I WAS going to do an arbitration but it really wants me to run defense so nope
#zealot-class
ivory marlin
They are a bit dry
I think the butter was still too hard
So ill need to make more
ivory marlin
Damn ok
junior lily
Okay, that Mesa knockoff was pretty shameless
sharp zodiac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lue6PmD5VoA
What the hell is that
keen wyvern
What flavor?
ivory marlin
Blueberry
keen wyvern
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lue6PmD5VoA
GET THAT UNHOLY HERESY SHIT OUT OF OUR HOLY HOME
ivory marlin
Nah
keen wyvern
Man...
keen wyvern
fleet zealot
frosty herald
visual stream
more like yo mama toe
frosty herald
more like yo mama toe
visual stream
Anyone else notice that the end of the smelter event is definitely scripted
Only trash mobs with no ranged, and unarmoured ragers
It's a shame because it's one of my favorite end sequences but like nothing interesting happens at the part where you're holding position at the gate
minor sage
It's treated as an event
So they don't spawn specials
Similar to how dogs wont spawn during an event
visual stream
Boring imo
Lack of range understandable since there's 0 cover, but the end events should be scarier
sharp zodiac
Finally awaken
And apparently my dog decided it would be funny to defecate on my carpet
(It was not)
stable cypress
Lack of range understandable since there's 0 cover, but the end events should be...
replace all the poxwalkers with ogryns imo
sharp zodiac
Ogryn melee elite where he just charges you head on with nothing but fists and kicks
WWE wannabe
visual stream
Ogryn melee elite where he just charges you head on with nothing but fists and k...
He's like mutie but instead of slamming you around he throws you on the ground and elbow drops you
sharp zodiac
Psykers get downed instantly when grabbed
visual stream
Permanent speed debuff for rest of mission because he fucking breaks your spine in doing so 
sharp zodiac
I would say make it only one at a time but
visual stream
(Unless you're an ogryn ofc)
sharp zodiac
We know how it'll end up playing out
8 body slamming orgyn ready to put you in dirt
patent patrol
I want that damn Verbalase meme to die already. That video shouldn't even exist to begin with.
Also real talk, he's simping for a character built like a stiltwalker lol
Anyway I need help with Zealot build stuff so.
visual blade
anybody got a good thunder hammer build?
visual blade
danke
patent patrol
anybody got a good thunder hammer build?
What kind?
visual blade
"hammer"
patent patrol
hammer is hammer
Ok well Ironhelm is less special damage but more crowd control
Crucis is entirely single target
so
anyway have fun with that.
patent patrol
https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046913589614747719/121099716263...
I run Martyrdom personally but.
eh
placid fiber
After going from both Darktide and Division 2 where you have tons of ammo, most of the time... trying to play borderlands 2 on a fresh character was so annoying lol
visual blade
After going from both Darktide and Division 2 where you have tons of ammo, most ...
i played on a lvl 70-something character and if you spam one gun a lot, you're gonna be running into the same issue
maybe it's just a skill issue or a maya issue but wow do smgs run out of ammo quick
placid fiber
I was running out of pistol and sniper rifle ammo... since I did the one quest where I took the side that gave me a sniper rifle...
visual blade
this is so cursed, i dunno why
is heavy sword an alternative to eviscerator in martyrdom builds?
placid fiber
You sprint 0.88(insert_darktide_unit)/s? Nice
visual blade
0.88 stamina per second
visual stream
You sprint 0.88(insert_darktide_unit)/s? Nice
0.88 Sprintsteel/s
visual blade
https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046913589614747719/121099716263...
brother, what curios and gun would i run with this?
north sedge
Toughness
visual blade
man i am addicted to plasteel
north sedge
Whatever gun you like
visual stream
Two toughness one hp, or three toughness
visual blade
not me running 1 wound, 20% hp, 19% hp currently
visual stream
One wound with two toughness also works
visual blade
sorry, 21%, not 20
north sedge
Ew
visual blade
toughness, 21 hp and 16 stam is gonna need to suffice
me running martyrdom only for the past 40-ish hours of zealot is really showing
light holly
If you're running marty may as well go all wounds 😌
patent patrol
If I were to run a Martyrdom version of this build would it still be fine?
light holly
Why yall wanna run marty
patent patrol
Why yall wanna run marty
I like the sheer damage behind it when you get low
and the damage reduction
visual blade
one charge on medicae, one ally with 3 wounds and only 1 that's damaged while you're on <1 wound and you say "take it"
north sedge
If I were to run a Martyrdom version of this build would it still be fine?
You'd have to change it to get bleed for the emp
patent patrol
You'd have to change it to get bleed for the emp
... I did not understand a word you said
lmao
wdym bleed for the emp?
north sedge
Look at the tree and find bleed for the emporer
patent patrol
which one is that
visual stream
It's in there somewhere
patent patrol
oh that.
I already have that.
On my build.
This is my build.
also yes I chose holy revenant compared to yours.
I just prefer the lifesteal on revive personally.
Not like I'm dying a whole lot anyway but it makes me tankier.
and harder to kill.
visual stream
Holy rev good
visual blade
how do i play momentum
patent patrol
Holy rev good
Indeed. The other guy's only using until death. But me personally, I couldn't ever use until death only.
Being stuck at like 1 hp is pain lol
visual stream
how do i play momentum
Do you mean the keystone that gives momentum?
visual blade
yes
visual stream
Indeed. The other guy's only using until death. But me personally, I couldn't ev...
I was the same way but I gave up holy rev for one point I needed to get something else
warped dragon
Holy rev was crazy before the class overhaul. Mostly only use it with martyr now
visual stream
yes
Moving gives you zoomies points (momentum), when you attack or chastise, the stacks of zoomies activates and you get those bonuses
However
Keep in mind
The stacks do not apply to the attack that triggers them
patent patrol
Holy rev was crazy before the class overhaul. Mostly only use it with martyr now
It's still good.
visual stream
So you attack, stacks activate, then the next attacks benefit from it
Keep moving as much as you can while the stacks are active, as you can build new stacks while the previous stacks are still active
I can understand why holy rev was nerfed but I'm still sad about it
patent patrol
Wait how bad was it nerfed? I know you could get back up to like 50 hp before
was it changed?
visual stream
I think it was balanced back then because you couldn't also have the powerhouse talent that is TWBS, but today it def wouldn't fly
visual stream
Wait how bad was it nerfed? I know you could get back up to like 50 hp before
It used to be up to full health
patent patrol
It used to be up to full health
OH. I played during the 25% cap. 25% is still good.
visual stream
Which was great for weapons that you could obliterate hordes with
warped dragon
Could fully heal with holy rev back in the day
visual stream
OH. I played during the 25% cap. 25% is still good.
