zealot-class

[sterile dune]

or maybe hes so good he head shots 4 in a row

2 ragers then 2 crushers

[spare talon]

i could hear it though
he was using it like an agrip

[delicate shadow]

improved horde clear poggers

[spare talon]

i could hear the shots

[sterile basalt]

I’ve seen people voluntarily put terrifying barrage on purgatus, this is nowhere as bad

[calm salmon]

driving a semi-truck and still misses the pedestrian

[sterile dune]

lol its like a plasma gun without the plasma basically

[fading vale]

if only you could use surgical and kill 2 ragers per shot

[sterile dune]

Hey whoa whoa whoa when I first started I thought it was awesome because enemies wouldn't hit me from behind

[spare talon]

i do find it funny that this guy was also staying up the most (i was having a pretty bad game lmao)

[calm salmon]

fatshark when patch

gimme reason to darken the tides

[spare talon]

new update drops when i get a gf
enjoy the wait

its gonna be a while

[calm salmon]

just go play final fantasy 14

you'll get one in about 10 minutes

[spare talon]

i didnt say girlfriend (male)

[delicate shadow]

well that ruins my epic own I had planned

[calm salmon]

no I can't make that joke

I really wanna make that joke

alas

[spare talon]

what was it lol

[delicate shadow]

well I thought if my name is sheila I may as well get value out of it

u pay for dinner ofc

[fading vale]

lol

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-callmecarson-no-sad-gif-16368821

[fading vale]

are you aware of stans face blindness

[ripe quest]

guys this isn't going well

[delicate shadow]

he can't remember faces?

[ripe quest]

[fading vale]

he thought it was Django

and then called Megan fox Keira Knightley

[left iron]

What are you downloading?

[fading vale]

(this has been ongoing for months)

[ripe quest]

FF14 expansions

[delicate shadow]

I can forgive the latter, at least I can forgive stan

the former is fucking hilarious tho

[calm salmon]

face blindness be doing that

[left iron]

Uh

Have you done the autotuning fix before?

That might be the issue

[fading vale]

Dough makes the best memes

[coarse birch]

stan was also convinced that the top right was keira knightly

[ripe quest]

What would that entail? Never heard of it.

[delicate shadow]

yea ik, I said that one is at least forgivable (for stan)

[ripe quest]

My internet is super shit but I am willing to try anything

[fading vale]

he has mixed up many more people

almost every time you ask it's the wrong person

I think uh, Bruce Springsteen and Billy Joel was one

[misty mason]

are you aware of stan's keyboard blindness?

[fading vale]

lol

[spare talon]

i started the free trial of ff14 and honestly had a pretty good time
but i think the #1 thing keeping me from playing it is the sheer fact that once i get to the more current stuff im going to have to pay a subscription

[delicate shadow]

I couldn't do the levelling

[spare talon]

i think the subscription is priced fairly and its cool that you can just drop the sub anytime and pick it back up when you wanna play more
but its just the sheer fact that its a subscription

[ripe quest]

It always spooks me when a command's feedback is "Ok."

[spare talon]

that is keeping me

[ripe quest]

There is a little man in my computer

[calm salmon]

i can spend 40 bucks on a game and put in 1700 hours

why would I ever pay a sub

[left iron]

I had this exact same thing, i went from like 2 mb/s to 50 mb/s

[spare talon]

it should be "yeah sure man, whatever"

[fading vale]

why is powershell so awful (I know that's just a command prompt)

but holy shit powershell is terrible

[fleet zealot]

computers are just lightning magic controlled by rune wizards

[north sedge]

Stan mixed up eric clapton and jimi hendrix too

[ripe quest]

Powershell is only as bad as you let it be.

[fading vale]

like who made the syntax for powershell AND WHY

[fleet zealot]

How the fuck

[radiant nacelle]

Stan isn't a real person. He's just an AI experiment.

[calm salmon]

face blindness

[ripe quest]

Is this an installer specific thing or just in general? I also imagine I should restart the download and/or computer.

[fading vale]

in Linux I can figure out basically any of the commands easily but the syntax for powershell is just an enigma

[spare talon]

thats also true
but i think the main thing for me is if i decide i dont want to play for a short while, canceling it to resume later means ive basically put down the game completely until i am ready to go all in again, i wont have the option to pick it up for a day or so without paying more than i want to

[fleet zealot]

Hey guys next week stan gonna confuse a butch lesbian with adam sandler

[calm salmon]

I don't actually know what what cristopher nolan looks like

so that captcha would also fail me

[fleet zealot]

That is more than face blindness that is also colorblind and deaf

[north sedge]

Every Christopher is either a nolan or a reeve, no he does not know which is which

[left iron]

Its just some weird shit going on with the installer for some reason. You can set the setting back to whatever it was afterwards if you want to

[fading vale]

networking stuff is a pain

[ripe quest]

I got real comfy w/ it real fast back when I did DRG modding. Shit sucks ass you need to cmd prompt for edits then check the file to verify the edits were correct. If a single " or 0 was wrong the entire command didn't work with a general error

[fading vale]

basically voodoo magic

[coarse birch]

i am not a fan of networking

[fading vale]

oh the error messages are one of the things I hate the most

so incredibly unhelpful

[coarse birch]

wym a "error" message that doesnt explain where in 1k lines of code isnt helpful

[fleet zealot]

Dear god i thought grim dawn modding was terrible

[ripe quest]

Holy shit post-dial-up download speeds

[left iron]

[fading vale]

DSL era speeds

oh boy

[ripe quest]

DRG modding is such an unfun experience. It's like, kinda interesting because you can do some cool stuff but also like, it took me 2 weeks to learn and implement a custom overclock and I got super upset when I realized I had to unlock it because of it being a new OC and not a replacement.

[fading vale]

overclock gating is my 1 complaint about DRG

[ripe quest]

I was fresh off of Terraria modding too, which is actually a really supported experience that has like, readable code.

[calm salmon]

what's even the process

like one a week or something?

[proud scroll]

SHOULD I SWAP SHRED TO RAMPAGE?

i wanted to do crit build

[calm salmon]

without yelling, yes.

imo anyway

[fading vale]

well when I played you were limited to uh, a few a week or something I forget exactly

now I think you can play a billion hours and unlock faster

[proud scroll]

can i run it with crit build without shred?

like aheavy sword

[fleet zealot]

Why did you lock in wrath on the mk15

[north sedge]

At least two guaranteed from deep dives plus whatever machine events you find

[coarse birch]

itll be worse but yeah piety is still good

[proud scroll]

oh is that not good?

[ripe quest]

Do machine event to turn blank cores into a random OC, you get 3 picks as for what it could be but it's just for if it's a cosmetic/weapon and which class. You can get a blank, weapon, and cosmetic OC from the weekly and you can get them from the Deep Dives.

