its one of those weapons thats kinda slept on because it doesn't instant kill hordes
#zealot-class
lusty turtle
viral hare
I never argued that crucis is weak, I just said it don’t feel too great to use for me personally
lusty turtle
or used to be anyway, idk what the community perception is now
viral hare
at the end of the day that’s just personal preference
And god knows there’s better hammer users than me
visual stream
It's a hard one to learn because the one target thing takes a lil learning to get down, but it's rewarding for the damage
warped dragon
It’s very satisfying once you get good with it. Or you can skip that part and just use ironhelm
frosty herald
Both ironhelm and crucis have their respective strengths
viral hare
It's a hard one to learn because the one target thing takes a lil learning to ge...
With the setup I run I can’t even one tap crushers which is sadge
frosty herald
I prefer using ironhelm
visual stream
Put the skill of learning camera jank into learning setting up mauler BP, since that's like the only one you have to work for differently than crucis 
visual stream
With the setup I run I can’t even one tap crushers which is sadge
Do you mean in general or with chastise?
Because neither hammer can one shot crusher without it, both can one shot with chastise
lusty turtle
@royal vortex @coarse birch wanna do some dt?
viral hare
Do you mean in general or with chastise?
Either or, I haven’t tried swapping flak to carapace so maybe that’ll help idk
This is what I got
visual stream
It should absolutely one shot them if you charge up thrust and chastise
south folio
you can do it w/o chastise but you need to be absolutely stacked on martyrdom and with full sustained assault stacks
rain steppe
I think I may have a good roll on my hammer on zealot
viral hare
It should absolutely one shot them if you charge up thrust and chastise
I’ll test it again when I get home but I don’t remember it one shotting
could’ve just been a while tho and I did something wrong
north sedge
With chastise it's easy
lusty turtle
fleet zealot
frosty herald
north sedge
Can avoid this chat
median steeple
Hopefully when I upgrade I can play darktide without getting headaches
Otherwise until then we ball on 30 frames
zealous basin
whar
ripe quest
Otherwise until then we ball on 30 frames
Just get the N64 config setup
it'll solve all of your frame problems
hushed knoll
Kwifusu
obtuse stirrup
Strong cleaving light attacks with Brutal Momentum
From what I remember it feels kinda similar to the Falchion
Been ages since I played VT though
median steeple
Just get the N64 config setup
I will enjoy my graphics on a lower frame rate
I will have to be forced to become playdough
fleet zealot
median steeple
Holding em like a power up
obtuse stirrup
Chorus of Spiritual Ferretude
steep flame
The firelink shrine theme has no right being so damn gas
coarse birch
<@445566734255259648> <@1117340723692445746> wanna do some dt?
I can if your still interested
lusty turtle
sure, idk how long for tho just waitin for someone to be free to do some sins of a solar empire
am strike team 50
south folio
i invade
lusty turtle
coarse birch
one sec
hushed knoll
wat
Oops I messed up
WOOOOOOI ALMOST THERE ALMOST THERE
yaaaaas queen fuckin delay
Slay
nimble fiber
stan r u good?
left iron
nimble fiber
with?
north sedge
fleet zealot
bitter anvil
Now ceramic dagger are meta?
drifting wolf
incarnon makes it good
bitter anvil
incarnon makes it good
How is in incarnon form ceramic like?
nimble fiber
we're in a world were daggers shoot other daggers?
delicate shadow
that also explode
borderlands type shit
true mantle
drifting wolf
borderlands type shit
swordsplosion
nimble fiber
fleet zealot
north sedge
well now i know to avoid this channel
fair flax
Never realized but the whole yellow buff to toughness thing from the Veteran is hilariously busted now lol. 100% ranged damage immunity while it's up.
Not that I'm complaining too loudly, it's a PvE game. Rising tide raises all ships. But damn lol.
fleet zealot
caught
drifting wolf
well now i know to avoid this channel
noooo come back please
fleet zealot
Never realized but the whole yellow buff to toughness thing from the Veteran is ...
doesn't seem like it's immunity is it?
i know as long as you are overcapped you don't take bleedthrough
fair flax
doesn't seem like it's immunity is it?
It's definitely immunity right now, ranged damage just doesn't go through toughness while it's up.
fleet zealot
ranged damage never goes through toughness
fair flax
Even if you have 0 toughness
fair flax
No clue why, all I know is it makes the game a looooot easier now lol
fleet zealot
like twbs, you basically are never at 0 toughness, always slightly >0
but twbs was nerfed by like, 75% so it's nowhere near as effective as it used to be
fair flax
I remember, took a bit to get used to that nerf lol
desert bough
Toughness not like shield. Protec some damage. Not all of it. Ulgo want be invisible and kill heretic forever
delicate shadow
if you have overtoughness you're immune to all damage that doesn't have bleedthrough to hp based on the bug report I saw
fair flax
That was a loooong time ago, that nerf.
delicate shadow
odd bug that came through with last patch
fair flax
Don't get me wrong, steamrolling content is fun with overtoughness bug but it's also a bit silly xD
delicate shadow
along with the lucky bullet thing
fair flax
I'm still convinced the bolter is super underrated.
fair flax
Nothing says "what monstrosity" like mag dumping into one and clearing a whole group xD
I just want a bit higher collateral added back to the bolter, that thing should be red misting enemies in a small area.
fleet zealot
but most of the damage is loaded into finesse now
mag dumping is still inefficient especially comparing 100% PF bolter
desert bough
Nothing says "what monstrosity" like mag dumping into one and clearing a whole g...
Rippabaga work well on monster
fair flax
but most of the damage is loaded into finesse now
I don't think the bolter is about efficiency lol, it's about throwing down 15 super rounds into a group of enemies and watching them all die xD
I mean you could aim with it but it's so damned inaccurate that you're better off hip firing and letting the target tracking semi cheat the aim for you.
north sedge
🤔
fair flax
Like, personally, the only time I'm aiming with my bolter is if there's a high priroity assface like a Trapper in the back that needs to die right now.
fleet zealot
I mean you could aim with it but it's so damned inaccurate that you're better of...
it's not innaccurate
the irons are bad
spare dome
ive got a target tracking semi thinking about it right now
fleet zealot
but it isn't innaccurate
fair flax
but it isn't innaccurate
Sort of is, when aiming. When hip firing, it's much better for accuracy
It's weeeird
fleet zealot
yes
north sedge
should also be dropping ads between shots to reset
fleet zealot
but the damage values rn
are skewed to finesse
there are just better magdump weaopns rn
south folio
it's perfectly accurate when ADSing
just that it jumps around
fair flax
Meh, IDK, I dumpster any monstrosity with my bolter, same with elites and bosses get chunked HARD once their shields are down.
