zealot-class

[hidden verge]

melee with chainaxe and martyr build is so much fun lol. I just had some great runs in auric maelstrom with melee mutator...

[royal vortex]

when a headshot didnt one tap them outright

😔

[ripe quest]

@fading vale @frozen glen

[frozen glen]

lmao

[fading vale]

[frozen glen]

what about the apc

[ripe quest]

one sec

I got 2 mechs, 2 rocket launchers, a buggy and an apc

[vocal pulsar]

@south folio

[south folio]

don't talk to me

[royal vortex]

whats the buggy look like

[median steeple]

there should be three mechs unless they're not bringing one over

the buggy is goofy fun

[royal vortex]

that rocket launcher is sick

[north sedge]

only two confirmed atm

[median steeple]

ok so we have the stomper which is the chaingun and missiles and the obsidian which has two dual autocannons

[ripe quest]

It's the Patriot and the Emancipator rn, I didn't see a third.

[frosty herald]

YOOOOOO

[median steeple]

shit goes hard

I saw APC gameplay earlier and it looks great

[royal vortex]

hell yeah

[frosty herald]

Catch me drifting these robots like its 80s japan

[median steeple]

thats their HD2 names but they're literally the same loadouts from HD1

wait...

is the motorcycle there

[frosty herald]

The antennas even move

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-old-man-shaking-head-gif-3938163323164042530

[median steeple]

holy shit it's a bushmaster lmao

[ripe quest]

No.

[median steeple]

fym "no"

[ripe quest]

I meant no as in the motorcycle isn't there

[median steeple]

Oh alright

[frosty herald]

Theoretically i could jump ontop of a mech with my unsafe railgun and just wreck stuff

[median steeple]

its so over

[ripe quest]

If you hit the mech on accident it'll kill both you and the pilot

all of the vehicles are mega glass cannons, the APC being the tankiest of them

[frosty herald]

Calculated mistake

[median steeple]

I think I heard that one of the mechs can oneshot biles

[ripe quest]

Probs due to the armor rating bug or smth (it's like they're unfinished)

[median steeple]

nah if any armor is working its the enemies

maybe the damage is bugged since its unfinished or its supposed to be giga busted

all we need is the HAV now

[frosty herald]

Why hasnt armor been fixed yet anyway

It seems like an easy fix

[viral hare]

they prob saving it for the big patch

[ripe quest]

I imagine it is but they lumped it into the next patch

[vast basin]

Yeah I imagine there is going to be a ton of balance changes in the big patch

[median steeple]

the CEO? or game director said they're looking into a balance change so yeah I probably imagine the armor will be fixed then

the breaker gets the most kills out of any weapon but isn't the one that completes the most missions

[ripe quest]

There's also a grenade launcher that props up walls but I couldn't get it to work

[viral hare]

everyone playing helldivers meanwhile my broke ass still playing the same games I bought 5-10 years ago modded to shit

[ripe quest]

It's the most universally applicable good weapon. Other weapons out-niche it and can get higher damage against Bots or Bugs.

[median steeple]

yeah the stats are def leaning to missions that people just run buy everything to finish all the objs

[vocal pulsar]

@mods do something I'm being threatened

[coarse birch]

Arco told me to sleep permanently in dms

Bad man

[vast basin]

Just tell him no bully

Usually works

[south folio]

mankar was ghost pinging me across different discords

i will kill him

[vocal pulsar]

What is this ghost pinging

[fleet zealot]

🍿

[vocal pulsar]

Sounds crazy to me

[vocal pulsar]

And?

It's just a ping

Oh

I don't see it

[south folio]

yeah because somebody deleted it

and i wonder who

[vocal pulsar]

Who'd do that lol

Have you been getting enough sleep arco

[ripe quest]

So the mechs are on a long cooldown and you only get 2 per mission it seems

[vocal pulsar]

This is concerning

[ripe quest]

same with APCs

I'm curious to see what else I can edit

A fun balancing thing is that one of the mechs takes over my Railgun so my only anti-heavy is RR, the new EAT, and AC

Oh and I suppose the mechs

[median steeple]

this is an improvement over the HD1 way of doing it

[ripe quest]

What'd they do in HD1?

[median steeple]

it was one use only and if you ran out of ammo or it was destroyed that was it, so at least we have two this time

[ripe quest]

The Patriot mech has very little ammo in it but it is super potent while it's up. Can also carry 1h obj's with it.

Hit the Hulks w/ that left and right click combo like twice and they're down

[frozen glen]

the shield backpack covers ur mech in the shield too

[median steeple]

i do hope they add the upgrade system HD1 to 2

I would love to upgrade the mechs

[frosty herald]

from dreadnought box to knight paladin titan

[ripe quest]

Ah yeah that's not available for these mechs sadly

So like, I'm testing the mechs on T1 and the ship that drops the mech off blew up the obj lmao

[frozen glen]

that's a lie they just blow you up

[ripe quest]

It'd be funny if they added a thing that detects if you're doing smth like this and it sends the traitor barrage at you

Just like "You lack the clearance to use this" "Incoming 380mm barrage"

[vast basin]

That's just scrambled stratagems with extra steps

The scrambled stratagems modifier is actually just an incompetent worker or something

Oh he asked for a tac pack? Cluster bombs it is

[frosty herald]

thats why you always throw stuff in the middle of a horde

bound to kill something

[ripe quest]

I got rocket pods, a 500kg, a 380, and a railgun supply drop and one of them will be hurled at that Charger this instant!

[ripe quest]

Imagine being popular.

lmao

[south folio]

kill mankar

[buoyant pecan]

@south folio

https://tenor.com/view/pinged-lol-who-pinged-me-it-was-me-i-pinged-you-gif-20618713

[south folio]

agoooooooooooooooooooooo

nhgnnhunhnh

[frozen glen]

why is the creature making baby noises

[coarse birch]

Is he attempting communication

[fading vale]

wtf there's a pet tide channel

and it's not zealot chat

[south folio]

why would they have two channels that do the same thing

[fading vale]

I was busy trying to find a random channel to mention arco in and found it

[south folio]

just delete zealot chat

YOU FUCKER

[left iron]

[south folio]

WHY ARE YOU LISTENING TO MANKAR

how many people did he DM

to do this

[fading vale]

he did not DM me

I just naturally picked up on it

[south folio]

alright so you're on the same level as him

you don't even have the excuse of "he told me to do it"

[fading vale]

genius level

[south folio]

you're just a sick bastard

[lusty turtle]

@south folio

[south folio]

...

[lusty turtle]

wouldn't it be funny

[royal vortex]

recorded forever

[lusty turtle]

if i put you in time out, just to @ you from the timeout channel

[south folio]

wha

[fading vale]

lol

[south folio]

no

it wouldn't be funny

[fading vale]

I'm laughing

[lusty turtle]

but why

[south folio]

no

no laughing

[royal vortex]

it must be recorded

forever

[lusty turtle]

but why

[fading vale]

you deserve a timeout

[lusty turtle]

its just a ping

[royal vortex]

it has been logged

[fading vale]

man I've had ramen once or twice before and it was soooo mid

[south folio]

i think that society should stop persecuting those at the edges

[fading vale]

but that ramen last night was

[fading vale]

you do have a lot of edges in that setup

[lusty turtle]

its literally just alternate pasta

[royal vortex]

ur alternate pasta

[lusty turtle]

its more about whats with it than anything else

when its good its good

but its usually mid

[vast basin]

I mean ramen in Japan is literally like fast food

[fading vale]

I had tonkatsu last night and it was fire

had a jammy egg and chashu

[coarse birch]

Ramens fine for what it is

[north sedge]

good ramen is delicious

[fading vale]

pho has always hit hard though

I like the Vietnamese meatballs

[covert sail]

For combat knife, which would be more important, First Target, or Penetration?