[proud scroll]

the other options weer terrible lol

[calm salmon]

I dunno. My experience with DRG has been:

1. Where do I find anything

2. How do I start a match

3. Getting called a [redacted] in a difficulty 1 mission because I was brand new to the game and had no idea what I was doing

Had that, and just kinda gave up on it

[fading vale]

I put like 500-600 hours into it

probably took 300-400 to get all the overclocks

[fleet zealot]

Mk15 has a hard damage cap of 4 so any extra cleave is just stagger usually best way (or most brainless way I found to play it) is to go rampage perfect strike into a crit build

[proud scroll]

ugh sad

[calm salmon]

yeah I don't really understand why games put such massive time-gates on mechanics

just

[fleet zealot]

Once your keystone and scourge are ramped up you have +55% crit chance

[proud scroll]

rampage shred no?

[calm salmon]

make a game that's fun to play

[ripe quest]

Rampage + Shred is pretty decent as well.

[calm salmon]

there's no reason to have such massive locks on shit

[coarse birch]

yeah shred works fine too

[fading vale]

outside of that DRG is purely fun

[fleet zealot]

Perfect strike is the exception for mk15 not liking cleave blessings

[fading vale]

that was the one annoying mechanic

[north sedge]

Eh you just eventually get it all by playing

[fading vale]

can we please stop suggesting perfect strike on the 15

[ripe quest]

I think OCs are the biggest issue with DRG but literally everything else is 8-9/10.

[calm salmon]

rampage+momentum is the only thing I'll suggest for mk15

mash w

[fleet zealot]

No cause i played that shit for 3 missions and it was braindead

[calm salmon]

faceroll keyboard

win

[fleet zealot]

Like, rashad but worse braindead

[coarse birch]

tbf crit build is also pretty face roll

[ripe quest]

You don't need them on 3's and 4's and once you get one or two for a weapon you like it's just small improvements from there.

[fading vale]

like what are you doing light spamming crushers

[fleet zealot]

Mauler and flak rager packs

[calm salmon]

rest in peace brutal momentum

[fleet zealot]

Maulers*

[calm salmon]

i miss being able to cleave through bulwark shields and crushers

[coarse birch]

i hope BM dies a slow and painful death

[fading vale]

ok savage sweep handles maulers and flak ragers if thats what your into

[fleet zealot]

I was face tanking whole elite packs mixed in hordes

[fading vale]

you still won't do any damage but

it's the same thing

except for carapace

[calm salmon]

Power Maul is the best example of how shit brutal momentum is as a blessing

either you have the bp to proc it attack 1

or its a dead blessing worth nothing

[fleet zealot]

Taxe as well

[coarse birch]

and being able to proc it creates fuckin

[ripe quest]

It should def be a Caxe mechanic.

[coarse birch]

all the stuff it does

[fleet zealot]

Also swing angles are huge

[ripe quest]

Taxe can get enough from Zealot's damage increases and Taxe having +power blessings.

[fleet zealot]

Not having a good swing angle on your attacks that could 1hit bp also makes it meh

[calm salmon]

this conversation just makes me think about the new weapon system though

are they going to abandon blessings

[fleet zealot]

I subscribe to the new double power blessing taxe

Over BM

[calm salmon]

or are we going to keep them, just with a different way to get them

only fatshark and the playtesters know

[fleet zealot]

Since they gave taxes 3 cleave trying to bandaid them

[fading vale]

people would mald way too hard if they got rid of any current blessings

[sterile basalt]

It’ll be like 6-7 months out tbh

[fleet zealot]

People malded about BM when it was changed

[fading vale]

I SACRIFICED MY LIFE FOR POWER CYCLER AND YOU DO THIS????

[fleet zealot]

And we are talking rashad users

[calm salmon]

They would need to do a complete overhaul top to bottom to weapons to get rid of blessings

like

[ripe quest]

Based on what I've seen we'll still have them in a similar capacity.

[calm salmon]

tarkov tier overhaul

[fleet zealot]

Except rashad is actually better with new BM

[calm salmon]

for it to go over smoothly

[sterile basalt]

This week should have at least a small update before Thursday for cosmetic rotation
Then probably penance update in April

[calm salmon]

the penance update also has me scratching my head

who asked for that

[fading vale]

genuinely who gives a damn about penances

[ripe quest]

If they're adding new weapon blessings in the same format as we currently have them, and also adding the new format of the weird blessing/perk stuff then I think it's fair to assume that we'll get both.

[calm salmon]

there's like

2 penances that are dogshit

make every shot count and monstrous malleus whatever the fuck

[sterile basalt]

I wouldn’t say no to free cosmetics tbh

[calm salmon]

everything else is literally just "Play the game and you WILL eventually get them"

[fading vale]

I would say several zealot penances are dogshit but for different reasons

like the stun ones in particular

[calm salmon]

fair

I got all of them a long time ago

so I'm uh

clouded on my vision of them

[sterile basalt]

I still don’t have ogryn charge 60 enemies in one go

[calm salmon]

hi-int auric

use shield

[fading vale]

they have penances saying "stun hordes" which is the worst way to use stuns

[calm salmon]

park ass in corner

wait until horde is around you

press F

[ripe quest]

It's a bit of a weird update. They probs dislike it so they're working on a new system, seems like it'll give us more penance cosmetics which I am 100% for.

[calm salmon]

its not like

hard

Just really weirdly designed with the new horde mechanics

poxwalkers spawning in 4 groups of 20

instead of one group of 60 like ye olden days

[fading vale]

also there aren't enough horde enemies anymore

yeah

[sterile basalt]

I also don’t have the one where u need to kill 120 in 30s

Frenzied killer 3 I think

[fleet zealot]

Yee variant horde system

[sterile basalt]

Highest I ever got was 117

[ripe quest]

I got that entire line of achievements in one go when I ran Flamer on my first hi-int Damnation like a year ago or smth.

[fleet zealot]

I think they should change the staggered smaller horde so that each wave comes from a different flank

[fading vale]

I never feel the need to be like, I'm gonna wade through a horde anymore

[calm salmon]

there's 2 areas

[fading vale]

or that it's something I ever need to pay attention to

[calm salmon]

hab dreyko finale

and the door room

on the ammunition mission

[fleet zealot]

I feel it still lazor just depends on the director tbh

[calm salmon]

those are the only two rooms left in darktide that actually feel like old darktide but moar

[coarse birch]

you can get full hordes still

[fleet zealot]

Ive still gotten into complete mega dense hordes

[coarse birch]

but its less likely

[fading vale]

it's just so rare idk

plus everyone has horde delete buttons

[fleet zealot]

They just arent as common and most people know how to wipe hordes now

[calm salmon]

maelstrom is the most common

[fleet zealot]

So you dont even notice

[calm salmon]

since the AI director spawns everything at once in maelstrom

[coarse birch]

yeah the packs also cant get built up cause everyone has 30 cleave or can just delete it

[calm salmon]

a weird choice, but I get it.

