LUcio is the sole thing that makes the game good
#zealot-class
fair igloo
delicate shadow
overwatch was fun for the first year and then it started the downward spiral
fair igloo
I'm more into not playing TF2
Hate that game 💞
fair igloo
That's trueee
It is NOT fun imo when queueing solo because of the.. colorful ppl u meet
gameplay can be addicting at least
sharp zodiac
TF2 is a 33/33/33 on what kind of people you meet
But when it lands on THAT 33..jesus
drifting wolf
caldarius peak character design
faint vapor
nerds/nerds/nerds
sharp zodiac
I'm gonna steal your toenails
fair igloo
nerds/nerds/nerds
nerds/racist and sexist nerds/fun nerds :)
faint vapor
caldarius peak character design
1% of the player base played Thorn, the funny archer, I had a 10 global KDR with her
frosty herald
gameplay can be addicting at least
That killsound has been engraved into my brain from tf2 videos
faint vapor
I thirst for stomping the noob
fair igloo
That killsound has been engraved into my brain from tf2 videos
It's just THEEE most satisfying default noiseee 💞
I used default bell for years and every time I played engi or heavy i'd get a headache
also TF2 has the best player names of like any game ever
sharp zodiac
3 kinds of hitsounds
The standard
The meme
And the anime girl
Yes you know what I mean by anime girl
fair igloo
The starykrow hitsound 💔
faint vapor
Yes you know what I mean by anime girl
I need more anime girl audio mods
fair igloo
I always wanted to replace my hitsound but every time I go to do it I just lose motivation and get too lazy to figure out how to
sharp zodiac
Am I able to stop you
sharp zodiac
Saw an enemy named the anatomizer and deadass thought of the atomizer bat
frosty herald
Lobotomy fortress 2
fair igloo
Lobotomy fortress 2
lobotomy fortress 2
fair igloo
Don't forget the pyro who both stole the medpack and didn't extinguish me :)
fading vale
yeah they just kinda seem like a crazy person so I didn't want to bother lol
sharp zodiac
Oh that angers me
frosty herald
frosty herald
Make him pay 300 dollars in unpaid taxes when shadow of the erdtree drops
fair igloo
One time I saw a player go "TF2 is my method of self harm" and that's stuck with me ever since
frosty herald
Stockholm syndrome
sharp zodiac
TF2 is something alright
frosty herald
Also tf2 64 bit
sharp zodiac
But nothing annoys me more about the game than the side that just keeps doing a one sided battle with OW
Ig you can say community moreso
fair igloo
I don't even want to get started on a certain class in pubs
fair igloo
But nothing annoys me more about the game than the side that just keeps doing a ...
that's also trueee
like the games are barely even comparable
fair igloo
Holy sweat
WHAT'S SO BAD ABOUT ITTT??
maiden path
coolest and best boss
frosty herald
RAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
maiden path
I GIVE GIVEN THEE
sharp zodiac
So doing the math
sharp zodiac
I need 30.5 gigs
fair igloo
https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-sweat-heat-hot-wipe-sweat-gif-17716050
it's just a nice looking item nooo what's so bad about it 😭
fair igloo
wut game is this btw?
maiden path
I don't even want to get started on a certain class in pubs
tf2 clip posting time
frosty herald
If it was an australium vaccinator or kritzkrieg i would have died on the spot
sharp zodiac
wut game is this btw?
Elden balls
fair igloo
I have a strange kritz but i don't think aussies for those exist
but i'm also a little dumb
frosty herald
fair igloo
sharp zodiac
So I'd have to uninstall Baldur's, overwatch 2 MH rise or warframe
frosty herald
Overwatch 2
sharp zodiac
Let me think
fair igloo
So I'd have to uninstall Baldur's, overwatch 2 MH rise or warframe
OW2 or warframe are the easy choices i think
maiden path
just uninstall baldur
frosty herald
Luna is on the warframe grind
sharp zodiac
But I love Bald ur
maiden path
one of those games u download and play for 3 weeks straight
ur not playing it now though are u
frosty herald
Who is baldur and why does he have a gate?
fair igloo
i dont have any tf2 clips on medal anymore
here's a good clip 💞
fair igloo
Watch the clip I AM swagging >:)
sharp zodiac
I just reinstalled it last week and it's gone again
delicate shadow
So I'd have to uninstall Baldur's, overwatch 2 MH rise or warframe
OW2 easy clap
maiden path
fair igloo
holy Bg3 actually is 140 gb
maiden path
this one still works i think
fair igloo
but i'd still uninstall overwatch tbhhhhh
maiden path
ok please medal
fair igloo
ok please medal
This is why i switched to obs replay buffer
fair igloo
Didn't realize medal deleted clips until I had to resubmit a WR speedrun cuz medal got rid of it
sharp zodiac
Now Elden is the second highest
fair igloo
the quality is soooo worth the space tho
sharp zodiac
Kevin, Steve, Harvey, Hart, Barry, Jewel of the commonwealth, tot, and ba
maiden path
fair igloo
i actually thought this was DMC until the tekken hud came up
sharp zodiac
sharp zodiac
Messmer more like mess Deez nuts
rigid trellis
waterfowl dance 2.0 gonna humble you
sharp zodiac
I think I'm getting my games mixed up but Elden ring is the one where people like feet Right
fair igloo
waterfowl dance 2.0 gonna humble you
Let Him Solo Me
sharp zodiac
Or is it fingers
coarse birch
fingers
rigid trellis
miyazaki the director likes feet
fair igloo
After being in their discord probably both
sharp zodiac
FUCK
coarse birch
well feet are there too
sharp zodiac
YEAH
fair igloo
however the community likes feet
actually i'm more concerned about how u know so much about this-
sharp zodiac
Ik about some of the community that likes asshair
fair igloo
WHAT??