[fading vale]

first target

but ideally both

[covert sail]

I got two that have good damage but they flip flop on pen and ft

[ember yew]

how much

im using 65/65

and it still obliterates

[covert sail]

71/53 for first and 34/75 2nd

[ember yew]

oh sht

[covert sail]

first being pen

[ember yew]

34 is definitely a skip

[covert sail]

second ft

[fading vale]

I would get a new knife

[ember yew]

pretty much

[covert sail]

rolled another,. 68/76

mobility was the one that took the hit which is good

[ember yew]

[ember yew]

mobility still need to be in around 50 range

in order for you to get 5 dodges

[covert sail]

its 47% :/

[ember yew]

check if you have 5 dodges

in psykanium

[coarse birch]

Im p sure you get 5 dodges with knife no matter what

I might be tripping

But i thought that was hard coded

[ember yew]

that's why i asked him to re-check

[covert sail]

ye i got 5

[ember yew]

good then

[covert sail]

for knife wanna run momentum build right?

[ember yew]

both viable

[covert sail]

both being martyr

?

[ember yew]

crit and momentum

not sure about martyrdom

[covert sail]

always wanna run the stealth ability tho with knife?

[ember yew]

for crit you get insane cdr and reset on Chastise

im using chastice but stealth is viable

im using it for survivability and atk speed buff

and mobility

usually im soloing the bosses with mk6 knife

[covert sail]

is braced autoguns and revolver our go to for range?

[ember yew]

knife is universal weapon

anything works as secondary

if going crit

Columnus 5 Infantry autogun

is the best pairing

if momentum

[viral hare]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b720303-6bd6-4b68-93c8-ad74351d21b9/rat-jam-3 obligatory rat jam build

[ember yew]

any of 3 braced autoguns works great

[covert sail]

im still early so still getting stuff unlocked but, so far my knife has sprint efficieny whichim reroll, and has melee cit chance, and lacerate lvl 3 for blessing

[ember yew]

you need uncanny strike as 2nd blessing (important)

[covert sail]

ye need find one with that

[ember yew]

and later you can change sprint

melee crit can stay

[ripe quest]

Oh also I managed to get a pretty good look at what weapon attachments exist.

I'd have to make it two messages if I wanted to put it here if that gives a faint idea.

[frozen glen]

you've written longer

[ripe quest]

I have, but I have not listed longer.

It's a lot, cool stuff coming in. Some look like direct upgrades and others look like sidegrades to those upgrades.

Also a bayonet

I would've posted it on the reddit but the mech/vehicle stuff has unfortunately hidden that information from us and fortunately hidden it from our enemies.

[frozen glen]

post it in the darktide discord

[ripe quest]

Sure, once I get the chance I'll post highlights.

[covert sail]

Anyone got tips on how to get abhor the mutant done? where u kill a mutant with a melee while dashing with chastise?

any time i try to melee during the charge it ends the charge

[safe tusk]

Smash it with a thunder hammer for an instant one-shot. Make sure to not press S while using chastise.

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/helldiver-helldivers-helldivers2-chestbump-flag-gif-2708234001444907997

yeah thunderhammer is best weapon to do that penance

[frosty herald]

Sometimes the penance works sometimes it dont

[median steeple]

such is the whims of the changer of ways (fatshark)

[merry spade]

I joined a game in progress that was at the last leg of the mission, and this was my mission reward.

I don't use the hammer enough to know if shock and awe is a good blessing, but it's tier 4, so i presume it's not a garbage blessing...

[vocal pulsar]

useless blessing, sorry

thammer wants thrust (mandatory) + slaughterer/headtaker

[sharp oyster]

Is it important having many wounds as a Zealot?

[south folio]

only if you're running martyrdom (middle keystone)

[sharp oyster]

I see

What changes on every MK version and what makes them better than others? mele/ranged wise

[south folio]

for ranged weapons, the pattern is usually light-medium-heavy (e.g., slower firerate, higher daamge, then medium fire rate, medium dage, etc.)

for melee weapons, different attack combos

broadly speaking

[fair flax]

More wounds means less chances to get instadowned so while more wounds isn't like...the best thing ever outside of Martyrdom it's never a waste if you're thinking about that 2 health bar node.

Same with hp% boosts on curios, not awful but there's better choices to be made if the stars align with the right blessings and perks.

[fair igloo]

wait am i stupid i thought wounds didn't increase ur hp

[fair flax]

wounds are your hp

just different name for the same thing

[minor sage]

guys

should I just

join josho's helldivers game

or is that considered

non-consentual

[south folio]

if you want to, but he's playing with a full group at the moment

[fair igloo]

I thought wounds were just how mmanny timmes you could go down before dying instead of just being reviveable and didn't increase hp

[minor sage]

o steam is bugged i guess lol

[south folio]

prolly

[coarse birch]

@lusty turtle i return from work if you are still looking for games by chance

[fair flax]

Pretty sure wounds are also tied to your total hp bar too

[south folio]

wounds are just more segments

[minor sage]

no.

[south folio]

they don't add any extra health

[minor sage]

100 broken in 2 is 50x2; 100 broken into 5 is 20x5, but the total is still the same

[fair flax]

They definitely do. That's why people take the +2 wounds for Martyr. Because that's 2 additional segments to get bonuses from

[south folio]

wounds themselves do not grant health

[minor sage]

segments and health are different.

[south folio]

there are talents that give bonuses based on wounds

[fair flax]

Not according to the description on the talent

[minor sage]

why dont you go into a game

try equipping different curios

[south folio]

YES THERE ARE TALENTS THAT GIVE BONUSES BASED ON YOUR WOUNDS

[minor sage]

and see if your health changes

[south folio]

but wounds themselves do not interact with your total health

[minor sage]

you'll get more wound segments but your health won't change

[south folio]

or have any bonuses besides giving you more downs

[fair flax]

Bu we're talking about +2 wounds, which gives you additional health bar segments lol

[south folio]

yes, it gives you more segments

[coarse birch]

yes of your original health

[fair flax]

That's why it works with martyrdom

[south folio]

the segments indicate the amount of downs you have

yes

[fair flax]

Sooo

[coarse birch]

you are not gaining health

[south folio]

i'm not disputing that

[coarse birch]

you are gaining downs

[fair flax]

But you gain segments for martyr...so that's only partially true

[south folio]

...

[coarse birch]

what

[south folio]

i already said that there are talents that indeed give bonuses based on wounds

but wounds by default have no effect besides giving you more downs

[fair flax]

Dunno man, works in game. And I'm gonna go off of what happens in game instead of what people say

[ripe quest]

You take wounds with Martyr so you can get more stacks and with less damage taken. You can test it yourself, equip 3 stamina curios and go into the Psyk. Equip three wound curios. No health changes are there.

[south folio]

are you even reading what i'm saying

[fair flax]

Yes I am and you're only partially correct

[south folio]

you are having a completely different conversation with something else rather than with what i'm actually saying

[minor sage]

tfw arco getting trolled

[south folio]

alright, then restate what I'm saying

[fair flax]

The +2 wounds node gives you 2 additional segments for your health

[south folio]

mhm

it gives you extra segments

[fair flax]

Yes

So where's the disconnect

[south folio]

i'm saying that it's not giving you more total hp

[fair flax]

...