[fading vale]

maelstrom doesn't change that

do you mean auric

[calm salmon]

"Here's a horde of poxwalkers, elite patrol, boss spawn, and specialist wave all at once"

auric maelstrom I guess

i dont even think of the regular maelstrom that exists

I had totally forgotten it was a thing

[coarse birch]

yeah i forget that exists too

[fading vale]

auric just doubles the allowed "tension" in general

so it says hey I can spawn more stuff

until reaching a higher tension

[coarse birch]

HISTG in particular doubles the allowed special spawns too iirc

[calm salmon]

like I said: Poxwalkers, elite patrol, boss, specialist wave all at once

its 8 in regular, 16 in auric

and maelstrom auric just ramps their spawn rate

[fading vale]

maelstrom does not have anything to do with it afaik

it just has more modifiers and built in shock

[calm salmon]

auric maelstrom has less downtime between events

on top of all of the modifiers

[fading vale]

I don't think so

[calm salmon]

so special waves spawn faster

enemies don't respect teammates dying

stuff like that

[fading vale]

you are the first person that has said that

Tyr says it's only auric that makes a difference

[ripe quest]

yee Auric has the Tension mod

[fading vale]

which is quite misleading to players imo

nowhere does it ever tell you that auric is a new difficulty

[ripe quest]

Maelstrom itself from my understanding is just a normal mission with a bunch of modifiers applied, same modifiers that include Auric and Hi-Int n whatnot.

they got like, a list of addons for the mission

[calm salmon]

I mean, it is on a completely separate mission board

[coarse birch]

i think it mentioned it in the patch notes/announcement thing

[calm salmon]

so you could with deductive reasoning find out through that that its harder than the other board

[fading vale]

yeah but it's not like you can choose to play decent damnation missions on the regular board

so

[ripe quest]

fairly sure when you unlock it it tells you about them being elite-persons related

[fading vale]

you are kind of forced into it

[calm salmon]

I dunno

[fading vale]

if you want to pick missions

[calm salmon]

I think we're kind of at the point of Darktide's lifecycle where the NPE just doesn't matter

everyone knows whats up with auric

or have friends who do

[fading vale]

see pubs

going into auric while having 0 experience

and failing massively

[calm salmon]

that's a different problem

its less of a ladder

and more like a uh. . . getting smashed at mach 5 by a dump truck

[sterile basalt]

HiSTG will just throw hound, flamer and trapper one after another after another behind u continuously in a horde

[fading vale]

if they could reliably play damnation with different maps and modifiers then... idk

[calm salmon]

the real problem there is not intelligently disclosing that if you can do damnation hi-int, you should probably play heresy auric first before doing damnation

i dunno

maybe doing it the hd2 way would make more sense

Sedition>Uprising>Malice>Heresy>Damnation>Auric Heresy>Auric Damnation

all in one "spinnable wheel" or whatever

[ripe quest]

there are literally level requirements for difficulties

[calm salmon]

instead of two separate pages

[fading vale]

let's be honest the level system is pretty pointless

[calm salmon]

yeah it didn't stop anyone in VT2 either

god I wish hd2 had a level cap though for its difficulties

speaking of

even a marginal gatekeep goes a long way in keeping the shitshow contained

[polar nexus]

i didn't know regular damnation could spawn 10 ragers and 3 crushers at the same time (like not auric, not hisg, just casual damn)

[calm salmon]

the only thing that really changes between the two is quantity of specials and downtime between events

like 10 ragers and 3 crushers isn't really a problem

[sterile basalt]

The spawns past 2 days were working for me in regular damnation

[calm salmon]

it is when you get 5 trappers back-to-back

[sterile basalt]

A lot more specialist & elite spawns than the week before

[calm salmon]

or 3 trappers, 3 flamers, 3 dogs, 2 snipers, 4 bursters

[polar nexus]

that felt like a lot, and i do auric most of the time

[calm salmon]

or whatever nonsense the AI director throws at you

[ripe quest]

I don't particularly think this is a fair statement just on the fact that everyone involved here has surpassed the influence of the leveling system. It's just a progression system, for normal people it gives a steady stream of unlocks instead of everything all at once.

[polar nexus]

yep

[fading vale]

ok sure but I mean in relation to difficulty

[calm salmon]

damnation has made me sleep though since I started doing auric only qp

the special waves just uh

[fading vale]

it's not like once you hit 30 you are magically ready for the hardest mode

[calm salmon]

big 💤

[fading vale]

but it seems like people get that impression

[calm salmon]

you could throw practically infinite regular enemies at us

and we'd be fine

its the specialists that end games

and them being locked to 8 and large gaps between them means very little threat to the team

[polar nexus]

yes, me too, but 10 ragers

god damn

[misty mason]

Hey you don't need to be ready for damnation if your team is 💀

[left iron]

MHW does this as well, the games like 'oh, you beat the final boss in the story? Yuuup, heres Alatreon, go gettem champ'

[calm salmon]

I wonder how darktide would feel now that I have an unhealthy amount of hours in HD2 though

[polar nexus]

my fault for being taken by surprise tho

[left iron]

And then they get bodied for 20+ hours straight and leave a negative review

[fading vale]

plasteel/ordos are also part of the problem

[calm salmon]

the bots are literally everything wrong with Darktide cranked to 22

[ripe quest]

mm, I do think the levels unlock diffs a bit early for that yee.

[calm salmon]

I get the feeling darktide, even though I'm out of practice, will be even easier after the shitshow that is helldive bots in HD2

[polar nexus]

i love trapper trains (jk)

[fading vale]

what if you just made friends and had fun fucking around in the fuck around game

[calm salmon]

that's what helldive bugs are for

[ripe quest]

Yeah that's pretty typical of a game you have over 2k hours in vs. a game that's still somewhat new.

[calm salmon]

I wish arrowhead cared about balance more

but fuckin whatever

I'll just go play MGS5 on objectives

that's still entertaining

but not really what I signed up for

[fading vale]

like the other day we all brought barrages and shield gens and just tried to stand in the middle and hope for the best

10/10

[ripe quest]

That's a small minded take

[calm salmon]

i learned about stun grenades the other day

now I make pubs go brainexplode.gif

every time I use them

Stun bile titan>throw 500kg bomb

guaranteed kill every single time

[fading vale]

wait they stun titans?

[calm salmon]

yep

[fading vale]

lol

[calm salmon]

they stun everything

for some reason bots its half as effective though

bots get stunned for ~4 seconds

bugs get stunned for ~8

give or take

its probably closer to 3 and 6

[fading vale]

I haven't tried stuns

[calm salmon]

kind of annoying trying to stun a hulk and watching it wake up after I shoot once with my AMR

[fading vale]

too busy malding at impacts being so inconsistent on chargers and trying to figure it out

[calm salmon]

not really super effective at the end of the day. Definitely a bug tool

[calm salmon]

Throw it at the ground under them

its 2-4

[fading vale]

yeah I know

and sometimes I throw 6

and the charger isn't even bleeding

[calm salmon]

that said, it also depends on terrain

some reason divots just eat all damage

[fading vale]

occasionally I throw 2 and it dies

[calm salmon]

you can prone next to a 500kg bomb

[fading vale]

and it's just like come on

[calm salmon]

and live because the divot it creates on landing eats all of the horizontal spread of damage

[fading vale]

like clearly I threw 6 nades under the charger and this time it doesn't even flinch

ok

[calm salmon]

my favorite is when you shoot a bile titan so much it has no ass

all of its body armor is missing

it has no armor on its legs

[fading vale]

and then nothing can damage it

[calm salmon]

and its still walking after you

hd2 is fun

but it has a long way to go

Much like darktide on release I suppose.