Yeah fs, just miss the nutty old one
patent patrol
Yeah fs, just miss the nutty old one
I honestly see a lot of people say 'oh overpowered stuff shouldn't be nerfed, everything should just be buffed in PVE games'. Then I hear about how people could go from 1 hp to full if they die and I'm like 'yeah no'
lol
It was probably fun at the time but we can't deny that is CRAZY overpowered and would make the game basically not even a challenge
patent patrol
Didn’t matter cause vet was the very OP one back then
Vet went from very OP to just fine
visual stream
I honestly see a lot of people say 'oh overpowered stuff shouldn't be nerfed, ev...
That crowd is silly, even if it's a PvE game stuff has to be balanced so things still have roles they fulfill and actually feel meaningful to use
...reminds me of pre-nerf assail
patent patrol
That crowd is silly, even if it's a PvE game stuff has to be balanced so things ...
I agree. There's very few situations where I agree that other stuff should be buffed to match something
and that's if the enemies are already tuff and that one weapon is optimal BECAUSE the enemies are so tough
THEN the other stuff needs to be buffed up to match it
for example
because if only one weapon can effectively deal with enemies
then everything else needs buffs
Idk if we're allowed to talk about other games for reference but take Helldivers 2.
When playing on the highest difficulty there's only like
3 weapons you can use
two of which are special weapons
so it's really just
yeah
north sedge
There's more than 3 that work
patent patrol
That's a shame to hear, been wanting to get it
It's a really good game. just suffering from it's own success but there's only like 3 weapons you can truly use on the highest difficulty without putting in insane levels of effort to make it work.
north sedge
And its a good fun time
patent patrol
There's more than 3 that work
I more-so meant the others require a LOT of skill to use at all because they're lacking compared to the breaker
or the autocannon/railgun
visual blade
is it called a thunder hammer because BIG BOOM or because lightning?
vocal pulsar
the boom on contact
north sedge
I more-so meant the others require a LOT of skill to use at all because they're ...
I don't use breaker
spare dome
breaker boring
fleet zealot
spare dome
not really. its certainly subjective
visual blade
so. hammer kinda cool
spare dome
but i get much more enjoyment squeezing out the most i can out of a defender with weak spot hits than just slamming everything in the chest with the breaker
vocal pulsar
so. hammer kinda cool
the only thing it is missing is carapace damage
visual blade
how make hammer make me less sweaty
vocal pulsar
if they buffed that a bit, would be v nice
visual blade
i feel like i need to focus just so much more for everything compared to evis marty that it becomes not worth it in the end
vocal pulsar
yeah, proper thammer play requires more talent
visual blade
skill, not talent 🤓
dense field
time
coarse birch
Yeah hammer is much harder than most weapons
visual blade
like, the onnly thing that i noticed thammer doing better on is ogryns and monstrosities
coarse birch
You have to manipulate hitboxes and whatnot
visual blade
and at what point do i just concede and let the veteran or psyker deal with it
patent patrol
Y'all think this MIGHT have a future depending on what else I get on it?
visual blade
or just another zealot with a hammer while i deal with the 15 gunners and 150 groaners and bruisers
vocal pulsar
Y'all think this MIGHT have a future depending on what else I get on it?
it's future is in the rubbish bin
dense field
Low stopping power is ruining your gun
visual blade
which heavy sword is best?
coarse birch
9 has better horde control/clear but all are good
vocal pulsar
what's it's 'dump' stat?
mobility is the dump stat on pretty much all weapons where it's available
dense field
Mobility and stability
visual blade
mobility is the dump stat on pretty much all weapons where it's available
not pistols i feel
vocal pulsar
you just want mobility to be 51% or higher, that's it
coarse birch
6 makes the easiest use of deathblow afaik
vocal pulsar
51% = max dodges
vocal pulsar
not pistols i feel
even pistols
visual blade
even pistols
even the autopistol?
coarse birch
Not really felt
dense field
aeh
vocal pulsar
even the autopistol?
yes. every pisotl, every weapon
dense field
mobility is kinda big deal
patent patrol
am I weird for just buying weapons for the blessings if I see anything halfway decent?
visual blade
how about london shank?
visual blade
am I weird for just buying weapons for the blessings if I see anything halfway d...
nope. not at all
most vets i've seen got their power sword power cycler 4 through brunt/melk
vocal pulsar
how about london shank?
especially knife, cuz it already has crazy mobility
dense field
If you care about dodge distance with your gun out
patent patrol
nope. not at all
I saw a ghost 2 laspistol in the shop (I don't have many laspistol blessings) so I copped it lol
just to get ghost of some form
shy badge
Y'all think this MIGHT have a future depending on what else I get on it?
Certainly, the difference between fire frenzy III and IV is 5% less damage buff (45% vs 50% cumulative)
coarse birch
Knife dodge count is also 5 anyway
patent patrol
Certainly, the difference between fire frenzy III and IV is 5% less damage buff ...
uh... apparently it doesn't.
Low stopping power
ruins shottys
vocal pulsar
no they absolutely do not
patent patrol
unfortunately
no they don't?
coarse birch
The shotguns are p good wym
patent patrol
I wonder though, what IS the worst gun for Zealot? I know most of his weapons are pretty good or at least halfway decent and usable
dense field
There's a bigger difference between 80 mobility and 60 mobility than between 80 damage and 60 damage on most weapons
most melee weapons*
vocal pulsar
I wonder though, what IS the worst gun for Zealot? I know most of his weapons ar...
it would be recon las gun, if zealot had access to it. recon las is one of the shittiest weps in the game atm
coarse birch
I wonder though, what IS the worst gun for Zealot? I know most of his weapons ar...