[minor sage]

if i cut an apple into 2 and I cut an apple into 4

how many apples do i have

[south folio]

more wounds = more segments of your existing hp

your total hp does not change

[fair flax]

Ohhh ok

That's some odd wording they have there lol

[frosty herald]

Doesnt wound also reduce corruption gain

[south folio]

nah

[ripe quest]

Trick question, there are as many apples as there are seeds in the core.

[south folio]

well, corruption gain from going down since each segment is less as you get more wounds

[minor sage]

ye only from going down

[south folio]

i do wish that wounds interacted with general corruption gain, like corruption gating in some way

to make them more useful by default

[minor sage]

eh

[ripe quest]

That's what HP curios are for

[minor sage]

i think a lot of the game systems

just need a general rework

[south folio]

at least with wounds i like how corruption interacts with it

[fair flax]

Meh FS just needs accurate tooltips. Their documentation practices suck xD

[south folio]

just that corruption should be made more important and that wounds consequently get something against corruption

i dislike how free health is in this game

[ripe quest]

No dude just spend 2k hours playing and you'll understand everything

trust me it all makes sense

🙂

[coarse birch]

true

[ripe quest]

did you see the HD2 posting earlier w/ the mechs

[coarse birch]

yeah i saw you mentioning them

[frank night]

[ripe quest]

The videos or just me mentioning them

[coarse birch]

teh videos

[frosty herald]

RAAAHHH MECHA COMBAT!!!

[ripe quest]

I've been going into pubs and giving the mechs to people

They actually feel somewhat balanced, outside of their dogwater HP

[coarse birch]

nice

hopefully the HP gets touched on

given pre release and all that

[frosty herald]

They should be able to survive a rocket barage but be left at like 100 hp

[fair flax]

Weird that a mec would have low hp lol

[ripe quest]

I'm assuming it's due to the armor rating bug rn

There's some DR or smth that makes them flimsy

[fair flax]

That makes a lot of sense, maybe they have high armor or a new armor class that's bugged

[ripe quest]

The APC is somewhat durable but feels a little weak around the terminids and the melee/vomit attacks from them.

I also noticed that half the time it'll bug out and kick whoever hops into the driver seat lol

[fair flax]

eww lol

Cool though that it's in HD2. Love that game but I just can't get into it without friends, comms and beer lol

[ripe quest]

Yeah once they actually come out I'm sure the issues will be mostly fixed

[fair flax]

HD2 is the kind of game you make a drinking game of with your buds, every time someone dies, the team takes a shot

xD

[merry spade]

Brunt is selling this, good starting point for hammer time or no?

[fair flax]

other than that T2 blessing, that's a decent starting point. Maybe you can reroll that one and slap another one on?

[merry spade]

we shall see

[frosty herald]

Its an ok hammer stat wise

[merry spade]

First consecration gives me this

[frosty herald]

My suggestion is to get one from brunts with high stats and just upgrade ut to gold

[frosty herald]

Its over

[viral hare]

still salvagable, if you get a good blessing

[merry spade]

Maybe the gold will save it lets see

[tropic terrace]

(it did not save it)

[merry spade]

... Well at least i get another tier 4 blessing added to the stickerbook...

[viral hare]

fuck you hadron

[frosty herald]

Its genuinely over

[vocal pulsar]

rip

[viral hare]

you cannot do this to this man

if you replace both blessings its usable but honestly just redo it

[merry spade]

I'm just gonna succ the blessing and attempt to reroll again

[viral hare]

gl

[frosty herald]

nah the perks are also bad

[fair flax]

I'm still fishing for a better stat Eviscerator to slap my good blessings on.

[viral hare]

carapace aint bad

elite dmg is whatever

[frosty herald]

you want an ironhelm with flak and unyielding

[viral hare]

yeah but still

carapace isnt bad

[visual stream]

Elite is good, but carapace doesn't do anything for ya I'm pretty sure

[median steeple]

on thammer in general I dont think you want cara no?

[frosty herald]

you will never hit a oneshot of a mauler or crusher with itonhelm

[visual stream]

I run elite+flak because it helps me with the only BP in the game that I have to work for other than crusher

[merry spade]

I forgot that i obtained this as a mission reward, i dont normally use the crusher so can someone tell me if its usable/salvagable?

[visual stream]

Misinformation moment

[frosty herald]

or have maniac unyielding

since you can kill flak trash with the special heavy

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511

[viral hare]

replace thunderstrike and specialist damage and it aint half bad

[visual stream]

It'd actually be pretty good after those changes if I'm following the crusher guide right

[viral hare]

yeh

[merry spade]

Would you belive the only blessings i have for the crusher are thunderstrike 1, alongside trauma 2 and 3?

[viral hare]

lmao im sorry

i mean if you replace thunderstrike with any of the +impact blessings its good nuff, then perk of your choosing instead of specialist

(i like flak)

crusher is one of those weapons where its not that hard to get a pretty good one

[fair igloo]

Aren't wut ur talking about bonuses gained entirely from martyrdom and not wounds themselves?

cuz like assuming ur not running martyrdom running more wounds doesn't give u more hp

[merry spade]

So, replace thunderstrike with trauma 3 (+18% impact on repeated hit)?

[viral hare]

for now sure, if you get another blessing you like or a t4 trauma then you can replace it again

[merry spade]

sounds like a plan

I am out of dockets for refining lol

[viral hare]

98 diamantine

[fair igloo]

Like if it makes sense, it doesn't give you more health it just increases how many times u can go down without dying
Like imagine your health was a pie cut into 4 slices and each time you went down an enemy took a slice of the pie
getting +1 wounds just cuts the pie into 5 slices it doesn't give you more pie

[viral hare]

we found the one guy that has less diamantine than plasteel

insane

[visual stream]

How did they do that

[merry spade]

Thats the cost to refine the crusher not the diamantine i've got

[visual stream]

Ohhh

[viral hare]

ok good lmao

[fair flax]

It does make sense. Just wish the tooltip was...IDK...accurate in what it says lol.

[visual stream]

Funny the rarer crafting mat is significantly less important

[merry spade]

This is my docket/diamantine/plasteel supply

[fair igloo]

there's a tooltip for wounds?

[viral hare]

ok thats more

normal lol

[fair flax]

Yeah it says +2 wound or something similar. That's it.

[fair igloo]

ya wounds are just your amount of downs

[tropic terrace]

Well yea that talent does exactly that, it gives you 2 more wounds

[fair igloo]

that's why there's a +hp boost curio cuz u know
that one gives u more health

[tropic terrace]

It never says anywhere wounds give you more HP

because they don't

[north sedge]

it is one of the few accurate tool tips

[fair flax]

Doesn't say anything about adding 2 wounds without adding more health. It's less an issue with the tooltip and more a complete lack of explaination by FS.

[fair igloo]

But there's a reason there are specifically separate +wounds and +hp curios-

[merry spade]

Wounds are basically how many times you can go down before you get captured, and (i am told) they also modify how much corruption damage you take from grimoirs, and some zealot talents care about the wounds.

[tropic terrace]

But it doesn't add more health, it just gives you two wounds. Use Numeric UI and check your health in the psykanium with and without 2+ wounds

[fair flax]

I do but thanks

Anyhow, yeah FS need to get better at explaining things to the players.

[fading vale]

wounds are not related to corruption outside of losing wounds to corruption

[fair igloo]

here's a good example of my health with no wounds vs +1 wounds
exact same hp but more segments basicallyyy

[merry spade]

I know there's a zealot talent that make it so damage that would take you to your next wound is drastically reduced, meaning that it makes you a bit tankier.

