zealot-class

[hushed bear]

takes a lot of hits to down things

although my gear is just leveling gear. its trash atm

[royal vortex]

i simply light the crusher twice with flesh tearer lacerate and move on to fight other stuff while he bleeds 🙂

[coarse birch]

Your a bad person

[royal vortex]

bleed knife is FANTASTIC if u just lie about what it does

make shit up

[hushed bear]

🤔 but those 2 bleed blessings proc on different body parts

[royal vortex]

post clips that do not support your claims

[coarse birch]

He is memeing

[hushed bear]

oh are u trolling

xD

terri orlando jeez. does every zealot have a full name that sounds like a hollywood actor

[coarse birch]

Josho is like the top 0.5% of players if he says some heinous shit hes probably memeing

[royal vortex]

oh man this isnt my real name

[hushed bear]

i just played with a zealot named jackie daytona yesterdaay

[royal vortex]

theres a vile sorcerer named stan

he misspells names very often and forces you to take them

[coarse birch]

Or hes being dumb

Either or

[royal vortex]

what da hell

my zealot is named dar

[coarse birch]

You literally called yourself stupid 10 minutes ago

[royal vortex]

someone made a joke and called him "mr ktide" and i had never thought of that

and i felt kinda dumb

[royal vortex]

how dare you

[coarse birch]

My bad

[ripe quest]

Even better, they don't recommend Haymaker or Precog which allows for even bigger hits, and the nuts who run BP crit CDR on knife don't even take Riposte for a literal 95% crit chance.

[hushed bear]

whats bp

im a noob

[ripe quest]

Blazing Piety

[hushed bear]

thanks 🙂

[ripe quest]

Keystone

[hushed bear]

all of the stealth builds ive looked at so far use inex judgement

[nimble fiber]

bread

[obtuse stirrup]

Ordinary human bartender Jackie Daytona?

[hushed bear]

omg i didnt even realize what that was from! xD

i love that show hahaha

[slate notch]

Is it better to go with toughness curios or hp? I always go with HP but I don't know if it'd be better to go toughness instead, thoughts?

[north sedge]

3 toughness or 2 toughness 1 hp, generally

[slate notch]

Got it. Will try now. Ty!

[hushed bear]

how's this looking for stealth?

im seeing some ppl putting sprint efficiency instead of the 2 toughness

(tanner) 😛

[blissful tendon]

I can't remember ever running out of stamina to need 3 stamina regens

though I guess that's a symptom of knife usage

[hushed bear]

dunno, im new to zealot and am just trying to build something off of collective recommendations

trying to weed out bad advice

[royal vortex]

wouldnt recommend block efficiency

also don't particularly find combat ability regen worth it on curios

only matters if you have a REALLY long ult cooldown in my experience

[hushed bear]

even for stealth?

is the cooldown for that already super low or something

[royal vortex]

stealth is on the lower end of things at 30s base

[blissful tendon]

tanner sounds like a name I've heard before

[royal vortex]

unless you're taking perfectionist

[blissful tendon]

is he the tryhard guy who insults people for disagreeing with him

[royal vortex]

one of them yes

[hushed bear]

tanner lindberg. he seems like a high skilled and very outspoken/controversial player haha

[blissful tendon]

no that's just a normal tryhard

[royal vortex]

gives terrible advice too

i've never made it more than 2 minutes in his videos before he says something incredibly dumb

[hushed knoll]

Whoops I didn't mean to blobsweat

I meant

[hushed bear]

im listening to all of his videos, taking it all into consideration, and trying to make my own decisions + hear from this discord since everyone in here is super helpful haha

[nimble fiber]

what

[royal vortex]

i don't think he knows nearly enough about the mechanics of the game or the way it functions to give advice with the attitude he does

[hushed bear]

he definitely likes to be edgy

[plucky gate]

I like combat ability regen in general but not for stealth.
You're wasting it a lot unless you're spamming it on cooldown.
I prefer ability regen on things you either spam or things with charges so you dont waste it

[hushed bear]

hahahaha

[royal vortex]

anyways my generic curio setup is gunner resist + toughness and then hp/ordos depending on what im feeling

[blissful tendon]

yeah the attitude thing is pretty off-putting

[royal vortex]

i'll change perks depending on what im doing from there

[blissful tendon]

always run +dockets

[royal vortex]

i only really take stamina regen on something like deadshot vet where you really want stamina

[blissful tendon]

brokie behavior

[royal vortex]

i don't find it super helpful on zealot

especially because your base regen is higher than other classes at 1.5 bars per second compared to the baseline 1

[hushed bear]

lmao the dockets

i feel like plasteel is my bottleneck

[royal vortex]

dockets are legitimately the biggest endgame bottleneck

once you're not really hunting for blessings

[hushed bear]

ahhh ok

ye atm im trying to make my weapons and plasteel is annoying af haha

[hushed knoll]

Ah hello Ms. Terri Orlando

[royal vortex]

hi stan

[hushed knoll]

I read your economics textbook

Very informative

[hushed bear]

toe squad

[sharp zodiac]

Graaah

[hushed bear]

hello toe

[hushed knoll]

I am not part of the toe squad

[hushed bear]

pfffffffff

fine 😦

[sharp zodiac]

BOOO

[hushed bear]

ill just go die then

[royal vortex]

😔

how could u stan

[hushed knoll]

Who named me stab

[sharp zodiac]

JOIN THE FEET 🍅 🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅

[hushed knoll]

No

[hushed bear]

it wouldve been perfect u know. my zealot name is stabby

[hushed knoll]

I don't like feet

[hushed bear]

youre like a combo of my discord and ign

[hushed knoll]

I wear socks

[wraith helm]

warframe

[sharp zodiac]

BOOOOOO 🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅

[nimble fiber]

skele I think

[hushed bear]

oh wait it says stan not stab

oops

[hushed knoll]

Don't throw tights at me

Tomatoes

[sharp zodiac]

Tights

Alright time to sell this shit

[hushed bear]

one could argue that spiders have more feet than toes

[royal vortex]

skele did

[hushed knoll]

😠

[hushed bear]

unless the end of a spider's leg is just a toe and no foot

🤷

[royal vortex]

do not be mad stan

be happy

[nimble fiber]

mad stan
in cinema's near u

[hushed bear]

he just cant handle the toe feet logic

does anyone in here have a proper zealot stealth build they could link so i cant stop trusting these youtube ones or can we not link builds in here

ive already changed so much about the build i was following

[nimble fiber]

I wanna befriend a fox at some point

[blissful tendon]

start small

try making friends with a mirror

[zinc talon]

#zealot-class message wait nope I left one trick out

rapidly spam clicking primary on the flamer can and will puff out more 1 stack jets than the game can remove fuel from your tank

so you get extra stacks, in essence

per fuel spent

you can spam primary and kill with extra stacks faster on higher health enemies than holding the cone on them

and get fuel reward points from conoco

[nimble fiber]

conoco?

[zinc talon]

philips

the oil company

you should hear how funny my parents think I am

also, yall are all usin the flamer wrong because you're not washing the cone back and forth

every time the cone crosses a target, they get direct damage and a stack

you can waft the cone back and forth two maybe three times and get enough on the crowd to kill em before they close

cuz wafting middle to middle slow speed will actually lay 3ish stacks per cone contact

cuz it takes time for the cone to move across em, hence the second/third tick

you're using the flamer correctly when you're maybe a little bored, lazily washing the stream across terrain that's conducive to hitting them while keeping kinda in cover

cuz that's another huge thing

the puff of the flamer does not impact terrain until like 51% hits?

