except for that one crustaeceous mfer
#zealot-class
spare dome
fair igloo
I'm just generally not a big fan of changes like that because it can easily snowball into a TF2 equalizer type of situation where something was so overpowered they decided to snip the weapon in half and we got one that was really good still and then the other half literally became useless and has no real point even existing in the game
royal vortex
marksman's focus and weapon specialist are the most interesting keystones in the whole game
south folio
sure there's the possibility that they ruin stuff
royal vortex
there's a ton of keystones that are just flat bonus for doing nothing
coarse birch
yeah
south folio
but that's just an argument that calls for sheer inaction
royal vortex
weapon specialist really just has the sin of bad upgrade nodes imo
south folio
and assumes that fatshark is going to make a single change nothing else later
e.g., look at vet as an example, who went through a few iterations
stable cypress
Idk weapon specialist at most is quickswappinf to 1shot some nerd for buffs then going back to Never Reloading
fair igloo
but that's just an argument that calls for sheer inaction
That's why I was talking about earlier how rather than inaction i'd rather have the developers try and take action in the opposite direction but like I said and we've covered before i'm not a game developer so I'm not sure how it would be implemented into darktide if at all possible
south folio
even if they get it off, they can just correct it later piecewise
royal vortex
i think u fix a lot of issues if u swap the fire rate bonus to swap speed as well
because weapon specialist bolter unironically needs to be a reality
stable cypress
Sometimes said 1shot clears the horde too sure
misty mason
OK HD2 chat, how does the flame breaker stack up against the regular post nerfs?
south folio
That's why I was talking about earlier how rather than inaction i'd rather have ...
sure and we're arguing that, to allow for neat mechanics and interactions, we have to tune the numbers down
there's nothing nuanced that you can implement about fighting 10-20 ragers
royal vortex
and then change one of the stamina nodes (probs the stam cost one) to something that more meaningfully interacts with automatics
i like that vet keystones work better with some playstyles than others, thats pretty much the entire idea behind keystones representing the core idea of a "subclass" branch
coarse birch
yeah it would be really hard to create cool interactions when you can literally turn the game off or DPS check everything in 2 seconds
or when stuff is just 30 of one guy
fading vale
I mean we can see what we are talking about with an incredibly recent and relevant example, the railgun.... obviously broken and ignoring the game and then half the community cries about it for 0 reason when there are more options now and it's still a fine weapon, but now they have to engage with how the game was designed more
south folio
bring player power levels down and reduce the amount of elite spam
royal vortex
oh https://streamable.com/2g0yqv @fading vale remember the bolter is TERRIBLE
fair igloo
there's nothing nuanced that you can implement about fighting 10-20 ragers
I dunno I'm just still not fully convinced of this still
It's like again in ultrakill terms saying there's nothing nuanced about fighting 10-20 of X enemy because V1 is just so overpowered unreleased difficulties aside
stable cypress
oh https://streamable.com/2g0yqv <@162283147277369344> remember the bolter is TE...
Thanks for reminding me of the guy who tried to argue that mk12 lasgun with Onslaught does everything bolter can
south folio
I dunno I'm just still not *fully* convinced of this still
It's like again in ul...
at least in ultrakill you aren't really ever inactionable and you are extremely rewarded for being good with faster regeneration of hard damage and whatnot
with ragers, fighting them in melee requires that you either hit trade or block trade
royal vortex
Thanks for reminding me of the guy who tried to argue that mk12 lasgun with Onsl...
lmao
south folio
and both become extremely impractical when the game spams a bunch of them
besides the trauma/crusher/smite/etc., imagine yourself fighting 10-20 ragers in melee
royal vortex
ragers are an area-denial enemy that punish you if you ever get too close to them
zealous basin
south folio
also, the game spamming 5-10 bulwarks at you
fair igloo
at least in ultrakill you aren't really ever inactionable and you are extremely ...
Wait i'm a little confused w/ the inactionable part and being rewarded for good gameplay
south folio
there's also no fun to be had with bulwarks
fair igloo
like as in you're never like unable to do something?
royal vortex
when 20 spawn and surround you from every angle (because the slots system makes it so enemies will move to cover you from multiple angles) you cannot do anything unless you have a button that turms them all off
south folio
yeah
coarse birch
actually cant fucking interact
south folio
and in ultrakill, you always have access to a wide arsenal
royal vortex
i almost exclusively play weapons that shut down bulwarks nowadays because its legitimately just
not fun in the slightest
to deal with them
fair igloo
I feel like that's not particularly the case right? Some enemies are just designed to be fought a certain way
royal vortex
half the time you can't even properly duel a singular one because enemies or teammates will do stupid light stagger resets
south folio
I feel like that's not particularly the case right? Some enemies are just design...
yes and i'm saying that you always have a way to fight enemies or compositions of enemies in ultrakill
because of your arsenal
fading vale
why does fatshark have good hitboxes on everything except for 180 degree force field shields
fair igloo
Ik that during the wrath update and even now still high level cybergrind players dislike idols because it forces the player to prioritize the idols first and force destroy them with the KB
fair igloo
Like in ultrakill, if there's an idol you just have to go and melee it to destroy it or else you can't really do anything else
similarly to ragers if there's alot of ragers you just go and shoot them
or stun them iggg
royal vortex
why does fatshark have good hitboxes on everything except for 180 degree force f...
nah the beast of nurgle weakspot hitboxes are also dogshit
south folio
ultrakill and darktide are two different games at the end of the day
coarse birch
yeah you do just shoot them but thats not interesting and very limiting
fading vale
nah the beast of nurgle weakspot hitboxes are also dogshit
it's partly the tentacles lol
royal vortex
Like in ultrakill, if there's an idol you just have to go and melee it to destro...
one of the fundamental parts of darktide's combat loop is always having multiple options to solve a problem and being able to skill your way out of most scenarios if you manage to do stuff right
south folio
and in ultrakill a lot of the engagement is in doing combos and whatnot
south folio
in darktide, there's much less of these combos
royal vortex
has very few solutions
fair igloo
one of the fundamental parts of darktide's combat loop is always having multiple...
But the issue to me is that, again, can't the exact same thing be said for other games with the other design philosophy i mentioned earlier like ultrakill?
