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That was just š¤
is it like
are u fkin kidding me
flat earth
WHA
flat amount
WHAT
and 460 people pressed like button
i hope he also promote flesh tearer lacerate
death
HELLO ARCO
rivers of blood setup hater smh
You should capitalize the first letter of each of your sentences
no
You failed the assignment
I hope in my dream Fire Grenade also will deal with Crushers
Also good morning
WHA
like it does for this guy
because of you, i won't use oxford commas anymore
he thought it was his solemn duty to make a video over one of the comments posted in a previous video of his
Ew I hate Ohio commas
Oxford
the rare ohio comma
Ohio commas are the worst
when did you recover from stan's frenzied attack on your identity
when i regained my sense of self
@dense field"The tree above Loner is literally FFFin terrible"
does this guy even play Zealot
looks like Twitter content
ACTUALLY THAT EXPLAINS A LOT
One never seen you even write comas before
I e
Iāve
i dont call them vet players
Commas

i e i've commas
stan if you fuck up more than one word in the sentence just rewrite it im not playing fucking text jenga to figure out what you mean
it's obvious this time but most of the time it is not
what is text jenga
I wondering where is he
mr tinberg
That his name?
I believe he has his own server
needs the bubble
his name in this disc is tanner lindberg
idk if he left or not
some people in psyker chat like him
like arco
can't find it searching
Heās not exist
That was my question as well rebders
Rebders
Rebders
you BITCH
š
he's gone from the discord it seems
three strikes you're out
Red why is you name so hard to say
š
rebers
Yeah seem tanner sprew something attention he left the server immediately
i bet hes off to chase attention in hd2
i ran out of stratagems to buy
Omg that was Terri me
this is so sad
Terrible
Fr

updated count
include binch
He probably isn't good enough to maintain momentum in two different titles. I know I'm not.
one of the comments on a recent video has a reply saying he found it too easy, but it's not from him so i can't confirm. would be in-character though
It's only been two weeks and I feel like 50% of what I know about DarkTide has fallen out of my head.
Also I would agree that there isn't enough going on in HD2 to really dedicate any kind of lasting content to.
Emprah good, eretics bad
for sooper earf
I am not convinced this isn't just rage bait
I am so close to actually making a video just debunking literally everything in this video

And so many vague statements
do it
I would not waste my time.
@royal vortex are you coconut crab viable?
i voted no
i voted no
My skills havent gone away
The truth is that DarkTide is genuinely not that hard to figure out outside of some very niche and unstated interactions/tooltips. People aren't dumb because they listen to Tanner, they're dumb because they were already not putting in any work to learn.
But i feel like hitboxes are MUCH tighter now
what did they put you up to
wym they
us?
you and arco
Also @royal vortex l1 mk6 powersword into activate into heavy is an unique attack
what does that even mean???
he posed a hypothetical, and we answered it
i'm just saying like, if you were left on a desert island, alone, are you balanced for crabs?
balance is not a factor for i would never harm a fellow crustacean
how many coconut crabs could you engage in battle with at a time
Scourge is best node in the game guys
lads, we've found him
crab battle
crab alt
Those claws could tear a tank apart!
look at this
basically josho
Is the video like, Tanner ādebunkingā and āpassing judgementā on all Zealotās skills?
o mirrored h1 instead of an uppercut
Something like that yeah
i forgot that the mk6 didn't have a left-to-right diagonal overhead
Another top tier one is:
Martyrdom is garbage
damn
@fading vale new powersword tech
i asked yoshi who he'd shoot if he was left on an island with you and arco and 1 round in a pistol, and he said you cause he doesn't believe you have the skills
its a really nice animation
so be wary that the hitbox is now a low sweep if you do it
ok i did not say you had no skills
i said i think i can name arcos skills
and i wasnt sure what your skills would be
thank u yoshi for killing josho in that hypothetical situation
and preserving my life i guess
this is fucked up
have u seen what arco does when he's unsupervised
u can't trust him
this activation attack will have hordeclear capability but you need to slightly angle it above
arco can scavenge
i am a model citizen
hes very efficient at it
The correct answer is to shoot yourself to not deal with either of them
no it's not
well arco wouldnt be unsupervised im there
this is fucked up
i'm pleasant to deal with
why are u shooting either of us
shoot josho and the problem's solved
eat arcos remains
on an island
i had to shoot one of you
Also
and once you have consumed arcos corpse consume josho next
wha
yeah psykhanium loading was pretty fast
They def did some work under the hood
i would prefer to not shoot either
if there's only 3 of us
who is forcing you
?????