Probably like infantry lasguns or auto pistol
shy badge
The shotguns are p good wym
For their single target just use a bolter and for area target a flamer or col mkv/others
coarse birch
But those are still fine
visual blade
is this good? i've had this for months now, i feel
patent patrol
But those are still fine
I use my Lasgun like a laspistol. It just looks cooler lol.
vocal pulsar
For their single target just use a bolter and for area target a flamer or col mk...
the funny thing with shotguns, especially with kantrael, they can do both
coarse birch
Yeah it works
vocal pulsar
area and single target
coarse birch
Not many bad guns
patent patrol
is this good? i've had this for months now, i feel
would have to see what the last blessing is.
cause rn it might not be fully fixable.
shy badge
the funny thing with shotguns, especially with kantrael, they can do both
Can do both but very poorly for their ammo usage though
coarse birch
Sweep is not good on hsword really
patent patrol
Sweep is not good on hsword really
does it not do good cleave?
vocal pulsar
idk how 1-2 shotting almost all elite and specials is poor ammo economy
coarse birch
You want headtaker/deathblow
visual blade
i might finish myself to this tonight
shy badge
I wonder though, what IS the worst gun for Zealot? I know most of his weapons ar...
Kantrael infantry lasgun imo
vocal pulsar
my main build has a lawby and ammo is pretty much never a problem
visual blade
no shot i got headtaker 4 on a scrap sword
coarse birch
does it not do good cleave?
There are just better options
dense field
is this good? i've had this for months now, i feel
It will most have at least 1 undesirable trait
most likely*
probably two
visual blade
It will most have at least 1 undesirable trait
lies. deceit
patent patrol
most likely*
he got savage sweep and headtaker on it. Pretty good lmao.
savage sweep isn't as good but
it's still a decent blessing
for it.
dense field
it's decent
visual blade
i'll roll one sword and hopefully get a decent blessing
coarse birch
Yeah swap ss to deathblow and groaners to flak
visual blade
got enough plasteel to roll
coarse birch
And its pretty good
visual blade
i think? maybe
dense field
HT4 is useful to have at least
royal vortex
Can do both but very poorly for their ammo usage though
genuinely a bit absurd to use ammo economy as a point in the bolter's favor in this comparison
shotguns have short swap times and good BPs vs most enemies, the kant esp at close range will one-shot a lot of specials
patent patrol
i'll roll one sword and hopefully get a decent blessing
honestly I think you could probably roll the two perks on that thing and make it really good
as is.
the blessings are fine where they're at tbh.
royal vortex
the bolter is not good at single target in the way a shotgun is, because it's a specific commitment you're forced into to use the thing and it gets thrown around by suppression unlike the shotgun
shy badge
shotguns have short swap times and good BPs vs most enemies, the kant esp at clo...
Maybe on lower difficulties, but they suffer on damnation imo
coarse birch
The only time ive had a ammo issue with Kant is if im taking it as my only real horde clear and even then its like fine
visual blade
can i use it on an attack speed marty build you think? starting to get bored of evis 15
royal vortex
you're not swapping to a bolter to quickly take a special out in a horde
i play exclusively auric, please do not try to go "it's good in malice"
shotguns like most weapons perform much better with certain blessing combinations
shy badge
i play exclusively auric, please do not try to go "it's good in malice"
Auric can be heresy lol
royal vortex
no respite for instance is 20% damage per stagger state - so often up to around 60% on 2nd shots and above
royal vortex
Auric can be heresy lol
you're not clever
dense field
can i use it on an attack speed marty build you think? starting to get bored of ...
sure
sharp zodiac
Hnnn
coarse birch
Yeah hsword marty works
sharp zodiac
Need arcane hnnn fury
vocal pulsar
the only way i can see shjotguns having bad ammo economy is if the shotgun user is shooting every elite and special they see, and never killing them in melee. and if a shotgun zealot is doing that, then THEY are the issue, not the ammo pool
coarse birch
Or no respite
royal vortex
lawbringer in particular has really nice crowd damage synergy if you're doing something like scattershot/flechette
visual blade
i'm so cooked
royal vortex
because you can apply the bleed to everything hit by the special shot's pellets
the bolter legitimately has a lot of target overlap with the flamer. for a zealot it is very often not worth it to pull it out to take out 1-2 key targets because of the swap time and reload commitment (even with cancels)
coarse birch
I wouldnt even say often really it kinda just isnt
Well maybe if you dont take knives
royal vortex
bulwark/crusher if you're running hsword or something similarly challenged by unyielding/cara is the big exception
coarse birch
It would need to be a very certain situation
fleet zealot
There's a bigger difference between 80 mobility and 60 mobility than between 80 ...
what
patent patrol
Been debating on trying the special assignment. I heard it's very difficult but eh.
royal vortex
https://streamable.com/h0cbwu this is a solo clutch that pretty prominently features the kant shotgun
coarse birch
Oh idk why i was picturing unconventional bolter targets
fleet zealot
difference in the technical sense or the practical sense cause practically you are 100% fine at 60 mobility
vocal pulsar
There's a bigger difference between 80 mobility and 60 mobility than between 80 ...
nah
fleet zealot
but 60% damage on some weapons can absolute mess with breakpoints since it's your base damage
vocal pulsar
yes someone weapons only get idk 15+ damage between 60-80. but what you are forgetting is all the buffs from feats and blessings that increase your damage by a percentage
vocal pulsar
that 15 extra points WILL be missed
fleet zealot
but on basically any weapon damage is important, the only expceiton being one flamer/purge staff
cause it's base damage every hit and that's your primary damage with the weapon
ripe quest
6 makes the easiest use of deathblow afaik
ehh the VI and VII have about the same DB performance and the IX can use it better against hordes.
vocal pulsar
ehh the VI and VII have about the same DB performance and the IX can use it bett...
YOSHI DESTROYED
yoshi bad at game confirmed
visual stream
(by facts and logic)
coarse birch
ehh the VI and VII have about the same DB performance and the IX can use it bett...