When 20 idols spawn u don't exactly have alot of options to deal w/ them
Like I just feel like creating "special units" with specific gimmicks are MEANT to do that as their job
royal vortex
i don't really care about ultrakill
south folio
yes
we're not arguing about that
and we agree that 20 idols is also going to be annoying
do you know what we're even trying to say
fading vale
TLDR DT has a whole combat system and 20 bulwarks ragers and maulers just say lol no AND IT'S CONSTANT
south folio
we're saying that the amount of ragers should be brought down
royal vortex
ragers specific gimmick is completely shutting down melee combat for the majority of the weapons in the game
if they have enough density
coarse birch
and the weapons that can fight them in melee are just abusing dumb shit
fair igloo
we're saying that the amount of ragers should be brought *down*
But aren't you also saying that to compensate for that, the player should also be nerfed so that the difficulty is kept the same orrr am i being dumb and misunderstanding things
zealous basin
ragers are special units that do their job pretty well
when there arent 20 of them
south folio
But aren't you *also* saying that to compensate for that, the player should also...
yes
coarse birch
yes we are arguing for both
south folio
the point is to make enemies more of an individual threat
royal vortex
ragers also need to have actual global melee counterplay
fair igloo
So again wouldn't that be like nerfing V1 in exchange for less idols spawning so idols are more of an individual threat?
neat hatch
my auric teammate
coarse birch
we are saying nerf players so that you dont HAVE to spawn 80 of something for it to maybe be a threat
royal vortex
So again wouldn't that be like nerfing V1 in exchange for less idols spawning so...
it isn't just to make them more of an individual threat, because a single rager in a crowd is already threatening under specific constraints. it's to make gameplay more interesting
south folio
So again wouldn't that be like nerfing V1 in exchange for less idols spawning so...
i haven't played too much into wrath so i can't say
royal vortex
ragers rn are genuinely too good at what they do but there's no reason to nerf them when 90% of ragers are shot before they hit a player
zealous basin
im confused as to why anyone is arguing that 20 ragers spawning is a good thing
like its obviously dumb
royal vortex
vt2 plague monks/berserkers to my knowledge have a lot more counterplay you can do to fight them with any weapon
coarse birch
i will say stuff like shotgunners def need a change idc about 100 of them
zealous basin
did plague monks really have any counterplay it just spawned less of them
fading vale
shotgunners went from the most dangerous enemy to the least
fair igloo
I understand the point you're going for is to try and find a middle ground where the player isn't so overpowered it invalidates entire groups of ragers and makes fighting smaller groups of them more engaging, but I also do just think that nerfing the player can remove alot of their options and cause it to be less engaging because now there are LESS things they can do to approach the situation
royal vortex
ragers have inflated hit distance, obscenely long attack combos with minimal time between them (so the stagger res is always up), etc
fair igloo
but i'm kinda dumb
south folio
I understand the point you're going for is to try and find a middle ground where...
you're overthinking what we mean by nerfing
royal vortex
did plague monks really have any counterplay it just spawned less of them
im p sure u can actually dodge their attacks to the side vs dt ragers where u have to spam backdodge and hope u just outrange them
fading vale
I understand the point you're going for is to try and find a middle ground where...
nerfs do not equal less options, they equal more options
stable cypress
idk if anything plague monks are worse b/c of their damage output and how vt2 sometimes just spawns them right on top of you (A lot of this is chaos wastes spawnjank tbf)
fair igloo
i'm still upset about the grenadier gauntlet melee nerf 💔
south folio
like, stop thinking overly-specifically about what we mean by nerf
zealous basin
idk i remember plague monks being wildly bullshit
royal vortex
i actually dont mind them having dodge catch its just u cant do anything to them if it isnt staggering
zealous basin
but 1. they only ever spawned in like groups of 4 max
2. they were loud as FUCK
coarse birch
dodge catch is fine because you dodge every other enemy
south folio
just inerpret our statements in some reasonably positive manner instead of assuming the worst about what we mean by "nerf"
coarse birch
but yeah you have to have distance or stagger
stable cypress
Like you can duel one or two but after that it gets really iffy if you can't thin them out before they get to you or you have friends ready to help (Or you're fucking ironbreaker)
royal vortex
this game probs shouldnt have iframe-style dodging for melee but the net code is so god awful
that i would not want to see it w/o it
fading vale
I mean it is more complex than iframes
royal vortex
marginally yea
stable cypress
but 1. they only ever spawned in like groups of 4 max
2. they were loud as FUCK
there was also that one dlc mission from vt1 where they spawned for each objective you did in final part and you could do multiple v quickly
royal vortex
but in practice if you assume it works like that you're gonna survive most of the time
fair igloo
you're overthinking what we mean by nerfing
Well ik i'm overthinking it
My point the whole time has been that trying to balance things ENTIRELY like that can cause it to snowball really really fast which can ruin balance alot more than fix it which is why I don't like it when devs try and fix their game by solely changing numbers like overwatch
I don't disagree that small tweaks are needed here and there, it's just that likeee I'm still more on the side that devs should avoid it whenever possible
coarse birch
they should prob just be less spammable
stable cypress
and the tzeentch modifier deciding to be Funny
royal vortex
Well *ik* i'm overthinking it
My point the whole time has been that trying to ba...
fatshark has demonstrated a general competence when it comes to nerfing stuff
south folio
Well *ik* i'm overthinking it
My point the whole time has been that trying to ba...
just think of this situation as day 1 sharpshooter and there we go
royal vortex
90% of the nerfs theyve done have been genuinely inconsequential
fair igloo
just think of this situation as day 1 sharpshooter and there we go
okay that's fair
south folio
ultrakill wasn't ruined when they nerfed sharpshooter was it
coarse birch
Well *ik* i'm overthinking it
My point the whole time has been that trying to ba...
we also want enemies changed like design wise tbf
royal vortex
the game has significantly more of a runaway issue with power creep than nerfing
zealous basin
we're really arguing with "devs shouldnt nerf, generally" as a take huh
fair igloo
WAIT NOO DON'T PUT IT LIKE THAT 😭
royal vortex
but then again u can actually fool gamers into thinking weapons are worse than they are
fair igloo
I mean it more as "Nerfing shouldn't be a developer's first course of action immediately"
royal vortex
by putting a negative number next to a patch note
coarse birch
i mean its been a while
royal vortex
like voidstrike getting a cara adm nerf
south folio
well it wasn't their first course of action
royal vortex
or the light strikedowns on chainsword having their cleave nerfed
coarse birch
and they have nerfed stuff well before
royal vortex
and still being some of the most obscene weapons in the game
coarse birch
they did try buffing enemies
fair igloo
that's a fair point
fading vale
I'm sure we can agree that no class should ever have 90% DR basically for free right
fair igloo
I'm sure we can agree that no class should ever have 90% DR basically for free r...
wait no leave ogryn alone 😭
royal vortex
I'm sure we can agree that no class should ever have 90% DR basically for free r...
even shit like 50% dr at max is pushing it imo
coarse birch
the guys i 2 shot and can spotdodge
south folio
even shit like 50% dr at max is pushing it imo
enduring faith owo
south folio
OwO
royal vortex
wait no leave ogryn alone 😭
ogryn has way too much passive defense and way too little active defense
south folio
i took gunner res off of my curios cuz of enduring faith
fading vale
remember when people defended 75% crit TDR
royal vortex
i actually didnt join the disc until after the first balance changing stuff
coarse birch
ogryns survivability is legit offensive
royal vortex
i was not here for the fleshtearer lacerate bleed op
fading vale
I got called toxic etc many times for calling 75% crit TDR broken and what not
royal vortex
lmao
fair igloo
I'm honestly mostly just worried that major nerfs for every class is going to change or ruin alot because changes like that are definitely nothing small
Which is why i'm like "overthinking the nerfs"
royal vortex
im at the point where i mostly just play sharpshooter vet w/o grenade regen because there's too many options on classes that simply shut down gameplay
fading vale
I mean they have kind of fucked the whole balance of the game
so what other option is there other than a rebalance
south folio
I'm honestly mostly just worried that major nerfs for every class is going to ch...
