HOW COULD YOU
#zealot-class
royal vortex
hushed knoll
north sedge
Terri Orlando
dense field
I... What
hushed knoll
No
wraith helm
You’re not a hummus hand on a bird’s body
Do you play scrabble in your head to determine the weirdest thing you can say
fading vale
tbf Dough was already named that
median steeple
Crazy dave trying to escape his mind
fading vale
had an old man in my town named dancing Dave
would go out to the clubs and dance with all the 20 year olds
solar gorge
aslong as he doesn't get his hands on pea shooters seed
nimble fiber
terri orlando is also a very great name
north sedge
Sounds like a wrestler
nimble fiber
kind of yeah
or a legendary bandit hunter
flint birch
hey guys how should i build this Heavy evis for my blazing piety/scourge build?
vocal pulsar
hey guys how should i build this Heavy evis for my blazing piety/scourge build?
that's almost amazing
it's pretty good
swap perks to flak + carapace
fleet zealot
median steeple
sleepy time
nimble fiber
seems like zealot chat has sleepy time
hidden verge
good knife for z? 😄
flint birch
that's almost amazing
Appreciate you!
flint birch
swap perks to flak + carapace
Why carapace over Maniac?
wraith helm
Why carapace over Maniac?
You already do so much in your overhead heavy swings
indigo quartz
good knife for z? 😄
Knife and good don't go in the same sentence
Low pen instead of low mobility is a big downside
2 bad perks and bad blessing
At least you can rip riposte 4 off it
wraith helm
Just make your shredding ability even more stronger by becoming the rejects can opener.
hidden verge
Knife and good don't go in the same sentence
so z should stick with the big stuff?
hammer, chain axe, evis etc?
nimble fiber
It is time
indigo quartz
There's a lot more nuance to the answer
But it's because knife is undertuned
That's all
Even if it was a good roll
It wouldn't change that knife is in a rough place
wraith helm
It wouldn't change that knife is in a rough place
The mk3? Yeah. All its good for is making a new airhole in a crusher suit
shy river
Is perfect strike/shred eviscerator cringe even on a crit zealot?
Mecha mommy spat one out at me
wraith helm
I wouldn't think so. What's 80% compared to 220 or even 180%
indigo quartz
I like perfect strike over other utility blessings
Perfect strike is a lot more than 200% cleave for hitmass
fleet zealot
perfect strike really only works on mk15 and on mk15 you have to give up rampage for shred if you do that
(evi)
indigo quartz
yeah and rampage doesn't let you meet new useful BPs
fleet zealot
on other weapons the sweep+rampage combo is way more consistent
indigo quartz
nor does it particularly speed up horde clears to give up the safety of hitting 15 odd poxwalkers with your impact stat
fleet zealot
wdym 36% power is bad?
indigo quartz
its not not good
fleet zealot
it's bis
indigo quartz
but its not so good as to alienate alteratives
fleet zealot
for crit mk15 i'd just go shred rampage
indigo quartz
its not like power cycler on power swords
fleet zealot
rampage is just that good
indigo quartz
when people keep treating it like that
fleet zealot
36% power 
indigo quartz
if it didn't have a cleave cap sure
fleet zealot
(tooltip in game is wrong, it gives power, not damage)
indigo quartz
but this is the evis 15
indigo quartz
do you want to get stuck in the 'ran out of hitmass' swing animation whenever you're fighting scabs or HiStG hordes?
fleet zealot
but this is the evis 15
yes
dense field
but this is the evis 15
Yes, and?
fleet zealot
do you want to get stuck in the 'ran out of hitmass' swing animation whenever yo...
that doesn't really happen to me?
