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most big things I shoot take more than that
like ogryns and such
not sure about maulers but probably around 4-5
that's where Fury of the Faithful/Wrath of the Righteous, Surgical, and Pinning Fire come in.
ideally you'd have calvacade/pinning fire, but surgical works for sniping
All of them together work to bring bolter breakpoints into a solid and acceptable status.
is there a zaelot weapon tier list
But yeah, the ideal combo is Maniac/Anything/PF/Cavalcade on zealot
or something like that
I have the same problem for most iron sights to be honest
Brutal Momentum Rashad Combat Axe
that's literally all you need to know
that's S++++++++++++++++++++++ tier
does weapon mod works on bolter ADS?
everything else is like lumped together in A tier
if yes, you can use that
kay
what's that
There's a mod that lets you change the look of weapons
weapon customization mod allows you to change how weapons look
including adding holosights to guns
oh
welcome to the club
imma be real with you
on my vet i magdump bolter and hit like 3 things
ironsights are dogshit
its all about having fun
true I guess
this
and this
but it wouldn't be fair to every other schmuck suffering with the default sights
better ADS = more fun
they are fine with modding
eh
at the end of the day it doesn't matter cause fatshark is cool with it
I guess I'll put that down as plan B
they're aware of the mod and mods
even fatshark devs use the customization mod so dont feel bad about it
Xbox console peasants
and kill ones that they think are outright cheating
must suffer
while other mods get to stay up

the macro to cancel any attack so you always get l1
no idea how they havent implemented weapon modding ingame yet
like being able to craft your own sights and shit
fatshark propably arent gonna make weapon customization a thing simply because the mod works just as well
btw macros arent banned for just basic attacking
Their hands are tied by Games Workshop.
how
They're VERY particular about the image of their setting.
its the reason why the shirtless cosmetic was removed
there's no default sight on bolters lol
So everything needs to go through them first to be okayed.
Don't worry Death, there's also a whole ass rulebook to customize your weapons in the Warhammer 40k TTRPG
yeah but have you ever seen a GW sanctioned Holo sight for a bolter
and the actual minis they make bolters are so tiny I'm pretty sure they don't have sights anyway
be glad they allowed it for the lasgun
i do agree that we need some more weapon patterns for diversity
you mean Dark Heresy/Only War?
and to get a better feel on how to balance weapons
Yeah.
Its so detailed it goes into attachment WEIGHT
attachment WEEEEEEIIIIIIGHT
IK
what would be the second blessing though headtaker or something else
p sure dt is based on dark heresy aswell
I read the whole DH 2e rulebook once
headtaker yeah for rashad combat axe
never got anyone to play with
Flak/Unarmored/Headtaker/Brutal Momentum
is the ideal rashad
100% absolutely
good that i already got all of those on rank 4 from my vet lol
there are a lot of dark heresy designs
darktide also takes place during the plague wars
how much ranking on base stats should I be looking for on weapons in general?
like obviously the higher the better but
between the 320 and 380 range
So uh
70-80% in everything that affects damage
depends on the weapon, there's trash stats and good ones
Damage related - Damage, Penetration, Finesse, Stopping Power (this one on ranged weps), like these
so it's ok to try 330-350 weps if they have good rolls on perks then
dump stats - mobility (some weps need 50), defense, etc
and mobility has BPs on everything up to around ~54%
anything past that doesn't matter except sprint speed
nice
which varies on weapon for how useful it is
some weapons you can comfortably dump stability
infantry lasguns
recon lasguns
ogryn rippers
what else
Someone will fill in others I'm sure
crowd control is dps via attack speed
i was just lazy to type all of them
and collateral is not a dps boost for ranged weapons, you generally only want collateral around 60% because it is literally just stagger and it makes you miss your shots. you just want enough to stagger bulwarks
not that anyone said otherwise
the best one is the Ogrynomicon
i'm just dropping it
especially since everything older than 3 months(?) seems to be outdated
games lantern, at least the objective factual stuff is usually up to date
a lot going on with this game
so its really hard to get accurate and useful information for wide sweeping questions
like "how win gudder"
or whatever
also, if you find a guide or video and something like ZEALOT META GAUIDE, BEST WIPONS LISTED, PERKS TIER LIST
ask here
because 95% of those are utter sht
yea this chat eats shit build guides for breakfast it's fun
no you see
you see the darndest things
the best zealot weapon is the knife with double bleed blessings
yeah I'm not falling for those lol
unless you are running chain weapons or thunderhammer
Yes
both those IMO need twbs
I actually only use it on Thunder Hammer
eviscerator it doesn't really matter at the end of the day
I'm rarely chainsawing things
but TH is 100% TWBS no matter what
here i am running mk4 chainaxe without twbs today

insane
i have my 350 health holy revenant twbs build so i can safely use mk15 evis inside of hordes
im surprisingly tanky
that's actually terrible
may the emperor have mercy on your soul
like, I could see someone use the mk12 without twbs, but the mk4? that's just self harm
Another trial
You wanna hear something even worse bandit?
