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dusty hull
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Sekiro looks much harder but it really isn't

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Except the endgame

lusty turtle
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@true kindle josho called you mum, congrats i guess

placid fiber
frosty herald
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Play lies of p and then sekiro

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Sekiro is so SO much easier

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My list is
A| DS1 - Elden Ring (exploration) - Sekiro(combat)
B| DS2 - DS3 - DeS - Elden Ring (everything else)

placid fiber
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You rate Dark Souls 2 over Dark Souls 3...?

dusty hull
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No, equal

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Same tier

placid fiber
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... what...?

dusty hull
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2 has different strengths

north sedge
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i dunno if it's still available, but you could straight up stream bloodborne on pc through their psnow service

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3 has different strengths

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3 has much better bosses and is more consistent

placid fiber
dusty hull
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2 has levels I actually prefer beyond the gankyness

frosty herald
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Ds2 is the best game in the trilogy

placid fiber
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3 has more strengths than 2 lol

true kindle
placid fiber
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I haven't even played 3 and I know it's better than 2

dusty hull
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3 does have some great levels, my favourite part was Cathedral of the Deep

placid fiber
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3 also has fucking uh

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the congregation boss thing

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So... yeah...

dusty hull
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Yeah I really like the Deacons

placid fiber
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...?

dusty hull
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One of my favourite bosses in the game

placid fiber
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....?!

dusty hull
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I do not require "hard", I want a unique experience

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Every boss being the same reaction test is boring

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I like when Souls gets weird

placid fiber
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That's fair

lusty turtle
dusty hull
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Like the run up to Radahn was really fun, mixing up Torrent and rolling while charging with an army

zealous basin
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why do u guys let stan rename u

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i would simply not

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hey wait a minute

dusty hull
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I recommend the video I linked to explain my feelings but it's just that variety is needed

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If every boss is a hyper aggressive reaction test it gets tiring

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I like gimmick bosses

lusty turtle
zealous basin
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god damnit

placid fiber
true kindle
placid fiber
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2 just fucking sucked

dusty hull
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I'm not saying 3 is worse

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I'm saying 2 has elements I like more while 3 has elements I like more

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So I can't put one over the other

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Each game has something unique to it that's fun so I don't mind if someone says their favourite is X

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Do you like bosses? 3

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Do you like the world design? 1

median steeple
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ah fuck

dusty hull
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Do you like builds and online? 2

fading vale
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I think elden ring needs even more godskins to fight

frosty herald
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Ds2 is the only souls game with a worthwile new game plus

placid fiber
dusty hull
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That too

median steeple
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godskin trio fight for the DLC

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in a rot swamp

dusty hull
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DS2 is the one game that managed to make me do NG+

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I never do NG+ for the other games

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I find it more fun to start from scratch

median steeple
placid fiber
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Watching someone soul level 1 no weapon upgrades fight the godskin duo was painful

median steeple
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the only game I really enjoyed doing NG+ on is BB and DS3

fading vale
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I started NG+ in skyrim and then asked myself why I would do this

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I mean

frosty herald
fading vale
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space skyrim

median steeple
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maybe DS1 but not by much

median steeple
dusty hull
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Also an aspect of the series
Everything is so EPIC now

frosty herald
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Also just

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Slightly walk to the right

dusty hull
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What I like in DS1 is how much less god-like you are

frosty herald
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Ac6 filtered alot of souls players

fading vale
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played DS1 on the switch over covid lol, it was amazing, first souls game

dusty hull
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Elden Ring I have 3 different particle effects and insane moves while in 1 I felt like a normal person surviving and then becoming a demigod

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please sony

fading vale
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the map design absolutely blew my mind in 1

median steeple
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give BB and DESR a pc port

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I'd be fine with just a DES port

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I would be fine with a DESR port if they allowed me to change the music

frank night
frosty herald
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Changing unnecesary stuff in demon souls for some reason

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The new music is so much worse

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The fat official is the most outragious change

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Again it's the effect of how hyped the series is

median steeple
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I dont really care for the DES soundtrack besides storm king and Old King Alant

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Before it was good now it's all EPIC

true kindle
median steeple
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and i prefer the new versions of them over the old but music is subjective

dusty hull
fading vale
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just be a pro like me and find the black knight greatsword from the first couple kills and then dump everything into strength

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it really is

frosty herald
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Generic orchestra number 50

median steeple
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why do games give the character creations good music

dusty hull
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Like using the Zwei in 1 is still normalish but in ER I can get a teleporting sword in like 30m

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BG3s "who are you" song is great but you only hear it in creation

dusty hull
light holly
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I will say I wished they did more music tracks like the harpy music

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Mhm

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Also the Nightsong track

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Really good

light holly
median steeple
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DS3 and BBs soundtracks are the only ones I listen to on the regular

dusty hull
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Did you hear the Betrayal version of Down by the River?

hushed knoll
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Bloodborne has British vampires that fall in love

median steeple
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I think?

true kindle
light holly
light holly
quasi marsh
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DS2>3

fading vale
quasi marsh
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my hot take for the day

light holly
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I hope the soundtrack guy makes the ENTIRE ost

dusty hull
quasi marsh
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also ER suggs

dusty hull
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I really dislike ER's music

hushed knoll
true kindle
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Thank God for youtube ost uploaders lol

light holly
quasi marsh
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but im withholding judgment until DLC because DLC made every game better

frosty herald
fading vale
true kindle
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Hai dudu two got struck down

median steeple
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fromsoft giving Laurence the best music but one of the worst fights in the game

true kindle
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Or at least. Slow walkthroughs // ambient music doesn't

dusty hull
true kindle
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Or whatever his name is

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Goated uploads

dusty hull
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They already did similar music for DeS - 3

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I vastly prefer Sekiro's music over ER's for example

frosty herald
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They nuked infinite wealth soundtrack uploads off of youtube

fading vale
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did yall see OW2s new hitboxes

light holly
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Oh also, the Durge music and the temple of bhaal