something to think about is that fatshark is also going to not want to piss off their community, cuz boy i would not want to poke at that nest either
fading vale
also difficulty levels exist, not everyone needs to be able to do auric damnation+ for free
royal vortex
something to think about is that fatshark is also going to not want to piss off ...
games are the fkin WORST
south folio
so true i hate games
royal vortex
its kinda absurd how fatshark has a following of people who will just shit on literally everything they do
coarse birch
yeah they cant do anything now
south folio
fatshark nerfed the psword and was then quiet for a long time afterwards for a reason (g*mers)
coarse birch
there is a reason we dont get communications
fading vale
plasma nerf would be like railgun nerf
coarse birch
because people cant fathom enganging their braincells to pass the hardest diff
fair igloo
One of the biggest examples i'm thinking of w/ games getting ruined is overwatch with how the developers primarily rely on number tweaks to buff/nerf and balance after their readjustment/rebalance and we can kinda see how well that game is doing now so I just feel like taking a huge leap with a big redesign is a really big risk that can snowball really easily but that might be a dumb take
fair igloo
that's trueee but even the comp players that's stuck with it since the beginning agree that OW1 was leagues better somehow
and then ow2 went on steam and stole the record for lowest rated/reviewed game on the platform
fading vale
I'm not sure about the current meta but I think they would disagree as to when OW1 was the dumb tank and shield meta
south folio
though the low rating was primarily because of reasons besides balance
fading vale
but idk how it is now
fair igloo
Current meta is just supports currently
They did ANOTHER rebalance where they gave every character 50 health, health regen, and changed the passive ability all DPS characters have to try and remedy it but like
fading vale
right, they promised a bunch of things and were like here have OW1 relabeled
fair igloo
blizzard devs will be blizzard devs
They also ruined the hitboxes
fair igloo
though the low rating was primarily because of reasons besides balance
It was both balance and the cash shop iirc
like at the time there was nothing redeemable about the game
fading vale
if darcy comes back ill start getting wasting again
"again"
fading vale
oh so you just do it alone now
fading vale
south folio
It was both balance and the cash shop iirc
and the general sentiment of ow2 replacing overwatch 1 for no reason
fair igloo
and the general sentiment of ow2 replacing overwatch 1 for no reason
YAAA THAT
basically is what i'm most worried about
fair igloo
if the changes are like TOO major the people that enjoyed the game for what it was are going to obv be upset
and I kinda like the gameplay for how it is rn but that might just be my low standards
fading vale
im not wasted
bro I know how this goes and please stop as soon as possible
zealous basin
:)
spiral anvil
Are we getting darktide 2
zealous basin
i didnt say its good i just said im not wasted
south folio
if the changes are like TOO major the people that enjoyed the game for what it w...
yeah but it's not like balance stuff is also getting monetization changes alongside the package and whatnot
and whatnot
fair igloo
that's fairrr i'm just most worried about it from the gameplay side of the situation
south folio
at the end of the day, you can be comforted by the fact that darktide has a shitty community and that fatshark is afraid to poke at that bee's hive
coarse birch
really glad people here can think logically and not get upset when their braindead mindless easy mode weapon gets nerfed
fair igloo
speaking of which i think i'll crack me a cider
and make sure to drink in moderation pls :(
spiral anvil
Are we the shitties 🤔
coarse birch
god forbid my hard game is hard
fading vale
played HD2 since patch and was like oh wow, not 3 railguns and woah people are using the laser cannon
royal vortex
really glad people here can think logically and not get upset when their brainde...
just wait until the next balance patch lmfao
royal vortex
played HD2 since patch and was like oh wow, not 3 railguns and woah people are u...
lascannon is so fun
south folio
just wait until the next balance patch lmfao
i can't believe they ruined X weapon
fair igloo
I'm actually so glad they made a few of the unusable strategems viable now I just hope they're eventually able to do that with everytrhing
fair igloo
I remember first trying the laser cannon and being so disappointed 😭
fading vale
chainsword so unusable now
royal vortex
"stupid devs only nerfing stuff and not buffing underperforming weapons"
coarse birch
my void strike was unusable
fading vale
I remember first trying the laser cannon and being so disappointed 😭
try it on bots now
south folio
also, some nerfs to comfort yourself with are the assail and voidstrike nerf
royal vortex
says the man playing the patch where the majority of changes were buffs
spiral anvil
Railgun malding mainly just boils down to chargers suck and now they suck even more.
fair igloo
Also the breaker spray and pray not being able to destroy eggs pre buff
south folio
believe it or not, they were nerfed, and theyre still really fucking good
spiral anvil
In a chargerless world railgun nerf would be positively received
fair igloo
believe it or not, they were nerfed, and theyre still really fucking good
That's a really good point actually yea
Ig fatshark has a good history of not overnerfing most things
royal vortex
chargers are one of the least aggravating enemies in the game imo
spiral anvil
Nuh uh when you got 8 of them
royal vortex
theyre just annoying to actually deal with instead of stunlocking you or instakilling you
fading vale
if people knew how chargers worked then it would be less bad but I can agree they seem annoying relative to other enemies
royal vortex
the question is always why do u have that many enemies and the answer is oftentimes because people aggro every patrol
fair igloo
chargers are more annoying when you kill them mid charge and then their ragdoll hits you and lands on top of you and now you're stuck under a corpse until it despawns 🥹
fading vale
cause it's not self explanatory that you can shoot charger legs when they are charging/sliding
spiral anvil
Or you shoot them with an EATs, they stagger but drift into you and kill you because ping
fading vale
and their weakspot isn't enough of a weakspot
spiral anvil
Latest dev post mentioned nerfing their overall health pool would be a brilliant change
fair igloo
Or you shoot them with an EATs, they stagger but drift into you and kill you bec...
and also sometimes they do this
north sedge
A friend of mine got killed by a hulk that very slowly tipped over and crushed him when it died, he was so pissed. All i took away was that it was fucking hilarious to watch the gisnt robot slowly tip over and crush a man
royal vortex
lmfao
fair igloo
(only the last like 5 secs are relevant)
spiral anvil
and also sometimes they do this
Are you having fun yet? Think of the variety of strategems you can bring now!
fading vale
and also sometimes they do this
I mean this is a fun part of the game that happens when you get into a bad situation, what's the problem
what do you expect to happen
not die when being battered and stuck between 2 chargers
spiral anvil
I want to take out my plasma gun and press VOC
fair igloo
I mean this is a fun part of the game that happens when you get into a bad situa...
There is no problem I just thought it was funny i got stuck between 2 chargers and wanted to show the clip :)
royal vortex
no match of helldivers is complete until u have used all ur reinforces
u get 20, u use 20
or u werent havin fun
SMH
south folio
u get 20, u use 20
kill mittins
fair igloo
Like that's not rlly a balance problem it's just that I didn't have my anti armor gear with me I would have died either way
drifting wolf
we had a bot blitz mission yesterday and the layout had an outpost with an all-seeing eye, that was fun
fair igloo
i just thought it was really funny being tossed around like a ragdoll and then getting stuck. one of my fave clips 💞
spiral anvil
we had a bot blitz mission yesterday and the layout had an outpost with an all-s...
