I use:
SG-225 Breaker, Redeemer, Railgun, Backpack of Choice, 500kg, Eagle Airstrike
#zealot-class
median steeple
It needs to be so much more
calm salmon
dif 5 to dif 9, really.
Because I hate how fucking awful bugs are when a single charger or BT shows up
spare talon
wdym, isnt it horizontal perpendicular to the way you were facing when you threw it?
calm salmon
and I have literally anything but the Railgun
calm salmon
wdym, isnt it horizontal perpendicular to the way you were facing when you threw...
its random from left/right
wind dagger
you can kill chargers easily w a breaker
wind dagger
just bait them into doing their long charge then shoot their rear leg as they slide
spare talon
i assumed that what you meant, but i dont see how that affects chargers
wind dagger
it breaks the armor
calm salmon
but uh. . . since I'm not keeping track of their locations, its functionally random
calm salmon
just bait them into doing their long charge then shoot their rear leg as they sl...
now THAT one feels like a bug
unlike the BT thing
because its EVERY GUN
even the spray and pray
damages the charger legs after its missed a charge
oh thank god
finally, something new today
watch it break like daily orders though 
and we don't get another major order for 3 weeks
median steeple
Guh why'd they change the colour
median steeple
I hope we get mechs as reinforcements when we lose
median steeple
That was a theory that we're supposed to lose this order and get reinforcements
calm salmon
speaking of, march 8th and I get my new headset
median steeple
Nice
calm salmon
in the meantime, 3m ducttaped headset it is
calm salmon
I'm also getting open back headphones 🤔
this will be a brand new experience
28 years on this planet
I've literally never used open backs before
calm salmon
I'm also getting open back headphones 🤔
Philips sh9600s if anyone cares
they were 75 bucks on amazon, and highly reviewed at their "release" price of 120 bucks, so I figured. . . fuggit why not
median steeple
Wait open back headphones?
calm salmon
yeah
median steeple
Like have you been using earbuds for 28 years
calm salmon
yesn't
earbuds at school/work
closed back headphones at home
pretty much since I've been old enough to care about music/video games
median steeple
Like did they wrap around your head like that shit from star wars
calm salmon
uh
So. . .
you must have the wrong idea
open back and closed back means the driver cover
IE: The magnet that produces sound
open back means the driver is exposed to air
closed back means its not
median steeple
Oh what the fuck
I've never heard of that before
Yeah bro I thought you were like this
Fuck this I'm going to bed my brain is running low
calm salmon
lmaoooooooooooooooo
true kindle
Philips sh9600s if anyone cares
ivory marlin
What
zealous basin
ivory marlin
Flip
zealous basin
hi
ivory marlin
You should main thw best killer
zealous basin
i do
ivory marlin
The one i use
zealous basin
no its the one i use
ivory marlin
The wraith
zealous basin
ivory marlin
Wraith best killer
zealous basin
lil bro its not too late to pretend u aint say that
zealous basin
cringe
billy nurse chucky supremacy
in that order
dam i cant wait to play deceive inc tomorrow
whos hopping on
ivory marlin
Nurse to hard to use
ivory marlin
Bill is the best survivor btw
Even tho i rarely play survivor
I like wraith too much
ivory marlin
whos hopping on
Im playing r6 tomorrow
My friend’s friend bought me it
I dont really know why tbh
ivory marlin
horrible awful take
Are we no longer friends cuz of my takes or did you only just lose a bit of respect
I like the other killers
Im just bad at the game with everyone but wraith
I understand his kit well
ivory marlin
Im playing r6 tomorrow
Oh god
Im a destiny 2 player
AND a rainbow 6 player
EW
ripe quest
That's like, jail time.
ivory marlin
Nah put me down at this point
zealous basin
i cant handle dbd survivors omg this is so boring
why are they hiding
its time for hunt showdown
i wish i had more booze
ivory marlin
REAL
zealous basin
idk how im arleady out
ivory marlin
Me when i have to skill check (i played hooked on you longer then my in game time on dbd)
zealous basin
that is only bad if u have save the best for last
ivory marlin
Oh ok
zealous basin
does literally nothing if u dont have a perk that interacts with it
ivory marlin
I thought you swung faster when not hitting fixation
zealous basin
thats what save the best for last is
ivory marlin
I’ve never played billy ima be real
zealous basin
zealous basin
i played a game of hunt and it was me and one other guy and we just headshot eachother
guess i god to bed idfk
ancient brook
Righto lads - what do I do to this to make it shine
Shattering Impact feels goated already
Pinpointing fire?
Elite to Maniac?
Infested maybe?
for boss dmg
oak ermine
Righto lads - what do I do to this to make it *shine*
Elite to Maniac/UY is fine
Pinning Fire is a must - probably replace Gloryhunter with it
SI is largely whatever, but it’s “better” than Gloryhunter
ancient brook
I love SI, seems great on Bolter
oak ermine
… if it takes more than 4 shots to kill anything
ancient brook
really? How many should a Crusher take?
oak ermine
Which may or may not reduce your kill times significantly
Well, yeah, but after you shoot these 4 rounds, how much HP is that Crusher already going to have?