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Hit diiiifferent

median steeple
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all of DS3s themes are bangers besides like oceiros

light holly
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I'm still in the boat that people should he encouraged to play durge first

frosty herald
dusty hull
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If you like the BG3 OST I recommend Divinity's 2 OST

dusty hull
true kindle
fading vale
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when's the next DT music

dusty hull
median steeple
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all of the ancient dragon fights are great

misty raven
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Tekken 8 ost uwugryn

hushed knoll
dusty hull
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My favourite boss theme is actually the Great Ancestor Spirit or whatever

true kindle
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It felt different

true kindle
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Also Necrom ost

dusty hull
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Otherwise after playing the series so much, epic choir is just ok

frosty herald
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All dragon fights having the same goddamn track

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They shouldve edited ekzyke's and azula's track

median steeple
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I would enjoy the godskin theme more if I didnt have to fight so many of them

true kindle
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Black knife assassin fight music and generic "formidable foe" filler boss music are also surprisingly good

median steeple
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fuck the feral dragons I hate those fights besides azula

fading vale
median steeple
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gonna die

true kindle
frosty herald
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Azula has the fuckoff blade that vigor checks you

median steeple
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adula there we go

dusty hull
north sedge
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the catacombs ambient music is good too

dusty hull
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Just imagine hearing similar music for 3 games

median steeple
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a dragon that wields a magic greatsword is peak

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north sedge
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also elden ring has the probably the most ridiculous main menu theme

dusty hull
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It's great

true kindle
median steeple
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its so fucking loud

dusty hull
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I get why people like it, I just want to hear something different

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Like Ancestor Spirit

median steeple
fading vale
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how many people did not do Rannis path first

true kindle
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Not me lol

frosty herald
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Holy dragon or deathblight dragon in the dlc

dusty hull
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I did her thing because she gave mf directions

quasi marsh
dusty hull
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The one questline I didn't need a guide because FromSoft is stupid

quasi marsh
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the lady who gave me hugs gave me hugs

fading vale
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lol

median steeple
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the one theme that has yet to be topped for me is ludwigs

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the insane first part then the amazing holy blade part

true kindle
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Imagine what she could do with four hands at once yknow what I'm saying? Of course I did her path first. Who else am I going to listen to, fucking Goldmask? Mf wearing Luffy's strawhat on his face I ain't taking shit from him dawg. Look at my spiritual advisor I'm going to jail

dusty hull
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I think Gwyns is my favourite of the series

quasi marsh
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ludwig is also the best fight they ever made

dusty hull
median steeple
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I love gwyns but I like the spin that soul of cinder does to it

dusty hull
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I quite like Goldmask

median steeple
north sedge
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rennala's music is great too

median steeple
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sucks I have to fight him at 30fps

quasi marsh
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the theme and gameplay integration is peak

dusty hull
frosty herald
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Hmm

fading vale
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I never interacted with the uh, annoying dude outside the start, as soon as he said I had no bitches I murdered him

frosty herald
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My favourite theme would be hmmm

median steeple
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Varr

frosty herald
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Hmmmmmmmm

median steeple
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I do just to get the mohg

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who also has a decent theme

frosty herald
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I actualy dont know

quasi marsh
true kindle
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Mohg has a good theme too

dusty hull
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Now the real music question
Best hub music

true kindle
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Dracula type beat

quasi marsh
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in fact you literally cant even complete his quest without shanking other people

dusty hull
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My favourite is probably Majula

fading vale
quasi marsh
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cant do it because im playing with mods offline lul

median steeple
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Nihil!

dusty hull
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It's either Firelink or Majula

true kindle
quasi marsh
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oh they did?

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cool

true kindle
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Ye

dusty hull
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Yeah that's what I did

quasi marsh
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well i havent played in a while

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since release

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You can do it to get a +10 somber quick

median steeple
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you dont even need to kill the players btw if you just invade it counts

quasi marsh
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ER's open world made me go

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I don't particularly care for pvp stuff in souls, just wanted to run around and explore

quasi marsh
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EH

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so i never came back to it after once

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ER had great visual world design

true kindle
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I used to be pretty active and obviously a pretty big deal in the Elden Ring discord so obviously I know these things (I am very smart)

quasi marsh
median steeple
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I hate ER pvp due to the fact they need to have a summon with them

quasi marsh
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the open world is just weak gameplay wise

dusty hull
dusty hull
quasi marsh
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i dont think ive played a single open world game where i went "yeah the open world made this better"

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Also I think Limgrave is probably the best area

quasi marsh
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esp for a game like souls where enemy placement and player approach angle was very intentional in older games

fading vale
true kindle
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that place was dope

quasi marsh
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its just a modding platform

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so no i cant imagine skyrim as a game period

true kindle
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Opinion denied

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ER open world is good, this is coming from someone who is pretty over open world games

dusty hull
coarse birch
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ER open world is good

median steeple
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ER has benefited and suffered from its opened world

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Yup

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Mainly bosses

median steeple
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I dont think I've ever been blown away by a games open world outside of ER

dusty hull
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Who the hell thought we should reuse Godrick

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its full of like not great bosses as a result but the exploration is very fun

median steeple
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I guess BG3 is up there

quasi marsh
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bg3 isnt really open world

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in the same sense

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at least

dusty hull
median steeple
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there is some great optional bosses in ER as well

true kindle
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ER open world allowed me to play and enjoy it in the first place. The inflexible and demanding level design with enemies the game doesn't let you circumvent without dealing with them and the long distances between bonfires made me quit it early on

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like placiudax or however

quasi marsh
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DS1 isnt open world either, its just a 3d metroidvania

true kindle
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Metroidvanias are just open worlds with ability requirements

north sedge
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eh

median steeple
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everything after anor londo is