[fading vale]

they need to work on charger and bile titan weakspots at least in terms of game feel

that's my biggest annoyance

[calm salmon]

the head is the weakspot

what

Pretty sure no one at Arrowhead is like. . . actually playing this game enough to really understand the issues

Which, you know fair.

[fading vale]

oh sorry for thinking THE BIG GLOWY BITS MATTER

[calm salmon]

They're already putting 40-60 hours a week into it

but like cmon

Get some on the ground experience with the game

before belittling your community

[coarse birch]

yeah ngl i dont play much but i was really confused when people told me that weakspots on stuff are not the big weakspots

that you get to shoot when you dodge the charger

[calm salmon]

"Use your stratagems more"

-1 stratagem

+50% stratagem cooldown

+100% stratagem call-in time

like what the fuck

[coarse birch]

so i was like "oh if i dodge it i get rewarded with shooting its weakspot"

[fading vale]

I mean the community deserves to be belittled for the railgun reaction

much like the DT deserved the pearl clutchers comment

[calm salmon]

I mean, nothing really feels good to use against bugs though.

If you removed chargers and bts

[scarlet wraith]

^ Agreed with this, if this conversation is still happening

[calm salmon]

all of the sudden you get the same choice as bots

[scarlet wraith]

Auric and maelstrom are pretty big jumps

[calm salmon]

but since chargers and bts exist

it completely warps your weapon selection against "end-game" bugs

so I get WHY people went all manbaby about the railgun

[calm salmon]

That said, not called for.

[fading vale]

500 and mechs are the easiest but you also have arc thrower, recoiless, EATs

[calm salmon]

I may understand why, but there are limits.

[fading vale]

and orbital rail cannon

[ripe quest]

They have the same stun time of 5 seconds.

[fading vale]

I mean there are options

[calm salmon]

If only the orbital rail cannon actually oneshot bts

[scarlet wraith]

Yeah the railgun 'hurr durr they hate us 'cause all weapons bad' train was completely imbecilic

[calm salmon]

and wasn't on a 210 second cooldown

315 after mission modifiers

[fading vale]

it's cooldown is too long yeah

[calm salmon]

I really wanna use a 5:15 cooldown item to not oneshot a BT

real fuckin fun

[scarlet wraith]

Recently, thanks to Biff, I discovered that just having an EAT in place of my railcannon has merit

[ripe quest]

Damn Puri blocked me.

Can't even correct him anymore.

[calm salmon]

protip

[scarlet wraith]

Because it's 4x the power over the same amount of time

[calm salmon]

sit at extraction for 10 minutes

[scarlet wraith]

I just have to aim

[calm salmon]

and drop 20 eats on it

[fading vale]

lmao really, the fuck

[sterile basalt]

If I can only take 1 between bleed for the emperor / restoring faith for martyrdom

Which should I pick

[calm salmon]

sure as shit doesn't feel like it

The act of swapping to my gun and shooting once gives a hulk enough time to wake up

but I can drop a 500kg on a bile titan

[fading vale]

I'd say btfe

[calm salmon]

and it can't move far enough to not die

[sterile basalt]

Alr

[fading vale]

if you don't have holy rev then I'd take restoring

but I imagine you do

[calm salmon]

that said

could probably just be the whole "bots have guns" thing

so everything feels faster with them

we love shitty gunplay mechanics

aimpunched x200

[sterile basalt]

I was running this

[ripe quest]

I have a feeling that the AP will affect the stun in the same fashion as damage is affected.

[calm salmon]

what does ap mean

[ripe quest]

Armor Pen, stuns have an AP of 6.

[calm salmon]

oh

[spare talon]

UH OH FURI BANGER ALERT

[calm salmon]

so

hulks have AV6 on chest then?

so 50% stun time

compared to other bot enemies?

if yes: that'd explain it. Hulks are really the only thing I actually care about stunning. Everything else just instantly punishes you for leaving cover

IE: They get the eagle airstrike from god before I poke my head out

[ripe quest]

That wouldn't be entirely out of the question, their head is 4 AV and backs are 2 or 0 not that it matters. Tanks would be the only other enemy with similar AVs. Devs and below have 3 AV, with the exception of Walkers having a 4 AV faceplate.

[fading vale]

I think they should get rid of player headshot damage or something to that effect

[calm salmon]

You cannot prone against bots

[fading vale]

to me it's just a feelsbad

[calm salmon]

you WILL get oneshot by even dumpstier trash bots

its fucking stupid

if they hit your shoulders fine, whatever normal damage values

[ripe quest]

I mean if you suppress them they have genuine stormtrooper aim.

[calm salmon]

but putting your head directly in front of your body is asking to be randomly oneshot by literally everything on the bot roster

[ripe quest]

I'd have to see 1 shot BPs against players first though, if light armor gets 1 shot to the head by gun fire and certain bugs, but medium and/or heavy armor doesn't then I don't think it's too much of an issue.

[calm salmon]

yeah that's cool and all but they're rarely as kind as bugs

bugs at least tend to get into giant groups

[fading vale]

I never want to get hit by a random rocket and just get insta deleted if I'm wearing heavy armor and explosion resist

or heavy armor with extra padding

[calm salmon]

bots spread out and chase every single person on the team so its extremely hard to actually suppress them effectively

which is just a function of helldive spawn rates

[fading vale]

or even medium armor with explosion resist

random 1 shots to rockets just feel bad

[calm salmon]

random oneshots

not even just head

just oneshots in general never feel good because they have zero counterplay other than "Don't move out of cover"

real life can suck my fat nuts pilestatd, make this shit fun first

if I'm playing tarkov and push a guy and get oneshot to the face fine, whatever. I explicitly signed up for that experience by playing Tarkov.

But poking my head out to do an objective in HD2 and instantly dying because one of 50 enemies shot my face is just infuriating

[fading vale]

tbf only sadists play Tarkov

[ripe quest]

mm, it's pretty forgiving. If you're willing to be orbital/eagle/teammates reliant for Hulks, Tanks, and Cannon Turrets the MG and Stalwart both ruin bot aim, Sickle is pretty solid at it too and obv the Knight and Redeemer.

[calm salmon]

this is why I main bugs

the only enemies worth worrying about are spewers

the rest are just badly designed weapon checks

[fading vale]

the more important issue though

REVERT THE HELLPOD STEERING CHANGE

[calm salmon]

no mountain for you

not allowed

[fading vale]

no small rock for you

[calm salmon]

no, you get to be deployed right in the middle of a patrol

because your team dared to not throw you into an empty field

[ripe quest]

I like the idea but there should be a way to 'slip' past the invisible wall so you can move through it instead of being funneled due to unfortunate spawn placement.

