalapenos

[placid fiber]

Seriously, tho, Lazorr: Try a Jersey Mike's #56 with cherry pepper relish. It's amazing.

I also do provolone instead of american for the cheese

[ripe quest]

eat a loaf of bread no seasonings or anything just a full loaf of bread

[placid fiber]

I've done that >.>

It's dry

[ripe quest]

tf get better bread

bro it eating rye or smth

[placid fiber]

Even with Jersey Mike's bread it's still dry

which is freshly baked that day

[ripe quest]

I have 0 faith in Jersey Mike's for having good bread

[spare dome]

i dont trust any bread made on the north american continent

[placid fiber]

Maybe not "good" bread by your standards, but, it way surpasses the basic bitch bread I've had before

and by dry I mean when I take a large bite out of the loaf

It's not like dry dry, but, it is not really moist either

Ooo I feel like doing some RoRR tonight! >:3

[ripe quest]

It's either just shitty bread or intentional so it absorbs oil and sauce better.

[placid fiber]

I'm gonna do some default sniper loadout runs, I think, in RoRR. This is the 1st time in a week(roughly) that I have felt like playing games x.x

Well it's baked with um

cornmeal on the bottom of the tray's segments for the bread

the bread also comes as frozen dough that we leave out for the night to let it thaw for the next day

well we leave in our cooler

If you don't spray the bread well enough with water it gets worse, but, when done right the bread is pretty descent for sub bread. I've only had Casey's and Subway, though, for other sub bread... and it way outclasses the bread from both of those places

[fading vale]

jersey Mike's bread is better than most places

[sharp zodiac]

Another first try

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/toilet-paper-slot-machine-las-vegas-quarantine-casino-gif-16785818

[pliant lichen]

hey guys, what do you think about enduring faith vs good balance talents on a non-crit build that runs charge? cant decide between the two, I run second wind as well, seems to be the best out of the 3

[steep hound]

On a non-crit build I'd go good balance over enduring faith. Especially if you're running other dodge talents, you'll be able to synergize better with fewer mechanics

[fading vale]

you don't need either enduring faith or good balance, but in this case good balance would be better

personally I'd just take more damage

[steep hound]

Having some defensive talents helps you pull through the occasional tight spot where you get bad positioning vs a bunch of ragers or crushers or whatnot. That stuff happens and I'd rather have a way to survive and avoid the occasional wipe over squeaking out 5% more damage

But that's just like, my opinion man

[bitter anvil]

Does that equally shit like subway?

[steep hound]

How do my fellow zealots feel about the laspistol X? Haven't used it on zealot before. Is this a decent start for rolls?

[ripe quest]

Subway has arguably worse bread but also I don't eat at Subway for a good sandwich.

[visual blade]

do i consecrate this or do i try to get a better base?

[bitter anvil]

Mines area has okay bread

[fading vale]

Jersey Mike's bread is way better than subways

[fading vale]

this is good enough to upgrade

[bitter anvil]

It is the bread of subway too soft?

[visual blade]

thank you, laz jesus

[bitter anvil]

Or the taste is bland

[visual blade]

bricked

[fading vale]

uh, idk subways bread at least last time I had it is exceedingly mid

[visual blade]

gigabricked

[steep hound]

Yeah, bail

[visual blade]

ultra giga bricked

[bitter anvil]

Probably your area has bad bread

[visual blade]

there goes 1400 plasteel

[fading vale]

elites is fine, technically could be saved on last upgrade

[visual blade]

well, see you guys in a couple more games

[steep hound]

Why you spend more? Haha rip

[pliant lichen]

thanks, I feel bad running dodge talents without swift certainty but loving martyrdom right now

[fading vale]

wait this is actually solid

[visual blade]

i only have thrust 1

keep in mind

[fading vale]

well

when you find better thrust it's good

[bitter anvil]

Save for later

[visual blade]

NOOO i just sold my 9% first target hammer

[fading vale]

I've only ever rolled T4 slaughterer really and had to get lucky from melk for thrust

[visual blade]

i'm getting so many decent hammers, actually

[fading vale]

and that's just like 800 hours of rolling only hammers

[visual blade]

like, not 360+, but a solid spread of stats

[fading vale]

rip dumping damage and first target

[visual blade]

it's unfortunate, sure, but it's definitely usable

selling them cuz the rating is garbo but still. if i had to use a hammer with these stats, i would not be upset about it

[placid fiber]

Hey, Lazorr, want to see what happens when you get stupid amounts of equipment cdr in RoRR? lol

This

[visual blade]

this is pretty interesting though

[placid fiber]

Sorry I forgot to mute my music before recording that

[proud scroll]

Bruh wtf is up with the load times today

[placid fiber]

It's "This Means War" by Aviators x.x

[proud scroll]

You really want 360+

[visual blade]

what's highest toughness % on curios?