[fair igloo]

it's like the pie analogy i mentioned earlier

it just cuts your health into more slices to be eaten by the enemies when u get downed it doesn't give u more hp

[fair flax]

I know lol

[fading vale]

but yeah marty with bleed for the emperor

makes wounds tanky

[frosty herald]

seeing 6 wound vets ogryns and psykers hurts me

[fair igloo]

i'm a little dumb but i always thought the wounds thing made sense
like why would it increase ur hp when they already have curios to increase ur hp

[patent patrol]

Remind me, what do I want on a thunder hammer? slaughterer/headtaker, thrust, unyielding enemies and flak armor enemies?

[frosty herald]

too many people running wounds on malice

[fading vale]

yep, assuming you mean thrust is required

[patent patrol]

Obviously. Thrust definitely is.

[fair flax]

Because intuitively you wouldn't increase wounds without adding more hp since wounds are hp segments. But FS just divides up the hp pool to serve as wounds without adding. It's not a problem except for they just don't document stuff liuke that well, if at all.

[patent patrol]

I just picked up a decent stats Crucis and got slaughterer 4 as the first blessing. sadly the first perk is 20% damage to carapace armor. So I either need the blessings to pick up some SERIOUS slack or get at least one good perk that I need.

[fading vale]

carapace isn't dead but it doesn't really help much sadly

not anymore

since 3600hp

[fair flax]

Meh, I have it on my bolter, works good for my uses. But then again I speed run bosses lol.

[fading vale]

for hammer

[viral hare]

bolter monstrocity damage is stupid

[fair flax]

Ohhhh

[viral hare]

like aggressively stupid

[patent patrol]

I only run wounds cause I run martyrdom zealot. I DO run 1 wounds thing on my Ogryn just to last longer with corruption but I don't run full wounds.

[fair flax]

xD

[tropic terrace]

I mean, just replace the word wound with down and it makes perfect sense to me, idk

[fair igloo]

maybe it's cuz ur thinking of health as like segments which makes it seem like u have 2 health bars when in reality it's just designed to be 1 hp bar cut in 2 parts but i dunno lol

i always thought of it as 1 thing being cut into more pieces so it made sense to me

[patent patrol]

I only usually run 1 wounds just to filter out corruption a bit lol

[north sedge]

it's completely a weapon by weapon basis

[viral hare]

imo would be better for fs to just make a down counter and have martydom work off %hp

[patent patrol]

unless it's my zealot

[north sedge]

and they are not talking bolter

[patent patrol]

cause martyrdom

[fair flax]

Kinda picked up on that when they said hammer :p But thanks

[viral hare]

much too complicated tho

[north sedge]

having marty work off wounds makes an easier visual indicator

[fair flax]

More complex than this wounds/corruption system? I mean it'

s already a bit wonky and convoluted.

[fair igloo]

i think their point was that what's good and bad on a weapon is entirely dependant on the type of wep they're usinggg so bringing up another weapon entirely is kinda irrelevant but i'm kinda stupid

[tropic terrace]

salvagable?

[fair igloo]

where's arco when u need him

[tropic terrace]

surely there's another knife zealot around

[viral hare]

haymaker and perks are kinda poop, id roll for another

[royal vortex]

if u dont have a knife its ok

haymaker to uncanny stamina to anything else

[viral hare]

present, but im religiously attached to the mk3

[fair igloo]

my condolences on the knife 💔

[viral hare]

i dont like the new knife

[fading vale]

can get 2 good blessings and 1 good perk so it's not too bad

[royal vortex]

the best weapon to get weakspot damage on as a perk is probs knife - its bad, but the finesse modifier on that thing is so large its at least closer to the listed number

[obtuse stirrup]

I don't get the appeal of new knife

[frosty herald]

use corruption resistance

[tropic terrace]

shame, I'm a fan of haymaker

[obtuse stirrup]

Knife is a tool that does one particular thing super well

[fair igloo]

i love how needlessly flashy all the knife animations are
always throwing it up into the air and catching it to change positions for no reason

[obtuse stirrup]

Better that than something pretty well and everything else still mostly crap

[royal vortex]

its nice if ur using it as a mobility stick and dont have ranged horde clear e.g a ranged focused vet with a bolter or v7

since it gives u enough cleave esp with executor to hold off horde enemies reasonably well

[frosty herald]

did you take my knife advice for the new knife

[fair igloo]

i always felt like running a +1 wound curio on other classes was weird, especially as ogryn cuz like sure, it turns 33% corruption damage into 25% corruption damage but you also get -21% hp from losing the hp curio so wouldn't u end up with less hp afterwards??

but i probably have no idea what i'm talking about

[royal vortex]

i have no idea what your advice was

[frosty herald]

executor uncanny

[royal vortex]

i mean thats one of a handful of viable combos

not particularly standout advice

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-biting-angry-bugghugger-gif-24745763

[fair igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kill-cat-kill-gif-20949162

[fair flax]

I never go for wound curios. I'd rather just take +2 wounds and stick with +19% HP instead on the curios.

[fading vale]

toughness gang

[fair igloo]

well idrk how the numbers work for wounds and martyrdom zealot cuz i don't use ittt so i dunno if it's good or not

[placid fiber]

reporting for duty

[north sedge]

only go wounds for marty

[fading vale]

wounds are good for marty yes

[tropic terrace]

If you end up at the 2+ wounds talent on a build on anything other than Martyrdom you are doing it wrong

[fair flax]

toughness too! have +12% stamina regen x2 and 1 -12% stamina drain when running (that's my bad perk I'm stuck with lol)

[placid fiber]

I've been running 2 wounds 1 toughness on martyrdom, lately

Feels nice to have the extra toughness

[frosty herald]

i use full health on zealot because funny

and i can safely rev into hordes

[tropic terrace]

I used to run 2 wounds 1 HP, but swapped it out for 3 wounds with +5% hp on every curio and it basically fills in for the HP im missing without changing much from what I'm used to

[viral hare]

cursed

[fading vale]

I mean there aren't many useful curio perks anyways, HP, toughness, gunner resist, maybe 1 sniper resist but that's about it

[south folio]

ordo dockets OwO

[fading vale]

well of course

[tropic terrace]

ordo dockets true

[fair flax]

All mine have gunner and toughness dmg reduction, stamina and stamina regen.

[placid fiber]

What about bomber resist?

[patent patrol]

Guys, I have a question. I've been trying to adapt my skills on Zealot as a Martyrdom Ironhelm user. how does one use the Ironhelm? Cause I realized the moment I go above Malice I struggle. I guess mindlessly clicking and holding W no longer works after a certain point due to constant specials or big enemies lol

[fair flax]

+3 stamina is niiiice on a curios

[fair igloo]

also it looks like i was wrong about wound curios not really mattering w/ vs health curio difference earlier i guess u technically still get benefit from it on ogryn

[tropic harbor]

How correct are these guys? https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/m6Yl5W0IdZ

[fading vale]

there is no toughness damage reduction

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/counting-money-counting-cash-gif-12763317

ordo grindset

[viral hare]

i run on every single build no matter what, +3 stamina curio, 3x stamina regen perks, 3x gunner res perks. everything else is whatever i get

[fading vale]

and stamina is useless for zealot

[fair flax]

they're 2 seperate things mate :p

[tropic harbor]

I thought it looked interesting but then I remembered DT Reddit is sketchy at best

[fair flax]

toughness, damage reduction. Not touchness damage reduction

toughness*

[frosty herald]

cant wait to make a stamina build with block effeciency when bret longsword is given to vet as a power greatsword

[viral hare]

whys that

[fair flax]

lol no it isn't who says that?