Bot drop detected
fair igloo
fading vale
I'm still annoyed with the armor, I went into a mission looking like the Michelin man today and just got insta deleted anyways with no noticeable difference in damage taken 
north sedge
fair igloo
also helldivers' biomes can look so beautiful sometimes
fading vale
the planets are nice
ripe quest
A friend of mine got killed by a hulk that very slowly tipped over and crushed h...
My favorite death was when I shot a jetpack trooper out of the sky and it rocketed me into a bunch of berserkers. I didn't see my player die but I just saw some looney toons shit where they all were swinging and I died.
ripe quest
Dead Chargers do that sometimes too
royal vortex
i got trapped under a dead bile titan until it birthed me out some time later
fair igloo
My favorite death was when I shot a jetpack trooper out of the sky and it rocket...
The amount of times i've went "I'M GOING TO GO DOWN FIGHTING" only to get rocketed at my legs and then die to fall damage is amazing
ripe quest
Some weapons will tip them onto their head and they'll fall onto their back and crush you lmao
spiral anvil
The worst thing about bringing smoke grenades is that you can't even reset yourself if you get stuck stepdiver
fair igloo
HD2 is just really really fun w/ its physics
ripe quest
This death of Dough though was super funny
royal vortex
the only thing i wish is that shit wouldnt get launched super far into the air randomly when they die even if it is funny
fading vale
it captures the starship troopers chaotic kinda vibe really well with the physics and what not
fair igloo
royal vortex
watching a charger take to the skies because u hit its leg with an assault rifle is comical but just looks like the game breaking more than an organic wacky moment
north sedge
My favorite death was when I shot a jetpack trooper out of the sky and it rocket...
On the ice planet a rocket hit me but did not kill me, however the impact caused me to slide on my belly across the ice at high velocity for like 100ft until i slammed my head into a wall
fair igloo
On the ice planet a rocket hit me but did not kill me, however the impact caused...
I use the 50% chance to evade death armor solely for moments like these
i want to survive a really stupid situation just so I can die in a more comical way
ripe quest
north sedge
I embrace my looney tunes death
fair igloo
OH MY GOD HAHAHAHA
fading vale
also punching teammates is glorious
spiral anvil
I thought you would have been out of the aoe of the 500 
fair igloo
had a teammate punch me off a ledge because i was taking too long on the pipe puzzle only for him to tell me i was actually only 2 moves away 💔
ripe quest
I wish I clipped me punching stan and he yelled as he was half a foot away from falling off a cliff
fading vale
man I really wish I had the clip of me killing dough with a yeeted impact nade
that might be my best gamer moment ever
fading vale
I just had a stray thought to try and nade you while we were running away after YOU EXECUTED ME
north sedge
I found you guilty of precrime
fair igloo
https://streamable.com/hkktai
The explosions weren't actually the airstrike that was from your helldiver's ultimate body slam attack
north sedge
My body wasn't ready for it
royal vortex
I just had a stray thought to try and nade you while we were running away after ...
never felt more personally targeted than when he ran up and punched me with an impact grenade
north sedge
I'll never forget josho turning around, screaming and dick cheneying my face off because he thought i was a robot
fair igloo
wait can u actually melee while cooking grenades
fading vale
impact nades just immediately explode so
royal vortex
I'll never forget josho turning around, screaming and dick cheneying my face off...
i feared for my life
south folio
officer kronk self defense
fair igloo
impact nades just immediately explode so
i'm going to grenade punch robots
i have a 50% chance to live it's optimal
ripe quest
I got a message blocked and I have no clue how it got blocked
royal vortex
rip
ripe quest
@delicate shadow Please tell me how this is restricted language
royal vortex
yup
north sedge
delicate shadow
<@159521795853123584> Please tell me how this is restricted language
I'll see if I can get that resolved lmao
ripe quest
Truly a gentlemen's vocabulary.
fading vale
I was watching an anime earlier and one of the subtitles was fingertips and I misread it as that stan quote
I'm tainted
north sedge
Lol
light holly
polar nexus
Fucking is ok but not finger ing?
north sedge
Woah careful with that last word, too sexually charged
fading vale
the censor in this server has been notoriously bad for it's entire existence
and it's mostly pointless cause you can just slightly modify anything or use a space and it's fine....
calm salmon
I'm not exaggerating when I say that a meteor storm has ended 10 of my matches today because people leave the second they die to one during a horde fight on an objective
they're a dogshit addition to the game
I may be able to put up with them, but the randoms clearly cannont
and that's NOT healthy for the game
fading vale
yeah if only there was a bright circle or something on the ground to indicate them
calm salmon
yeah if only there was a bright circle or something on the ground to indicate th...
hey fun fact
fading vale
or you could see the angle and use terrain to avoid them
calm salmon
it lies to you if you're not the host
north sedge
I enjoy when a meteor fongers me
calm salmon
also
terrain is rng
not every map is mountainous
fenrir iii happens to a giant fucking field
spiral anvil
Meteors might be bad, but volcano rocks leave fire on the floor and it's even more toxic
calm salmon
with maybe one cliff
they just need to not spawn literally right on top of you no matter what
its pretty gamey
they should zone players out of part of the map instead
fading vale
it seems like you would benefit from having online friends to play games with
calm salmon
which would be far more interesting if you can't run somewhere against enemies because meteor storm is over there
north sedge
Zone would be lame
spiral anvil
They also fall and in fixed pattern, looks more like an orbital bombardment than a natural disaster
calm salmon
Zone would be lame
so randomly killing 7 people is not lame
in a game about limited respawns
fading vale
how
calm salmon
but zoning would be
fading vale
do you go through 7 deaths
calm salmon
do you go through 7 deaths
the lights aren't properly synced if you're not the host
the message doesn't even show up at all if you're not the host
fading vale
I mean I wasn't the host
and I died uh, twice the first time I saw them and never again?
calm salmon
so you have no idea if there's a meteor storm until shit starts exploding around you
calm salmon
and I died uh, twice the first time I saw them and never again?
also
they break the pelican
like artillery does
but unlike artillery, I have no control over this environmental hazard
it just says "no samples for the team"
fading vale
oh no I can't get further over the sample cap
calm salmon
they're buggy, inconsistent additions to the game
Lazorr I don't give a shit
but other people clearly do
and last I checked
this was a TEAM game
so yes, while I'm at 500/250/100 samples
my teammates are not, and its fucking stupid they can't even reliably extract because of a new environmental hazard
north sedge
I've seen the pelican take a direct meteor hit and be fine
calm salmon
I've seen the pelican take a direct meteor hit and be fine
And I've watched it get obliterated and broken by meteors
fading vale
I mean the pelican bug isn't really related to meteors
spiral anvil
Wait it does? I always nuke it and bomb it every time
fading vale
everyone nukes it lol
it seems like people are somehow misunderstanding HD2 is a fun game
and tryna be ultra gamers or something
fair igloo
uh oh
calm salmon
Wait it does? I always nuke it and bomb it every time <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322...
