zealot-class

[sharp zodiac]

I've always been an smg user, but I used to be a PvE HC user

I miss those times

[zenith fog]

and if you arent able to tank, why are you up close without 1) a oneshot build 2) lament

[sharp zodiac]

Especially the black armoury days

[zenith fog]

its a shame HC are too slow for pve these days

hc headshots in pve were very fun

[sharp zodiac]

Very

[zenith fog]

the buildcrafting in the game is cool, but they didnt tune up the enemies enough to compensate

[sharp zodiac]

Nowadays my exalted and Luna's exists for PvP which is a mode I actively despise nowadays

[ivory marlin]

I’ve heard the craftaning was a horrible horrible thing

[zenith fog]

also, adding aoe weapon perks like voltshot was a mistake

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah that's Bungie's definite..point of all time

[zenith fog]

voltshot is legit too good

[sharp zodiac]

Especially when it's on a craftable weapon

So you can get the enhanced version

[zenith fog]

"using primary to add clear"

no, fool, what are you doing? killing one guy at a time? the primary exists to proc voltshot, or be wishender

[ivory marlin]

I love wish ender

[sharp zodiac]

God I literally don't even use primaries anymore

Besides Rufus but even then

[ivory marlin]

I actually did a master thingy at light level 1770 with just wish ender

[zenith fog]

leads to fun things sometimes though, like the just insane add density of ghosts of the deep second encounter, real darktide hours

[ivory marlin]

Lost sector

[sharp zodiac]

It's just gl and fusions or just gl and trace

[ivory marlin]

The one on neomuna

[sharp zodiac]

Never bothered with master

[ivory marlin]

It was hard

And i hid most of it

[sharp zodiac]

I only just did the vex strike force for exotics

[ivory marlin]

Even a basic goblin would 1 shot me

[zenith fog]

master sectors are usually not worth it time wise, twice the droprate, but more than half as fast unless you are giga optimized

[ivory marlin]

But i need a craftable apex so Ive been farming rivens wishes

[zenith fog]

good for testing builds though

[sharp zodiac]

I remember finally getting mine after farming Kalli

[ivory marlin]

I was only doing it for quest progress

[sharp zodiac]

Then I think I got one for my auto rifle

which I never use

[ivory marlin]

Only wish im still missing is the uhhhhh taken boss one

[sharp zodiac]

Ogre?

[ivory marlin]

Im too bored waiting in the lost city for taken bosses to spaw or the off chance that one bitch spawns

I sat in the lost city for an hour and only hit 17%

I just want my apex :(

[sharp zodiac]

Could just farm Shuro

Unless brain mistakes

[ivory marlin]

Wait does shuro count?

[sharp zodiac]

Yes, the thralls and all the enemies do

[ivory marlin]

Now i need 2 other for the raid

Really?!?!?!

[sharp zodiac]

Hnnnnnnnnnngggiggigty

[ivory marlin]

[sharp zodiac]

Wait what are you speaking of thinking

[ivory marlin]

Shuro chi

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah

[ivory marlin]

The raid boss

[sharp zodiac]

Uh huh

[ivory marlin]

Cant i not dmg her unless there are 3 people for the laser thingy

[sharp zodiac]

Oh no I thought you meant lvling up weapon

[ivory marlin]

No

[sharp zodiac]

Hnnnnnngg

[ivory marlin]

I need 1 more wish token

[sharp zodiac]

Ohhhh

Tolkien

[ivory marlin]

The last quest i need is the taken boss one

[sharp zodiac]

Ah

[ivory marlin]

Its so boring

[sharp zodiac]

That's d€ for you

[ivory marlin]

Sorry thats my bad

Im bad at explaining

I barely understand how to play ngl

[sharp zodiac]

Is fine

I haven't slept for 12 hours

So it's starting to catch up

[frozen glen]

r u ok

[sharp zodiac]

I'll live

[ivory marlin]

Go bed

[frozen glen]

luna on the body destruction grindset

[ivory marlin]

Red how badly did stan fuck up your name?

[frozen glen]

raft

[ivory marlin]

You poor thing

Stan has thankfully never addressed me so I’ve been safe

[sharp zodiac]

Can't, dont feel like it

[ivory marlin]

Me when i forget to eat for 3ish days in a row

Im on that d2 and siege grindset

I got to hit pinnacle and diamond 1

[sharp zodiac]

I may not have a stepping stone to stand on when it comes to grinding games but I think you should play something else

[drifting wolf]

hop on borderlands grind for 500 hours only for the drop you want to nearly be perfect besides the sight

[sharp zodiac]

Ah shit the bed is becoming more comfortable

[sharp zodiac]

I spent a week on bl3 trying to get a god weapon

Never again

[ivory marlin]

You are absolutely right I should also try to hit mastery rank 30 too

[sharp zodiac]

NO

[ivory marlin]

Im glad you agree

Wait i forgor what mr i am

Mr 19

Almost mr 20

If i max the 4 unranked primes i have i would probably hit 20

Also probably if i used things other then kuva karak and grimoire

And voulnuss prime

[frozen glen]

stop playing so many grindy games

and mtg cards

[ivory marlin]

Not entirely sure why i use that melee but eh

Why

Let me

Crumble

[frozen glen]

because i will steal ur bearded dragon

[ivory marlin]

I dont own one

[frozen glen]

im gonna buy u one and then im gonna steal it

[ivory marlin]

My ex did but he’s bad bad so we don’t talk about him

[ivory marlin]

Id go from really happy to really sad

I get very attached to animals very quickly

I got a dino egg in stardew today in a co-op farm with my friends and i literally cant wait until it hatches

Actually tweeking

[ivory marlin]

Why must yall call me out so much :(

[frozen glen]

its bad for u

[ivory marlin]

Let me live in bliss of my wasted life

Blissful ignorance as they say

Now yall are making me take a step back

Im not gonna stop but im definitely gonna cut back

Mtg unironically makes me so happy when i get to play

D2 i could probably quit and be fine, warframe Ive been playing too long to quit

And siege was a gift from a friend so i cant quit until he does

[ivory marlin]

Nuh uh!

Oh shit its 3 am

Gotta go bed before skeleton mutes me

[zenith fog]

question:

the gain 50% toughness when fury procs node, does that happen only once, or every 25 dead enemies even if fury is still running?

[polar nexus]

Whenever fury proces

So that's bad

Because it will happen from time to time and you don't control it

[zenith fog]

oh wow thats awful then, if the team isnt slow i activate it like only a few times because fury doesnt fall off

[polar nexus]

It's better to have toughness on command, like on dodge or with chastise

[zenith fog]

at least if im reading tbe buff bar right

[polar nexus]

That's exactly the problem.