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augh

quasi marsh
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jk

coarse birch
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placi is prob my fav dragon but thats not really a high bar

median steeple
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Forti is mine

dusty hull
misty raven
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The exploration could've been better if there were more rewards from the small locations. Getting spells when you're primarily melee kinda sucked

dusty hull
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The 50% of the game is bad is BS as criticism

true kindle
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Placudisax lightning spear nuke is the hardest attack I've seen in a game bar none

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Turns the mf sound off

quasi marsh
median steeple
dusty hull
coarse birch
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i could do with it being more involved than "run away"

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\but yeah

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it looks cool

median steeple
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One of the hardest bosses in fiction I love everything about the fight

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Then by 3 they placed them everywhere

true kindle
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me casually forward dodging into a literal nuke

median steeple
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the best boss in ER is still godfrey and horah loux

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It doesn't feel like a trip if I can teleport everywhere immediately

quasi marsh
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like, i dont like feeling like the entire game is just a sprint to the next boss

frosty herald
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hoarah loux is the best elden ring boss

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hes the most fair boss ever

quasi marsh
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hot take but i dont even like souls bosses very much compared to the enemy encounters throughout the stage design

median steeple
quasi marsh
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and every enemy encounter in the open world is run past them with horse lmoa

misty raven
dusty hull
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I beat ER over 10 times

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help

quasi marsh
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like

dusty hull
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ER went back to area focus for some parts which I really liked

quasi marsh
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maybe its just me

median steeple
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so many builds to try

quasi marsh
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like sticking the res points/bonfires right next to bosses

dusty hull
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In some parts

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figuring how to efficiently navigate your salty runback was part of the fun

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now u just throw yourself at fog door

dusty hull
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You're right in that regard

quasi marsh
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i approach it very differently because of that personally

frosty herald
median steeple
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DS2 run backs were the worst in the series

north sedge
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some still had runbacks

dusty hull
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At least it's not DS2

quasi marsh
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dying feels like it doesn't matter, im just bossrushing

median steeple
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besides like Aldrich's

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stakes of marika are goated

north sedge
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and i dont miss it being oops all runbacks

quasi marsh
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i like the runbacks lol

misty raven
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Best thing ER gave me? Power stance whips and whips not feeling like shit

quasi marsh
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except the one that cost u effigies in ds2

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that was pretty dumb

dusty hull
quasi marsh
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yeah

dusty hull
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Hell at least Demon Souls gave me actual fear

quasi marsh
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like there's no tension

median steeple
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i better be a damn joke with how the bosses act sometimes

true kindle
# quasi marsh and every enemy encounter in the open world is run past them with horse lmoa

Yah but then you miss a lot of shit by running past it too fast to see it. The game invites you to walk around so you can spot hidden entrances to crypts and shit and challenges you with enemy encounters by doing so, but also gives you the option to sprint around on the horse in relative safety, giving the player a sense of control and agency that allows newcomers who find DS too stressful/unforgiving a better state of mind from which to tackle the challenge and slowly get into the deep end of the pool

quasi marsh
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when i enter a boss arena

true kindle
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It's very smart

quasi marsh
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before i had a lot of tension

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Past Morgott imo is generally frustrating

quasi marsh
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if i die again its another runback

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now its like "lmao who cares"

frosty herald
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the ds2 devs were evil with the secret ring you get in ng+ if you didnt die during your playthrough

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and then creating the gutter

median steeple
dusty hull
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whip builds scare me in pvp

quasi marsh
misty raven
dusty hull
true kindle
quasi marsh
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but i enjoyed them

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lul

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even the outrageous ones

dusty hull
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And that's ok

true kindle
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For legal reasons this is a joke

median steeple
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speaking of sleep

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cant wait for even more sleep spells in the DLC

quasi marsh
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but keep in mind

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my favorite part about every game

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is the swamp of defilement/blighttown/gutter in the game

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and that's also why i dont like 3

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they took it away from me

north sedge
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yea ER open world invited you to explore shit, i was down for it, most other open worlds i just nod off

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you are fucking deranged

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ngl

frosty herald
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imagine not eating boiled crab

dusty hull
true kindle
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ER lake of rot had me questioning my sanity a few times trying to find everything in it

quasi marsh
median steeple
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then there is the boss fight in the middle of it

frosty herald
quasi marsh
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ill never forget in ds1

true kindle
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That was wild

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Rewarding tough

median steeple
true kindle
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Though

quasi marsh
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when i fucking got cursed and had to climb ALL THE WAY BACK UP TO BELL GARGOYLES to uncurse myself

frosty herald
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the dragon knight ontop of sofia river is bad enough

quasi marsh
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that was funny

median steeple
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holy shit fuck DS1 curse

dusty hull
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Yeah it felt like an epic trip

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But naturally epic

frosty herald
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ds1 curse was cancer

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like holy fuck

dusty hull
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It was great

median steeple
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especially the almost guaranteed one in the seeth encounter

quasi marsh
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i like the punishment

dusty hull
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Same

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Proper tension

misty raven
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In ER farming those archers for their armor set in the snowfield was hell. Why are they placed that way, fire as fast as they do, hit as hard as they do and tanks enough that they don't fall over from 1-2 hits

quasi marsh
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it makes it feel like an adventure and not a video game

dusty hull
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You need stuff to make you go DAMN IT

quasi marsh
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when there's no consequences its just a video game

true kindle
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That whole follow ranni's quest -> find lake of rot -> explore cloister area -> find fucking ASTEL sequence was godlike exploration design

lusty turtle
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@true kindle whats a good ogryn melee

dusty hull
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The path and areas were great

true kindle
median steeple
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after ER I've gone back to play through with lightning in all the games I can

misty raven
quasi marsh
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i hope its not controversial to say tho

dusty hull
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Oh yeah an issue with ER
I think it's too big

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i love the absolute fact that you can go straight to astel the top of liurnia and the deathblight roots from killing radahn

quasi marsh
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the best game they made was BB

median steeple
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but DS1 sucks me back into the darkmoon builds

dusty hull
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The world is so big that I was sick of it by Snowfield+

true kindle
quasi marsh
median steeple
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I started skipping stuff when I got there

quasi marsh
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its just tedious