his desire to eliminate problems in this world
me
its a hypothetical situation??? what fun would it be if i said neither
id shoot josho as well
Also is it just me
im not on the island 
But the game runs smoother also
im sure arco knows enough math to create a raft out of a single bullet casing and joshos corpse
someone ate all of them
The only change was that they removed a wall
it was arco
@south folio why have u eaten all of the excise vaults
i am very useful in such situations
give me josho's corpse and i'll show you right here and now
can you craft a raft that can fit 2 people
lmao
or am i dead
*crickets*
hmmm
the dimensions of the raft are yet to be known until his corpse is brought here
get on with it
idunno what they did to the game but it feels so much better to play
you will be shot regardless
u took a break from the dt burnout
assume standard twink
thats what happened
I could kill so many but I wouldn't be able to eat them.
i didnt really have a burnout
okay but josho theres an easy way to survive
yea u did
i just stopped after the twins dropped
convince yoshi you have island skills
if i have to convince someone not to shoot me in cold blood they are not worth saving from the eternal damnation of hell
im playing the long game
his dead
just have better argumentative skills
it's just that easy
josho i dont want to shoot you but you simply arent making a good case atm
That movie was so weird
is that harry radcliffe
That's the Daniels promise!
u fake
Yes he is playing a corpse the entire time
i am helldiving
i cannot make a case at the same time
i am coconut crab viable
end of story
Skissue.
ski issue
go fuck urself
oh so this is how the discussion started
skele asked if i should get the medstation and i said it was 10m too far
and then he declared that i should be killed, but then pondered on the other great enemy (josho) and whether he should be killed instead
rude
did u guys know coconut crabs ate amelia earhart
they eat each other
mittins stop smoking
i have no recollection of this beyond the med station
you can't avoid your fault
well well well
@ripe quest yoshi just said that he would shoot you
this is so fucked up
because he thinks you would hatch a plot to kill him
i am being fucking slandered
Yoshi has declared if you were one of the options he would shoot you, because he feels despite being useful you would kill everyone else there anyway
skele, back me up
nvm im shooting all of you then myself
u only have 1 bullet
That's probably a good call because I am not beyond eating a human.
see exhil gets it
so truuuee sis
Zarona pen is good enough
all ace people eat humans
you have the agri revolver
that is how they make more ace people
yoshi doesn't deserve the zarona
you dont deserve rights
makes sense
Shoot myself then for bringing an Agri
you are encased in 1 inch thick iron armour with no gaps that prevents you from doing so
you must kill one of the other people
the agri revolver has surgical and handcannon
sad
I shoot myself again for putting Surgical on an Agri
No the agri revolver with surgical speedloader is banging
yoshi said he would shoot everyone in zealot chat
I propose we kill him and all get a piece of his body
how u gonna speedload a gun that only has 1 bullet dough
hmm
nice skele rp
arco are you trying to slander my good name
It's like Excalibur
skele rp: š
Who will embed the clip

watson vtuber emotes
Also that surgical speedloader altercation was funny because multiple people clowned on surgical and my goto Agri setup is Surgical + Hand-Cannon to get it as close to the Zarona's performance as possible lol
I'm not a weeb so no
i mind surg less than speedloader
Have you considered using a Zarona?
I only got GF2 emojies
i dont think anyone can be inferior to someone like u
If I were putting Surgical + Hand-Cannon on an Agri there's probably a reason as to why I'm not putting that on a Zarona.
They can both run the same setup, Zarona will put out better numbers for it.
I just like the speedloader, there's only so much Zarona reloading that I can go through before my brain implodes.
Plus the performance is about the same for Crushers with that setup which is usually a main thing I bring a Revolver for.
Lack of pen and lower damage for smaller elites though is annoying.
The speed loader part was the funny bit to me
@royal vortex yoshi has changed his mind and is now killing arco
That was extremely funny yeah
so imagine u guys were stuck on an island
It was a convo about Crushers, you have Surgical, you're running a Revolver, and instead of Hand-Cannon you slap Speedloader on
what
on gods green earth
no u dont
The true greatest joy of Darktide is when your entire team dies and you have to overcome impossible circumstances to clutch the mission while they all watch you assuming itās over and when you pull it off someone just says āsickā⦠auric maelstrom hi intensity sniper gauntlet ventilation purge.