Every 25 enemies would be better

[calm salmon]

lmao I was just about to say that keet

I guess you could intentionally let fury drop

[zenith fog]

so, coming from psyker by comparison, zealot seems to lean more into insane amounts of toughness damage reduction,.rather than Toughness regeneration

[calm salmon]

shit like malice makes that easier

or even low int damnation

[zenith fog]

well, chastise and the regen on dodge counts, but its not that much regeneration in comparison

[calm salmon]

but high int/auric bs and fury is up 24/7

[polar nexus]

Yeah but that would be difficult outside of solo play

[calm salmon]

yesn't

[zenith fog]

i guess, you can regenerate a bunch with Moment im and a knife

[calm salmon]

zealot has giga tdr

but also giga toughness regen

not as braindead as ogryn "hit thing with stick"

but its pretty fuckin close

the toughness regen just isn't as "free" as psyker

[zenith fog]

maybe its less noticeable to me because of how much psyker regenerates all the time, but much less DR, so im feeling it more

[calm salmon]

do thing, get toughness back

In this case, heavy attack kills/dodging/be near 3 enemies

[polar nexus]

Yeah, as long as you get some source of toughness replenishment and damage reduction your zealot will be fine

[zenith fog]

i wonder what the "effective" toughness regeneration per second is

[calm salmon]

ewew was 9.5

or something like that

[zenith fog]

id wager zealot ends up much higher because of the DR

[calm salmon]

now you get 15 toughness back per successful dodge

and you can dodge like 9 enemies in a couple seconds

[oak ermine]

I kind of miss that consistency

[polar nexus]

That's insane

[calm salmon]

giving you >100% toughness

[polar nexus]

That's probably on the nerf list tbh

[oak ermine]

But Second Wind is certainly a very good skill

[polar nexus]

Like 7.5%

[calm salmon]

second wind is arguably even more braindead than ogryn's toughness regen talent

[zenith fog]

wait is it per swing they miss??? Not per dodge,.or did i misunderstand

[calm salmon]

but you do need to spend a resource

not just blindly heavy attack things

[oak ermine]

It rewards you for… playing the game

Wowzers

[calm salmon]

I mean, FWIW

[oak ermine]

And rushing shooters

[calm salmon]

second wind completely changed the toughness argument for zealot

[oak ermine]

Which is always a good thing

[calm salmon]

its skill tree warping

[oak ermine]

It is, to an extent

[calm salmon]

good idea, needs a little tweaking

much like everything else in the skill trees

[oak ermine]

I wish it were an exclusive upgrade, say, to a keystone

[calm salmon]

onslaught and rending strikes aside - these just need to die.

[zenith fog]

didnt remember names yet,.second wind was "dont die every 2 minutes"? or another one

[calm salmon]

No, second wind is "Dodge an enemy attack successfully, get 15% toughness"

[oak ermine]

But the way keystones are typically designed is that any upgrade nodes HAVE to interact with the keystone’s gimmick

[zenith fog]

ah, ok

[calm salmon]

Even with it tied to a resource, dodge counts, its uh. . . the second best talent in zealot's tree. Best talent is TWBS.

[polar nexus]

You can not take second wind and Crit Dr instead. Because you'll be using Crit cool down reduction and spam chastise to get toughness back...

That's even more broken

[calm salmon]

Then its a bunch of skills fighting for third

[drifting wolf]

ogryn has half a brain cell zealot has just one

[calm salmon]

like the momentum keystone, fury of the faithful/wrath of the righteous, blazing piety blablabla

[calm salmon]

yeah. . .

Ogryn is "small child facerolling keyboard at random" good

Zealot is "teenager facerolling keyboard at random" good

[polar nexus]

Vet is

[calm salmon]

once you realize that fatshark wants you to spam shout 24/7 regardless of the situation, veteran is definitely the most braindead class.

Psyker actually requires some effort or you just die to perils of the warp.

the new vet shout situation is uh. . . something alright though.

And a pretty solid argument for gold toughness on it just dying outright.

Let it refill the toughness bar to 100%

but this whole "overtoughness" stuff is uh. . . well - now we have a gamebreaking bug

but no chip damage during gold toughness is just stupid

[oak ermine]

I wonder if there is a universe in which it could be reworked into a skillshot cone, which would buff your teammates

[ember yew]

[oak ermine]

And/or grant some of the buffs to you, if you specced for an upgrade

[ember yew]

in that case teammates will be mostly without shout buff

[oak ermine]

And it could still be an AoE knock back

[calm salmon]

sometimes, I miss pre-patch 13

[ember yew]

as 90% of the time PUG vets press shout as a panic button or just as whatever

[calm salmon]

people actually stuck to coherency

zealots aside

always running off with their knives to die to a trapper

[oak ermine]

Maybe infinite Volley Fire chaining was the better world to live in

[polar nexus]

Whenever I play shout vet, the team survivability rate goes through the roof because I'll spam it

[calm salmon]

the game was harder

that much is for sure

even with old counterfire vet

[obtuse stirrup]

Infinite e stance is still a thing

It just doesn't have the crazy damage reduction

[ember yew]

i mean if it will be a cone-like radius you'l need to aim it

which pug players wont do

[oak ermine]

Well, okay, the game wasn’t necessarily harder

[obtuse stirrup]

And nobody takes e stance anyway

[oak ermine]

But the difficulty curve was more easily observable

[obtuse stirrup]

Because shout

[polar nexus]

That's the worst. You should be shouting as soon as it's available

[obtuse stirrup]

Heresy is easier than it was

[oak ermine]

It’s not just that. Other options brought to the table have seemingly outcompeted it

[obtuse stirrup]

But at least we have maelstroms now

[faint prairie]

gamin

[oak ermine]

VF is just an outdated ability with nothing to go for it

[obtuse stirrup]

I still like it on CIAG

Damage boosts matter more for high RoF weapons

Pointless on Plasma though since you oneshot most stuff anyway

And Plasma is an entire different problem tbh

That needs to get a pretty big nerf

[ember yew]

its just need

cleave nerf

and it will be alright

it's especially stupid against bulwark patrols

[oak ermine]

I wonder if Plasma should have ever been allowed to straight up ignore Bulwark shields

The entire “disarm Bulwark with a light shot” argument went out the window

[steep flame]

last time i checked this wasnt the krieg flag

[hushed knoll]

I still don’t know the doors

[polar nexus]

my god

[formal umbra]

average death korps fan

[steep flame]

fr

[drowsy steppe]

LMAO

[lusty turtle]

Another common death korp L

[formal umbra]

TRUE !