[fading vale]

zealot base stamina stats are already more than enough

[tropic terrace]

the boltgun section is true. recently I've been seeing some vets do some serious work with that thing even though it's been declared mediocre since launch

[fading vale]

making more stamina not useful

[tropic terrace]

the rest I'm not experienced with to say

[fair igloo]

actually toughness regen speed is basically useless for zealot right? It's only rlly useful on ogryn?

i'm wondering if I should change it to +hp or a 2nd sniper resist

[fading vale]

yeah toughness regen speed is bad on zealot

[fair flax]

That sounds like a bad take. Zealots dodgeand push. A lot.

[viral hare]

more stamina = more room for schmoovement, i dont have to worry about it at all (also push attack spam on some weapons)

[fading vale]

naw, every experienced zealot will tell you the same thing

[fair igloo]

well tbf stamina is independant from dodging so i wouldn't really count it from that

[placid fiber]

Even when I was riding the loner train... yeah it was bad....

[fading vale]

nobody takes stamina

[south folio]

though you don't need the full amount of stamina to push

[fair flax]

Naw, that's just an objectively bad opinion

[frosty herald]

you dont need full stamina for dodging and blocking

[south folio]

i'd take stamina for rager block-trading with the knife PA but otherwise i'm taking other curios

[visual stream]

Well first I recommend the momentum keystone for Ironhelm, but martyrdom is still usable. Outside of that, if you're going to charge your hammer, use a heavy attack unless it's on a weak special enemy, never a light attack ever

[fair igloo]

even with like the crusher where you spam push attacks one after the other you have more than enough time for stam to regen in between each one

[fading vale]

you must be new to the class or something, extra stamina isn't useful

[north sedge]

stam is pretty meh yea

[tropic harbor]

Zealots regen is already so good you hear sonic booms if you have extra toughness regen curios and it will blow your arms off

[fading vale]

the only weapon could be knife that benefits from a stam or something cause push attacks

[visual stream]

Spamming left click does not work as well as using your heavies effectively for horde clearing

[fair igloo]

also taking the occasional 20 toughness damage insta refills your stamina bar anyways

[fair flax]

I can't believe people are trying to say stamina isn't good on zealot. That's the worst opinion I've heard in a long, long time.

[fading vale]

literally everyone says this

[tropic harbor]

Ignore my sonic boom post, was thinking of toughness

[fair igloo]

it's not that stamina isn't good on zealot it's just that zealot's stamina is already so good it doesn't really gain much from getting +stam curios vs the other options

[fair flax]

That just tells me you're trolling. No thanks.

[fading vale]

lol

[placid fiber]

Lazorr... trolling? What?

[fair igloo]

i trust lazorr look at their pfp

[south folio]

zealot has the 2nd highest base stamina and an average stamina regen delay

[placid fiber]

That's like saying Arco and Josho are best buds with no history of biting at eachother...

[frosty herald]

stamina is better spent for other effects

[south folio]

i'm not lacking for stamina on zealot

[tropic terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/sauron-eye-tower-bait-troll-gif-11868100540482910223

[fair igloo]

I agree stamina has lots of stamina

:)

[visual stream]

Five minutes ago you were arguing that wounds gives hp, I don't think you have much space to speak on the game yet

[south folio]

i cri

[frosty herald]

vet has an actual use for stamina since you need it for some talents

[viral hare]

curios are the most subjective thing in the game imo, in like 90% of cases its not nearly as important as your skills as a player and talents

[fading vale]

yeah zealot has 0 issues on default stamina, we have good base stam and regen speed and spend half the time sliding

[fair flax]

OK believe what you want

Doesn't make it right

[tropic terrace]

Carnifex what difficulty do you play on

[fair igloo]

The only times i've really "struggled" with stamina on zealot was when I had none from sprinting and then a bunch of ragers hit me when I tried to shove attack

hate that blockstun >:(

[fair flax]

Diff 5, damnation, usually. Or less if I'm doing twin speed runs.

[visual stream]

Just got into high intensity sedition recently

[fading vale]

like sure you can think stam is doing something for you but it's not

[viral hare]

just beat auric tutorial lets goo

[placid fiber]

The only character I've ever wanted stamina on was the psyker, tbh

[sharp zodiac]

Hnn

[fair igloo]

I think i finally got sedition down but i still struggle sometimes on uprising

[north sedge]

there's little use in general in this game for stamina, basically deadshot vet and then some minor use cases

[tropic terrace]

Damnation in the Meat Grinder doesn't count

[tropic harbor]

Lazorr knows his stuff when it comes to DT. He can come off as a dick at times but I don’t think it’s intentional.

[fair flax]

Bad opinion that's not true. Dodges require stamina. Shoves require stamina. Zealot does both. A lot. Limited stamina means you can't sustain constant dodges or phushes.

pushes*

[fair igloo]

Dodges do NOT require stam
they have their own independent counter

[fading vale]

I do come off as a dick but mostly when people are like this

[south folio]

dodges do not require stamina

[north sedge]

dodge does not need stam

[royal vortex]

shotgun section is bad

[south folio]

they stop stamina regen but do not require stamina

[tropic terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/one-gif-22722885

[south folio]

you regenerate stamina on getting hit when you have <50% stamina, and zealot starts off with +3 base stamina

[royal vortex]

lawbringer is the only one more reliant on special shot if you're doing like flechette/manstopper stuff

[visual stream]

I think the gif was true

[tropic harbor]

Also true. You’re just 100% honest and call people out which I respect

[visual stream]

Thank you for bringing livelihood to zealot chat with this wondrous bait, my friend

[south folio]

vet has +2 stamina (and 1s delay), and psyker has +1 stamina (and 0.5s delay)

[placid fiber]

Yeah, Lazorr is the goat

[royal vortex]

kant is good on zealot because it functions with a similar role as revolver

quick-swap tool that'll delete specials (besides obvious elite killing power with no respite)

[placid fiber]

Trying to argue with us players who have been here since the beginning in some cases and know our shit is foolish

[royal vortex]

on vet its a lil more eh because a lot of the ranged damage increases are finesse reliant

[viral hare]

damn philosophers playin darktide now huh

[fair flax]

Maybe but then how does my stamina drain constantly in melee as I'm dodging constantly?

[fair igloo]

i've been here since the beginning and i have no idea what anything is

[royal vortex]

has nothing to do with dodging

[south folio]

pushing/sprinting? idk

but dodges do not drain your stamina

[vocal pulsar]

I've never ever felt like I needed more stam on zealot.

[royal vortex]

sprinting/pushing/blocking are the only ways u run out of stam

[fair igloo]

probs cuz ur doing other things like shoving and since dodging stops u from regenning stam u might just be shoving and spamming dodge w/o giving urself time to regen stam

[placid fiber]

dodges only cancel stamina regen

[fading vale]

yeah dodges only stop stam regen

[south folio]

you can go record footage of your own gameplay and verify

[fair igloo]

u could go into the meatgrinder and test itttt dodges don't reduce stam at all but shoves and stuff do

[fair flax]

Nope, not shoving, I circle strafe with dodge. My stamina is almost always low when doing it.

