zealot-class

[median steeple]

WHAT WHY

[royal vortex]

apparently it's a real term

but i have only ever heard stan say it

[median steeple]

hold the fuck on

[desert bough]

Is no place to be pal! RUN!

[median steeple]

it is NOT a real word

[sharp oyster]

But I want to learn Zealot

[median steeple]

I refuse to believe that

[fading vale]

then just ask

[desert bough]

Agreed.

[coarse birch]

swimmies is not a real word but it is a term ive heard

[desert bough]

Learn here is good. Sometimes it become weird

[coarse birch]

not often though

[fleet zealot]

Start the sigma zealot routine of doing 10 sets of push ups, sit ups, pull ups, and laps

Each rep a prayer to the god emperor

[viral hare]

I like to think each chat is a physical space in the Morningstar and the ogryns tell stories of the strange happenings in the other Locker rooms

[nimble fiber]

1000*

[fleet zealot]

Then eat your breakfast of corpsestarch and stims

[rain steppe]

You gotta be able to pray in your sleep

[median steeple]

I love stims

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/967102699789221918/1212164146339258418/buttcheek_locomotion.mov?ex=65f0d6d5&is=65de61d5&hm=0ca8e40da09962bdb57cdfead077d523972a84036638025ebce9aa819cc38e37&

steam is refusing to let me get on darktide

I think I might be free

[rain steppe]

Which is your favorite to use?

[coarse birch]

maps are mid rn anyway

[median steeple]

celerity

[rain steppe]

Same!

[median steeple]

makes everything blend

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/ew-dude-what-the-fuck-wtf-gif-16046529

this is definitely one of the bugs of all time

[coarse birch]

its really something

[ripe quest]

The rumbler one is funny too because the spammers don't know how to use rumbler so it just makes any crowd density annoying to deal with

each one of those clicks you hear will also proc BA

so you get 5 stacks before the first shot usually

[sharp oyster]

What is that toaster settings

[median steeple]

I assume they just make hordes fly around and not actually killing them

[viral hare]

dude is playing roblox

[fading vale]

there's some texture and lod config changes you can do

to turn everything waaaaay down

[coarse birch]

just open the games files and set everything to 0 🙂

[lusty turtle]

exhil and arco are cursed beings

with awful settings

[coarse birch]

skele

do you want to play dt

[royal vortex]

can u make a blue circle instead i cant tell what im looking at

[lusty turtle]

uhhhh

[coarse birch]

i prefer green

personally

[lusty turtle]

prob not, the flu is killing me atm

[coarse birch]

F

feel better

[fading vale]

what if you are red green colorblind

[royal vortex]

you are sentenced to summary execution

[coarse birch]

i will log off then

[lean lark]

ok josho

[royal vortex]

thank u

[lusty turtle]

can you add a guy pointin at it, i'm still not sure what im looking for

[coarse birch]

i also need subway surfers in the corner

[fading vale]

put this in there

[lusty turtle]

majestic

[median steeple]

should make this the server banner

fr

[lusty turtle]

if i had the power 😔

[fading vale]

amazing pixel art

[lusty turtle]

we have practiced the art of creation

truely, we are the gods of the modern age

[viral hare]

the text is kinda dark can you add a light so I can see better

[desert bough]

OOOHHH IS JFJ

[coarse birch]

can you also add your timezone to it

[median steeple]

your zip code as well

[desert bough]

Ulgo like JFJ

[frosty herald]

its the sock man

[desert bough]

HEEHEE

Ulgo like little sock man

[lusty turtle]

and the last 4 digits of your credit card number

[viral hare]

Ty

[frozen glen]

can you add your credit card information so I can verify that this image is official

[ripe quest]

It'd cost $15 for me to post that information.

[fleet zealot]

It was 2 buses of kids holy shit

https://tenor.com/view/ferret-gif-21316483

[sharp oyster]

Is there any weapon from the Zealot Class I should avoid or all of them are reliable

[fading vale]

generally avoid taxes

also avoid Achlys combat axe

and I wouldn't start with knives

and avoid lasguns

[buoyant pecan]

Generally use everything Lazorr tells you not to. He is a well known troll.

[fading vale]

[buoyant pecan]

My work here is done

[sharp oyster]

Okay I guess I cannot trust this person anymore

[buoyant pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/oogway-my-time-has-come-gif-8019684

[fading vale]

just avoid the things I said more or less

I wouldn't pick up knife until later after getting used to the class

[sharp oyster]

Well about the lasguns you might be right

I've been told XII is good

[fading vale]

not for zealot

[median steeple]

this mindset has made me a wanted man

[sharp oyster]

What about the revolver, I've been told it's pretty good option

I just don't anything about Zealot

[fading vale]

zarona revolver is the strongest ranged option we have

agri revolver is pretty meh at best

[sharp oyster]

Mele wise?

I'm using Antax V

[fading vale]

easiest and strongest would be Rashad caxe or any of the hswords

crusher is really good

there's also a crusher guide in the pins

hammer is a lot of fun

[sharp oyster]

What about the chainsaws

[fading vale]

mk15 evis people like a lot, also quite easy to use

1h chainsword has fastest clear time in the game

chaxes are also good now

[sharp oyster]

But what exactly changes on their meles, because there's a lot of them

[fading vale]

also there are suggested blessings and perks somewhere in the recent pins

[sharp oyster]

Hmmmm

[normal wren]

Id use the default lasgun until you unlock the shotguns tbh

[sharp oyster]

Wish Zealot had a guide like Ogrynomicon

[lusty turtle]

its good, but zealot doesn't have much taht supports it, and at the ranges you will engage at the laspistols will do the role about as well

[fading vale]

the shotguns are really fun, particularly the kant shotgun

[sharp oyster]

Hmmm

[normal wren]

I hate the combat axes

[ripe quest]

You can make anything work if you try hard enough, Taxe and Knife being on the harder end of the spectrum. Avoid Infantry Lasguns due to suppression ruining their performance and how they play.

[fading vale]

Rashad is both the most boring and strongest general weapon

[sharp oyster]

Right

[normal wren]

The best weapon is the heavy eviscerator, the new one

Nothing gives me the same feeling

[lusty turtle]

i still prefer old evis

[sharp oyster]

Tigrus XV?

[normal wren]

I like oh shit lights

[fading vale]

crucis is the most engaging weapon but also one of the most difficult to use well

[lusty turtle]

XV is the new one ye

[ripe quest]

I hope they do eventually swap the performance of the Chainsword and Evis

[normal wren]

Thing with crucis is it needs thrist

Still havent gotten thrust

[ripe quest]

regarding crowds specifically

[lusty turtle]

id say a good safe start for zealot is the crusher, its unique to the class and general purpose

[nimble fiber]

[lusty turtle]

it might teach some bad habits in safety tho

[normal wren]

Id love the crucis if they gave the special some cleave lol

[fading vale]

and there's a good crusher guide

[normal wren]

The crusher is nice btw

[ripe quest]

That's just the Ironhelm

[lusty turtle]

play the ironhelm them

[fading vale]

nah giving the crucis special cleave would ruin the weapon

[frozen glen]

give crucis brutal momentum

[normal wren]

I like the other parts of the crucis though

Iron helm has the weird ass diagonals

[ripe quest]

The horde combos on it are sweeps, same ones that the Crucis has.

