#zealot-class
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Yup, but I'd like to stay with the MK II evis. I like the move set and I like the relative range, and overall it's just a very cool sword.
er, cool weapon*
This guy gets it
Give darktide a rock band mini game
My fav, got momentum and savage sweep on mine currently
looking to get a better MKII tho
I tried the II, I don't get what you're supposed to do vs single target though
XV feels comfier for me, although I resent being so target capped
Oh, it's AoE though so if u dodge and attack, it does huge AoE
Since the swipe covers like 80% of the screen, just dodge diagonal while attacking
if it's a rager, revolver. If it's anything else and I can get away with it, revved attack. If I can't get away with a revved attack, just chip at it, I guess.
errr horizontal
I run the bolter for this lol
only vs thicc targets or isolated specials
I know for groups it's H1 L2 L3
I used to run the bolter when I was playing solely with my pals, who were great at range, but playing with randos leaves a lot to be desired for range special removal.
Block repeat
So I switched to the revolver.
Or push attack into something
Bolter still works at distance or you can use cover and Chastise in
I guess the XV is just gonna be better for single target anyway
But yeah bolter is more of a mag dump IN YO FACE HERETICS weapon with optional ADS fire
Since it needs to be because it's a bit slow vs groups
What do you think of Rev It Up?
It's sub optimal since it takes another place
but I like it
Not bad but it depends on what ur trying to do
On a stealth build, if for some reason ur not going for knife op bleed stuff that could be really potent
But if you're like, trying to just monster mash the ever living shit out of mobs I think a cleave-based talent would be better.
Again it all depends on how you play though
Thinking about it, shroud + eviscerator and re it up/momentum could be gnarly
Shroudfield doesn't do anything with the rev on chain weapons.
Doesn't give the speed boost?
It'll give buffs and the guaranteed crit but none of the other damage related buffs.
Finesse and backstab damage from Shroudfield won't apply to the rev.
Yeah Rev only matters on special activation, no?
So that's normal
Rev just gives MS bonus
It's bugged, only applies to the chain weapons.
All other weapons get the effects normally.
Aww
Too bad
Otherwise u could do something like daggers/chain weapon/shroud build and just assasinate and get mass CDR for shroud off of big mobs
Then dip out when it gets to be too much
I know dagger can do it too, lacerate is silly lol but that feels like you sacrifice all of your mob capabilities
Frankly...I want lacerate on chain weapons. It makes sense.
Even if it has to have a hidden CD to stop the special from doing dumb bleed stacking
Yeah I can answer it
ok i already found out
but now its a quiz..
what transmog is this
Looks to be barioth
Yes
monster hunter needs mor snipers...
i dont wanna be close to that big fuckoff t-rex
WAIT
Yes
idk how to get any transmogs in this game
all i remember is I have to beat iceborne and thats already fuckoff hard
im never getting transmog
Which is available after killing overrated elder Dragon
😭
Ruiner nergigante
idk what these words are im COOKED
So for iceborne you mainly need to hunt the tempered version of a monster
I WANNA SHOOT FANTASY MONSTERS WITH GUNS RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
why cant I just transmog without beating the game 😭
so real bestie!!!
MHR has transmog too but imo it's easier to get the transmog
i want the fucking banbaro transmog for the male armor so bad
just a bigass cape
for no reason
I swear my bolter just PUMPS damage lol
100k dmg twin fights, constantly
anywhere from 98k to 110k
i wanna play everygame like this
ye, sometimes
Tried to see if there was another way for you to get it but unfortunately
But when you lay down some chain weapon special
it helps after you apply brittleness
just will take forever
just get max brittleness stack, then rev and lol
if im lucky I can get one of those japanese monster hunter rating 999 guys
The guiding lands grind fucking sucks wish I could help ya there
who can just solo fatalis
But my shits on the other side of the ocean
and the best part, even with that 100k boss dmg I was still doing things like killing 5x maulers
lol
So what weapon ARE you using
uhhhhhhhh
i use hbg
and a little bow
and some hunting horn
if I have to use melee i just use hammer
try the greatsword fr
i did....................
didnt lik it...
