Sorry Kuli guide not Pygex
#zealot-class
polar nexus
south folio
kuli's guides only remark about it being coherency regen
you'll have to screenshot which part says that it should apply to other forms of toughness ergen
polar nexus
The coherency regen delay (i.e. the time until coherency regeneration kicks in after its conditions have been met) is currently bugged: It varies depending on the length of the death animation of the last enemy occupying a slot and hence appears to also be unaffected by the toughness_regen_delay_multiplier provided by Toughness Regeneration Speed curios.
zealous basin
coherency regen
south folio
yeah
polar nexus
That's what I understood
south folio
coherency regen
polar nexus
That the delay affected other form of replenishment
polar nexus
So why the fuck does Pygex advocate for tg Regen speed curios?
zealous basin
doesnt it still increase the actual rate of coherency toughness gain
or rather does it? idk
south folio
you can also see them regenerate toughness on melee kill immediately without caring for the delay in the posted video #zealot-class message
you'll have to ask pygex for that
gray ice
What's the consensus on riposte on Deimos, feels kinda mediocre compared to what could be there
south folio
nice but i'm prob just gonna slap on another blessing yeah
gray ice
aaaaah
south folio
no particular need to stack crit unlike zealot and force swords have a better pool of options compared to knife/duelling swords
gray ice
Yea im kinda aiming for like uncanny/slaught or maybe precog
but fuck rolling this thing has been cursed
polar nexus
'Psykers are a glass cannon class and having that extra Toughness Regeneration Speed is extremely important as not only does it give you more toughness but it also shortens the delay it takes for your coherency regeneration to kick in after taking damage."
polar nexus
If tg Regen speed only affects the timer on coherency Regen... Who cares?
zealous basin
yeah i wont play hunt showdown with u sorry
south folio
p much
polar nexus
I thought it helped with other form of replenishment
zealous basin
become a strong solo gamer
maiden path
i dont OWN it
polar nexus
Like soulstealer, mettle
south folio
esp on the class that has the easiest access to toughness regen talents
maiden path
i dont wanna play with u pal
polar nexus
Because I thought there was a delay
zealous basin
skill issue ig
zealous basin
im like dis fr
maiden path
i wouild of used dat new katana
zealous basin
crown flechette sounds cringe and disgusting
maiden path
would of sliced their head off
zealous basin
and terrible but based
fading vale
what
south folio
lazorr
fading vale
hi
zealous basin
what the fuck
south folio
lazorr
fading vale
oh Josiah has awoken
coarse birch
Yea im kinda aiming for like uncanny/slaught or maybe precog
i run uncanny slaught
zealous basin
who
ripe quest
The coherency regen delay (i.e. the time until coherency regeneration kicks in a...
I wouldn't really call it a bug and more of an oversight.
It's not a new feature.
fading vale
you missed out on stan gloating about not teamkilling with arc thrower and then next mission immediately team kills every single person with it
gray ice
I've been on a real centennial shorty silencer bend
zealous basin
why would u gloat about not teamkilling with arc thrower
frosty herald
I was also a victim
zealous basin
thats a huge L
royal vortex
stan is not responsible enough to have an arc thrower
fading vale
why would u gloat about not teamkilling with arc thrower
cause he always does it
zealous basin
I've been on a real centennial shorty silencer bend
i hunt silencer gamers 
zealous basin
cause he always does it
he should gloat about that
tking with arc thrower is based
ripe quest
you missed out on stan gloating about not teamkilling with arc thrower and then ...
He literally fucking does
zealous basin
its the closest man get get to god
gray ice
i hunt silencer gamers <:Madge:772986831205040148>
you can't hunt me I'm already hunting you
rapidly closing the distance to your location
zealous basin
i got da sparks pistol its over for u yung blud
ripe quest
Every time I see him behind me throwing arcs around I get anxious because he'll turn me into a tesla coil half the time
fading vale
lol
gray ice
I have a officer carbine with your name on it
royal vortex
i kill stan if i sense an imminent blue on blue incident
fading vale
I was hiding from an arc thrower and it chained around a big rock 😦
south folio
deserved
royal vortex
mittins was there when i gunned him down to stop him placing a mortar when i was chased by berserkers
ripe quest
I want a mech with an HMG emplacement bolted to the side of it that thing fucks
gray ice
im built diff
you do not want dis trubble buddy
zealous basin
i would simply click ur head first idk
gray ice
one day i'll meet you in the bayou
and you shall know pain when i throw a world spawn axe at your kneecap
I think i can live with this
hushed knoll
I want a mech with an HMG emplacement bolted to the side of it that thing fucks
What is hmg
ripe quest
What is hmg
heavy machine gun
fading vale
hnnnngghhhh machine gun
ripe quest
It's a stratagem
ripe quest
HHMMMMMG
ripe quest
Heavy Heavy Material Machine of Material Machining Machine Gun
fading vale
why arent you asleep
north sedge
hyped up on pretzel dust
ripe quest
Exhillious why aren't you in bedge <:peepoBedge:972931189851697173>
What time do you think it is for me rn
hushed knoll
Idk
hushed knoll
fading vale
is burritoing another bed technique
ripe quest
No.
hushed knoll
south folio
it's 7:39pm stan
north sedge
Lol
fading vale
how do you decide between burrito mermaid and angel
ripe quest
south folio
arab is already in my name so i won't be adding that
hushed knoll
how do you decide between burrito mermaid and angel
You can mermaid while burritoing but not bed angel
hushed knoll
fading vale
oh I see
hushed knoll
Do you see?
fading vale
I'm not blind
royal vortex
i am
ripe quest
I am legally blind
fading vale
Josh o
ripe quest
Get ratio'd st an a n
south folio
you can't bed angle while wrapped up in blankets
but you can swipe your legs around while burrito'd
that's my interpretation
ripe quest
I'm your biggest fan stan, Stan.
hushed knoll
you can't bed angle while wrapped up in blankets
DING DING DONG QE HBAE A WINNER
DING
south folio
guh
hushed knoll
I'm your biggest ~~fan~~ stan, Stan.