Just discovered the crusher yesterday when the skin dropped. Holy fuck that weapon is insane if youāve learned how to compensate for weaknesses with your ranged weapon
You'd need to see the context, he came in swinging that a Revolver would solve my Crusher problems (my internet was obliterating my performance with ghost hits) and argued for it being great for them, then pulls out the Surgical Speedloader Agri
I'm sure you can find a situation w/ a speedloader Revolver where it shines or smth but I don't think Crushers is that situation
Revolver is a solution for one crusher
Itās a nice weapon for noobs to finally feel impactful solving a few problems they never could effectively solve before imo, picking specialists out of a crowd and dealing with one scary crusher
that ogryn was just doing nothing over dere
Abandoned it hundreds of hours ago
He was way out of his comfort zone, down repeatedly, all 3 were dead before the event section with the scanners
Got two clutches from that game
what difficulty?
Auric maelstrom
Second clutch I made sure to open the mission info to show the difficulty and modifiers
You can make both roughly 2 shot Crushers, I've seen setups for 1 shots but idk if that's a Zealot thing. All of this though gets thrown out the window when you drop the 3x damage against Carapace on crit.
Sad thing is I can clutch auric maelstrom but I havenāt beaten hard mode Karnak twins. Iām on Xbox been playing since mid October and am at 987 wins
Whatās the best build for a toughness regen zealot
Cause just discovered you regen toughness through melee
As soon as people do it they stop trying I think
We got latecomer issues
If you grab Blood Redemption and Second Wind you'll have a lot of toughness regen.
thats like
he didn't need to know this
the most basic thing LMAO
Vicious Offering is also pretty potent but it depends on the weapon. Fury and Chorus are toughness heavy too.
It's kinda free to come by unless you actively avoid it.
DR and TDR sources will boost your effective toughness, and effective toughness regen as well.
you havent beaten em yet?
If you want to max that out for whatever reason you could probs just grab Martyr, a bunch of TDR and DR, and Second Wind.
id reccomend just asking a few people here if they wanna play with yoou
Run +Toughness curios for Tank Martyr.
yeah second wind is an absolute primo talent
@royal vortex arco was mean and laughed at me for getting memed by a cspawn in DT your safe now
brb getting a clip of you being thrown off
how did i know you had it
Sometimes I do wonder if Zealot chat is almost always like this
speaking of though experiments and stan
were a very special but tight knit bunch
the rhino
we decided stan was probably the most dangerous to have on the island and fed him to exhilious
@coarse birch https://streamable.com/vnmuec
(skele gets cliffed after this clip)
I just fucking watched 54 minute video: half video is sound reasonable explain and the rest he make fun you being real Asian robot. Half video descent then rest idk what to say. Block efficiency and stamina curio with regen is his favorite.
i was trying to drop down to a ledge under the stairs that IS traversable
actually fucked up
block effeciency
bruh
the fear of seeing red exclamation marks next to everyone
His zealot run knife and Eviscerator
the peanut butter incident dictates this yes
stan can spawn microwaved icecream on a deserted island
it has been shown multiple times that if he's stranded on an island, he will fuck the food

holy shot an excise vault maelstrom
i can finally check out the mid event
boi
u are better than this
Been best in slot blessing since I started in October so at least since then
Uncanny great on the V but absolutely insane on the mk IV
Bully crushers without even powering up the sword ever
it always had uncanny, power blessings were just king, dunno what the state is currently
Power blessings are still good on it, and Uncanny is just universally good damage against anything that isnāt Unarmoured/Infested
Psyker who uses a staff moaning about not being picked up instead of someone else, when we're already next to a respawn point
Brah you lose nothing except for being able to move for like 20 seconds
Bro had 4 wounds too but used the only medicae charge when others were on last down
I HATE THIS LEDGE
big L skill issue
i've gotten trolled by that ledge multiple times
but third time's the charm and i no longer am rumbled by it
i wish it was like l4d2 where you could hold space to avoid holding onto a ledge
so if you wanted to die, you could just run off of a cliff and hold space instead of ledging onto it
just rumbled by snipers instead
shush
can someone make an "average bolter fan" vs "laspistol enjoyer" soyjack meme?
since when are these here wot?
Im still fucked up about this
At least it ledged me otherwise it would have been your mutie clip again
you bastard
It would be good if there were more factually correct things in this video. It's a 50/50 mix of legit info and misinformation.
dude I just did a helldive run and my ass got 200 total enemies, 1 bile titan the entire time.
wtf
Yeah
A sound reasonable explain that 2+2=5
so sad
I use Dominator sometimes
legally distinct bolter
yessir
I'm just waiting to get the Plasma Gun.