The damage seems fine to me
south folio
yeah the bolter is p good
tropic harbor
According to my dopamine levels, mag dumping any weapon is an effective way to deal with any problem
south folio
the regulars here agree on this for the bolter
delicate shadow
yeah the issue is the visual recoil of the irons is obnoxious, it's not actually inaccurate though
kinda like AKs in Call of Duty games being pinpoint accurate they just visually bounce a lot between shots
fleet zealot
my mk3 headhunter
dumps monstros better than abolter
and i dont even need unyielding perk
tropic harbor
But yes, bolter is accurate. There are ways to get around the recoil with ads if you have to
fair flax
But yes, bolter is accurate. There are ways to get around the recoil with ads if...
Like Chastising in at point blank range xD
tropic harbor
Like going from ads to not ads and back between shots
fading vale
dumpster monstrosities with simply 45 bolter rounds, easy as that
fair flax
dumpster monstrosities with simply 45 bolter rounds, easy as that
more like 5-10 rounds but OK lol
tropic harbor
Like Chastising in at point blank range xD
Yes, this is a better one
fleet zealot
Nah now ur just being obtuse
in sedition?
tropic harbor
Maybe it can take down a single crusher with 10 rounds, but bosses and monstrosities it don’t do much
fading vale
assuming 2000 damage per shot that is still half a plogryns healthbar in 15 shots
fair flax
in sedition?
Nah, I'm talking Malice atm. In Sedition I imagine it's going to take a full clip.
tropic harbor
Unless you’re not playing heresy or damnation
fleet zealot
and the game balance shouldnt revolve around malic
fleet zealot
Nah, I'm talking Malice atm. In Sedition I imagine it's going to take a full cli...
thank the emperor
fading vale
ok if its malice sure they have way less health
generally we only speak in damnation numbers
fair flax
thank the emperor
Meh I still take my bolter for Diff 5 without issues. It's a little less efficient but it's not a deal breaker imo. Bolter ruins lives.
It's basically a support weapon
fleet zealot
just in damnation, the recent bolter changes, have made it extremely vet skewed
they like ads'ing popping heads and get free crit from their tree, zealot likes to have the magdump option and magdumping was nerfed
tropic harbor
I only take a bolter on zealot if I’m using a weapon that doesn’t do armor as well.
Unless there’s a better one
fleet zealot
i don't even do that anymore
mk3 headhunter, deadly accurate and headhunter blessings
even without chastise it pops crushers down
desert bough
Why some zealot weird and mean?
fading vale
not really fair to compare things to a vraks 3
fair flax
The nerf doesn't even hurt mag dumping that much though. I mean it's a small tweak considering the mag size and the brittleness stacks with T4?
tropic harbor
mk3 headhunter, deadly accurate and headhunter blessings
Okay I’m trying this, I haven’t used the head hunters since the game came out
fading vale
that gun is cracked
fleet zealot
The nerf doesn't even hurt mag dumping that much though. I mean it's a small twe...
the big PF nerf
fading vale
The nerf doesn't even hurt mag dumping that much though. I mean it's a small twe...
brittleness is also worse than it used to be for bolter, it was silently nerfed to be 10% per shot instead of 20%
so 4 shots to max brittleness
fleet zealot
and the shifting damage to finesse
fair flax
the big PF nerf
Which nerf you talking about? Are we talking brittleness nerf?
fading vale
pinning fire used to be 100%
they basically turned bolter into a finesse/crit weapon
so now cavalcade is considered better than shattering for zealot
optimally would run piety too if you are bolter maxing
fair flax
Cav is for crit hits though, if you're not going for crits...IDK
fleet zealot
Which nerf you talking about? Are we talking brittleness nerf?
pinning fire went from 100% to 25% in a single patch
fleet zealot
Cav is for crit hits though, if you're not going for crits...IDK
that's the issue
zealot can't really abuse range crits
fair flax
pinning fire went from 100% to 25% in a single patch
Yeah that's an insane nerf, didn't see that oof
fading vale
Cav is for crit hits though, if you're not going for crits...IDK
finesse weapon means the crit damage scales higher than other things
fading vale
making cavalcade the best second blessing for magdump
cause none of the others boost damage outside of shattering on crushers
and surgical is for vets with suppression immunity stuff
fleet zealot
vets can rip with it cause they just use it as a semi auto rifle
chaining weakspot hits
fair flax
I'm definitely not sold on Cav being better than Shattering at this point. At least for the bolter.
fading vale
shattering doesn't really do anything though
you want to chastise crusher packs regardless
fair flax
IDK, that's a vulnerability debuff for the entire team
fleet zealot
and most players at this point know which weaopns suck vs armor
fair flax
But when would you be using your bolter on something that's not a big, fat target like a crusher, boss, monstrosity, etc?
That's the entire reason u use a bolter
fading vale
usually it's for elite packs
fair flax
That's a secondary function where you can line them up and pew pew pew?
fading vale
shattering would be a 10% damage buff for unyielding after 4 shots for most things, given most weapons have high unyielding ADM
fair flax
IDK man, I'd rather apply a vulnerability to enemies for the entire team than get up to 25% more crit chance, based on my tiny ass mag where that 25% is going to apply for like 1-2 rounds.
left iron
I, too, would like to deal 80 extra damage after reaching max stacks with my shattering, instead of sometimes doubling my damage more consistently 
fading vale
it just takes too many shots to stack and everything is dead before you have stacks up except for crushers without chastise and bosses
fleet zealot
the debuff is overrated
fair flax
it just takes too many shots to stack and everything is dead before you have sta...
But that's kind of the point dude, lol. Why the hell are u using the bolter on smaller enemies that die to your melee unless you absolutely have to? It's for killing thicc bois.
fleet zealot
you are just going to help people hit things they shouldnt be htting in the first place
wow you helping you recon lasgun vet kill crushers in 1 minute instead of 2
fading vale
ok go play auric shock+ and then tell me you aren't going to use it for packs of 25 melee elites
fair flax
ok go play auric shock+ and then tell me you aren't going to use it for packs of...
