zealot-class

[little thicket]

The crit keystone will increase the chance significantly

[ember yew]

lacerate is more like for momentum node

[polar nexus]

even without...

[ember yew]

and insane atkspd

[fading vale]

even without piety you will crit half the time

and you can still hit heads

[ember yew]

i have played i think maybe like 50 games with both mk3 and mk6 during last week, FT/Lacerate + US and without and so far settled with mk6 with FT/Uncanny, i like push attack of mk6 and FT proven to be useful in dangerous niche situations

[little thicket]

So knife has a base of 15% and 5% from zealot base.

[ember yew]

main reason i prefer FT over lacerate is that i push stab the head and on crit i get the bleed

[little thicket]

Scourge can proc for 10% more that stacks 3 times but its inreliable

[ember yew]

lacerate is more for leisure light spam

its reliable on knife since you wont kill most stuff on 1 hit

[polar nexus]

you forgot chastise

[ember yew]

and chastice spam on knife is like the usual stuff

[polar nexus]

you forgot the fact that you'll hit so often that 20% crit chance will make you crits quite fast then scourge then more crits

boom max stacks

[fading vale]

you never want anything that incentivizes not hitting heads

absolute waste of time

a single headshot will do more damage than 4 bleed stacks ever will

[little thicket]

The problem with that line of thinking is assuming things in a vaccum

Headshots wont always be guaranteed

I dont care if you are a god at the game there still are situations where headshots wont happen

[ember yew]

16 stacks of bleed is not a joke and it takes 2 crits to reach it

when you swap targets

[delicate shadow]

thing is FT is better than lacerate straight up and you have to have uncanny

[ember yew]

that works especially well

[fading vale]

imagine using a knife and not hitting heads 90% of the time

literally just aim at the head

[little thicket]

Again its a vacuum example

[delicate shadow]

like there's zero reason to use lacerate even if you enjoy bleed because FT does it better to begin with

[polar nexus]

flesh tearer does not rely on headshots

[little thicket]

If you think that you hit heads 90% of the time then sure

[fading vale]

also what keet said

flesh tearer doesnt care where you hit

[ember yew]

more like lacerate punishes you for headshot hits, i dont like that

[polar nexus]

on a boss, it's harder, i'll rely more on flesh tearer, precog

or riposte

but on everything else? you just have to aim in front of you

i suggest using the crosshair mod btw

[little thicket]

Im not really looking to anyways improve my zealot.

[polar nexus]

having a crosshair in melee instead of the tiny point is waaaayy better to improve your aim and correct your posititioning

[little thicket]

I already feel busted enough as zealot

Zealot is ludicrously op.

[polar nexus]

compared to?

plasma shout vet?

[little thicket]

Any class

[fading vale]

zealot is ludicrously OP

[polar nexus]

void psyker?

[fading vale]

what

[polar nexus]

ogryn?

[fading vale]

the entirety of ogryn

[little thicket]

Mobility is op in the game

I know y’all don’t use mobility to its full usage

[fading vale]

[polar nexus]

stop with the tannering

[little thicket]

But i don’t constrain myself mentally in that regard

[polar nexus]

i am a high mobility enjoyer

i use regen stam 24 to 36% even

[little thicket]

Then you arent the average joe atleast in this chat

[polar nexus]

and i am mobile with every class

except ogryn :/

oh wait i can charge every 20s or so

[delicate shadow]

every class is op tbh

[fading vale]

every class has some OP things

and a lot of recently changed or added weapons are OP

CDR abuse is OP universally

[little thicket]

Yes but from my perspective the most interesting thing is to look at results

And with that i mean looking at results in actual toughest situations in the game

[ember yew]

considering what psykers can abuse (no ammo limit) and ogryns survivability (and damage)

[little thicket]

And zealot happens to dominate in that category

[ember yew]

zealot to me seems balanced

[little thicket]

The category is clutching, true solo

[fading vale]

my brother in christ you are calling zealot OP over "clutching true solo" with a fucking lacerate knife, like come on

[little thicket]

I dont get it

Elaborate

What is your point

[delicate shadow]

I don't think zealot clutches necessarily any better than other classes, they all have clutch tools

some builds are definitely worse at it but that's true of zealot also

[fading vale]

I will refrain from elaborating because you don't get it and I'm just going to be a dick and we aren't gonna see eye to eye so will leave it at that

[little thicket]

Im probably not your average joe trying to claim lacerate is good in this case.

[polar nexus]

you can clutch with every class

and true soloing too

it has been done

[little thicket]

Alright then

Then which class has the highest amount in that category?

[polar nexus]

jsat does it with psyker, vet and zealot

[little thicket]

Jsat does it in normal, low int damn

[polar nexus]

that was as a baseline

he did hisg

[little thicket]

Recently?

[delicate shadow]

I wouldn't use solo as a good measure of how good things are in 4 player considering most solo play is just running away from shit

[fading vale]

ogryn is hands down the most overpowered class that just turns off the whole game

and yeah solo is mostly just running away

[ashen pecan]

is true solo modified to make the director treat it as 4 people too? or just the reduced difficulty 1 player remaining director mode

[little thicket]

It treats the game as normal but for 1 player

[delicate shadow]

I'm like 99.99% certain the game doesn't adjust based on number of players in the match

[polar nexus]

not since p13 i think

[ashen pecan]

i'm pretty sure it does, atl east reading the code for pacing

[polar nexus]

dot nl did a solo mael as a psyker

[ashen pecan]

there's specific coding for players alive and spawn directions

additionally zealot will always be top tier in solo mode because of loner

[little thicket]

Ye i saw that one

The main problem will now be finding anything beyond that game

[delicate shadow]

I've never noticed anything in game indicating the ai director changes much based on how many people are alive or in-lobby

[ashen pecan]

the intensity of the game is significantly less when there's one player remaining

[fading vale]

idk the game I want to play involves like, engaging in all of the forms of combat and killing things

[ashen pecan]

dunno if you read lua but check the pacing settings for the game

[delicate shadow]

I read lua but I'm just saying in actual matches I've never noticed it if it's actually a thing

[ashen pecan]

anecdotally, i definitely have so...

[polar nexus]

https://www.youtube.com/@jay-brodi7953/videos he does solo too

[little thicket]

Thats fine, but i dont think you can look at actual balance when your comparing the balance in a scenario tailored for you.

[fading vale]

watching solos was a similar thing in helldivers it's just running away, using a bubble shield, etc

it's not really playing the game

[ashen pecan]

kiting simulator, just boring tbh

[delicate shadow]

Josho spent a good while trying to do 100% pacifist runs lol

[little thicket]

Really ogryn being the best means that ogryn suits your prefered game-playstyle the best.