[fading vale]

ironhelm is just a weird mishmash of old reddit complaints about the crucis, but it's solid now

[normal wren]

Maybe Im stupid and am missing the optimal hord combos

Thought there is a vertical added into the heavies

[fading vale]

literally just heavy 1 special heavy 2 repeat I think

[ripe quest]

Special H1 Special H2 ideally but also you can just use H1 H2 bc or god forbid L1 H2

[lusty turtle]

or heavy heavy light heavy light heavy repeat

[fading vale]

and avoid H3 most of the time

[sharp oyster]

On crusher

[vast basin]

Yeah ironhelm incorporates the special attack into the horde combo

[sharp oyster]

I'll try it

[normal wren]

Yeah I was using it wrong

Cuz crucis is just heavy spam with pushes+dodges

[fading vale]

kind of but I would say it's a bad habit to do that too much

I mean if it's just a horde then yeah

[normal wren]

Yeah mixed hords you gotta do other things

Though the mk15 evi feels to me like how a thunderhammer should play

[fading vale]

crucis is the only weapon that gives me nice feels for playing well and hitting good shots

[ripe quest]

Well the Evis' and Thammers have different single target specialties.

[lusty turtle]

i hope if they can nerf crushers impact it can feel that way too

atm crusher is too spammy

[fading vale]

I would say they need to tone down the safety of the crusher a bit

[normal wren]

Thing is with the crusher you do shit to bosses

[ripe quest]

I mean, with the supposed Crusher changes coming in that might get fixed.

[fading vale]

supposed changes?

[frozen glen]

the electrocuded changes

[frosty herald]

giant space lasers

[fading vale]

oh I vaguely remember you mentioning that

[ripe quest]

Yeah there's been a batch of blessings and various bits and bobs for something that's listed as a powermaul. It's either a 1h Crusher for Zealot or Crusher changes. It makes the special from what I can tell a sticky electric attack that chains and stuns enemies

[fading vale]

so the old crusher except it's smite

[frosty herald]

just add the power greatsword already im turning into dust

[ripe quest]

Well I think the distinction is that you cannot act upon your own CC as well w/ this version and you can also play into it with one of the blessings that ups damage against electrocuted targets.

[frozen glen]

so skullcrusher and smite

[fading vale]

[royal vortex]

if they give zealot its own form of smite im uninstalling dt forever

[fading vale]

don't tell derpy

[ripe quest]

Skullcrusher + Damage vs. Electrocuted = better Smite that actually does damage

[frozen glen]

they took that away from the crusher

now the crusher is ASS and GARBAGE

[lusty turtle]

ye tahts all on the impact end

maybe attack speed end aswell depend on how u wanna swing it

[ripe quest]

Obvious subnote but this isn't confirmed and yadda yadda.

But it's a cool look into what could be a future change/weapon.

[frozen glen]

exhil can u tell them to add attack speed blessings already

[fading vale]

I like how they keep trying to hide future changes and then add more to the code base

[frozen glen]

I want more attack speed

[ripe quest]

There are attack speed blessings in one of the last batches of weird blessings/perk things.

Also I'm not a playtester

I can't yell at them

[frozen glen]

YEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAA

WOOOOOOOOOOOO

[north sedge]

perhaps call it...Swift Slaying? just spitballing here

[ripe quest]

I recall seeing Swift Slaying being ported 1:1

[normal wren]

[ripe quest]

but also some other more conditional stuff

[lusty turtle]

die

[normal wren]

Speed

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/pillsbury-doughboy-pillsbury-shades-sunglasses-cool-gif-22258477

[frozen glen]

swift slaying truly is the vermintide of dark tide games

[lusty turtle]

we will not return to Swiftslaying slavery

i refuse

[fading vale]

last thing this game needs is more spam

[ripe quest]

Unfortunately it's not a good look for the future of my opinion on this game's blessing system

[north sedge]

it's a bummer they never added other blessings to vt2

[ripe quest]

more +power +damage and +attack speed blessings

not a good look

[frozen glen]

more cleave blessings

is what we need

[fading vale]

power was a mistake

(also pls build thrust into the hammer)

what about cleave blessings that actually do something interesting

instead of just more hitmass cleave

rip vicious slice

[royal vortex]

impossible

[fading vale]

rip shock and awe

[frosty herald]

We should nerf crucis

[fading vale]

how do you even create a weapon with 7 useless blessings

and 1 impossibly difficult to get required blessing

[north sedge]

vicious slice is the best joke they ever wrote for this game

[frozen glen]

powerrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[fading vale]

the tooltip was bugged trust me

[north sedge]

god that was so funny

[fading vale]

I still can't believe that instead of fixing it they changed the tooltip

ah yes what does the claw need

[north sedge]

it was amazing

[fading vale]

more impact on cleave targets

[north sedge]

especially with a name like vicious slice

[fading vale]

right

now it's just uh

vicious clubbing

[north sedge]

vicious stumble

[fading vale]

lol

[royal vortex]

vicious bonk

[fading vale]

shock and bruh

[lusty turtle]

is that when josho falls off the map

[fading vale]

surely we can't have blessings that change cleave damage at all (except for horribly broken BM)

[north sedge]

yes

[fading vale]

https://streamable.com/2zbbrv

[lusty turtle]

based

[north sedge]

mainerz's perfectly timed "process beginning"

[fading vale]

I swear I just forgot the melee keybind which is why I waited so long

[north sedge]

lol

[lusty turtle]

the zealot chat buffering time

[royal vortex]

sick bastard

[sharp oyster]

Ok the revolver is so good

I love it

same with the crusher

[normal wren]

I like the kantrael shotgun

[fading vale]

would also recommend the kant

[normal wren]

Kant is my favorite zealot gun

[fading vale]

yeah hands down

[normal wren]

I dont have the blessings for revolver

But kantrael good anyways

[fading vale]

revolver becomes boring because it's so braindead strong

easily killing 2 ragers in 1 shot just feels dirty

[sharp oyster]

Kant shotgun

noted

[ivory marlin]

Good morning zealot chat

[fading vale]

it's special is dragons breath with infinite cleave that also goes through bulwarks

[sharp oyster]

Hmmm

I'm starting to like this class

[fading vale]

it's not as easy to survive as ogryn but ogryn is also busted rn

[peak gale]

Just hit lvl 30 last night

Favorite class by far

[normal wren]

I lovr ogryn

[fading vale]

to me it feels like the class that interacts with all the game mechanics the most

[normal wren]

Shield make strong

[peak gale]

🔛🔝

[fading vale]

if they could just get rid of ogryn having a billion free DR

that would help

[viral hare]

what do yall use to make short clips? I use medal but im wondering if there’s a better alternative

[frozen glen]

shadowplay

[fading vale]

medal is pretty solid or at least it was, seems like it's gotten worse or something