I also want them to balance the secondaries because wtf are they doing over there
Revolver has no reason to suck that bad
its good against the automatons
see you nerds 
Also rip payday 3
Somehow got an even worse playercount than darktide after launch
They are hyping up the next update
The hyped feature is a unready button
I wish I was joking
Darktide at least had and has an enjoyable gameplay loop
I stick around precisely because itās fun. Thereās nothing exciting in grinding challenges in PD3
Long live Payday 2 I guess
The superior heist bullshit shooter/awkward stealth hybrid
It dropped down to 0 players this week
The challenges are being removed tho, for the same exp system as pd2, when is it being changed?
Idk "Soonā¢ļø
Why did it take this long?
They were really proud of the challenge system
Unironically they stood their ground on it and now it's being changed
Funny stuff
Well, weāll see when that happens. If that happens - for now itās just a plan of things SBreeze will be working on
Exectly
Words mean nothing now
Actions do
And they have yet to do smt
Only talk
One of the multitude of financial fuck ups starbreeze has done
My friends and I played it, stayed for the movement tech, they patched the movement tech, my friends and I no longer play it.
Wonna know a funny part?
But payday 3 flopping this spectacularly does make the future of starbreeze uncertain
They are also currently working on a 4 player coop game in the DnD IP
So pd3 has a skeleton crew type of deal
People definitely want the game to be good, but if it doesnāt meet even the most basic of expectations in terms of gameplay variety when compared to the previous title, thatās an issue
Who's asshole child is this
sentenced to the treadmill
Anyway,
Zealot, fun class
They should give zealot a baseball bat,
40k has those right?
The paradox treadmill
That's just the steel path circuit
Legit the crusher
That works too
servoball using crushers as bats and servoskulls as the ball
weapons mod should give us baseball bats instead of crusher
Payday 3 would've been really, really fun if the abilities were cooler than... "Health bags have 4 charges now", "Pick locks 20% faster"...
There are like a few things that are actually distinct abilities and then that was the brink of their inspiration for abilities, so they just made stat filler instead
Sneaky Bastard/Low Blow in 2 was awesome fun
Opened up a whole set of new builds
Speedy crime
Unless they pour lots and lots and lots of money into it
The game has bombed so hard and they waited so long to update it properly
Would be hard to see a return on such a huge investment
The idea of acing things for more effects is cool
But toning down the crazy was the wrong approach
I probably would've played for longer than a few hours if the medic build wasn't fucking useless beyond invincibility on revive
Nerfing is wrong in pd3?
Idk never actually played 3 but everything I heard sounded like a massive step back
Then the community shall play 2.
Nothing wrong with playing an older game but it would have been nice for the new iteration to actually be an improvement
Also wtf is all this inability to communicate if you want to go stealth or loud
They're two totally different experiences but you just have to hope the 4 random people all have the same intent with it
Every time I played with randoms they kept restarting through stealth over and over instead of rolling with loud when we had decent progress
Ironically there's a Roblox Payday clone that I'd consider better than 3. Pretty fleshed out when I played it a couple years ago.
i remember playing that one, went under a bunch of different names for some reason
I had friends who did that it pissed me off so much
think it's just called "Heist" now
Like please god I just want to play a full mission
You dont even have preplanning
And everyone has 1 medkit ammo kit they can put into the map
Instead of letting an experienced player put everything down
oh man
Tbf in 2 I would do that
i dont think payday3 is saveable tbh
isnt the player count at like 300 concurrent now
Steam numbers stay so - there may be some more console and EGS players, but I doubt that itās a very dedicated/large piece of the community
Steam probably indisputably makes up the majority of the player base
Under 300
Yeah they basically removed all the aspects that ppl liked
If SB wonāt make PD3 like, free or almost free for several thousands of users on release of the Medic Bag thing, I donāt think people will be greatly interested in giving it another spin
Unless they genuinely rebuild the trash systems from ground-up, or at least halfway until the top.
Vs nothing for a month straight
Yeah but pd3 is at its core a bad game
I think that's the important part
Whether at the core the game is fun or not
I wouldnāt necessarily say itās a bad game, but the devs clearly havenāt learned from what made PD2 good
payday 3 walked so helldivers 2 could run
Very very true
How do you make the skill system more streamlined and less interesting than that of PD2 is beyond me 
Darktide also did that, but FS basically taped that old skill system as a band-aid solution, possibly carried over from VT2, and it took them almost a year to implement what they truly wanted
Darktide is actualy fun to play
have dropped down
Post em
ye but the core game is good.
