zealot-class

[sterile basalt]

Plasma & Boltgun are the only veteran guns that really need to think about ammo economy rn

[coarse birch]

its ranged CC is good

[fair flax]

That's my point :/

[polar nexus]

i prefer mf with revolver

[south folio]

and let's just say that the melee in this game is not lacking

[coarse birch]

and you have 2 other weapons

[fair flax]

Ya'll are whining lol

[fading vale]

nah dude if you aren't using void jump tech are you even voiding

[lusty turtle]

nothing at all, its got big pen so it can hit multiple targets, its got easy crit and rending access, its accurate and has no damage drop off due to rending interacting with distance damage, it has a quick draw time, high suppression

[south folio]

i mean i suppose we are whining

but the game is really just too easy

[tropic harbor]

That's just the zealot curving bullets with FAITH

[south folio]

the revolver can clean up the dangerous enemies and you've got your melee once things are safe

[coarse birch]

yeah the game is meant to be difficult

[fading vale]

well they keep putting dumb OP shit in it

[fair flax]

You can do the same thing a Revolver does with a Bolter. You can do the same thing as a flamer with an evicerator, etc. It's all trade-offs. Most things are viabvle not not much is op. If anything at all.

[south folio]

also, vet having a keystone that offsets the revolver's weakness

[fading vale]

no

[fair flax]

Yes

[south folio]

are you assuming that the bolter is weak in this example?

[fair flax]

Straight up, yes

[south folio]

alright then

[lusty turtle]

no the revolver out performs the bolter shot per shot

[south folio]

interesting take

[coarse birch]

yeah what

[ripe quest]

Assuming Survivalist, Plasma Gun just a bit but probs not Boltgun. On Zealot you might run into ammo issues since you cannot lean into the 1 shots as well but you can still go ammo neutral against a good amount of elites and def specials.

[frozen glen]

its a pve game we should only keep buffing weapons

[coarse birch]

true

[frozen glen]

SHUIt up yoshi

[coarse birch]

put me at victory screen right away

[fading vale]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hate-you-anakin-star-wars-gif-10358450

[south folio]

and you can't quite do the same thing as the flamer with the evis

[tropic harbor]

Revolver is nice because it can kill things with one shot like the bolter does.

[fading vale]

flamer and evis are the same weapon btw

[fair flax]

Yeah I'm done, you're whining way too much about personal opinions. Toxic gamer stuff, not interested.

[polar nexus]

not against a boss

[south folio]

because the flamer has infinite cleave and exceptional synergy with fury of the faithful for deathballs

wha

[fading vale]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-ugly-mirror-witch-gif-4388618

[lusty turtle]

thats what we'd like to believe and wish it be

[coarse birch]

alright man lmfao

[tropic harbor]

I tend to think of ranged in terms of "can it kill something in one hit?" and "Can I ammo dump it to solve my problems?"

[frozen glen]

arCgoooooo stash

[south folio]

you can simply leave the convo if you don't have anything to add to the conversation instead of generalizing what we're saying as just whining and toxic gamer stuff

[sterile basalt]

That’s what I mean, those are the only 2 that need to think abt ammo econ a bit

[fading vale]

why are all the people that call everyone toxic the most toxic people 100% of the time

[south folio]

OwO

[polar nexus]

man, everytime it's not a bonbon it's kinda painful

[frozen glen]

arcoooooooooooooooo

i lovvvvvvvvvuuuueee

[coarse birch]

no dude stating your opinion and defending it is toxic

[buoyant pecan]

untrue

[south folio]

unfortunately, my perceptive eye sees through your lies

[coarse birch]

how am i supposed to clear malice without plasma gun

[fading vale]

anyways

[drifting wolf]

projection

[polar nexus]

revolver might be op, but it's still not in the same league as plasma

[fading vale]

anyone played deep rock survivors

[coarse birch]

not yet

[frozen glen]

i have

[lusty turtle]

no, its not, but that wasn't the discussion

[fading vale]

it is surprisingly difficult

[south folio]

the varying levels of overtuned

[ripe quest]

I was so sad w/ Gunner.

[royal vortex]

just remember the bolter is aggressively mid

[tropic harbor]

I think the revolver would be better if we had more special issue ammunition. Lucky for us, the heretics have two trains full of the stuff. Your mission? Get in there and steal the goods.

[ripe quest]

The minigun got gimped so hard

[coarse birch]

plasma should also not be the bar to be nerf worthy

[lusty turtle]

revolver bad

[frozen glen]

i want them to change base driller's weapon from the subata

that thign SUCKS

[coarse birch]

plasma is far past that

[fading vale]

I like gunner but the aiming is frustrating

[drifting wolf]

i'm just kind of waiting for that other deep rock game rn

[south folio]

i can't believe i have to reload (after i've killed every meaningful threat)

[sharp zodiac]

Damn

[ripe quest]

the directional weapons are just kinda lame to use

[fading vale]

I been doing the status effect driller and I keep getting killed on stage 5

[sterile basalt]

Plasma most definitely needs lower cleave on uncharged shots

And maybe cost more ammo with uncharged shot since the breakpoints are pretty important to that gun

[frozen glen]

pls remove the subata

[fading vale]

I have a moment of greed

[tropic harbor]

Revolver not meta? but.... I actually like it.

[ripe quest]

Like if it's directional it should be smth where I aim it, not be at the mercy of it.

[frozen glen]

plspslspsplsplsplsps

[frosty herald]

Second person

[fading vale]

it might be easier on controller but yeah I wish I could point it

some of my most busted runs have been gunner somehow

[frozen glen]

waiting for deep rock tide

[ripe quest]

Even if it's just, moving the aim cone around I just want some control over it

most of mine have been on Scout or Driller

[fading vale]

also engi with plasma lmg turrets

[lusty turtle]

welcome to vampire surivor style games, the only one with aiming i've seen is the vtuber one

[ripe quest]

20 minutes til dawn has it too

[fading vale]

that's fine and all, but not this implementation

[sterile basalt]

If plasma uncharged shots had limited (maybe 12) cleave and costed 4 ammo instead of 3 I think it would be enough

[ripe quest]

and it so happens that my favorite two games from the genre are hololive and 20 minutes so I might have a bias.

[fading vale]

what if instead idk, lemme see what numbers I can press, oh how about 50

[lusty turtle]

plasma uncharged should be 10 cleave

at most

[sterile basalt]

10 cleave means cannot penetrate scab ragers

[coarse birch]

i just want a reason to RMB

[lusty turtle]

exactly

[ripe quest]

I'd almost argue for 3.5 cleave that pierces Bulwark shields.

[south folio]

10.000000000000001 cleave

[coarse birch]

and also not 50 cleave

[lusty turtle]

if you want that elite cleave pay for it, charge

[fading vale]

do scab ragers have 10 hit mass?