[fading vale]

no ogryn is actually blatantly OP and I hate it

they get like 90% DR for free

[polar nexus]

everything is bigger with ogryns

[ashen pecan]

pretty sure ogryn is the strongest archetype because of fnp, you can make a billion mistakes and who cares

[polar nexus]

even the balls

i mean the nades

[ashen pecan]

crusher overhead? yeah it did like 10hp

burster? didn't break my toughness 0 corruption dmg

[fading vale]

and every heavy swing is 25% toughness regen so like

you can't die

unless you get disabled

[ashen pecan]

some of ogryn weapons are incredibly overtuned too

[delicate shadow]

Ogryn shovels 1 shotting multiple crushers

[ashen pecan]

not to say this isn't untrue of zealot

[fading vale]

you can abuse marty survivability hard

or crit CDR

[frozen glen]

[ashen pecan]

you can reach similar levels of dr with martyr since it's additive

[fading vale]

but outside of that on zealot I would say not OP

[delicate shadow]

god every time someone says Martyrdom is a "high risk, high reward" thing I throw up in my mouth a little

it could not be lower risk

[fading vale]

you don't even need fnp on ogryn to have insane survivability

[ashen pecan]

yeah but fnp is the nail in the coffin

[fading vale]

you get 66% TDR literally for free

[ashen pecan]

it's basically godmode

[fading vale]

for 0 investment

[ashen pecan]

excuse u 1 point investment

[little thicket]

Is that with the bleed DR?

[ashen pecan]

reckon ogryn tree needs just more points in general

[fading vale]

it's the minor nodes plus fnp or whatever, I don't know exactly

[little thicket]

Because the basepoimt with 30% toughness dr, feel no pain would be 71%

[fading vale]

they have a base of 36% TDR

from being an ogryn

[little thicket]

Im aware

[fading vale]

so 66% with minor nodes

[little thicket]

The 36 is multiplicative

The rest are additive

[delicate shadow]

they really do need to just make all DR multiplicative

the additive stacking is silly

[ashen pecan]

idc about ogryns not dying

[fading vale]

I forget who but I was corrected by some ogryn saying 91% was the DR with fnp and I don't know if they included bleed

[ashen pecan]

they have fucking insane damage too

[little thicket]

Agreed if nothing else for how much i hate how stupid it is to have arbitiary differnences

[fading vale]

perhaps it was puri

which while I don't trust a lot of things he says

he is usually correct about stats

@calm salmon

probably asleep

[little thicket]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3094034467

This says which ones are additive DR, which ones are multiplicative

[fading vale]

I know all the minor nodes are additive and usually everything else is multi

[little thicket]

The math would be 1-((1-0.25-0.1-0.1-0.1)*(1-0.36)) with 3 10% toughness damage reduction and fnp

Thats 71%

[sterile basalt]

Additive DR are only stacking with itself like 5% toughness dmg reduction travel nodes

[fading vale]

even if it's 71 that's still bonkers

ogryns out here tanking sniper shots without a care in the world

doesn't even go through their toughness

[ashen pecan]

might need curios for no dmg through toughness

[fading vale]

not sure how many

[ashen pecan]

the td multiplier on sniper shots is insane

[fading vale]

but I know josho just walks through snipers

they do 1250 toughness damage, or was it 1225

and to be able to tank that is something that should never exist

not to mention how quickly you can regen toughness

[polar nexus]

I mean... Shout over shield...

[fading vale]

well

overshield is it's own discussion

perhaps it could reduce bleed through

instead of being immune

[sterile basalt]

VoC has a cooldown (probably needs to be higher too) but is placed on a class with not the best TDR

[ashen pecan]

i swear vet has insane tdr

[sterile basalt]

Veteran TDR is stringed by close order/exhilarating takedown and iron will

[fading vale]

yeah vet has good TDR

Iron will is quite strong

[sterile basalt]

The moment u lose iron will you start running into problems

That’s the caveat to it

[ashen pecan]

no that's when u press shout

[polar nexus]

I remember when nobody was taking iron will

[delicate shadow]

Vet is pretty unkillable

[polar nexus]

I was like. Guys you have no idea what's Dr

[little thicket]

I dont hold grudges against veteran in general as a class to much right now

[fading vale]

look what happened with old vet when they had perma 75% TDR, you could literally just crab walk through the game and take 0 damage

[little thicket]

Atleast in the skill tree

[sterile basalt]

Vet with a toughness refill ability + iron will is a lot more durable but if u take smth like exe stance you’re much more vulnerable

[little thicket]

Plasma might be abit bonkers in what it does.

Colomnus is just colomnus

[fading vale]

do vets still have uh, what was it, toughness on elite kill

[little thicket]

Yes

[sterile basalt]

10%

[bitter anvil]

I love unwavering fire after pop out volley fire

And commando style with sustained fire

[sterile basalt]

You get 20% over 10s but the immediate gain is 10%

[fading vale]

and is it still a stacking buff

[sterile basalt]

Stacks 6 times

[fading vale]

yeah that's still ridiculous

[little thicket]

Veteran has more gated toughness regen then other classes

So their sources tend to be better then other classes

[fading vale]

everything is a bit overtuned

[little thicket]

Ex psyker has easy ones at the top

[bitter anvil]

Psyker get ability refresh fast on elite or special kill

And aura too

[fading vale]

second wind is too strong but it's like, what else are you gonna take

[sterile basalt]

Psyker has almost no cooldown

[fading vale]

Marty with BFTE and restoring faith, might as well turn the game off

[sterile basalt]

6 warp charges + psykinetic’s aura + seer’s presence

You can have -85% ability cooldown

[little thicket]

Hypothetically

[sterile basalt]

Without any curio stuff

[fading vale]

crit CDR oh wow I can chastise every 2 seconds

[little thicket]

Hard to maintain that many stacks while spamming nonstop

[sterile basalt]

Yea practically it’s closer to smth like 50% less cooldown

[little thicket]

Balance wise im mostly personally ok with where psyker is right now

Its an actual glass cannon

[fading vale]

except for void, trauma, and ds4

and soulblaze

[little thicket]

A glass cannon needs to have its cannon

Otherwise its just glass

[fading vale]

decent psykers are not glass

[little thicket]

No but thats the part of being decent

[fading vale]

sure pubs can melt to 2 bruisers but

oh also assail

[little thicket]

And being decent wont change the fact that a misstep as psyker is going to be a down pretty often

[polar nexus]

I think zealot has a bit too much toughness on command

[south folio]

being glass doesn't matter when you have an absurd amount of CC as psyker

and when your class has a bunch of options to avoid going into melee

[polar nexus]

They should either nerf second wind or remove the tg from chastise

It's like a do it all

[fading vale]

toughness on chastise is fine without cooldown

reduction

[little thicket]