Are you aerial m
royal vortex
what do u think of heterochromia stan
hushed knoll
M and m
ripe quest
Are you aerial m
Say that again but better
fading vale
DONG QE HBAE is your new name
hushed knoll
what do u think of heterochromia stan
I think it's fine
south folio
DONG QE HBAE is your new name
no
royal vortex
would someone with heterochromia survive 1945
ripe quest
royal vortex
lmfao
royal vortex
one of the 3 mildly interesting facts about the jster is that i have heterochromia
inner cargo
would someone with heterochromia survive 1945
Well duh
fading vale
royal vortex
the jster is me
visual stream
one of the 3 mildly interesting facts about the jster is that i have heterochrom...
chromia but make it straight
hushed knoll
STOP
royal vortex
What colors
green/blue
gray ice
anyone been to the homo cinema recently
royal vortex
that one might beat jinjosjo kosjo
royal vortex
finally a place in ohio i can live in
hushed knoll
homo cincinnati
Dough said you helped animate Toy Story
fading vale
hey arco I heard you got helldivers
south folio
no
royal vortex
can't believe arco is installing helldivers rn
visual stream
homo cincinnati
cincinnatians would be very upset if they could read
royal vortex
i do belive they are called cinnamon af, yes
visual stream
hushed knoll
i do belive they are called cinnamon af, yes
Are you cinnamon af
royal vortex
nay
hushed knoll
https://tenor.com/view/apple-jacks-cereal-breakfast-apple-jacks-cereal-gif-18369...
These were so racist
royal vortex
for i would not have survived 1945
hushed knoll
Josho
royal vortex
Stan
visual stream
https://tenor.com/view/apple-jacks-cereal-breakfast-apple-jacks-cereal-gif-18369...
Did you know in cereal commercials they use like glue and shit to make the pouring last longer and be less messy
fading vale
Did you know in cereal commercials they use like glue and shit to make the pouri...
yeah I've seen that stuff
royal vortex
i was supposed to have a twin but he expired before birth
hushed knoll
Did you eat him in the womb
royal vortex
no
fading vale
imagine there being two of you though
hushed knoll
Endless scarabs
visual stream
Reminds me of bone cracking noises made from breaking celery(?), like what made someone think to do that
royal vortex
endlass scarabs
visual stream
Why are you pouring glue on your cereal and boning celery
hushed knoll
What
visual stream
Not like that
royal vortex
stan has not hit me with the spelling fail
south folio
OwO
royal vortex
my scheme was ruined
south folio
wh
royal vortex
what the hell
south folio
hi stan
visual stream
OWO ARCO NOTIVHE GZOU CHAN EDU
south folio
i acknowledge your notice of me
fading vale
should I try WcDonalds sauce
hushed knoll
should I try WcDonalds sauce
I still don't get this
fading vale
WHAT IS THERE TO GET
fading vale
bro
royal vortex
that cat is bustin it down feline style
fading vale
it's an actual sauce they made
royal vortex
and u are powerless to stop it
south folio
I have the power of God and anemia on my hide
top 10 superpowers
fading vale
Stan what superpower would you choose
coarse birch
what
south folio
why a wristwatch
south folio
have you considered giving yourself laser eyes
royal vortex
you will not turn my fucking roomba into a wristwatch
south folio
instead of trapping me into a wristwatch
royal vortex
south folio
i am a roomba
polar nexus
Oyo Stan
royal vortex
hushed knoll
Ok I have to go to bedge 
south folio
gnite
zealous basin
why is the child like this
south folio
why would the pillow do this to you!!!
hushed knoll
I would never attack you*
hushed knoll
why would the pillow do this to you!!!
You should buy a Chillow
south folio
what's that
hushed knoll
You can pout it in the freezer
royal vortex
do not
hushed knoll
A pillow
royal vortex
you... what?
hushed knoll
I love Chillows
royal vortex
ur pillows aint survivin 1945 💀
south folio
so basically an ice pack pillow
hushed knoll
Josho shut
south folio
WOW
hushed knoll
Goodnight
royal vortex
ur not attractive enough to make me shut up
royal vortex
goodnight stan
coarse birch
gn stan
north sedge
I heard arco got hd2?
patent patrol
Ok so the IVe Crusher is bad right? I was told it is but idk
south folio
nah its very good
patent patrol
Is it?
south folio
a melee weapon with a stupid amount of CC and you're not exactly giving up damage for it either
patent patrol
Well I found this one in the shop.
south folio
looking nice
crusher is also p easy to gear up since it has a small blessing pool and really only one "mandatory" blessing
south folio
nah
a crowd control melee that has p good damage and the skullcrusher blessing
no crazy single-target against unyielding like the thammers
south folio
I heard arco got hd2?
patent patrol
no crazy single-target against unyielding like the thammers
You wanna see the other two IVe crushers in the shop? They're hilariously bad
north sedge
https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/686867704543445113.gif?size=80&quality=lossles...
