i loved stealth for the twins fight
#zealot-class
frosty herald
sterile basalt
Fury can dash up to 24m, just place ur aim point on the enemy then press ability
frosty herald
you can get in sneaky hits
fading vale
the twins do open up more build options
frosty herald
the twins do open up more build options
big arena and you dont have to worry about specialists
fossil crag
i tend not to do this as much in open area, just cause that one repear from 20 miles awway is somehow shooting me and making me not run at the rest of the gunners 
fading vale
TWBS and gunner resist be like
drowsy steppe
TWBS and gunner resist be like
no lie
Im starting to feel good about the idea of not using twbs
I would still pick dance of death because of how good it is
fading vale
I'd consider it if the only weapon I used wasn't a hammer
maiden path
wtf are these abbreviations
fading vale
do you frequently fall asleep at your desk while playing
frosty herald
wtf are these abbreviations
thy wrath be swift
sterile basalt
do you frequently fall asleep at your desk while playing
I really just play zealot to chill out tbh
(Also melk contract)
fading vale
I play zealot to sweat with the combat mechanics
coarse dagger
do you frequently fall asleep at your desk while playing
Yeah but that's because I'm severely sleep deprived or sometimes sick. GO TO BED
fading vale
if I want to chill I could just brain off ogryn or void assail lol
but I play helldivers for chill now so
sterile basalt
I think I would enjoy thunder hammers more if they didn’t self-stun on energized hit
frosty herald
Ironhelm has a faster recovery from a special attack
fading vale
crucis is the only weapon I've used on zealot for like 900 hours
I still miss the animation cancel but alas
drowsy steppe
Ironhelm has a faster recovery from a special attack
I think so yea
sterile basalt
I’m drawing a bad comparison but thunder hammers are kind of similar to veteran’s mk7 folding shovel
frosty herald
I think so yea
oh i know it has but its like .2-.3 seconds
fading vale
to me it's really fun to have to like, hit trade and aim in difficult scenarios and hit cool hits
and still survive well with a weapon that doesn't play for me
sterile basalt
Yea getting a crucial one shot off amidst the chaos can be really nice
fading vale
there is no way
sterile basalt
It’s probably intentional
north sedge
Those maniacs
fading vale
I mean they tried to fix it once
and they forgot to buff the heavies
so they just reverted it
idk, it's just completely unintuitive
and you see pubs using heavies on maniacs
especially muties
cause it just makes sense
drowsy steppe
yea
its the heavy attack of the weapon and so it SHOULD do more damage
first time I tested the weapons damage against maniac Im pretty baffled at this quirk
now that everyone knows about it, I guess FS just has no more intention of fixing it anymore and just left it in
and the damage quirk itself is also reflected in the damage table too iirc
sterile basalt
Dmg tables aren’t the most accurate anyway
drowsy steppe
the average playerbase doesnt LMAO
sterile basalt
At least today we figured that DS doesn’t have falloff
drowsy steppe
I mean
that took Ex having to look at the code of the game to figured out
which is insanely obscure knowledge to even know about in the first place
sterile basalt
Close Dmg always has falloff
fading vale
I did know that close range power wasn't a thing from a long time ago but I forgot about it
frosty herald
cursed knowledge
drowsy steppe
Close Dmg always has falloff
I never really notice it tbh
fading vale
but yeah for a lot of things you actually need to look at the code to figure out exactly what it does
sterile basalt
I never really notice it tbh
It falls off till 30m+
frosty herald
Maybe well also get a blessing rework alongside crafting rework
It would make sense
fading vale
Maybe well also get a blessing rework alongside crafting rework
I SACRIFICED MY WIFE AND DAUGHTER TO GET PC4 AND YOU DO THIS TO ME????
frosty herald
I SACRIFICED MY WIFE AND DAUGHTER TO GET PC4 AND YOU DO THIS TO ME????
all of those wasted hours
drowsy steppe
fading vale
yeah we would have 0 idea what momentum does without the code lol
frosty herald
the dodge modifier is insane
doesnt get mentioned anywhere
same with piety increasing toughness from kills with the node
drowsy steppe
lmao
fading vale
rip when momentum was 60% dodge cooldown
sterile basalt
same with piety increasing toughness from kills with the node
That’s Stalwart right?
Not the keystone itself
frosty herald
the toughness gain on proccing piety
sterile basalt
That one is ok but tbh the right branch is still usually better
fading vale
it's only somewhat ok because of an unlisted effect
fading vale
I wish momentum toughness had an unlisted effect cause it's so terrible
sterile basalt
Right branch give 25% crit chance, left branch gives 15% crit chance and 5% for each teammate
fading vale
maybe you could make it generate toughness as if momentum stacks were falling off during the active duration
fading vale
Hi Staniel
fleet zealot
riposte is fine it's just overshadowed by precog and executor
frosty herald
maybe you could make it generate toughness as if momentum stacks were falling of...
or generate toughness as you build stacks maybe
fading vale
like, the only possible use case is using it after you stealth at low toughness and run for a bit
frosty herald
like, the only possible use case is using it after you stealth at low toughness ...