[fading vale]

yes but when it didn't have 50-100 cleave

[oak ermine]

An accurate observation

Just like the Ripper gun being nerfed in its ammo pool, due to burn dot application "bug" - the ammo portion wasn't the core issue, yet the malus on the ammo pool was never restored to its former values

[hushed knoll]

[hushed knoll]

Are you ok

[sturdy owl]

Hmm

[hushed knoll]

[quaint verge]

I presume it's a S-face emote

[drowsy steppe]

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/great-teacher-onizuka-gif-25044670

[frosty herald]

fellas

argus gifted me helldivers 2

expect napalm strikes in your general direction

[lusty turtle]

wdym no one plays hd2 anymore

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/infinite-wealth-ichiban-kasuga-ichiban-by-the-nine-im-tweakin-like-a-dragon-gif-10336401465010050963

[lusty turtle]

ur so last month yamamoto

[frank night]

you have missed the fad sir

[delicate shadow]

We're all playing hit game lethal company now

[solar gorge]

prehistoric

[frosty herald]

ancient gamer

[solar gorge]

👻 👻

[hushed knoll]

What

[hushed knoll]

HI MORE

[delicate shadow]

we're all playing hit game phasmophobia now

[hushed knoll]

MORE

MOTTS

[lusty turtle]

motts im so sorry

[frank night]

https://tenor.com/view/pitch-perfect-fat-amy-rebel-wilson-shot-shoot-gif-3554178

[frosty herald]

fuck you mean

were all hopping on trouble in terrorist town

[solar gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/zoom-triggered-shake-fast-walker-gif-16232542

[lusty turtle]

my man

[hushed knoll]

So you admit his name mattress

Mort

[solar gorge]

guys get on gmod 11

[hushed knoll]

Motts

[lusty turtle]

STAN

[delicate shadow]

omg guys did you hear about this cool new groundbreaking game called pubg

[hushed knoll]

You did this

It’s not my fault

[solar gorge]

too busy playing scum

new hot game in town is balatro now anyway smh

[fading vale]

I'm too busy playing fortnite

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/lighthouse-the-lighthouse-wake-laugh-wake-laughing-gif-16420751

[solar gorge]

hd2's still best seller worldwide on steam so i gues i have to play it a little while longer

[frosty herald]

dragons dogma 2 is slowly creeping up on that position

[solar gorge]

won't stay at number 1 for weeks tho

i hope it releases in a good state

[lusty turtle]

if its like the first game it'll atleast be fun jank

[frosty herald]

its going to be amazing on release

https://youtu.be/D7t9OLcIjkE?si=FHju44HS_Xj15FSs

[solar gorge]

the lidl khajits are very funny looking

[lusty turtle]

i need to finish the first game at some point

but im just lazy

[frosty herald]

yeah they were supposed to be in dd1 but because of engine limitations the fur physics were too much

but now that the tech is here beastren have fully returned

https://tenor.com/view/dragon's-dogma-2-dd2-pawn-jump-suicide-gif-18140284067775607273

[lusty turtle]

partly engine limitation but also issues with them not getting to finish the game

[frosty herald]

like 65% of the original game was cut

[solar gorge]

should've spent the time making dwarfs instead of these goofy ass cats

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-chad-chad-dwarf-gif-27635881

every party needs one of these

[frosty herald]

underground dwarven kingdom time

[lusty turtle]

dwarves are cring tho

or well, my perception is probably warped by all the people with dwarf pfps i've had to ban for racism

[solar gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/god-slap-slap-of-god-nicolas-cage-slap-gif-1927807492062256907

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/malcolm-in-the-middle-dewey-dewey-scream-scream-scare-gif-21537163

[lusty turtle]

up there with space marines and death korp pfps for "most likely to be transphobic"

[solar gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-thorgrim-warhammer-total-war-gif-14786796

[drowsy steppe]

is it even fun

whats it about

[frosty herald]

yes

very

insanely fun

[lusty turtle]

its an action rpg kind of?

[solar gorge]

bg3 if it was good

[lusty turtle]

but with beast mantling like monster hunter

[drowsy steppe]

like whats the similar game if we have to compare

is it like Monster hunter wrold

[lusty turtle]

monster hunter is the closest, but isn't close at all

[frosty herald]

you can freely climb monsters

[lusty turtle]

its MH like combat for big enemies

[solar gorge]

yeah that's just 1 feature

it's not the game

[frosty herald]

https://youtu.be/cT0rIgaiPWA?si=ceMwpYvpg8tNrepp

its very hard to explain what dragons dogma is

[lusty turtle]

and its real time action RPG instead of turn based

[frosty herald]

you need to experience it

[solar gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/dragons-dogma-capcom-climbing-video-game-gif-16581050

the ant on my shoe

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon's-dogma-2-dd2-max-griffin-fling-gif-2059266496918877405

[lusty turtle]

but to answer

the first game was a decently interesting world with differeing spawns depending on day/night n stuff, was a very fun open world action adventure game with a very interesting combat system with AI "pawn" companions you can use to setup combos (they are customisable characters, you get one that is your own pawn and then you can summon other players pawns to assist you)

the first game never got to finish its full dev due to publisher medling and the assumption is that they have actually been allowed to finish this one and make the full game they want (hense the expanded class list and inclusion of none human races)

so it could be an incredibly fun game when it launches, assuming they have been allowed to do what they want this time

[frosty herald]

https://youtu.be/YM6tqXq6K6I?si=hirpl-1aCTrS0PUG

even when dd1 is at its most barebones it crushes 90% of other rpg games

[lusty turtle]

the only downside of DD is no coop

lemme play as someones pawn so i can wrestle bandits for them

[thorn imp]

Masterworks all, you can't go wrong

[drowsy steppe]

alright the gameplay looks interesting already

[frosty herald]

noo coop was done on purpose

[drowsy steppe]

@lusty turtle we got a special one

[frosty herald]

since itsuno (the creator of the game) disliked little shits assblasting him in online games and toxic teammates

[lusty turtle]

barrel him

[lusty turtle]

cring

[drifting wolf]

between power armor in general/space marines and dwarves i cant catch a break with having interests that bring in bigots

[lusty turtle]

fucked up cause there was a DD mmo but it was japan only

[frosty herald]

dragons dogma online

such an insane game

[lusty turtle]

isn't the internet wonderful

[placid fiber]

inb4 I put a sedition frame on >.>

[solar gorge]

add lot's of playtime on hell let loose and here I stand

i've seen the depths

[cursive viper]

death

[placid fiber]

Simply just take the malice frame and outplay everyone

for some reason this felt like low intensity heresy, but, it was regular intensity on trs-150

even brought my malice frame for that run lol

[elfin steppe]

I'm disabler magnetic.

[frosty herald]

The ses bringer of war is now in action

[placid fiber]

Meanwhile I am a special magnet lol

If me and elliot played together it would be non-stop specials and disablers lol

Sounds like shock gauntlet tbh...

I do tend to attract more specials, tho, due to loot goblining

[elfin steppe]

that was you? Odilious?

[placid fiber]

No

But I would have had that many special kills

[elfin steppe]

I want the next patch

but it looks like we will have to wait for another two months or so.

[placid fiber]

Oof

Well... At least we're gonna get it eventually

[frosty herald]

Did my first mission and got super credits

[rocky marsh]

its for my vet build but imo some vets in there are dum dum
Kant shotgun or agri shotgun?
Agri can snipe far range gunners with the special, but kant has better horde clear with fire

[faint vapor]

Agri + Full Bore + Respite if you want to hunt specials and elites

Kantreal if you want to be more aggressive and have some cleave in your shots

Note the fire shells can do enough damage to dumpster elites too

[rocky marsh]

you are from vet!
anyway why does kant let you be more aggresive?