That classifies as thicc bois :/
fading vale
nobody is purely meleeing a billion ragers and maulers
fair flax
Have a hallway full of meat that's asking for you to use the penetration of the bolter? Then obviously use it...
fleet zealot
nobody is purely meleeing a billion ragers and maulers
i might be but that doesn't disprove your point
fading vale
I mean you kind of can if you have a crusher
fair flax
Like IDK, ya gotta think about it. You can't just flip flop without using any judgment at all, bolter is about making good calls on when to use it.
spare dome
anything taller than me gets the mag dump
left iron
Wowee, look at these huge increases as shattering gets to 16 stacks against a mauler. Bolter is 80 all stats, flakiac, no pinning fire active, shattering impact at 0 and 16
A whopping
68 damage
On bodyshots
north sedge
sign me up
fading vale
yeah the only low ADM on bolter is carapace
fair flax
Shattering applies a vunlerability for the team though, it's not just about you
fading vale
so maniac unyielding and flak would get 10% damage at max stacks
fair flax
I really think people misunderstand the bolter
fading vale
also almost every good weapon in the game has high flak maniac and unyielding damage
north sedge
i think you misunderstand how often brittleness matters (not much)
left iron
No, the bolter isnt misunderstood. You're trying to reinvent the wheel yet again as you're given literal proof why shattering isnt good. Your other argument being 'it does shit for my team' isnt great either, since you could have cavalcade and the thing is dead without your team having to spend time on it
fair flax
And you keep IGNORING how it applies a debuff for everyone.
fleet zealot
still isn't worth it
fair flax
It's not about you, always, it's about enabling the team while also doing good yourself.
left iron
Thing is dead > a debuff on thing still alive
fleet zealot
the most effect it has is if you get bad players in your lobby
fading vale
I mean shattering isn't dead, but the team debuff is pretty meaningless unless we are specifically talking about the twins
faint vapor
And you keep IGNORING how it applies a debuff for everyone.
This implies teammates are around to use it 😎😎😎 Loner Aura
north sedge
if you're interested in providing team dmg buffs, play tauntgryn, tag vet
fleet zealot
you help ezekial hit the crusher with his lacerate flesh tearer knife woo
fair flax
Twins, assassination missions, monstrosities, etc. It matters for thicc targets
fleet zealot
gods work
it doesn't
and there is better sources of brittleness
trauma staff for one
ogryn rumbler
fair flax
Shattering is only useless on stuff you don't use the bolter on to begin with if you can avoid it
fading vale
assassination missions are already a joke, and for monstrosities it's 10% damage buff at best
fleet zealot
no it's useless on most everything else too
fair flax
You're wrong man lol
fleet zealot
i hate this support mentality
fair flax
100% wrong
sharp zodiac
Now ceramic dagger are meta?
The perfect stat stick
faint vapor
i hate this support mentality
Same Loner Zealot 💪
fleet zealot
don't kneecap your build under the guise of "i'm supporting my team!"
fair flax
That tells me you don't understadn how to work with a team and is why FS didn't add a SB.
shy river
Flurry/Shockwave can do work, it's not the "optimal" build probably but it's still good
fair flax
Kills are great but there are more important stats, depending on the team
fading vale
all of the good teams just hold W and obliterate everything
fleet zealot
That tells me you don't understadn how to work with a team and is why FS didn't ...
here is how i support my team
faint vapor
Kills are great but there are more important stats, depending on the team
"Top ammo picked up"
fleet zealot
I stick close to them and kill anything that approaches me in melee and quickswap to range to gun down any specialists before tehy can become a risk to my team
my support is that they can kill something else
nimble fiber
Im kind of eepy, I think im gonna make myself a coffee 
fair flax
And that's great but when shit gets real and you need to start reviving and start a train...then kills matter less.
fleet zealot
no
you still need to kill
to make room to get revives
unless you have stealth/CC nade ready
left iron
And that's great but when shit gets real and you need to start reviving and star...
What, you just need to kill more because someone went down if there are any specials/elites around, if you dont have an ability that allows you to get someone up safely
fleet zealot
you are functionally giving a 10% damage boost at max, to targets that are already taken damage
fair flax
unless you have stealth/CC nade ready
:/ yes ofc you still need kills. But kills aren't everything. Its a red herring stat that lulls people into making false assertions.
fair flax
It's a smarter one than yours
fleet zealot
killing is the main stat cause it frees up everyone else to kill more
fading vale
I mean it's understandable that some people are still under the impression this is a team focused game
even though team mechanics are super loose and rarely matter
fair flax
sigh
fading vale
all everyone needs to do is kill things and kill more things and you win
fleet zealot
true I should run shattering bolter, and skullcrusher dclaw
fair flax
This shit is insane, it's a team game. If you're just going pew pew look at kills you're objectively not doing it right. There's a lot more going on than just that.
fair flax
save allies, chokepoint problems, etc
fleet zealot
dont let team die if that is possible
fair flax
Lots of other stuff going on
fleet zealot
I AM the chokepoint solution
my short ass
gets in there
and holds it
the amount of power you need behind supportive tools is huge
see psyker dome, vet shout, chorus, psyker smite, tauntogryn
spare talon
the player count is down so there are only good players
no matches by the skin of my teeth
no amazing clutches
just smooth sailing runs
fading vale
pretty much everyone here is just gonna hold W through every map and kill everything without relying on their team constantly, cause that's how to win the easiest and fastest
fair flax
I just don't think you get it. This game is more in-depth than just going pew pew at heretics. Kills are wonderful but they're not the end-all-be-all either. It's all about context.
fleet zealot
shattering in the big schemes of thing
is worthless
crushers even will be dead before you can even make use of shattering
fleet zealot
I just don't think you get it. This game is more in-depth than just going pew pe...
lol
this is pointless muddying
whats the nuance then
fleet zealot
are you saying theoretically a pacifist build would be stronger than me?
fair flax
are you saying theoretically a pacifist build would be stronger than me?
That is not what I said wtf
fleet zealot
im simply following the logic
fading vale
I was at least trying to make points and have a conversation but you never really engaged with anything I said so
fleet zealot
in what scenario is killing not the end all be all, besides doing the objective?
(which you still need to kill to make space for)
you play malice->normal damn at highest, you can play what you enjoy
fair flax
Alright, so when you have, for example a psycher gibbing mass tiny dudes with a palpatine build. They get more kills than everyone else. They don't do much to any thicc enemies though. Does that make them the most important, because they have high kills co,mpared to everyone else?
No.
fleet zealot
but the people here have played in auric for months on months now
fleet zealot
Alright, so when you have, for example a psycher gibbing mass tiny dudes with a ...
the point of that is killing the chafe+ holding the elites in place
fair flax
That's just one example. Kills are great but context matters within those kills.
fleet zealot
that is being picky
fair flax
the point of that is killing the chafe+ holding the elites in place
ARRRG you are the worst
fading vale
the lightning doesn't really get any kills
fading vale
and everyone hates smite psykers cause they don't kill anything
left iron
On lower difficulties, it doesnt even kill. You need to add in shriek on damnation
fleet zealot
ARRRG you are the worst
pot meet kettle
fading vale
but usually the kill breakdowns we care about are elites and specials
fodder is whatever
faint vapor
Clearly we just need infinite smite bug back UwU
left iron
Only if it also fries my GPU
fading vale
remember that patch that made surge fuck up everyone's screen
faint vapor
I remember when they nerfed how blindingly bright purg and flamer were
fading vale
like it could be potentially cool if there were modes or interactions that incentivize team play but.... that's just not how they designed the game
north sedge
Remember
fading vale
best bet is just everyone running forward and being loosely together and killing as fast as you can
faint vapor
Safest dropzone
fleet zealot
RIP Slimgryn
fading vale
rip best cosmetic
polar nexus
Rip 😦
fading vale
the true glory days
polar nexus
Fatshark is like: we don't want funny bugs, we need to fix them ASAP. Power creeping? Plasma? What's that?
polar nexus
Oh?
fading vale
that is the most popular conjecture
faint vapor
GW butts in a lot, Total War Warhammer 3, Exodites, etc
faint vapor
I wouldn't doubt if Rogue Trader is missing the minor xenos because of GW
left iron
faint vapor
Cat c:
fading vale
I guess I can go back to my name now
fair flax
OK break over, less tilted now lol. Felt like I was getting a bit ornery. Needed to take a step back.
ripe quest
I guess I can go back to my name now
balance is restored
fading vale
until stan returns
faint vapor
OK break over, less tilted now lol. Felt like I was getting a bit ornery. Needed...