erm
you forget the tougness on stealth node
fading vale
guess that already does that doesn't it
I guess I'm a curmudgeon but why the hell do neighborhood kids need to constantly scream while playing outside
like please
just shut up
frosty herald
I can feel you
slow galleon
Just shoot them
frosty herald
Annoying kids always screaming
slow galleon
They get real quiet then
fading vale
frank night
<a:flashbang:1096385375217393694>
this is my reaction to being shot yep
slow galleon
<a:flashbang:1096385375217393694>
My reaction to accidentally stealthing into a pack of ragers
fading vale
and one of them is yelling like a demon/barking
slow galleon
<a:flashbang:1096385375217393694>
Real time footage of a daemonhost waking up because my dumbass veteran forgot to turn off his lasguns nightlight
nimble fiber
bread
fading vale
my first game with daemonhosts I just assumed they were an objective and killed all of them lol
malice gaming
slow galleon
bread
hushed knoll
You can't just say bread with no context
hushed knoll
nimble fiber
hushed knoll
Stickbugs can't dance
austere grail
How do you guys deal with mauler/crusher packs with the heavy sword
fair igloo
Stickbugs can't dance
then why is that stickbug right there dancing?? idiot
fair igloo
How do you guys deal with mauler/crusher packs with the heavy sword
i've never personally used the heavy sword but if it has trouble with cara hordes maybe u could bring something like bolter/revolver/flamer (with chastise) to deal with them but i'm not that smart
i would ask other ppl or test it out yourself to make sure
austere grail
I saw a highly rated heavy sword build that used the autopistol :/
fair igloo
i always ask the discord here for like a good baseline idea for a build and then I tweak it to suit how i want to play it
austere grail
I guess you can slowly plonk them to death with heavy 1s
hushed agate
Dont dis autopistol! Its a solid hi-mid!
still quartz
You can also use the Special on their head to Stagger them
austere grail
Thats cool
still quartz
But I'd recommend either a.) bringing a Bolter
Or b.) Maybe an Agripiina Braced Autogun if you are running Fury of the Faithful skill
You use Fury of the Faithful then just gun them down
austere grail
Im tired of pulling the bolter out slow as hell every time i see a crusher 😭
still quartz
Yeah I dislike Bolters too
An alternative is Kantrael Shotgun
I love that damn thing
austere grail
The slug one?
austere grail
That works against carspsce?
austere grail
Yes but I hate having to rely on it to kill carapace
still quartz
Yeah you're not gonna have very good options unfortunately
What grenades does your build use?
austere grail
Immo
still quartz
Stun Nades are optimal for Crusher packs
Immolation is better overall but good luck actually hurting a Crusher pack with it
Maulers are easy, just avoid hitting the head
Oh you know what actually
I forgot our lord and savior, the fuckin Revolver
Take your pick, Agripiina or... Zarona
Mini Bolter
And fast draw too
austere grail
I tested the revolver against crushers and it didnt reliably kill in 5 headshots...
still quartz
Zarona for Crushers
And it's gonna need a bit... more
The Blessings have to be Surgical + Handcannon
austere grail
I see
still quartz
Or if Agripiina, I guess Handcannon + Crucian Roulette?
Whatever they run for Agripiina idfk
You basically need some Crit to make the Revolver kill a Crusher
heady hornet
You were right . Moved to offensive build in damnation and it was way easier 🤷♂️
still quartz
You were right . Moved to offensive build in damnation and it was way easier 🤷...
Yeah games like these don't benefit much from tank builds
If it was Vermintide 2 though, CC bot builds are very good
God I miss Ironbreaker Bardin playstyles
fair igloo
If you're using zarona keep in mind it probably won't be your PRIMARY weapon if you're dealing with huge crusher hordes
still quartz
If you can't destroy a Crusher pack solo, at least be able to CC them and stagger them
fair igloo
I use it with the crusher and immolate the horde and mostly melee them but if there's ALOT and i want to cut their numbers down fast i take it out and kill a few of them with it
still quartz
Your teammates will thank you
austere grail
I came to that conclusion too. CC is mid in this game when you can just kill faster
still quartz
Remember that Darktide is still a team game
People here love handling shit solo but your team should make up for where you lack if possible
sterile basalt
Prioritize killing over CC, but good CC can come in clutch in unfavourable situations
fair igloo
but as a zealot it's possible to not lack anywhere so that's fun
still quartz
The difference between having to 3-man a whole horde vs 4-man in high difficulty (especially Hi-int) is pretty big
Self-sufficiency is great, just don't let it make you think something is bad because it can't kill Horus in one shot
austere grail
I guess with heavy sword i just have to accept i cant melt thru crusher packs
austere grail
Im spoiled from psyker where i can melt both
still quartz
Honestly maybe that's more your cup of tea
sterile basalt
Heavy swords don’t handle crushers or maulers that well but completely trivializes other enemies
austere grail
Bulwarks are awkward
sterile basalt
Dreg rager u just 1 shot them
still quartz
Bulwarks are very awkward if you have nothing to deal with them, yeah
I recommened Kantrael Shotgun because its incendiary shells go through their shields
And boy do they take a good amount of Fire damage
I love that shotgun xd
sterile basalt
Crusher is also very very strong rn
austere grail
Hm... maybe I take unyielding over flak on heavy sword
still quartz
Yeah the bonk stick is stupid
sterile basalt
Crusher can open bulwarks easily for 2 hit kills
still quartz
Hm... maybe I take unyielding over flak on heavy sword
Bad choice, keep Flak
More Unyielding won't help in the grand scheme of things
sterile basalt
Hm... maybe I take unyielding over flak on heavy sword
Keep flak, swords in general don’t have the best flak Dmg
still quartz
Focus on controlling a Bulwark and where it's facing so teammates can handle it
Either that, or handle the Bulwark if a teammate has its attention
sterile basalt
Unyielding is only ever really relevant as a last ditch pick
austere grail
I like it on chainswords
sterile basalt
Usually chain weapons
still quartz
Chainswords are strong for everything
sterile basalt
Chainswords are jack of all trades
still quartz
Like if anything I'd just go Chainsword if you want something that can mulch a horde and decently deal with bosses and Crushers
austere grail
I think the big sweepy chainsword is better than heavy sword over all
still quartz
It struggles versus a Crusher pack though
fair igloo
Crusher is also very very strong rn
Yea crusher is VERY VERY good rnn
still quartz
Eviscerator damn strong, just get used to being slow
fair igloo
literally its only weakness is enemies that aren't in your melee range
sterile basalt
I think the big sweepy chainsword is better than heavy sword over all
Evicerator is different
They don’t have as good dodges
fair igloo
I still need to try out a heavy eviscerator and sword build, i've been riding the crusher train for toooooo long
sterile basalt
So u can’t spam second wind as easily
still quartz
I still need to try out a heavy eviscerator and sword build, i've been riding th...