P13 butchered melee psyker

[polar nexus]

Hmm, ok. I'll accept that

[fading vale]

they should also nerf second wind

[south folio]

15% toughness on a 0.5s icd OwO

[polar nexus]

7.5%

[south folio]

yeah 7.5% or 5%

[polar nexus]

Or a longer cooldown

[fading vale]

vicious isn't a super compelling toughness generator

but it's not bad

[polar nexus]

I purposely take Crit CDR instead

[sterile basalt]

Vicious offering is weapon dependent

[fading vale]

just nobody wants to go stuns anymore

[sterile basalt]

It’s very cracked with a few weapons and not that great on some other weapons

[polar nexus]

And nobody knows how to deal with crushers without plasma

[sterile basalt]

That’s just bad players in general

[little thicket]

Throwing knives are actually extremely op

Id rate them as the best blitz in the game

[fading vale]

I don't really get the throwing knife love outside of 1 shotting ragers

[polar nexus]

They should lower the count

[ashen pecan]

i think op is a reach

[little thicket]

Literary just kills every special without ever pulling out a ranged weapon

[ashen pecan]

they're aight

[sterile basalt]

Veteran has a ton of options to fight crushers, plasma isn’t even in the upper tier picks for it unless it’s scab melee maelstrom

[fading vale]

vets damage is way overtuned

[polar nexus]

I know I know. The last time I saw a vet without plasma it was a Krak user

[south folio]

i don't consider them OP but they supplement builds with bolter/flamer and are an option that can be generated for free

[sterile basalt]

Krak is also worse than frag in like 90% situations

[south folio]

also 12 knives is way too much

cut that shit down to 6 for starters

[polar nexus]

So true

[fading vale]

a vet could pick nearly any weapon and obliterate almost anything with it

[polar nexus]

Agree

[fading vale]

cause the weakspot and crit scaling

[sterile basalt]

What

[little thicket]

Well 1 throwing knife is enough to kill any special, they can even be used to kill crushers with uncanny

[fading vale]

and the base damage buff

[little thicket]

They also are good vs ragers if getting overwhelmed

[fading vale]

but I guess you don't even need to run exe on anything anymore

[little thicket]

Its an incredibly versatile blitz ability.

[south folio]

yeah knives are stronger than they should be

but not OP

[little thicket]

I know atleast when im not playing zealot its among the parts i miss the most as other classes.

Espically as psyker

Screw the psykers blitz abilities

[fading vale]

how much damage do vets get from the tree now, genuinely have no clue, but every vet clip and what not I see they just do an ungodly amount

[south folio]

though psyker isn't missing out on reactivity or making things safe for a period of time to snipe specials

unless you're just referring to having any dedicated single-target option that requires some modicum of precision

[sterile basalt]

15% elite
20% ogryn & boss
2x 5% ranged dmg nodes
1x 10% melee dmg node
1x 5% melee dmg node
30% weakspot
25% melee finesse + 10% melee crit chance
Longshot +1~20%
10% rending

These are the major ones

[south folio]

rather than the stupidly braindead weapons that psyker has

[little thicket]

I think psyker blitz abillties in their current state suck

[south folio]

in terms of balance, i consider smite and assail too strong

[sterile basalt]

I should also mention that some of these are crucial for certain weapon breakpoints

[south folio]

but smite is strong in a boring way and assail's shard count is too high

[sterile basalt]

You can’t pick all of them

[little thicket]

I dont even think assail is that good

Going that route losses out on psykinetics aura

[polar nexus]

i like knives but maybe the knives economy should be rethink\

[little thicket]

Powering up assail to its full potenial is a heavy point investment

[south folio]

not particularly

[nimble fiber]

[south folio]

you don't have to go out of your way to make assail strong

[fading vale]

so I assume you can get elite, ogryn/boss, the 2 ranged nodes, and weakspot, and maybe longshot

[polar nexus]

assail + dd good

[fading vale]

with deadshot?

[south folio]

there's no sideways pathing that you have to go to make assail strong

[sterile basalt]

Not every build plays deadshot

[ember yew]

and there's +40% scaling rending talent

[south folio]

DD/EP are cheaper than warp charges, and perfect timing/malefic momentum is down the right side

[ember yew]

basically 50% rending

[fading vale]

well you don't run deadshot on certain weapons sure

[ember yew]

for various spammy guns

[sterile basalt]

Onslaught is almost never worth it unless you’re trying to magdump crusher with infantry autogun

It has very small gains on ADM against anything that’s not a crusher

[little thicket]

EP is 3 points and the subtalents are 2 points

[south folio]

is the comparison keystoneless

[little thicket]

Any point investment into a blitz abillty will take away fron the rest of the build

[south folio]

sure and i don't like EP either, so i just run DD

[fading vale]

but also a lot of the clips I see are exe vets cause nobody needs shout, it's just a failsafe for pubs and what not

[south folio]

DD still benefits your other weapons

[little thicket]

DD is strong

Better then EP

[south folio]

and you're not going out of your way to go for DD

[little thicket]

EP is a trap keystone

[south folio]

(though you aren't going out of your way to get EP since warp rider is practically a must pick)

in terms of strength, i don't consider it a trap keystone for assail

[sterile basalt]

This is a very common route but it won’t leave you with that many points left for other things

[south folio]

it's just really fucking boring as well

[little thicket]

I dont believe assail spam is a particularly amazing build on psyker.

[fading vale]

TLDR when is fatshark going to do a global rebalance and how mad will people be

[little thicket]

Its good but not among my top 3

[sterile basalt]

It’s prob not going to happen

[south folio]

sure and i'm not here to declare it as one of the best

just that it's still good among the options that you have

and that the difference between taking EP and DD isn't that wide

[sterile basalt]

Prob smaller scale balance changes at most

[fading vale]

if fatshark decides they want this to be an arcade game then sure I guess but they need to decide, cause it's not an arcade game

[south folio]

prob just afraid to piss off the community at this point with nerfs

and frankly, i'd be at a crossroads on how i'd approach a balance change with a community like this

[fading vale]

bunch of pearl clutchers

[south folio]

in their position, i'd probably just say fuck it and give crushers 6k hp because this community doesn't deserve crushers with less hp

[ember yew]

imagine making players numbers even lower that this (since DT is back to it's lowest count pre-13 patch)

[sterile basalt]

Like, u can list every broken thing on all 4 classes rn

But the truth is the avg damnation QP player has no idea what you’re even talking abt

[ember yew]

im gonna enjoy 3k+ bleed on my mk6 knife

[little thicket]

Colomnus, colomnus, colomnus

[ember yew]

[south folio]

OwO

[ember yew]

do it

[fading vale]

it's not like they explain anything about the game and half of the tooltips are wrong....