PROBABLY not a lot, and it’s only then that SI takes full effect
ripe quest
SI is specifically for Carapace damage.
Cuts the amount of shots spent on a Crusher in half if you're not maxing out damage, which is common on Zealot.
oak ermine
Wouldn’t using FotF achieve the same effect, though?
And you could have the blessing slot dedicated to say, Cavalcade
I imagine SI is much better if you don’t use FotF as your ability, though
ripe quest
If you were only ever hitting Crushers while under the effects of FotF, you would indeed get more value out of Fury.
oak ermine
And I suppose that’s fair
I typically cease myself from unloading an entire magazine on a group of 4 crushers, unless I really have no choice
fading vale
man where were you for that big shattering impact argument yesterday morning
or whenever it was a day or two ago
ember yew
didnt we discussed that like a month ago
tldr its suckusu
pinning fire / cavalcade and unload like a man
fading vale
it was one of the shattering is for team play people
lusty turtle
On the one hand not wrong, on the other hand theres no shattering impact weapon with small emough damage for that to be value
oak ermine
Trauma technically qualifies, for anything that isn’t killed by the epicentre
But then Trauma has a better build than Brittling Shockwave
fading vale
I think maybe it's weird to think of bolter benefitting from crit
nimble fiber
oak ermine
And anything that gets Brittled with the former build either doesn’t matter, because everyone is expected go have something anti-Carapace/anti mass armour generally, so it changes very little in the end 
lusty turtle
bolter has enough finesse now, people are too used to pre-patch 13 bolter
oak ermine
Bolter indeed has good finesse right now
fading vale
also taking 4 shots to max shattering is sad
lusty turtle
honestly i think bolter could do with losing some flak ADM
which would also help shattering be less sad
gray ice
I would like to take this opportunity to unsolicitedly say that dclaw/plasma gun is the most fun vet loadout
fading vale
prepare to moderate vet channel when plasma gets nerfed
lusty turtle
god dont
having to moderate it around the acca change and ps nerf
or the general vet tree stuff
fading vale
NO NERFS ONLY BUFFS
ember yew
FS: Oopsie.
fading vale
you mean to tell me you have a full cosmetic store AND YOU NERFED THE PSWORD
ember yew
FS should overbuff lux mk3 and make it meta
fading vale
can I get a round of hammer being OP, well I guess that happened when thrust bug
lusty turtle
it could maybe do with a mobility bump to compete with columnus
and columnus could stand to gain some recoil and lose damage at range
fading vale
I mean autopistol is just pretty shit at killing anything that's not a maniac or special
ember yew
it will take an eternity to kill mutant too
lusty turtle
i'll take a look at the ADMs but it felt fine in the matches i ran it
bleak ice
I mean autopistol is just pretty shit at killing anything that's not a maniac or...
anything heavier than that is melees job no?
for a zealot at least
fading vale
no not really
bleak ice
oh
lusty turtle
that is because ranged weapons are generally too good
IAG should lose their 4 crit chain i hope
south folio
noh
bleak ice
please no
lusty turtle
im making it my mission to kill crit chains
bleak ice
I'm nothing without the 4 crit
south folio
and i'm making it my mission to kill ohio
lusty turtle
and i'm making it my mission to kill ohio
thank fuck
fading vale
namely the performance on flak trash, gunners, shotgunners, flak ragers, unyielding on autopistol is just..... ugh
bleak ice
fair
fading vale
so many bullets to kill
bleak ice
I just take the step up to columnus
lusty turtle
okay hot take
south folio
i should whip it out someday to see how it works with a melee zealot
bleak ice
basically just an autopistol +3
fading vale
pretty sure the columnus isn't supposed to have the same move speed as an autopistol
lusty turtle
i think all pistol class weapons SHOULD make sacrifices in damage for the mobility they get
i think as an example laspistol should lose a lot of its crazy crit
south folio
yeah and with their swap speed
bleak ice
I mean columnus is small carbine sized
lusty turtle
its why the kickbacks current state annoys me
it was fine because it fills the pistol role for ogryn
quick draw and instant action
fading vale
trade offer, delete the screen out to 40m
lusty turtle
I mean columnus is small carbine sized
ye the idea for the columnus changes was to make it an SMG
its just not quiet got the sub part yet
bleak ice
Agripinaa slides into CIAG role 2 seconds later
fading vale
it is strange the IAGs have such good hipfire relative to brautos
dense field
ye the idea for the columnus changes was to make it an SMG
I don't know who came up with an idea that damage falloff is a drawback
bleak ice
the ADS recoil was supposed to make up for it, but it doesn't
IAGs are great aimed or hip fired
dense field
And that it has to be compensated for
calm salmon
I don't know who came up with an idea that damage falloff is a drawback
inb4 fatshark just goes "Damage falloff starts at 5 meters, get fucked buckos"
bleak ice
I don't know who came up with an idea that damage falloff is a drawback
Most games, really.
fading vale
brautos are hipfire the gun but IAGs are more accurate and do more damage cause finesse
bleak ice
fading vale
"only got 3"
south folio
graia has 3 and agri has 2
dense field
Most games, really.