Lets return to our shitposting
fair flax
Lets return to our shitposting
Oh I am so done arguing over the merits of what stats are worth what on the scoreboard. You either get it or you don't. There's no explaining it xD
faint vapor
Oh I am so done arguing over the merits of what stats are worth what on the scor...
Some people unironically think "total score" is the best measure of skill
Its hilarious
ripe quest
Scoreboard is there for raw numbers regarding performance. Best used when compared between games rather than compared between players.
faint vapor
Bro will have like 1k damage taken and think they're good
left iron
Weird how the goalpost moved there, from 'is shattering better than cavalcade on zealot'
But you're right, lets move on
faint vapor
Scoreboard is there for raw numbers regarding performance. Best used when compar...
The problem is they just use the default settings and don't adjust
fair flax
Scoreboard is there for raw numbers regarding performance. Best used when compar...
I only use the scoreboard to keep track of funsies stats for me personally. Like since I specialize in gibbing thicc bois, I wanna see how many I've killed at the end of a game.
ripe quest
Weird how the goalpost moved there, from 'is shattering better than cavalcade on...
oooh there's some lore here that I'll spend the next 15 minutes looking at
faint vapor
Apparently they think the mod maker handcrafted the settings for them
fair flax
No sense in comparing my stats to someone else's when we do different things
fading vale
I use it to get disappointed that I have over 100 special kills when a teammate has 10
ripe quest
I use it to get disappointed that I have over 100 special kills when a teammate ...
Yeah that's something that I noticed, w/ randoms my biggest lead is special related every time. I still think back to that game where I topped special damage and kills with a Flamer when I had a Vet in my lobby.
fair flax
Flamer is shockingly good vs armor if you have someone to make sure you got get tarpitt'd.
faint vapor
I had a recon vet that only aimed at body
fair flax
dont get*
fading vale
I always get by far the most special and ranged elites in pubs, but geez out specialing a vet with a flamer is uh something
ripe quest
Flamer is shockingly good vs armor if you have someone to make sure you got get ...
Oh I mean it's phenomenal at killing stuff, even without Fury's armor downgrade it's a landmark Zealot weapon.
fair flax
The thing that keeps me away from the flamer is how the primary fire is basically like lighting a candle to a fart while secondary is spray and pray
ripe quest
But I shouldn't be outpacing specialist kills and damage of all things w/ one
south folio
<@297182781346152448>
wha
fair flax
swap them and I'd use the flamer all the time
fading vale
so you don't like flamer cause you don't want to right click?
fair flax
Because I can't hip fire the spray secondary fire
south folio
I was bored and wanted to ghost ping you but I aborted the bit halfway through.
you're better than mittins and mankar
fair flax
That's the main reason
ripe quest
you're better than mittins and mankar
For now.
left iron
ripe quest
lmao
south folio
lazorr
ripe quest
Because I can't hip fire the spray secondary fire
I think it's a neat design to have the high stagger shot be the fastest to access and the main DPS fire taking an extra 1/4th second to get to.
fading vale
the puff is surprisingly good
fair flax
I think it's a neat design to have the high stagger shot be the fastest to acces...
I guess but I still hate it lol. personal opinion xD
fading vale
I think it's a neat design to have the high stagger shot be the fastest to acces...
did you ever look at the code for fan
ripe quest
did you ever look at the code for fan
I did a while ago, what do you need to know?
fading vale
yeah
fair flax
On a less technical note, one of these days I really need to level up my Ogryn who I've affectionately named Joe Rogryn. Once he's geared and levelled, I'll spend my days on the Mourningstar talking to ranoms about bears.
randoms*
ripe quest
I'm sure it does work but it's just completely shat on by BPs.
fleet zealot
test
south folio
i wuv the primary fire https://streamable.com/b4sq6q
fair flax
I wonder, with the rapid fire mod...could you get the primary fire of the flamer to be kind of like the secondary?
fading vale
it's amazing for maulers and ragers, and also while sliding around for ranged
no, the puff has a limited fire rate and animation
fair flax
Aww
Until I get my power fantasy of hip spraying the flamer I'm going to be a sad panda.
fading vale
also important to note that the puff staggers out to 23m which is quite a ways away
I love puffing flamers and then meleeing them to assert flame dominance
fair flax
also important to note that the puff staggers out to 23m which is quite a ways a...
Do you stare them in the eyes as you puff and stuff their loved ones, right in front of them? You sicko!
fading vale
fair flax
lol
What's ya'll's Darktide dirty pleasure? Mine's speed running the twins on difficulty 2, lol
nimble fiber
sitting next to ogryns in the mourningstar
dense field
I just don't think you get it. This game is more in-depth than just going pew pe...
Listen. If you kill an enemy, that enemy only takes 25% of team's attention. If you "support your ally", the same enemy now holds 50% of team's attention. By "supporting" the team, you weaken the team.
Darktide is a survival game. If you go from point A to point B to point C and live, you win. Enemies try to stop you. If you kill them quickly, they don't have time to hurt you. If you kill them slowly, your team will move slower on your path to point C. That means there's more opportunities for something to go wrong, the AI director will spawn more enemies, etc.
Prioritizing support abilities, talents, and blessings (i.e. enemy debuffs and CC) over damage is only good when the whole team lacks both mobility and DPS. But that's also a clear signal to lower the difficulty, and then the support thing becomes irrelevant again. Because the team no longer fails their DPS checks.
Sorry if I'm a bit late for the party.
upbeat widget
It’s awesome how smart people have gotten in here
fair flax
Listen. If you kill an enemy, that enemy only takes 25% of team's attention. If ...