south folio
what the
coarse birch
i am very into souls lol i just see the community talk about feet a lot
fair igloo
Arco help
south folio
no
drifting wolf
why do you know that
frosty herald
Miyazaki actualy got clowned on by his on devteam
south folio
i'm out
coarse birch
arco i think we are spawning more knife players
sharp zodiac
why do you know that
Do you think I wanted to know that
south folio
i really hope that i don't contribute to the rise of knife players
sharp zodiac
You will
frosty herald
They legit said if miyazaki gave more npc's bare feet the playerbase would clown on him
coarse birch
ive gotten back to back games
south folio
i just want to use knife in pubs and be cool
coarse birch
with 2
sharp zodiac
I need to go beat the shit out of some Mantis
coarse birch
are you playing mgs
royal vortex
my soul is crushed every time i play like an 80 ping crusher game and im stuck with constant attack shuddering and wrong inputs
fair igloo
i actually never got that far into elden ring cuz i always got lost and dropped it
drifting wolf
Do you think I wanted to know that
minor sage
alright knives will now be a premade-only weapon for me
Haymaker knife when?
coarse birch
arco is too meta 😔
south folio
augh
using the knife has made me absolutely despise people who run lacerate on knife zealot
coarse birch
ngl i enjoy knife and funny builds but haymaker is too much for me
precog actually puts in work
its very good
south folio
because i now truly appreciate the crit weakspot damage of the knife along with the bonus you get from duellist/precog
south folio
one can dream
minor sage
Where it ignores all hitmass if it pops
coarse birch
i still dont know how i feel about mk6
south folio
i hope for BM on duelling sword
coarse birch
BAD ARCO
frosty herald
i actually never got that far into elden ring cuz i always got lost and dropped ...
How
frosty herald
Go to big tree
fair igloo
The last knife zealot player I played with would go out of their way to run from the team until the team died and eventually got overwhelmed and then they'd "Clutch" by running the horde around in a circle for 20 minutes until their shroud went off cooldown so they could kill 1 bulwark with it
south folio
YOSHI YOU BITCH
coarse birch
you can't say "bad arco" and expect me to step down
you into that?
LMAOOO
you get it
i was hoping i wouldnt need to explain it
south folio
i was psychically attacked in my DMs
fair igloo
Go to big tree
i want to explore everything else first i dont want to progress main story and get locked out of content 💔
coarse birch
in what way were you physically attacked
royal vortex
what da hell
fair igloo
Psychically
south folio
psychic u dum bith
royal vortex
reading comprehension L
south folio
go back to pokemon
sharp zodiac
Hnng
fair igloo
He blew up arco's pancakes
south folio
tragic
south folio
wow
fair igloo
don't insult magikarp like that wtf
fair igloo
metapod
drifting wolf
metapod is fire
fair igloo
i'm sorry to say it but kakuna > metapod 💔
drifting wolf
that is true
royal vortex
@south folio there exists a small chance we live in the universe where ps3 gets a comprehensive moveset rework
coarse birch
pog
south folio
THE DREAM IS REAAAAAAAAAAL
royal vortex
do u know what the fucked up thing is
fair igloo
zealot chat is so off topic it took me like 20 seconds to realize u were talking about power sword 3
"wtf is ps3? Playstation? persona?"
south folio
zealot chat is so off topic it took me like 20 seconds to realize u were talking...
off topic? in my zealot chat? never
royal vortex
everyone (who matters) i have talked to about the powerswords describes the movesets as essentially having the same use cases
at least for intent
lights are dps heavies are supposed to be for horde clear
coarse birch
in the new moveset?
hushed knoll
Oh my God the gag's all here 
south folio
both existing variants being just horizontal sweeps
royal vortex
but then u have shit like ps6 push attack into l4
hushed knoll
I missed yall
south folio
exception is the mk6 but it's the 4th light and not typically reached w/o PA
royal vortex
and bm making lightspam horde clear generally better
south folio
I missed yall
hi stan
coarse birch
arent the mk3 lights diagonal sweeps
south folio
i've returned from the moon
royal vortex
yes
coarse birch
hi stan
hushed knoll
arent the mk3 lights diagonal sweeps
I'm glad Josho is named Josue and not you because you're not Latino
south folio
wha
frozen glen
arco is the latino
coarse birch
this is correct
royal vortex
am i latino..?
coarse birch
i am not latino
hushed knoll
Remember
coarse birch
however you are thinking of arco
hushed knoll
Arco
Is
Not
Latino
frozen glen
u are not making that a thing
south folio
i agree
south folio
HAHA
coarse birch
actually i think it is an abbreviation that has been said
south folio
ROB
frozen glen
bro
south folio
ROBVERSE
frozen glen
really
coarse birch
rip red
royal vortex
yea ps6/ps3 have identical attack properties outside of l4 on ps6
what the fuck????