75

either way what this means

is you can puff the primary fire around a corner

cuz the volume of the puff is larger than what touched terrain, so the thing slides on by and clips the cover

that means stacks, stagger, and crucially suppression

cuz you only have to get it near em to suppress

so you braise the guy peeking out

and shut up the entire ranged squad fully hidden behind him

not only do they not come out to greet you, they're shaking in their boots when you close to control that corner line of sight

[spare dome]

Depends on the ult tbh

It's pretty big on VoC

[nimble fiber]

would u say sg needs it?

[spare dome]

Because you care more about cutting down the downtime between 15s overheal sections more than you do about the actual ult activation

okay that was odd, discord suddenly decided to update all the chat later

i would place tanner's batting average on advice at about 60%, but he never scores a base because his conduct is unbecoming

[north sedge]

the problem with that is also people won't know what's actually right or not when you're that wrong all the time

[spare dome]

meh

at this point i defer failure to know to the people

when i hear someone say something my first move is testing it out myself

if you're just gonna accept the shit people say at face value then that's your prerogative

at least this is just a video game and not people gambling their entire futures away on fucking DogeCoin or some shit

the thing to is most of his advice is correct* but isnt always applicable

[north sedge]

he sucks shit

[spare dome]

do you indeed do more bonus damage on average with weakspot damage than elite damage? yes

is that damage actually relevant?

big no

[spare dome]

so if you live on the internet or in spreadsheets he's your guy

[north sedge]

no he's not

[spare dome]

i'll stick to funnybois like Reginald and Cashcrop and SwiggySwoogybooty in the meantime

[nimble fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/kanye-kanye-west-kanyevibe-gif-23816851

[spare dome]

o sweet we took back Angel's Venture I see

oh no

and now everyone gets free landmine strategems

im sure this wont end poorly

[north sedge]

new planets to play on too

[split ibex]

I tried to get him to explain why he thinks uncanny strike is not a good blessing and he straight up wouldn't

"It's just generally not good"

[north sedge]

he's just a shitter

[split ibex]

I think he makes a few good points sometimes, but he's just totally unwilling to admit he is ever wrong.

[north sedge]

a broken youtuber is right twice a day and such

[split ibex]

The justifications he gives in the weak spot damage video are lame and you can tell he knows that

[solar gorge]

borken colck

tweece

[split ibex]

But he absolutely will not admit it

[solar gorge]

I mean if you think uncanny is not good, there's nothing left to say

[north sedge]

he wants attention, good or bad

[zinc talon]

oh fml

they datamined the new gamepack

[minor sage]

it's hard to explain why it's not good cuz it's actually overtuned as fuck

if it was balanced numberwise, you can probably find some bullshit excuse or reason

but there's no way to find the bullshit when it's 24 per stack, with 5 stacks

it's like saying old slaughterer at 75% power is shit- you simply cant because it's too good lol

I could see FS nerfing it to 7/8/9/10 with 5 stacks though. I'd still use it but i think those numbers would be far more reasonable

[fading vale]

tfw people used to argue for headtaker on hammer when slaughterer was 75%

[fleet zealot]

yep

headtaker more consistent (not my position)

[polar nexus]

That was a way to not scrap a hammer with HT locked.

Thrust is already hard enough to get

Then you needed slaughterer and unyielding

And good modifiers

[fading vale]

sure but people legitimately argued against slaughterer

saying it was too hard to use

[frosty herald]

Bruh

[fading vale]

and then every single damn time "well headtaker is way better for boss damage I have a boss hammer"

WHAT WORLD DO YOU LIVE IN

STOP WITH THAT ARGUMENT ALREADY

but yeah Idk what kind of idiot would argue against uncanny

[fleet zealot]

smh don't yo know nothing else spawns whena monstro is fighting

[vocal pulsar]

a properly built thammer will delete/nearly delete bosses, without slaughterer up. slaughterer is just icing on the cake. i'd personally take slaughterer every time, just to shore up the one weakness of thammer (hordeclear)

[fading vale]

let's assume it takes 3 hits to kill and there are no other enemies, wow headtaker is giving you a whopping 5% damage increase

I mean it doesn't really matter that much now

cause slaughterer is 40%

but still

[polar nexus]

remember it was a time when people where running around with trauma skullcrusher thammer

[fading vale]

I just hate when people uses bosses to try to justify the reason for headtaker

absolute nonsense

[north sedge]

I have a boss killer hammer, that's why i run thunderstrike shock and awe

[fading vale]

with crit damage

[vocal pulsar]

and sprint efficiency

[polar nexus]

headtaker is allright too against horde with something like momentum or martyr

[vocal pulsar]

so i can sprint to the boss

[fading vale]

yeah hammer horde performance is fairly solid now

it's just not absolutely broken like some other weapons

[vocal pulsar]

you get more mileage out of headtaker on something like chaxe

for boss dmg

[fleet zealot]

chaxe you just go slaught+ht unless it's the new one

[lusty turtle]

Psure thats an edit

[fleet zealot]

[zinc talon]

science may never know

[tropic harbor]

You guys are forgetting the real best blessing

[zinc talon]

see yall this time next month

[tropic harbor]

Momentum

[zinc talon]

when I get the next class of frehmen

[dense field]

Momentum is ok sometimes

[tropic harbor]

That’s true, it can be kinda fun too

But we can’t let fun get in the way of the meta

[dense field]

[north sedge]

He does this all the time

[lusty turtle]

He is pretty cringe thats true

[steel hearth]

can anyone help me with just a flesh wound

[zinc talon]

you can chuckle or you can sit there

the fun is in the repetition

everyone's in on it but the new guy

[lusty turtle]

Surely

[zinc talon]

well I hope my 2 handed heavy chainaxe isn't gonna incur your wrath

that's a fun one cuz it's zealots

so they're all stupid

[tropic harbor]

I’ve heard dataminers found a new flavor of corpse starch. Is it true? Are we finally getting potato flavored corpse starch?

[fleet zealot]

corpse starch already tastes like potato cause potato tastes like starch

[zinc talon]

or the 2 handed combat axe

or the ogryn-issue poop shovel

[median steeple]

holy shit shovel knight

[zinc talon]

...it is starch, sir and/or madam

C-H chains all the way downs

[fading vale]

try lfg channel

[wooden river]

I wish Vet had also gotten that headwrap hat

I need it for my Scav/Waster cosplay

[sterile basalt]

What’s the most important perk for heavy sword

+flak dmg?

[zinc talon]

maniacs is nice

but I haven't used one in a bit

[merry palm]

[shy river]

sah took his rashuns away, nothin but skin n bones now

[ripe quest]

14 seconds until Exhillious obliteration.

[visual stream]

Legend has it this is what happens when eat mutie

[zinc talon]

SYENZ SEZ DIS IS A PRA-PRUH-EXPEKTID MODEL UV AN OGRI MISSIN JUS WUN SET UV RASHINS

[polar nexus]

For me it's always flak first.