Depends on which Eviscerator you're using I think
sterile basalt
I still need to try out a heavy eviscerator and sword build, i've been riding th...
Become a martyrdom Rashad enjoyer 
Play on autopilot
fair igloo
i actually thought there was only 1 eviscerator
still quartz
There's two
Used to be just one
One of them is far superior imo xd
Tigrus I think?
Unless they're both Tigrus
sterile basalt
Both are Tigrus
fair igloo
i'll keep that in mind then!
sterile basalt
Mk2 and Mk15
austere grail
Become a martyrdom Rashad enjoyer <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
I heard that was easy m1 spam
fair igloo
Is the mk2 or 15 better
austere grail
What rashad exactly?
still quartz
I think it's the MK15 that is the very simple moveset?
sterile basalt
I think it's the MK15 that is the very simple moveset?
Yea
Light sweep, heavy overhead
still quartz
Yeah that one is just the best
Easy as hell to control, only thing is you're gonna be slow
sterile basalt
What rashad exactly?
Rashad mk2 combat axe
I’m biased but if you just want to light spam nothing really competes with it
fair igloo
I heard the rashad is really good too
I remember someone else saying it was even better than the crusher just a little less versatile
austere grail
Cool ima craft one
sterile basalt
Cool ima craft one
This is the bad part
austere grail
Im guessing brutal momentum and something else
sterile basalt
Rashad needs very specific perks & blessings
fair igloo
This is the bad part
is the rashad zealot's soulblaze trauma
sterile basalt
BM mandatory
sterile basalt
is the rashad zealot's soulblaze trauma
Not quite?
Rashad just allows u to play on autopilot
fair igloo
I meant like in terms of difficulty to craft
sterile basalt
Martyrdom Rashad +65% melee Dmg & +50% melee atk speed
1 swing 4 kills
Evicerator cannot really compete with that imo
austere grail
If you only need BM doesnt seem so bad
still quartz
Least it's not like Thunder Hammer
sterile basalt
If you only need BM doesnt seem so bad
U need both bruiser 1HS breakpoint
Which means u need unarmored perk
still quartz
Good luck getting a god roll Thunder Hammer
I know I took forever for an Ironhelm and a Crucis
austere grail
Which means u need unarmored perk
WTF
fair igloo
What does rashad struggle at exactly? So I know what ranged wep to bring w/ it
sterile basalt
2nd blessing you can go headtaker/thrust
still quartz
What does rashad struggle at exactly? So I know what ranged wep to bring w/ it
Actually cleaving
Without BM
It's just being a Combat Axe
xd
austere grail
Taking unarmored is heresy
still quartz
Nah it's not
sterile basalt
What does rashad struggle at exactly? So I know what ranged wep to bring w/ it
No cleave without activating BM, so anything in large numbers that you don’t 1 hit kill
hushed knoll
then why is that stickbug right there dancing?? idiot
austere grail
I thiught ragers were maniac
still quartz
Try fighting 3 ragers with a Rashad
May I introduce to you, Devil's Claw?
God I love parry spamming with that thing
It's so funny
sterile basalt
May I introduce to you, Devil's Claw?
That’s what DC is made for
sterile basalt
Unfortunately DC’s cleave Dmg distribution vs flak is DOGSHIT
still quartz
I don't have much trouble using Devil's Claw but it highly depends on the Mk you're using
sterile basalt
Everything else is nice
sterile basalt
I don't have much trouble using Devil's Claw but it highly depends on the Mk you...
I’m biased, mk7 is peak
still quartz
I forgot which Mark I used the mnost
Mine was Sweep 1st, Overhead 2nd on its Heavies
Is that the Mark 7?
still quartz
Yeah I fuckin LOVE that one
For head sniping I try like a quick Light into Heavy, that chains into H2 I think
I forgot, I haven't touched this game in a couple months
sterile basalt
still quartz
Content drought and running out of things to work towards (I've played since Day 1 of launch) does stuff to you
austere grail
Now this is the kind of high quality infographic i need
Is that from a bigger sheet of all weapons?
proud scroll
WELP, help please, which one to swap to flak?
halp
@fading vale please oh wise one
sterile basalt
Is that from a bigger sheet of all weapons?
I’m working on a veteran guide
sterile basalt
WELP, help please, which one to swap to flak?
Which weapon
austere grail
Dope, @ me when its done
proud scroll
omg osrry
sterile basalt
Dope, @ me when its done
I can send u all the weapon pages rn
sharp zodiac
drowsy steppe
bruh
maiden path
where my rainworld fans at
polar nexus
Try fighting 3 ragers with a Rashad
My pain... This why I use mostly a claw now. I cannot trust people to deal with ragers before they are in melee range.
sterile basalt
My pain... This why I use mostly a claw now. I cannot trust people to deal with ...
DC swords are really balanced imo
If only they had better cleave dmg distribution to flak armor
polar nexus
omg osrry
Specialist yo flak yeah. They you can keep shred + headtaker or go headtaker + BM or shred + bm
maiden path
who is using for the drip mod
polar nexus
If only they had better cleave dmg distribution to flak armor
i think my best ones have maniac locked 😦
sterile basalt
i think my best ones have maniac locked 😦
Maniac isn’t bad, gives u some breakpoints
polar nexus
yeah i run maniac + elite for that oneshot bp
sterile basalt
Crit 1HS mutant is neat
polar nexus
that i miss with a 1969 not crit dmg parry no stacks on the drag rager
sterile basalt
Sustained assault can prob reach it
frosty herald
Poor beb
polar nexus
dmg falloff on mk7 h1
fading vale
they added anti stan armor to helldivers, based
south folio
friendly fire reduction?