[south folio]

i'm fine with the LMB not having cleave

[lusty turtle]

ye

[south folio]

cuz you can RMB to get that money

[coarse birch]

and yeah lmb not having cleave is fine

[fading vale]

damn and maniacs are 6

[coarse birch]

yeah maniacs are less than like bruisers

for some reason

[sterile basalt]

Hot take but the charged shot prob needs to be buffed lol

[lusty turtle]

[ripe quest]

I thought dreg ragers are 4

[south folio]

thank u ted

[fading vale]

pretty sure they are 6

[sterile basalt]

Dreg rager is 4

Scab rager is 10

[fading vale]

huh

[lusty turtle]

maybe a touch, but atm charged shot still 1 shots a crusher with some work, so i wanna focus on the lights

[fading vale]

alright then

have they always been 4

[ripe quest]

cuz bruisers are 2.5 and 3.5

They've been 4 for a while

[south folio]

i think they've always been 4 yeah

[fading vale]

I was under the impression it was 6 the entire time rip

[sterile basalt]

I think 11 or 12 cleave is fine for an immediate nerf to see how much it impacts its performance, and if it’s still too strong it can be dropped to 8 or 9

4 ammo per uncharged seems alright tho

[ripe quest]

imagine being an Evis user and having to deal with 12 mass dreg ragers L

[fading vale]

(not that it helps with meleeing them anyways)

[south folio]

i was under the impression it was 5 before but i never read the code

[south folio]

L

the heathens who don't know what you're talking about

[fading vale]

imagine being a hammer user vs a pack of ragers

[south folio]

grievous wound thammer meta

[ripe quest]

on the upside scab ragers are like 7.5 mass instead of 10

[sterile basalt]

They’re 10 rn

[ripe quest]

both for the Mk II H1 obv

[ripe quest]

the Mk II Evis' H1 has a 3x mod for Maniac and a 0.75x mod for Flak

[sterile basalt]

Oh pretty cool

[fading vale]

why do so few weapons have these random properties

[sterile basalt]

I didn’t play evicerators much

[royal vortex]

simply grab the crusher and faceroll the keyboard

[sterile basalt]

I mostly played combat axe / heavy sword / crusher

[south folio]

the random designer who implemented these weird complexities and didn't go through with them

[fading vale]

[ripe quest]

dw certain Hsword lights having a 0.1x mass mod for Carapace and therefore being able to hit 320 cleave against Carapace is totally understandable info that every player can access

[coarse birch]

i love turning the enemies off

[fading vale]

hsword 6 and 7 heavies have 0.25x hitmass on flak IIRC

[ripe quest]

It's not hidden under like 3 layers of misinfo, not at all

[fading vale]

I forget if lights too

[south folio]

never

i only know about it cuz of tyr's infographic that he shared a while back

[coarse birch]

surely DT wouldnt make that info hard to find

[south folio]

just know programming

it's just that shrimple

[coarse birch]

simply dig through the spaghetti code

[south folio]

the occasional misspellings make me want to die

[fading vale]

it is so hard to figure out some of the formulas in the code and where things inherit from

formulas are like 10 layers deep

[coarse birch]

things are also named differently in game and in code

[fading vale]

yep

combat blade in code is..... ogryn cleaver

[south folio]

cuz they're like variable names and are reused somewhere
and instead of correcting the spelling, they keep with using the misspelled name

[fading vale]

literally use any IDE ever

and replace

[south folio]

doding

[royal vortex]

doding

[fleet zealot]

doding

i swear the fatshark dev team

must not know english or something

[fading vale]

I think exhil posted some new blessing code and uh

[fleet zealot]

or they need to hire a code editor

[fading vale]

electrocude

[fleet zealot]

have they fixed the warp charges/souls/peril debacle

[south folio]

yeah it seems so

[fading vale]

I ain't approving merge requests with typos and you best be sure everyone is running a formatter or it's done on merge

[fleet zealot]

im actually worried

that they may never add a new term to replace swift certainity dodging

so players dont confuse it with the actual dodge mechanic

[fading vale]

I mean even then the tooltip is bad

[fleet zealot]

like, call it avoidance or evasion

[sterile basalt]

This game’s tool tips are pretty bad

[fleet zealot]

catshark did say they would pass it on to the dev team but idk, looking at this code

[violet hornet]

I saw someone post here that the latest big update was an insane number of refactors, any chance they fixed some of those variables?

[polar nexus]

Electrodude. New enemy confirmed.

[sterile basalt]

Did you know that veteran’s tag keystone had a minimum refresh value where if you kill a tagged enemy within 2s, it would reset your stacks to 2?

[violet hornet]

Gamefreak wants to know your location

[fading vale]

I think it's partly a problem of too many layers built over a long period of time too, with VT and all

[fading vale]

how about thy grenade be swift

[violet hornet]

Yeah if it's really the same core from vt1 without any overhaul that's gotta be a mess now

[coarse birch]

yeah at this point its gotta be so many layers of stuff just built up

i could see so much shit breaking

[violet hornet]

Darktide is a century old house with 15 layers of paint on it

[south folio]

i recall in vet chat that somebody thought that Determined (suppression immunity) was giving stun immunity
at least they were validated because who the fuck would expect grenade tinkerer to give stun immunity

[violet hornet]

And I'm here eating the paint chips

[sterile basalt]

That’s the most imperium of man thing ever

[fading vale]

I assumed it made sense in the context that it was stun immunity during the throw but uh

[south folio]

they were testing general stun immunity iirc

[fading vale]

maybe that was their intent

[sterile basalt]

This game is so lore-accurate even the codes fit the lore

[coarse birch]

good thing what FS intends and what happens is always the same

[polar nexus]

That was good, being stunned is so fucking bad.

[sterile basalt]

All entangled, messy and nobody knows how to fix it

That’s so IoM

[polar nexus]

I wanna play. Game: no you can't.

[elfin steppe]

[lusty turtle]

i honestly think it used to be a different talent then got changed

maybe was even vet TWBS and they binned it since vets already had suppression immunity

[polar nexus]

Iirc Crab wanted FS to hire Tyr as QC.

[fading vale]

I'd rather die than carry a 43 minute mission with people that don't kill things and die constantly

[sterile basalt]

What’s QC

[polar nexus]

Quality control

[coarse birch]

quality control

[sterile basalt]

Oh I only know QA

Mb

[coarse birch]

so all the shit we just talked about wouldnt go through

ideally

[polar nexus]

Same shit

[coarse birch]

i used to not mind

[elfin steppe]

you are probably right, I don't want to play one more game today.

[coarse birch]

i dont know how much i could do it now

[polar nexus]

I mean not the same. It's part of quality management. Both sides of the same coin.