[fading vale]

yep

[frosty herald]

the lion casually being able to walk into a forest and come out at the other side of the galaxy

[zinc talon]

Ngl the lions a bit of a subintelligent autistic asshole

Yeah dude, duty

[frosty herald]

the lion is actualy the most feared primarch

[polar nexus]

Last lore is the lion being the lion: I don't give a fuck about the administration

[zinc talon]

Because he's a subintelligent autistic asshole

And you just font know if he's gonna joker pencil you

At any moment

[polar nexus]

He's like a survivalist mofo

[zinc talon]

Cuz he does shit like that, a lot

[frosty herald]

horus did not want to in any situation whatsoever fight the full might of the dark angels

[zinc talon]

Well, as luck would have it...

Or are we still cooling off that hot potato before we talk about it

[frosty herald]

everytime the lion was around his brothers they never felt at ease

[zinc talon]

Cuz between a lack of coherent plot prolly intentionally

[polar nexus]

The dark Angels were the one tasked with the real spec ops shit

[frosty herald]

yes im glazing the lion cause hes cool

[zinc talon]

And the ridiculously edgy naming conventions

Its hard to delve deep on them

[polar nexus]

Like weapon of big mass destruction

[zinc talon]

I will say the early HH dark angels novels were fantastic

I'm passive aggressively getting drawn towards ferrus of all people

[prisma sigil]

Biblical names are edgy?

[zinc talon]

cuz he was around for so little time they didn't have any way to frame him other than GudFren

no, like Cypher as their head spymaster, cmon

yes you decript encoded messages thank you

your name is your job

[prisma sigil]

That's one guy and he's not even in the Legion anymore

smh

[zinc talon]

oh god

there he is

[prisma sigil]

I love the angel names

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

[frosty herald]

arguably the scariest 40k chapters to fight are the dark angels black templars deathwatch and death company

[zinc talon]

as so-bad-its-good as it is, I actually got to where the night lords were the ones that'd tingle my spine

[mossy mural]

Are we only considering Loyalist factions? Because Nightlords whole thing is being fucking scary

[zinc talon]

and as silly as it is having a seven hundred pound eight foot tall guy in white and red plasteel be the invisible killers

[frosty herald]

loyalists

[prisma sigil]

and you're calling my legion edgy 😤

[still quartz]

My degen mind read this as "HentaiHaven dark angel novels" and was wondering wtf this was even about

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/jennifer-lawrence-pretty-okay-ok-sure-gif-16961855

[still quartz]

[frosty herald]

night lords are fucked in every capacity

and theyre brutally effecient and specialized in terror

[zinc talon]

my brain always reads this

every time

as Massage

and I hesitate, every time, because no I do not

and then I remember

and I age a little more quickly

[prisma sigil]

My favorite books are Purging of Kadillus, Angels of Darkness, Ravenwing, Master of Sanctity, and The Unforgiven

[still quartz]

I do not want a massage from you

[prisma sigil]

They carry over into each other

[zinc talon]

I do not want to give one

[still quartz]

Your dwarven hands are not smooth and silky

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/for-once-we-agree-finally-on-the-same-page-tom-holloway-michael-park-gif-14576534

[still quartz]

They are cracked from hard work in the mountains

[frosty herald]

is there any capacity where weve read about the combat abilities of the watchers?

[mossy mural]

"Ah madame, you have stolen an apple from that kind gentleman's apple stand. Understandably we must flay you then impale you on a light pole as a message. I'm sure you understand."

• Random Night Lord Marine

[zinc talon]

oh yeah those guys too

[prisma sigil]

Not explicitly but Daemons are scared of them

[zinc talon]

ikr, it's something a preteen boy could lose interest in

what got me is the conviction of the writers having to make it spoopy

there they succeeded

then you'd SEE one and belike

[sterile basalt]

I’m very close to dreg rager 1 hit kill though, considering +elite instead

[frosty herald]

the watchers are never truly explained beyond being the serfs of the dark angels

[zinc talon]

oh yeah this is five nights at freddys with lightning claws

[frosty herald]

its like the jokaero situation

[prisma sigil]

I thought it was kinda cool how noise marines will take a person, replace their mouth with a speaker, stick them on a spear and then poke at them to make them emit dubstep screams in battle

[frosty herald]

they help the imperium and they dont bother them

noise marine titan would sell like hotcakes

[prisma sigil]

They're more than serfs though

[zinc talon]

speaking of

[prisma sigil]

They're enemies of chaos, very ancient, and very powerful

[frosty herald]

thats true

but the dark angels just keep them around as sword stands lmao

[prisma sigil]

In fact they have influenced the actions of the Dark Angels heavily

[prisma sigil]

That's what all the non-inner circle people think 😏

[prisma sigil]

But the higher up the chain you go the more they realize the Watchers are way more than they seem

[frosty herald]

makes you wonder what is under the robes of the watchers if chaos is that afraid of them

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/pizza-cryptocurrency-crypto-hive-blockchain-gif-25138155

the noise marine is

https://tenor.com/view/mad-max-fury-road-zoom-background-tom-hardy-virtual-background-gif-16836792

[prisma sigil]

"There was something at the far end of the cell corridor. The Changeling could not so much see it as sense the absence of the aether around it. To the daemon’s warp-sight, the thing was really an un-thing, a black void without tangible thoughts or emotions to define it.

It did not move. It did not have to. The Changeling found itself taking a step back, the demon’s flesh quivering. Fear was something the Changeling could not feel, only feed upon, but the sight of the un-thing watching him from the shadows caused the daemon an indefinable, icy discomfort."

[frosty herald]

watcher fighting a chaos marine

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-gif-18899941

[zinc talon]

and this is a watcher?

[prisma sigil]

yes

I straight pogged

[zinc talon]

cuz it sounds like a blank or a....

culexixs.

[prisma sigil]

When I saw Daemons being scared of them

They seem to be more

[zinc talon]

yeah that perks the nipples a bit huh lol

[prisma sigil]

Like something that exist outside of the limits of time

[zinc talon]

the accounts of the first demon

in the webway

when empra shows up

something along the lines of 'for the first dawn since the beginning of time, the demon saw the sun shine'

[frosty herald]

frightening a changeling is certainly something

[prisma sigil]

Also, APPARENTLY, but I haven't read the book this is from so I can't verify

[zinc talon]

so the changelings are the watchers? or they're part ofa larger cabal like the

uh, like the cabal?

[frosty herald]

no

[prisma sigil]

But apparently when the Emperor arrived on caliban he went out of his way to seek out the Watchers to see what they thought of his plan to fight chaos

[prisma sigil]

no no no

[frosty herald]

changelings are daemons of tzeentch

[prisma sigil]

The changeling was terrified of the watcher

[zinc talon]

I'll look it up, yall keep goin

I'm sponging

[prisma sigil]

Dark Angels are my favorite (obv)

[frosty herald]

bruh

[prisma sigil]

I really like their lore and I like that they're not blatantly good guys or blatantly bad guys

Ironically if it weren't for the hunt of the fallen they really would be pretty good guys though

[frosty herald]

i want a very one off mention in a dark angels book that shows what a watcher could do if it was threatened

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-confusion-shocked-shock-hmm-gif-16655331

[prisma sigil]

It does mention that people who have fucked with them disappear and are never seen again

[frosty herald]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-manhattan-gif-18899941

[zinc talon]

they run a simply beautiful retirement community in mesa

or, that

[prisma sigil]

'the Changling found his way barred: not by the embattled heroes, but by a diminutive figure that was hidden entirely by white robes and carried a graven crozius in both arms. The Daemon recoiled in horror, for the creature before it was anathema to its kind. The creature focussed its baleful glare, and the Changeling turned and fled.'

