#zealot-class

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royal vortex
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if u start casting at like 50% peril at max scriers ramp up u will just die

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lmao

coarse birch
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yeah thats the one downside lol

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you will get that

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but you get so much damage its w/e

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esp with dd

ripe quest
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Is the ramp up stack based? I was under the assumption it was an exponential based on time spent in the ult

coarse birch
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im p sure its time based

frozen glen
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yes

royal vortex
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if u suicide at the wrong time in the cast anim it just cancels the void ball

coarse birch
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incoming "the game rolled back my quell/swap and blew me up"

royal vortex
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its not my fault the ai director has a hit out on me

sharp zodiac
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Yes it is

coarse birch
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think of it as an honor

royal vortex
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im just like Him (tinyangrycrab)

coarse birch
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that is the greatest honor

fleet zealot
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I press F, F doesnt got off in 5 seconds, okay, i press F and nothing happens still, start spamming F, suddenly i use both charges

royal vortex
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the ult noise is made

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the ult is not spent

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i am confused

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i am dead

south folio
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the game letting you spend two charges of chastise in an instant is quite devious

royal vortex
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fkin swedish immigrants stealing my dodges

fleet zealot
sharp zodiac
coarse birch
fleet zealot
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This conversation suddenly

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But it is funny

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Pretty sure reliably

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If i press F when my ability is 5 seconds of cd left

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It will use it in 5 seconds

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For some reason

coarse birch
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most insane input buffer

sharp zodiac
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Rollback netcode moment

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(I have no knowledge of the meaning I just say it for the sake of it)

ripe quest
fleet zealot
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When it works it works great but it breaks down so easily

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Enemy position desync is likely cause by too many variables each server tick that may even have coinflip decision

ripe quest
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Totally biased but they should actually sit down one day and take a look at the networking side of the code. There are some things that I can kinda get but like, it gets so bad there's gotta be some decent improvements available.

fleet zealot
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Idk why active abilities que as badly as they do

fleet zealot
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Basically at the base there is just some serious issues that would require a massive go through to improve on

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Like the core engine server communication

ripe quest
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Like I get that enemies are complex n whatnot but I can play other horde games on my currently Shit™️ internet and it's perfectly A-Ok, but I touch a tide game and it's genuinely unplayable.

fleet zealot
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Would basically have to be rebuilt from the ground up cause they built on pre existing old code

ripe quest
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I'd honestly be down to wait a long period of time for an update like that. If they are forward with comms about it it'd be a great change for the game.

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Though they could just, be better with comms in general and stuff would be better for them.

royal vortex
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or was

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a big problem he had was getting concrete evidence of stuff that isnt just him sounding like hes crazy

ripe quest
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I cannot imagine he'd be hacking at the netcode problems during playtests

royal vortex
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if u have seen the fkin ghosts this man fights every match u would understand

ripe quest
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I do understand bro that's my current state of gameplay

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I'm fighting screenshots of enemies from 5 seconds ago constantly I just have to guess whether or not my inputs equal a successful kill on something

royal vortex
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😔

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theres some interesting stuff going on with the netcode in this game

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all i remember is not understanding a lot of it when crab explained it to me

coarse birch
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network shit is wack

royal vortex
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what i know is

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i have been killed in increasingly complex ways by a dodge being undone by the netcode

coarse birch
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i wish i was smart enough to tell you about why that is despite having taken a networking class but i am not

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(granted game netcode and networkling are 2 different things)

royal vortex
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its ok im too stupid to understand anyways

fleet zealot
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I think first thing

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They need to hire an editor/reviewer

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For their code

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Or hire another one

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That works in tandem or as a 2nd check

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Someone who just checks for typos and easy to spot/easy to make errors

spiral anvil
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I'm pretty sure the server is authoritative on health states but hitreg should be client side, I think they also made hounds client sided

quaint verge
ripe quest
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Depends on what you mean by client side

delicate shadow
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tide games tend to have wonky interactions between host and client for whatever reason

spiral anvil
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What ever you shoot has to be sent over to the server, the server has to decide it dies or not, then it comes back to you

delicate shadow
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VT2 has had so many client side only bugs that range from screwing players over to actually making them stronger (usually the former)

pliant palm
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How much screwing we talking about

fleet zealot
delicate shadow
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DT at least sidesteps some of it to a degree in that you don't have host players having a different experience

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all players are now clients and deal with the same shit DrillW

fleet zealot
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Apparently im in one of the worst places to play vt2 at cause i cant join a hosted game and if i host a game everyone else lags and dcs

delicate shadow
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which is the most recent one that got fixed

fleet zealot
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If i join a hosted game in vt2 absolute coinflip if it will be playable

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Then flip the coin again

delicate shadow
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otherwise clientside blocking is delayed compared to blocking on host and that makes shit like parry mechanics only really tennable on host

fleet zealot
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If i dont suddenly dc partway through the match

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God i wish i had a better time with vt2

pliant palm
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Huh

fleet zealot
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Part of me knows it is just extremely unlucky but damn

pliant palm
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Sounds awful

spiral anvil
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Server browser, but that doesn't solve anything but just tell you how bad the experience is going to be KEKW_ogryn

fleet zealot
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Literally i think the last big chaos wastes run i did, joined as 4th, played from the start to end, got told “fuck elves” and vote kicked right before the final part of the finale

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And that just

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Soured my game experience instantly

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I literally didnt even do the elf things besides constantly sniping specials/elites

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I sticked with team and even got some aura boosting goodies

delicate shadow
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I spent most of my 6k hours in vt2 playing at anywhere from 250 to 380 ping

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my peak was 480 and it was like entering the twilight zone

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350 ping verm is surprisingly playable if it's stable connection

little thicket
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I play with max fov to trick my mind into thinking the maps are bigger then they arez

vast radish
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i decided to try zealot again, i can't believe i stopped playing this class. been doing fire in heresy content

little thicket
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Characters move too damn slowly in vermintide

south folio
delicate shadow
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moving between games is just...so different