[coarse birch]

this is one of my bigger issues with the game that makes me play it less rn, it really feels like nothing is happening (at least of concern) until your just getting one shot randomly

[fading vale]

teammate marks a bile titan or charger - sorry mate I can't steer over this rock

[coarse birch]

like your fine or you are dying to one thing

bad way of putting it but

[calm salmon]

I don't understand why people hate hunters

but then I go to the subreddit

and its everying yerkin off the slugger

[fading vale]

hunters are occasionally annoying because of stunlock

[calm salmon]

and it makes way more sense

[coarse birch]

i do get its supposed to just be kinda goofy though so like not the most balanced difficulty of all time is fine

[patent patrol]

I assume this is worth getting strictly for Rampage 4?

[calm salmon]

I've only used full auto weapons against bugs

because hunters are the number 1 threat on bugs

[coarse birch]

ye

[calm salmon]

yeah, sure.

it sucks to not have a tool for spewers

[fading vale]

yeah

[calm salmon]

but eagle airstrike is right there

I'm more than patient enough to wait the 1:45 or 2:30 depending on mission modifiers for it

and just running away

if it means hunters are a non-issue

I can feel it in my bones though. Las-16 Sickle is going to be dumpstered by Arrowhead next patch.

Because its everything the old breaker was

but with infinite ammo on top

[fading vale]

it seems like devs struggle with player feel bad mechanics

[calm salmon]

we just cannot have good primaries in this game.

The devs want the game to be stratagem simulator

[fading vale]

to me it seems simple, don't have mechanics that exclusively make you feel bad

[calm salmon]

and have only included primary weapons to make it seem like other games

[fading vale]

and this includes DT of course

[calm salmon]

that's my only explanation

[ripe quest]

Breaker is literally the same exact primary that's good at what it used to be good at still. It got a minor slap on the wrist.

[calm salmon]

Like, think about it.

[fading vale]

the sickle is overpowered for sure

[calm salmon]

Bots? Autocannon EVERYTHING

literally EVERYTHING

[fading vale]

but it's not like breaker got worse

[calm salmon]

Bugs? AUTOCANNON EVERYTHING

except BT

but that's what the 500kg is for

[ripe quest]

I do think Sickle will be looked at but my only complaint is that it's better than the Liberator at a good number of stuff, but that doesn't make it better than everything available.

[calm salmon]

"use your stratagems more" should not mean "Use your stratagem weapon on literally everything"

[fading vale]

well it also has infinite ammo

[patent patrol]

Which one do y'all think, stats wise, is better?

[fading vale]

which is eh

[calm salmon]

and Arrowhead hasn't really figured that out yet IMO

[ripe quest]

This is true, but I'm talking about damage stats.

[calm salmon]

I'd argue that the sickle is just better than the liberator

[fading vale]

left

[calm salmon]

full stop

its not even a debate to me

it does everything the lib does but better

[coarse birch]

left

[patent patrol]

Ok. I'll see how it turns out. Obviously the one on the right is a 4/4 so.

[ripe quest]

It's 100% better than the Liberator, that's not my point though.

[patent patrol]

we'll see if I can match it.

[ripe quest]

It's not better than all of the primaries, so I don't think it'll get any form of major change. Breaker got slightly less ammo and a QoL shift for being the #1 goto "meta" weapon.

[calm salmon]

Also on the other point in this comment: I struggle to see the point of taking anything but:

Liberator, Defender, Machine Pistol, Spray and Pray, Breaker or Sickle against bugs.

MG-43 makes you stop to reload and stalwart gets hardstopped by medium armor bugs

so. . .

one of the above+GL or autocannon

with AC you can just take the EAT-17 too for BTs cause no backpack

with GL you need to hmm and haw over backpack or EAT-17

[fading vale]

hmm and haw

[spiral anvil]

Sickle/arc shotty is great for flamethrower

[calm salmon]

I tried arc shotgun on dif 3

[spiral anvil]

Flamethrower kills chargers so fast lol

[fading vale]

ok stan

[calm salmon]

I literally couldn't keep up with the spawns on dif 3

I have no idea how the fuck people think that thing is good at helldive

[patent patrol]

So remind me. How does one use the Heavy Sword.

[calm salmon]

when there's about 200% more hunters

and it can't even one-shot them

[patent patrol]

what thing?

[ripe quest]

My list is just, don't use Lib Pen, Peacemaker, Counter Sniper, Dagger, Scythe, and Laser Cannon for bugs. Lots of stuff has a niche available or is just a good statistical weapon.

[calm salmon]

Arc Shotgun

[spiral anvil]

The strong point of arc shotty is not dps, but you can easily kite and shoot without aiming

[calm salmon]

from the new premium warbond

[calm salmon]

I can do that with literally everything

and actually kill shit at the same time

[patent patrol]

I haven't checked that but I think it's meant for stunning a horde?

[calm salmon]

the arc shotgun has no role as far as I care to think about it until it gets a reasonable pump speed

[ripe quest]

Arc Blitzer is an extremely mobile 2h weapon with 3 AP and good CC.

[spiral anvil]

It has the fastest TTK vs hunter

Literally just click

[ripe quest]

I wish we had like, a throwing knife equivalent for HD2 to combo with the downtime.

[patent patrol]

Me personally, I've been playing Battlefront 2 2005 recently.

[coarse dagger]

I'll have to get my own and find out soon but that looks like a single target one?

[calm salmon]

"good CC"

doesn't reliably arc to multiple targets

gets stopped by shrubs

has 10 meter range

shoots corpses first instead of live enemies

and other issues

[fading vale]

it's not really a complex weapon... you just heavy things that warrant heavies which is a lot of things

[calm salmon]

there's not a single redeeming aspect to the arc shotgun

other than: infinite ammo

[patent patrol]

anything that's not a basic enemy I presume?

[coarse dagger]

I think the Turtolsky swords is cleavers nvm

[fading vale]

also heavy bruisers I think, and maybe mix lights

[calm salmon]

and if this is the selling point, the sickle is right there

[spiral anvil]

Heavy + chastise you can cleave at entire row of bruiser heads

[ripe quest]

It can reliably stunlock up to medium enemies at medium to close-ish range. It arcs fine within the range and has a solid spread.

[calm salmon]

It shoots one, maybe two enemies in a 10 meter range

which is not at all helpful against 55 hunters

[patent patrol]

bruiser? lol

[calm salmon]

it can't even kill a patrol before they get a bug breach off

[patent patrol]

never heard of that one.

[fading vale]

bruisers are the meaty horde enemies

[spiral anvil]

Bruiser? I barely knew her

[fading vale]

bucket heads and flak armor dudes

[ripe quest]

I like it with a higher usage support weapon since it can just like, stagger a clump of bugs or bots as a quick switch type of thing. Super fun.

[coarse dagger]

only if she asks

[patent patrol]

ah ok

[spiral anvil]

Arc shotty with flamethrower is apt combo

[calm salmon]

how

[ripe quest]

I'm not opening the game to show you footage but I assure you it's not that caliber of bad. Each pellet can hit a different enemy, from what I've seen the arcs happen when multiple pellets hit the same enemy.