[polar nexus]

that's recentish lore

[prisma sigil]

Wrath of Magnus, page 29

[frosty herald]

bruh

[polar nexus]

at first cypher was edgy because good/bad angel

[prisma sigil]

Oh yeah the Dark Angels rabbit hole is incredible

[polar nexus]

lucifer

[zinc talon]

it is, and I'm cherry picking bad examples cuz I don't have much familiarity and DA are a tough faction to really dig into

[frosty herald]

the watcher just had to look directly at the changeling to make it flee out of fear

[prisma sigil]

Cypher was honestly immensely improved as a character

[zinc talon]

well good

[prisma sigil]

He used to just be a 'teleports behind you' guy

[zinc talon]

how about luther? he had some real continuity after the initial DA arc didn't he

[prisma sigil]

But in the Gav Thorpe books he's more like the noble knight with a plan he can't share

Unfortunately I haven't read the Lion book yet, I have it but I'm working through my current books before I start it

[prisma sigil]

I also haven't read the HH books on them yet because the hardback cover of the lion book costs 200 fucking dollars

I will get it though

[frosty herald]

imagine a watcher just casually leaves a door open and vulkan was in the rock the entire time

[prisma sigil]

We have our own Jawas and they are gigachads

[zinc talon]

the sheer audacity these guys think they can inflate their asks to on stuff they know people want so yeah that's why we inflate the price idiot

[prisma sigil]

Nah its not even that

[zinc talon]

?

[prisma sigil]

The hardback was limited edition, they never released a paperback or kept the hardback in print

So you can only buy it used now

[winged whale]

Anyone have any Eviscerator Zealot gameplay videos they'd recommend? I tried finding some last night but almost all of them were with the old skill tree system.

[prisma sigil]

Want to read it? Buy it used, or you have to buy an ebook or audiobook of it

Pisses me off cus ebooks ruin your eyes and I couldn't focus on an audiobook to save my life

I like having the physical book

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-you-say-laughing-stressed-gif-11593291

[split ibex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ibw__CGenyU

ChocoB did a vid

[zinc talon]

flak, carapace

[prisma sigil]

Games Workshop doesn't fund their fuckin' publisher for shit

[ripe quest]

ChocoB and Telopots have videos w/ them, but take the builds they use with a grain of salt.

[zinc talon]

rampage, MOMENTUM

[prisma sigil]

so they don't keep paperbacks of all their books in print despite it not being that hard

[zinc talon]

that fuckin baffles me

demand would go up cuz folks cfould finally get a copy

[prisma sigil]

You can get the entire Harry Potter hardcover set in a box for 160$ but some individual 40k books will cost you more than 100$ for a PAPERBACK because they don't keep the shit in print and you have to buy used off ebay or amazon

[zinc talon]

and it's not like they're pulling a mcrib and creating artifiical scarcity to drum up the price either

[prisma sigil]

If they kept 10-20$ paperbacks in print like reasonable fucking publishers I'd own every 40k book ever made

[winged whale]

I'll take a look. I'm just hoping for straight gameplay though - and more normal gameplay ideally, not the ultra high difficulty stuff. Somebody better than me, but still in the realm of 'normal', y'know?

[prisma sigil]

I'd outright buy every fuckin one

[zinc talon]

I think they do it because they want the focus on the end times over terra

[prisma sigil]

I think they're just cheap

[zinc talon]

and if people could read other things they might not buy empra's arm surgery

[prisma sigil]

and don't want to keep old books in print if they're not sure people will buy them all

[ripe quest]

Depends on what you mean by normal difficulty, most videos showing half-decent gameplay of the weapon will be in an Auric Damnation mission.

[visual stream]

Remembered WHF end times exists, day ruined

[prisma sigil]

Just wait

[ripe quest]

They just do raw gameplay most of them time.

[winged whale]

Yup, something beneath Auric Damnation, ideally.

[ripe quest]

That's prob not gonna be easy to find.

[prisma sigil]

WHF end times is the reason I'm a 40k fan now 💀

I got into 40k because Fantasy was dead so I started looking into it

[winged whale]

I remember playing Vermintide, and having a friend explain the WHF end times thing in vague detail.

I found it very stupid and lame.

[zinc talon]

I meant more they're finally writing the siege of terra novels

or have written

[prisma sigil]

It wasn't JUST that they ended the world and made a much lamer setting either

[zinc talon]

preach

[prisma sigil]

In the process of the end times they wrote so many characters just terribly

and made up lore that was just awful

The biggest example I can think of is Malekith's 'he was always the chosen one after all!'

[zinc talon]

I stopped reading about archaeon because of that

[prisma sigil]

I'm ngl I have always hated Archaon and Abaddon from day 1

[winged whale]

I recently read... what's that book called... Execution Hour, that's it. Focusing on naval stuff. I thought it was quite a good book. The follow-up was both shorter and worse IMO.

[prisma sigil]

They both feel like edgy middle schooler OC characters that'd be poorly drawn inside a composite notebook

[zinc talon]

I liked the appeal of archaeon from the beginning

some asshole who just can't be killed

but when it goes off the rails

[prisma sigil]

Abaddon truly accomplishes something insane

[zinc talon]

suddenly sigma has to have a flying gryphon to match his on fire warhorse and dammit guys not every story needs to be a tabletop

[prisma sigil]

By making even Archaon seem like a better character

[visual stream]

mfw some backwater mage rats that shoot self-harm lightning bolts win a moon tug-of-war with the frogs that literally move mountains with their minds as a normal feat

[zinc talon]

but, they want to sell you the griphon and horse model with complete tabletop rules

[prisma sigil]

When the writers have to retcon like 30 years of lore to make Abaddon suddenly not having just lost 12 times, he was actually playing 3d chess the whole time!!!

[zinc talon]

give me back malal

the chaos for chaos' sake anti-chaos faction

[visual stream]

Lizardmen would have singlehandedly bodied the rat menace, let's be honest

[prisma sigil]

Okay honestly the Skaven crashing a moon onto Lustria is something I was actually all for

That's just hilarious and peak Skaven

[visual stream]

It's hilarious

Shouldn't have worked at all

But it is funny at least

[prisma sigil]

Everything about the Skaven is great because they are their own worst enemy

[zinc talon]

seems more outta the ork playbook to me

[prisma sigil]

If they actually 'won' then they'd suck

[zinc talon]

but maybe that's becvause they're called attack moons

[frosty herald]

the end times were a comedy

[visual stream]

And then... they won

[frosty herald]

and orks shouldve won

[prisma sigil]

honestly

instead of abaddon or archaon

I wish Be'lakor got more attention

My guy literally created the Skaven

He should be the actual enemy #1

Also he looks cool as fuck

[visual stream]

The end times was written by one of the writers' edgy teenage children and then accidentally published and written off as intentional

[polar nexus]

telopots builds are better than chocob's

[visual stream]

That's my cope

[prisma sigil]

Gets killed by some fucking Brettonian random

[frosty herald]

grimgor ironhide wouldve killed archeon in single combat

[zinc talon]

I half read this bigly yuge long take that actually

[prisma sigil]

Just saying, Archaon doesn't have a cool death metal band named after him for a reason

[zinc talon]

the skaven were the truest ally to humanity

and without humanity they skaven could never last and vice versa

[elfin steppe]

23 minutes, 1500 kills

[zinc talon]

they were all working synergistically even though they were killing each other at every opportunity

[frosty herald]

grimgor became bored of the skaven because he only fought rat ogres

[prisma sigil]

Show the fuckin scoreboard don't cocktease me like that

[elfin steppe]

Easiest hi int shock troop of my life

[zinc talon]

cuz he never had the BALLS to fight an ogre rat

[prisma sigil]

How do you even get 1500 kills in 23 minutes were your teammates fucking sleeping?