Wait what gives the 6 the best elite clear then
Or is that a myth
I know the differences arent huge other than 7 needing camera work
coarse birch
yoshi bad at game confirmed
What did i do to you
frosty herald
what about me...
coarse birch
unlike josho and arco
@south folio
ripe quest
Wait what gives the 6 the best elite clear then
I couldn't for the life of me tell you specifics on the why but the VI and VII have marginal advantages over one another depending on the elite, most likely due into how you swing the sweep heavy. On paper they're so similar in performance that it couldn't possibly matter in a game.
coarse birch
Ok so the only meaningful difference is 9s horde clear
ripe quest
Yeah. The IX drops the damage on the sweep heavy to trade it for 2 sweep heavies that chain into eachother, making it a better choice in cases where BPs are the same.
You can really play into that with Martyr, which is why it was so universally busted prior to HP changes on elites.
south folio
unlike josho and arco
huugugguhgughugh
vocal pulsar
who is Hugh
ripe quest
what a weird way to say Mankar
coarse birch
huugugguhgughugh
That your luna impression
vocal pulsar
my luna impression: honhon le frog legz le surrendeur
royal vortex
he is broken
coarse birch
I think you guys broke him long ago
royal vortex
I think you guys broke him long ago
i am innocent
visual stream
Look at my car
vocal pulsar
i am innocent
417 bursters
vocal pulsar
the number is actually probably closer to 4000
alls i know is
i go many pub games without being burstered
then you enter the equation
and i get burstered
coarse birch
I believe josho is innocent more than arco
coarse birch
I was gonna say
royal vortex
i cannot help that i naturally bring misfortune with me
vocal pulsar
constant -77% luck debuff
royal vortex
😔
coarse birch
Unfort that joshos highest base luck is 77
royal vortex
lmfao
strange pike
What y'all take on this knife
visual blade
yo can i not get 3 headtakers in a row please? thank you
north sedge
stan pulled a stan in hd2 a bit ago, we had to carry 2 hard drives and at some point he dropped one without saying anything
visual blade
number one, two and three
north sedge
so we're just like waiting for him, and then he arrives driveless
vocal pulsar
Gj Stan
royal vortex
stan pulled a stan in hd2 a bit ago, we had to carry 2 hard drives and at some p...
i wouldve airstriked him repeatedly
i was getting chased by berserkers, stan says "i'm calling in a mortar", i say "stan don't do that they're right in my face"
he says he's gonna do it anyways
i shoot him dead
he says "i was joking"
the stan jokes have rapidly deteriorated
frosty herald
you infact did not sugarcoat it
coarse birch
he's just fat
It sounds like shes rather large
north sedge
mutants take 3x melee
visual blade
always?
oh wat
3x melee damage
makes sense
i did 2700 to a mutant without it being a crit or a weakspot and went like "huh"
AND YOU CAN DRAG HITS?
OH MY LORD
my chiv 2 experience is coming in handy
polar nexus
Disablers take more melee DMG
fading vale
not trappers
ripe quest
stan pulled a stan in hd2 a bit ago, we had to carry 2 hard drives and at some p...
Oh gods no
polar nexus
not trappers
Damn. They usually go down quite fast tho
coarse birch
trappers have low health ye
ripe quest
number one, two and three
What weapon is that for? May at well steal it or use it, it's a good blessing.
visual blade
first one is on heavy sword 9
which i want to use anyway but the other blessing for it is savage sweep
and i wanted to roll another blessing, almost anything else, but ended up with the same shit
median steeple
frosty herald
delicate shadow
death stranding
north sedge
truck u
ivory marlin
The wire looks bad
I added a bit of glue on the back so its a bit more reinforced
First time doing anything like that tho
Cutting the rock bending the wire figuring out how to tie knots
delicate shadow
looks gud
ivory marlin
Thank you
I made the knot to adgust the length too tight and now its too small for my big ass head
ivory marlin
Real
tight scroll
I come to you guys at a time of great need
my girlfriend has embraced the power of the Mk 15 heavy eviscerator
what would be the ideal blessings for it?
ashen pecan
i like shred and perfect strike
coarse birch
rampage and shred/bloodthirsty are the 2 big ones
momentum works if they are struggling with toughness gen
tight scroll
she...really is not
sharp zodiac
Well that was scuffed
coarse birch
then id probably do shred or bloodthirsty
ashen pecan
perfect strike is an option for mixed horde clear too, depends on how you play
coarse birch
shred gets you more uses of chastise and whatnot and bloodthirsty just lets you do crusher chain kills really
ashen pecan
helps getting ult resets since you can cleave through maulers/ragers/bulwarks/crushers
tight scroll
will pass it along, many fanks
yeah no she is a gamer
she knew for a while she wants to make a Zealot cus, in her own words
'I want a giant chainsword'
placid hedge
Is the damage too low on this Ironhelm? Everything else about it is a keeper
red pollen
999/1000 wins and still haven’t found a team for hard mode karnak so who wants to be immortalized on the Darktide community in the spicy screenshot with your names in the corner and the penances+portrait frame+insignia
jaunty lava
I'm down to try if you need a team, i'm desperate for one too
fleet zealot
Is the damage too low on this Ironhelm? Everything else about it is a keeper
too low probably not
i'd swap off crit damage and skullcrusher asap tho
placid hedge
too low probably not
I had to get it from Melk my other hammer is locked in at Thrust 3. Im so sick of rolling hammers
Ive got another one but its got a t3 Headtaker and low CC
nimble fiber
merry spade
Good hammer or bad? brunt sold it to me, and i dont know what stats to look for with a hammer, as I normally rock the evicerator.
coarse birch
bad
first target is very important
and hammerblow isnt good nor is carapace
you want damage/pen/first target
but damage and FT are the top 2
merry spade
so... strip the blessing to get 1 step closer to having all the blessings in the game, gotcha
coarse birch
yeah if you want to fill out your sticker book
north sedge
i mean, if you want to collect it? you'll never put hammerblow on hammer
merry spade
This is the semi-scuffed evicerator i'm currently running until i can roll a better one
fleet zealot
I had to get it from Melk my other hammer is locked in at Thrust 3. Im so sick o...
i meant too low, probably not too low
sorry if that wasn't clear
placid hedge
i meant too low, probably not too low
Oh gotya thanks for clarifying.