south folio
couldn't have happened to a worse person
fair igloo
ok hold on how does your autocorrect
correct a WORD to a NAME
coarse birch
i could have sworn they were different
south folio
yea ps6/ps3 have identical attack properties outside of l4 on ps6
fatshark adding 100 ways for a weapon's damage profile to be unique and not doing any of that
royal vortex
i dont understand this
fair igloo
there is no way u mispelt red to rob
royal vortex
genuinely
coarse birch
so is it literally just the push attack
frozen glen
rebders was worse
royal vortex
how do you make such a visceral combat system that has an incredible amount of technical information under the hood
coarse birch
redbers was funny
royal vortex
BUT THE FUCKING THING YOU CAN'T DO
IS MAKE ATTACKS WITH DIFFERENT ANIMATIONS
DEAL DIFFERENT AMOUNTS OF DAMAGE
hushed knoll
Is shouting necessary
royal vortex
how
coarse birch
yeah idk
coarse birch
shouting is fair here
royal vortex
this isnt even a "it was in the first iteration of the game and got left in because time constraints"
fair igloo
AHHHHHHHHHH
frozen glen
the kicker of the backs
south folio
Is shouting necessary
YES. STANNIE WANNIE
royal vortex
the cleavier shittier damage ones
and the diagonals with better first target that reach bps like poxwalker one-shots with an insane amount of buffs
(u have to perk infested. this is always insane)
coarse birch
yeah thats the mk19 right
royal vortex
and they literally just translated those two attack types into the lights for the new shovels
nope it's all of them
royal vortex
they just changed the order and the direction the attack comes from
the mk5 has an uppercut version of the diagonal.
it deals the same damage
it is just harder to hit
coarse birch
i wish the special attacks were different
like the fold is fine
but at least like a diff move
minor sage
Dw josho theyll fix it in patch 18
coarse birch
idk why you wouldnt want an overhead
coarse birch
unless BM didnt exist ig
royal vortex
the mk19 has a stupid identity crisis because the fold overlaps with the regular strikedowns
and if you want the best value out of it you have to block cancel on an ogryn weapon which is just the worst shit ever
coarse birch
yeah thats
not it
i almost feel like QQ would feel better lol
depends on ranged ig
south folio
ok stanular
hushed knoll
He ate too many Fiber One ™️ bars
minor sage
it deals the same damage
Same with the dueling swords ye
Except it actully does less dmg
LOL
tropic harbor
Do DH still target the closest person or do they go for who triggered it
hushed knoll
I once ate a whole box of Fiber One bars cuz I was like ooo nice low calorie granola bars and I didn't realize they had tons of fiber in them and I got so sick
south folio
a certain somebody wanted only the mk2 ds lights to get the cleave buff but instead all of them got the cleave buff
south folio
I once ate a whole box of Fiber One bars cuz I was like ooo nice low calorie gra...
how many bars did u eat
minor sage
the mkV is actually my fav now
Too bad it just sucks
coarse birch
stan they are
minor sage
It just does way less dmg
coarse birch
Fiber bars
hushed knoll
how many bars did u eat
The whole box so prob like 7
hushed knoll
It was during Relay for Life
minor sage
I like ds5 moveset tbh
maiden path
I once ate a whole box of Fiber One bars cuz I was like ooo nice low calorie gra...
certified poop lord
coarse birch
it could use a little more damage probs
south folio
like a marathon?
hushed knoll
No you walk around a track the entire night to raise cancer
Raise money for
Cancer
coarse birch
yeah i think it should probably get like 20% increase if they want to keep mk4 as the high damage stabby one
south folio
ah
frosty herald
coarse birch
arco
i may be willing to concede on knife psyker
after playing knife zealot
theres still a few things i want to try but it does feel a little lacking
south folio
u psycho
the thing that makes me sad is that my DS weakspot heavies deal roughly the same damage as a crit weakspot with knife on zealot
coarse birch
its not bad even in a world where DS isnt just better
south folio
yeah it seems like a fine weapon
coarse birch
i think im not a mk6 fan though
hushed knoll
REKT
south folio
thank u stan
coarse birch
but mk6 just doesnt give me what i want from a knife
hushed knoll
I thought I was gonna get drunk tonight but I am tired
coarse birch
like i dont need horde clear
hushed knoll
I'm an old man
south folio
shame
royal vortex
the big thing about the mk6 knife is that i can somewhat hold my own as a melee frontliner in a pinch when putting no investment into the melee stuff
hushed knoll
I never want to see the inside of a car dealership for at least another 10 years
royal vortex
and whenever i want to i just run away and make the whole frontlining thing someone else's problem
royal vortex
it's 30% power for free on top of 100% adm
the numbers aren't quite precog level iirc but the cleave is nice on it
delicate shadow
postcog is better imo
royal vortex
the thing here is u swing a mk6 heavy into a horde and u get all the stacks
sharp zodiac
postcog is better imo
I prefer currentcog
coarse birch
can i go back to pastcog
royal vortex
i end up doing h1 block cancel because sometimes u catch a stray poxwalker swing u would have otherwise soaked
coarse birch
i dont use it in hordes often so i havent quite gotten used to seeing if im gonna get smacked
royal vortex
its nice for ranged vet builds
u have no other horde clear unless ur running a brauto
coarse birch
yeah
with zealot i can just either make do cause i have so much survivability or finesse boosts
and psyker just has assail
i can see it being nice on vet
or you can run like purg but purg knife felt really awkard
royal vortex
my annoyance is that vet is locked into 2 point costs for all of ur survivability
royal vortex
but 2/3 are fairly conditional
coarse birch
yeah its what OFB and iron will
ripe quest
the numbers aren't quite precog level iirc but the cleave is nice on it
Executor Haymaker will out perform an Evis for crowd damage.