[polar nexus]

man that was just....

[prisma sigil]

OH

You mean teamwide kills

lmfao

[polar nexus]

they just shat on 30 years of lore

[zinc talon]

heh I as goin there too

'that's just gotta be....desensitizing..'

[winged whale]

Yesterday someone told me that the MK II heavy evis is more for horde clearing than the new uhh.. MK XV or whatever it's called. Is that actually true though? A friend of mine was showing off the light attacks that thing uses, and god damn it seemed fast and easy.

[polar nexus]

and now, they're retropedaling

[frosty herald]

isnt age of sigmar a reincarnation of the old world

[prisma sigil]

Are we flexing scoreboards? This was my game before I started talking about lore in here for some reason

[ripe quest]

While true, Telopots still falls under the category of "this is fun so therefore I use it" in terms of build composition from what I've seen. Using the build won't guarantee smooth performance.

[prisma sigil]

I love throwing myself into hordes of bullshit and axing my way out

[ripe quest]

Yes, the Mk II is better at crowds than the Mk XV.

[prisma sigil]

This game really lets you channel your doom rampage energy

[ripe quest]

It's been benchmarked, and it's self explanatory when looking at the damage profiles.

[prisma sigil]

What you using btw?

I notice you fucked up the specials/elites big time

[polar nexus]

a strap on

[elfin steppe]

Let me re-login the game.

[prisma sigil]

You don't remember what weapon you were using my good man?

[winged whale]

How does that work then, it hits more of the crowd than the MK XV? Or it hits the same amount, but kills them where as the XV leaves them alive? I'm new enough that I'm not even sure how one accesses damage profiles or stats.

[elfin steppe]

It's better just to show you.

[polar nexus]

he always had a hardon for taxes, shred and crit dr

[winged whale]

Well, stats beyond vague "75 percent" and all that.

[polar nexus]

15 has a dmg cap of 4

2 hasn't

[elfin steppe]

The problem is Mk XV light attack is currently bugged.

[polar nexus]

are we sure it's a bug?

[elfin steppe]

The damage is OK, but you really want crit build to make it work.

[ripe quest]

Here's a BP calc. To run it simply, Mk II uses H1 L2 bc for crowds. H1 isn't target capped, if you can hit it it'll do damage. The lights on both Evis' (and the entirety of the XV's crowd damage by proxy) is target capped, so only 4 targets take damage. Additionally if you bc with the Mk II you'll hit faster than the XV.

The bug w/ the XV is just stagger related.

[elfin steppe]

At least it has been acknowledged in the forum.

[ripe quest]

It'll stagger them but it won't medium or heavy stagger.

[winged whale]

Ahh.

[prisma sigil]

Atrox MK IV Taxe with Shred, Headtaker, and crit dmg goes hard as fuck

[ripe quest]

https://dt.wartide.net/calc/

[polar nexus]

why the 4 and not the 2? oO

[prisma sigil]

better

[polar nexus]

AND WHY CRIT DMG

[prisma sigil]

Because Shred

You are always critting

Always resetting the cd on chastise

always staying at max toughness and critting

[polar nexus]

do you know the formula for crit dmg?

[prisma sigil]

It's unkillable and it's beautiful

[winged whale]

Okay so what does the "BP" in BP calc refer to, annnnd what does "bc" in bc for crowds refer to?

[prisma sigil]

No but I trust the youtuber I got the build off of

[polar nexus]

god

[prisma sigil]

and the results with it are

off the wall

[polar nexus]

that's just shred and a power blessing

[ripe quest]

Breakpoint. "bc" refers to block canceling.

[prisma sigil]

I have headtaker on it too

[ripe quest]

If you tap block it'll reset the weapon's combo. In certain key cases it'll save time by skipping the startup.

[winged whale]

Ah, neat. Something beyond me for the time being then.

[polar nexus]

i know, headtaker is doing the hard word and shred is there for your cdr + dr

but crit dmg man

[prisma sigil]

Why not?

[ripe quest]

+crit damage isn't doing anything for you.

[elfin steppe]

The Mk II it's stronger for horde clear mainly because of the H1 and L2 L3, it also kills gunners or shotgunners much faster because your L1 and L4 can also one-tab flak gunners.

[prisma sigil]

I get over a thousand crits every game how is it not doing anything?

[ripe quest]

The damage calc on it isn't giving you +10% damage when you crit, it's increasing the bonus for critting by 10%.

[polar nexus]

For example, if base dmg is 100 and wp dmg is 120, with the perk the final dmg is not 120 + 120x10% = 132 but 120 + (120 - 100)x10% = 122. The perks only applies to the difference between base and crit or wp. It's arguably more useful on some weapons with big wp or crit multiplier.

it's the same for crits

[ripe quest]

On finesse weapons it's upwards of 4-6% actual damage, way lower on non-finesse weapons.

[polar nexus]

sorry for copypasta

[prisma sigil]

this doesnt make sense

where is this from

why would they do it like that

[polar nexus]

well

[winged whale]

I didn't ask earlier because it didn't seem important enough, but uh.. H1 refers to.. what, the main heavy swing with the MK II evis? I'm not sure what L2 and L3 refer to but I assume it's some other attack weight and direction?

[ripe quest]

Started back in the Vermintide days.

[polar nexus]

apparently crits and fatshark have a long history

[south folio]

the game hands out weakspot and crit bonuses in the ranges such as +30% from precision strikes because of this poopoo calculation

[ripe quest]

It's just a poorly communicated bonus.

[elfin steppe]

yeah, heavy 1, light 2 and light 3

[prisma sigil]

honestly this build does so much for me and ive been using it a long time, i'm reluctant to mess with it

the dude who made it is really really good

[ripe quest]

We just simplify it to H1 instead of Heavy 1.

[tropic harbor]

This will have more pure potato flavor and maybe nutrients, like vitamin potato

[cerulean wing]

Nice LOW INTENSITY heresy mission fartshart

[polar nexus]

you can be good at the game and not knowing the interactions between stuff

[winged whale]

I guess while we're at it I'll ask: I've been doing heavy - > light -> heavy - > light and so on with my MK II evis because that's what a friend told me to do. Sometimes with the block-shove into a (I think?) heavy attack thrown in too.

Has any of that been a mistake?

[ripe quest]

I'm skeptical if they put +crit damage on but regardless you'll get more with at the very least +elites. +Flak will cover a lot of enemies.

[elfin steppe]

True, but you still need decent weapons.

[prisma sigil]

https://youtu.be/fNjFsvrYcT4

its this dude

All his builds fuck

[polar nexus]

25 maniacs will do more for you, so does elite or unyielding

[wraith helm]

The crusher patrol smashing your bug teammates

[polar nexus]

and if you want the critlife take +5 crit chance

[elfin steppe]

I don't always do that because that attack pattern is slow.

[prisma sigil]

hrmh

That is tempting actually

[ripe quest]

He skipped second wind and did this idk.

[winged whale]

For single or duo targets I often do one heavy and then a series of lights.

[ripe quest]

tbf that's a speedrun video and not really an actual game.