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hell even moving between VT1 and 2 is a significant change

delicate shadow
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I'm not the best Vt2 player in the world by any stretch but I can very much rest easy on knowing very few people could do what I did on that ping KEKW_ogryn

stable cypress
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I'm kinda sad bounty hunter ult got fixed

south folio
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OCE players built diff

delicate shadow
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now I'm a dirty NA player pensivecowboy

south folio
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yeah there is certainly some confidence to be deserved from doing well on that much ping

delicate shadow
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it's like the one redeeming quality of the class and now it's gone

north sedge
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what did they do to it

sharp zodiac
royal vortex
sharp zodiac
delicate shadow
# north sedge what did they do to it

you used to be able to chain ults if you landed headshots because of an interaction where the headshot cooldown talent would proc twice giving full reset

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but it was like, the literal only thing the class has going for it and it was just fuckin' cool and fun

north sedge
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Ah

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That

royal vortex
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simply play darktide which has 0 bugs 🙂

delicate shadow
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you had to hit all headshots to make it happen anyway so it's not like it was free and the class isn't popular by any means

north sedge
royal vortex
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many do until i bring an arc thrower, hit a teammate to 10% hp, and then pull the trigger again for some reason

north sedge
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You had to be sure

royal vortex
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sen was a casualty of war pensivebread

south folio
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did you teamkill another person with a gun

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besides stan, who has teamkilled the most

coarse birch
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it sounds like josho does this often

royal vortex
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i did

coarse birch
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only according to dough though

royal vortex
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the arc thrower is dangerous

south folio
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why would the arc thrower do this to josho

north sedge
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Josho dick Cheney'd me once

royal vortex
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mittins has in turn assaulted me with it

coarse birch
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i have not heard others complain about it although idk if i know the people yall play with

north sedge
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Then shot me in his bloodlust for mittins

royal vortex
stable cypress
royal vortex
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i punched a 380mm he out of laz's hands

north sedge
royal vortex
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lmfao

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"how can someone so intelligent exist within someone so stupid" -anonymous

ripe quest
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He was a lower level because if that guy was level 30+ I'd just TK him and not respawn him

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It's also amazing to me how many people sit still when they're calling in stratagems

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like, they're being chased and they cannot call in stuff

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absurd

royal vortex
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the 380 is really good psychological damage unfortunately it only works on helldivers

frozen glen
ripe quest
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they should just make it like, heavily prioritize clusters of enemies instead of being actually random

frozen glen
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nah it should prioritize structures

ripe quest
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60% chance it targets clumps, 30% chance it targets Helldivers, 10% it's random.

ripe quest
frozen glen
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nah

ripe quest
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it's radius covers nests and bases pretty well

frozen glen
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laser

royal vortex
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we need a Steve stratagem

north sedge
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Stevegem

coarse birch
zealous basin
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we need a stan stratagem

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just tactically launch stan at them like hes not kitted or juiced or anything its just stan

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stanagem if you will

north sedge
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We've done this it's mostly him screaming running around

zealous basin
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thats exactly the idea yeah

quaint verge
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And he leaves ssd's half a click away

inner cargo
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Question, what's the name of blue eviscerator?

tropic harbor
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Herbert E Viscerator, MD

quaint verge
placid fiber
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So, what have I missed while getting myself addicted to one of the worst modes in Tom Clancy's Division 2... which is Descent... >.>

blissful tendon
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salvageable or bricked

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placid fiber
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I mean it would be salvageable for someone like me

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I like having hit and run on a brauto, and I probably would like it on that gun too

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As far as the blessings/perks went, anyway

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I'm not sure how important stability is on the infantry autogun

sturdy owl
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Stability is pretty important

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Replace unyielding with flak

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And one of the blessings with dumdum

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And you're good to go

placid fiber
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My first match back in a while went pretty well. I brought my marty rashad which probably helped pick up the slack from my end. This was normal intensity damnation. >.>

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I only joined... like 3-5 minutes into the run

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Having attack speed on a combat axe feels so good

fair igloo
placid fiber
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So, what do you think of my new wound curio for my 2nd zealot? :3

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Jeeze, 172 toughness feels like a lot for a marty build lol

drowsy steppe
lusty turtle
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@coarse birch @south folio which taxe is worth a mess about with

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My assumption would be the 2?]

still quartz
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Probably not a great Exotic but it's something

placid fiber
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But if you want I can do some descent with you, I would like some willing company :3

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I already have all of my bonus stats maxed out, the 4th talent option, the 1 random talent at the start of every run, and iirc 3/5 of the bonus descent money upgrades for descent :/

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It probably helps that I learned how to take care of hard rooms from the start of the run...

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I just end up doing run after run after run... even when the rng is shitting on me constantly...

placid fiber
sturdy owl
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has the best cleave values on lights too

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2 can be built like a rashad but it's even more demanding to craft and is just worse overall

fading vale
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pretty sure you can build one to utilize BM and hit most BPs on fodder, think exhil was saying the 2 regarding that

lusty turtle
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ye im pretty sure it was the 2

sturdy owl
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You can hit heavy bp's on bruisers with the 2 heavies but

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It's literally just worse rashad in every way, and the others have bad heavies for brutal

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And the lights can't hit bruiser BP's I'm pretty sure

lusty turtle
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worse rashad other than not needing tree investment so it works nicely for MF vet

fading vale
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I mean what's not a worse Rashad

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almost anything lol

sturdy owl
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I mean you have to build it exactly like a rashad, except the flak is mandatory

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And it's more particular about stats, not less

fading vale
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not sure what the marty BPs are either

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I know for a while we said you needed to run marty on taxe

sturdy owl
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Can reach the 2 bruiser cleave breakpoint with headtaker stacks

still quartz
zealous basin
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dam i love avocado

fading vale
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would you like it with a fox