[viral hare]

the thing with shadowplay is that I don’t want to convert something to yt every time I record somethin and I also don’t have nitro so I can’t share the file directly if it’s longer than like 2 seconds

[coarse birch]

medal messes with my FPS for some reason

[viral hare]

yeah I get that issue too, thought it was just me

[zealous basin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1208297456849264692/uni_fnaf.gif

[fleet zealot]

i've escaped containment

but i am still trapped in my own mind

[zealous basin]

[nimble fiber]

[ember yew]

used that thing on my elf 24/7

[fleet zealot]

anyways this ferret is named Zuko

[fleet zealot]

on my elf

oh fuck swift slaying

[north sedge]

I mean, you used it on everything

Nothing else existed

[royal vortex]

i didnt (i didnt play much vermintide)

[fading vale]

from what everyone says VT2 just sounds like mindless spam with temp hp making you unkillable

[north sedge]

It comes mandatory with every weapon

[north sedge]

If you took a hit it was alot more unforgiving, but hey temp hp

[frosty herald]

gets backstabbed by a slave rat on champion difficulty

so much for the "mindless spam"

[ember yew]

on cata slave rat backstab is like -80% hp

screw that experience

everything else is pretty much a oneshot

[frosty herald]

unless you have a very solid tank build or some damage resistance

otherwise your just dead from a single minor mistake

[lusty turtle]

Only mattered if that rat was alone

[ember yew]

i love darktide since it's more relaxed this way

[lusty turtle]

Their damage scaled down the more rats there were

[ember yew]

while temp HP (sometimes crazy op) is stronger with certain builds / weapons

toughness is easier to manage

• full ranged immune

[frosty herald]

temp hp also just degrades and you need to build it up on the next wave of enemies

[ember yew]

yeah

[frosty herald]

and if a sneaky hit gets in when your at 35 health your dead

[ember yew]

can get you ass kicked before new wave comes in

[misty mason]

I got helldivers last night

[zealous basin]

hi zuko

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-2-helldivers-surprised-shocked-scared-gif-14616193401603705407

[ember yew]

but im hands down for swift slaying in dt

gonna slap it on everything like i did in vt2

[misty mason]

Im curious how people handle looting? Do you do the objective first, then loot before extraction, the other way around, or just not at all?

[ember yew]

[zealous basin]

anyways temp hp was dumb

a relic of its time

toughness so much more refined

truly a superior system

[north sedge]

Like the points of interest? Or samples

[misty mason]

Mostly the PoIs

I assume if you can, grabbing samples afterward is probably best. Although I just grab em when I see em

[north sedge]

Mostly as you come across them, seek em out later if you have extra time

[frosty herald]

cant wait for an assassin specialist in darktide

[misty mason]

Mm yeah, I've just been surprised when we finish up, people tend to zoom to extraction, rather than grabbing the yellow beams at least

[lusty turtle]

ye

taking damage, doing damage or certain other things made ur abilities charge faster, ur abilities would usually offer a solution to most if not all problems

[lusty turtle]

there was armour but crits ignored it, and so did headshots and strength potions

[misty mason]

PC or enemy? Dog is the assassin equivalent, Stealth Zealot is the PC equivalent

[ripe quest]

1 grudge raker bash w/ THP on stagger = full health

wonderful stuff

[frosty herald]

enemy

[misty mason]

Yeah, mechanically thats the dog

[frosty herald]

dogs dont have the same oomph as the gutter runner

[misty mason]

But it'd be cool to have a more assassin themed enemy

[ripe quest]

Honestly I'd rather the dog be a swarm elite.

[north sedge]

If you look closely the dog has a knife

[zealous basin]

new special that crawls around on the ceiling when

cave leeches lmao

[ripe quest]

Ambient hazards would be cool too

[drifting wolf]

i enjoy being incapacitated

[frosty herald]

i would love for those tentacle eyeball things to have some actual danger outside of being a shooting gallery

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/helldiver-helldivers-helldivers2-chestbump-flag-gif-2708234001444907997

[misty mason]

The A in AK 47 stands for Ape

[drifting wolf]

what does the k stand for

[misty mason]

Also Ape, Apes can't spell

[ember yew]

strangely, i can't recall anything from VT1, was there a temp HP too or it was only in VT2

too many years passed

like 8

[zealous basin]

fuckin idk i aint play vt1

boomer ass game

[ember yew]

it was more tactical in aproach compared to VT2 meat grinder

[zealous basin]

cringe i love grinding meat

[ember yew]

but i had solid experience with it

[zealous basin]

https://tenor.com/view/daging-cincang-giling-mesin-meat-gif-11246427

me

[misty mason]

Anything not made this year is a boomer game

[zealous basin]

yes

correct

[misty mason]

Anyone not a literal newborn is a boomer

Fuckn old heads

[zealous basin]

wrong

anyone whos older than me is a boomer

anyone younger than me is either a zoomer or a literal infant

[misty mason]

Ah, I see you have been on the internet at least once

[zealous basin]

[misty mason]

I think you mean Gen Alpha, boomer

[drifting wolf]

if 2015 is boomer what is 2012

[zealous basin]

sorry i dont speak omegaverse

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/professor-futurama-professor-farnsworth-thug-life-beach-gif-16416937

[misty mason]

The pre bronze age

[drifting wolf]

borderlands 2 was my favorite stone age game

[misty mason]

More like Boomerlands

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/peacemaker-dance-party-hands-up-gif-24972326

[frosty herald]

vt1 now that was long ago

[zealous basin]

https://files.catbox.moe/j0g6ih.gif

wait for it

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/epic-embed-fail-ryan-gosling-cereal-embed-failure-laugh-at-this-user-gif-20627924

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/finding-nemo-bags-floating-stuck-now-what-gif-5473087

[zealous basin]

waaaaait for it

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/embed-fail-gif-21166005

[ivory marlin]

guys

good news

im making a new mtg deck

its gonna be myr typal

[ivory marlin]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ballin-mars-bars-gif-19910027

[lusty turtle]

[ivory marlin]

dont worry

at least 2 cards will be under 100$

i love myr

[frosty herald]

this is a massive symphony of the night refference

[ivory marlin]

is it?

[lusty turtle]

i'm getting jelly removed from the MTG scene

[frozen glen]

stop spending money on mtg cards

[ivory marlin]

why :(

it makes me happy

[lusty turtle]

for your own good

[ivory marlin]

but i love my funky little card games

[frosty herald]

legion from sotn

[ivory marlin]

ok listen i cant do it right now

this is a long term thing

[frozen glen]

nah

[ivory marlin]

guys

why are you trying to steal my happy

[nimble fiber]

because the happy steals your money

[lusty turtle]

we're gonna have to burn you at the stake

its the only way

[ivory marlin]

ok but like life steals my money too

might as well buy warhammer and mtg you know?

[median steeple]

loud incorrect buzzer you're wrong sulfuric acid!