[winged whale]

But for clumps of the uh, standard zombies it's been heavy into light into heavy, repeated.

[elfin steppe]

single target you should do l1

it deals insane damage

[prisma sigil]

You dont need second wind

Your chastise is always up because of the endless crits

[ripe quest]

Taxe already has high base crit + it has shred. You don't really need what +crit chance offers.

[prisma sigil]

You keep your toughness up basically non-stop

[prisma sigil]

He makes the vids short instead of dragging them out to 25 minutes like other builders but its def for actual games

[polar nexus]

i said, if you want the critlife

[prisma sigil]

It's the build I've been usin for about am onth and a half now I think

[elfin steppe]

also the l2 and l3 deals more dmage than H1

[polar nexus]

i did not said it was good but it's better than crit dmg

[elfin steppe]

Don't do H1 unless you need horde control

[wraith helm]

Carpal tunnel generator. Jesus

[ripe quest]

I wish Crab made Taxe videos just for this.

[prisma sigil]

Yes, at first it was pretty fuckin rough

but I got used to it

[split ibex]

The sprint talent is whatever but toughness instead of stacks on dodge is... 💀

[prisma sigil]

I cannot go back now

I've been enjoying it way too much

Honestly I haven't tried a new zealot build in over a month 💀

[ripe quest]

Second Wind is the Toughness on Dodge one, not Swift Certainty.

[polar nexus]

we did not say you were bad

[prisma sigil]

Nah I know

It's just why I'm skeptical about changing it

[polar nexus]

we think you could do better

[prisma sigil]

The results have just been fantastic

[split ibex]

I know, referring to the Keystone upgrades

[winged whale]

I've been using the no-stun node every single time I've played since picking the game back up again since launch. I sorta dread playing other classes and having to remember that everything's going to start stunning me again.

[ripe quest]

I mean, you can have fantastic results with anything if you try hard enough. There's always improvement to be had and this one is a really easy improvement to make.

[prisma sigil]

Well

Honestly I'm not sure what to replace it with

I don't really struggle with any mobs other than occasionally bulwarks are annoying because theres like 6 of them

Takes forever to whittle them down

Arent they Flak though?

[split ibex]

Did someone mention duelist yet? That build should have duelist

[ripe quest]

Their skin is Unyielding.

[wraith helm]

Id just replace the tougness on momentum stacks with the dodge gain. Other than that, throwing knives are meh

[prisma sigil]

I should know these things after 1000 hours of playtime but I don't

[prisma sigil]

Really now..

I'd like Unyielding tbh, faster boss killing

[prisma sigil]

Oh no

I can't listen if you think tknives are meh

[ripe quest]

holy shit he doesn't have duellist

whhha

[prisma sigil]

Tknives are fucking fabulous

[ripe quest]

bro that's absurd

[prisma sigil]

You dont need it

Like at all

It's redundant

[ripe quest]

+100% critical weakspot damage.

[prisma sigil]

you are the one who said

Extra crit damage is worthless because of its formula

Also its +50%

[south folio]

the +crit damage perk is worthless because it's a low value AND the calculation is bad

[ripe quest]

It's 50% weakspot and critical damage, +100% critical weakspot damage

[wraith helm]

I get it. But when i see someone with a kantrael shotty and NOT using the fire shell for the horde. It hurts my brain

[south folio]

for duellist, the value offered is high

it's +50% weakspot and +50% crit damage

[prisma sigil]

The fire shell is slower than the taxe

[split ibex]

The build should really look more like this

[prisma sigil]

and the tknives arent for hordes in any scenario how is that relevant?

[ripe quest]

I'll grab the code for you if you want but I assure you it's +100% critical weakspot damage

[split ibex]

Replace anoint in blood with Second wind if you want

[fading vale]

oh yeah that build is pretty terrible

[polar nexus]

lol mate

[fleet zealot]

or don't cause knife has huge crit chance already

[wraith helm]

I just like immo nades. and kantrael shotgun makes quick work of trash hordes and dealing DoT damage

[polar nexus]

it's taxe but he wanted the critlife

[ripe quest]

There's a very large difference between +10% using half of your perk slots and 1/30th of your talent tree for +100% critical weakspot damage. On Taxe that goes from redundant with 10% since it hits 0 breakpoints to being about as impactful as Decimator or Headtaker being fully up.

[fleet zealot]

taxe has huge crit chance already

[polar nexus]

i know

[split ibex]

Oh, I understanding the comment now lol

[polar nexus]

but we're coming from crit dmg

[prisma sigil]

All respect but Jay-Brodi is one of the best players I've seen and watch, has played an absolute fuckload of the match and crafted a lot of builds, and solo challenge runs content with the builds he makes too

I'm gonna trust his judgement on it, especially since almost every match I play with his builds I top the boards

[fleet zealot]

just cause you can make it work doesn't mean it's the best option

Lol

[fading vale]

there are several youtubers that can play the game and have no idea how the game works and make stupid ass builds

[fleet zealot]

or just because a youtuber can make it work, does not mean it's the best option

[prisma sigil]

If I can do the best anyways than I'm not worried about minmaxing beyond that

[south folio]

have you considered that you're just good and that pubs are not a good relative measure

[prisma sigil]

Well if I'm that good I don't need that extra bit of minmaxing anyways

[fleet zealot]

idk how in the emperor's name jaybrodi came to that conclusion but it's valentines day

[fleet zealot]

and we are still going to correct misinformation

[prisma sigil]

If you say so

[fleet zealot]

cause we don't want timmy the bad player to get the wrong idea and get extra held up in malice/heresy hell

[prisma sigil]

My man has not let me down with his builds so far

[fading vale]

well he has by giving you that one

[polar nexus]

and i don't understand the fangirling

[fleet zealot]

cause he had XxXSNIPERMARINEXxX told him to go crit damage+ weakspot damage

[prisma sigil]

Cus his vids are basically what got me from garbage to great

[wraith helm]

At that point, you have to ask if its the builds or yourself thats making it through the mission

[prisma sigil]

I feel the need to give credit

[fleet zealot]

it ain't his perks

[polar nexus]

yes but you can have your own opinion

[fleet zealot]

that made you great

[polar nexus]

we did not say we was bad

[fleet zealot]

probably the gameplay and maybe his talent tree process is good

[polar nexus]

i mean. i have seen his video

[obtuse stirrup]

Pretty sure somebody out there has soloed hard mode twins with a grey level 1 tac axe and a mkII recon and no talents

[fleet zealot]

ikr, people think wrong=bad and just mald out

[polar nexus]

i'd rather have him alone with his builds thant 99% of the pubs i play with

[fading vale]

some things are just objectively bad and objectively good, you can't just be like eh but it kinda works so I ignore that

[prisma sigil]

I aint malding out relax lol

I'm just opposing your opinion

[obtuse stirrup]

You can outplay shit gear choices if your instincts and game sense are perfect

[mossy scarab]

I'm never wrong

[solar gorge]

wow same what the fuck

[fleet zealot]

I don't have an opinion, it's factual fatshark doesn't know how math works half the time and crit damage/weakspot damage sucks

[wraith helm]

Thats what i was saying

[prisma sigil]

Then why are they telling me to take duelist 😠

[fleet zealot]

I know this, old chaxe was a lesson

[fading vale]

why wouldn't you take duellist

[fleet zealot]

duelist has a big number

[fading vale]

it's a massive damage increase

[mossy scarab]

Oh are we arguing about weakspot damage? Yea it's hot garbage

[fleet zealot]

the perks are bad

[fading vale]

big number talent vs small number perk

[obtuse stirrup]

Some people truly are filled with The Emperor

[fleet zealot]

but in high enough value, deadly accurate, duelist, etc, it's good

it's value/oppurtunity cost

[wraith helm]

Just dont take any talents Who needs those anyways?