[faint vapor]

I have a Zealot too :p though I only have it so I can more accurately hate Zealots

[faint vapor]

Because its higher base damage + stagger lets you handle situations the Agri has issues handling like crusher and rager patrols

Like the Kantreal has even more stagger than the plasma letting you knock down crushers

Fire shells can be buffed to the point where 2 shots can kill elites etc

Agri is easier to use and has more ammo

[zealous basin]

https://files.catbox.moe/ibzkhx.gif

[rocky marsh]

agri special no knock down rager?
or you mean left click only

[faint vapor]

Was talking about left click

The special can but rarely is it ever just "a" rager

[rocky marsh]

so agri special will pierce rager? eve nif no kill

[sharp oyster]

a fresh lv 30

One with savage IV and one with Rampage IV

The fact blessings are from different families

[faint vapor]

No piercing

Only Kantreal fire shell can pierce multiple ragers

[rocky marsh]

THen why you say >>> The special can but rarely is it ever just "a" rager

mean can't even stagger the rager?

so sad

;v

[faint vapor]

"It can stagger but its rarely just one rager"

Exactly as it's typed out

[rocky marsh]

rarely just one, so could be more than one no :v

[rain steppe]

So for zealot I'm torn between flamethrower and heavy boltgun

[ember yew]

this means you want Columnus V

[rain steppe]

The skill?

[ember yew]

the gattling gun

https://tenor.com/view/django-tetarahublot-mini-gun-gatling-gun-gif-21661128

[zealous basin]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/8b3069fc3e05d132dab1b4b64dc04282/0b701d869a71597a-2a/s500x750/4407b7b995d62e14db601801a8b8544104e3d2c3.gif

[zealous basin]

how dare u

[drowsy steppe]

flames

[quaint verge]

[zealous basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1208297456849264692/uni_fnaf.gif

[quaint verge]

[zealous basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-uni-gif-26762123

[zealous basin]

close it

[fast scroll]

Why so many cats?

[viral hare]

not enough

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-box-walk-kot-gif-20976827

[fading vale]

don't you know this is also the cat channel

[viral hare]

it was never anything else

Return to form

[frank night]

excellent steve

@lusty turtle when did stan shoot me more

[lusty turtle]

earlier

basically the moment i set your name to more

he went in for a 2nd pass

[ripe quest]

Ah I was asleep. @zenith fog We have a weapon setup guide and a steam guide showing in-depth descriptions on what each talent actually does (not all of them are accurate or fully explain mechanics). For a build, get core talents (coherency, blitz, ult, keystone) that you want and grab smaller talents that best fit with your weapon. Grab 1-2 toughness generation nodes and you're mostly set.

For Hsword IX is slightly better at fodder and bruisers and the VI and VII are moveset flips of eachother that handle elites better. It's a great weapon, grab Deathblow + Headtaker (or Rampage if you don't have Headtaker). Stacking damage to hit breakpoints for Deathblow is important so a good number of people grab Martyrdom for Hsword, Judgement and Piety can work fine though.

It's so weird seeing people with my like, actual name. Had to reread to make sure I wasn't pinging myself because of tired brain.

[frank night]

i cannot believe this

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/cucuso-trippy-psychedelic-psychedelicguy-crazy-gif-12507069

[royal vortex]

mattress

[somber sparrow]

Just me or does the zealot feel like a mini Ogryn when it comes to melee?

[fleet zealot]

zealot is much faster

[somber sparrow]

got cha

[fast scroll]

I think zealot hits harder as well?

[fading vale]

foldable shovel would like a word

[north sedge]

not really, just have more viable options

[sharp zodiac]

50% of the way to bird up

[fast scroll]

Thunder Hammer bonk one shots?

[fading vale]

I mean that's specifically monstrosities

[north sedge]

shovel does that better on elites

if they're packed up more so

[fast scroll]

Still funny though

[fading vale]

of course

[fast scroll]

I would just use a boltgun on a pack of elites

[fleet zealot]

i think in terms of dps

zealot and ogryn melee come out to about the same

maybe more dps on zealot for the trade off of ogryn just having better stagger all around

[north sedge]

shovel can one shot 4 elites at once if they're next to each other

[fading vale]

meanwhile 1 shovel heavy kills up to 4 of like every elite including crushers

[fast scroll]

The thunder strike sound puts dopamine in my brain

[fleet zealot]

yea

ogryn has the shovel, zealot has BM

[fading vale]

oh the hammer is one of the coolest and my favorite weapon don't get me wrong

and I think it's good enough

[fast scroll]

I think the boltgun would also clean up some of the other surrounding the elites but I may be wrong

[fleet zealot]

i think they have interchangable skills in term of melee classes but they are distinct enough

[fading vale]

4 is like, a high number of crushers to kill with bolter and you need to F

and it won't damage surrounding elites really

[visual stream]

5 minute slow mode on Helldivers Discord

[fast scroll]

Not the elites the not so trash mobs surrounding the elites

[visual stream]

Chat is this real

[fast scroll]

No you're going schizophrenic

[north sedge]

a shovel hit is also just free

no resources spent, no real setup

[fast scroll]

So it might get nerfed

[fading vale]

well, BM will be, probably

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[fast scroll]

What does BM stand for?

[fading vale]

brutal momentum

[fast scroll]

Blessing?

[fading vale]

makes you do primary damage to up to 4 enemy weakspots if you kill each one during a swing

yeah blessing

[fast scroll]

A fellow Ironhelm user

[visual stream]

Is autocannon or rocket sentry better for armored targets

[fading vale]

Rocket sentry kinda ass ngl

Autocannon sentry kills chargers

[visual stream]

Figured judging from the display taking two shots to kill just a walker

It's great how little the game tells you about what's going on with weapons and mainly stratagems

Like FatShart moment but 20x

[spare dome]

Arrowhead was never big on informing you anything, so nothing new

Same as FatShark tbh lol

[fading vale]

I mean it doesn't really bother me in a game like helldivers

[visual stream]

Also a shame that they carried the practice of all laser weapons being dogshit like in the first game 💀

[fading vale]

it's more just pure fun and less optimization and actually needing to know how things work

[spare dome]

Laser weps were busted in the first, dunno what you mean

Trident has always been right at the top

[visual stream]

They were? Maybe I misremember

[fading vale]

the laser rover is quite good

[visual stream]

I used that burst rifle, forgot what it's called but it was goated

[spare dome]

ye the sickle

i hope it comes back, i also loved it

[fast scroll]

I'm sorry why are we talking about sentrys?