[fading vale]

I somewhat stopped playing after I got 4 pubs in a row where I had to solo clutch for 5-10 minutes each game

[coarse birch]

i def remember one day i had to solo clutch 3 times in 3 matches and everytime they just died again

and we lost

[fading vale]

yeah I think on my last one I died just before making it

and I just felt dejected

[lusty turtle]

was one of them when u were carrying me and josho

[coarse birch]

i do enjoy solo clutching however i dont want to do it every match

who are you talking to

[fading vale]

no lol

[lusty turtle]

cause i was playing awfully and i think josho was bolter vet

[coarse birch]

i was gonna say i have not carried josho before

or you really

ive top damaged but not carried

[sterile basalt]

If I abbreviate combat axe as CBX in a guide I’m writing would I get crucified by the inquisition

[coarse birch]

i fucked up my solo clutch with josho mankar and arco the other day 😭

[south folio]

cringe

[fading vale]

it's caxe

and yes you would

[coarse birch]

in my defense those guys did spawn on top of me

[sterile basalt]

Caxe just sounds so cursed

[coarse birch]

im sorry please forgive

[fading vale]

chainsword is called chord

could be worse

[coarse birch]

i hadnt played chaxe in forever

[sterile basalt]

I abbreviate chainsword as CS4 / CS13g

[fading vale]

nope it's chord

[sterile basalt]

[royal vortex]

im so sad

[coarse birch]

youll accept chord and you will like it

[coarse birch]

relatable

[royal vortex]

with the same setup as my bolter build i just one shot a crusher with revolver

[fading vale]

vet bad

[coarse birch]

revo moment

[fading vale]

revolver not OP

[coarse birch]

josho dont turn

[fading vale]

let me tell you about my lord and savior vs crushers, the agri revolver

[south folio]

can zealot do it with duellist

[fading vale]

you need surgical and speedload

[royal vortex]

u can do it with tknives

[coarse birch]

probably

[royal vortex]

thats what matters

[coarse birch]

give revo precog

[fading vale]

to truly understand how good the agri revolver is

[royal vortex]

this is so lame

its literally just doing 3x the damage my bolter does to a crusher

[coarse birch]

i say that about a lot of DT top end weapons

[south folio]

L

[lusty turtle]

yep

[coarse birch]

but bolter can do the same thing as revo right guys

[lusty turtle]

and thats WITH me getting both cara adm and HC nerfed

[elfin steppe]

bolter needs buff

[lusty turtle]

so people thought it was dead for like a week

[frosty herald]

real

[fading vale]

TOXICITY SPOTTED

[fading vale]

not on vet

[coarse birch]

bolters fine honestly

imo

at least with vet as he is

but even on zealot it can do its job p well

[elfin steppe]

vet is already broken, we don't talk about vet.

[coarse birch]

(chastise helps)

[fading vale]

yeah vet is busted

[frosty herald]

you seem to take it very personally

[fading vale]

it's just obnoxious when clones come in and repeat the same patterns

same shit every time

[royal vortex]

there was Power Creep: The Update for vet

and it was the saddest thing ever

[frosty herald]

mhmm

[coarse birch]

i was waiting for the "you guys just play the game too much"

[royal vortex]

because vet shouldve just had some nodes removed

[coarse birch]

line

[royal vortex]

to make keystones more accessible

and they just made the tree more squished so u can just take more of the good talents

[south folio]

and practically half his nodes being at the keystone branches

[frosty herald]

some nodes should be bundled up together

stat buffs bundled with unique ones

[coarse birch]

theres also like weird bloat and then stuff being really condensed at the same time

like theres so many nodes but what

1 TDR node

2?

and it just makes up for the lack of like 4

one node just gives me stupid amounts of CDR

for playing the game

[royal vortex]

the funny thing about the 10% tdr node is u probs never take it because 0.25s off stam regen time is way stronger

so theres just 2 different pathing nodes to the marksman keystone

for no reason

[sterile basalt]

It’s kinda alr rn

[coarse birch]

i dont mind MF tree minus "turn off suppression"

which like i like cause fuck suppression but also

[royal vortex]

suppression immunity is just based

[coarse birch]

thats kinda dumb lol

[royal vortex]

if u have to pay a point tax to have fun so be it

[coarse birch]

more of a suppression should prob get reworked thing

rather than the node itself being bad

[royal vortex]

do u know what travel node competes with iron will or 5% chance to regen grenade on elite kill

[coarse birch]

toughness

[royal vortex]

10% toughness replenishment

and it leads into a 25 toughness node

why is it even there

[coarse birch]

it needed more nodes

obv

[bitter anvil]

What’s zealot base toughness?

[frosty herald]

75 i believe

[sterile basalt]

This node is competing against 2 of the strongest talents for veteran and it’s one of the worst lol

[bitter anvil]

And veteran?

[frosty herald]

uhhh

idunno

[sterile basalt]

100

[bitter anvil]

Hmmm

[frosty herald]

i do know that ogryn is 50

[bitter anvil]

Psyker like 90?

[sterile basalt]

Usually 140 base because +15 and you’d take at least one +25

[bitter anvil]

My vet like 202 toughness back to original old vet

Never go further three toughness curio

[frosty herald]

i am a bit proud of my zealot having above 300 health

is kinda funnny

[bitter anvil]

Three health curio?

[frosty herald]

yup

[bitter anvil]

Oooh risk play

[frosty herald]

its for my holy revenant build

[bitter anvil]

Right

[sterile basalt]

Usually not needed tho

[south folio]

psyker has 60 base

[sterile basalt]

160 toughness for veteran is usually enough rn

[bitter anvil]

I use this just be the tank against shooters

And gunner/reaper

Brrrrrt

[lusty turtle]

my psyker has 75

[coarse birch]

tf

why

[lusty turtle]

don't need toughness if you just crit fast enough

[coarse birch]

i am a toughness stan

[delicate shadow]

ur stan???

[coarse birch]

no

idk if thats good or bad

[lusty turtle]

hi stan

[coarse birch]

i am not stan

this is not a thing that is happening

you guys are gonna confuse real stan

[frosty herald]

you are indeed stan

[bitter anvil]

A Stan user!

[delicate shadow]

the proof is in the pudding

[coarse birch]

this is so fucked up

[delicate shadow]

[south folio]

wtf

[coarse birch]

nobody can replace stan

[frosty herald]

microwave icecream right now

[coarse birch]

i dont even have ice cream

[lusty turtle]

if you aren't running minimum possible toughness you aren't critting hard enough on psyker

[violet hornet]

Eat white goop and post about it online

Type on your phone with your two big toes

[coarse birch]

i would have to really try to type like stan

or come up with half the shit he does

[frosty herald]

eat slop

[spare dome]

yea you cant replicate stan

theres no way even his own autofill examples accurately reflect him

he is an enigma wrapped in an illusion

his appearance but the faint starlight of a universe we can never reach

[lusty turtle]

nvm its 90 on my scriers build due to pathing 😔

[coarse birch]

are you counting curios

[lusty turtle]

75 on shield psyker tho

i don't have a toughness curio on psyker

[coarse birch]

this is greatly upsetting

[lusty turtle]

2 health one stam

[void bison]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-frogs-adorable-animals-cute-gif-23044494

[south folio]

keystoneless and not even reaching the toughness nodes

[coarse birch]

i think arco still has more toughness than me

i kinda go damage on psyker

[frosty herald]

scriers gaze my beloved

[south folio]

are u really alive if you're running keystoneless and not taking all 5 toughness nodes

[lusty turtle]

na im running keystones

[buoyant pecan]

Arco beats Yoshi in a fight?