Most games are not as claustrophobic as darktide
fading vale
huh agri only has 2
dense field
It's basically a knife fight in a phone booth
dense field
For firearms
nimble fiber
orange juice
calm salmon
I'd argue that most games are claustrophobic clusterfucks
bleak ice
Most games are not as claustrophobic as darktide
Darktide does have stretches of large open areas in between extreme close quarters encounters.
south folio
what crit strings does to a mf
calm salmon
the stuff that isn't is usually a milsim
calm salmon
what crit strings does to a mf
i have no idea what this is
lusty turtle
I don't know who came up with an idea that damage falloff is a drawback
it is a drawback but theres a few issues
namely rending/brittleness removes ranged fall off
calm salmon
and why is it in light mode
lusty turtle
south folio
i don't have a dark mode addon for desmos on microsoft edge
calm salmon
it hurts my eyes
lusty turtle
it is a drawback but theres a few issues
namely rending/brittleness removes ran...
which is also why the kickback is so insane
calm salmon
south folio
death to your eyes
lusty turtle
that rending in the oggy tree applies to the entire blast radius
south folio
basically those equations are your effective crit chance once crit strings get thrown into the mix
bleak ice
and why is it in light mode
Do you not use light mode?
calm salmon
This is great?
this is great
south folio
p is your per-shot crit chance
p_2 is your effective crit chance with a crit string of 2
and so forth
calm salmon
yours is blasphemy
lusty turtle
can't believe i'm banning arco again for rule 1 
south folio
kill ohio
calm salmon
yeah I just round up my crit chance on stubber to 33%
frosty herald
My eyes
calm salmon
or whatever
frosty herald
They burn
bleak ice
this is great
Why is everything so compressed?
lusty turtle
you know what, i have the flu atm, maybe i shouldn't be checking weapon ADMs and doing math
south folio
you know what, i have the flu atm, maybe i shouldn't be checking weapon ADMs and...
tragic
fading vale
This is great?
calm salmon
I shoot gun and get crit strings of 6 like 4 times a mag
nimble fiber
get better soon skele
calm salmon
Why is everything so ``compressed?``
compressed mode
so its more like IRC
I only get baited by a couple people constantly changing their names
josho and lazorr usually
simple grail
anyone of you tried helldivers 2?
lusty turtle
get better soon skele<:sassyyes:797622796439912488>
Thx tryin to
bleak ice
anyone of you tried helldivers 2?
I did, we lost Malevelon Creek. 😔
frozen glen
anyone of you tried helldivers 2?
no one plays that game in zealot chat
calm salmon
anyone of you tried helldivers 2?
i put an unhealthy amount of hours into it basically immediately
bleak ice
I'm playing darktide again to cope with the loss.
calm salmon
and now I'm kinda getting burnt out lmao
mostly from the lack of kit decision making
like, even release darktide had more kit choices
dense field
I did, we lost Malevelon Creek. 😔
The trees speak in binary
simple grail
i think i prefer darktide
calm salmon
cause pretty much everything was dogshit, but still effective
bleak ice
I like both
calm salmon
bolter, mg12, and sap were the only standouts
but me ogryn main
so everything was gud
simple grail
i think helldivers seems kinda monotonous
dense field
I agree
bleak ice
The encounters are just different in helldivers
calm salmon
it kinda devolves into "running simulator" if you care about unlock resources
simple grail
i mean darktide has maps, and helldivers ur just kinda running in the same thing but diffrent colours
nimble fiber
I wonder what a tyrannosaurus would have tasted like
bleak ice
Helldivers is more Starship Troopers/Terminator while Darktide reminds me more of Doom for some reason
dense field
Perhaps the real helldive were the friends we met along the way?
calm salmon
with stupidly expensive cars that are way bigger than they have any right to be
bleak ice
Ripping through countless hordes of humans with my sword just hits a little diff
calm salmon
darktide's combat is definitely more visceral
frosty herald
Also the notion of melee weapons
calm salmon
but that's because its melee focused
bleak ice
I wonder what a tyrannosaurus would have tasted like
Have you ever had fried alligator tail meat?
calm salmon
but that's because its melee focused
gun psykers need not apply
@south folio
south folio
🥺
bleak ice
is it good?
Yeah lol we used to go down to the creek and pull gators out to cook.
Tasty meat, especially the muscular ones.
calm salmon
with stupidly expensive cars that are way bigger than they have any right to be
that said, the maps will need to be made massively bigger if we get cars
fading vale
josho has been a menace with cluster bombs recently
calm salmon
and I will actually quit playing if they don't have functioning suspension
bleak ice
gun psykers need not apply
<@297182781346152448>
I'm a gunker and still melee lol
calm salmon
The terrain in HD2 right now is super hyper exaggerated
nimble fiber
Tasty meat, especially the muscular ones.
def need to try it at some point lol
calm salmon
and cars are just gonna feel like ass unless they do something about it
bleak ice
Even the squishiest gunker sees more melee combat in one mission than the average helldiver sees in 5
calm salmon
unless bugs
bugs have knives for hands
and are not afraid to use them
that said, SG225 breaker
bleak ice
You usually don't punch back
calm salmon
it gets better the closer the bugs are
I mean, if you're talking literally meleeing
I have 40k total kills
and 5, 5 total melee kills
bleak ice
I am talking literally
Like hitting the shit outta them
When someone enters my vicinity in Helldivers?