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would you like it in a box

zealous basin
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yeah

fading vale
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what are you eating it on

zealous basin
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via guac

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via burrito

fading vale
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ah

zealous basin
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but now i just want like some fuckin sliced avo man

fading vale
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I wonder if there are any weirdos that eat avocados like apples

zealous basin
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i'd do it if there were any way to avoid the seasoning ratio from being completely fucked

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frickin love avocado

fading vale
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I had some avocado toast recently

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it was pretty good to my surprise

zealous basin
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how is that a surprise duh its good

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i eat that shit most mornings

fading vale
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I figured it would be just fine

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but it was good

zealous basin
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gamer food

fading vale
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man be like I eat avocado toast every morning for the hangover

ivory marlin
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Flip

zealous basin
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damn its stupid

ivory marlin
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She is stupid

zealous basin
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i have a spotted gecko once

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her name was ||spot||

ivory marlin
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Wow

zealous basin
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idk bro i was like 6

ivory marlin
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I had 2 leopard geckos

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But my ex stole one

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So i just have her now

zealous basin
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what the

ivory marlin
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Long story

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You’ll never guess her name tho

zealous basin
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spot

ivory marlin
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No

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Close tho

zealous basin
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||leopard||

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dot?

ivory marlin
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There is an “o” and it is 4 letters

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Flip has given up

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Its Echo

placid fiber
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That or I get side tracked from an object I am after, by wanting to loot goblin all of the weapon/armor chests >.>

nimble fiber
hushed knoll
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Daily reminder that stickbugs can’t dance

drowsy steppe
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Yes they can

solar gorge
lusty turtle
lusty turtle
drowsy steppe
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I was exposed to another Stan mistyped monstrosity

lusty turtle
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thats one hell of a typo

drowsy steppe
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The horror

lusty turtle
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we should destroy stan 😤

frosty herald
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Black tar iran is crazy

hushed knoll
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STICK BUGS CANT DANCE

hushed knoll
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Mods

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Anne him

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Ban

frosty herald
lusty turtle
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Why does stan do this to me

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Does he hate me?

frank night
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you are powerless against stan

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you aren't a small body of water

drowsy steppe
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Anne him Ban

coarse birch
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I do enjoy the 4 a lot as well although i dont think it can practically make use of BM to my knowledge, and the h2 can be a little awkward to hit heads with which is a little unfortunate as it seems designed for single target, as well as the push staggering out of range of the PA sometimes which is also unfortunate because the PA is essentially another heavy

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The 7 also has some good stuff going for it with the PA and BM but ive never used it personally

nimble fiber
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look at the little guy dance

frosty herald
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He schmoving

stable cypress
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7's biggest problem (besides just being a taxe) is wonky hitbox on l2 so it whiffs a lot more than it should which can break shred/deci pretty easily

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so you kinda gotta go headtaker/bm on it

desert bough
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Tis be father victor. I took the device from the brute, since i have a question. How in the hel are we supposed to cut throught the hordes? I keep sayin me prayers but, i dinnae it just doesnt cut thougth all the way. What should i be lookin for?

obtuse stirrup
desert bough
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I be using the tigrus MK-XV

obtuse stirrup
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Flamer even

obtuse stirrup
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Savage Sweep maybe?

desert bough
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Bah i still need more info kindred.

obtuse stirrup
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I wanna know too, Chain weapons look fun as hell

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But I have never seriously used one

desert bough
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They are quite fun. Charging a group of foul degenerates with a tigrus in me hands make me feel blessed by the emperor

ember yew
# desert bough I be using the tigrus MK-XV

For MK15 get
Perks:
Flak damage
Maniac damage

Blessing:
Rampage III - IV (mandatory)
and the second blessing can be:
Shred (more damage/cleave damage with criticals) or Momentum (insane sustain) or - Savage Sweep (if you really want to cleave better, but that weapon already got great cleave)

vast basin
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Bloodthirsty can also be a good option for crusher chain one-hits

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Also Crits don't increase cleave, just damage

coarse birch
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I actually dont run maniac on mk15 but its not a bad perk

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Depends on what you value

cursive viper
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didn't know they made autoguns entirely out of lead

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obtuse stirrup
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Is it the IV that needs the Cleave blessing?

ember yew
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he want horde shred, no point going carapace without bt

obtuse stirrup
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Or assault chainswords?

coarse birch
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If your not running bloodthirsty dont cara tho ye

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Imo at least

ember yew
coarse birch
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Uh both chords take a cleave blessing

ember yew
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wrath preferable due to high aspd

coarse birch
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Wrath is esp nice on mk13 cause you just light which is very quick to chain

brave summit
hushed knoll
frank night
cursive viper
coarse birch
hushed knoll
frank night
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he has done this to me

coarse birch
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Thats not motts 😭

hushed knoll
frank night
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i return to MOTTS

coarse birch
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Why are you asking "do you like the way the blood makes you feel"

hushed knoll
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I wrote Motts on purpose cuz it’s easier to write than mixed gang

coarse birch
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I do not know how to respond

hushed knoll
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Mittins

coarse birch
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Are you mixed gang now too

hushed knoll
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Not mixed gang

coarse birch
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Mittins has been murdered

hushed knoll
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I can’t wait to suck the salt off hard pretzels today

nimble fiber
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stop

hushed knoll
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@nimble fiber stickbugs can’t dance

hushed knoll
coarse birch
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Is it like planned

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Do you plan out your salt sucking

nimble fiber
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this is very unfreundlich of you stan

coarse birch
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Stan really dropped the salt thing and then left

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Classic stan

nimble fiber
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stan a menace for that

hushed knoll
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12pm daily

nimble fiber
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are my and your 12 pm different stan?

hushed knoll
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What

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I’m in EST

coarse birch
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Can you even suck the salt off hard pretzels