[little thicket]

Colomnus manageing to become meta on every class its on

[sterile basalt]

And you can’t rly compare what’s broken on 1 class with another and complain the other class is “overtuned” because all 4 classes have those issues

Nerfing all 4 at the same time will just feel bad

[fading vale]

well they can't nerf without reworking enemies

[ember yew]

if they buff the rewards like 50%, it would be ok

[fading vale]

because the difficulty level right now is spam as much bullshit as possible

[sterile basalt]

U can say plasma vet and blaze trauma are broken but I can also say martyrdom Rashad +50% melee atk speed is also broken and both of us would be right

[south folio]

i suppose one of the approaches is to have a small balance change update in incremental patches and just write a manifesto describing the intended balance change and the end goal instead of leaving any room for speculation
just to placate the "small changes only" people

[fading vale]

BM should be deleted of course

Rashad is egregious

as is hsword

[ember yew]

i hope they wont go with ninja changes (nerfs), tho i dont really remember FS doing that

in 6+ years

[little thicket]

Its a waste of time to do that

The community will find out anyways

[south folio]

and it'd prob be worse in terms of reception

this community already can't handle minor nerfs that were outlined in the patch notes

[little thicket]

Everything is far too documented

[sterile basalt]

They won’t do that, but nerf is possible

Nerf it from 4 to 3 target maybe

[fading vale]

3 is still dumb

[south folio]

should be 2

[sterile basalt]

If nerf to 2, should buff base cleave of axes

[south folio]

it'd still be an obvious pick with 3
it needs to be 2 for me to ever consider picking the other melee weapons (besides the other ridiculously strong options)

and to put it in line with the other blessings

[fading vale]

chord is dead

[south folio]

so sad

voidstrike dead

assail dead

shot in their gravestones

[ember yew]

they will still receive the backlash in the form "IVE SPENT HALF OF MY LIVE ROLLING THIS RASHAD AND IT GOT YESTERDAY,WTF FS" and it will be pretty close to truth

so it's still a negative element sadly

[south folio]

yeah there's that aspect of the crafting system which is understandable

[fading vale]

they need a system to prevent weapon bricking when they make changes to blessings or something (outside of reworking crafting)

[ember yew]

and bm nerfs will affect heavy sword, which probably has more fans than rashad

at least HS can use rampage

[south folio]

good thing the heavy sword doesn't have other blessings that could still fill in that gap

or that the hsword isn't good at its base

[fading vale]

hsword is still great without deathblow

I mean they made it have inherent BM on heavies for 2 targets

it would still be one of the strongest weapons

not BM exactly cause it doesn't require a kill but whatever

[south folio]

i will commit great acts of violence against the kneecaps of anyone who will come into this chat to say that hsword is ruined if BM finally gets shot out the back

[fading vale]

I will stand with you

for democracy

[sterile basalt]

Heavy sword doesn’t even need BM to function properly

[frozen glen]

hsword was ruined pre patch 13 cuz it didnt have deathblow

😎

[sterile basalt]

Scourge + invocation + blazing piety already hard carries it

[little thicket]

I think the real dynamic here is going to straight up be a conflict of interest. People with 100 hours wont have the same opinion of the game as people with 1000.

[sterile basalt]

Deathblow just elevates it from “this is broken” to “I never thought it could be this broken”

[fading vale]

crit isn't really the most recommended thing for hsword

it's marty

[sterile basalt]

Both play fine

[ember yew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHLcYJxuVy8

[south folio]

i suppose we'll just spam clips of stuff being stupidly strong

[fading vale]

it's just strong enough that it doesn't really matter

[little thicket]

Recon omega op

Truzz me

Ah the beauties of veteran chat

[fading vale]

plus so many people would drop crit if crit CDR wasn't absolutely broken

not to mention 50% TDR

[south folio]

prob quite a few people who don't realize that crit dmg multipliers fall off the first initial targets for the overwhelming majority of melees though

swoosh noise goes brrr

[fading vale]

deathblow be like

and don't forget permanent 75% crit chance cause why not have super inflated numbers

[sterile basalt]

Plasma nerf uncharged cleave & ammo usage, buff charged ammo usage
BM/DB nerf to 2 targets, buff combat axe base cleave to 3 (achlys heavy 4 cleave)
VoC cooldown nerf to 40s, tac awareness nerf to 5s
Survivalist nerf to only work for melee elite/special kills
Blaze trauma idk where to even start
Ogryn nerf TDR
Zealot crit CDR nerf to have a limit of max 4 proc per swing

[drowsy steppe]

no damage fall off on the first 4 targets baby

[sterile basalt]

Smth like those

[fading vale]

4 per swing is still silly for CDR, 6 seconds per swing on 30s cooldown ability

[south folio]

the base aspects of trauma themselves need some handicapping

kneecap that shit

[sterile basalt]

For an intermediate change I think it’s alright, if it’s still too broken it can be adjusted from there

Not a fan of hard nerf in 1 go

[south folio]

i am because this game doesn't need that much CDR and especially for 1 talent pick

[ember yew]

or they can put a 0.5 sec CD on it, but it's much more harsher nerf for cleave crit cdr

[fading vale]

maybe they could make chastise not proc crit CDR if they still want to make it cleave

[sterile basalt]

Imma be honest I think innate cooldown for that would prob just feel unresponsive to play

[little thicket]

I would straight up remove swift certainty from the game

[ember yew]

probably

[sterile basalt]

I think these are fair changes tho

[little thicket]

Swift certainty is a massively problematic talent in what it does to the MS speed of zealots.

[fading vale]

I mean it's just a movespeed node

[ember yew]

it makes idiots die faster (or captured)

i like that node

[south folio]

i hate kiting in this game so i'm fine with annhilating all movespeed stuff

[little thicket]

Ye ontop of a class that already has 2 5% nodes and a base 4% movement speed

[south folio]

and stuff like knife/laspistol

[sterile basalt]

Would u nuke Psyker’s mettle then

[south folio]

absolutely

why does a good toughness regen talent also have a movespeed buff tied to it

[sterile basalt]

Based

[south folio]

should've been a separate node, and i hate movespeed and it shouldn't ever exist

[frozen glen]

delete assail so arco has to use bb or smite

[ember yew]

[south folio]

i'll kill you

[little thicket]

I dont think mettle is consistent enough to do much with it’s MS

[sterile basalt]

Depended on the weapon u pick

[south folio]

mettle can lead to very stupid interactions

[sterile basalt]

If u play surge staff it’s like almost always on

[south folio]

stuff like crit strings, though crit strings themselves need to be annihilated

[sterile basalt]

If u play gun psyker it’s also like almost always on

[south folio]

mettle has no ICD, so you can also just proc it on all enemies with trauma

[little thicket]

Ye but it’s reliant on actually scoring damage, attacking

[bitter anvil]

Gunker alarm

[little thicket]

Swift certainty meanwhile is passive

[south folio]

so you can spam that shit with trauma and get toughness for free in a wide area

sure but crits themselves are just probablistic and there's no real engagement with crits besides true aim

[little thicket]

Plus psyker genuinely just lacks alot of speed buffs outside mettle, scriers gaze.