it's at like 600~ now
The gunplay is genuinely brilliant. Itās fairly generic, but it has enough complexity to be at least a sidegrade to what PDTH or PD2 offered
(unless you have meant the DTās core game š)
Or just big franchise with a lot of casual gamer loyalty
so close yet so far
FIFA could shit out the same game every year with more predatory microtransaction bullshit
As they do
British teens play fifa
i'm not completely sure about that tbh
And people would line up to inject that shit straight into their veins
*european teens
and they forced me to play with them occasionally
and the actually game was decent
like how it played and stuff
what if games were just fun like helldivers
impossible
helldivers starting to wear on me though sadly
Same game as it was 10 years ago though
I already know im going to have the time of my life playing dragons dogma 2
Even if its just exploring and walking around
the game itself is a bit too casual and the gameplay loops are repetitive
I mean I would expect helldivers to wear a bit especially if you don't have friends to play with
so hoping they expand on those in future updates
DD2 will wait a year
but they are supposedly adding a lot of new content
this year shall belong to the elden ring dlc
i haven't really had any opportunity to play with friends and i don't trust randoms
I mean I'm getting Dawntrail and tbh Endwalker's been the weakest expansion for me so far
just haven't been playing much
and we should get another faction or two over time I think
Might be down to me though
Dd2 comes out 2 months before shadow of the erdtree
been doing 7/8s as a duo
don't care
the core gameplay loop is just starting to slightly get boring
i'm already playing shadow of the erdtree in my head rn
i think they'll need to add more modifiers and more ways to ramp up difficulty and add variety
we just been fucking around in 4s with a group of folks including stan and josho and it doesn't seem to lose the charm of it
ye
on diff 7-9 of course not 4
ain't nothing wrong with that
Dd2 will be the rpg of the year
the lion people scare me
not every game has to be super complicated
i'm not asking for it to be super complicated lol
Agreed
just saying that the gameplay loop at the high ends
We should add tekken inputs at terminals
doesn't have a whole lot to it
To extract you have to perfectly execute brian's 10 hit combo string
osu levels on max difficulty to send 1 stratagem should fix that
yeah I mean if you are just playing like - avoid all the enemies and efficiently run etc then it could get boring so fuck that tbh
folks were medal farming exterminates and I was just like
naw
you either shoot everything on sight or you ain't free
oh I need to play more deep rock survivors
Those planets wont liberate themselves
time to kill 80 scientists to rescue 40
Depending on the group I'll just murder hobo and run at things with whatever I have.
I don't like that the optimal way to fight automatons is to just... avoid
I mean bugs too tbh
but whatever I make them go boom
Extreme is the best difficulty to have fun it but suicide and impossible are easy enough to do for medals
i simply try to save john connor so that he may lead the resistance in the future
Helldive is not worth the trouble
If you have enough kill power you can just obliterate them regardless
Helldive isn't really much harder than T8 imo
until stan agros half the maps automatons
and you get that +250% bonus
the correct difficulty to play on is where you have fun
mhm
u get 6
I just need common samples
(i am also lvl 50 and have all the unlocks outside a few medal cosmetics, lol)
Yeah you just get like 1-2 more pink
but ye main bottleneck is green
but i did not play to farm or anything, just the fun of it
some of the gun and armor mechanics in this game
are way more complex than you would think
pretty interesting
Plasteel and Diamantine all over again.
plasteel gaming
i have hit the common samples cap
checks zealot tide an hour later to see if theyāre done talking about hell divers
Ah, now payday
I almost have all ship upgrades and man the bridge isn't worth it
and the laser rifle
i hope you can still accidentally step on teammates in the mech
u definitely can
AAAAAAAAAAA, I NEED A MEDIC BAG
I will chase stan across the map
I really hope the liberator pen gets buffed
iirc laser weapons were always shit in hd1
so gl
Petition to make a other games channel in the Darktide discord
lololol
no
no
Well, I think the main bottleneck of the Laser Cannon is the lack of a high pen small arm. It'll do really nice light and medium armor damage, but you're stratagem reliant on bigger enemies.
no
laser cannon is sad
Killing the discord community speedrun if they enforce that
where's the laser turret
ppl who dont even talk in the discord trying to enforce rules
with the automatons
lolol
Can anyone point me in the direction of the Darktide discord
Right here
incorrect, you can get more pink mats, lul
medium armor pen sounds cool on paper but not a whole lot of enemies have it and weapons that do have that pen have lower dmg
Yeah it's a bit shit against automatons
Literally say whatever you want about Darktide and people will still respond
you can talk DT and ask questions and people will respond with good information
what more do you want
it would be better than its gun version like the AC
if you have questions, ask them. otherwise this chat will naturally flow to other topics, because that's how conversation works
it's also just shit
tbh
we do not exist to fill your dt talk needs
Too slow smh.