Oh i did already can't wait to play with you
patent patrol
Firstly, this one. It ain't doin shit to anything 💀
south folio
Oh i did already can't wait to play with you
you would be good as a sesame ball
south folio
trajik
patent patrol
28% damage 💀
steep hound
Firstly, this one. It ain't doin shit to anything 💀
I'd buy this one for T3 skullcrusher if you dont already have T4
patent patrol
I'd buy this one for T3 skullcrusher if you dont already have T4
I have nothing on the IVe I don't think
don't use it
is skullcrusher actually good on that thing?
south folio
ye
steep hound
Skullcrusher is the main one you want on it
north sedge
it is required
south folio
stack up to 80% damage on a target while they're staggered
north sedge
there is an in depth crusher guide in the pins
south folio
crusher is a weapon that can deal some insane area stagger so it is p much the best melee to take advantage of this blessing
compared to, asy, the dclaw
patent patrol
there is an in depth crusher guide in the pins
I wanna figure it out on my own.
but I just need the proper build
Anyway what do I want on it preferably.
glacial stratus
@royal vortex Is the new bug mission doable? How do you protect the silos?
patent patrol
perks and second blessing
north sedge
There's not alot of options on it
patent patrol
skullcrusher + trauma/hammerblow
Mine has trauma 2 rn. It'll work if I get a bad second perk ig
fading vale
<@445566734255259648> Is the new bug mission doable? How do you protect the silo...
we've done it many times, watch out for team damage on it with turrets and what not
patent patrol
And it's a combo weapon
wdym combo weapon? stagger shit and pull out something else to deal heavy damage sorta thing?
or chain hits?
cause I used the Ironhelm for that basically when it came to crowd clear.
south folio
you'll be thinking about your attack chain more than most other melee weapons
patent patrol
https://tenor.com/view/dan-street-fighter-combo-dan-hibiki-sfv-gif-20337022
ah, so repeated whacking
got it
lol
north sedge
no
royal vortex
<@445566734255259648> Is the new bug mission doable? How do you protect the silo...
mechs are decent for it
north sedge
different attacks
royal vortex
airstrikes outside of 500kg/orbital railcannon or laser are p terrible because u will hit the silo with em
royal vortex
u want a lot of trash clear and 1-2 guys with some form of at
patent patrol
this thing sucks against bosses doesn't it?
royal vortex
no
patent patrol
no? Is unyielding good then?
royal vortex
the crusher guide will answer the great majority of questions you have
north sedge
jinjosjo wrote the guide
north sedge
it also literally answers all the questions
south folio
well he wrote the answers there for a reason
he's not going to copy and paste when it's linked and you can just read it
we're not saying "read the guide" just cuz
you're quite literally asking questions that are exactly answered by the guide
patent patrol
I'm already looking at it. I hate reading guides on the steam thing tho
hard to get the direct answers I want
steep hound
... Mmm. This is bricked.
Unyielding is good, trauma t2 is workable. You can replace infested with flak and either add skullcrusher or upgrade trauma to hammerblow depending on the last blessing roll
patent patrol
I do have a specific question though about the combo system.
south folio
patent patrol
It says L1-H2-L3-H2 and H1-L2, right? So does L1-H2-L3-H2- connect into each other?
or do I have to do like
weapon switching or something
to make that works.
north sedge
just do the attacks
patent patrol
I know there's a thing with certain weapons where you have to block to reset a string
lusty turtle
I just run gray crushers at this point
patent patrol
and keep spamming it
north sedge
no funky resets
fleet zealot
don't have to weapon change at all
once the string is over
you are reset to square one
royal vortex
none of the combos mentioned involving any sort of canceling
south folio
the combos loop yeah
fleet zealot
it doesn't need to QQ or block cancel anything
south folio
h2 chains into l1 and so on
patent patrol
I don't use the combo system often so.
you can see my confusion
i just kinda
swing
and hope
LOL.
It usually works in my favor
cause zealot does that
fleet zealot
if the combo doesn't mention QQ, cancel, block cancel at the end, it just restarts at the begining
south folio
I just run gray crushers at this point
80% dmg 80% dmg 80% dmg 80% dmg
patent patrol
swing swing swing usually
lusty turtle
80% dmg 80% dmg 80% dmg 80% dmg
Na, CC for the AS
steep hound
Give me a braindead bull butcher or rashad and let me zen in the carnage
royal vortex
crowd control on the crusher needs a bit of looking at because the stagger values on it don't actually matter
which is strange
south folio
wher my glossary of enemy stagger thresholds
royal vortex
the difference between 33% and 80% is like 6-9 stagger depending on if you measure weakspot or bodyshot difference
fading vale
huh this WcDonalds sauce is pretty weird
royal vortex
i wouldnt mind if the impact blessings had their numbers cut in half and the cc scaling made somewhat more important
because then u would have stuff on a grey crusher you wouldn't otherwise get without impact talents like the push attack headshot staggering a rager
north sedge
huh this WcDonalds sauce is pretty weird
lusty turtle
because then u would have stuff on a grey crusher you wouldn't otherwise get wit...