You can make the pelican not be able to extract by:
Shooting the jets with the railgun, eagle airstrike, eagle 500, eagle clusterbomb, 120mm and 380mm barrages
hulk and devastator rockets
though those two take way more than our funny orbitals
but they will break the pelican
and now the meteors
calm salmon
with 0 effect
it has to hit the jets
spiral anvil
and tryna be ultra gamers or something
I mean yea but so why they nerfing our weapons 🤔
calm salmon
and the eagle 500kg has an inconsistent damage profile at best anyway
In any case
my biggest gripe with the meteor storms is during fights
fading vale
I mean yea but so why they nerfing our weapons 🤔
fuck the old railgun and you know it
calm salmon
You just can't do anything about it
dodging 9 chargers
now I need to somehow dodge meteors on top of this too
Its just really badly designed and randomly takes a bunch of respawns from your team for no reason
vast radish
melk has this for me today, thoughts?
stable cypress
that damage roll 
vast radish
yeah that's what i was thniking
melk's been real lazy about having weapons i actually want
he's only had one staff available on my psyker in that last few days
vast radish
i don't even care about the gear i just want the blasted blessings
fading vale
oops I meant maybe bought 10 things
calm salmon
not worth buying t4 wrath either imo
maybe one day they buff it to stay around if you whiff a hit
copium.gif
vast radish
my hand cannon's fine now, i got the blessings on it i wanted, i just need to work on getting a proper bloody eviscerator
stable cypress
yeah if you have a bunch of milkbucks anyways than sure fill out the stamp collection lol
vast radish
that or maybe try a hammer, i run crit spam with eviscerator, and i like eviscerators since they comfortably deal with ragers
really my level of "do i like this weapon?" burns down to 'can this delete ragers instantly?'
it's why i love the helbore so much on veteran, just...stab the bugger repeatedly.
toxic sluice
After seeing the latest cosmetic drop, what are the chances Fatshark ever adds a Redemptionist set to the game? Its literally all I want 😭
vast radish
well tested out my current hammer, guess i gotta get one of these things properly built up
juuuust gotta pray i get Thrust
river condor
really my level of "do i like this weapon?" burns down to 'can this delete rager...
Every weapon deal with ragers
I usually run dodge/speed build cause I believe movement is key on this game
And so I have to pick throwing knives
And these mothafackas knives
Thrown to the head one shots ragers
If you are true Crit build you should be playing the charge right?
Charge knock backs ragers letting atleast 2 of them open to be defeated by melee
If you are precise and quick enough
(scab ragers hmmm I deal with charging revved attack> release> slide before the hit reach to get distance)
spiral anvil
Most weapon specials will stagger ragers, if you loop special + attack you can deal with solo ragers without any fuss.
The more ragers there are you just have to bait them such that only is attacking you at a time, then do the above.
Alternatively use a crusher or a gun lol
wind pier
The island... It calls to the strongest! It called to me.
dusky mountain
does any of the new cosmetics change the zealots voice???
drowsy steppe
Fr
delicate shadow
so true
mighty kelp
What's the new zealot drip? Is it good ?
dusky mountain
im wondering if any of them changes zealots voice
royal vortex
slow pubs are paid actors for the scoreboard padding mafia
gray ice
hello its me scoreboard padding mafia we agreed you wouldn't do this in public anymore
back to your sewer
royal vortex
lmao
i got 1 million damage in a warren hi5 pub and at the end i told them "you guys need to scan more" because they legit refused to do any of the scans for the end event
and a smiteker who joined halfway through told me i was bad
sir ur contribution was putting a bubble down where nobody needed it and stunning enemies pointlessly
gray ice
its always the worst ones that pipe up the most
royal vortex
dumb takes, dumber person.
frozen glen
what the duck
royal vortex
quack
south folio
what the duck
i'm going to duck you
you will be the most perfect and most beautiful duck
drowsy steppe
quackity duckity
south folio
bastards
frank night
royal vortex
mittins
left iron
fading vale
guck
oak ermine
Cool. Why share this here?
terse seal
I got lost
drowsy steppe
Ain't readin all that but cool tho 🔥
oak ermine
There certainly is a will behind how FS works
I don’t know why people get so dedicated to be doom-say-e about it
delicate shadow
<@159521795853123584> Please tell me how this is restricted language
ok fixed lol
or should be fixed anyway
delicate shadow
fingered was supposed to be it pretty sure
stone fern
drowsy steppe
Automod is truly a puzzle
terse seal
I finger fucked my medi pack key
drowsy steppe
HUH
stone fern
i fat finger
stone fern
back in my day we had to filter every single instance of a bad word with dyno
ashen pecan
back in my day we didn't censor shit
stone fern
oh no i just filtered every single possible spelling of "brap"
terse seal
oh no i just filtered every single possible spelling of "brap"
I hate that word so much
stone fern
that was the real start of brainrot
delicate shadow
well the server needs the automod sadly because people refuse to not sling out slurs
royal vortex
darktide hasnt been updated in a year what else am i supposed to do
stone fern
Yeah slur update lets goo
polar nexus
Casual 1m dmg gettin back in the saddle, ya love to see it
i wonder how you do casual 1M... yesterday i did 600k+ with my plasma vet, had to solo clutch... revive an impossible number of time, that was too much work
lusty turtle
Yeah slur update lets goo
Ye theyre introducing automod to darktide, its first order was to remove ogryn
royal vortex
lmfao
royal vortex
i have put an inhuman amount of time into ogryn (any at all)
lusty turtle
i have put an inhuman amount of time into ogryn (any at all)
Im sorry to hear that, will you ever recover?
royal vortex
it's terminal 😔
oak ermine
it's terminal 😔
We’re in this together, then, my Ogryn has the most levels of all my rejects
left iron
Woo scab melee 
dense field
Onlyscabs dot com
ember yew
gray ice
i wonder how you do casual 1M... yesterday i did 600k+ with my plasma vet, had t...
Well Marty hsword/kant on zealot is op for starters
Director was mostly just bloodthirsty
Once the mission started I don't think the spawns ever stopped
left iron
Just be ahead of your team killing everything 
frozen glen
never
frozen glen
i have done nothing to warrant this judgmental stare from a feline
left iron
stone fern
Director was mostly just bloodthirsty
i feel like yesterday was harder for some reason than the rest of this week
gray ice
it really be like that sometimes
grizzled tusk
i feel like yesterday was harder for some reason than the rest of this week
Hotfix fixed spawn rates, maybe that's why?