I only light attack with the mk4 chainsword

Am I cooking with gas or is it ass?
What curios do y'all run on a crit build? Also is Gunner resistance still basically required? I'm gonna assume so? Considering that's what I was told for my martyrdom stuff?
Salvageable or not
yes
change point blank to surgical
change critical hit damage to maniac
you need to keep the stereotype alive to make redditors mald, charge in, die and blame your teammates
I need the blessing first so, perks first I guess
i created x3 Toughness (main stat) with +HP/Tougness/Gunner Resist and forgot that this slot exist unless i use Martyrdom
Maniac you say
one shot on ragers
who up poking tobi kadachi
thanks to hand cannon and surgical
and maniac perk
more reliable oneshots on trappers and flamers
Oh me too
mix with throwing knives for maximum "fuck specials" utility kit
No one saw my revolver post 
Ok so basically just martyrdom curios but with toughness instead of wounds as the main stat
got it.
the problem when i play zealot is that i'm addicted to the crusher so i don't get to play anything else
Crusher life

GOD ME TOO
I am playing more Descent in Division 2... and it is a travesty, a crime against humanity... The game completely refuses to feed my Unhinged addiction...
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I could have level 5 unhinged by now, but, it barely even gave me level 2 after I struggled to try to get it... x.x
Anyone?
im a female too but im cis
Idk looks fine to me
can we be friends
Gas
implying
implying wha

i don't get it
I misread
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:(
^^
yes we can be friends
add me loaf

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Okay my turn
im a cousin too can we be friends
So I come in from the jog and go to shower off
it was just int womens day so hadron didnt brick my curio
LOL
A mix of both
that's at least 400g of protein
This stupid Descent tormented me all of last night and refused to give me the bullet hell talent, which makes it so you don't have to reload, and now it's making it so I can't get my favorite talent in the whole thing...
Yes sir/maam/person/thing

Just laugh at my jokes and tell meimply that I'm handsome
Dan Vs
I'm yours forever
stats?
okri I appreciate your prescence even if I dont talk as much here as I should
Pen could be higher but over 65 is good enough, perk is good but the blessing is ass
well thank you
toughness since crit builds get 50% TDR
whats wrong with the blessing?
I just went through my gif favs to find a thank you and realized practically all of them are making judy faces in some context or another
call me a heretic but i skip both twbs and faithful frenzy
Zarona MK2 need 2 blessings - Handcannon and Surgical
Sustained fire is pretty bad, with revolver you're not wanting to rely on the 3rd or 4th shot, you typically want the enemy dead in one or two if possible, so hc and surgi are the way to go for Crit and piercing armour
%
nothing needs anything
the deadliest weapon you can bring to the fight
is yourself
you're better than you think you are taykum mayse hiddum fayse
I skip TWBS on shroudfield but otherwise I take it
Remember. Your weapons aren't the one to kill people. YOU are >:)
my skill points in the being damn near impossible to kill tree did not exactly translate to hilldiers
also this is the zealot build i run and i'm wondering if I should drop something for faithful frenzy
Why the cat look so hervmzrep gibbezib
he's looking cute in that pic. might delete later
Funny face penalty
what weapon you use, you can either drop 2nd stack of Chastice
or fire grenade and get knifes (thus save points)
I run revolver and crusher on a melee oriented build
another crusher enthusiast
it's been serving me welkl but i've been wondering if i sohuld drop anything for TWBS and faithful frenzy
Crusher is just sooo good we can't let more ppl know about it
I might run ONE hp at least temporarily because I have an HP one that has gunner res.
But I'll go all toughness at some point.
i just run 2 toughness and 1 hp cuz i'm basic
sadly crit eats a lot of points
due to duelist and +2 nodes
do i haaave to take blades of faith tho?