[calm salmon]

they have the same exact range

[spiral anvil]

You just need something to get hunters off of you, arc shotty does it well

[calm salmon]

arc shotgun can't hit enemies at pointblank range either

much like the arc thrower

[spiral anvil]

Yes it can

[calm salmon]

it just fizzles out of existence

[ripe quest]

It has a pretty good range on it too, but after a certain point it runs into the Arc Thrower problem with terrain and has a narrow spread for whatever reason

[calm salmon]

there's like a ~1-2 meter dead zone in front of the barrel

[spiral anvil]

False

[calm salmon]

any enemies within that are completely immune to it

[ripe quest]

That def isn't true.

[calm salmon]

Look, all I can give you is my experience with the damn thing.

And all of these are issues I had with it.

[ripe quest]

You can hit enemies close range but due to the cone it doesn't hit an optimal amount of enemies, just 1-2 depending on density

[spiral anvil]

One game on dif3?

[calm salmon]

That were reliable and repeatable.

No

I took it to helldive

because like

let me judge the thing against helldive quantities of enemies

and I was the most deadweight I've ever been

literally just stratagem boi

because that arc shotgun was not doing anything

killing one enemy every 2 seconds is an abysmal state of affairs

[spiral anvil]

If you try to use it like a breaker it's not gonna replace it

[calm salmon]

and if even one bolt misses a hunter

its 1 enemy every 4 seconds

[fading vale]

also I feel like helldive should be kind of fucked up

[calm salmon]

yeah that's fine

but they don't have to make all of the weapons feel like shit

to do that

[sterile dune]

worth picking up from melk?

[fading vale]

yes

[sterile dune]

stats seem good, I think slaughterer is supposed to be good too right?

[fading vale]

basically perfect if you replace momentum and crit damage

[calm salmon]

replace momentum with thrust

[ripe quest]

This is an exaggeration but also like, yee it's not a DPS weapon. It hits some 1 shot BPs on medium enemies but also it's moreso a utility weapon, same with Punisher Plasma and the fucking absurd stagger on it.

[calm salmon]

critical with unyielding

[sterile dune]

ok badass

[calm salmon]

again, I play bugs.

[ripe quest]

yes I'm talking about bugs puri

[calm salmon]

And it can't oneshot anything bigger than hunters

not brood warriors

not commanders

not bile spewers

its multiple shots on all of them

[ripe quest]

It can 1 shot warriors, it 2 shots bile spewers and nursing spewers, I haven't used it against artillery bugs but 90% sure it's way too high to use there.

[sterile dune]

now for the loaded question, what is a decent hammer build I don't have to use martyrdom with

[ripe quest]

Brood Commanders do take a few shots, I've found myself shooting the legs with my secondary. Blitzer is 3 AP so it does full damage to Brood Commanders and 50% to Hive Guard heads.

[fading vale]

this is what I run except with backstab CDR over swift

can take HR over desperation if you are worried about survivability

[calm salmon]

I still can't see the use-cases it has

since it shares all of the problems of the arc thrower

but with a 10 meter range

[sterile dune]

and what ranged weapon are you using to go with it?

[calm salmon]

which is the last place I want to be with bugs

I don't really wanna duke it out with spewers at 10 meters

god forbid hunter swarms

brood commanders/hive guards/warriors may as well not exist for as much trouble as they are

[ripe quest]

CC, our only pellet shotgun with 3 AP. Good weapon w/ something like a Jump Pack or just running around.

[fading vale]

I use any of zarona, kant shotty, lawbringer, agri/columnus brauto, laspistol, flamer, columnus IAG

[calm salmon]

or I can just use the sickle and lascannon

autocannon

railgun

spray and pray/breaker

and have none of the downsides of the arc shotgun

but needing to manage ammo in trade

[ripe quest]

Sickle is 2 AP and is a DPS weapon, then Laser Cannon and AC are support weapons that's a no brainer

[calm salmon]

Right, but my point is that I can just swap weapons depending on the situation

rather than shoehorning myself into an objectvely bad primary firearm

[ripe quest]

If I wanted an arc weapon and had a support weapon open I'd just run an Arc Thrower.

[calm salmon]

that's going to see you using your support weapon more often than my kit anyway

[ripe quest]

but like the thing is there for a CC tool if you're using your support weapon primarily.

[calm salmon]

you know whats CC

killing the fucking enemies

shits on power maul and crusher activation functions(Not really you, specifically, just the DT community as a whole)

BUT DUH CC GOOD IN THIS OTHER GAME

When outright killing the problems is far more effective CC just like it is in Darktide

[ripe quest]

Much like the Plasma Punisher the CC is larger than AoE weapons cover with damage.

[sterile dune]

like this?

[ripe quest]

Obv a Flamer would probs be the best choice for smth like that though, has good coverage.

[calm salmon]

Which, again, leads me to the conclusion I have about people hating hunters.

They're using garbage weapons

[fading vale]

yes, this is very good, my favorite pairing with hammer

[calm salmon]

and then just die to hunter swarms because their shit outright cannot keep up with them

[sterile dune]

are those blessings ok?

[fading vale]

those blessings are what I run, and I do flak maniac

no respite is best in slot

[sterile dune]

ok cool, yeah I had a garbage perk so changed to flak and had to keep unyielding

[calm salmon]

fire frenzy for fullbore as your dealer's choice - its a player to player feel thing

Swap unyielding to maniac or unarmored if you're fine with FF

[fading vale]

and fire frenzy could be one of like 3 blessings

[sterile dune]

oh damn I didnt even see I had another reroll

[maiden path]

todd from breaking bad a real baller fr

can i get a fuck yea

[ripe quest]

I don't see how this is relevant + the Crusher's activation is fairly solid in utility for comboing and edge cases.

Though the taser Crusher/Pmaul has my full attention because that is mega baller.

[calm salmon]

right, but all of the enemies crusher/pmaul stagger are problems and their CC is a 360 AOE with a fairly forgiving radius

the arc shotgun is straight RNG

either you get lucky and hit a bunch of enemies

or you hit one and have done nothing about the 40 others chasing that one

[maiden path]

https://tenor.com/view/gotcha-globe-trotters-gif-9742275

this how todd tortured jesse

just scared the shit out of him with basketball related things

[calm salmon]

and the arc shotgun is blocked by dead bodies and shrubs

though like I said, that's an issue the arc thrower has too, but the arc thrower has a ~50 meter range on it

~100 if you use a teammate as a boosting pole

[maiden path]

todd used to brick 3 pointers to torture jesse 😭

[ripe quest]

In the range I've mentioned prior it isn't really hitting 1 enemy if you have an actual cluster. Hypothetically, if it were to by the shape of the crowd being unfavorable the shot would arc.

[calm salmon]

And yet you'd freak the fuck out if you watched a psyker with the shock staff shooting poxwalkers

[ripe quest]

• I'm fairly sure ADSing and hipfiring have an influence on arcing, should you try the weapon out again.

[calm salmon]

Actually, that's a little bit of a personal attack.

