who's that?
#zealot-class
nimble fiber
hushed knoll
Imagine using thammer and not embracing chain sword
nimble fiber
I could only find tractors
hushed knoll
who's that?
A brand of spices
nimble fiber
aaah gotcha
nimble fiber
haven't really tried the hammers or the chainswords yet cause crusher way too fun
left iron
2.5 mil well spent
ember yew
lusty turtle
left iron
This is why
left iron
lusty turtle
ew flak
left iron
calm salmon
yeah that was me, and I was sleeping. Good morning.
and no, I didn't include Delight in Destruction
royal vortex
<:peepoHappy:1182750608126648421>
72% pen
calm salmon
which is another 60%(Multiplicative) DR on top of everything else - assuming there's 10 bleeding enemies near ogryn
royal vortex
19%.
left iron
LMAO
royal vortex
and its defences
frozen glen
the og cope hammer
calm salmon
Considering how strong ogryn's weapons are now though, the only way you're going to reliably proc DiD is with power maul, or a zealot with lacerate or some shit
lusty turtle
yeah that was me, and I was sleeping. Good morning.
this is why we should remove ogryn
calm salmon
this is why we should remove ogryn
please don't
lusty turtle
its the only way
calm salmon
he has the best designed guns 
lusty turtle
im not sorry
lusty turtle
i mean, in the power fantasy way aswell
calm salmon
DAKKADAKKADAKKA
lusty turtle
ogryn does have the best weapons in the game atm generally speaking
vestal spade
ogryn doesnt have plasma though
oak ermine
I don’t know why, but I have a Deja vu of this conversation you two are having
And I feel like I’m the missing element to closing it once and for all
lusty turtle
I don’t know why, but I have a Deja vu of this conversation you two are having
because i want ogryn to blow up
lusty turtle
91% dr having mfs still dying first in my lobbies 
oak ermine
Heretics’ wounds don’t even cauterise
calm salmon
I don’t know why, but I have a Deja vu of this conversation you two are having
Ah, its just that ogryn is OP
If you get someone competent at the game its even more boring than a vet existing.
vestal spade
91% dr having mfs still dying first in my lobbies <a:AmeliaSMHHD:854361805233193...
thats coz most ogryn players either RP as or actually have room temp IQ 
royal vortex
90% of pub ogryn players suffer a concussion minutes before queueing for a match
calm salmon
He really does just suck the fun out of the game if someone good is at the wheel of ogryn's brain hamster
He's definitely in need of some nerfs.
Wish I could find my math breakdown though
royal vortex
ogryn needs some of the stats deflated and more actual options for active defense
calm salmon
here we go
oak ermine
Why not make some use of Wounds, why not make Heavy Hitter benefit from you say, expending stamina for super-charged heavy blows
royal vortex
you can count on i think one hand the amount of optional cool stuff you can do
across the entire ogryn kit
and one of them is fucking POWERMAUL tech
calm salmon
ogryn needs some of the stats deflated and more actual options for active defens...
DiD is interesting
but its reliant on wet noodle weapons
which is uh
also not great
royal vortex
it is interesting in the sense that it is a flat stat buff that only requires opting in to one of the strongest melee talents
(it isn't)
calm salmon
No, I mean the underlying idea
Attack enemies
get defense
Its just "Lol you get bleed to do it, and the best way to do that is with thunderous"
so it just makes bleed a massive problem
lusty turtle
it also theoretically stacks well with the bleed on charge and vet nades
lusty turtle
synergistic, in the most rudimentary of terms, but still an interesting concept
calm salmon
because ogryn weapons just outright kill everything else
Ergo: reliant on wet noodle weapons
which is also incredibly unfun
calm salmon
tbf, rumbler doesn't
unless you spend like 20 ammo a fight
and most ogryns just move enemies around instead of aiming at where the enemies were staggered to
royal vortex
rumbler is inherently more conditional just because the specific setups you have to do rely on enemy positioning
ofc u just queue for scab melee only with a surv vet and hit the gunlugger button every 20 seconds
lusty turtle
buuut enemies like to group up a lot so that positioning isn't rare
royal vortex
it actually is relative to the aoe of the blast
royal vortex
you do it a handful of times per game which means outside of scab melee only it isn't nearly as oppressive as kickback
calm salmon
And is reliant on survivalist vet because of the lack of ammo
royal vortex
if you fire ~6 rumbler nades at clusters of elites chances are like 3 are doing the heavy lifting
calm salmon
mostly rumbler is just a frustration tool - moves enemies behind melee players which is infuriating
I want to hold enemies at a choke point, not them getting pushed behind me by explosives
royal vortex
positioning is for chumps
i hit random movement keys so the enemy cannot know where i am going
calm salmon
rumbler is like the least of the problem's with his kit
royal vortex
the ideal world is one where they give the kickback the rumbler ammo pool
calm salmon
the lack of interesting design choices in the tree, mediocre power level of melee weapons without those buffs(Mk4 cleaver aside)
lusty turtle
ye if they want it to stay at its current power it needs to be limited
royal vortex
the lack of interesting design choices in the tree, mediocre power level of mele...
the way u make an ogryn weapon is to give it shitty stats and then +50%-ish damage from the tree (more with crunch) and thrust
so interesting
calm salmon
the lack of interesting design choices in the tree, mediocre power level of mele...
Why has the power maul gone unbuffed and unchanged for over a year.