calm salmon
josho has been a menace with cluster bombs recently
cluster bombs have such a disrespectully large blast radius
bleak ice
My response is
calm salmon
I can stand basically on top of an eagle airstrike
but the fuckin clusterbomb is like 60 meters across
the fact that its the first eagle you get is even worse
cause newbs are using this gigantic friendly fire tool and don't know how to aim it
bleak ice
Fuck what is 120mm he barrage
simple grail
also the stalward or what the wep is called
calm salmon
I use:
Dominator 5, Whatever the fuckin machine pistol is called, Railgun, B-1 Supply Pack, 500kg, Airstrike
Redemption or somethin
bleak ice
right right down left right down
calm salmon
its funny
not a good build
the Jar-5 and Redemption
The Jar-5 is awfully clunky, and the scorcher does what it does but objectively better in every single way
But its neat
BANG BANG BANG. . . shit burst BANG BANG BANG
bleak ice
Basically anytime a bot gets within 10 meters of my location
calm salmon
The Jar-5 is awfully clunky, and the scorcher does what it does but objectively ...
Which, fair I guess, it IS a premium weapon and arrowhead definitely doesn't want the p2w complaints cause all four premium weapons are mad mediocre
calm salmon
stalwart is the call-in lmg
calm salmon
MG-43 is the space mg-42 call-in gpmg
stalwart was a primary weapon in HD1
not a call-in
simple grail
just seems like all call ins are better
calm salmon
And it deserves the same treatment in HD2. Its absolutely not good enough to be a call-in weapon
Give that bitch like
7 magazines
and now its a respectable call-in weapon
but 1 in the gun+3 extra is just. . . blegh. . . for taking up an anti-armor slot
simple grail
hvant played to much, only play it with a date and she doesnt really peform that much, and we only play as 2
fading vale
I use:
Dominator 5, Whatever the fuckin machine pistol is called, Railgun, B-1...
railgun bubble shield user spotted
calm salmon
I don't use the bubble shield
people are just dogshit
hunters are NOT that problematic
fading vale
oh you said supply pack
calm salmon
now, bots is a different story
fuck bots
shield all day
I find it terribly unfun randomly dying from 1 of 60 devastator's rockets
fading vale
I just run with the throwing distance light armor and autocannon
and usually a couple eagles and something random
fading vale
it can 2 shot them not super reliably
calm salmon
it'd be nice if arrowhead chilled the fuck out on hulk's mobility
simple grail
so u dont use any call in weps?
calm salmon
a single helldiver should be able to circle strafe one
it'd make them way less cancer to fight
fading vale
so u dont use any call in weps?
autocannon is a support weapon
bleak ice
Go fuck yourself bug: ➡️⬇️⬇️⬅️⬇️➡️⬇️⬇️ (380mm HE Barrage)
calm salmon
if only the 120 and 380 were actually good
they're like. . . okay. . . if rng favors you
fading vale
God josho punched me when I was in the middle of the base about to throw a 380 yesterday
calm salmon
honestly
best fix?
make them focus on buildings intentionally
and then from there, biggest targets to smallest
but if you just yeet it into a field of trash
random bullshit go
Like they are now
fading vale
I think just make them bias towards buildings and large targets but don't make them straight up hit them all the time
bleak ice
Well there always ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️
lavish flame
I think just make them bias towards buildings and large targets but don't make t...