[lusty turtle]

hence 90 😔

[buoyant pecan]

confirmed more tough

[south folio]

cringe

[spare dome]

all toughness nodes, all toughness dr nodes

[coarse birch]

true

[south folio]

so true

[coarse birch]

i would beat arco

[lusty turtle]

but i have warp charge shield loadout that has 75 toughness

[south folio]

cringe

[lusty turtle]

cause warp charge doesn't have an in line toughness node

[south folio]

it should doesn't it

all three branches have a +15 toughness node

[coarse birch]

i think at the top ye

by PC

[south folio]

90 toughness binch

[coarse birch]

why do you just have a screenshot of that

[lusty turtle]

as there a 2nd smoll node? i though it was just toughness dr on warp charge

[south folio]

i just loaded it up

[lusty turtle]

thats cringe, i don't need toughness 😤

[south folio]

it's right above the warp sipon node

you're cringe

and i'm based

[coarse birch]

i take toughness cause toughness is based

and fuck being out of toughness vs shooters

[south folio]

i used to run a keystoneless 5x +15 toughness talent tree

[coarse birch]

i do remember that

[south folio]

the good ol' days of 225 toughness on psyker

[bitter anvil]

lol

Yeah

[lusty turtle]

just crit harder 5head

[coarse birch]

i take crit builds 😭

[lusty turtle]

start believing, become shooter immune

[bitter anvil]

And 320 veteran toughness

[coarse birch]

i think that was pre arco playing vet

he was not mk6 psword pilled yet

[south folio]

the good ol' days

back when i was yet to be corrupted

[coarse birch]

the arco we know and love is but a distant memory

[south folio]

buy me my god damn cigarettes

[lusty turtle]

now he plays chaxe zealot 😔

[bitter anvil]

Whats acro past like?

[coarse birch]

he was pure

[bitter anvil]

Pure what?

[coarse birch]

a trauma illisi psyker

[bitter anvil]

Huh

[coarse birch]

pre patch 13 at least

[coarse birch]

no

[south folio]

yes

[bitter anvil]

Did he changed himself after patch 13?

[ripe quest]

please tell me you run 3x TRS on your curios to maximize the effectiveness of low toughness.

[frozen glen]

past arco had this unfortunate habit of being barreled

he still does

[coarse birch]

that too

[south folio]

you fucker

you're the one who barreled me

[frozen glen]

idk what ur talking about

[bitter anvil]

Barrel him again

[south folio]

you will die

[lusty turtle]

i don't even know if my psyker has orange curios

[coarse birch]

let the record show i have not barrelled arco

[south folio]

i can tell that you play a lot of psyker

[ripe quest]

idk man you're missing out on 15% toughness per second for just being away from enemies in melee range

[coarse birch]

my ogryn doesnt have orange curios

[lusty turtle]

i play psyker when funny crit dueling sword calls for me

[coarse birch]

it will stay that way until the class doesnt give me a headache

[bitter anvil]

Remind me warframe player run low shield modifier

[sterile basalt]

What does TRS stand for again? Toughness regen speed?

[ripe quest]

mhm

[lusty turtle]

ye

i think my psyker might have XP curios

[bitter anvil]

[south folio]

relay station toughness regen speed 150

[ripe quest]

It's normally a bit ehh, it has a weird niche but it gets really potent if you have horrible Toughness values.

[buoyant pecan]

[coarse birch]

skele has some truly cursed loadouts

[lusty turtle]

i have horrible toughness cause i'm running the dodge state when critting and dueling sword

[ripe quest]

Hence why sometimes it's not the worst thing for Ogryn to run if they have 3x health curios since they got that crisp 50 base toughness

[lusty turtle]

if i get hit thats my fault

[buoyant pecan]

finally someone owns up to it

[lusty turtle]

it just means i wasn't critting hard enough

thats why all my psyker gear has +crit chance on it 😤

[coarse birch]

do you run riposte too

[lusty turtle]

is that the toughness on crit one? (i don't know psyker talent names)

[coarse birch]

no its the DS blessing

+crit chance on dodge for like 5 seconds

[south folio]

i can see that you play knife/duelling sword a lot

[lusty turtle]

i think on one of the DS i have ye

[coarse birch]

its not bad actually

[bitter anvil]

Empathic evasion?

[coarse birch]

i just like precog

evasion is counting as dodged against ranged on crit

[lusty turtle]

i don't play knife, but DS is the only psyker exclusive melee i like

[bitter anvil]

Oh I didn’t read carefully

[lusty turtle]

Force swords not having PA is cringe

[coarse birch]

it is cringe

[bitter anvil]

What PA?

[coarse birch]

luckily illisi special tickles my brain and deimos murders everything

and fills the role i need it to very nicely

[lusty turtle]

also this was bait, i don't run crit chance

[ripe quest]

push attack

[lusty turtle]

i have enough crit to get by

[bitter anvil]

[coarse birch]

well i cant tell with you sometimes

[coarse birch]

arco is too much of a meta slave to run anything funny

you run w/e lol

[ripe quest]

@south folio

[lusty turtle]

look, i'm crazy but even i have standards

[south folio]

an orbital laser has been directed at yoshi's location

[lusty turtle]

i only run crit chance on ogryn because when im playing ogryn i literally couldnt care less

[ripe quest]

o7

[lusty turtle]

🫡

[south folio]

can't believe yoshi died in an accident involving a branch falling onto his head

[coarse birch]

listen here you dumbo dingus

[bitter anvil]

Have acro in past didn’t run meta?

[coarse birch]

i know you know you are a meta slave

[south folio]

can't believe that the only thing left of him are ashes and a massive crater at the location of his home

[coarse birch]

im not home rn

stupid

[bitter anvil]

At work

[south folio]

i don't think i've ever run non-meta stuff before patch 13 besides when i was starting out

[lusty turtle]

arco have u run shovel yet

[south folio]

cuz i used to run 3x stamina curios back when they were all bugged to give only +1 stamina

[coarse birch]

i like technically run the meta

but it depends on what you call the meta

[south folio]

nah i haven't played shovel or darktide much yet

[coarse birch]

wym or darktide

[bitter anvil]

He just like me (doesn’t play Darktide) spend time chatting

[stable cypress]

The meta is killing shit and not getting disabled or falling off a cliff

[south folio]

so true

[coarse birch]

i play darktide and then complain in chat about darktide while sitting in mourningstar

[south folio]

playing my shovel which has guitar strings attached to it

he HATES darktide

[coarse birch]

i like it so much

but my one match today was an ogryn abusing kickback bug

and im still mad at him

[bitter anvil]

Add guitar as melee weapon

[lusty turtle]

real

[coarse birch]

and nobody is playing

so i am debating playing something else or doing more pubs

[south folio]

tragic

[bitter anvil]

Kickback bug with Gunlugger lucky bullet?