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im just waiting to get to the next legacy dungeon every time

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rather, its quaint at first, and i really liked the lmao teleport to caelid chest

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but that was the peak of "interesting open world" to me

dusty hull
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I don't like Haligtree, Farum Azula, and Sol Castle

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I know I'm insane

frosty herald
quasi marsh
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tbh me neither

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but idk if its just cause iw as sick of the game by then

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in general

true kindle
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Stormveil goated

quasi marsh
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the game just got less enjoyable as i played it over time

frank night
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it'll depend on how much you like or dislike traversal, which is a big part of open world games

median steeple
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I love Farum azula

frank night
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I absolutely loved just riding around on not-roach

median steeple
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also the capital is great

frosty herald
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elden ring atleast has stuff to find

median steeple
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before being ashed

frosty herald
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unlike ubisoft

frank night
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I also really love just driving around in cyberpunk

median steeple
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climb another 100 towers peasant

dusty hull
frank night
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The travelling somewhere or nowhere in particular really compels me

median steeple
royal vortex
frank night
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v.4

median steeple
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I fucking love driving through a city in the night

quasi marsh
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it must be because i hate driving irl 😔

dusty hull
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Most of the loot was bloody magic or pokemon you couldn't or wouldn't use

true kindle
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Starscourge greatswords was goated though

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Double jump attack damage for free

frank night
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idk I find driving irl pretty stressful because of the ability of some chucklefuck to disable me for life by pulling out of a junction without warning

north sedge
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i just liked exploring, i didnt care if i got loot out of it

dusty hull
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I ignore so many catacombs now

frank night
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but in a vidyagam there's none of that

frosty herald
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i absolutely despise that the mirrah greatsword moveset is only on 2 greatswords in elden ring

north sedge
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i hate driving but enjoyed exploring ER's world

dusty hull
true kindle
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The catacombs are annoying because they're like dark souls

quasi marsh
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oh yeah

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and one other thing

dusty hull
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Very few catacombs felt worth it

quasi marsh
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man

frank night
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by the mountaintops of the giants in ER I'd kinda realised that one crypt was much like another

quasi marsh
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do i not like ER's story

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maybe that's part of it

north sedge
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i liked all of it

quasi marsh
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i didnt care to explore because the story was dull as hell to me

frank night
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when it comes to from soft 'story'

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I usually say

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'what story'

quasi marsh
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idk

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BB was really good

dusty hull
quasi marsh
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and DS3's story was probably the best part about it

dusty hull
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The joy is figuring it out myself

quasi marsh
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yeah same

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but idk in ER its like

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"and then this god fucking killed that god and then the other god was like this" and im like ok then

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everyone being not-hollows because lmao rune of death felt like a poor excuse to just rehash the same enemy type too to me

dusty hull
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I have a different interpretation of the events so it's interesting talking to people about it

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ERs story felt like it lacked any progression in the world

lusty turtle
quasi marsh
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like

north sedge
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i mean that's miyazaki's whole thing, the story is done that way based on him reading western fantasy as a kid while not having a great grasp on english, pieced together histories and such

true kindle
dusty hull
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For instance I do not think the Greater Will is an Outer God

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Or that Shabiri slandered the nomads

quasi marsh
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it would be more interesting if the enemies actually talked! if they had loyalties to certain gods and whatnot

misty raven
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For their first open world for this style, they didn't do shit except for the very end after maliketh

dusty hull
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That would be cool

quasi marsh
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but instead it just feels like im exploring not-dark-souls

dusty hull
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I wanted ER to be different

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Not just Souls again

quasi marsh
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with a lazy excuse of "oh but they're kinda crazy because nobody dies but this totally isnt souls"

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like man

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I LOVE BB mobs

dusty hull
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But it's too much like Souls

quasi marsh
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since they actually yell at you

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and tell you to fuck off from yharnam

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even that little thing makes them feel different

dusty hull
frosty herald
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the only dlc info we have is that miquella image

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they have several unresolved things

quasi marsh
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"this town's finished...!"

dusty hull
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She shows up early
Basically disappears and only if you go to churches and the FF area
Then the ending

quasi marsh
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yeah random yharnam dude

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the town is totally finished

frosty herald
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like miquella's body the gloam eyed queen and godwyn

misty raven
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Lies of P pretty cool though

frosty herald
#

LIES OF P IS GOATED

quasi marsh
frosty herald
dusty hull
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ER should've had way more NPCs and talking

quasi marsh
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just some petty feud in the background that has barely anything to do with the game

median steeple
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Oh god oh fuck

north sedge
#

🤔

median steeple
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I might be dragged back into dbd

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No please

dusty hull
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The Roundtable Hold should've had a bunch of Tarnished
Then if you got Volcano Manor, you actually kill people you know

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Not just Tarnished you don't know or heard of

frosty herald
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either way the dlc will be big

quasi marsh
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yeah maybe the dlc will fix everything

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dlc fixed ds2

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and made it my favorite

dusty hull
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Instead of being DS4 it should've deviated
Also why isn't that Hold lower floor a PvP arena

true kindle
dusty hull
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Dark Souls 1 has the best intro cutscene since it's all relevant

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Every single part

north sedge
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yea it's pretty upfront and connected

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for a souls game

frosty herald
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slave knight gael was the best boss to end the dark souls trilogy with

median steeple
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The only reason I would want a ds4 is so darkmoons can get there fucking blue ball back

dusty hull
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DS2 is just YOU WILL DIE and FIND CURE

quasi marsh
#

peak

median steeple
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But yeah the series is better off ending with 3

frosty herald
#

well

quasi marsh
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it was all about memory loss and forgetting why you even came here in the first place

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which you did by the end

dusty hull
quasi marsh
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you're busy running errands to be the ruler and in the first place you never even came for this

frosty herald
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the age of fire went on for so long that when you fight gael your brought into the future and every kingdom is just buried under ash

dusty hull
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I just think a lot of it's imagery is not useful

quasi marsh
true kindle
quasi marsh
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its not