Idk how accurate the bp calculator is but its 40 damage off on hit from a max roll IH
It'll have to do I'm like 30k plasteel in the hole on Ironhelms
still quartz
Can't weasel your way out of that one now
coarse birch
Idk how accurate the bp calculator is but its 40 damage off on hit from a max ro...
its p accurate to my knowledge
although it cant account for talents and whatnot
open pollen
stoat saturday!!!1
Float like a Stoat!
patent patrol
I love funny moments where I trigger a Daemonhost, the team gets mad only to see me 3 tap it
I triggered one just for the hell of it earlier. Dude started screaming at me only to realize I'm using the Thunder Hammer
LOL.
visual stream
Is the damage too low on this Ironhelm? Everything else about it is a keeper
To be technical, that damage stat will make you need a couple more stacks of momentum or slaught/headtaker on maulers, maybe one or two more stacks of thrust on like ragers but realistically that should suit your purposes fine
(Thrust thing is if you have 0 stacks of slaught/ht, mostly doesn't matter otherwise)
I personally must cope to the maximum degree until I get the perfect hammer roll
placid hedge
It doesnt exist.
patent patrol
I personally must cope to the maximum degree until I get the perfect hammer roll
How's mine?
patent patrol
Arguably better than my current
I think it suits my needs best. For me anyway. I'm missing Slaughterer of course but that can be changed soon
visual stream
First target could be better and it could be thrust 4 but perfect otherwise
patent patrol
I mean change headtaker for slaughterer anyway
visual stream
I prefer slaughterer but hadron keeps bricking my attempts and my only good one is locked on headtaker
coarse birch
I was so close 😔
coarse birch
what does first target mean?
Damage the first target recieves in a swing
patent patrol
Damage the first target recieves in a swing
What determines what the 'first' is? is it per swing?
coarse birch
In hammers case generally the one guy you bonk
coarse birch
What determines what the 'first' is? is it per swing?
Whatever you hit first
Yeah its per swing afaik
patent patrol
Yeah its per swing afaik
ah ok.
visual stream
I do not fully understand the description because it specifically says "when attacking multiple enemies in a swing", but I would assume it's first dude no matter if you only hit one or not
FatShark description moment
north sedge
Yes you get it when just hitting a dude
placid hedge
between these two which would you run? I changed Skullcrusher to Slaughterer 4 and put 25 flak on over crit
patent patrol
I was so close 😔
Honestly I'd call that perfect. Headtaker and slaughterer are pretty interchangable.
placid hedge
Thrust 4 is big but 67 damage on the one irks me
patent patrol
Thrust 4 is big but 67 damage on the one irks me
I agree on that. We'd need to run the calcs to see
maiden path
Thrust 4 is big but 67 damage on the one irks me
just give it to hadron and roll untill better
then smack thrust on it
visual stream
between these two which would you run? I changed Skullcrusher to Slaughterer 4 a...
Both are great tbh, just whether you prefer headtaker or slaught but the first one has more damage on the unyielding perk and as base stat
I think fourth tier of thrust outweighs the damage stat difference but I'm not certain
Would have to do stat breakdown
placid hedge
Thrust 4 is 60 more damage compared to the first roll at max stacks im pretty sure when I checked it
but thats at max stacks
visual stream
That 60 more damage makes a difference
When testing for a mauler BP I've been off by 2 damage at one point 
Momentum keystone is a lovely thing tho
placid hedge
I run Marty Hammer normally just a big fan of the playstyle
I have a really good crucis but kinda switched to ironhelm
coarse birch
im actually lucky and have a really good version of both but i dont play much hamme
placid hedge
Thats like my vet I got a perfect max roll pc4 and bromentum Mk6 like 20 rolls
I think Ironhelm has been the hardest weapon to roll so far
north sedge
hammer is the worst weapon to roll in the game
placid hedge
I believe it
north sedge
3 good blessings out of like 1500
placid hedge
1 dump stat
coarse birch
One day theyll get used more
visual stream
I got lucky with my first ironhelm roll pre-tree patch
And then it no longer needed maniac
Haven't gotten a "perfect" roll since
Decent enough to work well but not like that
coarse birch
Yeah im glad i rolled my hammers post needing maniac
I just had w/e hammers back when it was used
cinder roost
my current ironhelm
visual stream
Oo nice, shame about the carapace but great that you can swap ht and slaught at will
cinder roost
yea
visual stream
Good hammar
cinder roost
i have a bunch of ironhelms and mk2's laying around
the carapace has some utility to it, if you get stuck with out flak+change to take out carapace, having the extra 25 helps
placid hedge
Whats preferred Slaught or ht?
rigid trellis
headtaker for dealing big single target damage
cinder roost
dealers choice really, HT can give you stacks vs a boss when there is nothing else around
vocal pulsar
i think slaughterer is better, overall
cinder roost
slaugh gives you more power, but its dependent on having those stacks at the right time.
north sedge
shouldnt waste time stacking ht on a boss, just special
cinder roost
or being able to generate them quickly when you need them
i mean in situations where there are no other targets to get stacks on
vocal pulsar
thammer already has insane single target dmg. i'd rather get the slight power boost for helping it out in hordeclear
i prefer headtaker on chaxe
particularly the mk12
cinder roost
i usually use slaught + thrust on my mk 12 on the zealot, and slaught + bleed on my vet
but to each their own 😄
fleet zealot
Chaxe just doesnt go thrust unelss yoh want it to
cinder roost
both are able to one shot most specials and elites with a charged heavy attack
fleet zealot
At least mk4 functions as a statcheck wrecking ball cause it can roll HT and slaught
cinder roost
yea
cinder roost
i pretty much use the mk 12 exclusively, not a fan of the mk 4
one of my older ironhelms
this one aswell
vocal pulsar
my mk12. i love it
merry spade
I assume a penetration value this low makes the weapon bad?
vocal pulsar
one shots everything, without chastise
north sedge
I assume a penetration value this low makes the weapon bad?
yep
cinder roost
my mk12. i love it
this is mine
vocal pulsar
respectable
cinder roost
i use the bleed crit talent to the extra 5% to crit works well
cinder roost
yea
vocal pulsar
i've never used chaxe for crit/bleed
fleet zealot
i use the bleed crit talent to the extra 5% to crit works well
Dont
cinder roost
why, ive cleared like 800k dmg at the end of matches with it
fleet zealot
Even the mk12 is a heavy hitting weapon and not one that enjoys critting
5% crit off the base crit chance
merry spade
Melk trying to get me to use bloodletter + rev-it-up on my zealot...
fleet zealot
It isnt a crit weapon
If youd get 800k in that game youd get at least 900k
Not going crit
vocal pulsar
it's slept on hard
fleet zealot
Chaxe has low finesse low crit chance scales well with raw stat boosts
coarse birch
Yeah its v good
cinder roost
been using this as the talents with it, works quite well, and the extra time in stealth really helps when I wind up having to get up downed team mates in pugs
coarse birch
I did well with it like right away
vocal pulsar
been using this as the talents with it, works quite well, and the extra time in ...
im assuming you know that stealth backstab does not work properly with chain weapons
fleet zealot
been using this as the talents with it, works quite well, and the extra time in ...