aight time to finish my current ER build for the DLC
im shooting u first on the island
and yea i just roll diff7 all day
HD1 was the same, difficulty doesn't really scale up all that well when your answer is a mass destruction event
enemy numbers sort of become irrelevant
wtf we only talk helldivers here stay on topic
7s seem like a solid difficulty
i assume they have other enemies to introduce still because there's plenty left from HD1 that hasn't been brought over
Ironhelm is the best weapon in the game
(but if the automatons get dogs again i will CRY)
why don't get we back to the good stuff like hypotheticals involving being stranded on an island
Itās not even the best hammer in the game
get this helldiver shit out of here
i dunno i took bloodhound fang all the way through the first playthrough
ironhelm is fake hammer
look we all want to shoot josho but we have to get to that conversation more elegantly
crucis is the real hammer
I am doing a darkmoon greatsword build
fine, i shall compromise on this
Have fun squeaky toying the hordes all you like
If you look at the extreme notes that some of the other support weapons can hit I can see what you mean but it's performance is pretty good for what it does. Probs could do with like, high pen on its own because if you take one you're not doing shit to Chargers, Bile Titans, and Vehicles.
Piety, crucis, bleed talent. Bye hordes, infinite fury of the faithful spam, infinite toughness, still two shot monstrosities and one shot crushers
they do need a bit extra tho
at this point I'm waiting for shit to get buffed before doing more helldives
since railgun/shield is so boring
my brother in christ, piety and scourge on hammer?????
ammo is not so scarce that the benefit of a potentially bottomless weapon needs to be kept in line
I personally like the Scythe since it's a laser weapon that doesn't lock that high pen stuff out of your loadout.
Ironhelm, sacrifice range and moveset to compensate for a skill issue in checks notes kill chaff
But it feels like a long range focused weapon
Not calling it chastise, opinion discarded
i think game needs more planet mods
my only issue with scythe is that it has pretty average handling so i am stuck using the autopistol more than i'd like at times
and also no hitmarkers???
soires
pls give it hitmarkers
spores
weather effects
Welcome to my theorycrafting tedtalk
also crucis doesn't really one shot crushers anymore without chastise
Same as helmie now
scramble, cooldown, call down time, orbital innacuracy, uhhhhhhh
Piety for hordes, hammer doesnāt need help with anything else
shit idk i think that is it
The only BP that helm has to try more than crucis to hit is maulers atp
there is complex plotting, atmospheric spores, Anti Air, scramble,
and another I cant remember
the one that makes your shit miss
Then you get near permanent 50% toughness damage reduction, the hordes all bleed when they fall on the ground and cooldown chastise in a single swing because you can hit everything on the screen
oh yea the spores
They die on the ground
which only actually affects you when you select your first drop in lol
at mission select
you do realize that 1 stack of bleed is like 0 damage right
The ironhelm and crucis have the same attack ranges. The main drawback is the lower ST damage on the special, which is made up for by the weapon being superior against fodder and bruisers and also being more forgiving for mixed hordes. Generally better handling as well, outside of being bc reliant for the base H1 and H2 combo.
weather affects sight and in some cases weapons too
Heat nerfing laser weapons makes me so sad
and crit is not going to increase your cleave damage
lmao
also momentum buffs dodges which hammer loves
everything loves buffed dodges
unless you unbound your dodge key or somethin
i am the first face tanking hardcore darktide player
I mean it's more beneficial for hammer relative to other weapons but yeah
To go back to it I think Laser Cannon and Scythe are pretty close to being fine. It doesn't take much to hit the balance of unlimited ammo and damage.
Didnāt say crit increases cleave damage but with piety you automatically take the uninterruptible talent, a heavy swing hits everything from one side of the screen to the other, and even if it canāt damage all of those enemies they still get bleed stacks, you still hit 20 enemies in a swing, got a completely free refund on chastise
I really want some weapons to get dmg buffs
i am of the strong opinion that they would be made immediately more accessible just for adding hitmarkers to it
i am always frustrated when i fire into a mass of bugs and im not really sure if im slightly off target or not
or if im slightly off a weakspot
I do not tend to sit there and fight large hordes all the time on hammer, I be bonking everything
there's just no feedback and there's some dumb spinny crosshair obstructing all my fucking vision
Also make certain weapons have enemy highlights in the sight
Would make my life so much easier if I could tell what's alive and what's not
fucken freal
Piety crucis has made monstrous specials auric maelstrom a cakewalk that I log in throughout the day just to see if itās up, and do 300-400k boss damage per game while having absolutely zero issue making hordes cease to exist or ever even get close enough to touch me
If you hit a weakspot the crossair is orange
you are definitely exaggerating or maybe playing slowly, but sure if it works for you
Why do you think Iām definitely exaggerating
Am I insane or is 300-400k a bit low for an auric monstrous specials w/ a thammer
The duality of the zealot class page
and cause I've played the hammer for over 800 hours
sub 200k after a full round
Isn't Inexorable Judgement or Martyrdom the way to go with Crucis?