maybe cause I didnt spec into it
im not at a point where I can do big builds without completly uprooting what im doing at the current moment
idk why i have half the stuff I do in mhw rn
Nuh uh
Strong
Hell id say in whatever the hell you consider endgame for world it's arguably stronger than most weapons in the game
Real
dude
just farm the forest in the guiding lands lock the level and kill tempered banbaro
ah yes, the spicy, fragile pinata
A meme I made
its not a monster , its a Boeng B-52
One thing I’ve discovered after several hundred hours is that not having martydom stacks gets you into situations where you instantly lose all your health and trigger immortality when you would have otherwise handled the situation with ease and never had taken a hit if you just stood in fire at the start of the game
if only we had an intelligent way to lose HP instead of having to play poorly on purpose
beb
hello its me sekiro "shadows die" twice
i think i beat bazel
Stand in a fire barrel…
with help
Zero toughness damage just straight to health
bazelguse has very nsfw art openly on google imagse
standing in a fire barrel is the prime example of playing poorly on purpose
something better designed, to pull from another game, is Life Tap
this guy
or any of the pay Life for X in card games everywhere
Letting enemies hit you I would agree. Standing in fire taking zero toughness damage and having absolute control on just how far you want to edge lol that’s not playing poor what do you even mean behind semantics
Beyond semantics*
wait until you fight raging brachydios
there is no absolute control
the barrel being red and being during a safe time to use it is also not guarneteed, so even less control
the context surrounding how you do it is important
hi there, this is sekiro from 'sekiro' did u know my favorite things are jumping into ashina reservoir
your ass is never beating prime owl
wait untill i QUIT
i beat this game on ps5 already
hes just annoying
i beat owl father by using mortal blade for first phase 😭
bought it on pc to mod it up a little
let me pull up the proof
I think the only monster I had trouble with was nergigante
ok so i didnt record the last and prime cause i fought them by cheesing cause I was lazy
he should really show me where he gets all those consumables
but as substitute heres me fighting owl like a moron and not using any way to make it easier
sekiro on pc should be easier
less input lag
owl watching wolf fucking do the shimmy wimmy trying to deflect him
do not point out that I spam block
it's fine I never got that far
I got skill issued
the dark souls brain rot is too deep
u fucker
i used raven feather
for the last two
the ones i didnt upload.......
aged mist raven feather is super useful for them
you will die to messmer 900 times
im 2 broke for that dlc
and ill get elden ring on pc anyway
i have it on xbox series s and it blows
cant wait for 5 tree spirit reskins
should I get it on pc...
probably might be able to run it
heres me fighting genichrio
ill redo all of these on ng+
itl actualy be 5 reskinned demon titanite enemies
I actually really want demon enemies in elden ring
I loved them in DS
what is this ugly ass cosmetic
the aquila is cool but I wish it was on actual armor
got my katana!!!
hmmm time for more for honor
your gonna cheese the game with moonveil
4shitor
erm serkiro doesnt have moonveil..
my ass is going into the dlc with my magic cold infused spiked caestus build
show me all of them
Imagine putting yourself smack in the middle of the bell curve meme
matyrdom is our best capstone bar none and having the game knowledge to identify the best way to set it up are not mutually exclusive with the statement that standing in fire on purpose isn't a facet of playing poorly on purpose
the fire barrels are not intended to be our friends
great movie
im back............
Looks XXX rated
dude I be eating crusher heavies just to get marty stacks
Skill issue
The idea is to not trigger your cheat death though lol
Which is why barrels are the single best way to get martydom stacks with zero exception
2nd best is a bruiser
you can get one crusher heavy before dying
I have consistently got it so HR doesn't activate on them
autopistols aren't as good as they used to be
THey are difficult to get the most out of now
Imagine not using fire barrels because they aren’t your friend 💀
I mean besides the weapon the stats are pretty good
yeah
I would grab it just to have
I do inspiring barrage and blaze away on my autopistols
its why i bought it
saw 380 and i was like might as well
but I use autopistols for a specific reason
rather than because I think they are good
They're good for surprise trappers sometimes(sometimes it's just too late)
is this good?