[nimble fiber]

true, but this time u can do something about it

[ivory marlin]

:(

[nimble fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/badong-sloth-big-lez-big-lez-show-sassy-gif-26073676

[ivory marlin]

guys this is a warhammer server yall are just as bad

[signal prism]

Bed!?

[ivory marlin]

can i atleast make my myr deck?

[lusty turtle]

yes, it will be what the pyre is made with

[ivory marlin]

cool

[signal prism]

Myr are goofy lil guys so I approve

[ivory marlin]

yippee

ive been given the ok so now i can make 7 more decks

[signal prism]

https://cards.scryfall.io/large/front/d/4/d46e9902-81fb-4a3c-9f2f-d3faf031631d.jpg?1592709039

[ivory marlin]

oh but i dont like red ngl

im more of a golgari player

but my myr will be wuberg

[frosty herald]

ayo why are these villagers roasting nemesis

[nimble fiber]

red will be real sad about this

[signal prism]

Cause reasons

[ivory marlin]

man said something racist on twitter

[frozen glen]

wtf

[ivory marlin]

i have 1 deck that has red

and its barely used

most decks i own are green black, blue black, or white blue black

the only exceptin is my green red blue deck

i think

bolas

sorry black blue red

[nimble fiber]

apology accepted

[ivory marlin]

i tried to make a green black red deck once but the commander wasnt working well

also i barely have any red cards so like it was a stretch

[ivory marlin]

listen

goblens ruined it for me

i got krancoed once and that was enough

[signal prism]

I still think it'd wild that saying "I block your magnus the red with Gandalf and the 9th doctor" is a valid sentence in magic now

[ivory marlin]

oh that reminds me im gonna make a izzet deck with mangus

also i have a missy deck so thats another red deck i own

so once i make the myr deck ill have 3 that use red

also might make a mono black mortarion deck

guys

listen

im perfectly ok

[nimble fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[signal prism]

[ivory marlin]

yall just jelous i have dope ass decks

[misty mason]

DBZ TCG superior

[signal prism]

I have a few commander decks and a modern one

I don't play that much since my lgs is a 40 min drive away

[ivory marlin]

yall

i just found a box of like 20 legendaries id want to make decks for

[signal prism]

Oh no.

[ivory marlin]

we up big

[misty mason]

Just make a deck all of zombies

No land, just zombies

[ivory marlin]

might make a red black rat deck

i have the piper card

[signal prism]

Use the new jodah card and put all the legendaries in that

[ivory marlin]

REAL

[visual stream]

Erm,, why is the Helldivers 2 chat talking about MTG

[still quartz]

Lemme do you one better

So-called freethinkers when Black Prior event

[buoyant pecan]

Im gonna go release the full power of my undiagnosed ADHD onto the Helldivers Reddit

[drifting wolf]

you will be consumed

[buoyant pecan]

No. I am the Swarm.

It has begun

[sharp zodiac]

Why did the sigil on my crotch get bigger

I need to stop uninstalling and then reinstalling hell let loose because Its fun but not having a mic definitely sucks

[still quartz]

Protovyre Ephemera upgrade be like

[ripe quest]

I'll take braindead for $200

[sharp zodiac]

Only thing that works with Mesa's deluxe

It was either this or the conquestadora skin

[ripe quest]

"Guys the devs talked about something that isn't our main gripe with the game, HOW DARE THEY they should fix these problems first before even thinking to talk about new content"

[fading vale]

my light armor with throwing distance is plenty

[ripe quest]

50% ER and 2 extra grenade light armor goes so hard

[fading vale]

I kobed the hell out of a 500kg onto a bile titan like 80m away earlier

[ripe quest]

the throwing distance one was the only one I used for a bit

super fun yeah

It's just enough to actually use the 380 without risking being in range of a shot or two

But the fact that I need two upgrades to make it "useable" is a little cringe

currently rocking the meta speed helmet w/ matching armor too

the hood connects w/ the cape too (fatshark is weeping)

[frosty herald]

when cloak

[buoyant pecan]

its been an issue since release. they can totally bug fix and release the mechs and Id hat3 for the mechs to have an internal armor rating tied to their hp pool

[ripe quest]

like a stealth cloak or a wearable cloak

[fading vale]

crab says it's cause enemy armor penetration values are more or less too high

[ripe quest]

That would suck a good bit. My guess is the next warbond cycle will drop a bunch of stuff including the mechs, I doubt the armor rating bug will last for much longer.

[buoyant pecan]

Also, stealth is goated. Wish ppl would use more rather than run head first into a patrol and wine that they got stuck in an infinite loop of bugbreaches/bot drops.

[still quartz]

Stealth is goated when it's not being used by idiots

[ripe quest]

Did Crab manage to datamine that or is it just concrete testing?

[still quartz]

[buoyant pecan]

This is a seperate mechanic that is supposed to interacy with Armor rating.

as I understand it

[fading vale]

"stealth is goated" what an awful sentence

[still quartz]

Oh no Lazorr said our opinion is wrong

[buoyant pecan]

Its goated with the sauce

[still quartz]

We're no longer allowed to have it

Sorry guys, show's over

https://tenor.com/bfVI2.gif

[buoyant pecan]

Lazzor is just mad he cant fill up his Heavy armor

[fading vale]

stealth is awful in every game ever made unless it's single player and funny, not even remotely an argument

[ripe quest]

You can get pretty close to full-on stealth in this game, also the CEO talked about silencers and subsonic ammo and going stealth in playtests so like, we got stuff to look forward to regarding that.

[lusty turtle]

omg its darktide

[fading vale]

wtf are you a spy main

[buoyant pecan]

Ive walked up to Chargers within 10m of them and not gotten spott3d

[ripe quest]

You can practically touch automatons if you get a good position on them

and they have stealth takedown mechanics where if you kill the alerted bots fast enough you can stay silent

[buoyant pecan]

Context, we call.people on Malevolan Creek, Creekers.

[fading vale]

at least don't tell me you use the railgun

[ripe quest]

Depends on the difficulty and what my team has ig. I've only been bringing it if we got a horrid lack of AP support weapons or stratagems and it's 8+.

[buoyant pecan]

Fuck no unless im with low levels and we need something to help thin the vehicle armor tide.

[fading vale]

[buoyant pecan]

Arc Thrower is fun af vs bugs

[ripe quest]

I usually rock Flamer, AC, RR, EAT, or the AWP.

[buoyant pecan]

0 friendlt fire. Kills EVERYTHING.

[fading vale]

tbh I just want mass murder to be a better option relative to running away

[ripe quest]

(it's an APW but I don't read that)

[buoyant pecan]

[fading vale]

better as in, it should also be a reasonable option

[buoyant pecan]

I totally get this. Sometimes punch through is the only way and it should be viable.

[ripe quest]

It's pretty solid on bots too, a lucky chain will take out a patrol in one

[buoyant pecan]

Jetpack is underrated

[lusty turtle]

i feel like a part of it is enemy health on the bug side

[fading vale]

I'm too in love with my autocannon to have a backpack

[lusty turtle]

its too damn high

[ripe quest]

Jump pack w/ EATs are really fun

[lusty turtle]

or well, weakspots dont work, or feel like they dont work, for bugs

which sucks

[buoyant pecan]

Nah. You see the front left and right leg on the charger?