[vocal pulsar]

Lol

[visual stream]

You have dollar store version of the game then

[vocal pulsar]

Okay you win we are all wrong you are right

[royal vortex]

worn

[south folio]

worn

[visual stream]

we are all worn

[fair flax]

Sigh

[viral hare]

i am shirt

im worjn

[vocal pulsar]

All the experts with 1000s of hours are false

[viral hare]

FUCK

[frosty herald]

Ngl

I never block or push when dodging

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-principal-skinner-skinner-children-out-of-touch-gif-4463952

[placid fiber]

Yeah we must know nothing

[tropic harbor]

Dodges don’t drain stamina. They do reset the regen timer but they don’t depend on stamina

[fair igloo]

I dunno but u can go and check it rn in the meatgrinderrr
if u have numericui too u can see that the dodge counter is independent from the stamina meter which u should know since u said u used the mod earlier

[royal vortex]

you can extend the period at which ur at low/0 stam by dodging which is actually nice for stuff like the desperation talent or the all or nothing blessing

but dodging does not actively drain stam

[fading vale]

blocking is super uncommon, limited to specific scenarios, and pushing is occasional for the most part

[vocal pulsar]

I block intermittently while slide dodging IF I know there are enemies right behind me

[royal vortex]

the value of ur pushes depends p heavily on weapon too

[frosty herald]

I just never really block

[fading vale]

True

[royal vortex]

low cleave ones are gonna push more for safety

[fair igloo]

well u can be pushing like every second if ur using crusher so it's weapon dependent

[viral hare]

damn show me that crusher build

[fair igloo]

but i never ran/will never run a stam curio on my crusher

[frosty herald]

Its too dangerous to block since you can always get your guard broken at 0 stamina

[placid fiber]

Or if you're like me and you panic push >.>

[visual stream]

The three ironhelm users take great offence to that pushing part, I'll have you know

[fair igloo]

okay one sec!! i will warn u tho it doesn't have thy wrath be swift sooo

[sharp oyster]

Hey I'm really enjoying the Eviscerator

But I got a question

[tropic terrace]

Salvageable?

[fading vale]

there's a good crusher guide in the pins too

[sharp oyster]

What is the alt attack?

[fair igloo]

oh wow it actually doesn't have faithful frenzy either

[visual stream]

Always salvagable until purple

[tropic harbor]

I know sometimes it can seem like you never have stamina but that doesn’t mean it’s because of dodging. Are you sliding when you sprint? Do you block when you could dodge? Are you finding that you’re always sprinting? Little things like that can turn your games around

[viral hare]

thats good, i know how to use the crusher but i never know what to take with it

[fair flax]

Considering yesterday people were trying to tell others that the bolter sucks with Chastise/Brittleness...color me resistant to anything anybody says here.

[south folio]

we never said it sucks with chastise

we said it was better with chastise

[fair igloo]

This is wut I use! That's a crusher i just like making it look like a thammer

[fair flax]

Some of you definitely did say that

[fading vale]

we said shattering isn't very good

[south folio]

we absolutely did not

[fair flax]

OK

[north sedge]

nobody said that

[south folio]

we said that shattering wasn't needed when you had chastise

[vocal pulsar]

It doesn't suck, but cavalcade is def better

[fading vale]

and chastise minimizes the effect of shattering

[south folio]

because chastise gives you armour downgrade and reduces the effect of shattering impact

[delicate shadow]

chastise is literally always good

[tropic harbor]

I think you may have misread it. Personally I’m a bolter lover anyway no matter what zealot chat says

[delicate shadow]

it is never bad

brittleness can be meh

[tropic terrace]

ended up with slaughterer 3 n sprint effieciency

[fair igloo]

chastise is both always good and the most fun >:)

[fair flax]

Hard disagree. Crits are great but team-wide damage debuff is more useful than getting a 25% increase crit chance for the last bit of your ranged.

[south folio]

you can go review the prior conversation and point out a message saying that we said bolter sucked with chastise

[viral hare]

tyty, i gotta try more weapons with crits

[left iron]

[delicate shadow]

(I'm a chorus simp tho)

[royal vortex]

all salvo blessings on bolter stack per shot

[tropic terrace]

my man preaches the truth

[fading vale]

team wide damage debuff on things that are already dead

[royal vortex]

so cavalcade is 5% crit chance per shot fired, insp barrage grants a stack per shot fired on bolter, etc

[fair igloo]

Chorus is also really fun too, it's just chastise is a DIFFERENT kind of fun

[royal vortex]

you have the full effect of cavalcade on every shot after the fifth in a salvo

[fair igloo]

It's the kill everything demoknight charge steamroll i'm unstoppable and can move at the speed of sound kind of fun

[south folio]

that relies on teammates taking advantage of it, and teammates are usually going to hit crushers with weapons that are already good against cara

[sharp oyster]

How does "cleave" works?

[fair flax]

If they're already dead then it doesn't apply. Holy crap dude lol. Think it through a bit more xD

[fading vale]

[vocal pulsar]

This. Also, consider how most pubs suck and won't make much use of your debuff

[delicate shadow]

the amount of units your attack will go through before stopping to do damage and/or stagger

[tropic terrace]

lol Lazorr stop falling for this

[viral hare]

you have the biggest and bestest gun and dont let anyone else tell you otherwise

[sharp oyster]

So..Having More cleave = more targets hit by a swing?

[fair flax]

Common sense says you use it on thicc enemies because dregs and all that are dead to anything.

[fading vale]

I know I know

[fair flax]

Zealot chat is super elitist when it comes to specific things

[tropic terrace]

dude shows up, tries to teach that wounds give more HP then picks debates with everyone that tries to correct him and labels everyone as trolls. is bait, quit engaging

[fair flax]

That's not exactly what happened, I was wrong and I admit it. Don't be a tool.

[fair igloo]

i've cleared uprising missions before don't mess with me

[sharp oyster]

Is Wrath good on Tigrus II?

[vocal pulsar]

I'm assuming you aren't being purposely dense. What laz is saying is the debuff doesn't matter, because with cavalcade the enemy will die far quicker than it would have with the debuff

[fading vale]

usually you want one cleave blessing and rampage, wrath is OK but most consider savage to be better

[delicate shadow]

at the most basic level, yeah.

it'll vary based on enemy type and stagger cleave can be separate from damage cleave i.e some weapons will hit their damage cleave limit but still be able to cleave more units for stagger

[viral hare]

tbf you DID say people had "the worst opinions ive ever heard"

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/mju5zg yeah, but you can do this with cavalcade and chastise. you seem to have a lot of misconceptions about the game mechanics so i wouldn't be so confident in all your opinions

[fair flax]

Except for the cases where they don't. Maulers, crushers, etc. If they LIVE. Then the debuff matters.

[sharp oyster]

Also I got a question what is the special attack of the eviscerator?

[visual stream]

They have been wrong before. Today is not one of those "before"s

[fair flax]

That should go without saying

[sharp oyster]

I didn't understand how it works

[tropic harbor]

Now hold on, you should use bolters and plasma against dregs because it turns them into pink mist. Very enjoyable

[fair igloo]

ignore the 5 crushers josho put into a meatgrinder

completely irrelevant imo

[vocal pulsar]

That's the thing. They aren't living when a single chastise cavalcade pinning fire bolter mag DELETES the congaline

[viral hare]

play like any of the explodey staffs on psyker

big blood bomba

[boreal cedar]

damn the bolter can do that ?

thats pretty cool

[royal vortex]

yup

[fading vale]

chainsaw that cleaves through enemies til you hit a special or elite

[boreal cedar]

havent tried it beside on veteran for some sort of sniper build so i dunno how to build it

[coarse birch]

bolter is very strong you just need to build for it

[sharp oyster]

So..it does nothing againsts Elites whatsoever

[coarse birch]

depending on what you want out of it

[boreal cedar]

i just got all my classes at 30 and havent focused minmaxing builds

[fair igloo]

Also that kinda makes me want to try bolter out!! i wonder if it's viable to use on a crusher build if I took +cara off of my crusher?