I think it went live yesterday
ember yew
the insane spawns are back, yeah
grizzled tusk
Good
stone fern
when exactly did the patch go live?
im not sure if it was just that i only won one damnation game yesterday
ember yew
march 6
stone fern
idk then 6th it was fine 7th it was hard
ember yew
Fixed an issue where the amount of enemies spawning during missions was lower than intended.
stone fern
i played auric damnation and it was legit easier than normal damnation
not just because of the team
one mission we got 6 crushers righat at the start of a game that doesnt even happen in auric
ember yew
could be they messed up normal damnation spawns, as i only play auric and maelstrom, can't say anything about what's "normal" for basic damnation
but it's always a possibility with FS
grizzled tusk
On steam the post is from 6th 13:38 CET and it says the patch is already live on steam and will be soon on other platforms
stone fern
i usually do 1/2 aurics for dockets then the rest regular for plasteel
sharp oyster
How do you build with knifes
grizzled tusk
one mission we got 6 crushers righat at the start of a game that doesnt even hap...
I think that can be a normal damnation spawn on that map with high open staircase at the beginning
You know, that black and yellow industrial map
stone fern
idk it was only yesterday that things got far harder
ember yew
How do you build with knifes
my personal favorite at the moment is Uncanny Strike (mandatory) and either Lacerate or Flesh Tearer, if using Lacerate, then it's a momentum build, if using Flesh Tearer, it's a Crit build. Ranged weapon can be whatever you prefer.
grizzled tusk
I miss distinct maps from VT2
I was at least able to recall and name them
Now it's 69-FU-420-KEK or sth like that...
sharp oyster
my personal favorite at the moment is Uncanny Strike (mandatory) and either Lace...
What about weaponry and blessings
obtuse stirrup
left iron
What about weaponry and blessings
This is my standard knife setup https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b83a15a-9fc2-4646-8de0-32eaf3c66792/standard-knoife?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
fading vale
I wonder how much it confuses people when we have names like Lars Lars Give Give Xylophone
left iron
Whatever do you mean
royal vortex
carolina cthulu has a nice ring to it
out of the random nonsense sometimes the monkey on the typewriter produces something of note
fading vale
This is my standard knife setup https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b83a15...
I swear this is missing a point
royal vortex
if u read the description u can see that it is
left iron
I swear this is missing a point
It is, read the description
fading vale
oh why the hell would I ever read a description on gameslantern
sharp oyster
This is my standard knife setup https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b83a15...
Hmmm
quaint verge
<a:cat_stare:964151226423984138>
quaint verge
quaint verge
left iron
cat_stare
lusty turtle
plz do, i wish for death
royal vortex
its not fun if u want it wtf
quaint verge
noted 
lusty turtle
(do not actually spam it its just the pet chat)
nimble fiber
love is a burning thing and it makes a fiery ring 
quaint verge
Use the fire to cook
ember yew
Ye theyre introducing automod to darktide, its first order was to remove ogryn
finally my bullets wont be stuck in that big thicc as
spare talon
Average zealot pre-mission ritual
fading vale
(do not actually spam it its just the pet chat)
stable cypress
average bolter zealot getting ready to shoot one marksman https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3injDnvAyRg
frank night
lusty turtle
but ye this isn't a "no cat pics" just a don't flood the channel
yii i have a border collie
fading vale
Oh I know it was just the perfect opportunity to be sassy
left iron
I might be able to adopt this lil lass
lusty turtle
was playin with yoshi the other day and she was cloppin about in the background
left iron
Waiting for a response from the adoption home
lusty turtle
I might be able to adopt this lil lass <a:Peepo_SipSpin:1003843534744469524>
shes so pretty 
fading vale
https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046913589614747719/121498026838...
aww I love the sleeping on paws thing
I used to have dogs that would lay on their stomach with back legs spread
quaint verge
Waiting for a response from the adoption home
whats the name of it?
hopefully not something like this
sharp oyster
First consecrated shotgun
quaint verge
sharp oyster
Salvageable or trash bin
river condor
https://tenor.com/view/indiana-jones-shot-gif-11119391
So damn true lmao
sharp oyster
its very nice
Hadron not making fun of me for the first time???? 
sharp oyster
is it on zealot?
Yes
left iron
Its Hadrons off day
quaint verge
chorus or?
sharp oyster
chorus or?
Prob , I still don't know how to use these weapons properly
quaint verge
if you use the charging ult, you can keep the caraspace and set flak to max value
so 25% flak instead of tthe 20%
left iron
flak and carapace good on boltgun right
Carapace is eh, gloryhunter -> cavalcade is what i would defo change though
sharp oyster
What if I use chorus instead
boreal cedar
Carapace is eh, gloryhunter -> cavalcade is what i would defo change though
what would you use for perks then
quaint verge
unyielding instead of cara and fire frenzy to t4
quaint verge
unyielding if you like to shoot ogryns without caraspace
left iron
If you use chastise fury of the faithful carapace is okay, flak/maniacs/unyielding would be my go-to without it though
quaint verge
my melee deals with unyielding fine enough i think
im not talking to you tho 
boreal cedar
If you use chastise ~~fury of the faithful~~ carapace is okay, flak/maniacs/unyi...
been using shroud
quaint verge
im helpinh cairngorm
boreal cedar
im not talking to you tho <a:PepeWtfRainbow:1194472533580320848>
so real
left iron
You can keep as is, carapace isnt the worst to have
boreal cedar
what ennemies are flak
quaint verge
but yea, chastise gonna set the value to flaks value, while being caraspace still
boreal cedar
elites more specificly
left iron
But you can play around with it, since its the one you changed already, and see if you prefer one of the others
quaint verge
what ennemies are flak
almost everything except crusher and helmet on maulers
quaint verge
what is the special ammo for¿?
apply dragonfiire
its like a flamer, but with pellets
boreal cedar
But you can play around with it, since its the one you changed already, and see ...
its mostly i've been running into issues on crushers and mauler groups
so i thought carapace would be good against those
quaint verge
so i thought carapace would be good against those
body armor on maulers are flak
left iron
Cavalcade will help you with that as well, and mauler bodies are flak
boreal cedar
i keep forgetting
quaint verge
aim at heads on crushers
boreal cedar
what else is carapace then outside of mauler head and crusher
boreal cedar
aim at heads on crushers
its kinda hard when i've been magdumping
i dont really take the time to aim in the head with it
i just get close and use my hammer if theres only like 2
left iron
If you feel like using chastise, it 'downgrades' the enemy armor by one level for 5 seconds for ranged while still using the carapace perk as damage increase, so crusher groups can be mowed down faster
sharp oyster
its like a flamer, but with pellets
Fire Frenzy to IV if I get one what about Deathspitter
polar nexus
what else is carapace then outside of mauler head and crusher
A part of the reaer belly is flak or carapace iirc
polar nexus
Fire Frenzy to IV if I get one what about Deathspitter
Fire Frenzy to no respite
boreal cedar
If you feel like using chastise, it 'downgrades' the enemy armor by one level fo...
i dont really feel like it because my build is based on trying to deal as much damage to abominations in one hit
its fun
i can deal like 70% of their health in one hit i think with a combat stim
polar nexus
Or deathspitter to no respite... You want no respite
boreal cedar
might get that
sharp oyster
But does burning actually does something ¿?
left iron
Kant shotgun burn ammo goes through bulwark shields iirc, and can be used to snipe snipers from long distance
2 hits with the special will kill a sniper
sharp oyster
Kant shotgun burn ammo goes through bulwark shields iirc, and can be used to sni...