[lusty turtle]

sry was doing a run of grim dawn with a friend today

😔

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/interstellar-crying-gif-25949281

[coarse birch]

unbelievable

[south folio]

talking about darktide instead of playing darktide? cringe

[coarse birch]

all my friends hate me

[south folio]

so true

we HATE yoshi

[lusty turtle]

so true

[bitter anvil]

My friend told me Darktide is better when I used to play vt2 then I brought the Darktide and my friend play helldiver 2 instead.

[frozen glen]

yoshi killed my whole family

[coarse birch]

hey that was a good movie

damn red i havent even done anything to you

[frozen glen]

ur sin against me is existing

[coarse birch]

also i think rebders might still be the best stan name

[ripe quest]

there are words I could say but Mr. Bones is here so I have to refrain.

[frosty herald]

They put out a bounty in HD2

[south folio]

i liked the one with "Rob"

[coarse birch]

what are you implying

[frosty herald]

10k sc for hunting down gantzthedemon

[ripe quest]

something something me turning your intestines into one of these reels and watching you but that's too much for chat rn.

[coarse birch]

I take it you didnt like that movie

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/yapping-yapping-level-today-catastrophic-yapanese-gif-13513208407930173397

[ripe quest]

Could go either way with that one.

[frosty herald]

The yappinator over here

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-shadows-of-the-erdtree-elden-ring-shadows-of-the-erdtree-elden-ring-dlc-dlc-gif-16258462848833943106

[sharp zodiac]

Both of these skins are nice, shame I can only get one

Probably gonna get the sentient look

[red pollen]

Headtaker or Deathblow

[red pollen]

Literally where do you think you are

I’m 99% convinced that all the helldivers and [insert any other game] posts in specific Darktide channels are just marketing teams for other games using the most unethical techniques possible to lure people to buying their game

[sharp zodiac]

This is zel chat, mods don't really care if I'm offtopic because this chat is 50/50 on topic. And offtopic

[red pollen]

I’ve noticed

I’d give it more 95 off 5 on topic

And on Fatshark forums and Reddit when I see a comment like “ask the discord” I just laugh a little because that’s unironically the worst place to talk about Darktide lately

[buoyant pecan]

dude you go to the reddit for advice?

[red pollen]

I don’t have a Reddit account so no

But I lurk for news

[prisma sigil]

Genuinely the Discord is so negative

[fleet zealot]

on topic doesnt matter

[red pollen]

I just said the comments

[fleet zealot]

we just have the right info

[red pollen]

Always suggest people to use the discord for specific advice or to find teams

[fleet zealot]

youtuber and games lantern suck

[red pollen]

There is no advice or teams finding on this discord

[fleet zealot]

wdym

[buoyant pecan]

The redditors say crazy shit like "4 target cap on new evis makes it horrible"

[fleet zealot]

we have #vox-lfg-lexicanum

and you can literally ask us any question and if no one is online just ask 4 hours later

we pause every off topic to help people with questions here

[fleet zealot]

tbh HT

i'd test it cause the typical is HT deathblow

i dont know how rampage deathblow functions

[red pollen]

Is rampage giving power a bug

Or dated wording

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/maybe-gif-12591689151970696880

[buoyant pecan]

But ultimately the game has just been out for so long and its honestly not that deep, theres nothing new for us to talk about in regards to the game.

[fleet zealot]

no idea tbh but rn it's power

HT just gives consistency to go from smacking less than 3 to chopping off 4 heads

i just don't get people who are so anti social/easily scared they see some off topic convo here and decide not to type and just leave

like grow up and just type it out

[red pollen]

Idk who does that

I type whatever I want when I’m inclined to

[fleet zealot]

we have had it multiple times

[red pollen]

Gonna try headtaker next game see how it feels

Very very rarely do I see three ragers packed so close together that headtaker would have let me kill them all in one swing so I lean towards the consistent overall power boost

[fleet zealot]

in general headtaker rampage is for fodder clear

deathblow lets you kill 4 ragers in one swing

but idk if you can consistently do that with just rampage

[red pollen]

Why do you suppose there’s so few blessings for heavy sword

Would be nice to see a shred or something with crit synergy

[fleet zealot]

idk

i'd rather them nerf crit first

heavy sword can already technically abuse crit cause of how stupid it is now

[red pollen]

It’s satisfying to spam chastise 10 times a minute and doesn’t help the sword deal with crushers maulers and bosses at all so I don’t feel it’s abusing a mechanic

Rather just leaning all the way into its strength while leaving its weaknesses

[fleet zealot]

10 times a minute

try 30+ times

[red pollen]

Yeah true lol

I just started using the crusher to try the skin and even without any crit synergy it feels easier to clutch with though

Feels very similar to heavy sword oddly

With the same weaknesses but tons of stagger to compensate

One of my first games with crusher granted the clip doesn’t use it much but it is insanely mobile for a giant boulder on a stick

[frosty herald]

So much speed...

Nyoom

[lusty turtle]

Intended

[coarse birch]

i love warren end event rager spam 🙂

although honestly this whole match really liked ragers for some reason

[vocal pulsar]

What are you hiding

No overkill stat?

Suspicious

[coarse birch]

i had to take it off so that the scoreboard would fit

my overkill would probs be dumb though

i am running bolter

[fading vale]

removing the most important damage stat smh

[vocal pulsar]

I know you had the highest overkill

[coarse birch]

possibly, it was 2 shovel ogryns though

i likely had a lot

[elfin steppe]

First time I got almost 900 plasteel

[fading vale]

where's contra when you need him

[coarse birch]

true

also ogryn teammates that didnt make me wanna fucking shoot myself

a miracle

apparently that one guy was struggling though i didnt realize

[fading vale]

Stomach cat

[fleet zealot]

you are finding ogryns that aren't abusing the lucky bullet bug?

[vocal pulsar]

Josho and I played with one a few hours ago

[frozen glen]

hngghnhgnghnhgngh dps hgnghngnhgnghn RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[vocal pulsar]

He just blinded us, knocked everything to the ground, made it difficult to hear shit and did less damage than either of us

[fleet zealot]

every gmae i've done with an ogryn is just non stop explosives

[south folio]

OwO

[vocal pulsar]

https://youtu.be/K8_pbmdyh48?si=Xinf0Ip1owa9JhF1

[sharp zodiac]

I bought the sentient look

Is that shrek

[frozen glen]

go away luna

[sharp zodiac]

Make me

[frozen glen]

🥕 🥬 🥦 🍆 🫑

[south folio]

OOOOOOOOOOwOOOOOOOOOOOO

[sharp zodiac]

It's gonna take more than greens this time

[fading vale]

https://tenor.com/view/make-me-master-chief-pablo-schreiber-halo-try-me-gif-25547807

[frozen glen]

🍆 💦 💦

[fleet zealot]

@hushed knoll

for everyone else, warning german

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/german-fortnite-ja-cola-yippiee-robbo-gif-19576292

[junior vortex]

That's what they meant by zealot chat is weird.