momentum is best imo
its super hard to get a read of where your damage was needed by just looking at an incomplete scorecard
Marty works too
Buffed dodges is really nice w/ Judgement
Crit is the worst pick for hammer easily
wdym dont u wanna maximize that x1.2 finesse crit mod
I commented on the damage because I've seen scoreboards hit 900k boss damage w/ monstrous specials
When I make a build and test it I ask myself what was the one weakness and what was overly strong for the build
it's funny to press F and get your full cooldown back but that's about it
Anyway back to helldivers 2 chat...
Hammer needs zero help with elites or monsters, needed help with hordes
the other issue is that laser weapons dont stun
^^^
so you're missing half your weakspots
shit i forgot about that
as you try to track
damage increase >>> crit for hordes
Bleed and instant cooldown of chastise solved the one problem
bleed does no damage that's irrelevant
90% sure an Ironhelm on it's own will outpace a Crucis with a crit build for fodder and bruisers.
you're applying one stack of bleed on a weapon that takes over a second to swing its heavy at default lul
With itās low crit rate and low asf infested damage and low asf damage at 2 stacks
Bleed gives you crit % which gives you crits which give you damage but more important it gives you back chastise lmao
Surely Inexorable giving the attack speed along with the damage is the way
Just go backstab cdr above momentum
why are you sitting there smacking poxwalkers so much
And you go thrust+slaught or headtaker
The only point is that when everything on screen is bleeding you get 30% crit from them, 50% damage reduction, which is beyond what martyrdom can offer, and your ult is always 100% available again and again and again and again and again
Which your secondary blessing gives all the horde clear a crucis needs
Just spam heavies
Martyrdom gives more
With bleed for the emperor
you only need to F every 10s generally
if you're actually taking persistent hits that you need that toughness back constantly
Backstab cdr
you have a different problem
You'd get more from Martyr, and in some cases even Judgement.
From momentum
you also can't F spam versus the thing crucis wants to do most, bonk
Is just better than crit on hammer
the attack speed is super nice too
You can hit trash from behind on a follow up hit/push attack
And get 20% cdr right there
That too, attack speed is one of the most important hammer stats
And crit build gives none
attack speed also buffs the special
If you want to run crit hammer just run a crit eviscerator instead
higher persistent AS so you can actually start stacking that bleed without just ult spamming
better reliability
but god it still wouldnt be peak hammer lol
Lower single target but can go rampage shred
How
At one wound remaining thatās 30%
Hmm crit hammer
Because of their build paths away from crit
I have a very good ironhelm laying around
Hey guys crit must be good cause crits are cool so here is my crit chaxe build
just like they'll eventually get rid of survivalist š
I will not be accepting criticism and will argue and deny any evidence that maybe crit chaxe isnt that good
Cute
Anywyays
You're spamming 25% damage and 20% attack speed, with crits. Martyr hits enough damage and attack speed to eclipse the buffed crit damage and attack speed, in addition to you still being able to grab crit CDR and spam ults. Latter principle also allows you to use Judgement and get higher damage.
Hamme is a weapon that loves flat consistent bonuses
you really only care to juice the special as much as possible
damage buffs on lights are 
I still think backstab cdr is better for hammer
everything else you hit for BP's are a bonus
For consistency yeah.
backstab CDR does go hard on hammer
It is very easy to get backstab hits when you are heavy spamming in a horde
especially given you are now incentivized to backstab things like maulers or even ragers
booty spank that pogryn to get refreshed
Cause it is literally any kill from the back 180* of the enemy
I said: Iāve run martyrdom hammer, momentum hammer, and then evaluated what was over strong in the build and what was lacking, and crit with the bleed on crit talent solved the problem
But it didnt
And since doing that
If you wanted to max this theoretical build out you'd run an Ironhelm Thammer w/ crit CDR and Martyr and obliterate crowds, w/ Martyr you'd hit good BPs on bigger enemies.