Ye im currently considering what sane stagger values even means
Cause its also gotta consider impact falloff 😩
royal vortex
give crusher vicious slice
north sedge
liberator concussive
royal vortex
lmao
lusty turtle
give crusher vicious slice
God
I dont even want to consider more impact blessings rn
north sedge
adhesive charge
fair igloo
give crusher power cycler
royal vortex
u cant even add significantly more impact to crusher without the stats just being redundant
in the world where crusher blessings are reworked i want a version of all or nothing that is just damage and cleave
lusty turtle
I wont lie
south folio
I dont even want to consider more impact blessings rn
weakling
south folio
i wish stats weren't on a scale from 0% to 80% and in increments of 1%
slender sigil
after many tries i finally managed to get the perfect base for the Monstrosity & Demon host one shot build. Do you remember what are the blessings name I need to get here?
north sedge
all weapons should have 20 stats you have to balance through the slot machine
minor sage
after many tries i finally managed to get the perfect base for the Monstrosity &...
You want a crucis for boss one shots
south folio
i hope a weapon rework entails just rounding weapons up to like increments from 1 to 5 that scale what a stat does
because FUCK breakpoint testing
spice bay
why do people not take blood redemption in builds?
minor sage
Ironhelm is more of a horde clear wep
slender sigil
You want a crucis for boss one shots
oh no
south folio
if i'm doing a crit build i'm taking scourge over blood redemption
slender sigil
i see, thanks
royal vortex
i dont particularly care about having to grind specific things to make a weapon work so long as ur not literally throwing shit at the wall until the slot machine shits out what u desire
slender sigil
but do you remember the blessings name?
minor sage
Thrust
south folio
and also second wind alone is enough to facilitate your toughness regen
north sedge
you want thrust + slaughterer or headtaker
royal vortex
blood redemption is fairly ok for raw horde clear toughness regen on a high stagger weapon that isn't reliably proccing second wind vs pure melee like crusher
south folio
and a situation where i'm making use of blood redemption is also a situation where i'm getting toughness in general from melee kills
and crit builds having enduring faith to work with as well
royal vortex
enduring faith is simply a disgusting talent
royal vortex
south folio
OwO
with enduring faith and the DR on dodge, you can tank a mauler overhead to toughness completely (though it still has minimum melee bleedthrough so you always take some health damage regardlesss)
lusty turtle
i hope a weapon rework entails just rounding weapons up to like increments from ...
Crusher rework was me going "it look like monk staff hehe"
spice bay
why do people not take blood redemption in builds?
south folio
is this a rhetorical question
south folio
hmmm
minor sage
What is blood redemption?
royal vortex
how is blood redemption
coarse birch
why is blood redemption
south folio
+2.5% more toughness per melee kill
south folio
nah just melee kills
not like Out for Blood unfortunately 😔
lusty turtle
Out for blood poggers
coarse birch
blood redemption feels fine to me even its just second wind exists
fading vale
who is blood redemption
north sedge
weirdly it connects directly to second wind, heh
south folio
+2.5% per melee kill or +15% toughness on dodge on a 0.5s icd 😔
much to think about these two which exist in the same line
i'm genuinely surprised that it didn't knocked down when soulstealer got knocked down to 7.5%
fair igloo
Does second wind only proc once per dodge or does it proc for every attack dodged per each one?
south folio
once per dodge cuz of the cooldown
coarse birch
once per just really low ICD afaik
fair igloo
That makes senseee just wanted to make sure
south folio
it's a fair question cuz it used to not have a cooldown
coarse birch
i'm genuinely surprised that it didn't knocked down when soulstealer got knocked...
tbf i dont think it was talked about back then
coarse birch
good thing dodging is weak :)
south folio
a toughness regen talent that isn't conditional on kills 😔
fair igloo
I love second wind cuz zealot goes from "Oh no shooters and i have no toughness i need to get to cover" to "Oh no there are shooters and I have no toughness let me press space bar a few times"
south folio
sliding also procs it so i can just slide around like a mf and free toughness
north sedge
why no stack 9 stam and block everything
south folio
can't believe i lost some toughness to a stray shooter
would be a shame if i just slid and recovered it
fair igloo
give zealot a sword made of faith energy that they can use to reflect projectiles like a lightsaber
south folio
swish swoosh
south folio
and +15% toughness
coarse birch
yeah that too
fleet zealot
why no stack 9 stam and block everything
because it's not vt2, more block breakers, more punishing block breakers, and more ranged enemies
north sedge
okkkkkkkkk but where skaven
coarse birch
and against shooters
id also say it probs shouldnt work vs shooters
fleet zealot
at it's current state even shieldgryns and deflector don't stack stamina beyond a simple +3
and most take none at all
south folio
that would a neat limitation
fleet zealot
it simply isn't needed
south folio
melee only
south folio
or separate effects vs melee and ranged dodges
coarse birch
or make one similar that works on ranged for the middle tree
royal vortex
a melee only second wind sounds incredibly limited
south folio
i'd personally just nerf it to 7.5% or 5% and call it a day
coarse birch
good
royal vortex
not good u have a talent that is completely antisynergistic to crowd control
thats terrible
south folio
i think the ICD as 0.5s is nice so that it procs on every dodge
just that 15% per dodge is fucking stupid
royal vortex
at least in the current implementation u only get trolled by smite psykers most of the time
coarse birch
im a little biased cause im kind of conflicted on how i feel about dodges in general
being so strong
ripe quest
just that 15% per dodge is fucking stupid
Should be a 0.01 cd and then 2.5% toughness on attack dodged.
south folio
i was wondering who "i am aerial m" was
ripe quest
so you get multiple procs per dodge
south folio
Should be a 0.01 cd and then 2.5% toughness on attack dodged.
so true
ripe quest
alternatively give it an ability that actually fits "second wind"
north sedge
fart and get toughness?