[fleet zealot]

we need to filter the people with bad opinions

[junior vortex]

At least we aren't a deathcult zealot.

[fleet zealot]

people with bad opinions often can't handle the random nonsense

[covert sail]

Which mod is this? The generic scoreboard mod from nexus that comes up on google has posts saying it's out of date and doesn';t work anymore?

[junior vortex]

Death Cults got the worst zealots.

At least we're not willingly cannibals, and crazy psychos who do more then burn people.

I think?

[fleet zealot]

uhh the stealth tree is death cult assassin

right is preacher, middle is banisher

[fair flax]

Meh stealth zealot imo is dull

[junior vortex]

The Ecclesiarch doesn't much like deathcults.

[fleet zealot]

the inquisition does when it is a reject they can throw into the enemy lines

[ripe quest]

That's ovenproof's scoreboard plugin.

[junior vortex]

I mean but death cults have some efficient killers.

[covert sail]

how do i get that

[fair flax]

Personally, I'm all about the dodge build Zealot

[ripe quest]

The Nexus page, has all of the mods for this game.

[junior vortex]

Nah sneaking up on crushers is funny.

[covert sail]

Oh it's the Power DI's one?

[junior vortex]

But the stealth is mostly to slip past it doesn't stop you from getting spotted not the point.

Stealth just buys times for yourself to get enemies sneaking up on snipers and gunners isn't that useless.

[fair flax]

To save time use a Nexus collection, then select in Vortex check of undates and download the new files. After make sure you run the mod loader through Vortex, launch the game through vortex and adjust mod settings in the menu

[ripe quest]

No, that's a way more sophisticated tool that isn't for general use.

[junior vortex]

If you don't want to dodge a sniper in a horde stealth is the way to go sneak past kill them.

[ripe quest]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide

You can just install mods and drop them into the mod folder once you've patched your game

[junior vortex]

The knife with rending pairs well with zealot.

[ripe quest]

mega easy

[junior vortex]

I don't exactly trust nexus.

[fair flax]

I'm definitely not saying stealth sucks or it's bad or whatever. I recognize it's good. I personally just don't like playing that way 😦

Though I do get that tree's capstone and backstab cdr

[covert sail]

Do i only need the Darktide Mod loader to start adding mods or do iu need the mod framework too?

[junior vortex]

Stealth is just very niche, but satisfying to get a rending backstab.

On crushers a backstab plus rending is actually pretty nice.

[south folio]

you'll need both
I'd search up a guide on how to install mods to get started

[fair flax]

laughs in God roll Bolter

[ripe quest]

These are the main two. Here's the installation guide: https://dmf-docs.darkti.de/index#/installing-mods

[junior vortex]

Guns are for weaklings.

[fair flax]

xDDD

[junior vortex]

Who needs a gun with a good stab or slash to your neck.

[fair flax]

I like the eviscerator for that

[junior vortex]

Watching heretics choke on their own blood.

[fair flax]

dodge circle the enmy, spaming fury, getting mass cdr...it's nasty

[junior vortex]

With a puny knife to humiliate them for betraying the Emperor.

[ripe quest]

Chainsword would be better for smth like that

if you're looking for crit CDR

[junior vortex]

Combat Knives definitely have better choices.

[ripe quest]

no compared to an Evis

[fair flax]

I prefer the eviscarator due to it's angle attack. Works better with dodging if you do it right.

[junior vortex]

But with the +80 rending backstab it's great.

[ripe quest]

Knife has a different pros and cons list.

[fair flax]

Cuz u get this gigantic horizontal slash

[ripe quest]

wdym by angle attack

[junior vortex]

But on psyker the dueling sword is just a better replacement for knife.

I wish Zealot had a in between weapon like that.

[south folio]

tbf zealot has the crit chance and duellist that cranks up the knife's value

[ripe quest]

Well like, DS and Uncanny in general are overperforming

[fair flax]

So when u normal attack with the evisc it has a slight angle but if you dodge and attack at the same time, it sweeps that angle and u hit everything on ur screen, basically

[junior vortex]

I would prefer more curved blades.

[ripe quest]

Chainsword has angled sweep heavies. I don't see how that's any different.

And the reach difference is super marginal

(fatshark moment)

[fair flax]

to each their own, u could do chainaxe too if you want

[junior vortex]

I would want a scythe for zealot.

[ripe quest]

Chainaxe has garbage horde damage, akin to the Mk XV Evis

Chainsword on the other hand has some of the best performance against crowds.

Martyr setups rival Flamer for benchmarks.

[fleet zealot]

i'd get animation events too

[junior vortex]

I would prefer a death cult curved dagger.

[fair flax]

Martyr means flirting with death too much for my liking.

[junior vortex]

They are cool.

[fleet zealot]

more than worth it

the attack speed and toughness DR help a ton with staying alive

[south folio]

zealot has until death & holy rev to offset the risk

[fleet zealot]

throw in bleed for the emperor and HR and even "restoring faith"

[ripe quest]

It doesn't need Martyr to get absurd performance I'm using that as an example to show how absurd Chainsword is by default. Nothing should be even close to rivaling an unlimited cleave Flamer for horde damage and yet Chainsword can.

[fleet zealot]

easy the tankiest class in the game

[south folio]

maybe if you stacked 1000 poxwalkers on top of each other

(very realistic scenario)

[fair flax]

I prefer to sustain over that, I go for a hybrid build instead. Dodge + Fury/Incendiary + Backstab capstone and CDR

[south folio]

(i'm sure your computer can handle it)

[ripe quest]

Haha Crusher, L

unlimited cleave L1

[junior vortex]

Just give me double daggers.

I don't want a combat knife.

[ripe quest]

Yeah Chainsword is perfect for smth like that. Has decent crit synergy as well.

good dodges too

though the distance is the same as the Mk II Evis last I checked.

[fair flax]

Eviscerator for me though! It's a gooder

Have momentum 3 and Savage Sweep 4 on it

Fishing for a better version atm with farming mats, already have my god roll bolter

[ripe quest]

What Mk are you running?

[fair flax]

1 sec let me check

was playing sc2, have to launch to check

[ripe quest]

It doesn't matter too much, just a weird roll in general for differing reasons between the two variants.

[junior vortex]

I would like a deathcult spiked blade.

[fair flax]

I think it's super old, I've had this thing forever. I just modified it to what it is now

[junior vortex]

Like a curved spiked blade.