You simply see the red bleed effect
Iāve trivialized auric maelstrom with the build
And think it is helping
oh there's the self report sentence, sigh
I donāt take the bleed for the damage I take it for the crit chance to allow spamming chastise into crowds
Unless you have some series of scoreboards and video evidence
hammer is garbage and u suck for using it use crit knife like a real man
Critclaw like a man 
With Thammer you can get enough crit CDR to ult off of just the single crit from Fury
idk about you but I'm not just sitting there smacking poxwalkers and trash constantly and taking 50 minutes per game
Real man use bolter gun bash
You are solving a problem that was already solved when you put headtaker/slaught as your secondary blessing
Vermintide gaming
And please say you dont tske crit chance perk
Staff bash>>>
Or any related crit/weakspot perk
Every monster is dying in 1-2 hits if weakened 3-4 if full, and the crit build allows the hordes to vaporize, your criticisms are just all of you being mad that Iām doing something different than your meta
Help me out boss, left hammer or right?
right
right
crit IS DOING NOTHING FOR HORDE DAMAGE
I actually practiced gun bashing poxbursters it was a good time
20% more dmaageee!!!
to 1 enemy
skullcrusher rampage dclaw is funny
and then the curve falls off
it's not even 20%
That you would get if you went the other side of the tree
to basically 0 buff
it's like 15 and then scales to 8
These are both amazing
Never said it was
The locked specialist makes the left one a bit meh though
I said itās giving cooldown and toughness damage reduction
do not listen to yam he does not play darktide
your whole argument is crit shores up horde performance
Thats actualy true
Okay i dont even see your hammer
trur
You do your own thing and they dont like it
You can get toughness DR from dodging that is more reliable
Is Shroudfield Inexorable Crucis a good boss killer?
Yes
its the meme build
Wanna try it
It is the boss killer
for boss one shots
Same
yeah, right, but tbh both will work
specialist is dead though
but left has larger bonks
Least ambiguous Tzeentch daemon
Tzeentch's first attempt to forsee the future.
And backstab cdr is better than crit cdr for hammer
If you don't want hordes to be an issue just run an Ironhelm. It hits better numbers than Hsword for fodder and bruisers.
Like exhillious might have the videos saved
which ones
Of easy crucis combos to farm backstabs
Crit ironhelm does sound fun
Vs trash
do not listen to exhil either he runs speedloader
oh that's super old, might not have it
Yea i just figured if anyone
I was sitting here the whole time thinking the same thing š
It would be you
crits and scourge don't do quite as well as you'd expect on hordes, and scourge is +2 bleed stacks on crit (and bleed decaying after 1.5 seconds)
I mean hordes are hardly even a problem on hammer anymore either by default
Also half of all hordes in the game are infested
Idk works for me
yeah and it's not like i'm itching for toughness and whatnot with a horde around
nvm I have one of them

I take second wind
This is from January when I first ran the crit hammer build and didnāt even have a good hammer. Iāve been playing since October. I didnāt have that mod so I asked them how my stats are. From that day on I started hunting for monstrous special missions and refining the build now itās 300-400k damage to bosses per game and no Iām not going slow Iām in the front non stop lol
We've been playing since a year before October
You cant reliably proc crit tdr
Yes and stuck in your old ways
shame, i've only played since november
what old ways
we didn't have the skill tree back then
The ways before the skill tree
Zealot-class, this man has a different build, kill him
Crit toughness tdr is useless if you are eating bullets
So Iāve had the skill tree since the day it dropped and thatās the environment Iāve learned the game in
Lol
300k is low
the fundamentals of what are good have not been changed
If it works for you, cool, but there are indeed stat-wise better options
Lol
Me over here really wanting to throw in a Thrust + Skullcrusher Ironhelm recommendation even though laz is here
it's more the complete refusal to listen to anything
are you really using the fact that we've been playing longer as something against us
He said itās 3-4 times the boss damage of anyone else that was in the game
Back to hd2 talk then š
yeah i'd hope you have that much with a thammer
hammer kills bosses, yes, we know
Yes cause most people dont build for bosses at all
And it was my first game with the crit hammer now hundreds of games later i
My krak vet and chaxe martyrdom
Aye, just like the banter 
Would both beat 300k
have you considered that it's primarily the hammer and not the crit hammer
Iām at 992 wins now
Who cares about wins
congratulations
is your argument just throwing out numbers randomly
Rookie numbers
Mods, pin this man's build and have him publicly flogged until vet tree is changed again
Oh boy and ive been playing since early access
Yes. I acknowledge the hammer needed no help for boss damage so I pivoted the build to crit for dealing with crowds, and to be able to infinitely reposition with chastise
Your hammer is doing all the work crit is not helping

Omg do you not use thrust?
Can someone explain why zealot Amelia is taking everything I say about my build personal
Post your hammer please
Its not personal, you can run whatever you like
K hold on.