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unironically that is peak

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that is what souls was all about

frosty herald
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every dark souls game shouldve finished with the age of darkness

frosty herald
dusty hull
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Like the whirlwind water is very cool but never comes up ingame

frosty herald
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more context on the situation

dusty hull
median steeple
frosty herald
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also drangleic castle being visible

quasi marsh
#

ya

true kindle
dusty hull
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ERs endings however should've not been vague

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Rannis is fine

north sedge
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vague is the name of the game

dusty hull
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But they should not be just me sitting on a throne with a different sky

north sedge
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only sekiro really has anything concrete

dusty hull
quasi marsh
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BB is pretty concrete

median steeple
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I mean plunging the world into darkness isn't vague

quasi marsh
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hell

dusty hull
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There's vague and then there's reusing a scene over and over with different colours

quasi marsh
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Souls 3 is concrete

north sedge
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ranni's breaks the cycle but still has vagueness

frosty herald
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ranni isnt even good lmao

dusty hull
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Ranni and Flame have cool cutscenes

dusty hull
frosty herald
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she killed godwyn and infested the caverns with deathblight

dusty hull
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Despite her horrible actions

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Same with Marika

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But "Greater Will" evil or something blah blah

true kindle
#

And even his bullshit is relevant because it centers the oppression of the Omens and the ... Uh... Winged gobliny dudes that people used as servants. Which is emblematic of the systematic, schematic, dividing fascism of the golden order, which is important to raison detre for the Frenzied Flame

north sedge
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ranni is the best of the a slew of bad options, there's no happy endings in these games

frosty herald
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perfect golden order is the true ending

dusty hull
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Or Perfect Order

median steeple
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I need more from soft games using outer cosmic beings

dusty hull
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But that's too vague as well

quasi marsh
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but im p sure ppl said the ending was mistranslated

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she was trying to help

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or something

north sedge
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golden order fundamentally not a great time either

frosty herald
true kindle
dusty hull
true kindle
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Ranni's ending is functionally divine anarchy

hushed knoll
median steeple
dusty hull
north sedge
true kindle
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She removes the hold of the Elden Ring over the lands between entirely and fucks off to the stars for a millennium iirc

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It's similar to what Melina wants

dusty hull
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She doesn't really remove it, she just doesn't make it tangible and rules directly

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Souls, order, and the ring exists just far away

frosty herald
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i wonder if we do have to fight melina as the gloam eyed queen

frank night
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doubt it

north sedge
#

🤔

median steeple
dusty hull
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Perfect Order as I understood it was basically the Protestant Reformation over the Catholic Golden Order

true kindle
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Also someone said earlier that the rune of death is related to the not-hollows but that's a misconception imo

frosty herald
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shouldve given the rune of death to godrick

median steeple
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yeah the age of death ending just means people can actually die instead of being put into the tree

quasi marsh
frosty herald
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dung eater ending is the worst possible ending imaginable

quasi marsh
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the whole backstory leading up to the game is that the rune of death got fucked so nobody could die, aka, their excuse to just make the enemies "hollows but not really" again

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not referring to the ending for age of death

frosty herald
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ranni stole the rune of death to kill godwyn and somehow fucked up even more after that

dusty hull
frosty herald
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since godwyn is now the source of deathblight

median steeple
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the literal shitpoo ending

quasi marsh
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pretty sure age of death ending is just "skeletons are people too"

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i could be wrong though

hushed knoll
quasi marsh
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the ending was confusing

dusty hull
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It's vague in the annoying sense

north sedge
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marika plays her part as well, she goes tear it all down mode

median steeple
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nah its just people can actually die now iirc

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since during the age of the erdtree you couldn't die

dusty hull
north sedge
true kindle
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The rune of death is destined death, which is the rule that all living things -- including gods -- must die. It is what Malenia removed from the Ring to ensure the eternal and unassailable nature of her and her dynasty's rule. It is why the assassins needed a fragment of it to assassinate Godwyn, and why the deathroot that sprouts from his corpse reverses death where it spreads and returns dead things to unlife. The peasants and shit you find in the world where long-lived because of the Erdtree's blessings instead, which have been diminished because of the Elden Ring being shattered, and that shattering is why everyone is a mute zombie. The rune is not involved with them

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imo anyway

dusty hull
median steeple
frosty herald
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i genuinely hope that there is a flashback sequence in elden ring where we fight in the shattering war

median steeple
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thats why every ending gets it

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I really wish they showed more of the war

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since the trailer was fantastic

true kindle
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Oh yeah Marika is the queen oops

frosty herald
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the dlc should have it

true kindle
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Not Malenia

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You get the gist

median steeple
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like the army being pelted by giant ballista's

frosty herald
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malenia was a sore loser

dusty hull
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Marika
'Merica

frosty herald
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couldnt handle being defeated by radahn so she spreads scarlet rot all over the landmass

north sedge
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not far off considering marika colonized in the name of the order basically

hushed knoll
true kindle
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ER lore gets really interesting when you try to figure out why Marika turned on the Greater Will, why Radagon is a part of her and why he came into existence, and why he opposes her actions and acts as her jailor

dusty hull
frosty herald
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Radagon and hoarah loux are legends

dusty hull
quasi marsh
dusty hull
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Due to the dialogue in the bedroom

quasi marsh
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cause i think fia returning death to ppl is a misconception

north sedge
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marika removed death to ensure the order is everlasting, same themes as dipshit mcfireage from dark souls

true kindle
quasi marsh
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literally during her questline all she talks about is how skellies are discriminated against

true kindle
quasi marsh
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she likes the skellies

quasi marsh
dusty hull
frosty herald
#

What are even the implications of fia dying

true kindle
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Her mending rune is about including the undead -- those returned to "life" by deathroot -- into the golden order, enshrining their right to exist

dusty hull
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I like to think the dragons and beastmen served the Greater Will

true kindle
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Nothing else imo

north sedge
frosty herald
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Since she gives you the rune of death wouldnt her plan fall apart when you just dont use it

dusty hull
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I do have no idea where the Snake God came from

frosty herald
quasi marsh
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could you really betray her like that