[fair flax]

MK2

Bolter is shattering impact 4, pinning fire 4

[red pollen]

Back on this I tested it in auric damnation HT and it’s a massive detriment to replace headtaker with deathblow on heavy sword

Rampage headtaker is insane

[fair flax]

bolter has 25% dmg to carapace and unyielding too lolz

[fading vale]

cavalcade is considered better than shattering now

for zealot

[fair flax]

hmmm

[fading vale]

shattering got a silent nerf

each shot is 10% rending debuff now and not 20%

also the finesse buff

[fair flax]

That's not a big deal, I use it with a bolter. I blast a mag at high priority stuff or empty a clip into a hallway

same diff to me

It's my boss/monstrosity/elite killer, basically

[fading vale]

shattering is only gonna do something vs crushers more or less

[fair flax]

I've had it work super great vs everything. It basically applies a vulnerability to the target, no? Everyone can use that to their advantage.

[south folio]

I have zero trust in my teammates

[coarse birch]

same

[fair flax]

Meh, I tag my targets and I usually do stuff like assassination missions or speed run the twins.

[fading vale]

it is a debuff, but as far as buffing the damage of your bolter, armor types other than carapace get max 10% damage after 4 shots

sure for something specifically like the twins

[south folio]

also teammates aren't going to play around debuffs you apply unless you're communicating it

cuz it's not intuitive to do something like shooting crushers with most guns

[fair flax]

I run it on missions too, there's just a time and a place to use it.

[south folio]

and if you're running fury of the faithful, shattering is doubly useless

[fair flax]

Why?

[fleet zealot]

yee

[fading vale]

it was better when bolter wasn't a crit weapon and it did more per shot

[fleet zealot]

i figured it would end up like that

headtaker+deahtblow the best

[fading vale]

cause armor downgrade when you chastise crushers

[fair flax]

But that's only one function, you get to spam fury. Doesn't mean you derp around and do bad things. xD

It's like a barrel

A barrel is nice but if you stand beside it and then blow it up, not so great

[fading vale]

I don't really understand what you just said, but chastise makes your ranged weapon treat cara as flak for 3 seconds and flak as unarmored

[south folio]

fury doesn't have any downsides like the barrel

and is In your control to activate at will

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/mju5zg

[south folio]

when you activate fury, your ranged weapon gets armour downgrade

[royal vortex]

this is done w/o shattering impact

[fair flax]

So, when you fury, outside of very specific situations, don't use the bolter?

[south folio]

aka, carapace uses flak ADMs, flak uses unarmored ADMS

[fair flax]

I mean, it's a situational play

[royal vortex]

if you ever want to shoot a crusher with any gun on zealot you chastise

[south folio]

no, it's when you fury WITH bolter

[royal vortex]

it's actually one of the least situational usages because chastising is always a massive damage bump for ranged weapons vs carapace

[fair flax]

The solution is to just not do that them unless the situation calls for it

[south folio]

wha

[fair flax]

then*

[north sedge]

actually, it's drippings

[south folio]

but we are talking about such situations

[royal vortex]

you will net much higher carapace damage running cavalcade/pf and chastising to deal with crusher packs

[south folio]

a situation where you need to magdump in the first place

[fair flax]

Yeah but why would you do that anti synergy unless it's a situation where you just gotta anyhow?

[royal vortex]

what

[south folio]

what anti synergy

[fading vale]

anti synergy?

[south folio]

bolter gets the armour downgrade from fury

and shattering impact has reduced effectiveness

[fair flax]

Exactly

[south folio]

because of how rending is calculated

[fair flax]

Soooo

[royal vortex]

to note, even with shattering impact it's better to chastise

because the bolter has 0.4 carapace adm and brittleness generally caps at 40%, so you get to 0.8 adm

[fair flax]

How do we avoid that? If you want to avoid it?

[fading vale]

what

[fair flax]

Just don't use Fury + Bolter together. Unless you want to.

[north sedge]

why are you avoiding it

[royal vortex]

wh

[fair flax]

Well Funry Bolter/Shattering

[fading vale]

nobody said that

[royal vortex]

fury is the best ult for bolter because of that

[north sedge]

fury + bolter = many things dead

[fair flax]

I am saying that xD. IDK man there's a disconnect here xD

[north sedge]

better plug them eyes back in then

[fair flax]

Not u saice

[fading vale]

press F with bolter = kill more maulers and crushers

[royal vortex]

it's strictly better to chastise with bolter when fighting crushers, always

with any blessing combo

but some of the combos get much higher returns (cavalcade/pf)

because bolter has so many high adms shattering impact on it is just bad outside of specific applications like bosses, but even then the impact is kind of vibes based because if you're running pubs you have no idea if that brittleness will do anything of note

[fair flax]

Opinion on Inexorable Judgment Capstone?

[royal vortex]

good

the stacks on dodge upgrade is mandatory and the toughness one is depressingly bad

[fair flax]

Yeah Ive been running it on my dodge build

debating martyrdom or it

cut-throat is op though if you use it right lol

Massive CDR vs hordes

[visual stream]

Anyone else hate the BoN hitbox

Especially when it's not aggrod on you

[elfin steppe]

when it aggro me I just run off.

[royal vortex]

i hate the fucking weakspot hitbox

it makes me so mad

[south folio]

i try to stay close and dodge when it spits, and then i'd have an opportunity to whack at it

and then i mess up and i get spat on and i'm sad as i have to run away

[polar nexus]

i like when he moves just after i chastise + magdump

mf

[royal vortex]

it's stupid easy on ogryn (what isn't?) with the new shovels

[north sedge]

I Mr. Bean my way through a clutch on vet mostly

[royal vortex]

get in their face, bait the spit, dodge, fold and then hit em

[covert sail]

Which autogun is the best for us to run atm?

[polar nexus]

ciag

or agrip braced

but all autoguns are valid, except hh 9

[visual stream]

For fucking real bro

[visual stream]

I just picked up that strat recently

[covert sail]

What perks/blessings looking for?

[visual stream]

BoN worst boss in the game easily

[polar nexus]

you see all those rounds just going into the wall

[visual stream]

But can still be fun

When it doesn't turn forty fucking times

[polar nexus]

dumdum + what you want

[visual stream]

And waddle off right ass you go to hit

[polar nexus]

what do you mean by fold?

[royal vortex]

with the shovels

[polar nexus]

ooohhhh

[royal vortex]

cuz they have the stupid long strikedown hitbox

which makes hitting the weakspot really easy

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/folding-chair-gif-25792315

Hope this helped

[polar nexus]

man that's smooth

[visual stream]

With bolter you are indeed supposed to autofire when you go to kill crushers with chastise, yes?

Not politely give them one bullet at a time?

[royal vortex]

yea

[visual stream]

Thought so, someone confidently was saying otherwise

[south folio]

eat them

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/reignald-monsterhouse-eat-hungry-munch-gif-19913088

[covert sail]

is toughness regen speed on curio any worth for us aas zealot?