Better idea
calm salmon
I'd be cool with that
lavish flame
More shells
fading vale
more shells lol
fading vale
Well there always ⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️
the 500 is so fun
bleak ice
genius
calm salmon
I don't take the 500 during complex stratagem mission modifier
going from 4 seconds to 8 is uh
back breaking
unless you're just trying to nuke a building
fading vale
I love the 500, I somehow got a 26 kill with one yesterday on bugs
bleak ice
Other great one I used on the Creek ➡️⬇️⬆️➡️⬇️
fading vale
I kept nailing bile titans with them too and man it feels nice when kaboom
calm salmon
Other great one I used on the Creek ➡️⬇️⬆️➡️⬇️
orbital laser is good but not
its amazing at clearing medium and smaller trash
but it just gets stuck on big guys
bleak ice
Great for catching your friends "accidentally" too
fading vale
it can also be great for clearing nests
calm salmon
THEN throw laser
fading vale
smh railgun users
calm salmon
smh railgun users
if I could forcefully tether teammates to me so they couldn't go further than 25 meters
I'd use literally anything else
but I can't
shy river
Auto cannon too stronk
frosty herald
so i need to move the arrow keys or awsd for stratagems
bleak ice
How fast we bent the knee to meta slaves
fading vale
at least you give up your backpack slot with an autocannon and it doesn't literally kill everything and ignore armor
calm salmon
mostly the problem comes down to:
There's 100 bots on screen and the only way to effectively kill them is hit all of their weakspots
Medium armor bugs are fucking pointless enemies that provide zero threat, while chargers and bile titans are heavy armor
and the RR, Spear, and EAT are awfully clunky solutions
bleak ice
Most useless stratagem ➡️⬇️➡️⬇️➡️⬇️
calm salmon
especially on helldive when you get 10 chargers and 5 bile titans on screen
bleak ice
That shit is ass
fading vale
yeah the support weapons could use work
fading vale
Most useless stratagem ➡️⬇️➡️⬇️➡️⬇️
I do not know this one
calm salmon
arrowhead hasn't done a good job on balancing enemy comps at all
fading vale
I just play 7s with friends and go in pairs mostly
calm salmon
and all of the support weapons are jankmaster supreme except for the autocannon and GL, and neither one works on heavy armor
bleak ice
I do not know this one <:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107>
orbital walking barrage
bleak ice
don't
fading vale
eagles are too relatively good
calm salmon
its actually goated for bot factories
bleak ice
RNG dependant
fading vale
compared to orbitals
bleak ice
I throw out walking barrage and it strategically hits fuckall
fading vale
you get so many eagles and they recharge fast
calm salmon
you need to use it on BIG bot factory complexes
bleak ice
fr
fading vale
which I love but like, in relative terms to orbitals idk
calm salmon
orbital airstrike? No, eagle 500kg
orbital 120mm barrage? No eagle airstrike
so on and so forth
bleak ice
eagle is a nice direct "HEY SHITASS" while orbitals are a general "hey fuck you"
fading vale
but if I'm planning to go chuck stratagems with my throwing distance armor at bases what am I not gonna use eagle airstrike and 500
calm salmon
Like I've said before
first pass balance
darktide was much the same
2009 MW2 COD
World at War
fortnite to a degree
all first pass balance is fucking shit
fading vale
I don't really care too much in helldivers cause it's just kind of a pure fun fuck around game, but some stuff is too weak for sure
calm salmon
spear 👀
Can't oneshot bugs unless you get a headshot
has 4 ammo
requires a lock on
What a shit weapon
fading vale
I'm not gonna be sweating like I would in darktide or be competitive
calm salmon
yeah I haven't really gotten competitive in HD2
mostly just figuring things out that let me reliably finish missions
and since I'm a qp andy
shy river
Balance this nerf that I just wanna hellbomb
calm salmon
I can do bugs helldive in my sleep
while I've cleared bots helldive
its not fun to me
fading vale
it snowballs too fast
lavish flame
its *not* fun to me
One rocket per second go brrrrrr
fading vale
bots out here throwing up flares within 2 milliseconds
lavish flame
Granted it has like fuckall ammo
calm salmon
suggestion:
Stamina should offer 100% aimpunch resistance
Getting hit should take away stamina
fading vale
also any of the small bots can call in dropships which is annoying
calm salmon
at least you could poke your head out of cover against bots without being aimpunched to high heavens making the weakspot mechanic impossible to play around
sinful widget
is the atrox 2 tac axe worth using?
fading vale
it's pretty mid
calm salmon
short answer: no
bleak ice
cause fuck fighting bots with randoms on anything above 6
it's fun in a car crash sort of way
fading vale
but you can use it
sinful widget
yeah im ignoring it
calm salmon
long answer: its exceptionally mediocre but by no means bad
calm salmon
uh
no, its just "meh"
in like every single way
but its not, objectively speaking, bad.
fading vale
and you have to pretty specifically build it and pay attention to breakpoints with talents and stuff
bleak ice
"it's exceptionally mediocre" in common parlance means fucking terrible lmao
fading vale
power maul falls more into the what the fuck category
calm salmon
99 unarmored damage
it was dogshit on release
and its only gotten worse with all the HP buffs
6 hits to kill a bruiser
fading vale
Jesus really
calm salmon
4 with skullcrusher
fading vale
that is awful
calm salmon
Now, that's assuming you're already on the light3/light 4 pattern
if you START with 1/2
its only 4
but are you REALLY starting over the attack loop on every single enemy?
I'd hope to god not, unless you've got that shit macroed
but yeah, power maul is far and away the worst melee weapon in darktide
it has literally no contest
fading vale
anyways back to darktide, I do find it annoying that optimal play often involves running away from the shit storms that spawn
calm salmon
its the elf axe of darktide
bleak ice
it has literally no contest
obscurus?
calm salmon
anyways back to darktide, I do find it annoying that optimal play often involves...
is that a freudian slip?
cause that's not the laz I know
No, the power maul is actually worse than the obscurus
fading vale
no I said darktide on purpose
fading vale
to spite the people that complain that we talk about other things
calm salmon
I dunno
gun lugger
Not much running to be had
I just shoot the problems until they go away
fading vale
(I'm talking about helldivers)
bleak ice
to spite the people that complain that we talk about other things
to those people I say
shut up + freedom never sleeps + ➡️⬇️⬆️➡️⬇️
ember yew
bleak ice
add in console people as well
calm salmon
only makes sense for the server to, like the vt2 discord, devolve into gen chat
sinful widget
is the nothing but abyss penance bugged or sth?
bleak ice
And that's like maybe 8k peak
fading vale
is the nothing but abyss penance bugged or sth?
no
calm salmon
(I'm talking about helldivers)
But yeah, you ARE correct. The best way to play helldivers is like you're playing metal gear solid 5.