they stagger / suppress zell
Not really
just rip shred 4 mate
Yeah just rip t4 shred if you own it
shredder is an important stats, generally, for chain weapons
Eugh I need to buy new headphones
I'm going to keep until I get a better one
that's fair
i forgot i dont have mikiri counter
or they are clumsy like me
Hard
I put my headphone on top of my pc case
why is it so bloom
it looks like some core type post
My headset costed ~80 dollars tho, so I don't want to break it lol
My headphones inhabit the demon core

Have resistance
Don't do it yam!
i will be silent
You have so much to live f- Oh good
What crusher blessings should I use to liberate Creek from the bots? Shadowheart is war cleric, Wyll is bladepact warlock and Karlach is just perfect.
impact
Don't forget Markiplier
Which one is Karlach? I forgot
Ok so after using a shit ton of gorilla glue and tape so it doesn't get in my hair
I think it's a lil better
The left side isn't completely falling off anymore
And it still works
So I'll keep using it
I know about wyll and shadowheart...
Till I get the money to buy a new one
This made me realize I'm a hypocrite for I get annoyed when my sister talks like this
But I do it too
Mine would be, but, my skull's thickness takes away from it
And... I... didn't even think about that
x.x
Never crossed my mind actually lol
Also doesn't it need a . to be a period joke?

A friend used to keep thinking every blood joke I made was..one of those
Oof
Only once was he right
Meanwhile it would go right over my head lol
I saw lol
The zealot and vet ones...
are so generic
at least the psyker looks sorta like a mad doctor
Holy Emperor that's a lot of premium bucks lol
And I don't blame you in the slightest, gotta catch the drip while it's fresh
The ogryn's armor is sick, ngl
i like zealot vest
the vest is neat, but, the hood looks so generic
and psyker eyes
Yeah the psyker glasses looks awesome
I mean you got the sarge, the executioner, the mad doctor, and the brute
i assume they glow in the dark
Even if they didn't, I still like them

dont make me zoom in on the textures pal
the textures look the exact same as any other fromsoft game
aka eh
nop
I've been using the heavy sword IX through most of my play so far. What am I missing by not using the heavy sword VII? I just grabbed the highest heavy sword on a dude's tier list. I'm not a zealot main
pull up ds3 textures
THEM BITCHES UGLY!!\
HEHE my resolution is messed up and it made wolf skinny
nvm thats scary looking
the 7 is the opposite of the 6, for heavies
that shrine is gonna eat me...
Oh, I can check the meaning of that from gameslantern
ew, not a fan
I prefer the 6 cause it has a downwards heavy 1
And it doesn't chain heavies 2 and 3 like the 9 does
Teach me your ways oh master!

fitgirl repacks...
the 9 is the prefered heavy sword in general
for the "meta"
I prefer the 6 way more, tho
Yeah, I think I like the strikedown into sweeps for heavy for horde, and block if you really need a overhead before reset
I just prefer not having to do the reset, and having both heavies do the same damage
It's more simple
easier for me to remember when panicking
I may be confused, gonna buy one for testing
the 6 and 7 have strikedown heavies
one of the heavies is just more of a sweeping one
understood
Also I like the relentless lights on the 6
The heavy swords boil down to preference, at the end of the day
One might perform a little better in this situation, but, if you prefer a different one then you will probably do better with it
True, they all kind of do the same thing with different attack patterns
Yep
I've been taking a break from my heavy sword usage to use the rashad for a bit
Feels nice having better armor pen
I've been rolling on a god roll 9 forever. I'm glad I do Ogryn and psyker 1/3 of the time or I'd have gone insane
who uses winrar anymore
the people of the distant past
the two tutorials i watched for how to mod sekiro
the ancient civilization from ages past
BOTH USED WINRAR
XD
I mean sekiro isn't exactly a new game lol
5 years is pretty old, nowadays
back in the day that would have been like a whole console in difference tho
Apparently 5 years ago, people used winrar... like I said: people from a different age

Put on a hazmat suit first
just in case
Might cause your pc to start leaking gamma radiation or something lol
oh shit
the textures on the right tho lol
hello its me sekiro
ok new mod
rip off
and i cant dot hat cause offline mode
He looks old now
Fair
not bad
Throw rampage over bloodthirsty and 25% flak over 10% crit hit damage and you're good
SS -> Ramp and Crit Hit to Flak and it's perfect.
yee Crusher chaining on the XV is fun
I was right about the flak tho lol
does the 15 have like really good cleave on the lights?
what about t4 shred?