[delicate shadow]

absolutely not

[minor sage]

toughness regen speed is good if you're new to the game

would wean off it if once you're no longer a newbie tho

[covert sail]

whats next best thing to have? i've got health/toughness % on some and dmge reduce vs gunners

[north sedge]

Those are ideal, a sniper resist is fine

[fleet zealot]

i think generalized corruption resist is good too

well, not good but fine

[south folio]

+ordo dockets 😎

[covert sail]

why do i only have 2 health slots now?

[north sedge]

Have you moved up in difficulty?

Or taken off a wound curio

[covert sail]

I went up to Heresy from Malice

[north sedge]

That's why

Past malice you only have 2 wounds, 3 if ogryn

[covert sail]

I see

[median steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/693362593758445608/1211851067671842846/ssstwitter.com_1708988701007.mp4?ex=65efb341&is=65dd3e41&hm=8ad6fcfef3fb6bc02518c3c99386a074aa3070a88e638ab70d5bdeb70a2ad719&

[covert sail]

Fury of the Faithful still a good ability to use or is the shroud just to strong atm?

[tropic harbor]

Don't be fooled, they're not health slots. The extra wound curios won't really help you as much compared to an hp or toughness one.

[median steeple]

all of the ults have uses in higher diffs

[covert sail]

Running a crit build atm with heavy evis and a CAIG

[delicate shadow]

fury still slaps no matter the difficulty

[hollow ember]

and do ton of dmg to bosses

[delicate shadow]

and pretty much no matter the build so long as it isn't meme levels of scuffed

[fleet zealot]

mkv

[hollow ember]

what the hell is this mkv

[fleet zealot]

didn't know you are just uploading your waepons directly into the discord

[hollow ember]

i hate technology

[fleet zealot]

shroud is unusuable with chain weapons

which sucks

kills build variety

[spiral anvil]

It doesn't work?

[hollow ember]

I used to use Replay from nvidia but it started acting weird when i had live streams open and didn't record, now I am using obs and it shows MKV

[covert sail]

only 26 atm but tried the knife with shroud build, didnt like it

[hollow ember]

gotta see how to change that

[fleet zealot]

no

basically, chain weapons cannot get the value out of the bonus stats from the shroudfield hit out of stealth

[hollow ember]

test

yay

[fleet zealot]

if you hit them while stealthed, you don't get full bonuses

[spiral anvil]

But the trailer showed it off, false marketing

[fleet zealot]

if you hit then stealth, which is what you do for chastise, your attack gets cancelled

[hollow ember]

the ability boosts ur dmg and allows for one shot and staggers and gives toughness and closes gaps, it's too good

[fleet zealot]

chastise may be bugged with chain waepons but at least it is usuable cause you just chastise after your attack connects for full bonus

[spiral anvil]

I think chastise before revv heavy still kills crushers right?

[fleet zealot]

depends on the weapon and what other bonuses you have

but you aren't getting full value but that extra value isn't necessary

for monstros for exmaple you are always gonna wanna chastise after connection

[spiral anvil]

I'll keep that in mind for bosses

[fair flax]

That's a good tip thanks

At this point I feel like speed running the twins is my favorite mission

[hollow ember]

yea it gets addictive with how short and compact it is

[fair flax]

I think once, we hit the twins so hard we skipped almost all their phases lol

[hollow ember]

lol

[fair flax]

Was 2 Ogryrns and me, as a Zealot. We just stacked on the damage

[patent patrol]

I've been wondering, what's the point of the Impact blessings?

what does Impact even DO?

[covert sail]

increase strength of stagger

[patent patrol]

which matters... at what point...?

I mean most weapons with stagger stagger for a long time

or at least, long enough

[covert sail]

is it specifically thge columnus braced autogun thats good if doing a braced variety? or is it any braced auto gun?
Just gfot a transcendant Graia Braced AG

[ripe quest]

Currently is just a bonus for weapons w/ power blessings and neat for smth like Crusher (not that you have any other choices).

It's usually more valuable to just grab a +impact talent, since it's an extra point if you grab TWBS or SoC and can hit BPs, and Punishment is super potent for specific cases.

But otherwise usually it's better to lean into kill power more.

[covert sail]

Are the Thunder Hammer's just not good? They've felt kinda meh compared to a Heavy Eviscerator each time i've tried them

[ripe quest]

They are prime boss nuking weapons. Best for Unyielding bosses and enemies.

Chaxe will hit harder for Flak and Carapace single target though, but it's a different kind of single target and Ironhelm will have far better crowd damage.

[covert sail]

So atm im running a crit build with fury of the faithful, my melee atm has been a mix of my horde clear and elite kill, i just been using eviscerator's rev action for ST dmge

[ripe quest]

Ah yeah if you're running a crit build you're better off with an Evis or Chainsword.

Thammer synergizes better with Martyr or Judgement.

[covert sail]

Ah ok

[ripe quest]

Dclaw works too

[light pivot]

I prefer fruit build with devil's claw and eviscerator mkxv with Martyrdom

Crit

[fleet zealot]

mostly to waste players money

[covert sail]

on an evis, which stat is worth more, shredder or penetration? prob penetration right? Got two atm with same dmge % but the pen and shredder essentially flip flop on both

[fleet zealot]

crusher uses it

[ripe quest]

If you want to maximize the potency w/ a crit build on an Evis grab a Mk II with Savage Sweep/Perfect Strike + Shred and normal perks, hits really hard.

[fleet zealot]

mk4 chaxe and heavy swords can use the punishment talent since a 1 talent point tax is worth it to stagger ragers on your horde cleear

[covert sail]

Why not XV?

[ripe quest]

Pen is a damage stat more than damage is. Shredder is really nice though. Ideally both are as high as possible.

[fleet zealot]

but nothing else should go impact blessings unless there is no other option

[ripe quest]

When ult spamming, having uncapped attacks leads to way better performance. The H1 on the Mk II isn't capped for targets.

[covert sail]

Ult spamming, you rewffering to class ablity? or the weapon special?

[ripe quest]

Fury of the Faithful, the ult.

[light pivot]

Yeah mkii is good for crit builds but harder to use. MKXV is easy mode in Martyrdom. Tried both, you get a lot of chip damage with eviscerator, so mkii is better for to block cancel rotation

[ripe quest]

ehh Mk II is on the simpler side of weapons. Horde rotation is just H1 L2 with an optional bc.

[light pivot]

Indeed but not as easy as light spam

[ripe quest]

I mean I guess? But a heavy light combo is only marginally more complex that it still falls under the category of simple and easy to perform consistently.

It's not like a [H1] H2 H3 SA or a H1 H2 L3 H3 like some other weapons have

[patent patrol]

I forgot how bad Heresy can be lol.

With pubs anyway.

at least, stupid pubs

I just had one of the most horrible Heresy runs. It practically felt like I was playing Damnation

team wiped 25% into the mission lol.

[covert sail]

So looking at MkII swings, wouldn't you wanna do H1 > L2 > L3, then is it just blocking cancels or a block shove?

[patent patrol]

actually now that I think about it, can you randomly get into a special assignment match from quickplay or no?

I assume not.