But the underlying logic is sound.

[zealous basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-rat-cute-gif-18609896

[calm salmon]

Hitting 2 enemies per attack is meaningless, especially if it didn't kill them.

[maiden path]

i love odd looking animals

[zealous basin]

wtf do u mean odd looking

[maiden path]

why da hell u look like a wolf mr kitty 🤨

[zealous basin]

he looks normal

not like a monkey

[calm salmon]

if they reworked the arc shotgun into an actual lightning shotgun so it had a gigaspread and hit a bunch of enemies at once, every single time

[maiden path]

yea maybe 2 u

[calm salmon]

I'd hate it far less

[maiden path]

and ur fucked up eyeballs

[calm salmon]

but its just an inconsistent RNG stick with the only upside being infinite ammo

[maiden path]

beastly critter

[zealous basin]

erm ill fuck up ur balls man...

[maiden path]

hands off the weewee

[proud scroll]

is there a tier 4 perfect strike?

[maiden path]

playing ghost of tsushima in japanese

[proud scroll]

i cannot find it

[fading vale]

perfect strike is just perfect strike, tier means nothing

[maiden path]

just ate a brownie and I dont have milk to wash it down

also not a WEED brownie you junkies

just had to make that clear

i get high on life

[proud scroll]

oh, but i want higih tier so my weapon is at the top of my lsit of weapons

[zealous basin]

personally i get high on weed

i like to smoke it

[maiden path]

fffff-reak

[fading vale]

tbh I don't even remember if there are tiers of perfect strike but regardless it wouldn't change anything

[zealous basin]

i smoke it with ur sister

before we do seggs :DDDd

and after too

[maiden path]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-dune-kiss-dune-feyd-dune-part-1-dune-part-2-gif-15202983623288892447

[zealous basin]

https://tenor.com/view/i-saw-what-you-deleted-gus-breaking-bad-gif-25966954

[maiden path]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/843662454805757952/994329861369897070/catesaur.gif

[zealous basin]

yes thats me

[maiden path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pa1cMHM5OSg

i love guilty gear music I wish i could say that in real life without being a loser

[zealous basin]

weebaroo

[maiden path]

no

i want to be like him

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-of-tsushima-ghost-ready-to-fight-gif-22070870

im the reverse of a weeb i wanna be a samurai

[zealous basin]

u will never be him

[maiden path]

and kill farmers

for no reason

unsheathes blade

fucks up and cuts thumb open

AOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOUGH

[ripe quest]

I dislike you assuming how I'd react to that scenario. Arc Shotgun and Surge Staff aren't similar in function. Additionally, the scenario isn't representative of what I've been talking about. Hit medium enemies with it, stagger them in a cone infront of you. Warriors, Hive Guards, sometimes Hunters, and Brood Commanders in this case. Additionally, kiting is more present in HD2 than in Darktide just due to level layout, which is a strength of the Arc Blitzer due to being a 3 AP primary that can effectively shoot while running. The comparison is even more out-of-pocket just due to the loadout issues a Surge Staff comes with. You get your blitz w/ Surge Staff, in HD2 you get a secondary and a support weapon to add.

[maiden path]

group of pepes thinking and nodding gif

idk its name

https://tenor.com/view/thinking-agreed-hmm-gif-27306034

[calm salmon]

https://streamable.com/f8dq64

You're going to sit there and tell me this weapon has use cases?

[zealous basin]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-meeting-gif-26837833

[calm salmon]

Please, don't

it is unsalvageably bad in its current iteration

I did literally everything you told me to do make this thing work

and it didn't

Or, are you going to gaslight me and tell me this isn't what the arc shotgun is normally like

[calm salmon]

when its been the only consistent experience I've had with this shitty weapon

[ripe quest]

Your conduct and failure to read is disappointing.

[zealous basin]

[calm salmon]

god awful TTK, inconsistent targeting, getting stopped by bushes, arcing to dead enemies first, inability to attack enemies in point blank range

there are no upsides to this weapon other than "Infinite Ammo"

I can CC hive guards, warriors, and brood commanders by simply walking

No, the real problem are hunters

and the arc shotgun can't do diddly fuck against them

[ripe quest]

If your main problem is a Hunter just use a DPS weapon, which you've already implied to prefer.

[calm salmon]

it couldn't even reliably kill scavengers in one shot in literally the perfect scenario

[zealous basin]

u cant stop me from running blitzer las cannon

simply cant

[calm salmon]

they're the only problem against bugs, and spewers if they happen to show up.

its not even a main thing. Its that they're the only enemy actually capable of killing a helldiver

bile titan vomit if its hitbox does the funky "I missed but hit you anyway"

[ripe quest]

I refer to my "your failure to read is disappointing" comment. I wasn't, ever, saying it was a trash clear weapon. Use a Breaker Incendiary/SnP, Knight, or any >500 RPM weapon.

[onyx lodge]

whats the difference between the two hammers?

[calm salmon]

Right, and I'm arguing that there is no role for the Arc Shotgun because the enemies its good against can simply be walked away from at default movement speed

and its hard to say its even "good" against them

with the awful TTK in trade for moving them back slightly

[ripe quest]

Crucis hits harder with the special and has streamlined combos. The Ironhelm trades damage on the special for cleave against fodder and bruisers with the special H1 and H2, and has varied combos.

[coarse birch]

crucis gets better single target with the active but can only hit one enemy + worse horde clear
Ironhelm can cleave through enemies with the special to make hitting an enemy in a horde easier but loses a bit of special damage

and yeah ironhelm has more varied moveset

[onyx lodge]

i had the one shot and didnt like so much ill try the other

[ivory marlin]

What

[onyx lodge]

i like my big chainsaw best though

[median steeple]

Peak DUNE 2

[zealous basin]

DUNC

[ivory marlin]

Flip

[ripe quest]

If your playstyle is to ignore enemies that cannot catch up to you, which seems to be the case, just use what you're already using. You won't be able to utilize a Blitzer to the same extent.

[zealous basin]

hello

[ivory marlin]

Hi

[zealous basin]

greetings

[ivory marlin]

You should teach me how to dbd better at some point

But i refuse to play anyone but wraith

[zealous basin]

play nurse and never hook anyone

damn

[ivory marlin]

That sounds boring

[zealous basin]

i only play nurse and billy bro

[ivory marlin]

Doesn’t that mean you can also play leather?

[zealous basin]

hell no

bubba is shit billy

damn i cant wait to play hillbilly with no mobility and no curves

[ivory marlin]

Aren’t they the same kit but bubba is slower?

[onyx lodge]

brunt jerked me on the hammer, didnt even make it to hadron lol

[zealous basin]

bubbas chainsaw doesnt have any mobility at all

bubba is like

shit-tier training mode billy at best

[ivory marlin]

Oh

[zealous basin]

the only upside to bubba is that he can chainsaw multiple survivors at once but that is... not very useful

[ivory marlin]

Just play drug man at that point

[zealous basin]

blight?

that guy owns

[ivory marlin]

Yeah

[zealous basin]

hes more like nurse tbh

[ivory marlin]

I used him on xbox

[fleet zealot]

Sad clown noises (i never played dbd i just seen people that do)

[zealous basin]

people who complain about blight are bad

if dbd players are complaining about a killer 99% chance that the killer is just actually pretty good for once

[ivory marlin]

I was ok at him

Turning was hard tho

[calm salmon]

Ignore until I can deal with them on their own, but yes.