fading vale
arc resistance so, yes
south folio
so tragic
frosty herald
Stan doesnt run explosion resistance
fading vale
dmg falloff on mk7 h1
these numbers seem cursed
frosty herald
Wahalli he is finished
north sedge
we played earlier and i was the only one wearing it, somehow the only person he didnt even shoot was me
the other two well, RIP
fading vale
why is it so fucked
maiden path
fading vale
it's so low
polar nexus
dreg bruiser are unarmored on the body and flak on the head
fading vale
right
frosty herald
Beb
polar nexus
so basically, hitting heads on a dreg bruisers is to your detriment
fading vale
we got news that there will be updates
frosty herald
Looks at news bulletin
fading vale
and a crafting rework at some point
maiden path
ok it better have lik 3000 millian terobytes of epic stuff
frosty herald
Tldr penance rework crafting rework new missions new weapons new enemies
Not new marks but actual new weapons
maiden path
'missions, new enemies, new weapons, new conditions, and new features alongside balance updates, quality of life additions, along with some other surprises which we will share in due time.'
frosty herald
Catfish specified that
maiden path
i sure hope so
fading vale
they basically said "we are still working on the game"
maiden path
wheres the real announcements of stuff that isnt guaranteed!!
its a live service game of course its getting balance updates!!
frosty herald
Praying for a tzeentch condition with splitting enemies
maiden path
i think modders are legit gonna give this game like 300x its real lifespan
like skyrim
i wish dragons dogma 2 would get here faster0er
frosty herald
Take 20 benadryl alongside 2 cups of lean
maiden path
Take 20 benadryl alongside 2 cups of lean
aoough
is iceborne a seperate download from base monster hunter world
maiden path
ah.
frosty herald
So its automatically downloaded
maiden path
so its 50gbs for both the dlc and base game
frosty herald
Midworld
maiden path
no
swag ass game
u can do a flip over a big lizard
and pin it to the ground with a spear
see how cool it looks
fading vale
I don't play fighting games and I know most of them
granted I have played smash a decent bit in the past
patent patrol
Y'all think low ammo is a dealbreaker on Zealot or nah?
south folio
not particularly but it also depends on how much you melee or if you're using throwing knives and whatnot
patent patrol
Also 69 ammo, nice.
patent patrol
not particularly but it also depends on how much you melee or if you're using th...
I usually run flame grenades. Primarily melee
south folio
prob good nuff then
south folio
yeah same
patent patrol
or popping that one sniper that's being a pain in the ass.
south folio
i just have a bolter for dealing with crushers and bulwarks
patent patrol
but
speaking of which, is the lawbringer good?
I know the kantrael or whatever is the best
fading vale
its kind of in between, and the special is cool for shooting into hordes
still has ok hipfire, and faster fire rate
patent patrol
Oh yeah, forgot I'm working on this
huh.
pretty sure that's my best weapon rn
That or this
inner cargo
Dunno about turtolsky 7
I always found 9 to be more comfortable to use than any other one
coarse dagger
I'd say maybe 7 there since I find the Turtolsky to be the more cleavy thing
inner cargo
9 has that horde clear of just heavy attack spam
fresh sentinel
something i never figured out and i kinda wanna try rolling a better stub soon, but does that thing still happen where dreg gunner head hitboxes take half of the expected damage for some reason
i remember having to run unarmored on my pistol because for some reason the stat breakdown damage was double what actually showed in meat grinder, but only vs dreg gunner heads specifically
fading vale
this is not a thing
fresh sentinel
okay good
fading vale
the only reason you needed unarmored on revolver is cause it used to not 1 shot snipers
fresh sentinel
i very distinctly remember testing this out
damage was listed as something like 500, showed as 250 vs gunners
it actually did significantly more damage vs dreg gunner flak armor which isn't right even with penetration
fading vale
you would be the only person I've heard of saying that since release
fresh sentinel
well this definitely happened, i may still have some screenshots somewhere
idk how that would break for just me specifically though
coarse dagger
you aimed too hard
fresh sentinel
as a matter of fact i do still have screenshots of testing this with a friend
half expected value rounded up on all unarmored parts of dreg gunners
i can also assure you this was not a meat grinder bug, i only started testing this because my gun seemed absurdly bad at killing dreg gunners at the time
fresh sentinel
we tested on all parts
fading vale
it was terrible at killing everything but idk, also white numbers yeah
south folio
if you're shooting a limb, then you're being subjected to the hitzone multipliers
what were the headshot numbers
south folio
203 makes sense if its 405/2 = 202.5 since limbs usually have a 0.75x or 0.5x multi on ranged weapons
fresh sentinel
i don't exactly aim for the thighs when fighting dreg gunners, i think this came when we were really testing out if something brokey'd
south folio
it's not something i've ever heard about so i'm skeptical
the other thing that would skew the numbers is damage falloff
fading vale
yeah afaik there have never been any bugs related to enemies taking incorrect damage
fresh sentinel
we were directly in front of the gunners
i dont have a screenshot of the headshoot damage cause i think i actually streamed my game to him at some point while we were testing, but it had the same issue
always 0.5x expected
also, previous screenshot is actually a bodyshot, it gets weirder
THIS is the thigh shot
i was doing more damage to dreg gunner legs than the head, apparently
south folio
hitzone multi fuckery it seems
fading vale
idk maybe bullet magnetism hitting a different zone
fresh sentinel
maybe? i could never get a result better than 0.5x for headshots tho
maiden path
DOES MONSTER HUNTER WORLD HAVE DRM
fresh sentinel
which is why i gave up and slapped on unarmored so i could at least 2 shoot them
maiden path
CAN SOMEONE TELL ME
fading vale
regardless the revolver is incredibly overpowered now and obliterates everything
fresh sentinel
i am a bit surprised to hear that no one else has ever encountered this issue
he tested it on his game and had similar results to me
then again ig maybe the revolver wasn't super popular back then
fading vale
been in this chat since December 2022 and that would be the first I've heard of anything like that
it was really bad back then so people didn't use it other than memes or being a bad knife player lol
fresh sentinel
i never tested it with other guns, i totally should have
out of curiosity how possible is it to back in versions so i can prove that i'm not insane and that this actually happened
fading vale
it is not
fresh sentinel
damn
fresh sentinel
can we get 50 bricked items from hadron
fading vale
well
fading vale
I have asked the crab and concluded that you are crazy or something was fucked up
fresh sentinel
well this happened on two seperate instances of the game
which makes me believe this wasn't some weird invalid file issue
and it most definitely applied to the regular game
fading vale
crab has always used revolver here and there and is basically the DT god, if he hasn't heard of it or tested it then....