[viral hare]

anyway i go finish essay due in like half an hour dont die zealot chat

[coarse birch]

less pick up and play than most of the other stuff

[fair flax]

So, then common sense dictates if you just killed everything with a mag dump then the situation doesn't really matter one way or the other because all the enemies are dead.

:/

[fading vale]

oh it does much more damage than a normal attack but has a saw animation

[fair igloo]

gl with ittt :)

[fair flax]

What's so hard to get? If the enemy lives, then shattering impact will matter. If they don't live then you were overkilling no matter what anyhow.

[tropic harbor]

Don’t worry I’ll totally make this charge against 20 gunners actively shooting at me

[royal vortex]

you want flak/cara and cavalcade/pinning fire generally. perks are a bit more to taste but i would probs always run cara because bolter is best paired with stuff that doesn't deal with armor well

[sharp oyster]

So it's better Savage Sweep or Wrath?

[fading vale]

anything left alive from a bolter is going to be low health anyways

[coarse birch]

i wouldnt take it with crusher tbh, and cara is good enough to keep on crusher imo

[boreal cedar]

gonna be honest i have no idea what any of those are

[coarse birch]

id take it with like hsword

[fading vale]

savage considered better cause wrath drops if you miss

[royal vortex]

for talents i would grab dance of death (above thy wrath be swift on the right side) and duellist (below stun grenades on the left), anoint in blood (top middle), and either inexorable jugement or blazing piety

[fair igloo]

That's also fine cuz i kinda wanted to try out Hsword too

[royal vortex]

i like blazing piety more on crusher because you get up to 55% crit chance

[boreal cedar]

oh yea also i wanted to ask but does damage reduction applies to blocking

[vocal pulsar]

You are killing less things with shattering, and hoping your team will pick up the slack. Whereas with cavalcade, you are outright killing more things

[south folio]

the idea is that if you have chastise, then brittleness will do nothing while chastise while it's up so you're only seeing a benefit after your magdumping

[boreal cedar]

like if i block an attack with damage reduction do i just take less stamina damage

[fading vale]

not to mention it takes 4 shots to max shattering

[royal vortex]

flak and carapace are perks that grant damage vs a specific armor type, cavalcade is crit chance per shot fired in a salvo (so magdumping or firing as fast as possible while in ADS) and pinning fire is power per enemy staggered

[boreal cedar]

oh so the way you increased ur rate fire was by tapfiring instead of holding the button ?

[royal vortex]

oh no that was from fury of the faithful

[tropic harbor]

Flak and carapace (cara for short) are armor types enemies wear

[fair flax]

You seem to not understand...and I don't know how to get through. If it's dead then it doesn't matter if it's shattering or cav. If it lives then shattering is more beneficial because your allies all get a damage boost.

[royal vortex]

it grants global attack speed increase

[boreal cedar]

never tried that one

[coarse birch]

no these are separate mechanics

[south folio]

and cavalcade would help towards making sure that they're dead

[boreal cedar]

thought stamina damage scaled with damage

[south folio]

and in a pub game, i do not trust my allies

[fair flax]

So does shattering. So what's your point?

[vocal pulsar]

I don't think you understand

[coarse birch]

to my knowledge how much stam damage something does is seperate from regular damage

[tropic harbor]

Oh wait Josho got you didn’t see the ten messages below that one

[south folio]

do you read #zealot-class message

[fair flax]

No, I do. Your opinion is just not correct.

[south folio]

or are you purposefully obtuse and ask questions for things i've already responded to

[fading vale]

every weapon everyone uses has good flak, maniac, and unyielding ADMs meaning brittleness is only ever relevant for crushers

[boreal cedar]

havent really tried anything else then the stealth thing because i liked my stupid monstrosity 2 tap build

probably needs polishing to onetap

bet it can

[royal vortex]

if you're chastising carapace enemies, the ADM is set to flak. this means you deal 100% of your base damage, and brittleness/rending has 25% effectiveness for damage on ADMs at or over 1

[vocal pulsar]

[fading vale]

you can 2 tap with chastise too

[royal vortex]

which means at max stacks you get 10% damage increase vs carapace enemies

[tropic terrace]

You can't teach someone who doesn't wanna be taught

[royal vortex]

you already get the reduced effectiveness vs everything else because the bolter has very good ADMs into most targets

shattering impact is not providing nearly as much damage as cavalcade is

[left iron]

Nah bro, you just dont understand. John Darktide here has reinvented the wheel and all of us are wrong

[tropic terrace]

Any reasonable person can understand the difference between Cavalcade benefitting yourself literally all the time while Shattering only helps situationally. just trying to rile people up is all

[fair flax]

Look up the term overkill, it's wasted damage, Anything that kills an enemy in short work kills the enemy in short work. Doesn't matter if it's cav or shattering in that instance. It does matter if you're fighting beefy targets like Monstrosities, bosses, etc.

[royal vortex]

if you don't chastise so that shattering impact d-

WASTED DAMAGE

LMFAO

[vocal pulsar]

LMFAO

[royal vortex]

the spirit of contrazoid lives on

blocked

[vocal pulsar]

where is contrazoid

[fading vale]

oh no

the overkill wasted damage argument has reappeared

[tropic terrace]

look up the term ☝️ 🤓

hahaha

[vocal pulsar]

every match of darktide, i always check the scroeboard, and check to see who has the most overkill. i then block that player with most overkill, for wasting all that damage

[fair flax]

Honestly this is hopeless. You're hyper arrogant and kinda toxic. You don't seem to get the concept of adding damage from all allies. Or maybe you do and just like to get those big numbers yourself instead of playing with the team.

In any case, ya'll are toxic as fuck lol

[fading vale]

the only toxic person is you

[tropic harbor]

You’re born with a damage limit and once you deal all your damage you can’t deal any

[south folio]

we don't consider allies because pubs just don't do that much damage

[fair flax]

Gaslighting

No, you are all somewhat toxic

[vocal pulsar]

tell me when i have claimed to be great

[fair flax]

With a few exceptions

[south folio]

all of us huh

sure

[fading vale]

phew, been a minute since I blocked someone

[south folio]

f

if only

[sharp zodiac]

Any game that gives you a huge amount of power fantasy then takes away said power fantasy for a challenge is one of the most evil things possible

[fair flax]

Anyways I'm done. Shoulda known better than get involved with the oline discussions. It's been real, it's been fun but it hasn't been real fun.

[vocal pulsar]

you are one of many who come in here with a questionable opinion, spout it with confidence, see proof that it is questionable/wrong/misinformed and then call out the people who corrected you as toxic/bad/mean spirited

a tale as old as time

[mint imp]

Online*

[vocal pulsar]

not the first, wont be the last

[fair flax]

See, this is what I mean. That's not what happened. SUper toxic gatekeeping dude.

[tropic harbor]

Idk why people think their dick is gonna fall off when someone says they’re wrong

[tropic terrace]

bad bait is bad

moving on

[tropic harbor]

And can back it up

[sharp oyster]

I just want to learn lol

[south folio]

i'm not going to be particularly kind to people who are extremely stubborn about being wrong and multiple times

[vocal pulsar]

yes we are gatekeeping by giving advice on how to build better weapons

[south folio]

e.g., bolter with chastise and the wound/hp discussion above

and just waltzing into discussions without a full knowledge of the game mechanics

[fair flax]

And now you're deflecting by using instances where you weren't toxic

Yeah no

Bad

[tropic harbor]

I’ve been wrong here in a major way at least once (used to hate toughness curios)

[fading vale]

just ask away and ignore the mess for now lol

[coarse birch]

yeah your question will get answered

[vocal pulsar]

momy is sorry

[frank night]

sock smeller will personally answer your query

[fair flax]

Rude and toxic

Time to block a whole bunch of elitists

[vocal pulsar]

yes, im so toxic

OH NO FUCK

[placid fiber]

I mean play how you want and ignore the advice of the people who know the game. You have that right

[vocal pulsar]

please dont block me sir please oh no

[left iron]

Not the block, oh god

[tropic harbor]

It’s okay to be wrong.