[polar nexus]

duellist also applies to range

[fading vale]

especially since you are going crit and duelist is additive when you crit and weakspot

[fleet zealot]

hoyl shit is that why my mk3 headhunter suddenly pops off

[prisma sigil]

Me when the ogryn box penance was fucking bugged and I had to take the unupgraded box into a maelstrom

[polar nexus]

i mean lion, just try the changes we discussed

you can still roll back

[prisma sigil]

Ye I'm making an alternate build tree for it

I'm curious

[polar nexus]

just make your mind

[fleet zealot]

gonna pay jay to make a correct video

[fading vale]

never take momentum toughness, it's absolutely useless

[fleet zealot]

slash joke

[fading vale]

swift is also whatever cause it's really only movement speed

[fleet zealot]

swift is alright but people overestimate the bonus

[polar nexus]

honestly i would pay crab or laz or someone else to do a good video

[fleet zealot]

you don't really need it if you are sliding and chastising properly

[fading vale]

crabs video would be like 3 hours long

[wraith helm]

For my chorus build, id take duelist over another buff to the ability itself

[polar nexus]

i would pay someone to edit it then

[coarse birch]

people also dont know what swift does a lot of the time

[fading vale]

horribly worded talent

[fleet zealot]

you really, really shouldn't be at 0 stam anyways and I think it's a bad habit for newer players

they need to add a new term

[prisma sigil]

Swift completely negates gunners though

[fleet zealot]

called evasion

[fleet zealot]

so does sliding and chastising

[prisma sigil]

and even sliding and charging correctly is not enough if there are 5 or more gunners

[fleet zealot]

and all classes avoid ranged fire while sprinting above 0 stam

[fading vale]

but it doesn't, that's not how it works

[polar nexus]

i was sad to reallize that sc is just sprint eff but slighltu better

[prisma sigil]

It removes the gun punch

[polar nexus]

i wish i could proce dodge talents with it

[prisma sigil]

Entirely

[fading vale]

no

[prisma sigil]

Yes

It does

lmfao

[fading vale]

do you mean TWBS

[lean lark]

swift certainty enables the angled gunner immunity you have while running with stamina

[prisma sigil]

Is that not

what we're talking about

[lean lark]

at all times

[fleet zealot]

thats twbs dork

[fading vale]

swift is swift certainty

[prisma sigil]

Wiat

What swift-

OH

[coarse birch]

its nice but tbh if i have TWBS it feels unnecessary

[prisma sigil]

MY BAD YALL

[fleet zealot]

you still need to run at an angle

[prisma sigil]

lmfao

f

Hadron got mad at me for talking fast

[prisma sigil]

TWBS is probably one of my favorite talents

[fading vale]

but yeah most people misunderstand swift certainty

[polar nexus]

it's not really explained

[prisma sigil]

Other zealots cower in fear of ranged units and I shove myself up their rectums at all times

[polar nexus]

it's like sprint = dodge

[fleet zealot]

what other zealots

[lean lark]

albeit swift certainty has only one use and one use only: rush ahead and kill everything

[fleet zealot]

like maybe a chorus zealot?

rushing shooters is our job

[polar nexus]

and you have a bunch of dodge talents above

[fleet zealot]

they need to add the term evasion

[polar nexus]

true

[fleet zealot]

and replace the 2 defintions of dodging

[polar nexus]

agree

[lean lark]

yeah give them two years

[fleet zealot]

swift certainity= sprinting evasion

[lean lark]

might happen!

[prisma sigil]

I feel like I'm constantly seeing my fellow fanatics falling to shooters and gunners

[wraith helm]

I enjoy pushing bosses off cliffs when given the chance

[ripe quest]

Good.

[prisma sigil]

But granted I don't play in the discord, I only play pubs

[ripe quest]

I need a video of a guy talking at 2x speed while watching him at 2x speed.

[fleet zealot]

i might just @ catshark

[fading vale]

most pubs are just awful and playing in a higher difficulty than they can handle

[prisma sigil]

NGL that is the real reason I fangirl for Jay-Brodi

His build videos arent ten fucking hours long

He just gives you the build

and a brief summary of how to use it

[fleet zealot]

next time they show up in gen

[ripe quest]

For what?

[coarse birch]

ngl it feels like we need this at this point

[lean lark]

a long video about darktide is like, having to watch a body decompose while you're in the same room.

[fleet zealot]

add a term Evasion, and use it to replace the "not" dodging like from swift certainity

[coarse birch]

given the existence of like tanner and stuff

[polar nexus]

so you would like tanner lindberg then

[coarse birch]

showing off lacerate

[prisma sigil]

A long video about anything*

[fading vale]

I was gonna work on a guide with crab but then I uh, decided I'd rather lay on the couch

[polar nexus]

he said it was bad

[prisma sigil]

I don't understand how somebody could watch a nine hour video essay about the Decay of Sam and Cat

These people are deranged

[coarse birch]

yeah i just saw someone asking about lacaerate because of a tanner video

[fleet zealot]

they don't have adhd

so they can just sit down and enjoy longform content

[frosty herald]

get josho on the case

[fleet zealot]

ipad brain too strong

[ripe quest]

50% chance you get told that it should be put on the forums. Other 50% is that she just acts as an irl forums feedback post.

[polar nexus]

he talked about it in a video

[frosty herald]

white man has been here

why?

video essay

[polar nexus]

then in another said, just take flesh tearer

[prisma sigil]

https://youtu.be/GbmpsGODo6k 29 minute video that jumps on the 'smite is bad' train

[coarse birch]

id be down to do video stuff with people but i dont know the super intricate stuff

[prisma sigil]

I don't like him

[fleet zealot]

smite is bad like how old surge is bad

[coarse birch]

that like exhil knows

[polar nexus]

it's a reaction video

[fleet zealot]

but it's a necessary evil cause there is a fraction of players who are "support mains"

[fading vale]

hey one of the times I pinged catfish to complain about thrust bugs impact on weapons and community it was fixed the next day (totally not a coincidence)

[prisma sigil]

Smite is so easy clap I gave it to my buddy who just got the game and he was in auric damnations with me a day after he hit 30

I don't understand how people think its bad

[polar nexus]

smite is the infinite stun grenade of my psylot

and that's it

[fleet zealot]

people use it badly

[prisma sigil]

I was playing Darktide in a little window and watching Netflix while playing my smite psyker

[fleet zealot]

and don't understand when and where is a good time to play it

[delicate shadow]

it's boring af to play with

[fleet zealot]

it enables mid teams to have easy games but it just lets enemies build up until you are overwhelmed if your team is truly trash, it can't hard carry

[delicate shadow]

how people enjoy the palpatine cosplay is beyond me

[fading vale]

I prefer smite psykers that only smite the whole game and 90% of it is poxwalkers

[lean lark]

smite is the best cc tool in the entire game
Which proves that when bad people are handed good things, they mess it up. Like I did when I got handed a gun in '38.