royal vortex
i have to path through confirmed kill for the +1 stam node
coarse birch
thats so cursed
ripe quest
Which isn't saying a whole lot since Evis is just kinda weird for crowd damage.
coarse birch
im assuming mk2?
ripe quest
mhm
frosty herald
Damn
Imagine if we had a weapon with blocking heavies
Stamina would finally be relevant
ripe quest
horde clear
Though the Mk II will begin to outpace the knife with buffs
royal vortex
can u imagine the hell from trying to hit trade something and getting guardbroken mid heavy
ripe quest
the Mk XV will just eat shit lol
royal vortex
i dont think it works in the darktide stamina economy where ppl are sprinting a shit ton
coarse birch
trying to fight one(1) rager pack
royal vortex
in vt u can't spend stamina on movement except by the weird movetechs
coarse birch
simply walk
frosty herald
Or have stamina regen on your curio
royal vortex
you can also stack quite a bit of BCR in vt unlike darktide
ripe quest
can u imagine the hell from trying to hit trade something and getting guardbroke...
The real solution is that heavies are uninterruptable because of how large and heavy the weapon is.
royal vortex
The real solution is that heavies are uninterruptable because of how large and h...
get out of here with this ogryn bullshit
ripe quest
Nah that's the Mortal Sin talking it's dope as shit to eat a hit, watch the enemy bounce off of you because you're swinging, then you obliterate them
What the Mk XV Evis could be but it isn't because Fatshark cannot design a good chain weapon.
frosty herald
I would use the shit out of a power greatsword with the bret longsword moveset
delicate shadow
mk15 evis is just a chain weapon version of executioner sword from vt
frosty herald
Like id build specifically around it
ripe quest
I'm peeved that the Evis' are the way they are. It's an ok weapon but like if you inspect it a bit you start seeing weird bs
delicate shadow
bret longsword in DT would only work if it had innate block cost reduction
otherwise you're just gonna guard break
coarse birch
oh yeah the numbers on them are wack
ripe quest
And def do not compare performance between weapons it stops making sense rq
delicate shadow
like I'd like to see a bret sword equivalent but it would absolutely need something to assist blocking
or perks need to be rebalanced so taking stam perks actually makes some sort of sense
delicate shadow
I'd like to see a halberd too but alas
delicate shadow
vet's already got stamina stuff
ripe quest
I'd like to completely redesign how weapons are crafted if Fatshark gave me a chance
cuz like, they have way too many things that are "This is neat QoL but +damage is in the same slot"
so if you aren't damage-maxxing it's not optimal
delicate shadow
main thing is block cost, blocking in VT2 works because the standard setup most players have ends up with 60% BCR
frosty herald
Theres a reason why people's favourite weapon of all time in vt2 is the bret longsword
frosty herald
main thing is block cost, blocking in VT2 works because the standard setup most ...
People trying to heavy crushers and getting domed
ripe quest
Well in VT2 it's way more important to have stamina tbf. Average decent player here gets like ~20 attacks blocked in a whole mission.
delicate shadow
I don't think that's actually statistically true lol
it is popular though yes
or well-liked by the people using it at any rate
frosty herald
Darktide has more emphasis on dodging and staggering enemies out of attacks
delicate shadow
Well in VT2 it's way more important to have stamina tbf. Average decent player h...