i heard fire grenades apply stuff like hammerblow and skullcrusher so that's mainly why i take them
if it works with them, then yeah, you cant really do anything there
its either duelist then or 2nd chastice stack and both are kinda meh decision, crusher isnt the fastest wep for cdr farming
and duelist last 3 secs, which is fine, unlike darn precog (2 secs)
It's annoying that the crit stuff starts on the right side
Or perhaps that Piety is on the left side instead of the right side
It feels like it should be swapped with momentum
They keep your personal buffs like bleed crit and rage up as well
Any fire will
I'm having a lot of fun relearning flamer as a puff puff suppression charge tool more than opened up for the whole tank of fuel
It just shuts down everything and just one puff on one thing will keep your buffs up as long as it's alive
It staggers everything without metal on its face too
I thought the armor was fine?
perks are flak maniac, carapace is semi acceptable I suppose but eh
So crit chance and the blessings are bad?
yeah
Yknow what yeah its unsaveable sell it and use that money to get a flamer
all you really want on zarona is surgical and hand cannon
they are far and away better than anything else you could put on it
but laz, have u considered the surgical speedload agri revolver build

What does handcannon do?
since you yes you asked, are some tips and tricks in the next couple scrolls to help you, yes you, get lernt
use your words
hammer
and trust me
try out powered up hammer tier 2 charge back to back
spent 200k and couldnt get one flamer with burn above 73%
pls dont say the f word around me
60% rending on crit
and surgical means you get crit on demand
What do you think, Lazorr... am I going to bit a ditz and walk into the zap floor, like I sometimes do? x.x
Sometimes it's kind of hard to see where the eletric wires are... and sometimes they have them placed a bit sneakily :/
this look good?
Like look at how easy it is to step from the safe area straight to the get omega zapped area, in this stupid area of the arena... @fading vale
the yellow boxed areas are safe, but, the red gets you zapped and you lose all of your armor, and are a sitting duck for the enemies to blast you
Usually then the sniper guys decide to aim and shoot at you, when you get zapped x.x
So this is like a crit build thing right?
I'm gonna replace wrath with rampage soon
just don't have lots of blessings for this specific weapon
I just put Wrath on cause it is pretty good just overall. At least until I GET rampage to slap on it
Idk what rending does either
You want pinning fire instead of cavalcade
Crits DMG on the AP is not meaningful
And flak instead of Crit chance
@hard moon
It's armor penetration basically
there's a pin for rending I think
how does one even minmax one of these, I haven't used a knife since idk
with this. i get crits like 90% of the time and it helps me get blazing piety faster
Iunno
My og build was crit hammer with lots of defense
Best way to minmax knife is by holding x on it in inventory
It's a secret consecrate method
In all honesty could roll it to blue and see what blessing you get
And base rolling further off that
Hobo genderbent Heihachi
wtf im doing lance
cant trust u
Bruh
you can tell its fake because it has crit chance on it
okay i have to ask what is the crazy knife i see a lot of people using on zealot
Range crits do not work with crit cdr
What happened on the 4th of October?
hey max health
the rest is free
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He may never financially recover from this
i.e. smash the heads of big men in with a hammer?
I haven't used Heavy Sword yet, what do y'all think?
theres unga, bunga, and gabagool
my goofy ass when the HMG stratagem is added into HD2
ok ill do hammer untill i can farm for lance
trust me youll like it
if you haven't revisited it in a while, it might as well be its own weapon
lance is just dreadfully boring (full offence)
i want its block
Change the perks and it's basically perfect
i am not good at dodging monsters and I do not enjoy taking half my health from one attack
yeah ive been gone for a while, its completely different now is what youre saying?
Its not for the ability. Its for blazing piety and damage. My main weapon helps with cdr
you can be three hits from killing anything, most in 2, smols in 1
Go flak maniac
Just get evade extender 2
I know headtaker is
but is deathblow basically the BM of heavy swords, and a bis bless?
so what im getting is theres only one true way to play zealot
and I dont wanna drop defense iv charm
If you want a better crit machine use a columnus infantry autogun with +5crit chance, dumdum and whetever
Melding time
It's that much better at the Crit game
Or gem farming time
Yes, exactly. It's BM named differently
Just farm tempered lavasioth event quest
ok how does this look
okay tell you what,
what loadouts are yall using? and talents
feeling confident about it
awesome thanks for the input 
Your in MR right?