[visual stream]

You mean it's not in the game

It's joever

[spare dome]

i mean leaks so far have shown us

four or five future weapons?

there's 29 total and we only have 14 rn

not including secondaries and strategem calldowns

[fading vale]

Most of us also play helldivers

[north sedge]

some of the laser weapons sucked, not all of em

[spare dome]

no they were all pretty damn good

[tropic harbor]

Zealot chat is just the unofficial off topic chat

[spare dome]

the sickle was just brutally outshined by the trident at doing the same thing

[tropic harbor]

I got a laser cannon in hd2

I can’t tell if it’s good compared to the machine gun

[spare dome]

but ammo used to be a strategem you had to slot in, so infinite ammo from a lasweapon was a big deal

[tropic harbor]

But it sure is fun

[fleet zealot]

it's officially the frog and ferret posting chat

[spare dome]

also cats

[fleet zealot]

And steve

[ripe quest]

Rocket Sentry can take out vehicles really fast and it turns faster, the Autocannon Sentry hits harder if it doesn't ricochet.

9/10 times though AC Sentry would probs be a better choice. Once they make the auto-aim stuff for bot drops actually target the part of the ship that can take damage the Rocket Sentry will have a super nice utility.

[coarse birch]

Steve

[fleet zealot]

darktide card game darktide card game

[fast scroll]

Has there been any news on a big update for darktide?

[fading vale]

no

[spare dome]

i play fury of the faithful, giving my monster +1/+1 and since they're a Zealot, first strike, and will now use it to prey upon your poxwalker

[visual stream]

Wasting zealot on a poxwalker? Smh

[median steeple]

if its killing the enemies of mankind it is never a waste

[fast scroll]

What changes between difficulties?

[fading vale]

health values, enemy density, special spawns

[fast scroll]

This just in salamanders take 90% casualties again

[visual stream]

Where do I shoot to kill a stalker in less than ten years with the Diligence

They're so fucking annoying

[fast scroll]

How much do the health values charge?

[fading vale]

a lot, all the things we talk about here are relative to damnation

[fast scroll]

Once I hit level 30 I'm going to need to redo my build

[somber sparrow]

What personality to choose

[hushed knoll]

You can’t spin around rapidly while thinking

[somber sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/power-hayden-christensen-star-wars-revenge-of-the-sith-annakin-skywalker-gif-5266504

[fast scroll]

I did the judge

[hushed knoll]

[spare dome]

no idea tbh

probably the tongue hole

[ripe quest]

Ideally the Stalker itself.

[spare dome]

i dont use the D for bugs

except for ...

the little d

[fast scroll]

Try the agitator?

[hushed knoll]

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-please-give-me-embed-perms-gif-27281069

[somber sparrow]

to british 😔

[hushed knoll]

Exhillious wtf

[fast scroll]

Chicago?

[hushed knoll]

I will not stand for this violence

[fast scroll]

Then take a seat

[somber sparrow]

but killing thousands of heretics daily is fun

• it makes the emperor happy

[fast scroll]

Guys quick make more bad jokes

[somber sparrow]

Mangus did nothing wrong

[light holly]

Try to hit the legs

Front leg maaybbe

[fast scroll]

???

[light holly]

Oops

Wrong reply

[hushed knoll]

Maybe the heretics have the right idea

[light holly]

Try to shoot their front legs/legs

[fast scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-war-hammer-40k-gif-15907237

[elfin steppe]

Can they change the bolter back

[light holly]

It's fine 🥹

Not every weapon needs to be broken OP

[ripe quest]

Boltgun just needs to get its priorities straight and get a real job.

[elfin steppe]

It's good if you are using it with Death Dance, otherwise the weapon's recoil is unbearable when you need to dive gunners.

[solar gorge]

it already leaked

[north sedge]

ok but only if they make the evisc stagger even less

[light holly]

Well, wait you're a zealot you got good ways to dive enemies with boltgun

[misty mason]

Boltgun will not leave its mother's basement

[viral hare]

insane how ogryns get a burst limiter on their guns but the imperium didn’t account for my dumb ass unloading an entire bolter mag because it does big boom

[misty mason]

(It's mother is Roboute Girlyman)

[fast scroll]

Well zealots have a brain somewhere

[misty mason]

Zealots brain is located inside the thunderhammer head

[elfin steppe]

It's just one of the issues with the Boltgun, it also can't stagger Maniacs.

For example, even if you crit flamers in the face, they won't stagger.

It's stupid as fk.

I think if you don't have damage buff, you can't even one-shot them with weakspot crit hit.

[hushed knoll]

@lusty turtle Heinz EZ squirt ketchup 😍

[fast scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-flamer-heresy-purge-warhammer40k-lightning-claws-gif-16488791

[hushed knoll]

@fading vale did you ever eat this

In the early 2000s

[ripe quest]

It, it does? Most maniac specialists get 1 shot by a headshot and both Ragers get staggered by Boltgun.

w/ Flamers it'll stagger on the 2nd shot

[elfin steppe]

I have seen maniacs run past me like 100 times when I shot them.

[ripe quest]

you can just hit the body, 2nd weakspot if you don't hit the BP

[elfin steppe]

especially ragers

[ripe quest]

That's moreso sounding like you're missing lol

You can stagger Maniac enemies fine.

[sharp zodiac]

Damn he's still being consumed

[hushed knoll]

You need to bedge

[ripe quest]

Stan it's noon

I'm eating lunch rn why would I go to sleep

[hushed knoll]

Oh yeah the tie zone

Toe

My bad

[elfin steppe]

stagger this

[placid fiber]

what are you going to tie?

my shoes?

[hushed knoll]

What

Ur face

GOTTEM

[placid fiber]

Sweet

got rekt

Oof

[rain steppe]

I don't think I've ever seen a rager staggered besides from an orgryn

[elfin steppe]

for guns probably only shotgun and shredder can do that.

[rain steppe]

I think I may have seen a flamer do it

[light holly]

Do you need to stagger if you're already killing in 2 shots

[fading vale]

I think I tried it once

plenty of things stagger ragers but usually they die first

or before it's relevant

[ripe quest]

I mean yeah if you're waiting until they're in their attack animation you're fighting against their stagger resist. You said they were running past you, which you're 100% missing if you cannot stagger them. If you want to stagger them out of the attack animation get Hammer of Faith or Grevious Wounds, use a melee weapon, or kill them before they are actively in melee range attacking you.

[elfin steppe]

are you sure they don't have stagger resist when they run towards you or others

[fading vale]

only when attacking

[ripe quest]

They def don't, also correction only Hammer of Faith, forgot Grevious was melee only.

[rain steppe]

I've been having alot of luck lately killing the armored ragers with a flamer

[elfin steppe]

I definitely saw them run through me with a slightly stagger animation.

[fading vale]

flamer deletes all ragers and also it's puff stun locks them

[ripe quest]

Those are probs only being hit by the edge of the AoE stagger if they're doing that stagger animation.

[rain steppe]

Downside to the flamer has been its draw time

[ripe quest]

The rager hit + ragers somewhat near them will get at the very least light staggered.

[elfin steppe]

You do miss shots because of the recoil, especially when fighting horde.

[zenith fog]

thank you for responding 🙂 do you have a link to the big guide post?

[ripe quest]

Oh also Boltgun's bash will stagger them out of the attack animation in a pinch.

[zenith fog]

just to confirm, because it doesnt look very good. Bloodthirsty isnt exactly desirable on the heavy evis right?