Why do the mk1 and mk2 clubs still have light attack damage of combat knives.
royal vortex
paul has attacks with single target min cleave on like every armor type
it is deranged
calm salmon
Brutal Momentum is dumb and I refuse to talk about shield until that blessing is removed
but its a weapon that's riding explicitly on one blessing
ember yew
calm salmon
the light attacks are the same damage profile as mk3b club now
so they should be good
but they're like 40% slower than the mk3b
so they just end up unuseable
quaint verge
Doorframe slam 
royal vortex
the l3/l4 on the shield are also just worse attacks in every way than the l1/l2
calm salmon
yeah, more "interesting" design choices
I think l3/l4 are uncapped though
I think. I'd need to double check.
royal vortex
h1 is single target oriented but has 13 cleave so its like y bother
calm salmon
Which is why they have lower damage.
royal vortex
no they also have lower cleave damage
royal vortex
i think the shield could be fairly interesting if it was a weapon oriented around stagger and skullcrusher utilization like the current iteration of the crusher
where certain moveset chains rewarded you more for knowing stagger animations to get value etc
calm salmon
make it so heavy 2 knocks crushers onto the floor
royal vortex
but the lights are terrible and the h2 is so bizarrely designed
lusty turtle
i think the shield could be fairly interesting if it was a weapon oriented aroun...
that and the PA could be given finesse
but thats illegal for ogryn
royal vortex
the single target rotation for shield should be h1 push attack
calm salmon
yeah I don't understand ogryn's philosophy there
bad crit multis, bad headshot multis
royal vortex
the h1 has good block chain times (compared to other ogryn weapons) why is it used just for block canceling
calm salmon
on. . . everything
it just makes no sense
the only reason we ever run crit is for achlys stubber
because it gives you like 120 flak damage instead of 66
royal vortex
burst limiter override is terribly designed and the crit node literally exists just for charmed reload
frosty herald
royal vortex
which is bizarre
oak ermine
burst limiter override is terribly designed and the crit node literally exists j...
Flechette Ripper also uses it somewhat well
royal vortex
crab has a suggestion of breaking weapons down into finesse archetypes, so some get more of the curve's bonus from crit or weakspot instead of the current split
and u could just
south folio
it turns out that precognition is only marginally better than uncanny strike (assuming that it's up all the time and on a crit weakspot)
this is so sad
royal vortex
make ogryn's finesse interactions largely more crit dependent
because randomly deciding to hit a dude harder is incredibly stupid which is ogryn af
ember yew
it turns out that precognition is only marginally better than uncanny strike (as...
i hate 2 sec precog anyway
south folio
the riposte + precog dream is joever
calm salmon
I HATE ogryn being so boring
Can you do something about rippers too
I know, you're not a dev, just a tester
ember yew
why one thing is 2 secs, another thing is 3 secs and another is 6 secs
calm salmon
so best case scenario nothing happens
I just want a higher effective range than 8 meters on my rippers
south folio
math-wise the value of precog and riposte are the same if you do it by a simple effect * uptime comparison
and the way the weakspot/crit stuff works makes this math easy
precog does have higher value if you have it up all the time, though crit ultimately has nonlinear scaling on zealot because of the existence of scourge which means that crits enable more crits, and then there are BPs to mind
oak ermine
why one thing is 2 secs, another thing is 3 secs and another is 6 secs
Speculation, but, the way FS decided to balance these is to make consistent effects, like WS damage increases, have short duration, and unpredictable effects, like crits, on a longer duration
ember yew
Speculation, but, the way FS decided to balance these is to make consistent effe...
they could at least match the timing with duelist
royal vortex
they could at least match the timing with duelist
true. they do need to nerf duellist to 2 seconds
calm salmon
this is why I play ogryn
south folio
and remove +crit damage from it
calm salmon
no big brain talks about uptime
south folio
why tf is it giving both weakspot and crit damage
south folio
duellist improving my chainsword clear by a good margin is a very "funny" interaction
cursive crypt
I feel like for most of these comparisons on dps and similar, isn't it still more important to look at the different breakpoints they provide (except for monstrosities) since even a 20% increase in damage wont do any difference if the amount of attacks are the same
south folio
+100% crit weakspot on a weapon that doesn't have any finesse falloff with targets hit
south folio
I feel like for most of these comparisons on dps and similar, isn't it still mor...
sure but then there's complicating factors like uptime
in which case I simply consider uncanny strike to be the best just because of that
in my mind, there's no competition so I'm not going to bother testing BPs anyways
and having to also factor in the probability of critting and not critting
cursive crypt
I did do some testing however, and for most things the breakpoints dont change much on the dagger, I may have missed some interaction with uncanny not sure but for all I tested it's the same amount of hits most of the time, uncanny wins somewhat more often against crushers since you dont crit all the time, but against most other things its more or less no big difference as far as I saw
drifting wolf
just me and muh gun
simple as
calm salmon
I feel like for most of these comparisons on dps and similar, isn't it still mor...
me when I put +10% elites on my plasma gun and it changes zero breakpoints on any enemy in the game.
lusty turtle
I just want a higher effective range than 8 meters on my rippers
i wouldn't know what to do with them tbh but i can always give em a look, i've personally never felt like they were bad tho tbh. they def feel off atm with kickback being so dominant tho
south folio
was the testing you did between
- [(uncanny & mercy killer) VS (fleshtearer & mercy killer)]
or was it - [(fleshtearer & uncanny) VS (fleshtearer & mercy killer)]?
calm salmon
i wouldn't know what to do with them tbh but i can always give em a look, i've p...