Hunters>Aphid Spewers>Spewers>Bile Titan>Charger>Warriors/Hive Guards/Commanders

and with that process, the arc shotgun is unmitigated trash - and I can't see not ever engaging hunters first. They're far too numerous and dangerous to not treat them as threat number 1

[polar nexus]

darktide players complaining about helldivers 2

lmao

[maiden path]

yea I got that shit on

dont look at his face too closely

[ivory marlin]

Best community out there

The zealot community

[maiden path]

is arigato japanese

i said that to a japanese player

i hope its not chinese

[median steeple]

idk im no language doctor

[maiden path]

well get to it pal

i done got questions

[polar nexus]

Yes it

Is

It means thanks

Sie sie would be the equivalent in Mandarin

[maiden path]

phew

the japanese know im thankful

[minor sage]

Xie xie*

[polar nexus]

Oh yeah true dat

[fading vale]

it's just puri

[ivory marlin]

Me

[acoustic dune]

Look like someone whom complain about there team

[maiden path]

what u talking about

u going kookoo

[acoustic dune]

Exactly

A fucking kookoo

Now I want coco puff

[misty mason]

All my homes hate hunters

And spewers

Laggy ass mfs

[maiden path]

what

[calm salmon]

https://streamable.com/hlxxru

I don't get the issues people have with hunters

simply just choose to stay alive

[median steeple]

daora gem grind continues

[misty mason]

They need to like half the health on those things

They shouldnt be fast, high damage, slowing, tough and numerous

Need to take away at least one of those

[calm salmon]

they don't actually have a ton of HP

its just that you need to hit their head

the problem there is their mobility

I'd nerf their damage though. They should be a CC enemy to allow the slower warriors, commanders, and hive guards to catch up to you

[misty mason]

A single shotgun shot put them down

I know they're not high hp enemies necessarily, but I think they just have too much

[zealous basin]

guys im gonna get my ass stabbed

any day now

[drowsy steppe]

ayy man we dont judge

[nimble fiber]

true

[placid fiber]

Any day now, salvation shall be attained

[cold patrol]

guys I need your help

I recently started a Zealot

[placid fiber]

Oh God, you need our help?

[cold patrol]

just unloecked the first Chainaxe

[placid fiber]

At least you came to us instead of reddit

the mk 4?

[cold patrol]

I... I think I'm turning into a Khornate... this weapon is so much fun

[placid fiber]

Chain axe is fun

I prefer the mk 12, myself

[placid fiber]

Rip and tear, until it is done.

Have fun while you still can

with the new weapons

before you need to start focusing

[frosty herald]

Youll love the mk15 evis

[placid fiber]

Hehe

[nimble fiber]

I can also recommend the crusher its marvelous

bully the heretics

[placid fiber]

I have yet to feel the pull of the Crusher, but, it is an amazing weapon now

They changed it from worst to very good

[nimble fiber]

Im honestly so in love, I cant play with the evi after trying it out

[placid fiber]

I don't doubt it

[nimble fiber]

no joke

its my new beloved

[placid fiber]

My true beloved is the Crucis, but, that requires so much mental effort to use effectively that... I don't use it very much anymore

[nimble fiber]

is it the boss hammer or crowd hammer?

[placid fiber]

Sure I can heavy spam, but, that is rookie gaming

Crucis is the single target special

I love that thammer so much

the ironhelm is just easier to use

see a problem? Special heavy 1/2

[cold patrol]

from what I've read... I'm sure I will

[placid fiber]

The executioner sword style might be simple, but, it fits the eviscerator pretty well

Then again they probably could make any style fit any weapon tbh

sword and dagger? Power sword n combat blade

1h sword? heavy sword

greataxe(basically greathammer which is crucis) eviscerator/chain axe

actually an eviscerator with the moveset of the crucis would kinda be awesome

Spear and shield? Maul and shield

Hell imagine a Crusher with the greatsword move set from vt2

@nimble fiber can you imagine that? that would be like a true full on cc crusher

You could bully EVERYONE xD

[nimble fiber]

didn't really play vt2 that much

how is it like?

[placid fiber]

gimme a min, I can show you

[nimble fiber]

I think I can already bully everyone with the crusher

[placid fiber]

I know, but, it would be easier to deal with hordes as well

easy mode hordes xD

with 0 bully required

It is kind of basic tho

[vast basin]

Vt2 is more melee focused DT, less fun mobility (no sliding), temp HP system instead of toughness

[placid fiber]

Now to see if this video is too long

the faster swings are lights, the slower ones are heavies. I think you can tell which is the push attack lol

[south folio]

strikedown push-attack OwO

[placid fiber]

@nimble fiber This is the greatsword

one of my favorite weapons for zealot saltzpyre, since I am better with more basic move sets

[nimble fiber]

looks quite good

[hushed knoll]

What game is this

[placid fiber]

Vermintide 2

[placid fiber]

STAN!

:3

[hushed knoll]

[placid fiber]

👋

[hushed knoll]

What’s Gucci

[placid fiber]

live wire mountain dew

[nimble fiber]

crusty bread

if u know what im saying

[hushed knoll]

What

[placid fiber]

Cough moldy crusty bread cough cough

[inner cargo]

Swing around an exec sword and people will recognize the moveset

[nimble fiber]

krusten brot

[placid fiber]

True I should have done that lol

Let me do that rq

[hushed knoll]

I like to crush bread in my fist before I eat it

[nimble fiber]

stan u making me sad

[placid fiber]

Stan, when I make this video I want you to guess the Darktide weapon

[placid fiber]

@hushed knoll Whats this weapon in Darktide?

[maiden path]

who da hell up dis early

erm go to bed u ruffians

[maiden path]

isnt that the new chainsword

two handed

same moveset for most of it

[inner cargo]

Early?

[maiden path]

for the NORMAL timezones

[placid fiber]

you mean eviscerator lol

[maiden path]

it is 7am

yea

[inner cargo]

It's 11 PM for me

[placid fiber]

And yes it is

[maiden path]

for the NORMAL

timezones

america.....................

[inner cargo]

It is a normal timezone

[maiden path]

never forget that theres a reason aliens always invade us in movies

they like our timezones

[placid fiber]

This one has a bonus to its heavies, beb

tfw you can have infinite ammo again, in vt2 as long as you get a headshot lol

huntsman getting up to 2 ammo back per headshot is nice tho

I'm feeling like gaming, for the first time in a week... idk why

[frosty herald]

show bret longsword

[placid fiber]

Okay, gimme a min lol

It has patterns that you can use

The push attack can be used to start the armor damage chain

which is I think heavy 2 and light 3 or something like that