[elfin steppe]

Only if you have fully stacked pinning fire.

[ripe quest]

Nothing like an Ogrynomicon but they're in pins.
Weapon Table:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GBkqp8riLAVbdL0qiIR0ATrFYvAEcxLJoiqvPYfZbhQ/edit#gid=1428201414
Talent Descriptions:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3088553235

[zenith fog]

ty

[ripe quest]

no

[elfin steppe]

But I didn't test it.

[ivory marlin]

Hi gamers

[north sedge]

works on mk15 with carapace, otherwise no

[elfin steppe]

I'm not gonna use bash when I fight multiple ragers.

I'd just run away.

[elfin steppe]

It just feels so weird to use bash.

[fast scroll]

Why do those graphics just look wrong

[zenith fog]

ok, its a mk15 though

[fast scroll]

Why is everything smooth

[zenith fog]

thats an amazing tf2 mod

[spare dome]

"how about u playdohnt"

[burnt granite]

extra low graphics mod

[fast scroll]

But why though?

[burnt granite]

propably a bad pc

[ripe quest]

I have a fine PC, I run those graphics for 150+ fps in HiStG hordes/holdouts and to eliminate input lag. It's just a config edit, not a mod.

[spare dome]

just click 'no' in the graphics menu

[ripe quest]

My graphics options do say "N/A"

[sharp zodiac]

Oh that's going right inside khora

[zealous basin]

erm

[delicate shadow]

I actually updated my game and tried out the new shit

the lore still makes zero sense but that's fine, legally distinct jetstream sam was indeed cool

[misty ravine]

I use it but I fully admit it's a meme. Works well for chain heavies on crushers, chain lights on hordes for CDR, or heavy to pick one elite/special in a crowd and then crit the rest with a light, again for CDR

[sharp zodiac]

Very

[ripe quest]

It's good on the Mk XV. People use Rampage + whatever except Bloodletter, Rev It Up, and Perfect Strike. Bloodthirsty allows you to chain 1 shots on Crushers fairly easily.

[fast scroll]

Welp people mentioned Jetstream sam not it's time to ask for legally distinct Jetstream zealot

[wicked mortar]

what is dump stat on thunder hammer?

[north sedge]

Defense

[zenith fog]

i was about to ask the same question, magic

what actually decides if a charged evis attack gets stuck on an enemy or cleaves through. ive had charged lights cleave through soft horde targets.

is it as soon as somebody survives the initial impact?

[ripe quest]

It sticks if it hits something it can't cleave. It'll also stick if you hit something that has armor stop, like a Bulwark shield or a Crusher.

I recall there being some extra nuance to it, regarding elites and specials.

[spare talon]

another day of someone not quite understanding how a devils claw user can wreak this much carnage

[fleet zealot]

yes

[fast scroll]

It looks like it came Australia why wouldn't it do a lot of damage

[fleet zealot]

it will always stop at elite/specials/monstros

otherwise it will stop when it runs out of cleave or the swing ends due to reaching the end

[spare talon]

cuz people dismiss it as the starter sword
ive had people automatically assume i was using a heavy sword, cuz theres no way the dinky starter sword could do that is what i think theyre thinking

[fast scroll]

I know it's good but I like bonk more

[fleet zealot]

tbf dclaw used to suck

[spare talon]

that also plays a part in it too

[fleet zealot]

had terrible damage into flak armor and the parry was bad

[spare talon]

but when it got buffed, it did get its time in the spotlight
people were comparing to power swords

[fast scroll]

What is parry good for?

[spare talon]

everything

you can parry the negative thoughts away

[fast scroll]

I got the thunder strike sound effect for that

[spare talon]

the parry counts as a block, so just like with blocking and pushing, it works 360 degrees
you can parry an attack from behind to hit whats in front of you

and when the parry does like over 1.4k damage with a very very quick swing speed

its really fucking good

can be used to nuke bosses using both the bosses and also surrounding enemies attacks for parries

[sharp zodiac]

Hnn now I gotta gett 30k standing for the helminth upgrade for archon shards

Tomorrow

[coarse birch]

the grind truly does never stop

[sharp zodiac]

Gonna have to cut it close tho

Because for the next week I'll be unable to play at all

In like 3 days

[coarse birch]

trip?

[spare talon]

or as an online friend of mine says

[coarse birch]

also yeah dclaw is cool

ive been using the 7 on psyker

[median steeple]

this is some looney toons shit

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120299759316520960/1214123192138989568/77ccc46a447f4574a065d1af4bb500de.mp4?ex=65f7f756&is=65e58256&hm=0ad6c12cdc5f1e6ed07a2834bb062f985aa00174ed75d3644a82fd98f5beee16&

[spare talon]

ikr

[coarse birch]

do you use SS/rampage or shred

[spare talon]

piety

w/ shred

[coarse birch]

yeah makes sense

[spare talon]

rampage shred

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah

Currently in Maryland as we speak

[coarse birch]

i was debating trying shred even without piety

casue dclaw crits are so good

but i need to test it

[coarse birch]

nice

i think

[spare talon]

this is what mine looks like

[sharp zodiac]

It's not like Chicago

[spare talon]

i dont even need that last 10%

[sharp zodiac]

So it's immediately better than that trip

[coarse birch]

yeah ive heard chicago is uh

interesting

[spare talon]

i relocated that point to second wind and my eyes were opened

[coarse birch]

second wind is quite pog

it is non stop toughness regen

[spare talon]

it does have an internal cooldown tho

its really short tho

like unnoticable short

[coarse birch]

yeah its very short like

0.5s or something

[spare talon]

somewhere between .5 to 1 sec

[spare talon]

i really wanted to like the 7 and the 1

but i just dont

i think their movesets are really dogshit to use

[coarse birch]

the one is just kinda uninteresting

[spare talon]

the 4 literally having an overhead as h1 is literally the best part

[coarse birch]

i like the 7 having a push attack a lot

[maiden path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ay4M6fAI45M

[spare talon]

like how can you look at this and say "actually i want a side swipe h1"

[inner cargo]

Fellas, does anyone have a build I could use with eviscerator mk15

?

[fast scroll]

Anyone got a build recommendation for Ironhelm thunder hammer?

[viral hare]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b7c7751-da5a-4e2a-86c3-421c80b18bc2/crit-xv?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[maiden path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCyGvGEtOwc

when will ppl get this fuckass early 2000's fake skater haircut

thats a weird hairpart that shows off their giant forehead

[inner cargo]

Thank you, I'll also try finding one for Crucis thunder hammer

[viral hare]

With crucis you can go a lot of places in the zealot tree, crits is pretty safe, but if you want then you can also go with martyrdom keystone and maximize raw dmg. Shroud field for funny one shot meme cannon builds

[fast scroll]

Isn't martyrdom ass?

[viral hare]

Generally for all of them a hammer should have thrust + slaughterer, unyielding dmg and either flak or maniac

[viral hare]

nope

[inner cargo]

I should try it

[spare talon]

who told you that

[fast scroll]

Does it not require you to have low HP to deal more damage?