Just tighten up the shot grouping so that more pellets are landing on target at longer ranges
Not a huge change, in the grand scheme of things. It just makes them more reliable guns, instead of being hallway clearers.
oak ermine
i wouldn't know what to do with them tbh but i can always give em a look, i've p...
One of the problems is that there’s literally no reason to use any Ripper Mk other than 5
calm salmon
Yeah, and that's the other issue.
Mk5 has the best damage at any range other than point blank.
oak ermine
You can use Mk2 for Flechette build, but that doesn’t build into the strengths of the weapon at all, if just changes its role completely
calm salmon
And the mk5 has recoil issues where its impossible to get fast follow up shots
its okay on regular damnation, I'll admit.
Where a wave of specials is uh
4?
and Hi-Int STG is 8
oak ermine
its okay on regular damnation, I'll admit.
It’s also very OK on Auric
calm salmon
I dunno. I find myself getting swamped by specials on auric with the mk5
because the recoil is just so bad
oak ermine
It just isn’t Kickback, is the problem, I think, and how stupid ammo economy is with Scavenger
calm salmon
That said, rippers have the best feel when it comes to just shooting a gun in a vacuum.
cursive crypt
was the testing you did between
* [(uncanny & mercy killer) VS (fleshtearer & m...
actually, uncanny/riposte, fleshtearer/mercy, and fleshtearer/precog. Important to note that I cannot trigger the precog or riposte without installing mods I cant be bothered to install, so essentially, uncanny vs fleshtearer/mercy vs fleshtearer
calm salmon
I actually feel like an ogryn
the effect on target being that of an ogryn though is just feelsbadman
cursive crypt
so mercy killer makes no noticable difference in breakpoints, and against trash it is redundant, today I learned
calm salmon
Sure, ogryn shouldn't have the precision of Exe Stance veteran(Sideeyes the achlys) but it doesn't feel great not being able to kill a single scab stalker at 15 meters without wasting a bunch of ammo
oak ermine
Ripper Mk5 description is ironic, because it mentions an experiment with making pellets in a ripper more packed, so that Ogryns could engage enemies at longer distances, and further it failed, because Ogryn’s character wouldn’t allow them to engage punies at long range
And it’s the only Ripper variant that doesn’t seem terrible to use from the get go
royal vortex
they added them back in p17
oak ermine
I have 1700 hours and I didn't know this
They were just recently re-introduced into weapon inspect cards, due to community feedback
oak ermine
So you haven’t been missing out for long
calm salmon
needed a break from darktide
not from salt this time
just. . .
I've done everything there is.
Mostly just waiting on a balance patch at this point.
south folio
now's a good time to see if putting +elite on my knife actually put me past a BP or not
south folio
i'm prob going to enjoy darktide for as long as it lasts
i already enjoy it in the overpowered ass state that we currently are in and i can't wait for balance stuff to come
oak ermine
The game is still plenty fun for me, especially if I try to deviate from the usual play styles or concentrate on perfecting them
cursive crypt
now's a good time to see if putting +elite on my knife actually put me past a BP...
that could do something alright, but if i recall correctly it only gives effectively 6 or 7% due to dmg reductions, might be wrong here tho, just have a vague memory of reading about that
south folio
prob just mixed it up with something
there's nothing that'll reduce the effectiveness of +elite damage
besides diminishing returns if we're talking in relative improvements from stacking another source of +elite damage like from psyker's aura or if you're a vet
calm salmon
The game is still plenty fun for me, especially if I try to deviate from the usu...
Like I said, 1700 hours.
That's. . . a lot.
cursive crypt
I had a longer break from it a while back, but I just really enjoy the game loop tho, and I know that I end up in shitty situations mostly due to some bad desicions on my part, but that is part of what I find enjoyable, learning from my misstakes
calm salmon
No surprise I'm at the point where I'm waiting for a fresh product.
cursive crypt
prob just mixed it up with something
there's nothing that'll reduce the effectiv...
you might be right here yeah
calm salmon
Yeah, I'm not actually salty with the game this time around, unlike my break last year during the great ogryn purge
between may and august or thereabouts
south folio
+elites does let me reach a crit-weakspot one-shot on dreg gunners if duellist is up
calm salmon
I've just experienced everything darktide has to give me, and gotten as good as I care to at it.
south folio
i thought it let me reach a BP on shotgunners it seems i'm wrong on that
cursive crypt
its something at least ^^
calm salmon
i thought it let me reach a BP on shotgunners it seems i'm wrong on that
25% damage perks need to be rebalanced
though, all of the weapon perks could use a rebalance in one degree or another
cursive crypt
now is that worth it vs whatever it is you are not picking instead tho?
calm salmon
Kinda feels bad to look at +10% elites and know that its just worse than +25% flak on basically everything
south folio
yeah i'd like them to throw out the current perk system entirely and make some of the current blessings "perks" and keep some other blessings "blessings"
cuz straight up numerical buffs are boring and also who wants to do bp testing with the possible permutations
frozen glen
u
cursive crypt
also me apparently
south folio
+elite damage (with +carapace) does let me reach a Duellist crit weakspot + weakspot 2-shot on maulers
frozen glen
rebders
south folio
oh well that's good enough for me and i don't want to test other perks
+elites and +carapace it is
cursive crypt
hey that's pretty neat still, dedicated to kill the elites, in an instant
south folio
yeah is nice
duellist letting my chainsword one-shot dreg shotgunners with a PA
just as god intended
ember yew
yeah i'd like them to throw out the current perk system entirely and make some o...