I mean if you don't have rampage
rampage is better tho, cause it gives power
which multiplies with damage
I can always change it later?
Yeah
i pledge alligence to the state of gottdamn...
If you don't have rampage now you can use shred
beautiful..
pretty good for a from soft game
Looks cool
Plasma is ok
U sure about that? cause I think it is pretty mid

but yeah when the plasma user knows what they are doing...
they do the emperor's work
High cleave, 4 target cap. Cleave damage isn't phenomenal so having Rampage is very nice.
it's like 11 cleave by default, varying w/ cleave targets
Every time there is a plasma vet, I don't do much.
He used his plasma gun killed 730 lesser enemies, ammo is a problem in this game guys
so true
He took uh
So true
11 smalls
and 8 large
and 1 crate

I've done more damage with way less ammo use with a kickback
its time to fight explosive monster
Kickback is mad dumb ye
been gone for a while(a bit after stim update), did anything get significantly buffed/nerfed?
Only major changes since then was Orthus Offensive (new special assignment with a boss fight as the focus) and Patch 17 which only had a QoL Power Sword change.
Fatshark was gimped due to mandated vacation and also that they decided to work on another big update.
I love when I dive the gunners, two bulwarks suddenly show up no where.
Do bulwarks stop gunner's shots?
no, but they stop you.
Why Moebian 6th doesn't suffer as much from ogryns as we do?
When enemy has ogryns they suddenly shoot through them no problem
When our team has an ogryn he bravely block every shot we do
they do block gunners fire, but they will push you out of range.
Them blocking gunner fire is actually mad annoying cause it fucking staggers the bulwarks and makes them not open up
Shotgunners in particular troll me with that constantly
The most annoying problem right now is that all the enemies can ignore collision if they want to.
This is especially true for the elites, they walk through you and get you stuck in the horde or corner. this kind of behavior should not be allowed at all, but FS do FS thing.
Imagine the fuckery if trappers had collision
And they accidently netted a pox walker
Or a mini boss
the trapper catching a plague ogryn and immediatly getting crushed by its weight
Would create a interesting dynamic
Though I can see people kiting a enemy into a trapper net purposely
are you still playing helldivers 2?
I'm about to boot up my Star Wars mod for Kenshi
Got a droid settlement going on
ok, i have no idea what that is
It's a choose your own adventure type game
Right now I'm a bounty hunter killing Jedi and Sith
While also pissing off the Mandolorians
ok first try
brachy dead
:Sob:
and a sliding jewel 4
now i have to fight 'velkhana'
You need to go to bedge 
Stan it's not even sunset yet where I'm at.

Snails don't carry trays on their backs
it's a cartoon
Jfc stan
Oh hi
That's also squidward
you must be like, the worst guy to watch any kind of show or movie with
Nah
Rude
you categorically refuse to have any suspension of disbelief
Do you like scent maracas
?
What are scent maracas stan
I listen to the news while driving to work
I'm calling those scent maracas from now on ty
how has your name not changed in so long
Stan doesnt talk to me in here super often
And ive been at work or w/e when he is in here
Of late
HELLO
WELCOME
TO THE TOE ZONE LAYER
Stan we are not in the toe zone layer
Says who
We left the toe zone layer hours ago
Says who
Me
By what authority
Ok then tell me what constitutes being in the toe zone layer
If you know you know
imagine the smell
Skelly is obviously in the Toe Zone ™️
Skele are you in the toe zone
I miss him already
speak not these evils

Wait are we in the toe zone layer because skele has toe in his name
You didn't deny being in the toe zone layer
i guess thats the logic?