[spare talon]

it does

with martyrdom, you can actually be incredibly tanky too

theres the node that gives you tdr with each missing wound too

and attack speed

which attack speed isnt just "oh more damage faster", also take into account the fact that the more often youre hitting enemies, the less often they can hit you

[fast scroll]

Seems like too much of a risk for the average player

[spare talon]

plus paired with all of the other things that reduce damage make marty actually quite tanky

[quasi marsh]

you dont intnetionally tank yourself down to low hp for marty

[spare talon]

the right martyrdom build can have drastically more effective health than a zealot running max health

[quasi marsh]

marty makes you tanky even at high hp

[quasi marsh]

can tank sniper shots

[spare talon]

this is a huge factor in it

[quasi marsh]

ye

[spare talon]

if youre entire healthbar is wounds, most hp damage you take is already going to be reduced drastically

[quasi marsh]

i take the heal dmg you've taken as well

lul

drastically nerfs the dmg you take and then you heal it back too

its just a tank build

[spare talon]

stack that on top of all of the other resistances you can have

[warped dragon]

It’s funny and crazy watching the martyr zealots health go down and back up over and over

[spare talon]

and youre just unkillable

[south folio]

zealot has until death and holy rev to offset the risk

[spare talon]

exactly

[quasi marsh]

yeah even when you get low, you get huge permanent buffs + holy rev to keep yourself alive too

[spare talon]

and since it caps you at 25%, youre still low enough to get a very large benefit fromy marty still

[visual stream]

Take chastise for crusher and no-setup mauler one shots, take momentum keystone to be able to one shot maulers better without chastise and generally better everything, make sure you have Thy Wrath Be Swift. Take sustained assault and the attack speed node in the branch to the left of it. Take crit CDR.

[inner cargo]

High risk high reward

[quasi marsh]

its not really risky at all

[visual stream]

Or backstab cdr, but I find crit cdr preferable

[quasi marsh]

marty build is LESS risky in terms of dying than most builds

like i said, you can literally tank a sniper shot and dust yourself off with Bleed for the emprah

[inner cargo]

I should try martyrdom crucis

It sounds like a plan

[spare talon]

but not too low for it to be too dangerous
with all the bonuses you have, youre very unlikely to die until you get until death back up unless you fuck up so bad that any amount of health wouldnt save you

[visual stream]

Martyrdom is definitely way less risky than my build, but my build lets me consistently be at top performance and reach breakpoints without being low health

[fast scroll]

Thanks

Now to get to level 30 to have a better hammer

[visual stream]

Oh yeah, save your mats for when you get to 30. You'll need all of em unless you get blessed like I did a while back

Hammer is a "little" tough to roll for

[spare talon]

people consider marty the "take damage then kill god" keystone but it really isnt if you wanna make the most of it
its just a really big safety cushion and gives you buffs when you need them

[visual stream]

Martyrdom definitely good outside of the buffs, I mean being able to go down so many times with only losing a little more max hp each time is already pretty decent

That and taking a tiny bit too much corruption won't 1st down=death you

[fast scroll]

I've been keeping an eye out in the shop for any blessings I might need

[spare talon]

but then there are those very intelligent people who think marty requires purpled wounds to activate
so they down themselves 8 times and then the next moment that there are more than 2 elites they just fucking die lmao

[coarse birch]

surely it needs to be corruption

[visual stream]

I have encountered the people who get low on purpose, but not those people

[fast scroll]

I would take the aura that cures corruption just to mess with them

[spare talon]

im just putting two and two together
people have asked about it in the discord
and ive seen many martyrdom zealots who take the name of the keystone a little too literally

so either its that

or they are just that bad

[visual stream]

Well, if we think about it, martyrdom does technically let you brute force your way through existing a bit better as long as you keep getting revived

If someone with the same skill issue played both a no wounds build and a mart build, they'd last like 10x longer on mart

[inner cargo]

So basically

Martyrdom is more of safety pillow

Than the "get low kill god"

[spare talon]

assuming no situation comes up where they person is unable to be revived

[spare talon]

yes
a very deadly safety pilow for the heretics

the comeback kid keystone

[inner cargo]

I do wanna try crucis martyrdom

[misty nova]

I can give your heals to the team, there's always one that need

[inner cargo]

Say, does anyone even have martyrdom crucis build I wonder

[visual stream]

That's a good one too

[inner cargo]

It sounds like a plan

[spare talon]

i just pulled up the build editor and made one just now
this is what i would use if i used thammer, but i dont lmao

[fleet zealot]

crucis doesn't usually like martyrdom over momentum just cause martyrdom doesn't have easy access to a CDR talent (hp loss is terrible cdr talent)

[inner cargo]

I see

[minor sage]

You can give it a try with IH though

Theoretically it should work

[inner cargo]

What's difference between crucis and IH?

[minor sage]

Crucis is single target focus ih is horde focus

[inner cargo]

I see

What blessings and perks should I aim for?

[coarse birch]

Thrust/slaughterer or headtaker and flak/unyielding for both, elites works in place of flak

Unyielding/thrust being the most important

[minor sage]

I would do slaught over ht on IH though

[coarse birch]

I agree

[minor sage]

Due to the nature of it

[coarse birch]

Yeah your killing right away

[visual stream]

Mm, waiter! More impact blessings!

[fading vale]

the 1 thing I don't like about crucis marty fire nades is giving up sustained sucks

and if you are gonna give up sustained you might as well run momentum

[bitter anvil]

I use martyrdom on all kind two handed weapon

[inner cargo]

I guess for martyrdom the perfect curios are +1 wound ones?

[fading vale]

yeah either all wound curios or 2 wound and 1 toughness

[bitter anvil]

Go 3 wound

[stone fern]

pfff you guys need 2 wound 1 STAMINA

[polar nexus]

3 stam

run all day

[stone fern]

no just +1 stamina

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/reddit-is-down-the-hall-gif-16217874748283718723

[polar nexus]

3 +1 stam

[bitter anvil]

Go 3 +3 stamina

And you are marathon

[stone fern]

damn I am beaten i have no come backs for this

[polar nexus]

so exhil, i tried wrath shred yesterday on the chword

with my bp build

that was kinda disgusting

[spare talon]

this is the the ultimate weapon

[bitter anvil]

Blazing piety?

[polar nexus]

yes

[bitter anvil]

Bp is too good

I would love use on chorus

Spam it out is funny

[fading vale]

it's too free and crit CDR is stupid, I wish piety was actually more than permanent 25% crit chance

[spare talon]

no it isnt
piety is actually very bad
it actually needs buffs
tons of buffs
to make it not terrible
it does not need any nerfs whatsoever
please stop drawing attention to it cuz it is bad
it needs no changes
there is nothing broken about it

[ripe quest]

Any build with Chainsword involved will be nutty by proxy. I personally fancy a Martyr XIIIg w/ Wrath + Rampage.