[ripe quest]

you can blast a charger on the decent and rocket jump w/ any ER armor

[buoyant pecan]

Break the armor on that

[fading vale]

chargers be like

[buoyant pecan]

dump 1 mag of secondary or primary

its dead

[fading vale]

oh you mean my leg?

[lusty turtle]

shooting legs is goofy and dumb

why doesn't the GLOWING YELLOW WEAKSPOT work

[frank night]

u have been faked out

u have been fooled

[visual stream]

When you think about it

[frank night]

u are a pawn of Big Bug

[buoyant pecan]

"Weakspots dont work well.",

me:The weakspot is the leg.

You: Thats dumb

[visual stream]

Gamers naturally shoot the glowy

[ripe quest]

Explosive weapons and medium+ pen weapons will ruin bugs fast.

[ripe quest]

Explosive weapons want to aim at those spots

[frozen glen]

this is bug propaganda

[visual stream]

The bugs whose glowy is not the weakspot live

Evolution

Shrimple

[buoyant pecan]

Because explosive and medium do.more damage to it, light armor penetrating does like 10%

[lusty turtle]

no as in

they actually have a weakspot already on the back, that isn't blowing up their heavliest armoured part which feels unintended

[buoyant pecan]

No the devs didnt write these facts ANYWHERE

[frozen glen]

blow up

[fading vale]

when a weapon says x armor penetrating its not really that true

[ripe quest]

Well it's kinda a spectrum, there aren't tiers of AP

It's prob why stuff like the Revolver has unlisted 'medium' pen

[fading vale]

cause it's actually based on bullet mass and velocity and shit

[buoyant pecan]

sorta, explosive cant pen but will do full damage in the weakspots/limbs it can

Frankly

[ripe quest]

Oh well yeah Explosive is it's own thing, I was talking about the medium pen weapons you brought up

[buoyant pecan]

what the fuck is it with Swedish devs and not telling their community how the game works

[frozen glen]

sweden

[ripe quest]

Noita

[buoyant pecan]

well yea the issue with Medium Armor penetrating is that theres the fact it pens meduim armor

and then theres the obscure and hiddem shit that explains the how and what damage it deals that we cant see

[visual stream]

Swedish devs forget that Americans aren't blessed with the same amount of vacation time so they design their games such that you have to learn everything manually

[left iron]

Nolla is a Finnish developer, though

[ripe quest]

I have been obliterated

[frozen glen]

finland mentioned

ice appears

[left iron]

I saw blatant misinformation

I had to intervene

[visual stream]

Exhillinois:

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-west-kanyewest-yeezy-meme-gif-22503154

[ripe quest]

iirc damage itself is actually pretty simple. It's just base, WS multipliers, damage falloff, and AP. Devs have said that AP is a value that's compared with enemy armor values and a DR is made from there, but Laz implied it's based on ballistics stats.

[frozen glen]

infantry armor and tank armor

[left iron]

[frozen glen]

womp womp

[visual stream]

Was Cry of Fear also Finnish or was that Swedish

[left iron]

That one is Swedish iirc

[nimble fiber]

cry of fear the goat

[ripe quest]

The issues arise w/ stuff like ricochets, elemental influences like explosives, fire, etc, and not actually knowing damage falloff mechanics.

[frozen glen]

venting their frustrations on game development because of all their shit food

[visual stream]

I streamed Outlast for my friend and not a single minute of that game scared me, me playing it scared him. But I played Cry of Fear, and jfc

Why is it so scary

[buoyant pecan]

Yea. ppl.still tell me the Laser rifle is weak and useless and then I just it on the bots and it doesnt line up with what theyre saying at all.

and it just makes me think. How tf are they using it?
How can our experiences be so different?

[nimble fiber]

because the atmosphere in this game is just immaculate

[visual stream]

Even levels that I knew were clear of enemies still unsettled the shit out of me

[frozen glen]

people use a weapon once without learning it and they go to complain on reddit

[ripe quest]

@fading vale Has crab talked about any weird info on how laser weapons work? From what I've gathered they have AP ignore up to heavy armor but I haven't gotten my hands on any straight decompiled files to verify just yet.

[frozen glen]

kind of reminds me of another game

[visual stream]

How often things change in that game make you scared of everything

[ripe quest]

I think they use it like a Breaker and dislike that it doesn't do what a Breaker does.

[frozen glen]

puri pov

[buoyant pecan]

Breaker players using 7 magazines to kill 7 Automatons
Omg its so good

Me, using 4 seconds of Laser Rifle to annilate a whole patrol

[frozen glen]

annilate

[ripe quest]

Lib Pen (another controversial weapon) doing the same thing in 14 bullets w/ a burst mode

[buoyant pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/dies-cat-dead-died-gif-13827091

[drifting wolf]

breaker is my favorite square peg round hole solution to every problem

[ripe quest]

I def don't think it has a 4x weakspot mod instead of a 1.5x but in practical use it def feels like it has a 4x weakspot mod

[buoyant pecan]

Breaker players when 1 mag kills 1 Berserker automaton

https://tenor.com/view/efficiency-is-key-andrew-baena-be-efficient-desired-results-with-minimum-amount-of-time-gif-6399883302359134025

Meanwhile. the Diligence, 2-3 tapping them to the face

[ornate bone]

ZEALOTS

I come bearing...

Cat

[buoyant pecan]

nice Steve

[sterile stone]

You're alive!?

[ornate bone]

Indeed

Just been playing Enlisted and Smallands

[sterile stone]

Smalllands?

[ornate bone]

Like grounded but you can tame the giant bugs

[sterile stone]

Ah

Well look at that.

Gamer gamering

[rigid jetty]

For the combat shotgun should I be using the special shells more or less?

[frozen glen]

which shotgun is that

[rigid jetty]

Combat shotty

[ripe quest]

Which variant of the shotgun.

[frozen glen]

kantrael agripina or lawbringer

[ripe quest]

Lawbringer, Kantrael, or Agripinaa.

[rigid jetty]

Agri

[ripe quest]

The slugs are a special case, the main highlight of the weapon is the primary fire and its high finesse. The slug can do a lot of per-hit damage, so it's good with setups that play into it.

[rigid jetty]

Im pretty new but ill take your word!

Thanks

[visual stream]

Ark Survival Bugvolved

[ripe quest]

At most have one ready but spamming them will be unfun.

[ornate bone]

Indeed

[nimble fiber]

do u know if grounded is dead or will there be any future additions?

[ornate bone]

Much fun.

[ripe quest]

iirc they open Bulwark shields as well, if that's appealing. The Kantrael's fire shot will go through the shield anyway so it'll be a better choice for them.