He mentioned the toe zone layer a few hours ago
I do not remember anything about it
you have undergone a mind wipe for your own safety
For the best
Skele we need to play again but have it not be cursed
impossible
depending on if i'm busy or not we could try and get a 4 stack over the weekend?
see if josho/arco/anyone else want to throw down
Yeah i should be around
What are you throwing
You
He's*
mods
Spelling fail 
make him do 'holy wars the punishment due' guitar solo
Perish
What are you thoughts on canned bread
Never had it
i just couldn't be bothered
idk what stans excuse for his typos is
What is that
Canned bread
Could you not have picked a better image
What else am I supposed to do
like actual real food
Pick and image where its not formed to the can
Going from Darktide to HD2 gives me whiplash. HD2 has NO audio cues for anything
It doesnt even look like bread

It always is
That's what it is
So you just grab that and eat it
untrue hd2 has audio cues for things such as "AHHHH IM ON FIRE" and "AHHHH I GOT SHOT"
Liber-tea voicelines are clearly more important than the hulk two inches around the corner 
You should bedge 
mhw not having transmog from when you unlock the armor is crazy
why do I have to beat an entire dlc
😠
What
woof yea getting late...6:41....
crisp
Going to bed at 7 makes me very sad
mhw requires a degree in build making cause what the fuck are these builds 😭
i have only ever gone to bed at 7 when i have been up for 30+ hours
good lorb i need 2 fix my graphics
Woof?
Fair
woomfie boomfie
bark
The new killing floor 2 update is looking good!
I think i went to bed early when i was up for 50+ hours
Arco
YOU BASTARD
average irish man
drg
F
deep rock galactic
i have been struck by a curse
dont look at my materials
a smooth criminal
Arcowo chan
oh ok i like that one better
Arco your sick
shut up scent socks
this is arco
One day your knees will buckle under the weight of your sins and nobody will be there to catch you arco
so true
No arcos a duck
He saves people's typing scents
Is his the scent of burnt toast
Shut it 
I was just burning a Canada
Candle
Valid
GO TO BEDGE LINCOLN
I am more eepy than i should be i slept 12 hours
SKELLY
Lmao
lincoln
Amazing how did u find this so fast
i may have this saved on my phone

I cannot catch a break
Stan HATES me and my name
Yeah
Spooky scary Lincoln
Omg hi Laz chan
rejected
Familiar
L
😔
You are true evil
@hushed knoll
gleeby deeby ahh
Oh luna i saw a video of someone jokingly saying they ate a hamster
Doberman
Doge
binky
whats it taste lwike
HE HAS A LITTLE BINKY
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Painkiller · Judas Priest
Painkiller
℗ 2001 Sony Music Entertainment UK Limited
Released on: 1990-09-26
Composer, Lyricist: Kenneth Downing
Vocal, Recording Engineer: Rob Halford
Guitar, Composer, Lyricist, Recording Engineer: Glenn Tipton
Producer, Recording Engineer: Chris Tsangarides
Composer, Lyricist:...
And when they slammed into each other they sounded like two bricks hitting one another
Lol
falling metal pipe sound
boofbark
The blue collar one laid on me too long and her head is very heavy
They don't blink
They stare
By too long did you mean your leg fell asleep
klitty dance
2 this song
this guy did not just @ me with yeat
shoutout to yeat for making brain damage cool again
yoted on
yeat fans on their way to lobotomyfest 2024 like
anyone else smoke weed in this chapel rn
sadboys would literally put u in the dirt
yeat heads
turn this man into a
so true
he looks more like a flamethrower
-guy who listens to yeat
corny ass name!
yeat
'erm we're the sadboys 🤓!'
yung lean only gets a pass because he is swedish..
and they can do no wrong..
no i get it
every generation has an artist thats just trash that gets rallied around because its funny
u kids have ur fun
he's talking about sadboys
:3
I should @ puri and call him a bitch
damn yall still have puri unblocked?
i wish anyone liked u
this is me in rl
yo mama does
meteors are dope
get that ugly BASTARD off my screen
billy d has fucked ur mother countless times
can she get me an autograph
he jus incestious..
das what i was getting at
cleaerly u 2 stupid 2 reliaze that 😎
behold
wrong gif
intellectual disability
right gif
are u drunk or are u just like this
"It's been like a month since i've last played I hope I can unrust and relax in this mission!"