And those are very temporary effects

[south folio]

though with mettle, you're getting the movespeed where it really matters, when enemies are around

[bitter anvil]

I run wannabe zealot psyker with mettle

Is fun

[south folio]

and for the toughness regen aspect of it, it's a non-kill conditional toughness regen talent which should all be handicapped in some way

[fading vale]

I just want them to lean into the good combat system they made and have to interact with it

that's like the whole attraction of the game

[sterile basalt]

As a gloryhunter plasma + born leader + target down enjoyer I approve

[ember yew]

wat

0.24%

someone's screenshot from reddit

[little thicket]

Understandable

[frozen glen]

the gamers arent gaming enough

[cursive crypt]

just play malice, I got it leveling the ogryn as a 2nd character

[little thicket]

Annoying penance

[south folio]

makes sense from a population perspective since console is also a (relatively) newer influx of players

I only got it recently cuz i was playing enduring faith until death zealot

[little thicket]

Who wants to farm malice missions for deathless runs on repeat

[ember yew]

fair enough

you could die from boringness

[oak ermine]

My friends and I did it while we were levelling our characters in the early days of DT

[sterile basalt]

With 3 shotgunner kills I can refill 90 toughness to a 120 toughness zealot

[south folio]

a legitimate concern when i was thinking about doing the penance on lower diffs and i said fuck it surely i will probablistically land on 10 games where I don't go down

[ember yew]

and it's definitely not affected by teammates

i remember a lot of dead people when i did this achievement in november

[little thicket]

I did it while mostly playing exclusively damnation.

Didnt feel like playing auric during that period

[south folio]

i've never gotten it until recently because i always die from the consequences of my own actions

and not playing absurd DR builds til now as zealot

[ember yew]

but did you enjoy dying when a random vet pops up a barrel

and you fly away

[fading vale]

even regular damnation is a snooze fest now

[ember yew]

popping all barrels since 2023

[south folio]

i make the gamer move of not playing hab dreyko, lowering the probability of ever dying to barrels by 900%

[little thicket]

I naturally begin to stay away from teammates at lower difficulties

They are a larger danger then the enemies are

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/penguin-gif-26385076

[bitter anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/bird-drinking-alcohol-thirsty-gif-27077648

[fading vale]

I'm sure catshark will deliver news this week that satisfies our concerns

[bitter anvil]

What if not?

[ember yew]

here's a new recolor

but we should get info this month i guess

[fading vale]

no we actually get news this week

[ember yew]

people are memeing

[south folio]

i'm reasonably optimistic for a new map since they teased a sewer map a long time ago

[frozen glen]

im glad they are deleting arco's account for tampering with the game

[south folio]

either that or it's coming next year

[ember yew]

making their playerbase drown in brown substance after waiting for so long

smart

[south folio]

you're a bastard

[ember yew]

[bitter anvil]

You got cyberbullied?

[south folio]

yeah Raft is being a big meanie poo booboo OwO

[fading vale]

personally I would love a new reskinned dogshit beta helmet

[bitter anvil]

🫂

[frozen glen]

Raft

[little thicket]

I just want new weapons

[bitter anvil]

New toy to play with

[south folio]

in terms of weapons, i strongly desire a 2h sword (evis doesn't count) and i will be satisfied for a year in that regard

[fading vale]

I just want weapons that are interesting to use

[south folio]

oh yeah a combo rework and balancing around weapon attack directions would be nice

they already did this with some weapons like the x13g so it's really just a matter of when

[polar nexus]

that thing is so fun lol

[fading vale]

they tried with the knife but power creep be like

[south folio]

give me a reward for using the obscurus l2

[little thicket]

Ye but so far they’ve dumbed down movesets rather then complicating them

[tropic pelican]

i kinda want to know what the stance system would've become before they scrapped it from vermintide 2

[frozen glen]

mk6 knife is fun

[ember yew]

as any brauto

[little thicket]

The old eviscerator for example had a ridiclous optimal combo

[oak ermine]

Hadron be cursed, but there it is:

[little thicket]

I dont even remember it anymore

[fading vale]

can we get things that you have to aim

instead of spam

[ember yew]

[drowsy steppe]

well well well

[fading vale]

and have downsides

[south folio]

we got stuff like the crusher so if crab and skele shout and thrash enough we'll get such rebalances in due time

[polar nexus]

should i change maniac to elites?

[ember yew]

no its fine, it doesnt matter either way

[little thicket]

I genuinely tend to just cheat the system anyways when they overcomplicate things

[drowsy steppe]

Fatshark on its way to create an engaging gunplay with an ammo economy that demands you dont overuse too much of your resources only to make a mechanic that completely invalidates the ammo economy

[little thicket]

Quickswap removes any complicated processes they want to apply

[ember yew]

"hides his survivalist pocket vet"

[fading vale]

you mentioned old evis but genuinely I think the moveset just feels bad and is annoying even if it requires combos

[south folio]

trajik

[little thicket]

Unless attacks deep in the weapon actually are good ex l3 or h3

[ember yew]

yeah, shet moveset that force you to improvise =/= good combos

[drowsy steppe]

I genuinely think old evis could do with a moveset makeover

[fading vale]

I genuinely agree

what if instead

all the lights were for spam

and the heavies were single target

and there was 0 interaction

[gray ice]

By god he's onto something

[south folio]

stuff like swapping out the mk4 chainsword's \diagonal heavy with the horizontal heavy

[lusty turtle]

🥹

[south folio]

not that the mk4 chainsword is one of the weapons that'll be particularly changed by this but just as an example

[ember yew]

is it time for mk15 memes

[south folio]

13g chord OwO

[gray ice]

I'm glad your profile pic stays the same skele

[fading vale]

good morning

[gray ice]

cuz by god if it changed like your name I'd never recognize you

[little thicket]

I cant wait till we get a fire sword in the game that i can h1 quickswap spam relentessly

[south folio]

OwO

[ember yew]

i want my plasma pistol and meltagun

[lusty turtle]

I just wish the light to heavy 2 chain was a bit smoother

[ember yew]

gimme warhammer'ish stuff

[lusty turtle]

Outside of that i like the old evis

[south folio]

a good ideea for an illisi rework OwO

[little thicket]

Thats literary the fire sword in vermintide

Terribly designed weapon

[south folio]

i saw gameplay of it and boy was seeing just a single attack be spammed "interesting"

[little thicket]

H1 is the only attack with high cleave, dot application.