[fleet zealot]

and for good teams, they would've cleared without it and it is gonna frustrate your zealots and melee ogryns if you cc the horde instead of letting them run into the meat mulcher

[prisma sigil]

I will admit it IS boring when overused

[polar nexus]

it's cool that he can play with you but he's not really learning

[prisma sigil]

I played with it a long time because of how easy it made the game but it was so easy I ended up switching to assail

[fleet zealot]

it messes with muscle memory

[prisma sigil]

He switched off to an assail build (from guess who) and he's still wreckin

I think my buddy is just good tbh, he listens to advice well

[fading vale]

like psyker has some of the best melee and ranged in the game hands down, just use smite occasionally

oh wow assail, also broken lol

[ripe quest]

If you invite me onto a video I'll accept. I'll warn you that my knowledge comes from me knowing how to find it and not so much that I know it off the top of my head.

[south folio]

smite is good but god its fucking design is awful

[wraith helm]

wait, does duelist work on the mk15

[prisma sigil]

I never got the hate for it

[fleet zealot]

it's the same hate carried over from OLD surge staff

except smite is actually useful now

[polar nexus]

it works on everything if you dodge and crit

[prisma sigil]

It's objectively great, especially if you combo it with shriek and blaze talents. TOO great probably

[fading vale]

people are terrible with it, make the game harder half the time, and don't contribute to kills

[south folio]

it's boring and pubs are very annoying with smite

[fleet zealot]

but people don't, they run shield, they smite everything from monstros to more

[polar nexus]

if you smite a pack of elites > good

[fleet zealot]

they don't know when it's a good time to swap, if they swap at all

[polar nexus]

anything else > bad

[prisma sigil]

Honestly though

More kills for you if they're bad

[lean lark]

whenever I get a smite psyker (if for some godforsaken reason I decide to play more of this game) I just rush ahead while killing as much stuff as I can

[fleet zealot]

like duelling sword+ a heavy hitting staff and you just use smite as a tool

[fading vale]

you could smite or uh, idk any of the murder everything on the screen options

[south folio]

except smite also makes it very boring and annoying to get those kills if I'm runing something like a melee build

[fleet zealot]

except if i'm palying zealot the entire horde is frozen 5 yds away from me

and I have to move out of posisition

[prisma sigil]

I'm trying to get my million heretics penance, my favorite games are the ones where my teammates are barely sentient. Smite psykers just put all the enemies in place for me

[south folio]

i already don't like what zealots stun grenades do

[delicate shadow]

I hate how people think smite is high dps when it's just getting carried by busted psyker talents

[fleet zealot]

or I'm winding up to kill a mutant, and the mutant gets stunned away from me

[south folio]

and now psyker has an infinitely more boring version of stun grenades

[delicate shadow]

could put those numbers up with literally any psyker build

[fleet zealot]

it's the soulblaze talents

[frosty herald]

smite leaving hordes of enemies around

[fleet zealot]

people say wildfire sucks

[frosty herald]

since it couldnt oneshot a basic poxwalker

[fleet zealot]

in psyker caht

[prisma sigil]

So what you're saying is

Psyker is broken

[fading vale]

I like that crab clip of him killing like 8 elites after he died

[fleet zealot]

it's easily one of their best blessings

[prisma sigil]

I agree tbh it's my second favorite class

[south folio]

i mean, all the classes are at this stage

[delicate shadow]

every class is broken, for my actual take

[wraith helm]

Well, i had an idea for a mk15 build but now i feel like im missing out on not having enduring faith

[polar nexus]

????

[prisma sigil]

Fair

I like it this way

[nimble fiber]

ooh zealot chat is awake again

[lean lark]

God, the every class is broken subject is still discussed?

[prisma sigil]

Any class can be a rampage monster if you play it well

[fading vale]

soulblaze proc off of detonation or something

[prisma sigil]

If every class is broken than none of them are

[lean lark]

And I thought the world became a better place

[fading vale]

there's a lot of overtuned stuff and specific talents etc that are way out of line

[lean lark]

soulblaze stacking talents snowball very quickly

[prisma sigil]

If you need more challenge than stop playing with pre-mades and hop into those Maelstroms, I feel like the most fun in Darktide is when you're forced to try and solo carry

[fading vale]

ogryn needs to be nerfed by like 50%

[prisma sigil]

Though I am starting to hunger for a diff 6

[wraith helm]

makes melee maelstroms a cake walk

[polar nexus]

i wish i had more players in my zone

[lean lark]

since the talent soulblaze has a 31 limit stack

[prisma sigil]

Haha this is when I like smite actually

[fading vale]

vets damage needs nerfing and they can get over themselves, and shout

[prisma sigil]

Mostly melee enemies + smite is a windowed mode and netflix match for sure

[wraith helm]

Forget smite. blaze trauma does the real work

[prisma sigil]

I think Voidstrike is p good for it too

Psyker is just

Delicious

[fleet zealot]

but wildfire bad> psyker chat for some reason

they just don't understand how chip damage and random pickoffs can be useful

[fading vale]

void is busted but for whatever reason people dropped it after a minor nerf

[fleet zealot]

it scales with density and in auric you have nothing but density

[delicate shadow]

psyker chat will say smite is good while simultaneously sleeping on everything that carries it

[prisma sigil]

Hell no

[fleet zealot]

I still use void, it still staggers monstros with a surge crit weakspot

[prisma sigil]

When I hung out in Psyker chat, it was 'smite is bad' every fuckin day

[wraith helm]

Just ask @frozen ibex Soulblaze is bad, right? ||Say yes so it doesnt get nerfed||

[fading vale]

and instead started running gunker with the totally not OP IAG

[prisma sigil]

Drove me up the wall because I was loving Smite Psyker at the time

[delicate shadow]

I had the opposite experience lmao

[prisma sigil]

Felt like it made every match a cakewalk

[fleet zealot]

psyker chat is the new vet caht

[south folio]

well, we're killing things pretty quickly and the game needs to spam >20 elites at a time for any semblance of difficulty

[fleet zealot]

they just need to get their own darcy

[prisma sigil]

This is when you're good though

[south folio]

i sure love fighting 20 ragers

[lusty turtle]

psyker chat was always like that

[prisma sigil]

I guarantee you, hop into pubs and you'll see BKs dropping like flies even in heresy/malice

[wraith helm]

psyker chat would say the same about zealot chat

[fading vale]

yeah they are gonna have to do huge rebalancing to make a compelling higher difficulty

[prisma sigil]

Lets be HONESt

[south folio]

yes but i'm not considering the lowest common denominator

[prisma sigil]

The ONLY chat that isn't a cesspit is the Ogryn chat imo

[fleet zealot]

vet chat-> if i can't have my 7 powered swings, 75% damage reduction, and my 50% toughness regen on kill talent I'm going to review bombt his game

[fading vale]

lmao

[prisma sigil]

You mean the majority of the playerbase?

[fleet zealot]

that's cause ogryn chat got purged

[fading vale]

OGRYN CHAT????

[south folio]

yes, the majority of the playerbase that won't be affected by the balancing at the top levels

because there are multiple difficulties in this game

[fleet zealot]

cause they thought it would be a genius idea to argue with the mods about what counts as a slur

[polar nexus]

you mean big white bald racist men chat?

[south folio]

like what even is your point, that the game should remain this easy even at diff 5 maelstroms?

[prisma sigil]

It aint that easy

If you're at the top level that much no amount of balancing will keep it challenging for you besides more escalation

[south folio]

what is not that easy, the balancing?

[prisma sigil]

It's why I want a difficulty 6