[proud scroll]

17

[visual blade]

cool. getting these 15s and 16s then

[coarse dagger]

good afternoon fellow insane religious fanatics

https://youtu.be/85r7lpVlcTs?si=ZnuR54pZHdmATh1o

[fading vale]

man I wish I would have recorded Steve on meds

you have never seen more aggressive head bonks in your life

[placid fiber]

@fading vale This is what happens with the item spawning equipment lol

[fading vale]

I have never seen this game and know nothing about it

[placid fiber]

Well I am messing around with the Artifact of Command, which is why you see those item chests spawning instead of random items. It is making it so I can choose what item I get from that tier of item

and rapid mitosis reduces the cooldown of equipment by 25%(for each one). Where are Beating Embryo(the red/pink thing I posted with this) gives your equipment a 30% chance to duplicate the effect(up to 100% at a stack of 4, like I have)

It's probably not your style of game, this is just me messing around trying to get a captain's brooch in an equipment chest later so I can grab it for the judgement run

but I am also testing out how the sniper does with tons of attack speed

basically no item rng from item drops(besides the rarity of the item(White{Common}, Green{Uncommon}, Red{Rare}, Yellow{Boss}, and Orange{Equipment})) makes the game a lot easier

It's like if you got a 380 thammer and got to choose what 2 perks you got and what 2 blessings you got(and it randomly gave you a tier 1-4 on them which would be the only rng on it)

[lusty turtle]

just a reminder this is a darktide discord phil and some people probably are here to talk about darktide and not other games

[placid fiber]

Anyway: @fading vale What are the ideal stats for the Crusher. If you got like a 340 would you want the Damage, Pen, and Crowd Control higher than the Power Output, due to the finesse not affecting powered attacks?

[fading vale]

anything crusher related I refer to the guide or josho

[placid fiber]

Okay @royal vortex if I have to choose 3 stats to have higher on a Crusher(due to having like a 320 or 340 rated one) what are those 3 stats that I want to be the highest?

[autumn briar]

'ello again, now I have been on a hunt for a decent secondary for my support Zealot. Should I keep improving this (and how), or should I instead start building a Zarona II revolver instead?

[royal vortex]

damage/pen/power output

[placid fiber]

then Crowd Control as the 4th more important stat?

[royal vortex]

yea

[royal vortex]

swap gloryhunter for a crit blessing of some kind. or just keep it until future balance changes cuz agri revolver is just kinda bad atm

[placid fiber]

Okay what about on the Revolver? I am thinking about getting a Crusher and Revolver somewhat soon

for the more important 3 stats

I mean x.x

I want to see what all this hype about the Revolver is, and I want to get a good feel for a Crusher as well

[autumn briar]

aight. Do the perks look alright?

[royal vortex]

flak is good, elites is ok but u can maybe swap it for maniac

[royal vortex]

mobility/reload speed are the least important but reload speed is probably gonna have to be smth u test to see what level ur comfortable using

[placid fiber]

I just was wondering, is all, since I am thinking about getting a descent Crusher and Revolver sooner rather than later

[autumn briar]

I guess I'll stick with this until I find a better Zarona II or they buff the Agri then

[steep hound]

This looks good. Yeah this revolver is fine, the zarona is pretty op atm so it feels a lot stronger

[placid fiber]

@royal vortex 1 last thing I want to bother you about, sorry about trying to get this info up and front like this: Are there any things the Agripinaa Revolver does better than the Zarona Revolver?

[autumn briar]

would like to know that as well

[royal vortex]

uhhhh

boss damage

but in most cases the difference is not huge

[placid fiber]

So I could use the Agripinaa if I wanted to feel like I had more ammo, due to my chance of missing due to bad aim?

[royal vortex]

nope

because its less accurate than the zarona

[placid fiber]

Wait what?

[royal vortex]

it has the same bullet magnetism but it has sway/spread

[placid fiber]

It has less damage, more ammo, but, it is less accurate?

[royal vortex]

ur gonna hit less shots than a zarona

[placid fiber]

Screw that, then, I will go with the Zarona when I get a good revolver. :/

[steep hound]

yeah the zarona is just straight up a better gun. But it is overtuned, its stronger than pretty much all guns (other than plasma and CIAG)

[ember yew]

Fatshark RNG casino: "evil laugh"

[steep hound]

except, like Jin said, boss damage. The agri can melt bosses if built right. But thats extremely niche

[ember yew]

and boss melter agri is for veteran

at least from what i saw

not like its needed though, more like for memes

https://tenor.com/view/mc-cree-do-you-have-the-time-high-noon-triggered-time-gif-15737410

[visual blade]

what switching builds from a martyrdom to a piety does to a man

[ember yew]

always check 1 hour store update to get your relics from there

if you are online

[visual blade]

these are 16s and a 15. not getting much better

[stone fern]

marty is such a cheap build 😭