That's one way to play it. But typically, acting as a team gets better results.
upbeat widget
At least it’s not bleed knife
fleet zealot
ive explained it before, is that darktide is balanced and works right now with 4 independent team members working as a unit, then a cast of 4 characters relying on eachother for support
fleet zealot
That's one way to play it. But typically, acting as a team gets better results.
acting like a team= staying within LoS/coherency and taking down prio targets
fair flax
acting like a team= staying within LoS/coherency and taking down prio targets
In a pub, yes. in private games with friends on discord, we usually specialize a bit more to take on certain roles that compliment the team.
fleet zealot
In a pub, yes. in private games with friends on discord, we usually specialize a...
no in groups it's the same tbh, at least in my auric premade experience here
fair flax
no in groups it's the same tbh, at least in my auric premade experience here
That's fair but there's other ways to play it too. For me, I do it the way I mentioned.
So do a lot of the people I play with in provate
private*
dense field
That's one way to play it. But typically, acting as a team gets better results.
Acting as a team is killing.
You kill poxwalkers so a plasma vet can do plasma vet things unmolested. You kill the trapper so an ogryn doesn't get downed. You kill the gunner patrol so the team can focus down the boss.
fair flax
Acting as a team is killing.
You kill poxwalkers so a plasma vet can do plasma v...
Yes. But there can be more to it than that, you can have people specialize in certain roles that cover one another's weaknesses well.
Both ways are valid
dense field
You can also have less weaknesses so other people don't have to pull your weight too
fleet zealot
going shattering on bolter is not the same as staying in coherency and playing with your team
spare talon
i wuv the primary fire https://streamable.com/b4sq6q
is that with fan the flames or something
or is that just innate
fair flax
This is basically a subjective topic. If you like just doing it your way, cool. Whatever floats your boat. I prefer to do more specialization wihile working with people who do the same so we can compliment one another super well.
Like, for example, what's your fastest twin kill? final stage? Damnation
south folio
is that with fan the flames or something
or is that just innate
just default flamer
that was an inspiring barrage/blaze away flamer
fleet zealot
yes, but that doesn't make you right
fair flax
Mine's 90 seconds-ish. Skipped all phases between 1 and last with 2 god roll bolters and 2 ogryns
fleet zealot
objectively, there is ways this game is tuned towards playing and it's an agreed upon state here
subjectively, I don't care what you do
fair flax
yes, but that doesn't make you right
See, here's the thing, you think that but in reality, you have no basis for that opinion. So when you state it as fact it's not really ok or cool. It's kind of lame. We can agree to disagree. You don't have to be that guy. 🙂
dense field
Like, for example, what's your fastest twin kill? final stage? Damnation
I'm not sure tbh. The bro died in 4 revved evi mk15 attacks, the sis followed soon. It was quite fast.
fair flax
why are you saying "you" when everyone but you
No, I'm not feeding into this. I'm done talking to you for a bit. Please understand.
ripe quest
and also is it coded to be only primary fire
From what I can tell yes. It does work, I think it really is just a case of barely any meaningful BPs will be met by using it. Ragers and Shotgunners I think have the greatest impact, where you can consistently keep them staggered with FtF instead of the normal on and off stagger.
There might be some potential funny stuff w/ bosses but I'm not done looking into it
fading vale
so TLDR the primary already does enough stagger so it doesn't matter
fair flax
I'm not sure tbh. The bro died in 4 revved evi mk15 attacks, the sis followed so...
It's really fun to rip them apart fast 🙂
fleet zealot
the arguement was never "go for kills always never play with team" it was "shattering impact is not worth the teamwide benefit in normal gameplay
south folio
oh this was an extension of that convo?
ripe quest
so TLDR the primary already does enough stagger so it doesn't matter
Yeah, it's much like Mercy Killer where the effects only happen after you've already hit the enemy with fire. It'll go into some passive QoL but you'd never be in a situation where you'd need it.
dense field
It's really fun to rip them apart fast 🙂
it is!
fleet zealot
I assume it is since it instantly led into insulting our playstyle on assumptions
fair flax
oh this was an extension of that convo?
Kind of, it evolved from that into what we were talking about
frosty herald
When dd2's demo comes out you already know im locking myself into my room
ripe quest
I was hoping there was some kind of Showstopper utility w/ it for a funny combo but from what I can tell the effects only apply to burning enemies, and the most valuable BP that Showstopper could meet would be against Bulwarks and you can't burn them through the shield.
fading vale
at some point you should also recognize you are arguing against a bunch of no lifers with 1000 hours in the game that have played for over a year
ripe quest
Yeah we got a lot of the 'smart' people in chat rn
fair flax
I just wish everyone would accept that opinions are kind of like having a penis. It's OK to have one and it's OK to be proud but it's not OK to shive to down another person's throat without permission.
ripe quest
nimble fiber
huh
north sedge
our penises are made of math though, the universal language
dense field
Having penis is neither correct nor wrong. But ok.
drifting wolf
you need to be condensed into a flesh cube for that one
south folio
i mean if you're in a premade and your teammates are actively taking advantage of it, then sure i guess
but i would never really say anything that relies on having a premade because anything works in a premade
dense field
So is having fun.
fleet zealot
I just wish everyone would accept that opinions are kind of like having a penis....
idk what participationg trophy school you went to but here is the thing
fading vale
opinions are opinions and facts are facts
fleet zealot
opinions aren't penises
and while you are allowed to state your opinion on equal grounds
dense field
opinions aren't penises
imagine if they were
fleet zealot
that does not make your opinion equal
fair flax
idk what participationg trophy school you went to but here is the thing
This is why I don't wanna talk to you right now 😦
nimble fiber
what they aren't????
fleet zealot
we are allowed to present facts, evidence and examples to show our side
nimble fiber
man Im just here vibin
south folio
what they don't want you to know is that opinions are stored in the balls
fair flax
we are allowed to present facts, evidence and examples to show our side
Talk to me in an hour or 3 dude, I'm not mad but until you get that we're talking about opinions and slicing hairs here and we're on polar opposites so we're not going to agree then it's just feeding into a negative feedback loop. I don't want that. I'm here for a good time, not bad vibes.
nimble fiber
out of the blue
nah he's allowed to because of the goose thing 
south folio
indeed, it is fair retribution for a wrong committed against me
left iron
south folio
<a:cat_stare:964151226423984138>
i don't deserve this
frozen glen
kill arco
fair flax
I think it's time to carry some noobs. Gotta foster the community at it's roots so they grow 🙂
nimble fiber
kill all olives 
left iron
i don't deserve this
Would you prefer the higher quality one instead?