it's also just that damage properties don't often give you relevant breakpoints for most weapons
highest you get on weaps in VT2 is 10%
ripe quest
That's true too
coarse birch
i block while dodging out of bad spots or if i hear a back stab sound randomly
delicate shadow
DT you get fuckin' 25% for free
coarse birch
thats it
yeah when i can take 2 25% damage perks
that mostly covers every important enemy
im just taking that
delicate shadow
mhm
royal vortex
the big issue here is more armor type distribution than damage perks as a whole
delicate shadow
thing is blocking is not that emphasized in verm at all
it's mostly there for getting revives
frosty herald
I think bret longsword still would work
Maybe give it a 35% block effeciency increase on heavy attacks
delicate shadow
like if you took away the block from longsword heavies it really wouldn't change the weapon that crazy much
it's more of a flavour thing
little thicket
I see blocking far more in verm then DT
frosty herald
I think its important to the identity of the weapon
Wait
Maybe the weapon activates on heavies
little thicket
Even from highly experienced players
delicate shadow
well it's gonna depend on difficulty
coarse birch
yeah we were just saying blocking in DT is p pointless
delicate shadow
if you're playing modded realm shit then yeah you'll probably block a fair amount
official cata the amount of blocking required is entirely down to the context and player skill
but it's really not that heavily emphasized
also dodges in VT2 don't delay stam regen
so you can shove pretty regularly if you wanna and push attacks on some weapons are pretty nice
frosty herald
It wouldnt hurt to have power greatsword be a skill based weapon with the bret moveset
delicate shadow
it'd just be nice to have weapons that aren't just a new mk
royal vortex
i would appreciate new mks so long as they arent just moveset flips
delicate shadow
they're mostly all just moveset flips is the thing 
royal vortex
the ogryn shovels between the three (i cant count) of them have
2 heavy attacks
and 2 light attacks
royal vortex
they're mostly all just moveset flips is the thing <:Guarded:972247035128447086>
the thing that saddens me is they will change the animations but not the damage profiles
royal vortex
the chain weapon variants and the vet shovels feel distinct enough to me
the ogryn shovels are just lazy powercreep
delicate shadow
new chaxe at least feels like a new weap even if I'm not into chain stuff
delicate shadow
yea
royal vortex
like idk how else to even describe the ogryn stuff
coarse birch
new revo is different even if people dont like it
delicate shadow
ogryn stuff all suffers from being put into the zero finesse, zero nuance corner
royal vortex
one of the mk5's lights is an uppercut that just does not get any extra reward for being a worse animation
like y
coarse birch
obscrurus light 2 moment
royal vortex
ogryn stuff all suffers from being put into the zero finesse, zero nuance corner
shovels being bladed bm weapons but still having 0 reliance on headshots for anything
😔
coarse birch
yeah blessings also dont help give weapons an identity
if they can can just roll BM
which thankfully the new weps cant roll for the most part
south folio
dclaw not having any blessings that interact with the parry
delicate shadow
like ogryn weapons just suck from a complexity standpoint, there's nothing to them beyond grug spam heavy, grug win game
coarse birch
ogryn is a tragedy
little thicket
like ogryn weapons just suck from a complexity standpoint, there's nothing to th...
Could i actually get a pin on my vet guide
delicate shadow
where is it
little thicket
Vet chat
coarse birch
yeah like unironically i dont know if ogryn players will function
with more than
heavy attack i win
other than josho
royal vortex
there's an arco clip of me telling skele the story about how it took me 3 twins losses to realize that rodin's bombs are in fact landmines
south folio
https://streamable.com/a5uvme
L
royal vortex
somehow this still puts me at the upper end of the ogryn iq bell curve
delicate shadow
there's an arco clip of me telling skele the story about how it took me 3 twins ...
wait you didn't realise this when we ran it at first? 
royal vortex
i think i had learned by then
south folio
no he's dum
delicate shadow
ah ok
royal vortex
because i had previously tried and failed
royal vortex
ive had some legitimate challenge trying to bring 2 less-than-aware players through it
royal vortex
it tests your patience a bit
but the people i was getting through it were nice about it
coarse birch
i nearly quit the game
royal vortex
beacon of purity shroudfield all health curios faceroll
delicate shadow
I really wish the fight was just double rinda
coarse birch
and i felt bad quitting out of people werent doing hard mode so i did normal mode 8000 times
delicate shadow
would've been an actually cool boss fight then lmao
royal vortex
my big gripe atm is that all the bossfights take place in 1 stage
coarse birch
yeah the oldest assassination could use something
royal vortex
and so it turns into 4 ppl absolutely fucking DEMOLISHING a dude until he just falls over dead
magistrati is such a missed opportunity
coarse birch
like the chasm one at least has special
delicate shadow
FS boss fights peaked with nurgloth
royal vortex
imagine having to fight through the jail cells n shit to chase the scab captain down
royal vortex
could u imagine how fkin funny it would be if u get him to 2/3rds hp
and he goes
"oh my god u guys aren't as dumb as the last ones"
and then he smokebombs and runs or smth
blissful tendon
this is salvageable right
royal vortex
just swap both perks on it
coarse birch
id do flak cara or flak/unyield but tbh you have a lot of options
josho is the expert though
royal vortex
any combination of flak/unyielding/cara/maniac is fine
flak is the most common, unyielding is good because it bullies bulwarks and this lets you hurt other things faster
cara/maniac are if u hate specific enemies
coarse birch
maniac is prob nice for ragers now that i think about it
im just so used to shooting them lol
royal vortex
dreg ragers are generally squishier because crusher has better adms into non-armored targets
coarse birch
crusher can at least kinda fight them cause funny special h1
royal vortex
and you can get by with maniac on just a gun because it gives you the dreg rager one shot bp
royal vortex
crusher can at least kinda fight them cause funny special h1
the h2 throws enough dreg ragers on their ass that you don't have to activate unless things have taken a turn for the catastrophic
coarse birch
i also run tknives which are weirdly good at rager packs
if you have any extra damage going on
or simply maniac on your gun
royal vortex
this reminds me
that zealot earlier when he was the last one up was visibly shaking
the camera movements were jittering
when he died he fuckin SHAMEQUIT
royal vortex
bro was panicking
coarse birch
hes gonna panic and die to those shooters
he did in fact die to those shooters
tbh spread out shooters with no toughness up are really awkward
but also chastise
coarse birch
ive noticed that muties dont like you
any time you get grabbed the games like what if we just apply 1/100 scenario
that gets josho killed while grabbed
royal vortex
GRABBED INTO OVERHEAD SLAM
GRABBED INTO OVERHEAD SLAM