Stealth everywhere.
Intentionally avoid fights.
bleak ice
About 50% of my lobbies are console players
fading vale
also which penance is that specifically
calm salmon
Run away from problems and kill the ones you physically can't run away from(AT-ST, Bile Titan, Charger, Hunters)
sinful widget
also which penance is that specifically
heal up to 25% hp with holy revenant
the 5s iframe
fading vale
yeah it's not bugged
solar gorge
while I've cleared bots helldive
it's p smooth if u like stealth
fading vale
but who likes stealth
calm salmon
inb4 electronic countermeasures
fading vale
in a game about blowing shit up
calm salmon
so now you can't use your shit because its randomized
solar gorge
but who likes stealth
i like a bit of stealth from time to time
bleak ice
I don't
calm salmon
Like I said, the enemy compositions on high diff hd2 missions are fundamentally fucked in a really bad way.
fading vale
it shouldn't be the optimal play
calm salmon
Which is WHY railgun is the most used weapon stratagem
easy one-shots, not weakpoint dependent otherwise
solar gorge
no, but the game isn't meant for solo
fading vale
it would be fine if enemies didn't cascade so damn quickly with the call ins
solar gorge
bug is only all guns blazing
calm salmon
its 3 vtols per call-in on helldive
or three bug breaches
and those bot drops/breaches can spawn MORE
so you can get a literally never ending train of bot drops/breaches
which is actually infuriating
calm salmon
Brood Commander, Brood Warrior, Warrior, Hunter, Scavenger
Knife and Gun, Jetpack, Rocket Raider*
so at least with bots its only a few enemies
solar gorge
rocket raider shoots flares too
bleak ice
by the time you land on draupnir malevelon INGMAR stealth shouldn't be a thought in your mind
calm salmon
the one bonus about the jetpack guy
he's suicide bombing you and thus too busy to call in
the other two? Well, hope you've got god like flick abilities and insane reaction times
fading vale
me dragging my dominator through aim punch
bleak ice
Warhammer 🤝 Helldivers
commisars being fucking annoying
fading vale
calm salmon
Yeah, that's largely my biggest complaint with bots.
They're designed around weakspots.
But no one at arrowhead has clearly played helldive
something something time is a flat circle
solar gorge
devs said they're gonna do buffs so at least they know
calm salmon
(Cause that's the same complaint we had with damnation way back in the day)
who the fuck thought release dreg stalkers were fun
fading vale
step 1: make the game support 700000 players
solar gorge
they had to focus on that sadly
bleak ice
Dreg stalker?
calm salmon
I can't even be mad at arrowhead for not being ready for the playerbase
bleak ice
Tf is a stalker?
calm salmon
HD1 peaked at 6k players
solar gorge
Dreg stalker?
the guy who shoots you and walk at you at the same time
bleak ice
Oh
bleak ice
I didn't know they had names
solar gorge
they're not stalkers tho
calm salmon
they do 20, 40, 60, 80, or 100 damage, depending on burst length.
bleak ice
I always just called them "fucking annoying guy"
fading vale
nothing was as bad as release shotgunners
solar gorge
stalkers are the guys who close the gap
calm salmon
yeah, release shotgunners were actually aids
here's 1250 toughness damage
we spawn in packs of 5
calm salmon
But yeah, that's really the biggest problem with helldivers 2 bots. Its just release darktide all over again.
You can't aim because you're constantly being aimpunched
everything insta-kills you
solar gorge
that's why you have shield
calm salmon
and the enemies are designed really badly
fading vale
rocket devastator from 90m away perfectly snipes you
calm salmon
if they "fix" armor values by making light armor even squishier
istfg
I will throw my table at a semi-truck
fading vale
I bought the heavy armor with explosive resist for when they fix armor
figured I might as well lean all in to being tanky
calm salmon
I can only imagine how much vehicles are going to trivialize the difficulty though
just sit at "can't get aggroed range"
and clear all the bases on the map
fading vale
I imagine they will have a limited ammo supply
calm salmon
yeah, but even still
fading vale
and long cooldown
calm salmon
if you can take 12 bases down to 5
that makes end-game bots way less cancer to fight
fading vale
I'm down for buffing shotgunners but please not to what they used to be
fading vale
ogryn could tank them
fading vale
thanks to being absolutely fucking broken
calm salmon
uh
no
we focus on vet shout for now
cause that's actually broken
ogryn is just stupid OP
vet shout is outright broken now
god gold toughness is such a stupid fucking mechanic
hey, lets remove chip damage from gold toughness
completely fucks the whole ability up making everyone invulnerable during the shout buff
fading vale
how about lucky hit gumbler
calm salmon
OH YEAH
bullet limiter override rumbler and kickback
it apparently works on everything
lusty turtle
>hey, lets remove chip damage from gold toughness
>completely fucks the whole ...
the chip damage going is a bug
im psure
calm salmon
but rumbler and kickback are the most spectacular choices
lusty turtle
cause currently its making u immune to fire damage even if you get down to 0 toughness
calm salmon
I mean, that's my point.
fading vale
did that happen last patch or something
calm salmon
I think chip damage not working on gold toughness is dumb, but whatever
but the whole skill is outright broken now
because of a seemingly innocuous change
calm salmon
did that happen last patch or something
Yeah, fatshark patched Zealot Cross and Vet Shout to not allow chip damage while gold toughness was up
but instead it just made vet shout make everyone invulnerable, literally, to all ranged fire for the duration of shout's buff
fading vale
nice
speaking of which, does bubble shield prevent all chip damage from a single hit
calm salmon
in hd2?