Swift Slaying
but we can use the parry blessing here
just without counter so devil claw still has its niche
fading vale
yup
fading vale
they call psword OP and then do this, I can't believe it
royal vortex
i wish the achlys got a bit more love
its a bizarre weapon with a lot of weird oddities that just make it feel bad
the horizontal h1 has less cleave than the strikedowns
like you can never make it hit more than 1 target unless you have bm
but it has boosted 2nd target damage you will NEVER activate
obtuse stirrup
Sounds like an unintentionally broken weapon like old Rashad
obtuse stirrup
Antax was mostly untouched since release besides the bromentum change
And it's still good
royal vortex
i can name you a significantly larger of quantity of weapons that released in a bad to terrible state than ones that released in a good one
drowsy steppe
they call psword OP and then do this, I can't believe it
they should just delete psword altogether 
royal vortex
why does the achlys have both strikedown heavies and lights
fading vale
the only reason the Rashad was bad was because the hitbox just didn't work
royal vortex
u had to look at the sky
fading vale
now it's nearly an exact clone of antax just.... better
royal vortex
hmmm
what could u do with the achlys
i think this should be like THE push attack focused axe
also the main defining difference for the horizontal h1 vs the strikedowns is its better into maniac worse into flak
fading vale
the HD2 devs seem kind of based
everything they say and do just kind of makes sense
and comes across well
fading vale
I still want my Michelin man armor to tank more damage though
fading vale
Hi stan
hushed knoll
Josho
fading vale
Josie
fading vale
yeah that and people might think you are a girl
royal vortex
why are you so ableist
hushed knoll
That’s rude
fading vale
and a hyena
royal vortex
i have to find out how to bribe the combat team lead at fatshark
fading vale
I'm sure that's what he wears daily while gaming
royal vortex
i will finance the achlys rework
frosty herald
sweets
hushed knoll
Jorts are illegal in all 50 states and Puerto Rico
royal vortex
Can’t you not wear sweats in the south
frosty herald
rules are meant to be broken
ember yew
went to check all combat and tactical axes (aside from rashad ofc), nothing worth using, the only one i liked is atrox mk4 tactical and even that thing loses hard to any of two knifes
royal vortex
u didnt sleep
hushed knoll
u didnt sleep
I tossed and turned the whole night
royal vortex
i only slept 3 hours
frosty herald
josho just uhh
hushed knoll
What about basket weaving
frosty herald
sleep
hushed knoll
His name is Motts
drifting wolf
potion seller
royal vortex
this act of kindness will be remembered
left iron
hushed knoll
Hello Ice
frank night
hushed knoll
I missed ice
frank night
Pee pressure
hushed knoll
You’re telling me to be better?
frank night
Hurrhurr
drifting wolf
bee batter
royal vortex
hello kentucky
hushed knoll
Pee pressure
If a friend forces you to walk out onto a dock it’s called pier pressure
fading vale
I was looking for a josho quote but instead got lost in the sauce of a thousand old stan screenshots
royal vortex
lmao
hushed knoll
Oh lord
fading vale
there are so many
hushed knoll
You mean the ones you photoshop to slander me
fading vale
yes I took the time to photoshop at least 200 quotes of you
hushed knoll
Empires have fallen because of less
fading vale
ow cat step on ribs
now imagine Steve doing it
fading vale
Stehe
hushed knoll
Stehe means stand in German lol
frozen glen
steve would decimate my ribs into dust
royal vortex
when are we helldiving again stan
fading vale
that's why I have extra padding
hushed knoll
that's why I have extra padding
Are you saying you’re dummy thicc
hushed knoll
when are we helldiving again stan
Soon
frosty herald
i also wanna helldive
royal vortex
ur a premium warbonds
placid fiber
Are you saying you’re dummy thicc
Stan, stop hitting on Lazorr
royal vortex
plural
placid fiber
frozen glen
thanks u joshos
hushed knoll
Josho please dontnplaubsithnyiur foot
frosty herald
im cracked with the autocannon
frozen glen
I want the new arc shotgun
hushed knoll
Don’t plaunwirhntournoofd
royal vortex
Josho please dontnplaubsithnyiur foot
..?
frosty herald
good dammit
hushed knoll
Don’t play with your food
royal vortex
why are you telling me this
hushed knoll
Fucking bandaid bro
frosty herald
plaunwirhntournoofd
hushed knoll
ur a premium warbonds
This
fading vale
let's see if I can recreate anything similar
fading vale
Josho don't oapldntbkqodjwoosbtbks
frank night
This
hushed knoll
Rekt
hushed knoll
That’s up to you
frank night
Nibble by nibble
frozen glen
premium warbonds are food
royal vortex
do you think i am going to eat redverse stan
hushed knoll
Rome wasn’t built in a day
frozen glen
I am going to dine on the arc shotgun
royal vortex
are you fucking high
hushed knoll
John I am making bed angels
placid fiber
Stan is on one, but, that's normal...
placid fiber
Jimmy?
royal vortex
John.
hushed knoll
No
placid fiber
You don't like subs?
fading vale
when are we gonna have a halo season 2 watch party
royal vortex
when are we gonna have a halo season 2 watch party
when my bitch ex wife stops making me pay child support
placid fiber
Jimmy John xD
drowsy steppe
alpfgm,asdimfas0MFWS
frozen glen
why did u decide to have a kid with a bitch ex wife
are u the typical 40 year old southerner
frank night
when my bitch ex wife stops making me pay child support
Arcotash
royal vortex
why did u decide to have a kid with a bitch ex wife
at one point they were neither a bitch nor ex wife
placid fiber
I put a collar and leash on my sandwiches
I mean if that's all you're doing to your subs, then I'm glad
fading vale
Jimmy John xD
my only complaint is on the spicy east coast Italian or the other similar one the meat and cheese like to slide out
royal vortex
the story of the downfall of western civilization
fading vale
so you need like, an eating strategy for it
frozen glen
the Jimmy John's meta
worldly nebula
so you need like, an eating strategy for it
Squish that sub
placid fiber
my only complaint is on the spicy east coast Italian or the other similar one th...