🤷♂️
visual stream
I have asked the crab and concluded that you are crazy or something was fucked u...
You have the power to revive crab at will and you're not using it for longer than three seconds
EVIL
fresh sentinel
i should have done more extensive testing clearly
visual stream
Hit them in the head betterer
fresh sentinel
i only ever tested with revolver vs dreg gunners because that was the only thing that was causing issues
i almost exclusively played my zealot at the time and i had little interest in the other guns so i just never noticed if anything else was weird
fading vale
imagine a world where revolver did 400 damage now
pain
and couldn't even kill a sniper on a non crit headshot
where there was no source of crit
south folio
and did less damage to ragers on a crit headshot compared to a crit bodyshot
fresh sentinel
i think this must have been after that point because i encountered no issues with snipers
hold on let me get the date of the chat logs and we can maybe figure out the version
fading vale
and did less damage to ragers on a crit headshot compared to a crit bodyshot
yeah this was fucked
fading vale
i think this must have been after that point because i encountered no issues wit...
if you ran unarmored like you said then it would 1 shot weakspot them
without unarmored it would not
fresh sentinel
if you ran unarmored like you said then it would 1 shot weakspot them
well i was just running a shitty bricked revolver before
i only put on unarmored after i started running into issues
i.e. after the dreg gunner tests i concluded that was the best course of action (took them from 3 shot to 2 shot, assuming i didn't accidentally hit their chest)
okay i have a date
10/18/2023
fading vale
oh.....
fresh sentinel
18/10 if you're not cool and american like me
fresh sentinel
every other old post about this game is like "x weapon is the worst thing ever"
i'm not that surprised
x weapon poisoned our crops, burned our water supply, and sent a plague unto our houses
fading vale
*x weapon* poisoned our crops, burned our water supply, and sent a plague unto o...
the fun part is half of these posts are about good weapons
just people malding about minor nerfs
that are barely relevant
fading vale
well the obscurus is pointless
south folio
*relative to the other two force swords
still a p good weapon on its own right cuz it has force sword stats
fresh sentinel
well, anyways
south folio
back when i was in the trenches arguing for the obscurus
fresh sentinel
let me look and see if i can find the version number
fading vale
like what was I gonna not use a cool force sword on psyker?
royal vortex
the obscurus just needs 2 dudes who find it cool to give it a total rework
like a certain cc oriented zealot weapon
fresh sentinel
i used to prefer devil claw on psyker before the new ones came out
south folio
there's skele so all we need to do is kidnap crab to make him play psyker
zealous basin
leave the man alone
royal vortex
😔
fresh sentinel
mostly because i spent 90% of my game not using melee
royal vortex
i want to redesign the achlys
fading vale
man, the claw was one of the worst weapons in the game back then lol
zealous basin
i want to redesign u
fading vale
flashbacks to the "lawnmower claw" reddit post
where a BB ogryn is standing behind him
fresh sentinel
i dont know what you expected from reddit
royal vortex
flashbacks to the "lawnmower claw" reddit post
legendary
fresh sentinel
they're only funny when they aren't trying to be
also send that post that does sound funny
fading vale
it's so old I doubt I could find it
fresh sentinel
nvm i found it in 2 seconds
i used it on my psyker mainly because i was only using it for the very rare situation in which i couldn't easily quell my peril
fading vale
fresh sentinel
so i figure may as well parry while i wait
ig a force sword could have done the job too but eh
fading vale
that claw probably killed like, maybe 5 of those enemies
coarse dagger
goofy
south folio
it would've since it had force sword stats back then and +75% power slaughterer
the only thing bad about the obscurus back then and now is just its combo
fresh sentinel
turn the obscurus into the chain axe force sword
fading vale
also the special is just pretty ass especially for a psyker
south folio
mfing 2 of the force swords having chainsword specials and the other one having psword without pcycler
fresh sentinel
yeah but you hardly even use it on deimos
fading vale
you never use it on deimos lol
fresh sentinel
unless im using it wrong
south folio
yeah it's useless on deimos
south folio
psyker has a whole ass peril mechanic to balance special activations and the illisi still has to adhere to the same rules as the power sword because they pretty much just copied psword's template to the illisi
it's why you could just spam illisi's activation compared to the other two force swords and why the first target stat doesn't scale the special on it
royal vortex
psyker has a whole ass peril mechanic to balance special activations and the ill...