No
it has SOME shield gating
but it won't protect you from rockets
I've found that out more than once
fading vale
how am I supposed to minmax punching josho when he has a shield
fading vale
oh really
calm salmon
yeah, bugs do the same thing
frozen glen
get one of the orbitals that follow a direct hit and stick it onto his shield
hella funny
calm salmon
you can also set yourself on fire wearing shield
because it doesn't protect the feet
which makes sense
solar gorge
yeah ground fire will catch
calm salmon
gotta make contact with the ground to walk
fading vale
it seemed like I could shoot 1 autocannon shot and then punch him too, didn't kill at least
solar gorge
only ground fire tho
solar gorge
i hope that when they fix armor rating, heaviest of armor will protect you from flinching
would be nice since ur so fucking slow
calm salmon
-
Large rockets penetrate straight through the bubble shield - this means tanks and hulks
-
Cannon blasts will penetrate the shield - this means tanks with the traditional cannon, but laser and tower turrets
fading vale
crab was talking about the armor system and apparently the fix is not a simple thing which is why it's taking a while
inner cargo
What was the blue eviscerator called again?
solar gorge
forget it
calm salmon
mk15
solar gorge
even with the buffs
inner cargo
Is Eviscerator mk15 any good?
calm salmon
yes
fading vale
yes
calm salmon
a topic lazorr and I can agree on
inner cargo
Heard it's like kruber's executioner sword by functionality
calm salmon
hell has frozen over
lusty turtle
Banning you both to save you from yourselves
calm salmon
Heard it's like kruber's executioner sword by functionality
pretty much
fading vale
you spam lights for crowds and heavy for single target
inner cargo
I should try making a build around it
frozen glen
but the 4 cleave dmg cap nooooooooooooooo the cleave cappp nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
calm salmon
literally anything else in the tree
momentum blessing, rampage blessing, flak, maniac
can also go flak/unarmored
or flak/unyielding
depending on what you fight most in melee
south folio
but the 4 cleave dmg cap nooooooooooooooo the cleave cappp noooooooooooooooooooo...
hhgnhgngnhgghnnhnhnhg
inner cargo
For ranged I guess it's AK aye?
calm salmon
uh
revolver, braced autogun, infantry autogun
it doesn't really matter
shotguns
any of the three are good now
frozen glen
agri brauto the space ak
calm salmon
for once zealot has access to guns that are fun to use
instead of just revolver and brauto
lazorr would argue kantrael shotgun before patch 13
but I hated the pre patch 13 kantrael
fading vale
kant shotty was always goated
frozen glen
what was wrong with it
calm salmon
to me?
ammo pool
it was strictly that
and then fatshark gave it another 20 some odd rounds
and made it fun to use
inner cargo
I could get either AK or shotgun tbf
inner cargo
Revolver ain't for me
frozen glen
go away vanners
solar gorge
take the shotgun pill
frozen glen
there is no update
safe tusk
go away vanners
No
inner cargo
revolver is the most overpowered ranged weapon rn
Doesn't mean it feels nice to use
calm salmon
revolver is the most overpowered ranged weapon rn
shuffles kickback under the bed
safe tusk
Revolver not feeling nice
calm salmon
but thankfully that's ogryn specific
safe tusk
fading vale
look we ignore ogryn ok
solar gorge
5?
south folio
there are only 3 classes
calm salmon
revolver is blatantly overpowered
CIAG is uh
reliant on its zero recoil and funny crits
I say crits, but I mean finesse in general
headshots on that thing are dumb
inner cargo
CIAG zero recoil?
calm salmon
look
inner cargo
Am I reading this correctly?
frozen glen
pull down
south folio
crouch and you'll reduce the recoil significantly
inner cargo
I have like 2600 hours in Tarkov
Ah
solar gorge
i hope hd2 can keep me busy until dt's next patch because that fix patch was nice and all but yeah
calm salmon
I unironically used the FAL in 2020 and 2021
south folio
they reworked the IAGs to not have cancer recoil when crouching nowadays
fading vale
I mean it has recoil but it's not enough to matter really
calm salmon
so everything has no recoil to me
frozen glen
pre patch 13 iags oh boy
south folio
pre patch 13 iags oh boy
recoil bdsm
fading vale
crouch to decrease accuracy 
frozen glen
flashbang muzzle flash and parkinsons
calm salmon
I mean it has recoil but it's not enough to matter really
its also not constant, like CS:GO
or uh, CS2 now? I guess
it only goes up so much
then you can wave it around like a magic wand
and all you need to deal with is horizontal recoil
south folio
the negev of darktide
frozen glen
darktide truly is the counterstrike of dark souls
solar gorge
even negev kicks harder than any dt gun
south folio
darktide truly is the counterstrike of dark souls
so true
solar gorge
gun in dt just don't have that bad of a recoil
fading vale
the OG laspistol also needs something.... it's basically a recon las except overpowered and "semi" auto
calm salmon
its a skill thing
darktide is just like "we need recoil to make it feel like you're shooting a gun, but its not a competitive pvp shooter so don't make it aids"
inb4 bolter
But for everything else that remains true
solar gorge
the OG laspistol also needs something.... it's basically a recon las except over...