Yeah, sometimes the meat on our subs tries to slide out... That's why all u gotta do is back hand it to show it who's boss
frozen glen
the gamers out here are minmaxing subs 😭😭😭😭
drifting wolf
what
fading vale
Squish that sub
it's already pretty dense so
hushed knoll
my only complaint is on the spicy east coast Italian or the other similar one th...
I hate it when the meat slides out
worldly nebula
Especially when you get them all oiled up, yeah the meat really slips out of my subs then
sharp vector
Melk did good for once
placid fiber
I hate it when the meat slides out
Just use your tongue a- You know what... I'm not gonna finish that sentence...
hushed knoll
Especially when you get them all oiled up, yeah the meat really slips out of my ...
Oh are we still talking about sandwiches
fading vale
ok next topic
royal vortex
bad stan
hushed knoll
Just use your tongue a- You know what... I'm not gonna finish that sentence...
No please go ahead
coarse birch
stan what did i just walk in on
hushed knoll
I love getting sprayed in summer
desert bough
https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-mouth-open-orange-ohmygodcat-gif-17568478110113...
Ulgo was scared was going to see worse. Accidentaly clicked zealot chat
fading vale
Stan please stop
desert bough
Nevermind
placid fiber
Ulgo was scared was going to see worse. Accidentaly clicked zealot chat
Don't worry it's just Stan.
fading vale
so the Achlys
placid fiber
Yeah best axe in the game right?
desert bough
Ulgo Krourk fan.
drowsy steppe
h1 spamming meta
royal vortex
i think u could do some cool stuff with the achlys if it didnt have redundant moveset parts
worldly nebula
I just don’t like how the Achlys looks. I like how the Rashad looks…
royal vortex
the h1 needs a bump to like 4 cleave-ish
hushed knoll
How can I? You gotta buy me dinner first.
👀
frosty herald
Who wants to kill 25 hunters and 15 devestators with me <333
hushed knoll
Stan please stop
Why do you hate me
royal vortex
the push attack needs to be significantly better
fading vale
you were going off the rails too far
royal vortex
and then u gotta decide what to do with the single target parts of the moveset to make it flow a lil better cuz rn its just strange
placid fiber
Why do you hate me
Because you haven't named me yet? :3
fading vale
I don't hate you
hushed knoll
You’re literally punching me and kicking me and pulling my hair
frank night
We just want u to be better
fading vale
STOP
worldly nebula
No, keep going. You’re fine Stan
placid fiber
You’re beating me up
I'm gonna start calling stan "Egg Babe" if he keeps that up >.>'
placid fiber
You're beating this conversation into a fine scrambled stew x.x
worldly nebula
Ketchup and curry powder is my go-to for scrambled eggs
hushed knoll
You're beating this conversation into a fine scrambled stew x.x
What
hushed knoll
Ketchup and curry powder is my go-to for scrambled eggs
SLAY
worldly nebula
That’s… about as far as I can follow in Stan’s culinary footsteps. He truly explores and thrives in the unknown wilds of food
placid fiber
Ooo, curry powder sounds interesting on scrambled eggs
drifting wolf
that sounds painful
royal vortex
@fading vale a godroll achlys caxe with thrust/marty/desperation/SA/flakiac one shots both ragers
on the h1
placid fiber
like a whole coat of pepper
Then again I do that to my subs for myself from work, with oregano
fading vale
amazing
royal vortex
the stuff of legends
hushed knoll
I usually just douse them in pepper
Black pepper?
fading vale
imagine relying on every buff in the game for breakpoints
royal vortex
its called SKILL
fading vale
and one that requires 0 stan
hushed knoll
I’m glad you Stan me
placid fiber
Black pepper?
I mean... yeah
hushed knoll
Everyone should
south folio
imagine relying on every buff in the game for breakpoints
it's just that shrimple
fading vale
lol I'm not editing that
hushed knoll
lol I'm not editing that
😌
You’re learning
One day I hope to make the perfect Creme brûlée
south folio
we should strive to have 0 stan
placid fiber
we should strive to have 0 stan
No, no, I think we should all start mixing a bit o' Stan in our lives.
😉
worldly nebula
You can’t handle Stan? Sounds like a you problem to me
fading vale
I used to have a roommate that tried to cook creme brulee for a girl like 1000 times as a pickup thing, it was weird
hushed knoll
PREACH
hushed knoll
I used to have a roommate that tried to cook creme brulee for a girl like 1000 t...
lol
She must have gotten so much weird cream
fading vale
she said no every time
hollow flare
I felt a disturbance, of course its Stan
hollow flare
coarse birch
stan are you ok
coarse birch
bro
placid fiber
Unless he starts making culinary masterpieces, we don't need to worry
hushed knoll
I always confuse you
royal vortex
u have a doppelganger
coarse birch
theres no more ROOM
placid fiber
in hell?