the force swords are the biggest victim of dogshit activation mechanics
fading vale
remember when you could technically one shot reapers with illisi
south folio
the force swords are the biggest victim of dogshit activation mechanics
and it's on PSYKER AUGH
royal vortex
the strongest argument for this game not being ready for release isnt any of the bugs or crafting not being done when the game came out
it's the fact they made every activation mechanic awful to use
south folio
when does my magic class get to be cool with magic instead of adhering to the same stupid activation mechanic as other weapons
yeah just something that was thrown at the wall first
fading vale
it's the fact they made every activation mechanic awful to use
hammer with animation cancel 😎
fading vale
yeah they removed all the hard coded extra delay after they removed the cancel cause it was so unfun and painful
fair igloo
wat if it had no animation and it was instant on a cooldown
fresh sentinel
hmm, okay so i found something interesting
the bug i encountered was in a patch that was only live for a short period
like 2 weeks
royal vortex
tying weapon mechanics to explicit cooldowns is generally a pretty easy way to make the weapon feel bad
fair igloo
that's fairrr
fresh sentinel
hotfix 1.2.1 was the patch where i encountered dreg gunners being weird
fading vale
you missed out josho, we all ran anti stan armor earlier
royal vortex
amazing
fading vale
and then he just started shooting us on purpose
fresh sentinel
oh yeah, this was the patch right before they fixed empowered smite
good times, good times
royal vortex
i tazed dough with the blitzer quite a few times because he brought the arc armor
it just knocked him down and dealt like 1/30th his health in damage
royal vortex
i will never feel bad for teamkilling stan
south folio
put the child down
royal vortex
because he will go "i am dropping a mortar" completely deadpan and refuse to stop dropping the mortar when you say there's a bunch of berserkers chasing him
and then he gets upset when you kill him because he was "joking"
strange concept of comedy
royal vortex
lmao
fading vale
also gassed the team earlier cause apparently there was an orbitals are less accurate modifier lol
royal vortex
it was necessary
north sedge
There was also a game where only i wore the stan resist armor and he never shot me
However he killed the other two repeatedly
fading vale
we still need to do a quad flamethrower bug run
fading vale
you can and you will
royal vortex
fading vale
laser pistol only run
royal vortex
pls no
fading vale
and tesla tower
royal vortex
fading vale
I think the only person I killed with a mine today was stan
royal vortex
did u get any enemies
fading vale
of course
royal vortex
hell yeah
fading vale
they were invaluable to our success for the terminid control objective
frozen glen
arc shotgun arc shotgun
fading vale
yeah it seemed kind of like uh, just bring an arc thrower
royal vortex
well its like ok because it has decent cc
it helps keeps bugs off u
if u care fo rthat
fading vale
no I want to be surrounded by bugs
royal vortex
like if u made me choose between it and the liberator concussive i would choose the blitzer
is this a high bar? no
it could use the same general bugfixes the arc thrower needs with dead enemies n stuff not completely fucking it
26 warbonds off acquiring the legendary dagger
fading vale
incredible
royal vortex
im so excited
fading vale
I can tell
fading vale
meh, has 3 dead things but you could replace both blessings I guess
cursive cloak
that bad huh? I haven't used the mk xv much
fading vale
the blessings aren't good, crit chance is not good, but you could swap blessings for shred and rampage
probably easier to just make one
fading vale
that's the general concensus
glossy abyss
I just rolled a 380 kant combat shotgun anyone got a good build for it?
fading vale
flak maniac, no respite + FF/DS/FB
fading vale
Fire frenzy, deathspitter, full bore
glossy abyss
ok
patent patrol
Bro what is this, a peashooter?
misty raven
I've had sub 10s
patent patrol
I've had sub 10s
This is the most Min-maxed Spearhead I've seen so far
16% mobility 💀
misty raven
I've had several like 78-80s everything but mobility boltguns and it was still like 50ish
Emprah definitely telling ya to hit the gym
patent patrol
This game is literally an abusive relationship
for me
it goes really well and then decides 'y'know what? I'mma kick you in the balls as hard as I physically can even though you're only on Heresy difficulty'
safe tusk
That's how we like it here
fading vale
That's how we like it here
🙄
patent patrol
That's how we like it here
Lmao
spice bay
dose the bolter have better or worse killing power then the revolver
misty raven
Lmao 68% is fine
spice bay
i mean its almost 70
misty raven
dose the bolter have better or worse killing power then the revolver
Different use cases. Bolter can mag dump and kill groups. If you just want a quick swap to delete a special, revolver is the way to go
patent patrol
Different use cases. Bolter can mag dump and kill groups. If you just want a qui...
if you wanna mag dump crushers tho
bolter does it
Bolter is basically that 'fuck this specific enemy' gun.
misty raven
Nothing is a requirement. People in the discord just have enough time investment that warps your sense of "viability" vs "ideal". 60s anything for most weapons is absolutely fine.
misty raven
It's swap speed and aim not so much. If you see a single bomber to go back to killing horde revolver will serve you better. You want a mag dumper/dmr? Bolter will serve you
spice bay
Different use cases. Bolter can mag dump and kill groups. If you just want a qui...
yeah bolter takes a while to pull out
polar nexus
polar nexus
yeah bolter takes a while to pull out
use bolter with knives then
visual stream
I love crushers
spice bay
use bolter with knives then
I am
polar nexus
you can cancel the equip animation by throwing a knife
fading vale
I mean honestly a revolver can kill just about as many things in 1 mag (not bulwarks and crushers) and has no downside
spice bay
bolter took a lil to get used to but i like it a bit more
fading vale
at least on zealot
though a revolver should be able to kill 2 crushers in 4 shots with anoint IIRC
but if we are talking all the minor elites and specials excluding mutants
rocky marsh
I thought 70+ was like
Only cause like ( in general) most weapon hit new breakpoint after upper 70s, some even need all to be 80
Just test in psk with load out config mod to see how much stat your weapon need
rocky marsh
though a revolver should be able to kill 2 crushers in 4 shots with anoint IIRC
Wait legit, I thought volvo can 2 shot only because of chastise + crit
Just crit can 2 shot too?
patent patrol
Only cause like ( in general) most weapon hit new breakpoint after upper 70s, so...
No idea how to download mods
none
lol
so
fading vale
Wait legit, I thought volvo can 2 shot only because of chastise + crit
Just crit...
uh, if not it's very close
I'd imagine it's definitely a 2 shot with cara perk
assuming hand cannon of course
rocky marsh
No idea how to download mods
I mean it's not hard but if you insist can't really help you there
patent patrol
I mean it's not hard but if you insist can't really help you there
My thing is I don't like jumping through 50 loopholes. That and I don't wanna find out if I mod the wrong thing and get banned.