Hmmm I see
ember yew
twbs ?
i run twbs on most builds, you dont get to use much of punishment because hammers dont use crit builds
boreal cedar
i run twbs on most builds, you dont get to use much of punishment because hammer...
impact is stagger right
ember yew
yeah
boreal cedar
i cant cleave through maulers with a 5 stack right
ember yew
it does not affect cleave, so yeah
boreal cedar
alright was just wondering
left iron
And what's with the Agripinaa shotgun
Its more of a vet gun tbh. Its more of a DMR than a shotgun
boreal cedar
hammer has infinite cleave so its not possible to not get stopped when hitting a mauler if im not mistaken
or im i
boreal cedar
maulers in groups of ennemies are my bane
sharp oyster
feels like a real shotgun lol
ember yew
maulers in groups of ennemies are my bane
you can use a flamer or any of braced autoguns and shoot them in the body
all 3 braced guns are viable
basically something like this and you will easily obliterate any obstacles (aka trash mobs) so you can get your target, just be wary of bulwarks and crushers
coarse dagger
maulers in groups of ennemies are my bane
Devil's Claw parry
ember yew
same blessing and perks, could be any of 3 braced guns
fading vale
hammer has infinite cleave so its not possible to not get stopped when hitting a...
it does not
at base a hammer can hit 2 maulers
3 with thrust
and maybe 4 with thrust and slaughterer maxed
if you don't hit their head
carapace stops all cleave outside of a couple blessings
quaint verge
fire applies burning stacks
left iron
I still don't know how to use this weapon at all
A few useful things to know about kant shotgun. The special pierces bulwark shields and kills them in 3 hits from the front, and chastising lets you do the same thing you do the everything else to crushers
sharp oyster
I saw that my concern is I'm too used to play Gunlugger ogryn so i have to get used to this
you know, fighting 5 bullwarks and crushers at the same time
I'm not entirely sure about my role as a Zealot
fading vale
5 bulwarks and crushers you can just fire special spam and then chastise and clean up with melee
but yeah I wouldn't compare things to ogryn
they are quite busted right now
depending on the weapons and build you use I'd say zealot is the most grounded with a standard build, but you can also make zealot fairly busted
fading vale
it does but you are gonna have a hard time dealing with several things by yourself, I'd also swap the chorus upgrade for TWBS
the first build is what I would call standard zealot
could run a similar build with a different blitz too if you wanted
and also I'd pretty much always take duelist
sharp oyster
I have it in both trees
Also how does exactly Martydom works, what does missing wound mean?
left iron
The segments of your health are called wounds
fading vale
missing a health segment, doesn't need to be corrupted
sharp oyster
Yes I know but missing means corrupted or just empty
I guess you need to be at low health to have that bonus?
left iron
Either is fine
fading vale
low health is the max bonus but you don't need to do it on purpose, I'd just play normally and get the bonus when it happens
that way you can also get the gains from restoring faith and bleed for the emperor
trim zenith
Am i the only one who just never runs momentum? It's the very poster child of "mid" in the zealot tree.
Guess you can't go wrong with stock standard
fading vale
momentum is great
it just kind of buffs everything
all attack speed, dodges, all damage
trim zenith
Yeah it provides a mid buff with a much lower ceiling than piety and martyr
Guess it's just lacking the fun factor for me
sharp oyster
What is the purpose of Loner
fading vale
neither piety or marty are interactive at all really
momentum is the only one where you could actually try to max stacks with dodges
and use a bit of timing
piety is a boring flat buff
and marty is well, take less damage and get stronger when you take damage
trim zenith
Not just the keystones but the wholistic builds they enable
They do something different than just give stats
that's all momentum is, a stat stick
fading vale
crit CDR should die in a fire but other than that they are all kind of boring to a degree
trim zenith
Compared to what? We're only talking zealot here. Even if they're all boring, some are less so at least.
fading vale
What is the purpose of Loner
uh, mostly that coherency effects spawns on you I guess, and you can regen a little bit of toughness when you are running around in stealth if it's a stealth build
lusty turtle
piety is a boring flat buff
i wish piety did something cool
the toughness gen is neat on the left side of it, and it becoming a team buff
but its just kinda so passive u don't notice it
fading vale
I mean we have, free 25% crit, take less damage and do more damage when you are low health, and build stacks of momentum by moving and dodging to gain more of everything
lusty turtle
momentum atleast affects dodges
trim zenith
It's not just low health, wound builds fundamentally change your playstyle
trim zenith
that's pretty simplistic
royal vortex
keystones generally should be the major theme of a build but in most cases they are just stat bonuses
lusty turtle
vet keystones are activer and require you to do specific actions to be rewarded
fading vale
I suppose if you are really committing you can go low health on purpose but there's no compelling reason to do so
lusty turtle
all 3 zealot keystones just happen
lavish flame
comparing zealot passives to say, vet keystones
Dont tell vets that
trim zenith
min-maxing wounds is pretty nuanced
lavish flame
They hate having to "work" for it
royal vortex
none of the zealot keystones really care about a plasytyle. blazing piety really only has the limiter that you generally want a weapon that does something on crits but thats most melees and a decent number of the ranged options
lusty turtle
They hate having to "work" for it
this is why i don't go to vet chat 
fading vale
take bleed for the emperor, take restoring faith if you want, and then just face tank the game with marty and a spam weapon
royal vortex
my biggest grievance with focus target is that it just has the best stamina regen of any of the keystones or the branches leading up to it
lavish flame
this is why i don't go to vet chat <a:AmeliaTopKekA:827607018726359130>
They are still convinced volver only has 5 shots
lusty turtle
none of the zealot keystones really care about a plasytyle. blazing piety really...
i will say in blazing pieties favour
crits enable some blessing interactions which can be fun (shotgun crit blessings come to mind) but generally speaking its just kinda nothing
royal vortex
i will say in blazing pieties favour
crits enable some blessing interactions wh...
a big problem is that too many crit rider effects are talent based
like the stupid crit cdr thing
lusty turtle
yes
royal vortex
not enough weapons do something cool on crit whether that be baseline or on a blessing
lusty turtle
i HOPE this changes in the future
actions with rewards are fun
i LOVE weapon specialist and marksman focus
royal vortex
manstopper/flechette lawbringer with weapon specialist is awesome
lusty turtle
EXACTLY
royal vortex
playing focus target with my bolter build reminded me how god awful the tagging system is in this game
lusty turtle
They are still convinced volver only has 5 shots
people still tell me MF is bad
royal vortex
like genuinely it's unmitigated dogshit and i cant believe i dont see ppl complaining about it
lusty turtle
and that exe is "only good for 3 weapons"
lavish flame
people still tell me MF is bad
The avg vet cant hit heads
lusty turtle
😔
lavish flame
and that exe is "only good for 3 weapons"
VoC too gud im sry
sharp oyster
people still tell me MF is bad
MF?
lusty turtle
oh also josho, i ran exe MF bolter
royal vortex
oh also josho, i ran exe MF bolter
i hope u realize the weapon is bad because uh
pull out time
sharp oyster
idk Veteran content I've seen on YT are always people angry
lusty turtle
oh also josho, i ran exe MF bolter
heres the bolter
sharp oyster
Stop this stop saying this is good idk I don't play veteran because boring mechanics
fading vale
even though they are incredibly strong
royal vortex
unfathomably based although i think flak gets u a mauler BP at max MF stacks with a crit bodyshot
lusty turtle
didn't realise bolter literally doesn't need maniac on MF exe to one shot ragers
sharp oyster
heres the bolter
Never used one although I want to try it
trim zenith
take bleed for the emperor, take restoring faith if you want, and then just face...