[drowsy steppe]

what the f uck

[lusty turtle]

Anyone that attack cancels to cycle a single attack is wrong and stinky

[fading vale]

I forgot to turn the lights off but Steve has decided that it's time to sleep and I can't move so

[south folio]

so sad

now sir frat will starve to death

[drowsy steppe]

you let him control you

and now you cant do nothing

[little thicket]

Throw a roc at the light switch

[drowsy steppe]

[lusty turtle]

Thats an amazing way of describing it

[lusty turtle]

Mornin

[fading vale]

but I'm on my side and he is under my arm how could I not

[drowsy steppe]

OLD EVIS H1 WOO HOO

[south folio]

rabid dog rp when as part of your arguments??> it'll be really convincing

[lusty turtle]

I always have cycled h1 l2 l3 PA

[fading vale]

I would post the old evis H1 QQ meme but idk if skelly would like that

[south folio]

do it

[drowsy steppe]

I miss that meme

[ember yew]

⬆️

[fading vale]

plus I'd have to find an image from a year ago so

[south folio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1143882368818618398/image_1000010021.jpg?ex=65fad479&is=65e85f79&hm=0bc0c1e41a41b1e846715f16b892e96bb02a6856fc0b9a17c24fd1df3a5f9073&

[south folio]

slow ass

[drowsy steppe]

dammit arcowo beat me to it

shut up router

[south folio]

rather dehumanizing

[drowsy steppe]

how can I dehumanize an AI

[fading vale]

insert reddit post about Achlys heavy spam macro being meta abuse

ok goodnight

[south folio]

psyker force sword windmills

gnite

[lusty turtle]

Gnight laz

[drowsy steppe]

I will now look for this reddit post, if it even actually exist

gn

[lusty turtle]

Gonna remove obscuros nxt update

[drowsy steppe]

nct

[little thicket]

Ood

Oof

[south folio]

ood

[drowsy steppe]

ood

[little thicket]

I was the first one to mention h1 > qq on evis

[south folio]

bringing about the end times

[south folio]

coincidentally skele gets removed as mod next update
the sacrifices we make

[lusty turtle]

Sry arco, psyker must suffer so darktide can flourish

[south folio]

nb4 the sentiment is just "good riddance" to the obscurus being removed

which will probably be the case

[drowsy steppe]

I just remembered that the Obscurus exist

[stable cypress]

Nah I need obscurus around b/c I want random shitty obscurus users to pop up in my maelstrom games

[fresh sentinel]

what are you guys talking about, both force swords are very good

stop making up joke weapons, the name doesn't even sound real

i mean "obscurus"? may as well have called it unobtainium

[drowsy steppe]

Obscurus, more like obscured unreleased weapon

[fresh sentinel]

tbh im not sure what niche they could even give the obscurus? it's not like the force swords are in need of a middle ground when illisi is decent at single target and deimos is decent at horde clear

[stable cypress]

Give it infinite dodge

[south folio]

it does have a stab albeit as the l3
improve the l2 and reconsider giving the light/heavy stabs such a massive damage multiplier, so as to bring the deimos down

[little thicket]

Well stroking swords is fun, nice. I mean fighting enemies with power sticks is fun.

[inner cargo]

What's QQ

[little thicket]

Quickswap

[south folio]

also i hate the chainsword-like special it has so make it interesting in some way

[fresh sentinel]

ig they could give it a better special

[fresh sentinel]

something only done by degenerates

[inner cargo]

That's mk2 right?

[little thicket]

It stands for quickswapping two times

[south folio]

ye

the OG evis

[inner cargo]

Phew

I am safe

I use mk15

[coarse dagger]

I'M TIRED BUT I'M WINNING

[inner cargo]

Nothing better than some effective light spam

[little thicket]

Its the most optimal way to reset attack chains

[south folio]

a good portion of weapons having a cumbersome minimal hold timing for blocking 😔

[fresh sentinel]

least insane quad axe slayer be like

[inner cargo]

How do chainaxes even perform

[fresh sentinel]

idk about the new one but mk4 still works well in damn+

[little thicket]

Im pretty sure the new one is better then the old

[fresh sentinel]

if anything it apparently works even better than it used to

[little thicket]

This is just looking at it from a numerical viewpoint

[fresh sentinel]

not sure what was buffed ive kinda always used it

[little thicket]

The new one genuinely has more impressive attacks, breakpoints

[ashen pecan]

new one is insane

[lusty turtle]

New one hits funny one shot breakpoints, old one is safer to use

Swings n roundabouts

[ember yew]

anyone played rainbow six siege

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/766325874734661643/1217029208795254824/image.png?ex=660289c6&is=65f014c6&hm=9a7f8ec3c28189b5899ef6e4af7af27d1dbc16c3635a4ba84a17b527f8ce06b0&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=859&height=421

[frozen glen]

i play the one on the right

[ember yew]

if they make Siege characters with 120 pity again it would be cool

tho i got Ash within 50 + the rest

[inner cargo]

That's AI on the right isn't it

[frozen glen]

they should be in that banner no

[drowsy steppe]

I kinda want to

[ember yew]

no, that's Arknights Siege collab event, call it "adaptation"

[inner cargo]

Uh huh

At least Fuze isn't that much different

[ember yew]

he's like Tachanka

https://preview.redd.it/4nwxn33aokj61.jpg?width=1080&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=fe2290948a88c1798f54c2195a6e4a19e782cd25

original design intact

one of the funnyest part, when R6 collab released, all characters voices been in japanese, but R6 characters all been voiced by their original english voice actors

so it was 4 characters voiced in english at first and now the game is slowly moving to 4+ voice language options

[nimble fiber]

[south folio]

mk4 chainsword's push-attack guardbreaks bulwarks with a weakspot hit

very nice

[frozen glen]

my push attack will guardbreak u down the stairs

[south folio]

you're quite out for my blood aren't you

hngnghahgagfaughgb

[frozen glen]

if i was i'd use more nefarious methods

hadghhdsaghasghasg

[south folio]

sick bastard

hgnhnhaguhghh

[drowsy steppe]

You speak as if you have the MAN power to do that

[frank night]

[lusty turtle]

Ye the 2 normal chords have some good stuff, could maybe do with a nerf to the xiii lights tho to encourage pa>l2>h3 instead of spam

[wind pier]

whats the build for maximum dmg boss with kn ife and enshrouded?