Cause thats a very low ammount of skills
i just beat explosive guy
what!!
i have no decorations
on
gimme a second pal..........
I suggest getting only beta sets cause they have more slots
ive got plently of level 4 decoration slots
ill b fine
wait wtf
what does purple mean
on lvl 4 and 5
You unlocked the skill cap because of the set bonus
What primary team roles are there to be filled?
so I'm really enjoying the crusher and the flamer as a puff puff suppression and stagger hall and bridge clearer
Nope
ok so i need defense boost then
It added 2 levels because the diablo bonus is slugger secret
Crit chance
Chastise with Eviscerator is beautiful
I like running past mutants and cutting them in two with it.
It's so satisfying
Love the crusher!!! ๐
I was actually going to try out the eviscerator before i got recommended crusher! I still want to try it and heavy sword out
For now crusher is my king tho ๐
Eviscerator is what I use in auric and tier 5
And it holds up so well
Boltgun and Eviscerator
I use revo and crusher! super fun and encourages using mainly ur melee cuz of how fast revo's switch speed is
so i just run around and hit things and if something i need to kill NOW spawns i can just pull it out in like half a second and it's dead
bolter still is the highschool sweetheart, it's great for armor leet delete mag dumps and ranged specialist delete
prolly only thing I'd take to a sniper gauntlet
I've wanted to try out bolter too! but revo is just really satisfying and i like the wep switch speed even if it has a suuuuper slow reload
it's a revolver that's laser beam accurate at any range with three times the ammo capacity and three times the reload
@frosty herald ok what about now
Just use chastise and boltgun goes crazy
i should beat your ass for using crit draw on hammer
its not on my decorations!!!
replace it with crit boost
but yeah this is a nice early MR set
my non martyrdom curios are 3x toughness, with the perks being 3x tough, 3xhp, 2x gunner resist, and then a generalized corruption resist or sniper resist
i basically always have speed eating and health boost on
the only times ive ever tried to make a build and both times its been for hammer
i dont have a single speed eating decoration
or a defense 4
i only have a single defense 1 charm
WTF I CAN CHANGE MY HAIR FOR FREE
I THOUGHT I HAD TO USE ONE OF THOSE CHARACTER TOKENS
no more griffith hair
you can also have the no helmet option on in the menu
What's ur affinity?
ho
20%
its under your attack stat
yea
attack is 1280
affinity 20
no elemnt
i need a new hammer
gonna get deviljho one
did you know you can get negative crits
NO weakness exploit ๐
that deal less damage
2 broke...
yup
if you have - affinity on a weapon it will give you less damage when you crit
that's funny
What is this gunner spawn 
oh yeah last game i got it with shotgunners
I want to provide buffs and do big single target damage, how should I build with talents and weapons?
auric right?
royal cross mace and pandemonium unleashed my beloved
shotgunners are much easier to deal with.
not looking to min max crushers but what stats should i be most concerned about?
for gunners yes, but not shotgunners.
they reduced it for gunners but not shotgunners i believe
you shouldve experienced shotgunners at launch
they were a menace
i got the tail end of death flamers
Gunners are so broken in this game, look at this stupid spawn
my main issue with gunners is that they have sniper accuracy
my brother in nergle we both have braced guns how are you sniping me across the map?
his gun is just better
they have gatling laser gun
and can stun lock you 50 meters away
melee class in this game living the worst life
yeeeah when it's like this I just accept I have to use gun if I'm not using twbs
I mean, if I were playing a psyker or vet, I probably wouldn't even lose any health against those gunners.
oh god the talk about suppression is giving me ICO vibes
thoughts?
Crucis thunder hammer is the most single target oriented weapon in zealot's kit, and ironhelm thunder hammer is as well but sacrifices a bit of that single target in return for being able to cleave through trash with your activated attack. Both are very good. As for buffs, not a ton you can provide your team as zealot other than by chorus and anti-corruption aura, which are both still pretty helpful.