💀
or just brick my game
so yeah I'm good on that. Not taking risks there
ember yew
My thing is I don't like jumping through 50 loopholes. That and I don't wanna fi...
you wont get banned and at best you get crit error, even though i ran like 20 mods
everything is working fine
patent patrol
I'll give it a try later.
spice bay
what is the ideal boltgun? like order of stat priority, blessing, ext
polar nexus
on zealot?
spice bay
yeah
coarse dagger
It hit hard and sound chunky
ivory marlin
coarse dagger
omg a basilisk
spiral anvil
Him
ivory marlin
ivory marlin
what is the name of this beast
Her name is echo
She woke up cuz i filled her water bowl up and she had to make it known i woke her up
coarse dagger
grumpy girl lol
coarse dagger
birthday party for her?
ivory marlin
Maybe
fading vale
I have to wear pants all the time cause whenever Steve really wants attention or whatever recently he nips my legs lol
ivory marlin
birthday party for her?
If you wanna get her anything she really likes when i have money
visual stream
I have to wear pants all the time cause whenever Steve really wants attention or...
My new cat tears up my pajamas because she's severely lap-needy and doesn't know that she can indeed put her claws away when she sits on me
coarse dagger
she'll have fun no matter what, she looks healthy and happy
ivory marlin
She is
visual stream
I'm talking I put her down and ten seconds later she jumps back up
ivory marlin
I make sure she’s as happy as possible
visual stream
This repeats for as long as I'm in my chair
fading vale
My new cat tears up my pajamas because she's severely lap-needy and doesn't know...
just trim her claws a bit
visual stream
Did recently, she grows em back fast 😭
ivory marlin
Get a lizard
coarse dagger
cat?
fading vale
I'm talking I put her down and ten seconds later she jumps back up
I have to throw Steve off my mousepad constantly until he finally gives up
coarse dagger
If this is about cats try getting them new toys and see if that helps
fading vale
ivory marlin
Steve seems like a silly little car
coarse dagger
LOOK AT THAT CAR
mine is feeling yucky rn but I would get another picture of him otherwise
spiral anvil
Her
coarse dagger
creatura....
ivory marlin
She is mighty on her rock
coarse dagger
their faces always seem so expressive despite being reptiles it's so cute
ivory marlin
I love her little face
coarse dagger
the wingless dragon
fading vale
royal vortex
I have to throw Steve off my mousepad constantly until he finally gives up
STEVE, GET OFF MY MOUSEPAD
ivory marlin
Steve
coarse dagger
STEVE MISCHIEF
frozen glen
steve is absolutely not a little guy
coarse dagger
13 lbs but still a little baby
coarse dagger
Hope you're ready for a small child
ivory marlin
When does the cat distribution system or cds choose me
fading vale
get a cat and let it play with echo
ivory marlin
Nah that sounds dangerous
spiral anvil
Cats are so low maintenance 😴
ivory marlin
In my head theyll be best friends tho
coarse dagger
CDS chose me when my previous roommate had no idea how cats worked and couldn't find anyone else to care for this senior kittizen but he loves me and I can afford him so it's fine
i love my Sam son...
ivory marlin
Oh sweet
I thought the CDS chose me once but then i had to go and i couldn’t collect my cat
coarse dagger
wait is there a legit CDS lol
coarse dagger
I'm glad I was able to keep my old man. We really vibe
coarse dagger
my cat's been through a lot and yet he's still a sweetheart it's hard to fathom
spiral anvil
Both my cats are rescues and they are really friendly and nice
coarse dagger
my son....
fair igloo
need more 3am cat posting
drifting wolf
mewer
fading vale
sharp oyster
Question, on Martyrdom builds, for curios; besides wounds what else you put on sub stats
Hmmmmmmmmmm
Caparace is better than Maniac?
drowsy steppe
Carapace isnt gonna do a significant whole lot on the kant
drowsy steppe
Question, on Martyrdom builds, for curios; besides wounds what else you put on s...
usually gunner resist and either a health/toughness perk
sharp oyster
Carapace isnt gonna do a significant whole lot on the kant
So should I replace it with Maniac?
drowsy steppe
yea
just look at the damage table and flak and maniac will almost always be preferable
sharp oyster
Wish it had Full Bore but that'll do
Huh my damage didn't change
Perhaps it's the Hub mod menu
I'll just restart
Ah now it changed
from 922 to 1123
But i don't get it what makes this shotgun special
I use it and I don't see a better perfomance compared to the revolver
drowsy steppe
its still accurate in medium, and surprisingly can still pick snipers off at long range
south folio
the primary shot is good enough for sniping specials/some elites
the special is an infinite cleave fire shot
drowsy steppe
and the special rounds applies burning DOT, reaching max stacks of 10. 2 rounds of it is enough to reach max stacks and it'll burn down hordes consistently
also yea its infinite cleave for some reason
sharp oyster
2 rounds you say
drowsy steppe
yea
fading vale
also just don't use revolver as a comparison, it's rather overpowered
drowsy steppe
although it might be 3, if we're accounting to the spread of the pellets
fading vale
but yeah kant does everything
special with infinite cleave including bulwarks is super good
sharp oyster
What was exactly Cleave
fading vale
the amount of hitmass you can shoot or melee through, basically the numbers of enemies and different enemies have different hitmass
drowsy steppe
dense field
It would help if fs didn't try so hard to sink the game
light holly
Well and FS just put out a statement, I kinda wished I could compare and contrast vt2 with the downtime on updates because it just seems like a similar update wave
Even I'd go as far as to say similar spikes in player engagement only glancing over vt2 and comparing darktide
ember yew
ded gaem
misty raven
Even I'd go as far as to say similar spikes in player engagement only glancing o...
Looked through the patch history on steam. For timeframe differences. VT2 got a VT1 map and Winds of Magic 18 months after launch with various balance passes and blogs.