There's a gap between selfish and selfless martyrdom players
left iron
Peesword nerf aftermath is still my favourite thing to happen to this game
royal vortex
didn't realise bolter literally doesn't need maniac on MF exe to one shot ragers
if u want to deadshotmax u unfortunately have to go focus target for the stam/toughness on tag kill node
lusty turtle
idk Veteran content I've seen on YT are always people angry
people don't like the fact that vet went form the easiest class to play to arguebly one of the hardest (excluding voice of command)
lusty turtle
if u want to deadshotmax u unfortunately have to go focus target for the stam/to...
na fuck that i run duck and dive
sharp oyster
people don't like the fact that vet went form the easiest class to play to argue...
Hardest in what context
royal vortex
with the ft stack refund thing (kill tagged guy within 2 seconds and it gives u a stack) u just always have stamina when adsing
lusty turtle
Hardest in what context
it requires some form of thought and planning to gear you take in, you can't just walk into a fight and spam left click
royal vortex
they need to replace the rending upgrade on marksman's with a stam on headshot kill one
hushed knoll
HELLO ZODIACAL ZEALOTS
nimble fiber
hello stan
drowsy steppe
history 
royal vortex
also i wish there was an option to opt out of getting overshield from shout vets
drifting wolf
what even was the nerf again
hushed knoll
hello stan
Daily reminder that stick bugs can’t dance
royal vortex
i dont want ur CRUTCH. i want to live life on the EDGE
hushed knoll
i dont want ur CRUTCH. i want to live life on the EDGE
Please don’t talk about edging here
sharp oyster
Need some explanation what happened there
fading vale
what even was the nerf again
uh it went from virtually infinite swings with pcycler to 3
nimble fiber
Daily reminder that stick bugs can’t dance
daily reminder that they literally can
fading vale
and vets lost their minds
drifting wolf
absolutely devastating
lusty turtle
Hardest in what context
basically they went from having an infinite cleave sword that did damage vs all armour types and perminent 75% damage resistance to all attacks, to 20 target cleave, needing specific attacks that spend stamina for heavier targets and lost most of the DR (50% when above 75% toughness remaining)
drifting wolf
truly
sharp oyster
DR?
sharp oyster
Ah I see
fading vale
yeah vets used to have permanent uptime on exe with 75% damage resistance and the highest base toughness, so they were invincible killing machines more or less
with 0 effort required
lusty turtle
Yup
sharp oyster
Is that what I'm understanding
fading vale
I wouldn't even call it particularly hard you just have to.... interact with the game
lusty turtle
Imo vet is the most fun class in the game right now with the most unique gameplay options
royal vortex
nah now u just have to take shout and u can put urself in terrible situations and come out unscathed
trim zenith
they need to replace the rending upgrade on marksman's with a stam on headshot k...
Crazy how they put a conditional 10% rending at the very bottom of the tree, consuming a limited keystone mod slot, when there's literally an unconditional 10% rending in the very next branch that takes less investment. Just failed design.
sharp oyster
Oi what are the differences between each Autogun for Zealot and what are their purposes?
nimble fiber
Daily reminder that stick bugs can’t dance
lusty turtle
Theres 9 autoguns, which group you looking at?
lusty turtle
Braced, headhunter or infantry
sharp oyster
Theres 9 autoguns, which group you looking at?
9?
hushed knoll
https://youtu.be/WvRH3OTJJuw?feature=shared
No
sharp oyster
Eh...
hushed knoll
Braced, headhunter or infantry
Hello Mr Lincoln
drifting wolf
infantry columnus has the ability to shoot and kill everything
fading vale
brautos are the most zealoty, run and gun hipfire, but the IAGs can kind of also do that especially the columnus IAG
fading vale
headhunters are just good single target with the right setup but don't use the agri HH
lusty turtle
Iags are normal assault rifles, braceds (the ak looking ones) are hip fire ones good for on the move stuff, headhunters are dmrs
lusty turtle
headhunters are just good single target with the right setup but don't use the a...
Agri hh is good, fight me 😤
sharp oyster
What about blessings
fading vale
brautos are fire frenzy and deathspitter
fading vale
IAGs are dum dum and FF/deathspitter/raking fire
lusty turtle
isn't it still fucked up
Its better than it was, much tighter, but i think it has the burst bug the vraks gets where sometimes it breaks if you fire fast enough
fading vale
vraks 3 is headhunter and deadly accurate
vraks 7 is surgical and deadly accurate
also btw fire frenzy and deathspitter work like anoint in blood now which I learned recently
dense field
knot ice
royal vortex
@lusty turtle
lusty turtle
🥹
lusty turtle
Scalp didn’t knot ice me
i was on my phone making a coffee
frank night
down he goes
lusty turtle
this is so fucked up
drowsy steppe
Scalp
lusty turtle
i am suing fatshark immediately
thats just a skill issue
frozen glen
what is that meter under ur crosshair
royal vortex
crit chance
frozen glen
crit chance?
royal vortex
impossible
lusty turtle
ye cause hes using surgical
fading vale
God that is so disgusting
fatshark and their here give everyone a billion crit motto
why
lusty turtle
im fighting the crit engine
royal vortex
are u srsly complaining about crits when this man just summoned 2 fkin reapers
lusty turtle
i just don't know if im strong enough
left iron
frozen glen
i cant believe joel is game directoring every darktide instance
royal vortex
fatshark and their here give everyone a billion crit motto
focus target lets vet have infinite uptime on deadshot too which is free 25% ranged crit
fading vale
I did notice it was faster than plain surgical
royal vortex
weirdly enough bolter and vraks also get 0.2s stack time on surgical compared to revolver's 0.3s at t4
lusty turtle
i think that was to try and stop revolver out competing actual rifles
fading vale
that worked well didn't it
royal vortex
in some ways
the next step is banning anyone who has used a revolver in the last 30 days
frozen glen
cant be u cuz u only play ogryn
fading vale
the next step is banning anyone who has used a kickback in the last 30 days
royal vortex
so true
fading vale
the next next step is sending rumbler spammers to hell
royal vortex
i played with 1 ogryn abusing the lucky bullet bug
i tried to votekick him but the other pub was a mouthbreather ogryn as well
fading vale
clearly I was talking about you without that bug
frank night
https://streamable.com/5eb1dd <@94406045148917760>
aim issue
lusty turtle
every rumbler spam ogryn i found got netted and died
fading vale
why does Steve cry at me and not eat his food unless I go acknowledge it's there and move it around
lusty turtle
because he is made of stupid