Knife is also big single target but not as cool as thammers so
I put the psychic shield and just kill them off with brain burst or shards.
gonna ask again but i saw a zealot in maelstrom with a crazy knife and he almost solo clutched a really really bad situation with it
im wondering what that is and how to build it, it looked very funny
I use knife as well really good for anything
Knives arent the blessed immolations either, which are absolutely essential imo
im not the best with zealot talents but idk about sheild of contempt+hammer of faith
idk if i bring a hammer im sure HoF is gonna be beautiful
impact isnt as good in darktide
gunners in that spot are pretty deadly but that's also one of the few spots where they're a proper threat because of them dropping down and surrounding you, and you can just run forward without needing to fight then
this is a good guide for the zealot talents
I thought about just running, but I'm too far away from my teammates' revive location, and I will end up aggro too many enemies.
i usually deal with it if that situation comes to it, but i don't usually have to kite downwards unless there's a boss spawn or a melee patrol jumpscare where i just run back up the stairway from where you come from and the gunners will run into a chokepoint anyways
Tanner is the most ass guide ever and will probably insult you 20 times
Take advice from me
one time a chaos spawn threw me through the map boundaries, but I managed to walk back into bounds a further bit along the map but I guess I tripped another progress twitter cause a 2nd chaos spawn immediately spawned next to me and hit me off a cliff
okay that's a little mean
Who hasnt played the game in 2 months
he might be a bit of an elitist but his talent guides are good
no he's a wannabe elitist
he's constantly mad at the real elitists for not agreeing with him
he is mechanically skilled but often spouts wrong information and doesn't take corrections,
a very big user of the Speak Loudly, insult people who disagree with you, and have confidence
it happened before, if you trying to speed run it can spawn multiple monstrosities.
its an okay starting point
and it tricks people with no critical thinking to believe that he is the 2nd coming of christ
lets see, anti rending blessings, lacerate on knife over flesh tearer, weakspot/crit damage for "muh consistency" did I miss any other bad takes tanner had
wounds being unusable
oh yea
Aint no way bro said take lacerate
he is anti martyrdom after the talent tree update which is just, universally stupid
it isn't everyone's cup of tea but it's completely viable and is high risk high reward playstyle
like, before patch 13 it was the opposite building around martyrdom was trolling cause it only gave like 10% attack speed and the damage boost, no durability
yeah wounds are the most stupidly cheat curios to build most of the time they come in the store with great t4 perks
oh shit we talking tanner shitberg again
also go down get back up with almost max hp 
who is this famous guy
Probably everything except defences and crowd control i thinkkkk?
is tanner the one who called out people in the discord in a youtube video, posted it here, and deleted it when we all made comments on it
a guy who got banned from here and made his own circle jerk discord
crowd control important
it's attack speed
no that was a rando
iirc i was told that the difference between 60% and 80% attack speed is actually extremely minimal
oh ok, then I retract the statement
tanner does not support lacerate to my knowledge
Tanner
Knife clips
it's still base attack speed and I don't really like dumping it like I'll dump defenses
especially since i run martyrdom that animation speed goes crazy at sub 3 wounds
ikk obv defenses is the main dump stat but if u have one w/ a CC dump it's not the end of the world
difference between an 80% and 57% crusher
I think stat prio on the crusher goes damage/pen > power output > CC > defenses but i'm not exactly the smartest
yeah a small dump on CC is fine
I run a 51% CC crucis cause it has triple damage stats
triple 80
Also what would a good chaxe look like?
wdym
What woulddd be the best perks on a chaxe? Cara/Unyielding with Bloodletter/Something else?
someone came in, posted a bad knife with bleed crit chance and crit damage and we were like it's bad
no bloodletter
and then they posted a video screenshotting 4 people's profiles
I got this from melk's.. not saveable? ๐
...
incredible
lol
Depends on the variant for perks, Flak/Maniac/Unyielding and on the Mk IV Cara can be nice for the lights when running Headtaker + Slaughterer. Blessings are Thrust/Slaughterer/Headtaker.
nooooo another bricked godroll cursed to sit forever in my inven
you could probably get away with replacing both blessings
weakspot is obviously terrible but
not sure how reliant chaxe is on perks
Bro uploads daily and finds a new way to be perpetualy salty and insult everyone
Ive never seen that mf happy
no
it's not
you can make it, bearable if it's your only option
but mk4 chain axe wants headtaker slaughterer, and flak, maniac, unyielding, carapace are all the good perks
mk12 chain axe can go thrust instead of one of the above blessings, and apparently gets bruiser breakpoints with unarmored
paired with flamer + crucis, thoughts?
why are you grabbing crit
and why are you going chorus
thammer is a burst weapon as is, you don't want to be lowering your normal crucis non activated dps to channel it
and you take 0 cdr
which is terrible for flamer
i can adjust it, but are you deadset on taking chorus hammer?