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😔

frosty herald
#

So primordial energy is weakened

dusty hull
frosty herald
#

Fuck that hoe

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All my homies love hunter D

dusty hull
#

I for one do not need physical touch

quasi marsh
#

hunter deez nuts

#

he didnt hug me he can fuck off

dusty hull
#

Men of this age:
OMG you gave me a hug! Slay queen and let's make an Age of Death

quasi marsh
#

exactly

dusty hull
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It's pathetic /s

quasi marsh
#

no u

dusty hull
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Just it's original form

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The parasyte theory I do not believe

true kindle
# quasi marsh where did it say that ppl didnt die even before the rune was removed

Well idk. We don't know anything about human societies before Marika, outside of their burying rites (topside sarcophagi, lampwood to guide the dead to the spirit world). But there are item descriptions that explain how Marika bestowed longevity on her citizens through the Erdtree, and all of the dialogue surrounding Destined Death suggests to me it exclusively concerns the immortality of Marika and her demigod children

median steeple
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crucible knight builds are fun asf btw

dusty hull
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Destined Death is for gods
Death is for everyone

true kindle
#

Oh and the Carians and astrologers predate Marika

dusty hull
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And Giants worked with them

cerulean wing
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Why the fuck is this chat about everything except zealot

dusty hull
#

At least friendly neighbors

median steeple
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fuck this boss

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cool as hell tho

dusty hull
cerulean wing
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Psykers, all of you.

quasi marsh
north sedge
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because sometimes conversations take other directions

quasi marsh
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mentions ppl dying for example

north sedge
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and you can't talk about the same one thing all the time

median steeple
quasi marsh
#

maybe marika just decided u died when you were good to fuck off

median steeple
#

they "died" in a sense

dusty hull
true kindle
#

Very totalitarian.

dusty hull
#

Didn't Margit use them?

true kindle
#

Margit led them, but he was loyal to the Order. I'm sure he just did what he was told, which he continued to do during the Shattering

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Kill challengers and pretenders to the throne

dusty hull
true kindle
dusty hull
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I could see that

north sedge
#

she did a crusade

median steeple
#

poor margit

dusty hull
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I took her as an analogy for the Catholic Church

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And the Pope

north sedge
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then changed her mind much later

true kindle
dusty hull
median steeple
#

battlemech

dusty hull
#

Gods in ER are not gods but just chosen prophets/avatars

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Outer Gods are actual supernatural crap

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And the Greater Will is either the first among equals or unique

true kindle
#

Marika and the Golden Order are an embodiment of the status quo of life as ordered and quantified and accounted for. Just like God demanding two of each species on the Ark, no more and no less. The Frenzied Flame embodies the opposite, and a return to primordial soup and one-ness of all living things vs division and categorization based on immutable qualities and taxonomy

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But, again, that's my take

dusty hull
#

It's a neat take

frosty herald
#

frenzied flame is hella evil

dusty hull
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It's nihilism

quasi marsh
#

is it really evil

dusty hull
#

Yes

quasi marsh
#

kale asked you to soup everyone in his (cut) quest

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can you really say no to a friend

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😔

dusty hull
#

Yes

median steeple
#

the despair I feel when i remember they cut kales quest

true kindle
#

The Frenzied Flame is a freedom fighter that says "they can't oppress us when we are no longer different from them. Let's destroy the world and become One"

median steeple
frosty herald
royal vortex
frosty herald
#

shabriri took over yura's body

lusty turtle
#

hank

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why does rumbler ogryn exist

coarse birch
#

could have just said ogryn

lusty turtle
#

truuuu

median steeple
dusty hull
median steeple
#

banished to play with p13 ogs

dusty hull
#

The Greater Will has influence over the Outer Gods as the needle you use is GOLD

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Miquilla was interested in unalloyed gold, aka pure gold

frosty herald
#

shabriri is genuinely dumb

true kindle
#

This also ties into the Ancestor Spirits and Followers, whose related item descriptions indicate that the normal cycle of life and death in the Lands Between was one of death and rebirth, the corpse and life essence of one dead creature directly feeding into the birth of a new one. But the Golden Order ordained that the worthy dead were interred next to the Erdtree's roots instead, and for the souls (life essence) to be absorbed by the Erdtree. No rebirth in the natural way -- the process was hijacked by Marika. Or the Elden Beast, ultimately

frosty herald
#

comes up with a scheme to accuse the merchants of heresy

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the merchants get accused and they all fall to chaos

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truly a scheme as dumb as tzeentch's are

dusty hull
#

I don't think that happened

true kindle
dusty hull
#

I think the slander and the merchants are two separate events

median steeple
#

man the merchants are a sad story

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it was the golden order that did it

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it was explained in the questline they cut for kale

sharp zodiac
#

They deserved it

dusty hull
#

Genocide is wrong
But slander requires them to realise you were wrong

median steeple
#

the first mechant you find in limgrave

true kindle
#

I do think Shabriri slandered the nomads but he did it because he knew they would summon the Frenzied Flame

dusty hull
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The Order wouldn't do it because the merchants prove them right

ripe quest
dusty hull
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So Shabiri wouldn't be known for slander if it was just that

median steeple
dusty hull
#

Also the Nomad Ashes state that they had the flame and it followed them

frosty herald
#

also the fact that

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the golden order accuses them of heresy

dusty hull
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Kale and the others have it despite not being part of the Grand Caravan

frosty herald
#

and then they worship shabriri essentialy proving the order right

ripe quest
median steeple
dusty hull
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So the reputation of Shabiris slander must be from somewhere else