[ornate bone]

Grounded is about to explode with a Switch/PS5 release

[nimble fiber]

lol what

[visual stream]

But here's the yapper

[ornate bone]

Yepp Microsoft is bringing it to switch and PS5 gonna be tons of players on after

[sharp zodiac]

Gonna try hell let loose one last time

[ornate bone]

Along with Pentiment, Sea Of Thieves and Hi-Fi Rush

[nimble fiber]

I want a new garden to explore

[ornate bone]

I've been playing on console with a few buddies

[ornate bone]

Smallands is very worth it then

[sharp zodiac]

Not having a mic sucks cuz I'm locked out of some roles but I do just mainly play the medic

[ornate bone]

Same lmaoo

I will run out into a hail of gunfire and drag you back to the land of the living.

[nimble fiber]

medic in bf1 was fun lol

[ornate bone]

Easy Red 2 has the best medicing

You can carry guys back to safety and perform basic surgery on them lmaoo

[inner cargo]

Payday 2 moment

[sharp zodiac]

I could try Gotham knights, wouldn't hurt

[coarse birch]

i havent played that one yet although i didnt hear great things about it

[sharp zodiac]

I'd like to see for myself on kt

[frosty herald]

wearable

[ripe quest]

That'd be goated yeah

[north sedge]

i said to try good games

[sharp zodiac]

I want to see for myself on it

I like the aspects of the game

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/freaking-out-concerned-confused-crazy-look-itysl-gif-17618875465987313259

you cannot be helped i am sorry

[sharp zodiac]

It doesn't want to install

[lusty turtle]

Youve been saved

[sharp zodiac]

The only game it let me so far is hell let loose

[sharp zodiac]

Not that fucked up evil creature

[frank night]

WOW

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/charge-attack-battlefield-battlefield1-attack-charge-gif-7279044

[stable cypress]

you're a fucked up evil creature

[sterile stone]

Nothing more terrifying than see some fearless soldier run up on you with a wex

Knowing damn well bullets do pebbles worth of damage to you

[nimble fiber]

bf1 was peak gaming in so many moments

[sterile stone]

As you get sprayed by a flamethrower filled with axe body spray

[nimble fiber]

bring back bf1 gaming

[zinc talon]

love at first sight

until I turned it over

because it's muzzle BRAKE

not muzzle BRAKES

[median steeple]

Castle crashers ass weapon

[frosty herald]

bro is the golden knight from castle crashers

put all of his points into attack

[zinc talon]

I was thinkin final fantasy 7-8 buster weapons

or molten core 40 / burning crusade legendaries

fixxt

[shy river]

dubious little creatures getting into mischief

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/eyebrow-raise-lucifer-the-rock-meme-the-rock-sus-meme-eyebrow-lift-gif-26469081

https://youtu.be/-pey-f0xXRw?si=Gv0_i97Xzv-955gp

[misty mason]

Helldiver's progression system is quite weird. Medals being tied to the battle pass, but the battle pass is where you get weapons, not just cosmetics

[ripe quest]

I wouldn't even call it a battle pass if each one is here forever.

Like there is 0 fomo anywhere, you could probs log in a year later and still grind to get the Plasma

[thorn imp]

Is this the helldivers 2 discord guys

also knife bad

[frosty herald]

erm knife is cracked in gtfo

[north sedge]

Yes

[visual stream]

I'm sledgehammer pilled personally

[calm salmon]

the hd2 discord is a literal cesspit in hell

so uh

[faint vapor]

I find it funny how the more "postive" the community is, the more toxic the discord is

[calm salmon]

me no blame people for just talking about it here - not to mention the class chats have been gen-chat 1-4 for like 8 months anyway

[faint vapor]

the DRG one is also a shithole

[visual stream]

I think letting people talk about other topics is how to keep the community alive, people are gonna wanna come to chill less if they're forced to talk about something tbh

The Discord community, that is

[frosty herald]

isnt the drg one heavily enforced

like no fun allowed

[visual stream]

Mission Control guy personally oversees DRG Discord ig

[misty mason]

I cant even get into the HD discord, so yes, this is HD discord

[misty mason]

How dare you lump the class chats in with that cesspit, General Chat

No fun allowed discords are really bizarre

The Fear and Hunger discord is quite strange for that

[faint vapor]

I genuinely use the reddit more than the discord for DRG

[north sedge]

zealot chat had the most traffic on the server for months pre13

[misty mason]

I just wish this community wasn't so toxic that we scared the CMs into locking themselves in the cupboard under the stairs

[faint vapor]

should have kept the shirtless zealots

at least then it'd be lewd instead

[ripe quest]

It's just kinda an unfortunate side-effect of having a massive launch and then failing on it. A good amount of the people that you could genuinely say are pearl clutching or malding over Fatshark probs feel entitled to an ideal product, and that ideal is unique to each person complaining.

Like fr best advice rn is to just, take a break from the game if you don't like it.

Zel chat is goated at this and does it all the time

[misty mason]

Oh yeah I haven't played properly in weeks. I still like hanging around the community tho

Well, this community

Zel chat stronk

[visual stream]

It's a genuinely good game, I don't know why so many people bitch about new content when it's arguably close to L4D2 levels of replayability

[frosty herald]

well get another influx when fatshark releases a huge update like with vt2 over the years

[left iron]

[ripe quest]

I'd love to play the game rn if it would actually let me.

[faint vapor]

because there's not enough lewd fanart

[misty mason]

The new content has been pretty sparse for a live service thats been out for over a year

But thats cause they've needed to fix things, or add promised core content that doesn't feel like new content

[fading vale]

what's fun is you can spot almost every toxic person when they say "wow this chat is toxic and off topic"

[frosty herald]

kinda wanna know how split fatshark is with working on versus

[left iron]

Average pug experience

[misty mason]

Wow, this user is toxic and off topic

[ripe quest]

Last I checked this is currently not a live service game, Fatshark paused that whole thing when they said they were focusing on fixing the game up like a month after launch.

It's no more live service than Vermintide is, outside of maybe the store.

[calm salmon]

Yeah, at this point I'm just expecting DT to be treated exactly like VT2

[misty mason]

It's a full price (for AA) game with a rotating real money store. That's close enough to being a Live Service for the negative connotations to be deserved

[calm salmon]

massive periods of radio silence broken by randomly big patches

It doesn't help that the the Fatshark v The People situation with their CMs early on was uh

[ripe quest]

Aight hold on, you can't pin a style of game on solely the price and the monetization.

[calm salmon]

such a gigantic clusterfuck, which just fed into the whole radio silence thing

[ripe quest]

Like you can say the monetization is akin to that of a live service game, it absolutely doesn't make this one just off of that.

[misty mason]

I'd argue Live Service is primarily defined by its monetisation

[calm salmon]

No.

Warframe is Live Service

they're constantly tinkering with systems.

Basically just a nonstop train of small and big updates.

[frosty herald]

atleast we arent payday 3

[calm salmon]

Darktide and VT2 are just. . . games.

A callback to the post internet/pre fame era.

[misty mason]

Right, so we get the negative aspects of a live service, without the "perks" lmao

[calm salmon]

Updates, but nobody really knows when they're coming.

[ripe quest]

Yeah I'd much sooner look at how the game is updated over the monetization part.