thammer isn't a support weapon tbh
i know i want single target too
then i'd go eviscerator
with crit build, since crit is the premier "support' enabler right now
evisc with that build?
i did like 80% of its health in one move and it just went rage and ran away after rage was done
@burnt bobcat this is my best adjustment I can make to it, backstab cdr so you can maintain uptime on your "support". 10% attack speed, toughness DR on dodge
drugs have ruined king Julian
no, that's trying to fit thunderhammer and chorus into the same build
i mean im open to bigger changes but i really just want single target + support
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then i'd say a full swap to eviscerator, probably the mk15

alright, i only have a subpar mk2 right now but im just getting a setup going
like ill start going for the weapons once i have a build plan
here is what i'd run with eviscerator, since unlike thunderhammer it can scale off crit and sync with the crit cdr that makes it tick
you can swap the melee attack speed point to somehwere else if you want
for weapon you want something like rampage perfect strike. It's what I use since you get +55% crit from tree when ramped up anyways, and perfect strike is usually a bad blesisng but because of how mk15 light attacks work, it actually is good in this one specific case
otherwise go shred rampage
shiiiiit
and for perks take 25% on flak, maniac, unyielding, carapace, all good options
crit chance is, bad simply because 5% crit is less overall compared to the big 25% damage perks, or even 10% elites
Alright, thank you!
I have a hard time recommending hammer without chastise
it just opens up so many options
this is what I run except with backstab CDR over swift rn
you could mod it for chorus
I'd also say the only decent way to use throwing knives with hammer is to run flamer
but I would take HR if you don't take restoring faith
could also maybe use a kant shotgun
the worst breakpoint from not running chastise is you will never 1 shot crushers
I think hammer without chastise works, but it is definitely harder to feel great using. You'd have to be pretty happy about being more team-oriented
which is just.... not an ideal thing for pubs
And at that point there's better melee weapons for that style
MK XV Evi has too many bugs right now, I'm not even sure if FS will fix them.
Guaranteed crit for CDR feelsbad to go without as well
Tbf, they were specifically looking for a more team-oriented build that also has single target
the stagger, the desync, and the special attack can be interrupted
I hate to say it but chaxe/evis are better for that outside of monstrosities
Knife, babyy.
especially with the cooldown for relic since it's so long
why do you even use relic with hammer
Why do you even use relic*
voc vets be like
Imagine using the inferior shout
relic is not a good ability that's for sure.
its sad that it's never worth taking a relic upgrade talent
It's funny
I don't know why they didn't give it a damage upgrade
Is there a new consensus that chorus has magically become bad or something
Chorus is kind of a "crutch" thing.
it's just mid
VoC def better but still
it's always been bad
Because it's better to kill the things
or well, overrated
unless they let you attack during the chorus it's just a very mid ability.
it kills your dps and the damage boost doesn't make up for it in a setting with random teammates
i always thought it was cuz chorus is basically a smite that buffs ur team on a cooldown
tbh, they should make it an activatable aura, that ticks slower and weaker, but still lets you use your weapon
i think chorus would be cool if one of the nodes made it into a beacon you could drop
smite does damage, albiet how little, and helps synergize with other psyker tools
javelin
zealot doesn't have venting shriek and spreading soulblaze for free,
you press chorus and you are basically coinflipping if your team will even use it to it's full potential
It staggers everything but monstrosities around you for many seconds, which is literally smite centered on yourself and gives overtoughness. If you're playing with non-bricked teammates, that's pretty good. Of course almost any team-oriented ability will be bad with bad teammates 
i'm going to say the same thing I said about Old pre rework surge staff, it helps mid teams clear better and that's it
Kind of like saying that healing people in MMOs is bad because they might suck dog ass at video games
Kind of a meh argument
a truly bad team you are just stalling when you should be carrying with damage
and with a truly good team, you are basically just polishing an already won run
but darktide isn't an mmo or moba or hero shooter
I actually would love to see more upgrade options for Chastise
why it only has one upgrade option lol
Smite used to be terrible but you can actually make it horde clear now so
best horde clear melee? crusher?