median steeple
dusty hull
#

My guess is against the Order as he went Flameo

median steeple
#

flameo hotmen

ripe quest
true kindle
#

Frenzied Flame's insanity lives in the eyeballs, and Shabriri has none in depictions of him post-slandering. I think that's meaningful. those who are affected can't see, but those who couldn't see to begin with can see the Flame

median steeple
ripe quest
#

At least I don't have shitty music in the pit

north sedge
#

my favorite thing about shabiri is that he was just a dude that everyone hated so much

frosty herald
#

shabriri had his eyes ripped out because he was the most reviled man in history

dusty hull
ripe quest
north sedge
#

like he just sucked so bad he became an avatar for a shitty god

median steeple
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vyke is also on the list of NPCs I love but we dont see much of

frosty herald
#

as much as i hate the frenzied flame i genuinely hope all of the cut quests return including kale's quest

median steeple
#

he was the main guy before us

true kindle
#

Hyetta is also blind, but can see the Flame, and consumes warp-touched eyeballs to fuel her True Sight

dusty hull
#

I took the Flame as the belief of nilihism preys on the hopeless

median steeple
#

hmm so full of "grapes"

frosty herald
misty raven
#

Don't be a simp guys or you'll go frenzied

true kindle
#

Shabriri is like Hyetta, but an orchestrator instead of a minister imo

frosty herald
#

shabriri 100% preys on the downtrotten

#

but its very surprising there arent frenzied omen

median steeple
#

vyke fucked a dragon before he fell to the flame bro was a real one

dusty hull
#

The Frenzied Flame targets groups in weakness (that Shabiri helped facilitate) to gain power and achieve it's insidious ends

true kindle
#

He doesn't just prey on the downtrodden, he schemes to bring the Frenzied Flame's plans about

dusty hull
#

Yup

median steeple
frosty herald
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i love that vyke didnt turn into the lord of frenzy because of his armor

#

only his brain and eye did get melted

true kindle
#

Dumbass forgot to take off his clothes and went mad instead of chad

dusty hull
#

The Three Fingers are interesting

frosty herald
#

imagine in the dlc we just get 4 fingers or a hand

dusty hull
#

They existed back in the old days didn't they

median steeple
#

I hope we see more of the formless mother

dusty hull
#

The Beastmen had 5 finger hand imagery

true kindle
#

That's why Hyetta has to be there to tell us to strip naked. Vyke lost his finger maiden -- he had nobody to tell him.

median steeple
#

Also more dragon shit because this games lightning is awesome

dusty hull
frosty herald
#

legit the only refference of the formless mother is bloodflame and mohgs spear

dusty hull
#

"wait crap I didn't specify the condition"

frosty herald
#

and dragon cult stuff is peak

#

i love glintstone breath

median steeple
misty raven
#

Dragonkin soldiers are cool. Wish the weapons were a bit better and they were more stuff of their's

dusty hull
# true kindle Yeah I agree I think

Also forgot to add with Turtle Pope
I think the reason the Order and Academy could be together as creation and fate are orderly, so Greater Will

frosty herald
#

hmm

#

bloodborne had the same thing happen as now

dusty hull
#

That's how I imagined they justified it

median steeple
#

The dragonkin soldiers lore is gross ish

frosty herald
#

2 dlc being merged into 1 big dlcs

dusty hull
#

I do question why the Giants were killed
My headcanon was that Marika made up the religious reason so she could genocide the Giants to prevent them rising against her

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Since they had the Flame that could burn the tree and start a new era

#

The tree was always destined to burn (pyromancy spells and a shield I believe)

#

Hell you could argue that the Erdtree was burned multiple times with all the ash around

north sedge
#

i mean that's pretty much stated

#

the giants were a threat to the order

dusty hull
#

Yeah but I wonder about the Fell God

#

Very interesting name

median steeple
#

Unless there are more giants I don't think we'll see it again

dusty hull
#

DS2 memory trip

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DS2 had my favourite giants

frosty herald
#

elden ring flashback dlc where you prevent the shattering and night of the black blades

median steeple
#

Oh god more time travel

#

Dark souls had so much of that

#

Including bonfires fucking with ime or something

dusty hull
#

DS2 was originally a time travel plot

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Where you'd befriend the Emerald Maiden as a child and an adult

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DS2s development was hell

frosty herald
#

i genuinely want to see ds2 remade into the orginal game

tropic harbor
#

What crusher blessings should I use in ds2? I’m running Shadowheart and Wyll as a vengeance Paladins and am using Boone as my companion.

foggy coral
#

Emperor just dropped this gift for me. Is bleed still on the menu even? Getting up to 11 stacks per hit feels like the kind of meme that could be real

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dusty hull
misty raven
#

Majula best hub theme

dusty hull
#

ER is just DS2 2 2

frosty herald
#

SHUT UP

#

RAHHHH

dusty hull
misty raven
#

Has twinblades and power stances. DS2 2

dusty hull
#

Helicopter man

frosty herald
#

twinblades my beloved

#

also new weapon classes in the dlc

misty raven
#

ER would probably be my favorite one to keep playing...but there's a lot of fluff after you go through everything once

dusty hull
misty raven
#

"What's in that cave? Oh nothing important to my build? K. Skip."

dusty hull
#

Too big

misty raven
#

Same

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Even though I do love it. But also past Margit I feel the balance is out of whack

dusty hull
#

Also Demon Souls but my OG PS3 doesn't work anymore

misty raven
#

So I kinda dread anything past him

dusty hull
#

The balance is so off because it's so free

#

If you even try doing things "out of intended order" then you can break the difficulty

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Which then snaps back at you in the last third

misty raven
#

I like Demon's Souls remake. Yes there are some visual designs I don't like but eh it's fine

dusty hull
ripe quest
#

FT with Scourge and Uncanny will probs provide the best performance if you are looking for bleed.

dusty hull
#

Hold up
We don't discuss Darktide here

#

How could you

misty raven
dusty hull
#

It's Zealot for Zealotry of the Golden Order and Gwyn

north sedge
#

this is the Dark(tide) Souls server now

dusty hull
#

Genius

#

I wouldn't mind a Dark Souls Vermintide crossover

misty raven
#

Some holy gacha imagery to shake it up

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ripe quest
foggy coral
ripe quest
#

Yeah I'd just steal Flesh Tearer off of it.