[bitter anvil]

I would try knife bleed crits trying get high crits chance for chorus

I don’t have a knife

[coarse birch]

surely crit cdr piety is balanced

[polar nexus]

i have that too, it's very potent

[spare talon]

any weapon with shred is better for crit cdr honestly

[ripe quest]

The most powerful part of Blazing Piety is something that isn't even in Blazing Piety's kit which I think is stupid.

[bitter anvil]

I want keep enemy alive so I can crits more

[ripe quest]

Crit CDR is too strong and BP is only good because it enables Crit CDR.

[fading vale]

that's true I just don't like the whole design of piety

[coarse birch]

yeah what exhil said is true but its also just not super interesting

its just more crit randomly for existing

[polar nexus]

then i used a hsword with bp, that thing has no right to be this good with it

[spare talon]

just run a dclaw or something with low damage so you can hit 5+ enemies per swing without killing them

[bitter anvil]

I would have to roll it low damage

[ripe quest]

imo it should reward crits and not be a fuel for them. It's just like "wow 25% crit chance for free". Left branch for melee spec and right branch for ranged crits.

[fading vale]

they could remove the fury build up and make it a flat node and the keystone wouldnt change at all

[polar nexus]

it's not a crit weapon and you just replenish you ult faster than ever

[spare talon]

which do you think is better
1+1+1+1+1
or 5 + 5 + 5 + 5

[coarse birch]

111111 is the best zealot build

[still quartz]

Logged on today just to see that the Emperor's fuckin bonk stick dropped

Y'all mfs already know what's up

[spare talon]

due to how much cleave it has innately

[still quartz]

Why am I speaking like I'm from the hood

[bitter anvil]

What is that?

[fading vale]

[ripe quest]

Crit weakspot w/ a ranged weapon explodes the target and ignites nearby enemies.

[still quartz]

Idunno I'm more of a 322323 fan myself

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/numbers-mason-cod-black-ops-gameplay-gaming-video-game-gif-17671379

[fading vale]

322223

[polar nexus]

yes and i dunno what's broken? cleave, power, crit cdr or just the 3 of them

[spare talon]

like youre only hitting one enemy at a time with knife
sure it does less damage and is a little faster
but with any other weapon you can use the weaker attacks and hit way more enemies, which still doesnt kill them

like i use a single light attack and it crits and i get 1/3rd of chastise back

[coarse birch]

i knew you couldnt let this pass lol

[polar nexus]

is that from cod black ops?

[visual stream]

Yes

[bitter anvil]

I’m trying figure out the way get crits combine scourge source

[polar nexus]

man, that post credit ending

[visual stream]

"The numbers Mason, what do they mean"

[spare talon]

wdym

[polar nexus]

i think cod bo is my favorite cod

[bitter anvil]

I means trying getting all source crits

[polar nexus]

i should have tried bo 2 and 3

[visual stream]

Black Ops 1 and 2 were the peak of the entire series and no one can change my mind on that

[fading vale]

a cleave weapon with shred has 80% crit chance

a knife is like 75

[bitter anvil]

Which cleave weapon?

[ripe quest]

tbf Riposte exists.

[visual stream]

Dude

[fading vale]

well yeah but precog

[spare talon]

base crit = 5%
piety with right tree = 25%
scourge = 30%
shred = 20%

[visual stream]

I would recommend getting 2 (only 2) if it wasn't still full price 10 years later

[spare talon]

thats 80% from just hitting things

[bitter anvil]

Does those diminish value?

[spare talon]

crit is additive

[bitter anvil]

Okay

[polar nexus]

shred is 20 not 25?

[spare talon]

its 20

[fading vale]

it is now

[polar nexus]

damn, i remembered it wrong

[fading vale]

I feel like it was 25 a while back but I could be wrong, I know it's definitely 20 though

[polar nexus]

well, my best chwords have + 4% crit locked so...

[spare talon]

may be mixing it up with max piety, which is also 25%

[fading vale]

just a casual 80% crit chance

like why is this a thing

[coarse birch]

we need it

[polar nexus]

that's not even the best part on the chword, per exhil findings

[ripe quest]

This is true for straight damage. Though there's value in hitting like 95% crit chance even on a weapon with shit cleave values. I think it's a neat sidegrade.

[fading vale]

yeah riposte is a fine option given the uptime

[ripe quest]

Get to tap into that extra part of Duellist almost 100% of the time too

[fading vale]

does riposte refresh itself

[spare talon]

precog being 2 seconds i personally think is ass

[polar nexus]

does the special on crusher have infinite cleave?

wait

[fading vale]

special light does

[ripe quest]

Last I checked it could be refreshed while it's up.

[polar nexus]

that's stupid

you can farm crits then

[fading vale]

yeah crusher needs a slight tune down in safety

[coarse birch]

its just the special

that i dont like

its p much trauma staff but its doesnt even cost peril

where you just cant be touched

[ripe quest]

a crit special sweep into like anything will usually give you a full ult back which I think is funny.

Gives it an added utility other than situational door spam

[coarse birch]

the AOE + infinite cleave is really insane

[fading vale]

especially when the ult guarantees crit

[ripe quest]

mhm

[coarse birch]

tbf the game could probably do with less "i pause the game" stuff anyway

[fading vale]

you ever see the builds with both crit and backstab CDR

[coarse birch]

unless its something like a really limited resource

[fading vale]

HOW MUCH CDR DO YOU NEED

[coarse birch]

i need to be in chastise at all times

[polar nexus]

it's a waste of points imho

[fading vale]

well duh

lol

[coarse birch]

tbf i dont like taking crit CDR unless im running piety anyway

like it works

but im running momentum anyway so im taking backstab

[visual stream]

Still waiting for a dev to randomly see my suggestion to turn smite into a wide and strong shotgun blast instead of the epitome of this statement

[polar nexus]

you could go with a martyr crit build

[fading vale]

I mean if you are taking a weapon with shred and run scourge you still get 55% crit chance

[spare talon]

same
i dont really run marty so if im not taking piety, im going momentum
and at that point im using backstab cdr

regardless what weapon

[coarse birch]

maybe if i had shred on my weapon, but if im running shred im also probs running piety

[fading vale]

or a knife/taxe I guess you get 50 without shred

which is still a crit every other swing....

[coarse birch]

zealot base crit is 5 right

[fading vale]

yeah

[ripe quest]

That is unless you got a Chainsword and just wipe enemies too well for you to stack Scourge

[polar nexus]

the claw special is very good design in that sense

[fading vale]

this is what makes me sad about people running scourge on caxe

[bitter anvil]

I wonder who discovered 5% crits weapon?

[fading vale]

like when is that going to proc

[ripe quest]

PA spam

[coarse birch]

when they special 🙂

[fading vale]

please stop

[ripe quest]

Unironically this is a major thing I utilize on the Achlys Shred + BM setup

because the PA is good for the horde clear combo you can stack Scourge lol

[fading vale]

we do not need a revival of people push attacking on antax

[coarse birch]

achyls is probably the only one that might benefit naturally

[bitter anvil]

PA with Take a swing