fair igloo
Should be a 0.01 cd and then 2.5% toughness on attack dodged.
that would be nice
so it's way stronger when dodging big hordes
royal vortex
im a little biased cause im kind of conflicted on how i feel about dodges in gen...
dodges are not the problem
it's the most interesting defensive option by far
blocking is bad, and you can buff it, but dodges being universally more powerful creates way more engaging gameplay because you're rewarding for deciding to be aggressive
south folio
only thing is that such a short cd would potentially scale a lot
coarse birch
im fine with them being the strongest defensive option they just feel very spammy
like i can just do it without thinking about it
fair igloo
I really enjoy dodges because the game rlly rewards u for using them more aggressively to be more mobile while doing actions that normally slow u down like quelling/charging heavies/reloading etc etc
south folio
more on the order of 0.1s and whatnot just to prevent insane spike scenarios
royal vortex
the game is universally weighted towards offensive action requiring more thought than defensive
there's nothing rn that requires any great amount of thought for defensive stuff
south folio
i do have a gripe with dodges in that they are very free in this game, but it's hard to say how free they are at this stage at the game cuz i'm not sure if it's also cuz the current overtuned player power level is messing with my perception
ripe quest
Honestly just thinking about Second Wind ideas makes me want a toughness ability that's super potent but needs to be refreshed on like, Monster kills.
royal vortex
the game is literally built so that you can dodge 90% of stuff on instinct
fair igloo
obv the correct solution is to weigh your playstyle so far towards the offensive actions that the defensive action is killing everything so ur safe 🙏
royal vortex
i don't think there's an alternative that is anywhere near as fun as the current implementation
royal vortex
the game also just would not work if you had more punishing dodges with how bad the netcode is
coarse birch
a world where we dont obliterate the map would probably help
south folio
i'd just make enemies like groaners/poxwalkers/bruisers have a long dodge catch
fair igloo
the game is literally built so that you can dodge 90% of stuff on instinct
please dont change dodges or zealot please please please please it's so fun
south folio
and keep the dodge catch of the other enemies the same
fair igloo
i might just be really dumb but i REALLY love how the gameplay is balanced how it is right now
south folio
cuz poxwalkers/groaners/bruisers do deserve to encroach onto your space
and can be dealt with by pushing
royal vortex
poxwalkers/groaners should never be particularly threatening
south folio
though if it's a horde of them, i should feel like my space is being encroached on
royal vortex
they exist to provide a minimum level of pressure and not much else unless something else does something
north sedge
I weight my builds towards breaking bread and finding common ground 😔
royal vortex
though if it's a horde of them, i should feel like my space is being encroached ...
this is way less an issue of dodges and more to do with how impact works rn
fair igloo
and also to occasionally bodyblock u whenever ur trying to dodge an overhead or a net lolll
south folio
even if you didn't stagger them, you can just dodge sideways and call it a day
royal vortex
i don't think you solve that by making it harder to dodge them when most things just shut them off anyways
south folio
with how hordes work and how enemies in hordes will block each other's movements anyways
fair igloo
I weight my builds towards breaking bread and finding common ground 😔
this is so cryptic
south folio
so a short dodge catch + that = guaranteed dodge against hordes if you just dodge sideways
coarse birch
yeah thats kinda the thing
royal vortex
even then i don't think that's actually the issue
coarse birch
you mash spacebar and you are invincible
royal vortex
enemies don't punish you enough for moving quickly
the dodge catch doesn't actually solve this because u just
run away anyways lol
royal vortex
being able to kite stuff with minimal effort is more a result of enemies being too slow
coarse birch
yeah that too
royal vortex
or not having specific actions to catch up
south folio
kill all +movespeed talents
royal vortex
we are kinda able to just force things to be predictable
this is not bad
fair igloo
put all characters in wheelchairs
the main threat wouldn't even be hordes atp it would be the stairs in the maps 😭
coarse birch
because we can walk backwards
royal vortex
baseline in the majority of situations a competent player should be able to understand how a situation is playing out
coarse birch
this is not bad
i think it would be fine if it was in a more interesting way than i hold away from the enemy
royal vortex
most people aren't really doing that
changing fundamental gameplay stuff like this has to be done with extreme caution because u can make the game feel bad very fast
fair igloo
I might be kinda dumb but I always thought it was designed to have situations be more predictable cuz it would be able to reward players to both think more proactively and pay attention to more things at once resulting in gameplay with alot less downtime
like if ur able to keep track of 1 situation that means with ur skill level u can go ahead and do more and then create MORE situations to clear things and the missions faster
royal vortex
the specific changes i want are giving certain enemy types the ability to punish you for being too fast harder
fair igloo
that makes sensee
royal vortex
ragers need to be gap closers more than area denial enemies
coarse birch
yeah ig i more find the cool parts of making stuff predictable is drowned out by how universally screwed most enemies are if you have any space to kite
or move away
coarse birch
or simply outpace
royal vortex
i don't know how much u can actually solve that problem
coarse birch
kiting im more ok with
royal vortex
beyond disablers existing
coarse birch
cause i at least need like map knowledge
royal vortex
i think you can make it harder to speedrun with boss gates n stuff
coarse birch
really its hard for me to gauge what i want with enemies other than a few things until we get nerfed
cause it feels so skewed rn
ripe quest
the game is literally built so that you can dodge 90% of stuff on instinct
I pray for a world where it's 60% dodge on instinct, and 40% block gaming.