[calm salmon]

Dead By Daylight, Fortnite, Call of Duty

[ripe quest]

That's just like, backwards thinking? It's officially a normal game rn with a rotating store.

[calm salmon]

those are all live service games.

[visual stream]

Grr gimme more free content FarkShat

[misty mason]

Well, no matter which way you slice it, a premium game with persistent updates and modern monetisation. And that's not good

[ripe quest]

Like, Fatshark said that they are putting that whole thing on the back burner until they fix up stuff and afaik they've never said they wanted to resume it.

[calm salmon]

the only shit aspect of the store is that its missing recolors.

Its not "really" customization outside of >Here's a wardrobe where nothing matches

[ripe quest]

So what's the ideal here? No updates?

[visual stream]

"It matches with itself. Good luck"

[misty mason]

No, you're being very ungenerous with how you're interpreting what I'm saying

[calm salmon]

That and its kinda expensive

50 dollars for 4 rogue trader outfits

50 dollars for a whole ass game

[ripe quest]

You're being vague and overall anti-Fatshark about it what else am I supposed to infer

[misty mason]

If they're not adding new features, just tinkering with things to fix them, they shouldn't be monetising the game outside of the purchase price

[ripe quest]

Literally tell me dude

[frosty herald]

we need to make melk useful

[frozen glen]

womp womp

[misty mason]

If your definition of "live service" is based on the frequency of updates and system changes - we're not getting that

[calm salmon]

I mean, he is, just not for long term players.

[misty mason]

But we do have live service-esque monetisation

[calm salmon]

And that's really all that's left.

[ripe quest]

Exactly

It's not a live service game rn

[calm salmon]

Once you get a majority of blessings, he's pretty pointless.

[visual stream]

I see him as a blessing goose

Sometimes lays a golden egg that I want

[misty mason]

So, what I'm saying is that we have the monetisation (which is bad), but not the frequent updates - though that seems to be the overaching strategy/justification

[ripe quest]

But also that decision is just of poor monetization practices that Fatshark has been rightfully called out for but wouldn't make it a live service game.

It also doesn't help that from what I can tell the Internet Approved™️ definition is that of a game that intends to prolong a playerbase by selling content, which differs from both of us.

We haven't gotten a single DLC update for Darktide. Vermintide is more of a live service game in that regard.

[calm salmon]

see: DbD constantly releasing new heroes and villians

[fair igloo]

What makes a game count as live service anyways? Is it just being updated/expanded?

[misty mason]

Yeah I dunno - I still don't 100% agree with your definition of a Live Service, but it's kind of a moot point

[ripe quest]

Rainbow Six is a textbook example of that IA™️ definition

[misty mason]

My overall point is just that it's bad monetisation

Which we agree on

I think the most simple definition is a game that is designed to keep you playing as long as possible, in order to sell microtransactions

So perpetual updates

[ripe quest]

And my overall point is that if you're expecting an update/content stream as if it were a live service game, you're not going to be satisfied with the game.

[misty mason]

I never said I was

[ripe quest]

"The new content has been pretty sparse for a live service thats been out for over a year"

[fair igloo]

I think this makes the most sense

[misty mason]

This comes back to our differing definitions

[fair igloo]

specifically prolonging and updating a game to try and get more microtransactions

[misty mason]

But yeah, it's not something I'm trying to argue. I'm not more right than you, it's a subjective term

[frosty herald]

fatshark is on that passive income grindset

[fading vale]

I was promised regular content updates but instead I got a full cosmetic store, how toxic

[ripe quest]

Your standard of update density was based on it being a live service game, I do not see how your definition aligns with that. You're just going to be disappointed if you expect that rate of updates. I'm assuming you already are disappointed based on you saying "where update" every like 3 days.

Which is fine, it's been like 4 months or smth and it's a bit annoying having no communication. But even normal updates from Fatshark aren't gonna keep up.

[ripe quest]

Those people who are still buying each rotation are funding the blessing update single-handedly.

[frosty herald]

im just going to play other stuff

but it has been very slow content wise that i will agree about

i do know that they had longer times between blogs for meatier blogs

hopefully theyre cooking up something big

[calm salmon]

for myself, impossible to say I'm not satisfied

but I have grown weary of how OP we are now

[polar nexus]

yeah but you can try fun and dumb things

[calm salmon]

yeah, that doesn't really hold true on ogryn

everything is stupidly OP

[north sedge]

ogryn is dumb thing

[polar nexus]

you know the game well enough to not be some kind a of deadweight

[visual stream]

It feels like psyker is probably the weakest class in the game, unsure though

[fair igloo]

I personally will always believe that nerfing the player will always be a worse design decision than adding more difficulty (not artificial difficulty however) to games but i'm a little dumb and that's just my personal opinion

[frosty herald]

here comes the daily rant about everything being overpowered

[ripe quest]

I was satisfied with my purchase before the game even came out. I hope for a good future with this game, it's just a progression overhaul away from being a fully good landmark of the Whammer games.

[south folio]

design wise the outcome will be the same

[visual stream]

Not weakest as in it's a bad class, just not as high potential

[south folio]

it's just a matter of what is palatable to people

[polar nexus]

hmmm

[south folio]

even though the numerical outcome is the same

I for one am not fond of looking forward to 6k HP crushers so I want nerfs

[calm salmon]

darktide's engine just can't keep adding more difficulty.

[polar nexus]

i did not know shout vet was high potential

[fair igloo]

It's like how in ultrakill, rocket riding was extremely overpowered but instead of completely nerfing it into the ground, the developer instead added enemies with better anti-air capabilities, so rather than removing options the player had before they just had to find newer ways to get around it which I think was a great design decision

[calm salmon]

The audio COMPLETELY broke with the auric patch.

Because 16 specials per wave shat all over it.

[ripe quest]

I want 12k hp Crushers but only 1-2 spawn at a time in Auric Damn.

[frosty herald]

raid boss time

[fair igloo]

idkkk 👀

[calm salmon]

Like, the engine of darktide is at critical mass, and now its time to nerf weapons/skill trees down.

[polar nexus]

i want mini crushers with high voices trying to smash you

[south folio]

sure, though the ultra kill dev very much loves his rule of cool

[frosty herald]

i want the tzeentch modifier back

[hushed bear]

just picked this up from the shop on my stealth zealot and was wondering if i should swap carapace for something else

[south folio]

they can add more dimensions to stuff

[fair igloo]

Ofc I don't mean artificial difficulty, I just mean unique ways to force the players to adapt other than taking away options they have! I'm not exactly a game designer tho so I don't really have any suggestions

[misty mason]

Yeah I mean I love the game and have recommended it to people multiple times. But yeah, having live service style monetisation makes the slower updates more frustrating than they would be otherwise

[fading vale]

NO NERFS ONLY BUFFS

[misty mason]

Boy howdy though, I really hope they get the blessing patch right

[frozen glen]

its a pve game

[calm salmon]

live hd2 discourse

[south folio]

relative player power also needs to be tuned down to allow for a reduction elite/special numbers

[warped dragon]

people want a baby game I guess

[calm salmon]

[frozen glen]

pve gmagemagmam

[visual stream]

Is it not?