You dont even have crit synergy
cinder roost
yea, i dont use it for that
fleet zealot
You take scourge
And toughness dr
That is hard to maintain until the 10% ramps up to 40% cause scourge is lowkey overtuned
Also dont take toughness replenishment momentum attached talent
It is just coherency regen boost snd really low at that
Youd be better instantly if you COULD take off the crit chance for another 25% or 10% elite perk and go the talents on the alternate paths besides scourge and toughness dr on crit
Like i thought at least you were abusing crit cdr which lets any weapon abuse crit even if it scales poorly/has no synergy
coarse birch
it might be my fav melee weapon
i think i prefer new evis still but it is very good
vocal pulsar
i think i prefer new evis still but it is very good
I LIKE NEW EVIS, BUT THE HEAVY ATTACK IS SO SLOW, IT KEEPS ME FROM LOVING IT
caps
fleet zealot
But you are just going scourge plus toughness dr on crit which is dont think is worth because of the chaxe having the base crit chance + 5 cause of your perk
fleet zealot
I LIKE NEW EVIS, BUT THE HEAVY ATTACK IS SO SLOW, IT KEEPS ME FROM LOVING IT
Stack more attack speed /j
cinder roost
Like i thought at least you were abusing crit cdr which lets any weapon abuse cr...
so using this would be more advantageous i would assume?
fleet zealot
so using this would be more advantageous i would assume?
Yes
Also god i hope fatshark nerfs zealot crit talents
vocal pulsar
swap unyielding for carapace if you want crusher one shot
fleet zealot
Or at least takes crit cdr out back and bury it with the aborted fetus of hp loss cdr
coarse birch
I LIKE NEW EVIS, BUT THE HEAVY ATTACK IS SO SLOW, IT KEEPS ME FROM LOVING IT
YEAH THATS FAIR
fleet zealot
Scourge could take a knocking to, make it 4 stacks of 5% each for the buff
coarse birch
You run martyr right
fleet zealot
Always
vocal pulsar
i am currebntly running old evis on martyr
my martyr build has no toughness regen from feats, so my evis has momentum, and bolter has insp barrage
cinder roost
swap unyielding for carapace if you want crusher one shot
can one shot them from behind with stealth back stab and 3x stacks of thrust but it would probably be easier with straight carap
also would it fucking kill fatshark to fix the damned out of memeory shit
so tired of crashing just trying to customize my weapons
fleet zealot
can one shot them from behind with stealth back stab and 3x stacks of thrust but...
Its for the consistent one tap vs crusher packs
vocal pulsar
wep customization mod definitely contriutes massively to memory leak issues
fleet zealot
Make sure your WCM is up to date
cinder roost
Its for the consistent one tap vs crusher packs
yea i realize the reasoning
vocal pulsar
i got those crashes way less when i got rid of wep customization
fleet zealot
And also i wouldnt run it without disabling any non essential mods as well
cinder roost
yea, ive considered it, doing the customization from the login screen reduces them greatly
fleet zealot
Also if you are crashing repeatedly your weapon customization may be bugged/invalid
I had that happen with ogryn
You attached some parts together that offended the machine spirit and the game doesnt like it
prisma sigil
why, ive cleared like 800k dmg at the end of matches with it
you're not allowed to use weapons, even if they're good, unless they're strictly meta
cinder roost
the biggest source of them for me is attempting to use the search feature for item sorting
north sedge
that's why everyone should use flesh tearer lacerate knife
fleet zealot
you're not allowed to use weapons, even if they're good, unless they're strictly...
People can use a grey taxe for all i care
fleet zealot
Hear is for improvement
prisma sigil
Though it wasn't fun, it was out of spite because someone tried to tell me that gear was more important than skill
fleet zealot
Because not everyone is a naturally good player so maintaining good information and advice is helpful
prisma sigil
Because not everyone is a naturally good player so maintaining good information ...
This is absolutely true
I just think people go way too far on it in here
fleet zealot
Id rather have bad players with well built gear in my lobbies than bad players running straight ass
fleet zealot
I just think people go way too far on it in here
That is just kinda how text based open forum works
prisma sigil
The minute mathematical formulas come into play I'm checking the fuck out
fleet zealot
And we take the time explain why this and this behaves like this
vocal pulsar
The minute mathematical formulas come into play I'm checking the fuck out
ogryn main?
prisma sigil
perhaps i am just an ogryn at heart
prisma sigil
ogryn main?
Nah zelly
and psyker
Ogryn is kinda boring for me
I don't mind Vet I'm just not that good at it 💀
cinder roost
oggy is fun 😄
prisma sigil
Like shield Ogryn you can genuinely just turn your brain off
and it's not even a skill thing its just
So easy
fleet zealot
Veteran was complete ass (i leveled all classes before the talent tree update)
But then you hit 30 on veteran
Bought an agri brauto
And just went full rambo
prisma sigil
Vet before update was fantastic with unnerfed powersword and bolter
Used to be my main
vocal pulsar
vet still fantastic
fleet zealot
Never was a fan of bolter vet but something about the iron sights makes my blindness crank up
fleet zealot
vet still fantastic
Smh i have to hit headshots to maintain my keystone wtf fatshark
I think the top end of marksman is even higher now it just doesnt come with permanent invuln
So people just gravitate towards squad leader or commando
prisma sigil
I like Columnus V with Raking, Dumdum, Deadshot, and Infiltrate
Really squishy but a fast, mobile glass cannon
cinder roost
my fav vet build rn is marksman agri shotgun
here's mine https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b1e7bf4-0d76-4d1f-a60b-48b4013e77f6/melee-plasma-vet
median steeple
pinhead yoda
patent patrol
Or at least takes crit cdr out back and bury it with the aborted fetus of hp los...