GRABBED INTO FUCKING OVERHEAD SLAM
south folio
skill issue
royal vortex
im at the point where i think if u get temp grabbed u should just be damage immune
coarse birch
i can hear those messages
royal vortex
because FUCK ME taking my agency away and forcing me into death
is the opposite of player retention
south folio
i can hear those messages
right after he does a line of coke
south folio
that's what they all say
coarse birch
i will say disabler + fire is mad lame
like i am getting very sick of going down
and instantly 45 bombs go off
and its like ok im dead
royal vortex
the foretold deliverance of a mutant bearing a gift to his beloved crusher
in the form of MY FUCKING CORPSE
is infuriating
coarse birch
they would need to buff muties
if they were to make them do no damage
otherwise i actually dont care
royal vortex
i just want them to like
coarse birch
unless im in the middle of the room at 2 hp
royal vortex
do fucking ANYTHING to stop some of the stupid combo bullshit
where u get disabled into instakill
coarse birch
idk how theyd prevent it for like trappers
royal vortex
netted into a burster
coarse birch
at least dogs get knocked off
coarse birch
it actually threw me off when stuff stopped hitting you
when you got grabbed or trapped
i remember you used to just actually die
delicate shadow
they should bring that back
coarse birch
i honestly didnt hate it
delicate shadow
coarse birch
i might now
royal vortex
the best was a dude getting netted behind 2 bulwarks
delicate shadow
I mean it made sense to me
royal vortex
and being dragged to his death
coarse birch
but i do also kind of agree with crab that the punishment for getting disabled is being disabled
like
im kinda split on it
royal vortex
there's incredibly lame shit like the mostly fixed mutie throw into mid-air sniper shot
frozen glen
thats ableist
royal vortex
that is just comically awful to play against
delicate shadow
getting disabled doesn't mean much to me if there's no punishment for it imo, like the disable on its own isn't enough
royal vortex
but the disablers and enemies do not always play by the presumably established rules
it's incredibly inconsistent as to what will or won't kill you
delicate shadow
but specials in DT are just fuckin' jank so I get why they walked back the lethality
royal vortex
ragers continuing to assault you because their attack chains are carefully choreographed half-hour dances
delicate shadow
like in VT if you get hooked things will just donk you but it's not like bulwarks and flamers exist in the same way
rager design is terrible, hate it
bring back plague monks
royal vortex
some of the disablers should just abide by armor stop
coarse birch
ragers are p cringe
royal vortex
and u solve 99% of the issue
if u cannot normally cleave it i.e carapace/bulwarks the heretics shouldnt be fucking cleaving it either
delicate shadow
like the way ragers are designed suggests that the game wants you to just gun them down, but apparently gunning them down is a balance problem
like pick a lane maaaaan
royal vortex
the end event of warren is so incredibly fucking lame
coarse birch
yeah you have to gun them down
royal vortex
because there's a single death gate right at the end by the final set of small tanks
royal vortex
where i have no less than twice in the past week walked past the doorway
and 20 fucking ragers have come out
and assaulted me
coarse birch
but it also means i cant fucking fight them outside of there range unless its one
south folio
yeah it's a "have 2 frag nades or fucking die" check
coarse birch
sometimes i get lucky and my dodges get me out of range and i run
then i can kill them
but if you get hit with the funny pull into 80000 attacks
you die
royal vortex
the problem i run into nowadays
coarse birch
or guardbroken
royal vortex
is that i build a specific weapon for a cool interaction where if i play correctly i can stun and then kill a rager before his attack combo fucks me up
and then
there are two ragers
and everything is out the window
coarse birch
yeah i was gonna say
i can fight oen
its kinda neat to be able to
but its never one
royal vortex
and there's very little u can realistically do
coarse birch
and if it is its prespawned
and i kill it before it reaches me
because ragers only reach you when there are more than your mag can kill anyway
royal vortex
the crusher has this weird thing where after you do a special heavy you have a few seconds of being in this bizarro world where everything is calm and you can kinda scalpel a problem enemy out
or u just keep hitting the "make it stop" button
coarse birch
im also starting to dislike bulwarks more
royal vortex
my hope is the next big update is an enemy overhaul but alas
delicate shadow
I think it really summs up my main gripe with DT's balancing/design is that it really seems like FS can't decide what they want things to be
coarse birch
i have very little hope for enemy rework
maybe if they release new enemies
itll come with it
delicate shadow
so you end up with this weird indecisive eachway bet on things that just strikes the unhappiest middle ground
coarse birch
yeah things are kinda like
its def in a weird spot cause we all know player power is fucked up also
royal vortex
i learned that without any stagger gunners are an enemy that threaten me by being so insigificant i fucking forget they are there
coarse birch
dealing with this shit when we cant jsut DPS check it would be REALLY annoying at times
yeah i was worried gunners would just
be nothing
without stagger
delicate shadow
bulwarks with flamers are peak like "oh ok this is no longer fun"
coarse birch
which is not great
coarse birch
cause stagger blows
coarse birch
like i want gunners to be a threat
i just dont wanna AFK when i get shot by one
cause that shit makes me want to not play
delicate shadow
suppression is also ass
south folio
the threat being taking damage
delicate shadow
like bro why does getting shot at suddenly make my ironsights lose zero
coarse birch
bulwarks with flamers are peak like "oh ok this is no longer fun"
i wouldnt mind bulwarks making my life harder if they didnt
get staggered by other shit so i cant get them to open themselves up
have a dumb shield box i cant attack around
south folio
and it also increases your spread even if you're ADSed
so even if you want to control the suppression, there's still rng
delicate shadow
yea that's what I mean, if it increased sway only that'd be fine
coarse birch
yeah i very quickly realized you just cant fight suppression
delicate shadow
but completely throwing aligment off is just silly
south folio
i was malding so much early on into the game because i was trying to contrrol the suppression before realizing that there was spread while ADSed on the lasgun
like
coarse birch
i thought i could time the shot
south folio
WHY
delicate shadow
yeah it's ultra silly
coarse birch
esp since ranged units also knock you back
less now
but like
what you want from me lol
delicate shadow
and again it's like...is this a cover shooter or wtf is this? and the answer is no one knows because it's silly
south folio
i guess i'll just bodyshot the ranged enemies
coarse birch
i would prefer they did not lean cover shooter
its much more fun to push ranged units
royal vortex
and again it's like...is this a cover shooter or wtf is this? and the answer is ...