coarse birch
yeah outrunning enemies stuff did always exist
royal vortex
i think people attribute way too much of the game's fundamentals to p13 powercreep
fair igloo
Maybe add in more enemies that are specifically there to limit the amount of space players have to kite and fight and stuff? The enemies that already do that like bombers/flamers are already really high threat priority cuz of that so maybe leaning more in that direction might be nice
ripe quest
gimme blocks that are JOATED I want to parry a mf and chain axe their brains out like a real Khornaholic
royal vortex
bro do u KNOW when hishock was added
coarse birch
they did say new enemies so maybe those will deal with it somewhat
fair igloo
it's like the eggman vs sonic strategy of "If your enemy is really fast and you can't hit them just take away the space they have to use that speed"
coarse birch
like people unironically say special spam is a result of p13
do people say this
royal vortex
back in like december/november i saw it
coarse birch
i dont think ive seen it
royal vortex
from ppl i had played with for months
coarse birch
ah ok
south folio
if nothing else just add a debuff if you're comically far away (>100m) and it's a 3-1 split
royal vortex
Maybe add in more enemies that are specifically there to limit the amount of spa...
enemies atm are globally just too slow
you can walk (not sprint) away from groaners
coarse birch
id prefer enemies get faster than our space get limited ye
south folio
enemies faster would be nice
fair igloo
actually adding more enemies that are speedcentric would be really cool and sounds fun to play against
royal vortex
or the speed scaled with difficulty
nah i think that would just fuck with new players too much
fair igloo
yea KF2 and ultrakill scale enemy speeds w/ difficulty too right?
coarse birch
i dont need 7 groaners chain hitting me because they are on my ass but i also probably shouldnt be able to just ignore them
south folio
a damnation only thing then prolly
royal vortex
i dont need 7 groaners chain hitting me because they are on my ass but i also pr...
me when backstab noise no work
fair igloo
i feel like if it was a damnation exclusive thing that would make it even MORE confusing
south folio
so that there's the implicit understanding that it's the highest difficulty and that there are some bonus changes
augh
i'd make it some subtle changes them
fair igloo
cuz like if the speed was the same in all other diffs and then all of a sudden everything feels different when they finally try damnation
south folio
raise the baseline speed of enemies so that the range isn't that wide or whatever
coarse birch
i kinda hope they dont do some slow down effect just cause thats always felt garbo to me
south folio
or enemies just tend to do the faster startup attacks
coarse birch
somewhat depends how they do it
fair igloo
what about adding a special that gives speed buffs to units around it?
south folio
cuz enemies have these attacks with a comically long startup
south folio
enemies should have attacks that are in-between a standing and running attack
coarse birch
i dont mind it on crushers cause its meant to signify it one shots and also means you dont get backstabbed
but yeah everything is slow or the dodge tracking is so bad i can still dodge it with bad dodges
other than flamer kicks randomly
royal vortex
enemies should have attacks that are in-between a standing and running attack
some of them do
like crushers
it just doesnt do much 90% of the time
coarse birch
flamer kicks are like randomly very fast and very spammable
and serve the cause of making me sad
royal vortex
i guardbroke myself 7 times trying to push attack a flamer
coarse birch
yeah crushers do have the sweep
south folio
flamer kicks being one of the melee attacks with a short startup catches me off guard so much
cuz i forget about it
south folio
i got fucked by it because i lost too much toughness to a kick and got owned
coarse birch
ive been owned by flamer kicks more than i care to admit
josho out of curiosity would you want knife to still be like fast enough to out run shit in a world where enemy speed got buffed so we cant just get away from everything easily or no
merry spade
My friend downloaded a mod that replaces the texture of the chorus of spiritual fortitude charm with a bar of soap that's been branded with the imperial Aquilla, and replaces the chorus voiceline with the zealot screaming "TAKE A SHOWER!"
coarse birch
i feel like its a slightly weird weapon identity but it can be somewhat neat for setting up slower weapons
royal vortex
josho out of curiosity would you want knife to still be like fast enough to out ...
u cannot really take the mobility from knife
coarse birch
yeah thats what i figured
royal vortex
ur left with a weapon that has traded far too much for single target damage
visual stream
ive been owned by flamer kicks more than i care to admit
You're so brave for admitting this because me too
patent patrol
I live in spain without the S.
south folio
i hope the other knife mark just has a bunch of heavy stabs
or an l1->h2 or h1->l2 stab combo
fair igloo
I live in spain without the S.
this is still usable i think right?
royal vortex
i hope the other knife mark just has a bunch of heavy stabs
make it the ds2
call it a day
south folio
if nothing else they can just remove the movespeed that you get on knife for heavy attacking
cuz baseline knife sprint speed is just +0.97 at most
which isn't much
royal vortex
ur not much
south folio
wh
royal vortex
DESTROYED
coarse birch
sorry arco you have commited too many sins against me
south folio
................
coarse birch
also i just disagreed with josho albeit temporarily like twice
i cant disagree again
royal vortex
what the fuck am i gonna do kill u
frozen glen
kill him
north sedge
you will run over him slightly in a robot
south folio
what the fuck am i gonna do kill u
yes
coarse birch
i dont like upsetting people
royal vortex
cowardice
south folio
i'm very good at placating people
coarse birch
arco killed my whole family
south folio
no i didn't
coarse birch
proof
frozen glen
arco killed my whole foods
coarse birch
?
south folio
you're still alive
north sedge
royal vortex
can you believe it guys? evi buff, just a week away! evi buffs in a week! woohoo! I am so happy about this information.