Why? Why do you hate it, if I may ask?
vocal pulsar
Why? Why do you hate it, if I may ask?
Because it's too good
It's op and encourages braindead behavior
Let's you have ult up at all times, allowing you to thoughtlessly spam it
fleet zealot
Why? Why do you hate it, if I may ask?
It needs to be limited per swing or on a fixed cd (i would prefer the latter)
patent patrol
Let's you have ult up at all times, allowing you to thoughtlessly spam it
so is stealth zealot the meta?
is it THAT good?
patent patrol
We are talking about crit build
isn't the cloak thing the crit build?
cinder roost
oddly enough the crit build + mk 7 devils claw is pretty baller
reminds me of pre-patch 13 heavy sword
vocal pulsar
isn't the cloak thing the crit build?
By crit build, we are talking about blazing piety keystone + the crit related feats at the top right of the skill tree
The feats above throwing knives, like scourge and the feat that gives DMG reduction on crit
The cloak thing is very mid/niche. By far, chastise (the charge forward ability) is the best ult
Big toughness, big mobility, low cool down, big damage/armor penetration
patent patrol
I run martyrdom personally.
vocal pulsar
Martyr is very powerful too
patent patrol
pretty standard stuff
i do run chastise but
c'mon
it's the most satisfying one
pretty sure that's my only source of crits
vocal pulsar
You get random crits
patent patrol
speaking of which, do you think Chastise needs a nerf? I personally don't but I could SEE why it might.
patent patrol
I want them to buff or rework the relic ult
the cross thing?
vocal pulsar
Yeah
fleet zealot
Chastise shouldnt need a nerf
steep flame
There was a bluetongue in my house
fleet zealot
Cause what makes it strong rn is cdr abuse
vocal pulsar
Josho put it best: using that ult puts you in a contract with the enemy, wherein you both promise to do nothing but stare at each other
maiden path
zealot needs a billhook flamethrower
fleet zealot
You run no cdr talents and chastise feels pretty balanced
patent patrol
Yeah
Are we talkin like... how boring it is or how bad it is?
cause I think it's VERY good, just boring
coarse birch
Its good but it could maintain exactly what it does while being more engaging
vocal pulsar
Yeah it's boring
coarse birch
/allowing you to partake
coarse birch
Like if you could just drop it and fight
maiden path
they needa give zealot a fucking spear or soemthing
coarse birch
It would be better to me
maiden path
when are they gonna add some updates man
they were doing so good with circus
then nothing
no communication
fleet zealot
Live service sive lervice
I just go play something else
It is clearly not aaa live service and more like what vt2 was
fair igloo
for a live service game you'd expect alot more
don't worry!! once october comes around we'll get a halloween themed update filled with cosmetic content that was just made by the community on the steam workshop that we have to pay for
Oh wait wrong game
fleet zealot
They got back from vacation and from my guess they didnt make a plan after dropping circus so they are just working until someone hits something that they can then focus on and push for release
maiden path
expecting tf2 to have updates is crazy to me
i wish the game stopped getting updates so all its fans would shut the fuck up about not getting enough shit
fleet zealot
Also rumors has it the vt2 pvp was rougher than they thought it would be
fleet zealot
And theyve been taking dev power to focus on it
fair igloo
17 at this point but still consistently tops the steam player charts despite getting no updates 👀
I think darktide can last a few months without a big content update
fleet zealot
i wish the game stopped getting updates so all its fans would shut the fuck up a...
Im stealing this
fleet zealot
when are they gonna add some updates man
i wish the game stopped getting updates so all its fans would shut the fuck up about not getting enough shit
fleet zealot
Also valve
maiden path
not tf2 17 year old!!
fleet zealot
Does literally nothing
maiden path
goated
patent patrol
By crit build, we are talking about blazing piety keystone + the crit related fe...
I might need to try me some crit stuff lol.
fleet zealot
They rarely if ever do meaningful support nowadays
patent patrol
I think I can get crits off my current build can't I? With the ironhelm thunderhammer?
fair igloo
I'm just going to say if you only play a game to wait for it to update it's probably not the type of game u enjoyyy
Why not just play it cuz it's a fun game and be happy when an update comes out :(
fleet zealot
Its just perma life support even for new releases
north sedge
it's not even 2 years old
fleet zealot
I think I can get crits off my current build can't I? With the ironhelm thunderh...
You could cause lmao crit is braindead
maiden path
a 17 year old getting cosmetics added and some bug fixes and still expecting more is crazy to me though
*game
fleet zealot
a 17 year old getting cosmetics added and some bug fixes and still expecting mor...
Cause tf2 is still the latest title
Topping the steam charts
maiden path
pull up how much of dat is bots!!
patent patrol
You could cause lmao crit is braindead
Time to find the right build.
fleet zealot
And valve let the official servers get wrecked by bots
fair igloo
TF2 is also just mechanically one of the* best movement shooters still out there which is why ppl still just play it
maiden path
TF2 is also just mechanically one of the* best movement shooters still out there...
'movement'
fleet zealot
Time to find the right build.
Hint scourge into blazing piety and crit cdr
maiden path
do you mean team based
coarse birch
I mean tbf they might be more willing to communicate if the community wasnt dogshit to them about most of the updates
fair igloo
If you think tf2 isn't a movement shooter you haven't played enough of it
bitter anvil
Well tf2 like valve passive revenue
fleet zealot
I mean tbf they might be more willing to communicate if the community wasnt dogs...