and the solution if you want to do ranged backline stuff is to take the "turn this mechanic off" talent
delicate shadow
yeah like the fix is removal which is just...that should really tell you that maybe the mechanic just sucks
coarse birch
yeah
delicate shadow
like ranged hitstun xddddd
delicate shadow
yea lmao
royal vortex
like this isnt something u interact with
coarse birch
like ranged hitstun xddddd
hm yes the hitscan enemy really earned that
i will just be stuck in place now thanks
delicate shadow
south folio
and all of your actions will now be interrupted
coarse birch
my b for not sitting behind cover for 45 fucking minutes
south folio
includiing your attacks or pushes or anything you do
coarse birch
getting full stunlocked was the biggest tilter for me
it felt less earned than even disabler into bomber
at least i like failed to not get disabled
a gunner can just be anywhere
esp when theres 45
coarse birch
yeah thats what really kills you
you are just stuck
you pray your F can deal with it
royal vortex
im so glad that machine guns are notorious for pushing ppl against walls and holding them in place until they die of the bullet wounds
coarse birch
man people probably think we hate this game we play daily
i once complained to my friend about how a reaper pushed me into a wall and auto killed me
he said
"its an ogryn LMG what do you expect"
royal vortex
my friends told me i have a problem at 500 hours
coarse birch
im lucky to be here today
royal vortex
south folio
"its an ogryn LMG what do you expect"
they're an ogryn main
coarse birch
like i expect it to fucking SHOOT ME
coarse birch
not push me
royal vortex
i have gotten better about turning the game off
delicate shadow
my big tilter was trying to clutch a run and I had bulwarks, a BoN and a bunch of flamers n elites n shit
south folio
i didn't know being shot by an ogryn lmg entailed being on ice skates
delicate shadow
and it was just fucking impossible to get revives
royal vortex
my big tilter was trying to clutch a run and I had bulwarks, a BoN and a bunch o...
shield bashes eating ur stam
coarse birch
at 1100 hours
south folio
my big tilter was trying to clutch a run and I had bulwarks, a BoN and a bunch o...
god damn bulwarks
royal vortex
is lmao
delicate shadow
bulwarks are literally the worst thing they added to the game lol
south folio
impossible to solo 5 bulwarks with any other threat unless you have the right tools
coarse birch
i also love bulwarks just staring at me cause one gunner was behind him
south folio
like ok bulwarks are annoying on their own
coarse birch
and staggering him
south folio
but then the game spawns >5 of them
and along with other enemies
truly, this is peak game design
royal vortex
bulwarks legit need a fuckin spawn cap until they do something more comprehensive with them
ripe quest
Damn the Dominator is really just a Revolver but better in every single way wtf
coarse birch
cause i can knock them over so they dont do that swapping advances shit
delicate shadow
they are like very early VT2 shield rats
shieldvermin in early verm would have their block get reset if more than one person attacked them and they could become impossible to guard break while also having a 360 block
so it just got gigastupid if you had multiple
royal vortex
me watching nurgle's divine intervention to make my shot bounce off his fucking forearm
south folio
me constantly block-cancelling or QQ cancelling my attack so that i dont accidentally reset a bulwark
delicate shadow
the amount of clips I've seen and the amount of times I've hit a bulwark in the spine and somehow hit the shield
is mindnumbing
south folio
waiting an indeterminate amount of time for a bulwark to finally fucking open up
oh, no, it's a shield bash and not a swing
thanks
oh i guess i have to wait again for him to swing
royal vortex
playing bolter sharpshooter for an extended period taught me how a bolter handles 6 bulwarks
south folio
and that's just ONE bulwark
royal vortex
you have to do some fucking MATH to figure out which ones to stagger so that you can kill any of them
delicate shadow
like DT's difficulty spikes rn are legit just annoying zero interaction shit as opposed to actually being a skill check
and the way every player gets around it is by taking hilarious stupid player powercrept stuff
south folio
here be 5 bulwarks and 20 ragers and other stuff
coarse birch
honestly i still enjoy some of the diff spikes
but its not always
and losing them always feels like garbo
hushed knoll
you have to do some fucking MATH to figure out which ones to stagger so that you...