[misty mason]

Cause the actual moment to moment gameplay is good at the moment

[frosty herald]

and here comes the daily rant

how fun...

[visual stream]

Holy moly

Never see these psykers

[ripe quest]

Swap Mercy Killer to Uncanny and +Crit Chance to Elites/Unyielding. Could do Flak or Maniac but I checked those BPs assuming Precog and Executor being up.

[buoyant pecan]

Im here for it

[visual stream]

Soulflame is cracked to stack tho

[polar nexus]

in terms of skill, not dmg

[fair igloo]

Like i was talking about earlier in ultrakill how instead of nerfing rocket riding completely, he added in weapons with an anti air cannon AND also gave that enemy a mechanic that prevented them from shooting if you froze your rocket launcher's rockets midair, which ALSO prevented you from using it to rocket ride, which was a much better design choice than just removing rocket riding out of the game

[buoyant pecan]

Its been a bit since ive been here for rants so i may be a little rusty. Please be understanding

[fair igloo]

Not only did he somehow make rocket riding a less overpowered mechanic, he gave players MORE options to fight against the enemies while doing so

[visual stream]

High potential means power in this context

[polar nexus]

oh ok

[warped dragon]

Nobody is asking for mechanics to be removed. Just nerf the overtuned shit

[polar nexus]

feels like void psyker is dumb as hell

[south folio]

sure they can add more dimensions to stuff

[fair igloo]

Psyker is super duper build dependant i think! Psyker never clicked with me until I asked for help with a trauma soulblaze build

[south folio]

but numerical nerfs are still in play

[polar nexus]

trauma and purg are dumb as well

[frosty herald]

the twins were a proper challenge ngl

[south folio]

ultrakill still nerfed day1 sharpshooter pistol

[fair igloo]

well tbf sharpshooter was untested 🙏

It killed flesh prison instantly

[coarse birch]

you would be correct

psyker has a lot of pretty overtuned stuff

[calm salmon]

ain't no reason for a revolver doing >2000 maniac damage

[coarse birch]

void is probably the top of the list

[calm salmon]

NO NERFS ONLY BUFFS

now everything does >2000 maniac damage

[fading vale]

I'm just gonna watch vet chat with some popcorn when plasma and revolver get nerfed

[coarse birch]

oh right my bad

[north sedge]

steam reviews

[fair igloo]

I'm obv not saying there shouldn't be nerfs, I just think that purely numerical nerfs and number tuning wouldn't be the best way to balance things at least in my opinionnn

[south folio]

and the hardest difficulty should be hard

[fair igloo]

but i'm also not very smart

[polar nexus]

i do not feel like purg and trauma are less dumb

[visual stream]

Exactly. Unlike zealot, where like everything works, there are so very few things that are super good but those things are indeed super good

[south folio]

ultrakill has some leeway since there are two higher difficulties still unreleased

[fair igloo]

that's fairr :)

[polar nexus]

at least with trauma you got that aoe targeting mechanic

[coarse birch]

trauma is p much right there, purg in a world where it doesnt work with uncanny is fine to me

[south folio]

but damnation is the cap for darktide

[visual stream]

Minecraft creative mode is also pve game, but we don't want to play Minecraft creative mode if we keep getting buffed

[frozen glen]

its apve game

[south folio]

I would hope that the hardest difficulty is properly difficult and also less asinine in how the difficulty is presented

[frozen glen]

@south folio

[south folio]

I will drown you

[left iron]

[royal vortex]

ape v game

[frozen glen]

shut the fuck up jliug

[royal vortex]

😭

[coarse birch]

you mean you dont like dying to one specific thing

[frosty herald]

red i will hellsweep you

[south folio]

fly my 20 ragers

[coarse birch]

exclusively

[calm salmon]

My favorite way to nerf plasma gun would be:

1. Remove all finesse modifiers on attacks under 60% charge - Body shots, headshots, critical body shots and critical headshots all do the same amount of damage under 60% charge

2. Add a magazine to the reserves because now players are forced to interact with the 9 ammo cost charge mechanic for beeg damage

3. Change the unholster animation to the same speed of bolter. Its a heavy weapon, make it feel like one.

[fair igloo]

it's a pez game

[coarse birch]

i just want rmb to have a reason to exist and lmb nerfed

[south folio]

id keep finesse and also just shoot bullet magnetism in the knees

[misty mason]

The plasma does feel pretty slow to draw already

[calm salmon]

Oh yeah, and lower the penetration to like 10, instead of 100

[fading vale]

I would read all that but uh I'm not going to right now

[south folio]

no weapon in this world deserves 1x finesse

[frozen glen]

you deserve 1x finesse

[south folio]

I cri

[polar nexus]

i want lmb to be like void lmb, a rapid fire shot

[misty mason]

Youre a weapon

[fair igloo]

does that mean arco is a weapon

[left iron]

Arco has no finesse

[coarse birch]

i think thats a compliment

[south folio]

my tears shall drown this world

[polar nexus]

like you got 2 mode, machine gun or big boom

[fading vale]

arco will infect your game with roblox

[south folio]

don't tempt me

[frosty herald]

also also

dont forget that there is the possibility of more weapon variants being added in the same class

[fair igloo]

obviously, the best way to nerf the plasma gun would be forcing the veteran to throw it at an enemy and have the gun blow itself up permanently for the rest of the mission once he runs out of ammo

[frosty herald]

like light plasma rifle and heavy plasma rifle

[coarse birch]

i would be ok with that

[fair igloo]

borderlands tediore reload but only once

[fading vale]

make it self kill more often again

[coarse birch]

i used to love plasma

now its dead to me

[calm salmon]

I didn't know you were capable of crying

[fair igloo]

veteran is my least played class and it's purely cuz i just find playing it sooo boring cuz of how dominant plasma is 💔

[warped dragon]

Then don’t use plasma

[fair igloo]

I used to use a CIAG build and then I played with a plasma gun that 1shot everything before i could kill anything

[south folio]

why am I seen as some inhuman being

[fair igloo]

and i just couldn't play the game

[coarse birch]

cause your a duck

[south folio]

fake news

[frosty herald]

I just use bolter on vet

[fair igloo]

arco speedrunning through a mission

[frosty herald]

Serves me pretty well even though i dont hit anything

[warped dragon]

[coarse birch]

yeah bolter is fun

[fair igloo]

particle duckcelerator

[fading vale]

if only nearly every weapon was OP on vet

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/xd-monkey-is-gaming-bruvkek-gif-21206148

[coarse birch]

no being able to take 25 cracked nodes is balanced

[visual stream]

Darktide:

[frosty herald]

Just waiting on my light automatic plasma rifle and power greatsword

https://tenor.com/view/hang-on-gif-27524073

[south folio]

2h force sword when

[coarse birch]

i need more force weapons

[south folio]

true

[tropic harbor]

I wish we had a bunch of op, broken weapons for every class that makes using anything else throwing