“Where is the communication”
maiden path
tf2 is not a movement shooter
bitter anvil
Since they can keep their server all day can pay off servers fee from games cuts on steam
fleet zealot
Meanwhile this community under every single catshark post
maiden path
when u say movement shooter im thinking some quake 3, titanfall shit
not rocket jumping
patent patrol
Hint scourge into blazing piety and crit cdr
c'mon now, don't be doin that 💀
fair igloo
Rocket jumping literally has one of the highest skill ceiliings as a movement tech in FPSes in general??
patent patrol
just gimme the crit build smh
maiden path
1 working on darktide
fleet zealot
its a psuedo quake 3 movement shooter
This sentence would kill some kid who just started gaming decades ago
Oh boy i love this new mario game!
maiden path
all children should pop out the womb with the natural abilty to play quake 3
and smash
the video game
maiden path
!
bitter anvil
He killed you
maiden path
if my kid cant strafe jump in quake 3 right out the womb brah he going back!
fair igloo
Idk tf2 has no movement it's really obvious you have to just hold a direction key and hope you don't die whenever u get caught out 🙏
bitter anvil
That’s disturbing put kid back womb
patent patrol
i'm stupid
fleet zealot
With hammer youd need all the help you cna get cause it bas low crit chance
maiden path
i'm stupid
ERM CLEARLY
fleet zealot
Idk why tho
maiden path
patent patrol
With hammer youd need all the help you cna get cause it bas low crit chance
what do I take on the right side? I just went stun grenade, chastise, blazing piety.
maiden path
deep rock galactic needa add some new stuff!
i wanna play more but that gameplay loop aint hitting
bitter anvil
Feel stale buddy?
fleet zealot
what do I take on the right side? I just went stun grenade, chastise, blazing pi...
You need scourge if you are going crit
scourge plus blazing piety put your crit rate to 55% at least
Which enables the crit cdr spam every swing cause crit cdr is calculated per target
patent patrol
damn. Can't get restoring faith. Oh well.
bitter anvil
Are you like still not max level?
fleet zealot
Didn’t shock troop just get fixed
patent patrol
Are you like still not max level?
I am. My build is just bad ig.
fleet zealot
And it works again
patent patrol
I was wanting to run stunstorm grenade but still run restoring faith. Guess I can't.
fleet zealot
It doesn’t break with crit chains anymore?
bitter anvil
I literally run like HH with 5 crits chances
fleet zealot
Isnt that the issue before
fleet zealot
It should never be infinite ammo
Or true i finity ammo
Vet already breaks the game with survivalist
bitter anvil
Survialist is very small in return when in game few elite or special
fleet zealot
Id sya with them making it so you arent screwed cause of crit chains
fleet zealot
Survialist is very small in return when in game few elite or special
Oh well
bitter anvil
I do see it does massively return ammo on horde elite or special
fleet zealot
Gestures towards all of auric
patent patrol
Best I could do for my 'crit build'.
fleet zealot
Maelstroms
fair igloo
it would be rlly fun without survivalist cuz then players would actually have to think about when to use their ammo and it feels more like a horde survival game when you're running out of resources and makes it that much more fun imooo
but thats not like rlly an objective thing i just think it would be fun
bitter anvil
Yeah don’t touch maelstrom i run auric once’s
fair igloo
usually there are like as many elites as there are fodder in aurics/maelstrom so u get TONS of ammo returns there i think
fleet zealot
Im going to bed
bitter anvil
Night
fair igloo
hi going to bed
fleet zealot
I need someone else here who knows what their saying
Cause i got that head hurty disease
bitter anvil
Medical attention need it?
hidden verge
which one is better / is any change needed?
hidden verge
thanks 
fleet zealot
Right has bad perks
maiden path
fleet zealot
which one is better / is any change needed?
Left is best but the heavy swords can go deathblow now, you lose a slight amount of horde clear
bitter anvil
You didn’t go sleep yet? (:
fleet zealot
You didn’t go sleep yet? (:
Im a terrible human being
maiden path
fleet zealot
maiden path
listen to music i send now.
fleet zealot
But deathblow gives the power to oneshot 4 elites in one swing
fleet zealot
listen to music i send now.
No
maiden path
man fuck ur music!
fleet zealot
Loud
hidden verge
Left is best but the heavy swords can go deathblow now, you lose a slight amount...
deathblow and...? 😄
does it have rank 4?
fair igloo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99tjp3KYC2A
I like this :)
north sedge
https://youtu.be/MPUCEz-RCg0?si=WiO2geuYWxipDfUz
hidden verge
okay, i'll try looking for it 😄
fleet zealot
Basically deathblow means your weakspot kills dont give any fall off of damage
Up to 4, then cleave fall off resumes as normal
fleet zealot
https://tenor.com/view/chainsaw-man-chainsaw-man-dance-dance-denji-power-gif-269...
This one gets it
fair igloo
if u wanna get sleepier i have a bunch of songs in a relaxing playlist I listen to while playing darktide
fleet zealot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYALpvUGNk8&list=RDkGYD3hkCPAc&index=8
Metallica
maiden path
metallica older then everyone in this chat
metallicas badass
dont try to act like its not
maiden path
fair igloo
I was never into rock like that but i can see the appeal
fleet zealot
Le wrong generation
bitter anvil
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYALpvUGNk8&list=RDkGYD3hkCPAc&index=8
I want the bell whom toll
north sedge
i am indifferent to metallica
fair igloo
Oh oh!! Thoughts on this? One of my fave songs https://youtu.be/rRUjAE7zKpc
maiden path
i am indifferent to metallica
cause your LAAAME!
fleet zealot
I like Ghost
fleet zealot
MCR, FoB, Franz Ferdinand, panic!
maiden path
I like Ghost
💀
maiden path
maiden path
metallica covers of blue oyster cults badass
bitter anvil
Oh oh!! Thoughts on this? One of my fave songs https://youtu.be/rRUjAE7zKpc
Elvis Presley vibe
maiden path
ghost trys to hard
fleet zealot
ghost trys to hard
Wtf does this even mean
fair igloo
Elvis Presley vibe
It's really catchy! I'm normally mostly into RnB but it's def one of my faves
maiden path
i dont care about theatrics just play da song!!!!!!!!
bitter anvil
It's really catchy! I'm normally mostly into RnB but it's def one of my faves
You like upbeat song?
fair igloo
Umm it depends on wym by upbeat
But yea generally! Or calmer/softer songs
My favorite song is about time by sarah kang but I don't think the ppl here would really like it
maiden path