Why is math in all caps
Oh
Emphasis
rigid trellis
1 psyker with a trauma staff and bb and half of these issues go out the window whether they're good or not
coarse birch
bruh
delicate shadow
I mean last time I was grinding the game out the main difficulty spikes were silent bursters lmao
south folio
https://streamable.com/jooiei
he lives in FEAR
royal vortex
but then with the current gamestate its over in 20 seconds
royal vortex
he lives in FEAR
the grenade was the perfect cover
coarse birch
like as a (supposedly) good DT player im almost having a hard time telling what even makes you good at DT
past just
i can dodge disabler
at this point
south folio
yeah, the smoke clears and suddenly difficulty spike
yeah DT feels very brainless to me
coarse birch
that stair way was so funny
south folio
no engagement or any particular combo needed
a lot of things just stagger enemies for free
dodges are so lenient in this game and very few enemies punish dodges
coarse birch
like ive had people ask me how to climb difficulties and i actually dont know how to help
south folio
and the enemies that do punish dodges come in swathes of 20
delicate shadow
DT is super brain off
south folio
yeah like have some basic motor control, have some basic understanding on some game mechanics, and you're good to go
delicate shadow
you just go through the motions and once you've got good muscle memory and non-shit builds you win game
south folio
get some experience and you can comfortably progress yourself through the difficulties
coarse birch
the only true brain on time is solo clutch or just absurd situations
south folio
p much
royal vortex
a big part of it is just knowing what exactly you can get away with
and then its over
coarse birch
tbf they had like 250 hours and were stuck and i just
royal vortex
because half the things ur supposed to do are never spelled out and instead sometimes the opposite is the case
coarse birch
didnt know how to help past that
delicate shadow
if you're stuck at 250 hours it's likely just skissue and you just need to play more
and probably actually evaluate your gameplay
royal vortex
the problem i have is that its significantly harder to get better at the game once you get past the "win most matches" plateau
and there are no harder difficulty options
royal vortex
nor are loadouts significantly different unless you are doing something really specific
delicate shadow
so many mfs will be like "ZOMG I'M STUCK PLS" and it's like bro you've been playing fuckin recon lasgun for 3 weeks
delicate shadow
the problem i have is that its significantly harder to get better at the game on...
then you move into solo stuff but then oops AI director bronk and you beat the map in 20 minutes
coarse birch
i tried solo and it was just
rigid trellis
and there are no harder difficulty options
solo que
coarse birch
wow i kite
coarse birch
then i kite again
delicate shadow
kite
royal vortex
you can't mimic the normal play experience with solo without getting someone else to just suicide
duoing also doesn't actually feel meaningfully harder
it feels like you're going to end runs more because now when 2 people get killed by the dumbest shit you've ever seen you have to restart
delicate shadow
I've duo'd enough games just by virtue of the other 2 players being dead 24/7 and yeah it's not hard
royal vortex
like genuinely the dif between 2 useless teammates and 2 dead bots is that the useless teammates will take my resources and try to teamkill me
coarse birch
arco and i played a game recently with a guy who died literally 7 times
the game was
1/16th harder
south folio
yeah I've done a few pub duos because the mission got taken off the board before other players could join
and they were very doable
royal vortex
the only time i think duoing has felt harder is when you're in one of the dps check maelstroms like i-ii-v-e-g
but even then the ai director can break
and nothing spawns
south folio
like even with the other player dying like 8 times
royal vortex
of course i have 2000 hours so going "game easy" is probably expected
coarse birch
the game is very much carried by the base gameplay being fun
atm
yeah i do feel a little bad being like
game too ez and wack difficulty
when i play everyday
royal vortex
there's a bunch of things i would do for difficulty but alas i have not been given total control over darktide which is a serious misfortune
delicate shadow
of course i have 2000 hours so going "game easy" is probably expected
I'm at 500 and feel the same but I also have a shitload of verm experience I guess
coarse birch
but i literally ran taxe 2 and agri revo on psyker and it felt pretty similar diff wise
i just tried a little harder
rigid trellis
premades with even 1 good player makes the whole game pretty easy compared to solo queuing auric maelstroms n shit
coarse birch
even solo queue now if i get a single decent player
delicate shadow
but then again tide games you kinda reach that "game easy" plateau with official content by about 200 hours so long as you're actually learnin'
royal vortex
yea
royal vortex
for like a year almost at this point i've had a like 90% winrate in the hardest available content with 4 competent players
delicate shadow
VT2 modded content at least keeps me with a good challenge
royal vortex
i wish dt did more interesting stuff with modifiers
delicate shadow
problem is baseline tide just lets you get away with so much cheap shit
because enemies stagger like they're made of paper and hordes tend to never be a threat because oops all chaff
delicate shadow
hordes not including a bunch of elites is such a massive mistake
south folio
yeah it would be nice if things were more mixed
coarse birch
ye
royal vortex
the legendary Groaner Ambush
south folio
instead of "you get a wave of groaners, then a wave of poxxies, then a wave of bruisers"