i mean shroueldfield lol

dioiosodgsd

enshrouded is a game aint it

[boreal cedar]

isnt knife all about spamming light attack

is it even good at singular attacks

[wind pier]

well i dont know

there was a zealot with shroudfield who deleted bosses

so i wonder

[boreal cedar]

i do that with the hammer

[wind pier]

yea they werent using a hammer

[boreal cedar]

i deal like 80% of their hp

havent properly minmaxed

[boreal cedar]

are u sure it was shroudfield and not chastise the wicked

cuz i heard that works too

[wind pier]

Yes

[cursive crypt]

knife backstab does big dmg on bosses

shroudfield increases dmg by a lot

[boreal cedar]

i thought it was mostly to just spam lights to get an absurd ammount of bleed on it

[cursive crypt]

that works too

[wind pier]

yes maybe after you used the burst hit

[wind pier]

its just i did that and im als using the talent that increases backstab dmg

and the dmg still wasnt as high as that dude

i mean it was decent

does stacvking 5x rending before it works?

does rending helps a lot agaisnt bosses even

[boreal cedar]

isnt rending just armor pene

[wind pier]

well everything is an armor type in the game

[ember yew]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/254
you can install this mod

and look at the guy - his gear and stuff

just check "Previous missions" list in social and find him if you are interested

[south folio]

heavy spam for the most part for damage

at least on the mk3

idunno about the mk6 but just repeating the h1 h2 is the fastest you're going to get single-target damage out

[boreal cedar]

unarmored moment

[south folio]

on zealot, the amount of crit chance you can stack and the existence of duellist end up making the knife the equivalent of psyker's duelling sword

[sly mauve]

im kinda new zealot but i noticed the evis xv can perma stagger ragers on lights - or is this bound to some blessings?

[formal umbra]

if a zealot named Helper is here

Thank you.

[frozen glen]

ur welcome

[wind pier]

this thing any good?

[formal umbra]

thanks I was the dogshit vet

[cursive crypt]

low penetration

[polar nexus]

Put uncanny instead of mercy killer, it will help

[cursive crypt]

no haymaker is terriblke

[polar nexus]

And maniac / elite / flak / unyielding instead of Crit chance

[polar nexus]

It has been fixed

It's better on 6 tbh

It's from Melk.... Hmm maybe don't buy it if you don't have enough funds or any blessing to customize it

[cursive crypt]

still a terrible blessing, mercy killer on a bleed build will shred way more consistently, you dont want to heavy spam

also crit chance is not bad

[polar nexus]

Wait. It's not haymaker that was fixed but the power on weakspot hit

[polar nexus]

It's bad

Knife doesn't need crit chance considered the base Crit and that you'll probably use it in a Crit build

Mercy killer is not that good. You need the target to bleed for it to proce. So in the end that mean everything you won't 1 or 2 shot

[cursive crypt]

in that sense yeah, but if you wanna run it with Inexorable Judgement it makes a noticable difference, it's more situational, for a more general purpous one I agree

[polar nexus]

Uncanny + riposte / precog or even flesh tearer has more value

[polar nexus]

Even with inexorable judgement I'll take scourge tbh

[cursive crypt]

uncanny is mostly unneeded, since most things you attack wont be hit more than 3 or 4 times, there isnt many breakpoints you beat with it

[polar nexus]

And your crit average will be quite good.

What???!!

[cursive crypt]

what breakpoints do you get?

[polar nexus]

Do you realize that uncanny will just make the armor totally a non thing?

Like that's how you will 2 to 3 shot a crusher?

[cursive crypt]

I already do that

[ember yew]

and it's a buff that stays on the player, not a debuff, so it's like staying permanently as you fight in melee

[cursive crypt]

shroudfield oneshots

[polar nexus]

Wasting shroud on a crusher....

[south folio]

in the worst case scenario, uncanny strike is a +25% damage buff against flak/unyielding/maniac/carapace

[cursive crypt]

with crits its barely a notice

[polar nexus]

@fading vale 😦

[south folio]

it's moreso that you get to rack up more damage

having another source of a damage increase does not quite make another source of damage increase redundant

[ember yew]

basically its strongest damage boost you can get that does not require much effort to maintain

[cursive crypt]

it does if you have to choose between them

[south folio]

what blessings are you taking in its place?

[cursive crypt]

mercykiller fleshtearer

[polar nexus]

If it's precog riposte I can respect that

[cursive crypt]

with crits it just kills everything

[south folio]

i'll then argue that rending will also buff bleed up

[ember yew]

it is

[ivory marlin]

Good morning zealot chat

[south folio]

in addition, the weakspot damage contributed by mercy killer will be of a similar value to the damage given by uncanny strike

lemme check the math

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-confused-gif-7441776660901104597

[nimble fiber]

hello there silly muse

[ivory marlin]

Its like 4 am but i cant fall back asleep

[nimble fiber]

its 11am and I wanna fall asleep but cant lmao

[nimble fiber]

have u tried calming rain ambience sounds?

[ivory marlin]

I have my music i listen to

[wind pier]

whats the max bleed stacks an enemy can have in it

[ivory marlin]

Its the only white noise that i can sleep to

Uhhhhh

I think its like 7

But I haven’t touched the game in awhile

[nimble fiber]

damn I couldn't, I would probably jam to much and wouldn't be able to sleep

[ivory marlin]

My playlist is so fucking silly

[drowsy steppe]

Iirc it's 16

[ivory marlin]

No idea how i sleep to it

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7hER2OkLGggMUFsd8xDPRG?si=YN9Q77SATnORb69MYybWAQ&pi=u-b_kJFNprSfiA

[nimble fiber]

lol I mostly play random youTube videos

,,rat music" lol

[ivory marlin]

It used to be name sex playlist but my ex wasn’t a fan

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/skaven-dance-warhammer-fantasy-dancing-skaven-ratman-dance-gif-19349860

[ivory marlin]

This is me irl guys

[nimble fiber]

yeah I would definitely jam too much

[ivory marlin]

I’ve been listening to that playlist to help me sleep for the past 3-4 years

Probably longer actually

[nimble fiber]

can recommend dear winter by ajr, it would probably fit quite good

[polar nexus]

16 confirmed

[ivory marlin]

Ill give it a listen

I like it its sweet

[nimble fiber]

one of my favorite songs from them I think

[south folio]

the damage boost provided by uncanny strike

in addition, the existence of scourge means that you don't need to take a bleed blessing to proc mercy killer

[cursive crypt]

did casual testing with 2 daggers one with mercykiller and fleshtearer, one with uncanny, with max everything there is 1 hit difference to kill a crusher, so that is an actual breakpoint, assuming you have everything going that is,

[polar nexus]

We should pin that

[south folio]

also that math is making me consider taking precog over uncanny strike

since you can get up to 95% crit chance anyways with some other crit blessing

hmm

much to think about the numbers

though i'll be really sad if i get a smite psyker

if only precog was +weakspot and +crit damage separately so that i could get +220% crit weakspot damage

this is so sad

i'll have to content myself with +160% crit weakspot damage

[polar nexus]

Assuming duellist?