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They are like baked in

void bison
coarse birch
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Just eat the pretzel 😭

north sedge
desert bough
void bison
rain steppe
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Although not perfectly optimal I think self made builds are way better even if their somewhat flawed in a way

desert bough
rain steppe
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Fair but my cuzstom builds always feel much better more refined for my playstyle

desert bough
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They do

rain steppe
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I don't understand the need for perfect spec weapons tho

fading vale
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for the largest possible bonk

obtuse stirrup
frank night
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if I dont take field improv i get the hose

obtuse stirrup
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If it's the difference between a oneshot on a Crusher or a twoshot

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That can be pretty big

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If it's the difference between 5 or 6 autogun bullets

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Eh

fading vale
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I mean it's not like we have anything else to grind for

rain steppe
obtuse stirrup
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Like it cannot damage more than 4 per swing

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If you try to juice more cleave onto it then you don't get anything, or something

rain steppe
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Does it? I have 60%cleave and a plus 140% after hitting 3 enemies

obtuse stirrup
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But idk chain weapons too well

desert bough
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No need perfect. Need good enuff

rain steppe
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It definitely feels like it does better

obtuse stirrup
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Might be you get wider stagger from it with your cleave?

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That's still a benefit I guess

rain steppe
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Potentially I think I have some impact skills that might proc along with the cleave?

vast basin
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Yeah the mk15 has a hard damage cap of 4 enemies, but you can still push around the other enemies

obtuse stirrup
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I hate this cryptic stuff though tbh

vast basin
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And savage sweep will allow it to hit 3 ragers at once

obtuse stirrup
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I wish it told you this shit in the game itself

rain steppe
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So the extra 140% cleave is useless?

obtuse stirrup
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Like "this stat is actually garbage that does nothing and only exists to dilute your rolls"

rain steppe
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That seems kinda dumb

fading vale
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cleave only scales the amount of hitmass you can cleave

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it does not effect cleave damage or the damage curve

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most people don't take more cleave on the new evis cause with rampage you have 14 or 15 cleave on lights anyways

coarse birch
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It still gives you extra stagger/cdr for each enemy cleaved

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But ye your better off with shred for that imo

fleet zealot
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heavy sword and mk15 evi, yes

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on chswords, dclaws, and evi, it's good

rain steppe
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I don't think I'm understanding so cleave stops at 4 enemies for the mk 15 so it only hits 4 at a time?

fading vale
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no

fleet zealot
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it can only damage 4

fading vale
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it only damages 4

coarse birch
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You cleave like 11 iirc

fleet zealot
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funnily enough, the best cleave blessing on mk15 is bad on every other weapon, perfect strike

coarse birch
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You damage 4

fading vale
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the hitmass cleave on a light is 11 I think

coarse birch
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Past 4 you just stagger

fleet zealot
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since perfect strike lets you do silly things like swing lights into crushers and mauler helmets

coarse birch
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Yeah im p sure its 11

coarse birch
fading vale
fleet zealot
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just go shred rampage

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on mk15, seems to be the most consistent to me

rain steppe
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I think I prefer the extra cleave it's done me well so far

fleet zealot
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you could go bloodthirsty i guess

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it isn't doing you well, you are just under placebo effect

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(if you are using mk15)

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idk half my brain is still in bed

obtuse stirrup
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You're basically just enjoying the base XV

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That was my point

rain steppe
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I tried a different mk 15 and I struggled much more

fleet zealot
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likely because of something else

fading vale
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I mean it's not terrible to have more cleave, you cleave more bruisers ragers and maulers

fleet zealot
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rampage alone gives you 36% cleave (cause the tooltip is wrong it gives power, not damage) which is plenty for the mk15

fading vale
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so it's safer

coarse birch
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Yeah ss keeps you very safe

rain steppe
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I mean I guess having an additional 140% cleave may be pointless

coarse birch
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And gets you cdr

fading vale
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remember when the only way to get more cleave on hammer was shock and awe

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dark times

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and the heavies had a max cleave of 8

fleet zealot
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you don't get shot while sprinting at an angle while above 0 stamina, baseline for all human sized classes

coarse birch
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Couldnt you not even use shock and awe cause the special took 8 minutes to finish

vast basin
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Swift certainty is probably the most misunderstood talent in this game

fleet zealot
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swift certainty just makes this avoidance mechanic work at 0 stamina

fading vale
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days since this tooltip has misled someone - 0

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there is a pin showing it I think

fleet zealot
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it needs to not use the term dodging

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and that would solve 90% of misunderstandings

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if they gave a term to automatic avoidance of ranged fire that you can get from certain blessings/talents instead of reusing the term dodge which is already it's own mechanic

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no

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have to be at an angle

quiet turret
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Would any zealots here be interested in attempting a full lvl 1 team auric maelstrom? We got 3 ppl already and we need a shouty

coarse birch
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Use twbs for that

fleet zealot
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you can angle it so you can get closer

fading vale
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there is a skill for that, TWBS

coarse birch
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Swift is for running at an angle vs gunners even at 0 stam

rain steppe
coarse birch
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Which is still nice

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Bad tooltip

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Works on ranged too

fading vale
#

it's been mislabeled since Oct 2022

fleet zealot
#

or sliding, or chastising

fading vale
#

it works on ranged

fleet zealot
#

twbs works on ranged

rain steppe
shy river
#

Stripped down blessing on auto guns allows you to run directly into fire without taking damage but that's the only way, normal sprint has to be at an angle

fading vale
#

use TWBS and never look back, more fun way to play zealot by far

vast basin
#

Yeah I don't have a zealot build which doesn't have twbs

obtuse stirrup
fading vale
#

the way I see it is stagger mechanics mostly just piss me off in this game especially on slower weapons, and TWBS makes me have way more fun

vast basin
#

It was dark days when I had to choose between HR and twbs

fleet zealot
#

fury shouldnt be getting cut short

fading vale
#

honestly new HR is pretty great, I never would have taken it against TWBS before, granted I don't take it atm