#

Emp gifts are rarely ever good.

frosty herald
pseudo anvil
#

which combat knife do you guys think is better?

fleet zealot
ripe quest
#

The Mk III will be better at the whole single target thing, the Mk VI has some more interesting combos along with kinda-ish better small elite coverage due to the sweeps.

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The Mk VI drops a bit of the damage on the stabs, it'll need more stuff up to hit a BP.

fleet zealot
#

this image goes hard

GGczszfaEAAtUfc.png
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indomitable will to live

median steeple
#

mecha ferret

#

keep on living buddy

royal vortex
#

just lost a game on vet because a mutie brought me directly into a rager's swing animations on a downed player

coarse birch
#

it was very sad

median steeple
#

the AI planing is getting crazy

tropic harbor
#

we should really get some goodies for killing demon hosts

median steeple
#

yes please

#

mats or something

sterile stone
ripe quest
#

imo only normal bosses should have a reward tied to them. DH's by default should just be obstacles by design. However I do think there being a side-objective where you kill x DH's would be a good compromise.

median steeple
#

actually yeah I like that idea

#

I do mainly want normal bosses to drop something

quasi marsh
#

you do that

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and everyone trigger dh on purpose

#

"i wanted plasteel"

frosty herald
#

you are completely correct

quasi marsh
#

now i have the real solution

tropic harbor
quasi marsh
#

if you kill DH

#

the person who trigger DH donates 100 plasteel to the other 3 players

#

jk

tropic harbor
#

Then I’ll have something to bitch about other than knife users

#

*everyone reading the above message is one of the few food knife users

quasi marsh
#

ppl already moan about grimoires which are mostly harmless

#

imagine the intentional DH triggers

frosty herald
#

grims are an issue on damnation tho

#

having your health cut in half is something you dont want to happen

tropic harbor
#

I’ve not had much trouble with grims as of late, but it might be that I’ve just stopped caring if we pick them up or not on damnation

median steeple
#

I really wish grims and scripts would give something

quasi marsh
#

its not that extreme

#

its like 25% corruption with all of them

frosty herald
#

so its an unestablished rule people dont pick up grims on damnation+

tropic harbor
#

But still it’s rude to pick them up on damnation without asking imo

quasi marsh
#

i dont bother picking them up but idc if people pick them up either

#

then again i barely play non-mael so i rarely encounter grims either

ripe quest
#

I do hope they return to the idea of the side objectives being mini-holdouts like they talked about prior to launch. I recall someone bringing up something where you need to get a relic in to bless the grim and holdout before you can pick it up.

#

Would be a cool addition to missions.

quasi marsh
#

ya

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they should be more interesting at least

#

but yeah

#

idc if ppl pick them up

#

maybe they're doing weeklies

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and they specifically picked a grim mission to pick them up

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and then some qp'er joins and rages at them for it

ripe quest
#

Could even recycle shit and just slap a bunch of corruptors onto a grim and be required to blow it up

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I subscribe to the "I have all the HP I need until I don't" so I really dgaf about grims. If they drop me into the "I'm a walking pane of glass vs. a poxburster" then I'll be a bit ~ but I can avoid that with curio choices.

faint vapor
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Grim users should be shot. Touching heretical artifacts smh

pseudo anvil
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Which knife do you guys like most?

vocal pulsar
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neither

light holly
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I THINK the original one is better but I haven't build a good one yet

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I'm speaking strictly because the heavies are all "assassin"

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Where the mk6 has the vertical sweep and then overhead

lusty turtle
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Punch does jump to the overhead tho

light holly
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Oh no yeah

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I just feel like the other one is just better because you can force out overheads without much added effort

coarse birch
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ive only used the mk3

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i like the mk3 though

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the mk6 i need to try but its a little odd to me because what i would bring knife for is what mk3 is best at

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which is just zipping to some prio target with decent boss damage as a bonus

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that being said its not the best weapon

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it can get the job done but its a consierable amount more work than a lot of better weapons

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like even comapred to Thammer which is hard to use has better reward

pseudo anvil
coarse birch
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yeah its just a warning

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it might feel bad esp at first/a lot more effort than stuff like hsword

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to get potientially similar results

pseudo anvil
coarse birch
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uh im not really sure which i would call harder

light holly
coarse birch
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but i would call hammer better

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as a weapon

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yeah hsword is broken lol

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but even like dclaw

light holly
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This is the problem we have with weapon balance... strong weapons standing out make it harder to judge baseline

coarse birch
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like im just making sure hes aware there are both better and easier weapons

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so it might feel bad at first

pseudo anvil
light holly
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I mean, Declaw is worse against crushers where knife couuuld do better

coarse birch
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it is a fun weapon

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for me at least

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never used it on vet though

light holly
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Also, the knifes mobility imo does make it stand apart from the thammer

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Ima try to fit it into an infil build

pseudo anvil
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What ranged weapons do you guys like to pair with a melee that isnt exceptional vs hordes?

light holly
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For zealot, Flamer

coarse birch
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well flamer is an easy pick

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kant shotgun is also good

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lawbringer can do well with manstopper or scattershot although ive used that set up less

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can also bring immo nades

pseudo anvil
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My one decent ranged is a revolver unfortunately

coarse birch
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although using them just for a horde feels bit wasteful

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revo is very good but i probs wouldnt bring it with mk3 knife

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maybe mk6

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havent used that one as much

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at all actually

light holly
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Its worth a look

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I will say shotgun does have goofy interactions with throwing knife so

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(Not my vid but you get the point)

pseudo anvil
coarse birch
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one thing to mention for mk3 knife is that the push attack is very good

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also