[south folio]

ye

oh wait fuck the relative value from precog is going to be diminished because of duellist

egads

[cursive crypt]

that is a thing I have thought about, and the added bleed on the dagger does bring the dmg ticks up quite a noticable ammount, question is if it actually passes relevant breakpoints tho, haven't looked into that just yet

[sly mauve]

i thought finesse dmg bad

[south folio]

stuff like +weakspot and +crit damage perks are bad because the calculation is not what you expect AND the value is low

e.g., both give +10% at t4

however, perks and blessings like duellist and precognition give that shit out on the scale of +50% and +60%

in addition, +crit and +weakspot damage combine on a crit weakspot hit

If you have +50% critical damage and +50% weakspot damage, that also translates into +100% crit weakspot damage

[sly mauve]

nice

yet uncanny is too gud to give up given the fact it helps vs flak and esp carapace, even unyielding. boosts bleed dmg etc

[south folio]

@frank night you will die

[left iron]

[royal vortex]

i have paid mittins too much for a single threat of death to stop him

[south folio]

i'm gonna check the math on how the value of precog and uncanny strike compares with duellist up to see if i can run this dream

[left iron]

Why would you wish death upon someone else Alcotash

[south folio]

don't call me alcotash

[left iron]

[frank night]

Alcietash

[south folio]

wtf is an alcie u stupid bith

[royal vortex]

altoids

[frank night]

He has stopped typing bitch so I cant screenshot the count

[hushed knoll]

Hi Motts

[hushed knoll]

Do you have a lisp

[royal vortex]

of course stan would choose the most morally repulsive to greet

wh

[south folio]

i will celebrate this small victory over you

[south folio]

WOW

[nimble fiber]

ayyy stan

[left iron]

[hushed knoll]

My typing isn’t foonsn be worse mucus I have a band aid

Because

[nimble fiber]

huh

[hushed knoll]

On my thumb

[hushed knoll]

Is going to be

STICKBUGS CANT dance

WTF cups

[nimble fiber]

oh no what happened stan?

[royal vortex]

you cannot correct the sentence backwards to how you typed it

try again stan

[hushed knoll]

Caps

[nimble fiber]

YES THEY CAN

[south folio]

where did this come out from wtf

[hushed knoll]

Hi ice omg ily

[south folio]

throwing shade towards stickbugs out of nowhere

you're despicable

[left iron]

Hey Stan

[nimble fiber]

stan dont like when things dance for some reason

[hushed knoll]

They need to hit the guy

Gum

Gym

[royal vortex]

i am still ungreeted

its over

ending it all

[left iron]

Deserved

[hushed knoll]

JINJOSJO

[left iron]

[royal vortex]

NO

[hushed knoll]

HI KOSJO

[royal vortex]

THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANTED

[hushed knoll]

JOSHO

[nimble fiber]

ahaha

[south folio]

you stupid bith

you've beckoned your own doom

[nimble fiber]

truly deserved

[south folio]

for what reason did you do it

you fool

[hushed knoll]

This bandaid is so booting

Annoying

[nimble fiber]

I ask again, what happened?

[hushed knoll]

Wdym

I still want to make a sweater made out of eyelashes

[nimble fiber]

because of the bandaid

[left iron]

[hushed knoll]

Ice no Cthulhu eyes

[south folio]

i wait in anticipation to see if stan grasps the context

[hushed knoll]

What

[south folio]

how did you hurt your thumb

[hushed knoll]

I have a microcosm

Cut

Micro cut

[left iron]

[nimble fiber]

aah, oh no stan!

should we call an ambulance?

[hushed knoll]

It feels like I have a locket but I can’t see anything

Splinter

[hushed knoll]

ICE GO TO BED

[nimble fiber]

have u tried a magnifying glass

[hushed knoll]

Yes but not for me

[left iron]

Its 1pm

[south folio]

god damnit i can't take duellist without picking up a +5% melee damage node

now i have to divide by 1.05 every time

[nimble fiber]

uhm, will u make me food that will poison me or something

[royal vortex]

why do you tell random people to go to bed

it

wh

no you don't

roach.

[hushed knoll]

Why would you do this

[left iron]

Do i order a pizza or a döner kebab

[royal vortex]

since you typed that, you are a person with muscular dystrophy trying to pronounce costco

[left iron]

They are roughly the same price

[hushed knoll]

Get Döner Pizza

[polar nexus]

hi stan

[bitter yoke]

duh pizza

[polar nexus]

still no doors?

[hushed knoll]

Hi Doris

Doors

[royal vortex]

doris

[polar nexus]

AHAHAH

[hushed knoll]

Omg Doris is back

[hushed knoll]

I didn’t kno they had Döner in finals

[frozen glen]

wha

[hushed knoll]

Fish

Finnland

[left iron]

[polar nexus]

finland has kebab yeah

like Sweden

[hushed knoll]

Are you Swedish

[frozen glen]

finland only has snow and fish

[ember yew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1216426008002039899/image0.gif

[frozen glen]

they eat fish

and snow

[hushed knoll]

Hello rebders

I didn’t she one on purpose

Did that one

[frozen glen]

yea u did

[left iron]

[nimble fiber]

evil doings

[polar nexus]

Nah, from France but i went to Finland 2 years ago

and i lived with a girl from Sweden too

[hushed knoll]

Am I a girl from serious

Sweden

[nimble fiber]

serious sam

[hushed knoll]

Who tf is serious dam

Sam

[nimble fiber]

its a game

[left iron]

[hushed knoll]

ICE NO

[nimble fiber]

quite fun in couch coop

[left iron]

Elp

My game crashes whenever i open my zealots melee inventory

[nimble fiber]

rip

[hushed knoll]

It’s the stick bugs

[nimble fiber]

huh why

[frozen glen]

maybe delete some of the bad items ice

the ones that u hoarded for like 2000 levels

[left iron]

I wish i could delete some of those hammers i bought last week without the game crashing on me

Im fairly sure its them as well

[nimble fiber]

delete the zealot

[left iron]

You're right, its the only option

[nimble fiber]

noo wait!

[left iron]

Too late

[nimble fiber]

[left iron]

Its fine, i still have my 2nd zealot

But he has such a shitty thammer, i need to roll thammers again

[hushed knoll]

Do you like black pepper ice

[left iron]

Yeah, its a good spice

[hushed knoll]

Your zealots name reminded me of it

Cuz McCormick spiced

Loved

Spices