fleet zealot
#

new HR is so much more balanced

fading vale
#

it was super busted on stuff like caxe before with 100% healing

fleet zealot
#

TWBS vs HR was basically zealot chat blood vs crips

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and no i'm not elaborating

fading vale
#

and now it also synergizes with marty at least

fading vale
#

75% crit TDR days pepedead

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50% is still silly though

stable cypress
fleet zealot
#

i love new surge staff dont get me wrong

#

but it sucks ass compared to every other option

fading vale
#

I mean the void and trauma are clearly head and shoulders above the rest

#

and then you have the derpys of the world

#

that shout about pre patch surge for a whole year

stable cypress
#

Here we go lmao

fleet zealot
#

ugh pre patch surge

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was the worst

#

created such bad habits

#

at least smite actually crowd controls now

vast basin
#

I would say recently purge has become a better option with the BR changes recently, and surge atleast has its place in scab melee only maelstrom

fleet zealot
#

old surge only had one damage use case, and that was vs scab shooters and stalkers in ranged only scab maelstroms

fading vale
#

smite is what surge wanted to be and it's still bad

#

I mean purg is solid

#

it just doesn't insta delete everything and depends on your team comp

obtuse stirrup
fleet zealot
#

imagine if they didn't remove the rending purge blessing that was in the games code for a while

obtuse stirrup
#

Try "are guns a valid psyker weapon"

fleet zealot
#

or i mean, implemented it, at all

#

that would make purge so viable

fading vale
#

I wish psykers didn't have guns and had more space magic but alas they do have guns

fleet zealot
fading vale
#

or I wish the guns had space magic

vocal pulsar
#

Purga already viable

fleet zealot
#

laspistol uses space magic

misty nova
#

And it's funny to see a gun psyker

fleet zealot
#

it has a special shove

fading vale
#

wow

misty nova
#

Yup

fading vale
#

amazing

obtuse stirrup
#

See what I mean :D

fleet zealot
#

duelist sword should have the rapier vt2 special action

#

except it's a finger gun

#

shooting a magic bolt

#

would make it 10/10 s +++ tier

obtuse stirrup
#

Heavy Weapons Guy taunt

#

POW! HA HA

fading vale
#

why is the laspistol of all things the only unique psyker interaction on a gun

fleet zealot
#

my theory

#

is that they simply never had time to work on it further

#

they got one done, and then the rest just got pushed aside for the rush to get the skeleton in place for launch

fading vale
#

lemme shoot fancy empowered bullets or something if you are gonna make the majority of the classes weapons guns

fleet zealot
#

psyker and ogryn were very underdeveloped at launch

fading vale
#

ogryn is severely mentally underdeveloped especially since patch Sitgryn

misty nova
fading vale
#

that's cool and all but the point is for a class with magic and guns they have 0 unique interactions outside of a shove on 1 gun

shell totem
vast basin
#

Remember when psykers would just randomly blow up when using the surge staff for no reason? Good times

fading vale
shell totem
#

ah I didnt know that

visual blade
#

my brain sees hammer and goes "yes that's the aoe weapon. this shall deal with masses of enemies." and then it's the literal assassin weapon, only capable of dealing with singular threats massively well

obtuse stirrup
#

nope

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it's the fucking sweep

fading vale
#

I'd say hammer crowd performance is pretty acceptable now

upbeat torrent
#

any zealot brave and strong enough to get into damnation mealstrom as a lvl 1 character and clear some heresy on atoma ?

fleet zealot
visual blade
#

like, if we're talking actual crowd control where you push around crowds and deal with them eventually, hammer is king. but if you want to deal with crowds asap, it's best to kill them asap, which the hammer isn't as good at

upbeat torrent
vast basin
#

Have you tried the lfg kejetok?

coarse birch
#

Yeah zealot hammer has good cc

fading vale
#

hammer kills crowds way better than before

#

and they doubled it's cleave

fleet zealot
#

honestly, I'm shocked they didn't give lucky bullet to psyker

#

and give something else to gunlugger

fading vale
#

it's no caxe or hsword but it gets the job done

visual blade
fleet zealot
#

slaught or headtaker secondary blessing gives crucis an okay clear time

coarse birch
#

Tbf it probably shouldn't be that level

fading vale
#

well chainsword has the best crowd clear in the game actually

#

people just be sleeping on it

misty nova
#

Mk15 my beloved

coarse birch
#

Hsword is also not something that weapons should be brought up to

fading vale
#

no I mean the old 1h chainsword

visual blade
#

bricked

image.png
fading vale
#

has the fastest clear time of any weapon

coarse birch
#

Both actually

#

Mk13 is also very good

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And its just light spam

fading vale
#

never see anyone talk about that one

coarse birch
#

I think it has only slightly lower than mk4 clear time

visual blade
#

hadron seems to like bricking my weapons today so i think i'm not playing anymore

fading vale
#

I mean that's not bricked yet

#

and you could get by with unyielding

coarse birch
#

Yeah honestly second perk being unyielding is fine

#

The big perk is just flak

#

Everything else gets murdered anyway

fading vale
#

I imagine maniac is less important since the rager nerf

coarse birch
#

Yeah maniac helps get deathblow without chastise

#

And kill mutants a bit more cleanly

#

But its hsword so

frozen glen
#

i swore off the hsword when i killed laz with one

#

never been the same since

frosty herald
#

we should rename maniac to freaky cause those ragers are hella freaky and suck on toes

coarse birch
#

Hsword ill use occasionally

#

Caxe i swore off

#

Bm caxe at least

fading vale
#

I reserve non zealot for using bullshit

nimble fiber
coarse birch
#

I started worrying less about not using good stuff cause its so hard to avoid

#

But ive stopped running ds4 and blazing trauma/void mostly

frozen glen
#

with assail

coarse birch
#

Sometimes ill use void if i really wanna turn my brain off

#

Yeah assail is my cheat lol

fading vale
#

DS4 void/trauma with assail is so astoundingly busted

coarse birch
#

Assail i just enjoy enough and i dont really need BB

nimble fiber
#

still trying to build a good trauma, cause I never really played it

coarse birch
#

But its very dumb

viral hare
#

blaze trauma and surge void are primo brain off fun

frozen glen
#

plasma vet bm caxe zealot kickback ogryn and ds4 void psyker on malice

#

we gaming

fading vale
#

trauma is one of those that just got stronger and stronger as the enemy density increased