Thats not steve
it will be a glorious day when crit CDR is nuked from orbit
NOOO DON'T DO IT
IT'S SO FUN
it's going to get nuked
no
why no 😭
cause it invalidates multiple game mechanics
god allowing me to chastise multiple times in half a minute with a piety chainsword build
ogryn will get nuked too don't worry
I'll invalidate your game mechanics FUCKER
I think it's completely fair that i can chastise horizontal swing into a horde of poxwalkers and refill my chastise charge in 1-2 swings

IDC IF IT'S BALANCED!! IT'S FUN AND IT SHOULD REMAIN FUN 💔 💔
kill
still my favorite darktide clip
Once i tried this build this is what shot zealot from my least played class to tied with my most played
does this even count as playing the game
tbf i feel like this takes more skill than when i play my other classes
but that might just be cuz of how i play them
Idk, fatshark just needs to decide to lean into their game mechanics and combat system or not
I honestly think the gameplay itself is sublime
which is why I hate things that turn them off
It takes the build elements of payday and combines it with the teamwork/specials of l4d2 and it's amazing
What's turning it off 😭 😭
see above clips
TBF in both of those clips I had concentration stims
and I feel like moments like that are PART of the gameplay
it makes it feel so intense
meoww
It's like in HD2 when you're being chased by a bazillion of every enemy except your skill actually matters cuz in darktide most of the combat is reactionary rather than precautionary
sitting in a fire nade while using crusher and chastise spam isnt particularly hard
🤔
We can only pray
It's more fun to me than like sitting in a corner with trauma staff and shrieking or spamming VOC and plasma gun at everything
I still rlly enjoy my ogryn's gameplay tho
the amount of effort required to win a match varies wildly depending on your build and i would put fury blazing piety at the low end
you move more, but you're not really ever in danger
Oh no tha effort required
I feel like the thing is w/ appropriate builds you're almost never in danger in the first place until a really specific situation comes up buttt again that might be cuz of my playstyles on each class
idk HD2 for me is purely a chaotic fuck around and blow shit up game with some engaging shooting mechanics, but DT is sweaty and nice to engage with all the combat mechanics and have to aim etc
it seems like your idea of appropriate build is one's you can't die with
well "appropriate build" as in like
one that's appropriate for the situation that we're describing ya
So in games where "you're never really in danger" that's ALOT of builds
in DT that is mostly outliers
Halfway decent zealot is only really threatened by disablers or The Absolute Worst positioning anyways
i'd use a different build?? idk
they're in the game so i just use themmm
if i'm playing tf2 i'm not going to think about how the gameplay would be like if medic wasn't in the game
Then they still have twbs and holy rev?
but it's not 0 effort in comparison
I mean we still have new evis and I guess buffed chaxes are really good but not on the same level
Id argue crusher takes effort to be optimal with but not survive with
I just feel like it's unfair saying things that turn the mechanics off is exclusive only to zealot since every class has a ton of builds that are as strong and take even less skill
:3
yes they have lost direction in the game and there's a lot of OP shit
and power creep been a big issue
it’s a pve game but some stuff is hella broken
do they want it to be an arcade game or not
i would genuinely put trauma staff significantly above blazing piety crusher in terms of skill required to use because you at least have to manage peril and be intentional about soulblaze (blaze trauma is the only trauma that exists)
Managing peril with shriek lmao
i never used shriek all that much is it good
i think i've had this convo beforeee but i'm not very smart but I gave my opinions on game design of increased non-artificial difficulty vs nerfing/taking away options that the player has access to
ur thinking about something considerably more than with blazing piety where u just mash the left click button
50% toughness dr yum
there's a limit to how much complexity you can add and how much you can do with stuff when the problem comes down to the numbers literally just being too good
Kills anything up to basic marksmen in a big hitscan cone and is on another class with high cdr bullshit
I think the analogy I used before was Ultrakill, rocket riding was so overpowered that alot of ppl were saying to just straight up remove it but the developer instead made it so it was no longer infinite flight and then added in enemies that both countered rocket riding, and even had unique mechanics to fight against them by freezing the rockets in place which would forced you to stop moving if you were rocket riding, but gave the player MORE options to fight against all the enemies
I'm not a game designer so idrk how that design philosophy would be implemented into darktide