[fair flax]

That's not what happened. Holy fuck. lol.

[placid fiber]

Okay what is happening then?

[fair flax]

I never asked for advice, said something that was wrong and was corrected.

That's it

[placid fiber]

Okay and?

[fair flax]

And now ya'll are being super toxic over an honest mistake.

[delicate shadow]

can y'all calm down

my god

[placid fiber]

I just got back

[left iron]

[placid fiber]

I'm just tired

[delicate shadow]

hi just tired

[placid fiber]

Hi Aquila

How goes the gaming?

[delicate shadow]

I too am tired, making coffee rn

the gaming has been 99% valheim lately

[fading vale]

we had a valheim server going for a couple weeks and like 10 people playing

[vocal pulsar]

now they helldiving

[fading vale]

but then server died

and helldivers

[boreal cedar]

i remember playing valheim but got bored of the ammount of boating you gotta do to craft items

[royal vortex]

im glad the server died so i never have to face the consequences of my boat breaking like 100 meters from shore

[fading vale]

boat mods help

get a sailing skill and better boats

[boreal cedar]

tbh id probably just add a mod that allows to go through tps with ores or something

that was the main annoyance

[fading vale]

you could but

[left iron]

Theres a server setting that lets you do that

Doesnt need mods

[delicate shadow]

vanilla already allow tping with metals

[boreal cedar]

oh i didnt knew

[delicate shadow]

you just gotta toggle it on

[fading vale]

idk when playing with people it's fun to go on journeys and blast pirate music

[delicate shadow]

though personally I kinda like vanilla with people who haven't played the game 100s of times because it makes you actually engage with exploration a bit more than otherwise

[fading vale]

I didn't want it to be too easy on several of our first playthroughs

and exploring is fun in that context

[delicate shadow]

if I was playing with my partner I'd put TP ores on just because we've done the full game like 30 times now but we're playing with her old man too and he's never played until a few months ago

so we wanted him to get the full OG experience

[placid fiber]

Woo... only 1 and a half hours until descent's talent rotation changes in division 2...

[delicate shadow]

man's in his 70s and clowning on seekers and sailing the ocean

[placid fiber]

This last rotation has been torture on me

[delicate shadow]

he's a Dane though so I suppose viking shit is his bread and butter

[placid fiber]

I've been a bit addicted to this... I pushed my highest loop from 7 to 12 recently

This currently rotation, Sloth, sucks ass tho

[sharp zodiac]

I literally need one argon crystal come on void

[delicate shadow]

the crystals

argon

[sharp zodiac]

Oh this is ridiculous how is it I have a resource drop chance AND booster and yet nothing

But when I have none I get it first go

There we go

Now back to arbitrations

[frosty herald]

why does we love katamari make me nausious when playing for a while

[patent patrol]

what game is that/

[sharp zodiac]

Waefram

Warframe*

[patent patrol]

... THAT'S Warframe now?

I knew it looked familiar but damn

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah, after losing your mother and finding your alter ego shits changed

[faint vapor]

"slight alterations"

[placid fiber]

Huh can't believe I was right, when I thought that looked like Warframe >.>

[merry spade]

I am once again low on plasteel... Sad

[patent patrol]

I got to that one mission where you had to escape the ship because your robot thing got taken over by some cult, couldn't get out of the ship and quit

[sharp zodiac]

War within I think

[patent patrol]

yeah, these damn smoke clouds stopped me from leaving

I was told you could slip passed em

never could

so I quit

haven't played since like 2019 or so

maybe even earlier

that one mission

made me never touch the game for years

[placid fiber]

Smoke clouds do be sus

[patent patrol]

I mained like some rhino robot thing

forgot the name

[placid fiber]

I think I played Loki the most, but, on solo runs

Otherwise I can't remember who I played

[patent patrol]

but yeah that one mission made me never touch warframe again

I still have it uninstalled

[sharp zodiac]

That's fair, games a whole lot different now, summing it up it involves

• a man literally in a wall

-(not) jetstream Sam

Some child dominus in a n Elden ring like gameplay with wyrms,

Crazy angels and ghosts

And a crazy goat man

[patent patrol]

... Did I take something? Did YOU take something?

Did I just read that correctly?

[sharp zodiac]

Yes

[placid fiber]

Doesn't surprise me it went that far off the handle, tbh

[delicate shadow]

WF is a result of constantly reworking the lore and feature creeping the game for over 10 years

it's fun though sometimes

[patent patrol]

so warframe is just unrecognizable now

[placid fiber]

I mean at the end of the day do most people play it for the lore? >.>

[delicate shadow]

nah

[placid fiber]

exactly

[delicate shadow]

though that's mostly because the lore is convoluted and no one knows really wtf is going on

[sharp zodiac]

If your eyes from 2019 when you last played, yes

[placid fiber]

Better watch out Aquila

I've gotten myself some Composure...

[delicate shadow]

[placid fiber]

[sharp zodiac]

That's what I meant about the (not) jetstream

[patent patrol]

WHO TF IS THAT

[placid fiber]

Is that excalibur?

[sharp zodiac]

Arthur

[sharp zodiac]

Many believe him to be the prodigy to excal

[patent patrol]

Y'know, I think he'd be my main if I had any motivation to pick up the game again

lol

[sharp zodiac]

As this takes place in 1999

[patent patrol]

oh that's the past

[placid fiber]

Ah

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah

[placid fiber]

The moveset looks like excalibur lol

[sharp zodiac]

Some old dude went to the past and now he left us with a guy

A talking fish

And bird 3

[placid fiber]

I mean at least it wasn't bird 2, or emperor forbid, bird 1...

[delicate shadow]

music is a bop

[patent patrol]

Well, on the bright side, I got slaughterer 4 unlocked. Gonna slap that on my Ironhelm.

[gaunt comet]

Question see if I wanted to make a zealot krieg marine what would be best way to do that?

[frosty herald]

ok

[sharp zodiac]

He is here

[frosty herald]

go to vet use latrine shovel done

[gaunt comet]

Fair

[frosty herald]

otherwise use a chainsword or eviscerator

[patent patrol]

So... who snorted what to create these new updates? Lol.

[gaunt comet]

Ah fair

[patent patrol]

that's my question

[sharp zodiac]

DE snorted a lot of things

There's also the ability to play as a grineer

[patent patrol]

It looks like they saw how popular games like Elden Ring n shit were and said 'LET'S DO THAT' and proceeded to smash it into the game

[sharp zodiac]

Corpus too but he's dead

[placid fiber]

Dude... if they released those to the public... society itself would collapse...

Thank God... only 30 more minutes of the stupid talent rotation...

It has been torture lol

[sharp zodiac]

Then there's also these guys

[placid fiber]

Those look like an early verison of the plague guys

[frosty herald]

what is warframe even about

[sharp zodiac]

Honestly I don't even know

[delicate shadow]

ancient sci-fi space wizards in the far future fighting both eldritch and man-made horrors beyond our comprehension