coarse birch
#

Plasma too

fading vale
#

cause the whole infinite cleave thing

coarse birch
#

I cant use that

#

We love infinite cleave and stagger

frosty herald
#

i enjoy assail with scriers gaze greatly as a passive ranged psyker playstyle

viral hare
#

then its not even close

nimble fiber
#

I still enjoy the gunker playstyle without the gun because im crazy

fading vale
#

idk I played a game with crab and he followed me around with void and I could not get any kills lol

coarse birch
#

Void is unreal

fading vale
#

IIRC he had at least double my damage

coarse birch
#

Im a psyker main and i kinda hate how dumb some of psykers shit is

viral hare
#

psyker high key has the most op shit in the game

coarse birch
#

At least uncanny assail got killed

fading vale
#

remember the crab clip of him exploding and killing like 8+ elites after death cause of soulblaze

coarse birch
#

Nah i think ogyrn has the most

#

Psyker is close tho

fading vale
#

ogryn is the most freely braindead 0 effort OP

coarse birch
#

You actually cant avoid it with ogryn

north sedge
frosty herald
#

my ogryn gameplay was 90% holding m1 with the brute brain shovel

fading vale
#

remember powersword

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nimble fiber
#

remember reach

coarse birch
#

Power sword was comedically dumb

#

Still is

#

Vet mains are still mad

fading vale
viral hare
#

out of the loop whats up with the power sword

fading vale
#

the screenshot I posted was when they originally nerfed the more or less infinite swing psword

coarse birch
#

With infinite cleave

frosty herald
#

power cycler was reduced to 3 activations from 5

fading vale
#

you could do like 7 special heavies with infinite cleave

coarse birch
#

It got nerfed and now vet mains say they have shit melee

fading vale
#

and people lost their mind when it was nerfed

north sedge
#

and they reacted with poise and grace (lol review bomb)

fading vale
#

I imagine there were also a few flamer users with negative reviews

coarse birch
#

Legend has it they are still waiting for power cycler 5

fading vale
#

even though THE FLAMER WAS HARDLY EVER NERFED AT ALL AND IS STILL AMAZING

viral hare
#

did they ever revert the nerfs or is it how it is now

frosty herald
#

imo

#

remove powercycler and give powerswords base 2 activations

fading vale
#

they did not revert the nerfs

frosty herald
#

it works really well with the new activation mechanic

fading vale
#

but psword definitely got more cracked

viral hare
#

how so

fading vale
#

like the ps6 push attack is just bonkers

#

2 shot crushers

viral hare
#

prob levelling my vet next so good to know this stuffs

frosty herald
sacred jay
#

Psword is ridiculously safe. No need to think how it fits in build

fading vale
#

meanwhile I'm out here depressed about everyone else 1 or 2 shotting crushers with my hammer in tow

#

psyker be like what if I had a hammer but it was a pointy stick

viral hare
#

thats what im sayinnn

#

hammer feels underwhelming

fading vale
#

it's still pretty good there's just been a lot of power creep

#

and you have to try waaaaay harder on hammer versus many other weapons

viral hare
#

in other news i just rolled this

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sacred jay
#

Is stealth th 1 hitting monsters still a thing?

frosty herald
#

pret sure

fading vale
#

yes but I think it's hard to do on plogryn without other buffs

frosty herald
#

chaos spawn backshots go crazy

viral hare
fading vale
#

what melee do you use

viral hare
#

all of them

sacred jay
#

I love my current thunder hammer build, one tapping mutants is hilarious

viral hare
#

i never used boltgun wouldnt know what to use with it

misty nova
fading vale
#

then they made a bunch of weapons 1 shot them

#

uh bolter perks I would say probably just pick whatever you want to shoot, since you have shattering you might as well lean into carapace

fleet zealot
#

boltgun works best with weapons that can't crack armor on their own

viral hare
#

making mk3 knife one shot muties on using stealth is the most satisfying thing ive experienced on zealot

fading vale
#

though I would say cavalcade is better than shattering now

sacred jay
#

I like having bolter when i use melee with bad armour pen

#

Just magdumping crushers and maulers

fading vale
#

chastise just kind of invalidates the requirement of using an armor pen gun

#

granted they didn't put armor pen guns into the game outside of zarona and bolter...

viral hare
#

i have an issue with using zarona on every single zealot build i have

fading vale
#

it's fun but I got tired of how OP the zarona is

viral hare
#

i want to use other things but i feel like im just handicapping myself

fading vale
#

I have way more fun with shotguns, kant or lawbringer

#

revolver I might bring if I'm planning to hard carry pubs I guess

sacred jay
#

I only use zarona when it fits the theme of my build

fading vale
#

that or when I want to kill steal josho

#

flamer is for scab melee only

sacred jay
#

I hate the kill x number contracts

fading vale
#

your teams kills count

viral hare
ripe quest
#

There's no way FS would expect you to steal 1k dreg or scab kills lol

#

it's teamwide, all of them are

#

except complete missions ig, you don't get like 4x the progress

fleet zealot
#

hadron makes me wanna end myself

image.png
#

jfc

#

i'll change the crit chance to a 25% perk

#

after a few rounds

#

but the i replaced wrath 3 with the rampage

ripe quest
fleet zealot
#

and sprint efficiency with the crit chance

fleet zealot
lusty turtle
#

darcy's strongest soldiers

viral hare
#

i mean

fleet zealot
#

cuase i wanted to gamble

#

im an addict

viral hare
#

its not horrible

#

not great by any means

#

but not bad

ripe quest
#

that's like, bottom of the barrel

fleet zealot
#

yea

#

i'm at the bottom of the bottle too exhillious

ripe quest
#

Average Darktide player experience lmao

sacred jay
#

Like i do one mission and 400 kills and next full mission it goes up just 36 kills