@frosty herald hammer build fucks ๐ญ
eh, DT fails at being a team game so it's just not really worth it to dedicate yourself to using team stuff and sacrifice your own ability
It's a good thing it's the same applicable form of teamwork in regards to using your time to assist someone in doing damage or surviving then
its too swag ๐ญ
darktide is specifically designed to be an aggressive, fast paced horde shooter, with teams usually working the best when it's 4 individuals with well rounded builds covering eachother
im not getting oneshot anymore ๐ญ
going too hard on support in the name of "omg look at me i'm helping my team sooo much" is no different from playing veteran and begging that zealot and ogryn should "tank" for you
yes bolter
on the surface DT looks like a team game but it's really just not
I think it's still a team game, but it hasn't fallen into the trap a ton of other games have done
im a team game
your teammates' only value is to kill things fast.
i would say the team oriented stuff that does not require you to entirely stop what you are doing work, it's when you just stop doing things to do something like throw up emperor horns where it's kinda eh
where they had a support, and add a tank, then suddenly a healer is always needed but if you have 4 healers you are screwed and omg it's just so weird
And not dying.
well we better add an assassin, bruiser fight mage warlock death knight
You can't also be self-sufficient at the same time with overtoughness? Is everyone not in agreeance that that's one of the strongest buffs in the game?
it's more that you just make sure your teammates can keep killing things and help when shit goes south
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they make it look like four classes but as you can see, even the Ogryn doing pretty well if they go full-range build.
I know I can 
which revolver better? agri?
zarona
kk
zarona by far
it was the strongest when it was bugged, but right now no, most builds have enough toughness regen baked in
and if there are two good vet players with plasma gun, you probably only need to follow them and pick some plasteel.
ez game
crusher good for horde?
crusher is good at everything
Crusher is the most A tier at everything weapon ever
kk, indignatus is the crusher then?
the fun part of playing with plasma vets is doing ur best to killsteal them constantly
and not every "support" player is gonna be self sufficient especially for new player
indignatus is the brand/forgeworld,
right now it's the only variant
see ironhelm vs crucis, agri vs zarona etc etc
Crusher is fun and pretty easy to get those blessings on . Also my fav on zealot
also yea, crusher is probably the best start weapon right now and is good at everything
I noticed ever since patch 13 most zealot players stopped using hammer.
I feel that right now, at its best it's great and at its worst its just an okay, fine usable ability.
well there's been a lot of power creep and the health buffs make it weird
you can occasionally see some backstab hammer build, but the hammer user decreased significantly.
also harder to pull off a lot of the hammer stuff in melee when a lot of melee elites spawn in groups of 20
We can agree to disagree and that is fine with me
at best it can ledge a monster or provide space for your team, at worse it stalls your inevitable death from the approaching mobs
Me spending like 30 minutes to figure out the most optimal clear combo for crusher and it turns out just spamming lights is perfectly fine 
then go disagree
i think we had a conversation months back about how hard it is to properly fight 4 crushers in the psykh w/o chastise
before p13

yea it's a bit overtuned
and its just like now u have to deal with that and significantly worse with like 20x ragers n shit
You figured out nice
hammers mostly show up in mosnter maelstroms or it's some dedicated hammer main
yeah, I mean hammer is the highest skill ceiling weapon in the game but even then no matter what you ain't fighting a billion ragers maulers or crushers
yea
At least crusher combos for single target is fun.
which isnt bad because u shouldnt really be able to do that effectively solo
like i've seen the chorus effect just like i've seen the old surge staff effect
but u kinda have to be with spawns rn tldr powercreep
Why the aggro bro 
revolver crusher support build?
finally, i can meme now
maulers and crushers are probably ok, you can still kite them with hammer, ragers though
What
I've been saying recently that I think hammer is a good semblance of balance for weapons, except maybe monstrosity damage
huh
I have a god roll crusher, waiting to try it out one of these days
where you have this psyker spamming his 6 unit stun staff over and over again, only to get overwhelmed when the peril runs out and since nothing actually died
wdym support?
you can go momentum+ backstab cdr
yes chorus and general toughness
yeah i think it's in a good spot, crusher would be a really nice example of a generalist weapon if it wasn't so safe for so little investment
Yeah, sure.
but i don't recommend, crusher really likes fury of the faithful for a stat boost
Chorus revolver and crusher is what i play also xd
but you do you
i think i conceptually disagree with the idea of designated boss killer weapons so i'd like stuff to not just shit out unyielding damage but eet eez what eet eez
I'm not aggro i'm just me ๐
darktide is just a game where you can solve 99% of issues by simply killing more, faster
chorus is kinda the main focus, crusher and revolver are to fill roles that my team struggle with
Synonyms, then
and I don't exactly want fatshark listening to the people who want them to add "healers" so they can support harder
Well. I did a crusher chorus run yesterday and it worked quite well tbh. I missed chastise mostly for the charge part.