frozen glen
shut the fuck up bosco
south folio
costco???
frozen glen
maralago
royal vortex
what the hell
coarse birch
when someone refers to killing their whole family generally they are not referring to themselves you fucking duckling
median steeple
costco hotdogs are gre
coarse birch
i do not have a costco
delicate shadow
bunnings snags are the best
coarse birch
can you believe it guys? evi buff, just a week away! evi buffs in a week! woohoo...
is this a copypasta
south folio
i do not have a costco
lmao L
coarse birch
ive missed so much zealot chat lore
hard nexus
ive missed so much zealot chat lore
dw nothing really happened
south folio
yeah it's a copypasta from the days long ago
coarse birch
by being a psyker chatter for a year
south folio
i only became a zealot chat regular in like march of last year
south folio
is so tragic
frozen glen
it's from flip isn't it
south folio
you would know
yeah i would know about being superior to those without a costco
median steeple
royal vortex
it is an old chant from before the warhammer skulls update
royal vortex
when evis was so fucked the rev didn't damage targets 5-8
median steeple
duck
coarse birch
when evis was so fucked the rev didn't damage targets 5-8
uhhhhh clay said it was good
frozen glen
it is from flip
coarse birch
?????
frozen glen
I thought it was from one of the banished ones
hard nexus
it's from flip isn't it
lmao yes
royal vortex
say his name
frozen glen
when evis was so fucked the rev didn't damage targets 5-8
virgin 4 cleave cap vs chad cleave that capped specifically 4 targets
frozen glen
yes josho
royal vortex
im going to burn your house down and deny you entry into a homeless shelter
coarse birch
your letting him live?
south folio
agoooooooooo
frozen glen
I'm going to make u the homeless shelter
royal vortex
y'roue*
south folio
I'm going to make u the homeless shelter
OwO
coarse birch
im going to bed
south folio
gnite
median steeple
the beast slumbers
coarse birch
cannot believe josho would make me do this
why am i the beast
of all the people here
royal vortex
dream of bolter buffs
median steeple
you're the first to fall asleep
frozen glen
do not go to sleep josho will burn ur house down
and deny ur entry to homeless shelter
coarse birch
this is an acceptable outcome
royal vortex
it is not
coarse birch
also im p sure josho is incapable of burning my house down he would light match and then forget he lit till it started burning his fingers and it goes out
coarse birch
am i wrong
fair igloo
build josho the bare minimum of what counts as a house so theyre ineligible for homeless shelters
stick tent
royal vortex
yes ur wrong wtf is wrong with u
coarse birch
"i didnt realize i was standing in fire"
frozen glen
josho would burn food and ask if the fire was off
coarse birch
i feel like there have been multiple instances that could resemble what i have described
south folio
what if josho has screen effects turned off irl
royal vortex
i am being gaslit
frozen glen
u wouldn't know if gas were lit
royal vortex
go fuck urself
coarse birch
what if josho has screen effects turned off irl
i can see his reaction to his screen no longer shaking
north sedge
Old meme
coarse birch
when evis was ASS
patent patrol
Evis was ass?
coarse birch
yeah
drifting wolf
yes
patent patrol
I thought it was always good.
patent patrol
or at least solid
frozen glen
doodoo dunderhead evis
patent patrol
and now all of em are good lol.
coarse birch
there was a time where you ran like caxe on zealot or you were gimping yourself
p bad
patent patrol
there was a time where you ran like caxe on zealot or you were gimping yourself
caxe? which one is that?
coarse birch
combat axe
patent patrol
oh.
patent patrol
I never ran combat axe lmao.
median steeple
all the chain weapons were awful for a good bit
WRONG only people weak in faith were unable to use them, thats why the insane among us used them
south folio
back in the days when 90% of weapons were poopoo
frozen glen
me running ht deci antax pre patch 13
north sedge
It was caxe, hammer, hsword and then everything else
frozen glen
good times
south folio
videographic evidence of josho standing in fire https://streamable.com/xr7kc0
patent patrol
It was caxe, hammer, hsword and then everything else
I remember being told the Ironhelm was ASS for the longest time. I still used mine lol.
coarse birch
didnt hsword need a blessing change to be good or was HT/rampage always good
royal vortex
it was always good
south folio
hsword taking Ws
north sedge
Ironhelm was pretty lame yes
royal vortex
ironhelm used to have near 0 cleave damage on the special and hit less bps than crucis
patent patrol
Ironhelm was pretty lame yes
I still used it. And now it's actually good. Even if the moveset is weird to some, I love it
spare talon
joined mission
fail screen
90 plasteel
cool
whoever keeps leaving missions when theyre losing
i just want you to know
keep up the good work
my plasteel wallet thanks you
patent patrol
joined mission
fail screen
90 plasteel
felt that. I joined a mission where the entire team was down and I spawned in front of like 5 crushers. Apparently I got sent in MOMENTS before the mission was gonna fail.