royal vortex
@south folio boot up the game and tell me if the achlys has a faster chain time to the next attack after a push attack
immediately
south folio
hushed knoll
Cats can’t twerk
royal vortex
u cant twerk
south folio
you sicken me
royal vortex
white boy
frozen glen
is this what a married couple looks like
frozen glen
they hop on DT to test stuff for their partner
south folio
they hop on DT to test stuff for their partner
binch
it sounds insane that the achlys would have a faster chain time to the next attack but then again there are stranger things
placid fiber
Welp my cat has found her throne
royal vortex
i cannot tell if i am a visionary or on drugs
frozen glen
like the netflix show
placid fiber
royal vortex
it looks like it does for the same reason the crusher does
where it skips part of the initial animation
south folio
just eyeballing it i'm holding it shorter than if i'm just starting up the h1 cold
royal vortex
that would be really cool if the achlys push attack did something useful
south folio
the other two axes also have this for PA -> light
iirc
lemme see if i remember correctly
placid fiber
I'm not sure Stan was the best thing to wake up to, but, what a morning already xD
south folio
nvm it seems to be the same
hushed knoll
Clearly you haven't tried hard enough
What
placid fiber
hushed knoll
I'm not sure Stan was the best thing to wake up to, but, what a morning already ...
😠
placid fiber
I'm just a bit out of it right now lol
I need more pancakes with ketchup on them or something
frosty herald
Ustotu is lost
placid fiber
I just haven't had any coffee yet this morning x.x
I'm starting to see how my managers feel, without that coffee in the morning...
frosty herald
Unlocked page 8 of the warbond
I found like 50 super credits in a trivial mission
Feels good
ripe quest
What's causing the crits to drop below a 25% damage boost?
ivory marlin
worldly nebula
They look real good
south folio
What's causing the crits to drop below a 25% damage boost?
good question
i'm guessing that the rending from crits is contributing to the 100% cap?
ivory marlin
They look real good
Thank you
south folio
either that or its surpassing 100% adms on a crit for unyielding and flak
ripe quest
Because if you have like a 1.5 adm vs. A 1.25 adm for example that's a 20% increase in damage instead of a 25 but at first glance it shouldn't be hitting that low
south folio
god please tell me that it's not that crits are making it surpass 100% adms
a numerical coincidence, i hope
a coincidence i hope
PLEASE
lusty turtle
god please tell me that it's not that crits are making it surpass 100% adms
it might be
south folio
i swear to god if this is how it works
lusty turtle
crits have inbuilt rending so part of your return is from that
ivory marlin
Guys stan hits yall hard
lusty turtle
you then lose it when u have uncanny cause u already have the damage
ivory marlin
He only fucked up 1 letter for me
south folio
GOD FUCKING DAMNIT
IT'S BECAUSE YOU GET >100% ADMS FROM CRITS
WHAT IS THIS BULLSHIT
there is no way that it lines up the numbers of 115%, 150%, and 175% adms this perfectly by sheer coincidence
tropic harbor
Good god you’re doing algebra for Darktide? That’s a new level of nerd
south folio
it truly is cringe pilled of me 😔
fading vale
is this wolfram alpha or whatever
south folio
nah it's desmos https://www.desmos.com/scientific
and flak still gets +0.3 crit damage against it even in these deranged circumstances
at least i finally know what the crit multi of knives is
and now i also know that the knife is one of the weapons where the weakspot and crit multis do differ
ivory marlin
https://tenor.com/view/ok-21st-century-humor-taha-korkmaz-gif-25248475
Argus thoughts on my new tech i showed you?
sharp zodiac
The bees are mating season
ivory marlin
I stole my friend’s railgun for that clip btw
sterile stone
Thief
stone fern
does flamer count as a bullet for up close and personal?
ivory marlin
Thats why he looks so confused
ivory marlin
I got like 2 more hours til maint finishes
Wanna helldive?
sharp zodiac
NOO ARGUS DONT DO IT
ivory marlin
Im hoping on rn
ivory marlin
hop on hd2
sterile stone
I'm on HD2
ivory marlin
good
sterile stone
It doesn't show you online
ivory marlin
i invited you
sterile stone
Failed to join
bitter anvil
1000kg bomb when
ivory marlin
Failed to join
cuz i joined you
ivory marlin
Wtf just happened
hushed knoll
@frosty herald are you playing with us
frosty herald
Im playing with josho and derpy
hushed knoll
And me
frosty herald
Oh nice
hushed knoll
Blu fang is me
bitter anvil
Running heavy armor is a style
sterile stone
It's a lifestyle choice I won't lie
fading vale
I tried running heavy armor
and then bots just insta killed me anyways
so I said nope
frosty herald
I like it
sterile stone
https://tenor.com/view/soldier-dancing-bomb-mines-gun-gif-15503838
I need more shiny armor
fading vale
it didn't seem to do anything at all
polar nexus
IT'S BECAUSE YOU GET >100% ADMS FROM CRITS
So uncanny is redundant if you crit?
fading vale
So uncanny is redundant if you crit?
no
just a bit less damage increase than expected
well, on heavies
bitter anvil
and then bots just insta killed me anyways
You got headshot anyway
south folio
yeah reduced benefit on crits though still beneficial
bitter anvil
Helmet do nothing
south folio
e.g., this is the ratio of (with uncanny strike)/(without uncanny strike) on non-crit hits
but this is the ratio of (with uncanny strike)/(without uncanny strike) on critical hits
fading vale
yeah there is still something weird feeling about limb damage and what not, being insta killed or headshot whatever when you look like the Michelin man with heavy armor and extra padding just feels wrong
sterile stone
e.g., this is the ratio of (with uncanny strike)/(without uncanny strike) on non...