more like recon needs buffs
fading vale
part of the issue with recons is they are inherently the most boring possible gun you could make
calm salmon
I mean, fatshark really fucked up with recons
tbch
they can't make them close to IAGs
otherwise IAGs are pointless
because recon with adms/finesse of an IAG, but zero recoil is gamebreaking
like, literally zero recoil
solar gorge
part of the issue with recons is they are inherently the most boring possible gu...
doesn't mean they have to be bad, i consider all the bullet shooting weapons in dt to be boring because i'm playing a 40k game
calm salmon
so uh. . . there's no room for recon lasguns without making one or the other completely trash
or
just give recons recoil
and give them the same exact modifiers IAGs have
and just accept that they're not easy to fix and let them be reskins
fading vale
yeah Idk, you somehow have to make them more interesting than point and hold m1
with 0 feedback
solar gorge
they just need to actually kill
calm salmon
but it moves around when you shoot
the other two just. . . pewpepepewpewpewpewpewpewpwe and don't mvoe at all
fading vale
it's the same problem with the old laspistol
I feel absolutely braindead when using it
solar gorge
yeah but it kills
calm salmon
so
for what this is worth
you CAN get the recon lasguns up to an acceptable level on veteran
if you have an aimbot
and never drop stacks of the marksman focus keystone
if you can do that, they're fine.
fading vale
I think recons are the only thing crab wants to be deleted lol
calm salmon
if you cheat gun is good
I mean, its a fundamental flaw with the gun.
They have dogshit damage on literally everything.
Piss levels of finesse bonuses, but the only way to eek advantage out of them IS through headshots.
But reliably hitting headshots on thousands of enemies in a match is near impossible
especially in the chaotic mess that is auric/maelstrom
solar gorge
yeah but any dogshit weapon would be good with cheats
calm salmon
and not JUST hitting headshots, but reliably killing them
No, I mean that's my point lambda - you need to move mountains to make the recon lasguns good
the numbers CAN get there, but the barrier to entry is unreasonably hard
calm salmon
Yeah, which was my point earlier about the IAGs
if the recons get anywhere near that level of performance while retaining their current recoil mechanics?
💤
and if they get nerfed recoil, they're JUST reskinned iags
there's uh. . . no good ground for them to stand on in darktide
so I don't blame Crab for just wanting them to be nuked
fading vale
yeah I think his thought aligns with that, like what do you do with them in an interesting way
solar gorge
idk make them horde clear guns, that pen multiple targets
calm salmon
and make the recon lasguns into clones of the current IAGs
the fact that we even have hard bullet guns in a 40k game is fucking stupid
and the fact that they patently outperform every instance of their written counterparts on top is super dumb
solar gorge
the fact that we even have hard bullet guns in a 40k game is fucking stupid
some is fine but we have so many
they went overboard with those lmao
calm salmon
"this isn't cod"
fading vale
we did not need 9 marks of autoguns
lusty turtle
the fact that we even have hard bullet guns in a 40k game is fucking stupid
autoguns are a pretty big part of the setting tbf
calm salmon
okay, that tracks. This shit will rip a man in half
solar gorge
i love las i want it everywhere
lusty turtle
but ye accas are a pain in the ass
calm salmon
autoguns are a pretty big part of the setting tbf
yeah, for like. . . hive gangers
not an inquisitorial crew
rejects or not
solar gorge
(at the start)
calm salmon
yeah but lasguns are pumped out by the literal trillions
and every single guardsmen everywhere has one
of one form or another
sacred jay
I do like autoguns in 40k setting
calm salmon
all the hard ammo stuff is kept to like. . . speciality ammo for arbites, bolters, ogryn shit
and artillery
sacred jay
Shows how arcaic humanitys technology around places still is
calm salmon
all the hard ammo stuff is kept to like. . . speciality ammo for arbites, bolter...
and whatever crackhead shit a hive gang cooks up illegally using manufactories
fading vale
I'm still sad I bought necromunda
solar gorge
L
calm salmon
I've heard that game is a big meh
delicate shadow
I'm now also sad you bought necromunda
calm salmon
5/10, 7 with rice
fading vale
the combat is just so.... not good
calm salmon
I'm now also sad you bought necromunda
hi incan
delicate shadow
heya puri
solar gorge
the game is jank central
and not good jank
like stalker which is a refined stinky ass cheese
calm salmon
here's to hoping space marine 2 is goated