south folio
no
frozen glen
ace combat 7 is just me meeting exhil irl
ripe quest
o7
south folio
die
left iron
Very rude
nimble fiber
pie
lusty turtle
we should do an extra bursters run with josho
left iron
I have done nothing to deserve that
south folio
we should do an extra bursters run with josho
why
lusty turtle
no reason
south folio
do you realize the full consequences of that statement
frozen glen
we should BURSTER and BARREL arco
south folio
no
lusty turtle
frozen glen
maybe both at the same time
south folio
no
frozen glen
arco u are gonna BURST so hard
south folio
highly rude
rain steppe
I just did my first damnation round Holy fuck
south folio
this is why we should kill redverse https://streamable.com/25m4xc
south folio
kill redverse
lusty turtle
this is why we should kill redverse https://streamable.com/25m4xc
this is so sad
we should barrel rivers and josho
frozen glen
extremely rude
south folio
we should barrel rivers and josho
so true!!!!!!
lusty turtle
josho played void strike psyker and then ogryn earlier
frozen glen
anyone whose names start with A and ends with rcotash need to be EXECUTED
lusty turtle
any who bring me his head (clip of him being barreled) will be rewarded (i will laugh at josho)
south folio
josho played void strike psyker and then ogryn earlier
2 death sentences
fleet zealot
that
fucking
idk whether to be impressed or scared
for graphics tuning that low
south folio
i would tune it lower if i could get gray graphics
i saw it in the modding discord and i assume that you have to do some lua stuff to get it that way
lusty turtle
idk whether to be impressed or scared
scared
south folio
this is a coordinated attack on me
lusty turtle
giving arco access to graphics options was a mistake
south folio
why does darktide have features that lowers my framerates like textures and lighting
fleet zealot
cs source nerd type stuff
hey guyz just here showing what filse you can take out to get 2 more fps in a 2 decade old game
south folio
so true
fleet zealot
south folio
any who bring me his head (clip of him being barreled) will be rewarded (i will ...
this isn't josho being barreled but have you seen this clip yet #zealot-class message
fleet zealot
peppermint butler got into the plants and spilt dirt everywhere, shame him- post text
lusty turtle
yes, its very joshocore
south folio
one can only imagine what other noises josho can make
he is the squeaky toy that keeps on giving
vocal pulsar
this isnt healthy or sane
lusty turtle
throw like javalin
nimble fiber
peppermint butler got into the plants and spilt dirt everywhere, shame him- post...
butler probably just wanted to decorate the room, give him some slack
calm salmon
throw like javalin
weaponized 🅱️erret
vocal pulsar
yes, its very joshocore
can the noises he made be a bannable offense
for the discord server and in game
?
lusty turtle
frozen glen
how'd he turn into a grandma being strangled
lusty turtle
on the one had that would be funny, on the other hand
south folio
(josho goes on to recreate these cat noises later on fairly consistently)
lusty turtle
there was the noise josho made when we are on sycorax and that was funny af
south folio
one can imagine that these are noises that he makes when he is alone
calm salmon
I'm so glad my brain is only capable of doing one thing at once
south folio
frozen glen
is that how he personifies his keyboard smashes
calm salmon
can't catch me making weird noises because I'm hyperfocused on the game
no brain power for voicebox
lusty turtle
https://streamable.com/nc7fzj
he was somewhere between being actually murdered and swooping down as a falcon to attack enemies
ornate bone
mass effect 3 banshee mf
south folio
he took his high ground advantage too seriously
ornate bone
he remembered the assassins creed jump noise and wanted to emulate it
south folio
fly like an eagle, strike like a hawk
ornate bone
got a bit carried away tho
lusty turtle
arco deleted the fact he literally just posted that video
we are stuck in a loop
or wait he linked me to it in a msg
south folio
WHAT
coarse birch
Pog
south folio
you're not human
coarse birch
Rude
south folio
owned with facts and logic
coarse birch
I mean arco is a duck so
lusty turtle
owned with facts and logic
truuuu
south folio
I mean arco is a duck so
no
lusty turtle
i could ban you for speaking duck
frozen glen
I thought he was a goose
lusty turtle
rule 2
south folio
i've never spoken duck
lusty turtle
would also let me ban josho for speaking w/e the fuck those noises are
spare talon
i've never spoken duck
sorry i dont speak duck i cant understand you
south folio
would also let me ban josho for speaking w/e the fuck those noises are
so true
south folio
sorry i dont speak duck i cant understand you
so false
south folio
you will die
coarse birch
Why are you arcotash.
frozen glen
ban arco for threatening to turn people into lasagna
south folio
i will NOT be framed as a duck
frozen glen
rule 3
south folio
it's not a threat it's just me talking about what i'll be doing
coarse birch
Ur a duck
lusty turtle
can't wait for stan to type arco as duck one day
coarse birch
Ive heard you quack
lusty turtle
the prophecy
south folio
i've already been made into a sock
spare talon
Ive heard you quack
im going to start replying to any longer thing that arco says with "what is bro quacking about"
south folio
the letter "D" is only two keys away from "A"
median steeple
coarse birch
Good
south folio
i live in fear
spare talon
so so true
sharp zodiac
Ohio
south folio
nuh uh
nimble fiber
is there video evidence? (pls say there is)
sharp zodiac
i've already been made into a sock
I'm gonna wear you
left iron
coarse birch
There might be video evidence
median steeple
Ok Ed Gein
south folio
I'm gonna wear you
wha
sharp zodiac
Yeah
south folio
no video evidence
lusty turtle
i live in fear
as do we all
sharp zodiac
Why are you a state
lusty turtle
stan
coarse birch
Stan turned arco into a state too
median steeple
a horrific murder
sharp zodiac
Figured
south folio
sharp zodiac
I think I was gonna play more duviri but my power went out
coarse birch
😔
nimble fiber
where did it go and when will it come back?
sharp zodiac
where did it go and when will it come back?
I'd give it another hour
Then I have to get a wolf mother and then consume her
left iron
The worst hes conjured for me was finnlaidicuye lyfe sheets
sharp zodiac
Not in an odd way
nimble fiber
whatever floats your boat
coarse birch
No generator?
sharp zodiac
Nope
coarse birch
F
sharp zodiac
Good enough time to search the weird closet in the closet
nimble fiber
narnia?
coarse birch
Dont die
sharp zodiac
No not that kinw
frozen glen
The worst hes conjured for me was finnlaidicuye lyfe sheets
redbheyeigo from drunk stan 😐
coarse birch
I think whip boy was the worst he called me although it was an attempt at weather boy
fleet zealot
forbidden user d*rcy called me a syndrome person
polar nexus
forbidden user d*rcy called me a syndrome person
the pot calling the kettle black
void bison
maiden path
left iron
redbheyeigo from drunk stan 😐
I dont think he was drunk when he gave me that one
half fog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJV4pQCrRC0
I saw those guys a few weeks back
good gig, brothers of metal were better tho 😉
elfin steppe
dense field
https://streamable.com/nc7fzj
The appropriate response to that is swatting
dense field
this is why we should kill redverse https://streamable.com/25m4xc
and to this
south folio
so true
fading vale
no this is why you can't trust red https://streamable.com/0ogn1d
dense field
I'd disown my daughter if she ever did something like that on purpose ngl
fading vale
I'd disown my children if they became cod console gamers and liked to melee
dense field
Deserved
left iron
this is why we should kill redverse https://streamable.com/25m4xc
Now watch this from a different angle
Iirc this was the first time i played with any of you
coarse birch
level 147 kronk
vocal pulsar
Shouldve killed him while he was young
ripe quest
no this is why you can't trust red https://streamable.com/0ogn1d
Dude it sounds like a snippet of a Zach scream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHcIHiqyrOE
fading vale
Dude it sounds like a snippet of a Zach scream https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w...