Dear friend
ivory marlin
I like light armor too much
bitter anvil
Arrowhead should implement actual helmet protective
polar nexus
So you could go precog riposte and not cry
sterile stone
I like light armor too much
I swear I'm cursed
bitter anvil
I like light armor too much
Scout user
ivory marlin
I swear I'm cursed
How did you deal 380 dmg to me
south folio
So you could go precog riposte and not cry
gaming
fading vale
the light armor with extra padding has been feeling pretty solid
sterile stone
Extra padding looked like it only tanked a extra hit or two
ivory marlin
I run medic light
ivory marlin
Im perfectly sane
ivory marlin
Don’t worry its a 6
fading vale
another hit or two is enough for me to mash stim
sterile stone
Why is it everyone on my friends list hates the idea of allowing randoms to join us
bitter anvil
My friend is okay but he doesn’t like them extract early without sample farm
fading vale
My friend is okay but he doesn’t like them extract early without sample farm
simply be at the point where you don't need samples
bitter anvil
simply be at the point where you don't need samples
I only need them like plasteel once again
fading vale
and then you still pick them up but don't have to trek across the map and worry about it when you lose them or whatever
bitter anvil
Took about 13-more run get 60 common sample
fading vale
60 is like 3 or 4 runs without maxing
fading vale
the fuck are you and your friends doing
bitter anvil
My friend level 50 did explore look out sample
He just go explore and do side objective
fading vale
I rarely leave with less than 15 commons even when I'm not trying to max
but we do all the side objectives
unless low on reinforcements and need to leave
fading vale
you will never get enough common samples for supers to matter
bitter anvil
I don’t like those lock behind resources
fading vale
so it doesn't matter
bitter anvil
I brought donation access only already dislike getting look out more samples
fading vale
7s give you more than enough supers
bitter anvil
What was the name of 7 difficulty?
fading vale
idk
it's our default have fun and still be challenging while fucking around difficulty
bitter anvil
My friend and other his friend and random, me play high difficulty just trying farm sample
They trying to
fading vale
if you play HD2 for farming samples you are playing it wrong
fading vale
yes
fading vale
I mean I'm just going off what you are saying
"sample maxing on high diff is annoying"
and I'm telling you that you don't need to sample max on high diff
fading vale
you get 6 supers on 9
and 3 on 7
idk about 8
but that's really the only difference
bitter anvil
7 yes 3
fading vale
and supers don't matter
bitter anvil
It was cap 3 super sample
So is a 7 difficulty
We play on 7 difficulty
Because that’s what I remember super sample max cap at 3
fading vale
yeah imo 7 is the sweet spot but I haven't tried the new patch
that tunes down annoying heavy stuff
fading vale
on terminids now I just bring mech and power fantasy all the bugs lol
and also have 500s for bile titans as needed
bitter anvil
Since I carry two machine gun and EAT and one turret
One for me and one for my friend
I rarely use EAT we keep moving constantly
fading vale
if you rarely use them then you should try a recoiless
bitter anvil
I means the YouTuber explain is bad solo recoil with carry backpack
fading vale
well
bitter anvil
But good with team reload
fading vale
people seem to think you need to run another backpack like shield
but you don't
I never run shield or whatever
bitter anvil
My friend run shield
north sedge
Recoiless is faster with team reload but doable solo
lofty hemlock
Helloooo I need help with my stealth zealot. Got a revlolver and I wann know if I should take it or keep the old one
This is my revlolver rn
calm salmon
and also have 500s for bile titans as needed
Primary Weapon: SG-225 Breaker, Breaker Spray and Pray, Defender, Liberator
Secondary Weapon: Machine Pistol
Stratagems: Recoilless Rifle, Eagle Airstrike, Eagle Clusterbomb, Orbital Airburst
That's what I run on helldive bugs
lofty hemlock
This is the new one
calm salmon
extracts are still a clusterfuck of 15-20 chargers and 5 bile titans
but uh
You can win now
so that's nice
frosty herald
Recoiles is cracked
calm salmon
eh
lofty hemlock
I'd replace speedload with hand canon and ranged damage for groaners Idk
calm salmon
only kinda
Its really hard to say its S-Tier with that reload time
and how badly implemented team reloading is
bitter anvil
I'd replace speedload with hand canon and ranged damage for groaners Idk
Carapace?
fading vale
This is the new one
speedload to hand cannon and groaners to uh, flak I guess
calm salmon
I'd put it in uh. . . high B-Tier for the time being, but that's pretty much where all of the AT is right now so meh
fading vale
or maniac
calm salmon
Bug specific, I should say - bots anything works.
bitter anvil
Is it better than unyielding?
Dealing more damage to carapace crusher head
calm salmon
You can run the Autocannon as your primary against bots and only "suffer" against tanks
lofty hemlock
speedload to hand cannon and groaners to uh, flak I guess
I mean revolvers are one hitting flak already anyway, right?
bitter anvil
I mean revolvers are one hitting flak already anyway, right?
Ye
north sedge
Recoiless is much better than that
fading vale
I mean revolvers are one hitting flak already anyway, right?
maulers and flak ragers not really, also helps with a couple other BPs
bitter anvil
You can run the Autocannon as your primary against bots and only "suffer" agains...