Season 2 of VT2 then started in Jan 2020. Which is almost 2 years almost launch
ember yew
now imagine what would happen to Helldivers 2 if the game was 4 months without a single content update
misty raven
Considering how it is? The game would be fine. People don't know what a dead game is
misty raven
Lmao
ember yew
the worst case of this is still overwatch 1
a game without updates for 2.5 years
then they slapped an update patch, removed anything that can be earned by playing normally and called it "2"
misty raven
And apparently that still has a decent playerbase. So...yea a dropped ball but not "dead"
ember yew
not at that time
at the dead times you could be sitting for 15+ minutes
as DPS and 10 minutes as healer
searching for a match
only tank players got 1-3 minutes waiting time
misty raven
Not isn't indicative of a dead population you dingus
That's literally role que and making it harder for yourself
frosty herald
You wanna look at a dead game look at payday 3
ember yew
You wanna look at a dead game look at payday 3
my friend still plays it and believe that it will revive
frosty herald
Hopium overdose
Brother has spent too much money and cant believe the game is dead
ember yew
but its the fastest game
to lose all players, maybe 2nd to multiverse
multiverse is like 150k steam month1 and in like 2 months it was 1k
misty raven
Now there you go. Have dysfunctional online and not enough players to fill lobbies at most times. 1-5k for a co-op horde shooter is healthy as long as your region is supported
ember yew
Then Multiverse(Multiversus) was closed for a year and it's gonna relaunch soon. But if they didn't change core gameplay/combo mechanics and balance, it's gonna flop again.
misty raven
Actually surprised something like For Honor is still trucking along pretty nicely for a niche kind of fighting game
All I know they went to UE5, improved netcode, PvE and cast getting new moves and obviously more characters
But I don't really care for it
I paid for Lawbreakers and that shit died or was it even breathing at go?
frank night
iirc it had a beta that had decent interest and then not many people bought it + the population plummeted instantly
who was the lawbreakers guy
Chuck from gears of war?
umbral kindle
It released when everyone was still obsessed with Overwatch, Battle Royale was exploding and it had a pretty high skill floor
Cliff Blezinski
(from Gears of War)
frank night
the guy who keeps inserting his foot into his mouth during interviews and having fights with Epic
umbral kindle
Good at making gameplay though
frosty herald
You mean cliff?
coarse dagger
poxburster behavior
umbral kindle
Cliff (surname that rhymes with a certain passionate environmentalist)
umbral kindle
I think it looks fine
frank night
i diagnose u with 1992
umbral kindle
I think main factors for failure were the market and how hard it was for casual players to get into
frank night
that's the big bear trap for arena shooters imo yeah
once ppl get good at it they become incredibly unfun to play against
umbral kindle
It's also a dying genre in general
Which is kind of a shame, the Unreal Tournament 4 alpha was pretty fun
Till Epic abandoned it
umbral kindle
Then the cunts delisted every Unreal game from every storefront (you know the games that literally made them relevant)
frosty herald
And EGS is still non-profitable
Epic doesnt want the average consumer to use their storefront
frank night
arent they busy beating the rest of us because Apple keeps beating them
solar gorge
is that the guy from poker night at the inventory omg
frosty herald
Epic stopped buying exclusivity
worldly nebula
frosty herald
O O F
worldly nebula
The same 10 people have been playing this game for like 5 years
Probably most of them are the developers
All I’m saying is, think twice before you call Darktide a dead game, okay?
coarse dagger
I know of an indie game that's been running since 2012 and even after the most current version went offline due to the company going bankrupt people found a way to keep playing. Can't be more than 50 people in it now and yet..
Awesomenauts btw
obtuse stirrup
Huh, that died? I liked the yogscast videos on it, fun spin on the MOBA genre
coarse dagger
Yeah Atari bought it but the main version is still offline
umbral kindle
I have a couple friends that play a fan-revived version of an old EA pay to win racing mmo
coarse dagger
Toontown....
umbral kindle
NFS:World
umbral kindle
The official servers were shut down years ago
umbral kindle
Same
coarse dagger
lemme check my hours...
umbral kindle
It was very pay to win which made it not so fun and balanced
ember yew
sadly cant remember anything about monetization on ps3, only some characters and gameplay
coarse dagger
😵
worldly nebula
I know of an indie game that's been running since 2012 and even after the most c...
Ay I thought you were talking about City of Heroes
umbral kindle
Not sure it even had characters
coarse dagger
Ay I thought you were talking about City of Heroes
nope, and I used to be a noteworthy personality in the Awesomenauts community too 😔
ember yew
among 10 others? /s
but thats some dedication right there though
polar nexus
teehee
coarse dagger
Not sure how beyond doing fanart but the devs ended up asking me if I wanted to participate in a coaching competition for a specific character
umbral kindle
I've been playing this small indie game since 2012 called Minecraft dunno if anyone's heard of it
ember yew
like i enjoyed Ragnarok Online back in the day even when online was like 400 players
solar gorge
I've been playing this small indie game since 2012 called Minecraft dunno if any...
dead game
coarse dagger
among 10 others? /s
but thats some dedication right there though
thanks I'm autistic (lighthearted)
it was my fixation for a while
solar gorge
tf2
coarse dagger
does Wow count
worldly nebula
like i enjoyed Ragnarok Online back in the day even when online was like 400 pla...
I played a little RO in college. T’was cool, but I never got to the high-level content
ember yew
i mean within like 100 players left
umbral kindle
Minecraft lol
ember yew
worldly nebula
I think one of my friends still plays it
coarse dagger
i mean within like 100 players left
ah WoW then (joking)
solar gorge
100 is really low
ember yew
just like 50-500 then, but "glorious in the past" (god knows how glorious)
umbral kindle
They're generally very niche communities so you're probably not gonna hear about many
oH
I know one
coarse dagger
Starbound
worldly nebula