#

Like the fuq

dense field
fleet zealot
#

stop doing what

#

i didnt mod it

#

until it was orange

#

i just wanted to keep praying

dense field
#

That's slightly better, but you'd be better off with wrath+rampage

#

even on mk15

vast basin
#

Disagree

fleet zealot
vast basin
#

Wrath not as useful on low attack speed weapons and the mk15 damage cap makes it a lot less useful

fleet zealot
#

it would be good if i had shred to i would replace both blessings

#

but my shred 4 is on my mk2 rn

dense field
coarse birch
vast basin
#

Well then you're gimping yourself. Wrath will give you almost no value while perfect strike atleast lets you cleave carapace

zealous basin
#

ahhhhh!!

dense field
#

That's a bit of value every time you hit something vs a bit of value sometimes maybe.

rain steppe
#

So bottom line the mk15 heavy evic what do I want on it to hoard clear and still be effective

vast basin
#

Shred and rampage

zealous basin
rain steppe
#

Would I have to gamble to get a new weapon to get those?

dense field
#

You always have to gamble if you want a weapon

hushed knoll
#

WHO IS READY

rain steppe
#

I've got a good weapon just not the skills on it

dense field
#

If you don't have any blessings then all you have to do is be lucky

rain steppe
#

I think I have a 423 and a 432 which are acceptable by my standars

dense field
#

simple

#

total rating doesn't matter at all

hushed knoll
#

@coarse birch

#

Are you ready

frosty herald
#

We should send admiral spire to malevelon creek

coarse birch
#

Am i

hushed knoll
#

It's salt sucking time

coarse birch
#

Ready for what

#

Oh

hushed knoll
#

:blboa

coarse birch
#

Enjoy your uh

#

Salt sucking of pretzels

hushed knoll
#

If goats can do it why can't I

coarse birch
#

Are you a goat

hushed knoll
#

No

coarse birch
#

I also dont think they do it with pretzels

rain steppe
#

Im debating making a zealot Melee build around the combat knife and melee speed then popping a blue stim and becoming a blender

jagged geyser
#

I love all of my zealot builds but going fast with a knife is when I feel like I’m having the most fun

rain steppe
#

I think I know how to get it to do that it

hushed knoll
#

Anngak I see you

quaint verge
hushed knoll
#

No.

coarse birch
#

I mean i cant say for sure they dont lick the salt off pretzels

quaint verge
#

dont fall for his bait

coarse birch
#

But im p sure they don't

hushed knoll
#

So you agree then that worms don't go to school

hushed knoll
rain steppe
north sedge
viral hare
rain steppe
#

I think that's how I'd do if

hushed knoll
quaint verge
jagged geyser
coarse birch
hushed knoll
#

What

jagged geyser
#

Except we wouldn’t die

hushed knoll
#

What are HPM's

quaint verge
#

HARH per minutes

hushed knoll
jagged geyser
#

Because we are so freakin fast

hushed knoll
#

What is a harh

fading vale
jagged geyser
rain steppe
#

I was making a knife build forgot to give more context XD

jagged geyser
#

I liked this one

#

That’s IF you’re doing crit

fading vale
#

sure but as far as knife builds go

jagged geyser
#

So I did the build with a crit knife

fading vale
#

you uh, took a lot of not good or relevant things

rain steppe
#

I was going solo on melee speed

fading vale
#

namely the knife loves crits and you don't have any crit stuff

rain steppe
#

Nothing else

fleet zealot
#

+stam

jagged geyser
#

There’s also that video of the dude doing true solo auric speed runs with knife zealot and I like his build too

fleet zealot
#

is a lie

#

don't go it

#

it's not vt2, anyone who tells you otherwise is a vt2 boomer or dumb

viral hare
rain steppe
#

I've never played v2 I just wanted to make a knife build aimed towards attack speed

viral hare
#

invincible rat build

rain steppe
#

Okay why health over toughness?

#

Alot of my builds I focus on toughness as it's easier to keep up

viral hare
#

realistically whatever is fine

jagged geyser
#

My only issue is I’m not a fan of shroudfield at all

#

That could be a skill issue

#

I love fotf

north sedge
#

toughness is generally better

jagged geyser
#

But I feel like it comes down to preference

fading vale
fleet zealot
#

health vs toughness is just preference, mroe weighting to toughness but it's not end all be all

viral hare
#

shroud is a great support ability as well as being really good survivability, esp with invigorating rev

fleet zealot
#

there are some weirdos who go 3x hp and restoring faith

#

gives them a massive effective hp pool

jagged geyser
rain steppe
#

I think my current build I have 175 tough

jagged geyser
#

It’s great for revives

fading vale
#

yeah 175 is enough

#

can do whatever around that

viral hare
#

great for revives, great for objectives, great for gtfo

#

people use it too aggressively which is the problem

rain steppe
#

Then I charge in with my skill attack everything and then can charge out if shit hits fan

jagged geyser
nimble fiber
jagged geyser
#

Seeing other dudes use it like a hugely offensive tool in dam+ and then I’m fighting the Crusher Brady Bunch

rain steppe
#

Does fury of faithful stack

fading vale
#

no

rain steppe
#

Damn

#

But it can stack with other skills witch is enough for me

jagged geyser
#

If it did that’d be so OP

#

If you run it with a bolter it trivializes boss fights

rain steppe
#

I've been running it with faithful frenzy and ij getting 50% more attack speed, then using a stim before I charge to gain even more attack speed

#

Comes in handy to cover the team if a large hord comes up

hushed knoll
nimble fiber
#

oh but they do stan

north sedge
viral hare
#

is 17 max toughness on a curio? i forgor

#

or 18

vast basin
#

17

viral hare
#

tyty

hushed knoll
hushed knoll
nimble fiber
#

yes

coarse birch
#

stan that dog is clearly twerking

hushed knoll
coarse birch
#

i said yes

nimble fiber
#

why would worms go to school?