Can it penetrate again scout?
calm salmon
Yes.
bitter anvil
Cool
bitter anvil
I dislike scout a bit
lofty hemlock
maulers and flak ragers not really, also helps with a couple other BPs
Yea but if I take Carapace I can just headshot maulers to death
calm salmon
and from the front too
lofty hemlock
And that one shot more for flak ragers Idk
calm salmon
the only ones it can't are tanks and cannon turrets
fading vale
Yea but if I take Carapace I can just headshot maulers to death
IIRC it's still less damage than body shotting a mauler
calm salmon
but that's why God Super Earth invented the orbital railcannon
lofty hemlock
IIRC it's still less damage than body shotting a mauler
Hmmm
bitter anvil
Carapace or flak that’s up to you
fading vale
it also helps when you don't crit but
lofty hemlock
Well I'll just take flak and if I notice I can't deal with crushers anymore I'll switch it
calm salmon
Well I'll just take flak and if I notice I can't deal with crushers anymore I'll...
that's what the crusher is for
I'm assuming we're talking about zealot
lofty hemlock
Yep
calm salmon
Revolver/Crusher as your ranged/melee
fading vale
idk I just run flak maniac and obliterate everything with zarona and don't particularly care about shooting crushers
with anoint of course
calm salmon
Revolver and throwing knives for ranged elites/specials
crusher for crushers, bulwarks, and general melee work
and then make decisions for ragers depending on the situation at hand
melee/ranged works on them circumstances depending
fading vale
AC can kill every bot in the game
the hulk head is a bit annoying to hit but yeah it can 2 shot them
bitter anvil
@lofty hemlock If you have melee like combat axes or Eviscerator you can deal crusher finely
calm salmon
the hulk head is a bit annoying to hit but yeah it can 2 shot them
if only prone removed vertical recoil
fading vale
plus you can always F and shoot crushers
calm salmon
makes sense that the AC would kick like a bitch standing up
lofty hemlock
<@618569560072781825> If you have melee like combat axes or Eviscerator you can ...
I run a knife revolver zealot
calm salmon
but at least let me brace it correctly when prone
fading vale
if only prone removed vertical recoil
it just feels like sometimes when I shoot their head it doesn't hit their head
I think crab mentioned something about sights being a little wonky
calm salmon
almost all of the sights are misaligned
Its easier to just say all of them are but that's not explicitly correct
most of the red dots are aligned correctly
(Jar-5's isn't)
fading vale
I find I usually have to aim a little higher or something
bitter anvil
The aiming system try take realism hard to kill on moving target (like heavy weapon has slow sway)
south folio
If it's knife then yeah you can deal with carapace plenty fine
bitter anvil
Is that AC scope?
calm salmon
Anti-Material Rifle
bitter anvil
Huh
calm salmon
but I wouldn't be surprised if the AC has the same problem
I'll try to pay attention more to it the next time I use one
fading vale
The aiming system try take realism hard to kill on moving target (like heavy wea...
it's not the aiming system its actual bugged sights
calm salmon
but I don't normally use it cause I don't fight bots all that often
I have 50k bug kills and 8k bot kills
fading vale
I like AC on bugs too, idk I just get the dopamine from going boom with it
fading vale
but I don't particularly care about optimizing helldivers, not that kind of game for me
bitter anvil
it's not the aiming system its actual bugged sights
I meant the mechanic where you move camera your gun reticle drag along and is not arcade shooter where camera crosshair to shoot
drifting wolf
i like a mix of effectiveness and just using what's fun
fading vale
fuck I've even brought mines to bugs recently cause it's funny
ivory marlin
@sterile stone all of those accidentals were accidents
calm salmon
Imagine not using air burst
depends on the loadout
ivory marlin
SUURRREEEE
My fucking morter
sterile stone
depends on the loadout
fading vale
and I like watching josho run into my mines
calm salmon
I mean, say:
Grenade Launcher/B-1 Supply Pack
you don't need the orbital airburst
Eagle 500kg and Orbital Railcannon on that kit selection does better
sterile stone
I hard disagree
bitter anvil
and I like watching josho run into my mines
Try drop nearby him trapping him with mines
It see funny
sterile stone
Grenade launcher isn't getting me a 64 kill chain combo
fading vale
I threw mines on top of his gear after he died lol
sterile stone
Air burst also can kill BTs
ivory marlin
Autocannon is and will always be my beloved
sterile stone
GL can't as far as I'm awre of
calm salmon
Air burst also can kill BTs
Only if they're actively leaving the bug breach - which is a bug
because an impact grenade kills them there
sterile stone
That's not true
calm salmon
or if their top armor is removed
sterile stone
I've dead ass had a BT follow me last match
And I've killed it by kiting it around a rock
fading vale
I've been bringing lascannon to bots, is fun and the sound is nice
until a rocket hits you in the face but
sterile stone
There's suppose to be a upgraded version of it
fading vale
whatever
bitter anvil
That rocket hit you like bolter
sterile stone
The mech is fun to use
fading vale
the mech is amazing
sterile stone
Just can't go crazy with wasting ammo
ivory marlin
i cant wait till explosive dmr
fading vale
bring mech + the default call in and be in a mech the whole game lol
bitter anvil
When you shoot missile very close range: 💥💀🔥
ivory marlin
Explosive dmg is such a gimick on guns I swear
it looks yummy so idc
ivory marlin
i only had 4 accidentals
calm salmon
bring mech + the default call in and be in a mech the whole game lol
default call-in got removed with today's patch
no more 3 mechs a match per person
fading vale
until it aggros bots and makes them call dropships
ivory marlin
guys i think im in love with the sparrow piolet and im convinced she wants me too /j
sterile stone
until it aggros bots and makes them call dropships
calm salmon
the mech is useless against bots anyway
fading vale
what
calm salmon
one rocket to the cockpit kills it