that was me btw
people have said half life scientist before lol
ripe quest
Truly incredible.
coarse birch
no this is why you can't trust red https://streamable.com/0ogn1d
this exact barrel has killed me
red was not the cause though
frozen glen
wtf
red pollen
Played with a Fatshark tester
red pollen
Two roads diverged in a wood and I took the path less traveled by and that has made all the difference (I died)
elfin steppe
Literally lived 10 seconds.
left iron
Shouldve killed him while he was young
He, uh
Wasnt having a great time when i was on the team later on
He started it
This is a bit later
Like a month, maybe?
coarse birch
Damn maybe there is a reason josho barreled people
elfin steppe
I hate this node
north sedge
backstabber is great
elfin steppe
Why can't they make it more general, like the other two, none of the damage nodes on the right talent tree works on chain weapon.
north sedge
pretty easy to get a backstab
fading vale
I'll take free multiplicative damage
north sedge
IMPOSSIBLE TO USE I'M AFRAID
left iron
Damn maybe there is a reason josho barreled people
He started it
quaint verge
He started it
left iron
tropic harbor
I decided to make a vraks mk iii, got this gem
coarse birch
joshos deranged laugh everytime he bursters someone doesnt help his case
frozen glen
he does that everytime all the time
coarse birch
i will admit he is more reformed no w
he has only burstered me a few times
or at least attempted it
tropic harbor
worht hanging onto just for comedy factor
I am. I regret getting rid of some of my comically bad weapons
My favorite was a hammer with a damage less than 20%. No idea if I still have it
indigo quartz
on my vet
I have the starter shovel and lasgun
upgraded to orange
just to troll people
elfin steppe
thanks to my teammates I got 200 offensive scores.
hot jolt
So why is there 40 thousand hammers?
tropic harbor
Vraks III did not give me an autowin. This weapon sucks.
hard nexus
So why is there 40 thousand hammers?
because bald people
vocal pulsar
i will admit he is more reformed no w
He is not more reformed
coarse birch
you cant deny he barrels and bursters people less
vocal pulsar
But I will play the game for hours by myself, no problems with Bursters
coarse birch
i didnt think it was that often though
tropic harbor
I've only ever played one game with Josho but I still keep getting hit by bursters. Even when I hit them with my melee weapon too. I don't get it
delicate shadow
I tend to burster myself more than anyone
vocal pulsar
But when josho is around, bursters are a major concern and I am constantly being blown up by his shameful dumbass ignorance. Chuck McGill said it best. He's like a chimp with a machine gun
Most of the time he doesn't even see the burster, because he is fucking stupid. He would give hellem fuckjng Keller a run for her money
tropic harbor
My favorite was when 3 of my teammates were shooting a burster, some dumbass runs towards it and dies because we all shot it. He then says in chat "Why would you shoot it?" and rage quit
coarse birch
Most of the time he doesn't even see the burster, because he is fucking stupid. ...
i will admit he can be oblivious to bursters on occasion
the bolter/voidstrike tends to take over his mind
void silo
is thy wrath be swfit still mandatory post patch?
north sedge
Still the goat
vocal pulsar
is thy wrath be swfit still mandatory post patch?
On 90% of builds yeah
void silo
gotcha, ty
vocal pulsar
The slower the weapon, the more you need to take twbs
void silo
tac axe?
coarse birch
On occasion? My brother its 90% of the time
ok in my defense i can only speak from experience
he has not burstered me on accident before
only on purpose
vocal pulsar
Yeah, because taxe is one of the worst melee weps in the game @void silo
It hasn't been touched
royal vortex
He is a fucking idiot monster
lmfao jfc
vocal pulsar
Where everything else has been buffed
coarse birch
mankar has been going off on you a little
vocal pulsar
vocal pulsar
I am lalo
royal vortex
u get owned by gus fring
frosty herald
vocal pulsar
u get owned by gus fring
You get owned by the justice system
void silo
Yeah, because taxe is one of the worst melee weps in the game <@9324632838128517...
but didnt tac axe get buffed back in patch 14?
hot jolt
she uncanny my strike till i crit
fleet zealot
frosty herald
they call me the sandwich
polar nexus
but didnt tac axe get buffed back in patch 14?
nope
maiden path
they call me the sandwich
vocal pulsar
but didnt tac axe get buffed back in patch 14?
Barely
fleet zealot
taxe got buffed
vocal pulsar
Tactical Axes:
● Atrox Mk II
○ Tuned up single target damage for Light 1 and Light 3
void silo
gotcha
fleet zealot
i still think thebest way to build it is decimator+headtaker
with the 3 base cleave
maybe shred for decimator?
i forgot it's finesse ratios
polar nexus
shred + headtaker is definitely valid
void silo
no BM?
polar nexus
Tactical Axes:
● Atrox Mk II
○ Tuned up single target damage for Light 1 and Lig...
it's barely noticeable and that puts it on par with taxe 7 iirc
fleet zealot
BM barely works on taxe
oneshot BP +
a swing angle good enough for it
gonna be honest most taxe swings are verticals or high angles,
polar nexus
you can do it with martyr or full stacks momentum
nut yeah, Amelia is right
you'll probably get more value by doing shred + power in a crit build, or just double power
ripe quest
gonna be honest most taxe swings are verticals or high angles,
The crowd combos on all three are fine for BM.
polar nexus
because PA is heavy on all of them and the 7 benefits the most, amirite?
ripe quest
well it depends on what you mean by benefits the most, the IV gets the most benefit to it's crowd damage from the PA out of the three.
polar nexus
because the lights do inferio dmg on the 4
fleet zealot
i think cause of how taxe is designed I'd rather go double power but idk i can't justify it any which way
there are better axes, there a better crit options
polar nexus
but what i meant is that PA > H was the crowd clearing combo
fleet zealot
it can't even hit into carapace
potent shuttle
polar nexus
and i remember the 7 being nicer to use with that combo
polar nexus
there are better axes, there a better crit options
sometime it's nice to change
polar nexus
otherwise you're like, ok i wont play anything else than plasma / ciag / crusher
fleet zealot
but right now, it's a weapon that stuns mutants with a special attack to the head, when most weapons can one tap mutant instead
polar nexus
if it hit carapace and hit unyielding more
taxe is definiterly better paired with a bolter yeah
fleet zealot
otherwise you're like, ok i wont play anything else than plasma / ciag / crusher
no, you can go down to crit dclaw, evi, chsword, or even knife
grizzled tusk
Shotgun, No Respite (dmg scaling off Stagger) - does it apply to the stagger cause by the shot itself, or does it require target to be Staggered beforehand?