I somehow clutched that
Lol.
spare talon
felt that. I joined a mission where the entire team was down and I spawned in fr...
no it was literally loading screen fail screen
spare talon
ive had it happen probably 30+ times
patent patrol
also have the servers been fucked recently or is that just me?
cause I swear I'm getting disconnected a lot more after the recent patch
Like, I originally wouldn't get disconnected unless my wifi decided to shit itself
but now I'm getting disconnected a good bit for no reason
and being forced to rejoin the mission from character select lol
spiral anvil
Seems like the same as before, but yesterday I had a game that just failed and booted everyone back to the main menu
Probably like 1/6 games have some sort of issue
median steeple
holy fuck it's like watching an incoming train crash
dense field
polar nexus
it was always good
i remember the hsword being reworked just after the beta
polar nexus
videographic evidence of josho standing in fire https://streamable.com/xr7kc0
that was impressive, i didn't know you were a clutcher
south folio
the knife compelled me
now i am part of the "had to solo clutch with a knife in a premade" group
royal vortex
welcome to the club
south folio
thank u
frozen glen
lots of problems that couldve been avoided had he not used a knife
patent patrol
80 plasteel
lmao
south folio
lots of problems that couldve been avoided had he not used a knife
looking at that clip makes me so sad because it's a momentum build AND i wasn't fully aware of how early you could release knife heavies
and that was also where i thought the mk3 had more to it besides just heavy spamming
royal vortex
if arco didnt have a knife i wouldn't've stood in fire
south folio
you see me trying to be cool by doing the l3 stab
south folio
if arco didnt have a knife i wouldn't've stood in fire
u bitncuh
frozen glen
isnt there some weird mk3 tech with the punch>light spam
south folio
ye, though that was nerfed recently and it seems to be basically the same as just spamming heavies after the nerf
royal vortex
the only weird tech that matters is one shotting muties with an achlys
south folio
you're weird
royal vortex
i know
polar nexus
you see me trying to be cool by doing the l3 stab
how do you access the l3 easily?
south folio
only from l2 and h2 sadly
there does exist a loop with h2 -> l3 -> h2 -> l3, but at that point you can also just spam heavies
polar nexus
T_T
south folio
people were saying that the knife was a high skill weapon so i thought there would be some interesting combos that you needed to do to make the most of it
and i was saddened
polar nexus
spam flesherate
royal vortex
u have to hit heads in melee which is incredibly hard if u are the average darktide player
or ren
who aims his crusher at the feet of heretics
south folio
owo
polar nexus
i wish i could reliably spam h1 on mk6
frozen glen
i use my crusher strikedown aimed at the feet of enemies so the angle of the crusher passes through the entire hitbox of the enemies maximizing my dps
frozen glen
i wish i could reliably spam h1 on mk6
u just block cancel
frozen glen
been a while since u stereotyped
polar nexus
not related but yesterday i discovered i could stack multiple time decapitator with bm
i went from 2 to 5 in one swing
icy ice
so isn't the emperor a psyker also? why do zealots call other psykers freaks? shouldn't they be kinder against them?
polar nexus
i was like.... hmm interesting
royal vortex
been a while since u stereotyped
wtf
polar nexus
so isn't the emperor a psyker also? why do zealots call other psykers freaks? sh...
because the emperor is seen as a divinity and the psykers as abhumans
visual stream
Ironhelm was pretty lame yes
Three (3) maximum cleave targets with the special. Ooh yeah. 😎
polar nexus
ironhelm has a shorter stunlock right?
fair igloo
wait if the emperor is a psyker wouldn't that basically mean that psykers are closer to priests than zealots are?... and if the emperor is a psyker where does their magic faith power come from??? are they just overreligious psykers that don't have to deal w/ peril because of their zeal??
delicate shadow
well it all comes from the warp
delicate shadow
I cannot confirm
royal vortex
you have failed me for the last time
delicate shadow
this is the first time smh
royal vortex
exactly
delicate shadow
royal vortex
i hope they make it so you have to individually purchase each penance before being able to complete it
delicate shadow
lmao that'd be icing on the cake
royal vortex
fair igloo
well it all comes from the warp
wait so that means that zealots are like semi-psykers? or does being able to use the warp not just instantly make them a psyker
delicate shadow
psykers have a stronger connection to the warp via mutations iirc
but technically speaking the warp is a very emotionally connected type of thing and humans feed into that
so having enough faith™️ can result in manifesting magical shit from the warp
ripe quest
people were saying that the knife was a high skill weapon so i thought there wou...
Mk VI is somewhat fun for this.
delicate shadow
like saint celestine is effectively a daemon of the emperor, for example
royal vortex
the mk6 would be cooler if the lights on it werent all the shitty slashes
drowsy steppe
people were saying that the knife was a high skill weapon so i thought there wou...
so relatable wifi
delicate shadow
though my understanding of 40k lore is exceptionally pedestrian so take it with a grain of salt
also people saying knife is a big brain weapon are coping
royal vortex
mk6 is fun on an exe stance vet build with no extra melee toughness regen
because u have to be somewhat careful or u get bullied by dumb shit
delicate shadow
yea on vet I could see it requiring some brain
on zealot absolutely not tho lmao
for some reason the bar is so low in DT that anything requiring a single neuron more commitment than rashad is considered big brain somehow
royal vortex
😔
a lot of stuff atm is easy just by the virtue of how much CC is readily available for classes baseline
vet shout actively sucks the fun out of the game for me because u just survive dumb stuff
for no cost
polar nexus
wait if the emperor is a psyker wouldn't that basically mean that psykers are cl...
priests do not usually have powers
you got 2 possibilities: they have latent warp powers or a miracle happened
sharp zodiac
polar nexus
like how some sister from the sororitas became saint like figures
and by a miracle i mean, either the emperor or people faith in them infused them with powers
polar nexus
https://tenor.com/view/the-universe-tim-and-eric-mind-blown-mind-blown-meme-mind...
wait, you can activate power swords?????
polar nexus
oh shit captain August already answered