Healers def not fit for the balance of DT
I like to throw in my vet or zealot build those support skills .
oh yea it's completely viable
cause crusher is op
you can run crusher with anything
Like a ghoul
And like, I'll do the voc comparision, VOC doesn't force you to channel, so you can keep shooting and killing, and it picks up allies automatically, which saves more time where you can, be killing
chorus, and it's damage boost that is basically mandatory, doesn't really make up for the dps loss you get from holding it out
Taking the revive node and nerfing the entire rest of the ability??
yes because cdr doesn't matter with the cdr on elite kill
i can chain vocs together on vet
Do ppl when using voc is taking the second part? "Only in death does duty ends" . I personally don't take it
But sounds cool as hell
Voc should be the vet holding a com device like the relic.
Radius of both the toughness bonus and stagger is lowered, and it's usually a pretty free revive when you use it any scenario
it's absolutely clutch value and extremely efficient in high diffs where specials grow from the fungus and rot
you have to spend time reviving, or you can give you and the person getting up the toughness bonus while still shooting
as for radius
it's just somethign to live with, 9m-6m is a fair trade off
That increased cd idk what to feel about it . I like it cause i can spam that ab. So often๐๐
oh the cd doesn't matter
Yeah i have that also but still
30-45 is 2 more special kills and waiting a 3 seconds
Maybe i should give it a try
a lot of it is oppurtunity/time cost
I had a teammate last games
basically removes any risk and loss dps from reviving,
Died 14 times on heresy idk what was wrong with him but Zek if you see this i lov u man
I used to be a revive node coper but I found that when I took it off that I lost pretty much no value, and in many cases gained more
have they fixed the blessing "executor"? (% damage on repeated weakspot hit)
Def viable but not my preference and not optimal imo
yes? depends on your definition
it no longer drops on bleed ticks
missing a weakspot hit won't reset the stacks
it drops on first target bodyshot hit and thats it
u can miss u just cant hit the first guy u touch in the chest
worth in your opinion?
yes, I believe precog has a higher damage cap
its decent on knife, the 6 moreso than the 3
but executor is easy and consistent
since you already go uncanny strike as your main blessing
shout res bad https://streamable.com/ldwhrb
i have two knives option, can you help me on which is better?
left left left left
left for sure
bleed is bad and double bleed is badder cause stacks stop at 16 and give nothing afterwards
double bleed is pointless. you hit the same cap regardless and uncanny globally boosts your bleed damage
i would have simply found the oppurtunity to walk up and rez in there /j
ohh i had no idea about the cap, thanks for the info
the rending works on the bleed too
yee, I think they should give it like
some use? not enough to make it viable option
so it massively buffs ur damage into like cara, brings bleed damage from 75% to over 100% on unyielding, etc
but like, if you overcap with bleed, and apply bleed stacks, they just instantly take some bleed damage
but that would be so hard to balance lol
Completely silent burster.
Congrats on level 500
dredge the conversation back up after it was over because I can not fathom going without getting the last word in
someone makes a good point
"erm well actually you already said we could agree to disagree so I get to keep talking and acting like I am objectively correct while stating everything as fact"
You can get the last word in if you like if it's that important to you, just say that ๐คทโโ๏ธ
you didn't make a good point you
just tried to end the convo
nice ferret
then you immediately run back in
to talk to me
if i'm so unpleasant to talk to, don't talk to me
it's that shrimple
who da hell greentedxting on discord
mods kick dis mf in the nuts
Mods drench them in oil
I can get behind this
Grab his feet(๐คค) and scrape his toes on concrete consecutively
what the fuck is wrong with you
that went beyond zealot chat level
lunas obsession with feet grows worse by the day
right there
Don't fucking send that
its like a nuclear bomb
luna how do you deal with someone wearing like sandals in public
the two neurons in my brain connect and i post juri feet gif
do you just explode
Depends on if they have socks on or not
i am assuming no socks
as socks with sandals is generally frowned upon
alright i don't like feet
What did I just walk into
but i got people in my life that do
all I've worn recently is socks and flip flops 
and i can't judge
Oh yall like feet huh
If it makes it any better
i do not like feet
I don't like dirty ones