and my counterargument is that ultrakill still has 2 difficulties that aren't finished
But i'm of the opinion that changes that give the players more options while making it balanced will ALWAYS be better than straight up nerfs
that's a problem completely irrelevant to the one in darktide
of course at violent you would have more power compared to darktide damn5 because violent is only the 4th difficulty out of 6
because the issue is almost always that the things that are implemented are simply doing too well statistically
whereas in darktide, damnation is the end of the road
all they have done in DT is turn special spam up, turn some HP up, and make a bunch of OP stuff
there's a reason that ragers often spawn in groups of 20 or aren't a significant even threat to even think about
Well it's not the specific problem that's relevant to the pointtt i'm talking about to the thought process to the changes but the point that darktide's design at its foundation is very different and relies alot on numbers is valid
and we are at the cap of the number of enemies we can have
because people simply kill the ragers before they can do anything
it's a numbers issue, plain and simple. that leaves a lot less room for creativity than a specific game-wide mechanic making something too easy
at some point you just have to accept that stuff has to be made weaker for any kind of balance to exist
nuanced mechanics also can't exist in a world where enemies get turned off by weapons like the crusher/smite/trauma staff
yea the game is super fucking boring if you play with all the free cc all the time stuff
it's way more interesting when you can't just shut the game off any time a difficulty spike occurs
and you can't add any meaningufl interaction between ragers when the game spawns 20 of them
block-trading with them is cool and all
in a lot of ways the game is too hard
but the game rarely spawns only a few of them
yeah the days of 2 ragers are no longer
or they are pre spawned and do not get to interact with you
i do think they need to add more interactivity but you also have to keep in mind right now it's a player-power issue that inhibits what the devs can do
like uhh
shout vet
with frags and demo stockpile
you have all the CC and aoe damage u will literally ever need to just ignore "oh shit" moments
Yeah nobody complains about vet strength
because there was a widespread perception that vet was underpowered until the last update to its tree
which i dont think was particularly fair at all but i cannot speak for the redditors
yeah he was fine, now he has access to too many of his good talents
or like
single nodes are too strong
the problem is still that there are too many nodes in the tree
and you need to equally remove the shitty and overpowered or game-warping ones
like you can literally one mag a chaos spawn with an agri revolver vet in psyk
to be fair i have never seen this in a live game
at the very least
I dunno, I just feel like it's a really tough thing to balance because nerfs have the tendency to remove or limit options the players will have which will then cause the gameplay to kinda shift to being even more towards shutting off your brain because the player has less things they're able to do or consider I thinkkk but i'm not very smart and things like numbers tweaks unless really significant like the GG melee overnerf probably wouldn't really cause much of this
You can also argue that limiting the players' options can force them to think outside the box more but idrk about that
we've been through this issue before
and the solution was very very very simple
there's a middle ground sure
sure but I'm just saying it as an example of damage potential
but the plain and simple gist of the current solution is that we're overpowered
i feel like you could snip out a bunch of problematic nodes and replace some of them with half an overpowered one and slowly you'd prune the vet tree into something reasonable
pinning fire was giving 100% power, slaughterer was 75%, the blessing got nerfed to 1/4 of its old numbers and a lot of the underperforming stuff was brought up
overtoughness tho
it was found that the pinning fire weapons were underperforming without it and so u had numerical changes to one of the two of them (bolter, autopistol has been left to rot a bit)
there's nothing complex that needs to be implemented
we just need to tune the numbers down and approach a healthier state of the game
and in the end i think u will find 99% of people found the numerical changes satisfactory
it's a lot less complex to navigate than ppl make it out to be
Idk rn vet has one gimmick keystone that mostly doesn't add anything meaningful except a wonky playstyle, one that is busted with some already busted guns and otherwise garbage talents, and a bunch of nodes above those that give huge static buffs to dmg ammo etc
Also yeah, shout
fatshark also often involves community playtesters who generally have good balance opinions