polar nexus
no, you can go down to crit dclaw, evi, chsword, or even knife
i don't think current chword is a down
but yeah, that maybe a case of the crusher being more overtuned than the rest
i think the claw is in a fine place now
fleet zealot
taxe is off meta, for even beign offmeta
it needs love
maybe give it a unique feature like knife does, extra armor pen on crits?
polar nexus
that would be nice to have something different than worse caxe
polar nexus
Shotgun, No Respite (dmg scaling off Stagger) - does it apply to the stagger cau...
iirc it starts with the second shot
because the first will stagger the target
@ripe quest ?
ripe quest
Shotgun, No Respite (dmg scaling off Stagger) - does it apply to the stagger cau...
When you hit an enemy with a No Respite weapon, it checks how many stacks of stagger that enemy currently has. It multiplies that stack count by the % on No Respite for the damage bonus for that same shot. An untouched enemy won't get any damage from No Respite.
NR is mostly to help the Shotguns hit 2 shot BPs.
grizzled tusk
thanks! @ripe quest @polar nexus
ripe quest
maybe give it a unique feature like knife does, extra armor pen on crits?
Most weapons have ADM bonuses on a crit.
fleet zealot
Most weapons have ADM bonuses on a crit.
yee, i'm saying boost it up more
just for taxe
ripe quest
It's already pretty high for Unyielding.
polar nexus
When you hit an enemy with a No Respite weapon, it checks how many stacks of sta...
coming from every source?
like if i throw a nade beforehand and then shoot...
ripe quest
Yeah any source at all, if an enemy has stagger stacks from anything when you hit it you get the damage bonus.
Stuns work but they have a weird stack reset thing going on.
Most grenades will just apply 1 stack of stagger.
polar nexus
oh, i should think about that with my vet
frozen glen
what if you throw 2 grenades
polar nexus
2 stacks?
fading vale
what if you have 2 zealots and throw 6 grenades
ripe quest
from what I can tell the effects of a stun grenade don't stack
if they do the stack reset thing is a global issue
frozen glen
stun grenades stack stun additively up to 50s
polar nexus
stun grenades stack stun additively up to 50s
wait, what?
frozen glen
no
polar nexus
i've been had
fading vale
it's like when you stack fire nades and each subsequent nade makes it do 10x damage
polar nexus
frozen glen
grizzled tusk
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?
fading vale
remember when muties couldn't use stairs
polar nexus
that was a long time ago, no?
coarse birch
and when they nerfed muties so they were actually just incapable of grabbing you
fading vale
it was when they first nerfed muties to be absolutely useless
much like now except worse
#MMGA
coarse birch
yeah muties now are still kinda sad but it doesnt help we can just one shot them easily
ripe quest
@fleet zealot If you want a look at Shred's effectiveness for Taxe heavies and PAs, here it is. First number is a crit compared to a body hit, second is a crit weakspot compared to a weakspot. These are raw damage increases.
Unarmored, Infested, Maniac is 16%, 6%.
Flak is 24.5%, 13%.
Carapace is 40%, 28%.
and Unyielding is 25%, 14%.
fading vale
so what you are saying is that headtaker is just better
fading vale
yeah muties now are still kinda sad but it doesnt help we can just one shot them...
well that's the majority of the current issue, every weapon obliterates them for free
north sedge
Shattering impact though
polar nexus
much like now except worse
oh god that's waaaaaay back
ripe quest
so what you are saying is that headtaker is just better
In a way yeah. I personally go for Decimator on the Mk II though, since I can actually rely on the hitboxes being decently consistent.
polar nexus
they fixed dogs too and then it was way worse the patch just after
ripe quest
The VII with Decimator has some really solid performance on-paper but also you need to like, chain hits with a H1 PA combo and not drop anything
Headtaker just makes that way more consistent.
polar nexus
decimator is kinda pain
fading vale
I'm sure deci probably averages close to headtaker if not over on a taxe
at least without hit reg issues
ripe quest
From what I've tested a Headtaker BM Mk VII puts out about the same numbers as a Decimator BM Mk II for crowds
assuming perfect hits on both ends obv
fading vale
I just don't understand the point of having a caxe but worse in the game
fleet zealot
so what ist he difference ebtween subbing out bm for both power blessings
well taxes are supposed to be faster
and synergize better with crit
and uhh
polar nexus
better mobility too
fleet zealot
that's about it
ripe quest
I haven't tested double power on a Taxe just yet.
fading vale
"supposed to"
fleet zealot
faster falls under mobility and swing speed
polar nexus
but caxe mobility is not bad at all
ripe quest
I just don't understand the point of having a caxe but worse in the game
That's just BM warping the balance of the weapon.
fading vale
caxe just 1 shotting everything with lights
ripe quest
If BM wasn't as potent as it is we'd actually have two pretty balanced weapon families.
fleet zealot
yee, is a little slow off zealot and no attack speed bonuses but, it's not slow enough to make you want to take caxe isntead
honestly
taxe could have old BM
and be fine
ripe quest
imo just make it a mechanic and make the mechanic rely on a 2nd cleave value instead of a proc cap and put it on the Caxe.
fleet zealot
it wouldn't even make it meta
fading vale
old BM is dumb
north sedge
no buffs only nerfs please
fading vale
new BM is dumb
fleet zealot
well it's a battle between dumb and dumber
old bm didn't break taxe but it did make it viable enough
fading vale
in no world should you ever take a 0 cleave weapon and be like hmm how about ignoring cleave
ripe quest
no buffs only nerfs please
well see my vision loopholes this by buffing the base weapon and allowing for 2 power blessings instead of 1 power and BM.
north sedge
well see my vision loopholes this by buffing the base weapon and allowing for 2 ...
shh i am channeling the dumbs
ripe quest
I don't think unlimited cleave is healthy for game balance
even if it's on just a Taxe.
ripe quest
smth like that should be a reward for a stupid setup at the very most
fleet zealot
im not even saying as a permanent solution
fading vale
even though people are incapable of using a flamer somehow
coarse birch
yeah anything with infinite cleave is just dumb
or even essentially infinite
like its just ignoring a game mechanic
ripe quest
I would include flamer in infinite cleave being dumb
imo it should just obey armor stop rules so Crushers actually become a problem for it.
fading vale
after all flamer = evis