hushed knoll
#

Can you please say for me “worms do not go to school”

coarse birch
#

no

hushed knoll
#

Why not

coarse birch
#

now im just being baited

hushed knoll
#

I need it to win an argument

coarse birch
#

i dont trust it

nimble fiber
#

I wouldn't either tbh

#

thats a bit suspicious stan

hushed knoll
nimble fiber
coarse birch
#

i was with you till you needed a specific phrase

hushed knoll
#

WTF

#

This is a scam

#

Next you’re going to be asking me to pay the IRS with Nintendo gift cards

coarse birch
#

i

#

what

hushed knoll
#

😠😠😠😠

coarse birch
#

stan i am not going to ask you to pay the IRS with nintendo gift cards

hushed knoll
#

You were just about to

#

WTF

frank night
#

stan has become increasingly deranged due to blue on blue incidents in Helldivers

hushed knoll
#

I know the signs

hushed knoll
#

What is that

frank night
#

friendly fire

coarse birch
#

what are the signs stan

hushed knoll
#

Dogs is the one that keeps murdering me

#

Josho

#

He legit shoots me out of nowhere

coarse birch
#

@royal vortex

hushed knoll
#

😒

coarse birch
#

more people turned into animals

nimble fiber
#

wild

#

stan what is your favorite type of cheese?

sacred jay
#

Blue cheese

royal vortex
#

nope

coarse birch
#

is this your one use of not having to rename yourself

lusty turtle
viral hare
quaint verge
warped dragon
#

I see trying to hit the weakpt of nurgle beast with an evis is as annoying as ever

#

Was hoping they’d fix that

north sedge
median steeple
fleet zealot
blissful tendon
#

is thunderhammer like powersword where it's straight up worthless unless you literally don't have time to charge it

#

or is it like crusher where the charge is situational

fleet zealot
#

It is more like one of the new shovels

#

Ironhelm spams charge attacks way more but

#

crucis is heavy sweeps for crowds, lights for bonking individual weaklings, and activated heavies for popping basically anything in the game

coarse birch
#

Yeah crucis just charges to take out single targets

#

Regular swings are decent

#

Twbs helps get swings off easier

blissful tendon
#

does it have better damage uncharged vs some armor type or am I better off just precharging mk4 whenever i can

#

or no increased damage charged

#

I suppose the end result would be the same

coarse birch
#

For ironhelm you charge when you can but stuff like heavy 3 is still p strong on its own

#

However since you increase cleave and dont get stuck on chaff with charge you generally just charge > swing repeat

frosty herald
#

if you want hordeclear with thammer and good damage use ironhelm

north sedge
#

charge always does more

coarse birch
#

Also avoids the slightly funky moveset

#

And yeah charge will always be more damage

#

Charged h3 is the most damage

#

Ironhelm can get i mean

blissful tendon
#

did push for mk4 always combo directly into h3

#

or did they make that happen at one point

frosty herald
#

ironhelm got changed

#

push into attack is a sweep

#

but push delay heavy is h3

blissful tendon
#

yeah I mean that second one

#

felt like a change they had to manually make

frosty herald
#

well

#

no one liked that they changed ironhelms push attack heavy into the overhead

#

so now its only the overhead if you delay the attack

blissful tendon
#

not my broke ass somehow having no thrust of any level

image.png
frosty herald
#

please

coarse birch
#

It will be p much perfect if you do

#

Once you find thrust

ripe quest
frosty herald
ripe quest
#

"Dear Fatshark,
Your balancing measures are simply dogwater.

Sincerely,
the community"

coarse birch
#

The simply really drives it home

ember yew
north sedge
visual stream
frosty herald
#

iunno

lusty turtle
ripe quest
frosty herald
#

but what i do know is that i needed to push delay a small bit and then attack

north sedge
visual stream
#

Also I preferred it that way, if they made it have a delay then that's a nerf and I will be back to coping

coarse birch
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What do you mean you nerfed the voidstrike i cant headbutt my keyboard and win anymore

visual stream
frosty herald
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MF I WAS TALKING ABOUT IRONHELM HEAVY HOW DID YOU SEGWAY THIS INTO BALAnCING

ripe quest
hushed knoll
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Exhuoakisu hi

visual stream
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That's what I figured

hushed knoll
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Exhilsifua

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Exhillious

ripe quest
frosty herald
ripe quest
coarse birch
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F exhil

hushed knoll
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Holy crap

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Diet Coke

royal vortex
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..?

coarse birch
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Is it diet coke this time

royal vortex
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NO

north sedge
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he had a diet coke so he's hospital right now

coarse birch
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Rip stan

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Gone too soon

north sedge
shy river
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He had one whole diet coke

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ripe quest
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it's just keyboard bashing at this point

coarse birch
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You truly got murdered

ripe quest
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Illinois and Exowk are pretty funny still

visual stream
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Coke is the worst soda why do people drink that spicy sewage

lusty turtle
lusty turtle
coarse birch
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No

north sedge
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not a name, no

coarse birch
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I think it was actually diet coke

visual stream
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They should go back to the original recipe that had cocaine in it

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Now they compensate with high fructose corn syrup

north sedge
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gotta get the mexican coke that has actual sugar

shy river
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Do a breaking bad crossover with meth coke

ripe quest
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Which is the intended setup, since it allows for people to chain PAs into the sweeps.

frosty herald
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diet conk

ripe quest
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The incorrect change they made a while ago fucked that up so the PA chained into H3

hushed knoll
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FUCK

coarse birch
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F

ripe quest
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skepply

hushed knoll
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This Diet Cone is making me feel like wooooo

visual stream
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Using the lame push attack to get to H2 <<< QQ to get to H1

hushed knoll
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Come

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Come

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GUCK

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I hate this

coarse birch
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Lmao

hushed knoll
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For

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Coke

fading vale
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Hi stanley

coarse birch
visual stream
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GUCK

fading vale
coarse birch
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Oh God