I know perfect strike can be effective in certain situations
but I never had a moment where "damn i wish I had pstrike"
rampage helps with that
indigo quartz
happens all the time on HiISTG whenever I happen to play
fleet zealot
cause it gives 36% cleave and stagger and damage
indigo quartz
and trying rampage did nothing for those scenarios
it didn't let me meet new BPs in the calc tool nor psykanium
calm salmon
do you want to get stuck in the 'ran out of hitmass' swing animation whenever yo...
this only happens on the old eviscerator
and for that one, savage sweep/rampage are the meta picks
indigo quartz
it absolutely happens on the mk15's lights
indigo quartz
not with perfect strike
neat hatch
MUH BPS
fleet zealot
pstrike only matters for the 3rd target
fleet zealot
and it requires a very specific hitmass lineup
indigo quartz
and its CDR for blazing piety
indigo quartz
savage sweep is a lot less than perfect strike
and perfect strike also works on maulers/crushers
fleet zealot
pstrike is niche, but it is effective on mk15
calm salmon
savage sweep is 200% more cleave
fleet zealot
and perfect strike also works on maulers/crushers
so does just doing an activated overhead
indigo quartz
perfect strike is like 400% + armor modifier ignore
calm salmon
if you need any more than that
fleet zealot
savage sweep is *200%* more cleave
mk15 is target capped
fleet zealot
perfect strike is 100%+ignore partial armor
indigo quartz
like 30 something poxwalkers + ragers
calm salmon
or whatever SS gets you to with rampage
fleet zealot
which is just 36% power
indigo quartz
its saved my ass countless times where rampage does literally nothing
it doesn't reduce how many swings I need to commit
fleet zealot
and wdym no meaningful breakpoints it adds on to the rest of your damage bonuses in talents
calm salmon
that said, I run momentum/rampage on mk15 exclusively
if you're struggling with cleave
you're uh
bad?
indigo quartz
rampage does not turn any 2-swing kills intos 1 swing kills
north shuttle
perfect strike is 100%+ignore partial armor
Perfect strike ignores all hitmass or just flak armor?
indigo quartz
all hitmass
fleet zealot
Perfect strike ignores all hitmass or just flak armor?
neither
indigo quartz
I usually get 4 crushers in the psykanium
it feels really nice when you don't get stuck and then overheaded
useful for HiStG when theres 5 crushers
fleet zealot
it reduces the hitmass but not entirely
indigo quartz
and you can't commit to a revved heavy
fleet zealot
if you are using mk15 lights vs crushers just swap to crusher
calm salmon
and you can't commit to a revved heavy
this is a mechanic that doesn't exist anymore by the way
you can just dodge out of chainsaw animations
sterile basalt
Perfect strike ignores all hitmass or just flak armor?
it says "hitmass bonus from armor"
indigo quartz
being able to cancel the final Rip' means you dont 1 shot the crusher
indigo quartz
it says "hitmass bonus from armor"
tooltip is wrong, just like rampage
and if you're not able to one shot with your revved heavy
calm salmon
being able to cancel the final Rip' means you dont 1 shot the crusher
and you're talking about attacking 4 of them with a light attack so your point makes zero sense
indigo quartz
why did you rev and heavy
sterile basalt
tooltip is wrong, just like rampage
so it's like BM?
calm salmon
brutal momentum is a conditional +4 cleave targets
north shuttle
it reduces the hitmass but not entirely
Does anyone know exactly what it does?
fleet zealot
bm is cleave for 4 hits
fleet zealot
Does anyone know exactly what it does?
i think it just sets armored units down to like, idk, i need to test it
sterile basalt
BM is like 10000% cleave
BM is 4 target capped
indigo quartz
I am exagerating because you didn't even know how PS works
indigo quartz
i figured people are being hyperbolic at this point rather than actually wanting to test or discuss benefits
fleet zealot
i figured people are being hyperbolic at this point rather than actually wanting...
you can go run pstrike
indigo quartz
because hugging rampage like its power cycler is still weird to me
fleet zealot
but you haven't convinced me an inch to drop rampage
calm salmon
rampage+whatever
indigo quartz
sure
calm salmon
is the mk15 meta pick
sterile basalt
BM doesn't necessarily make u cleave more, it uses first target dmg for first 4 targets in a cleave
fleet zealot
cause you don't know how power buffs your damage especially when you stack up your damage talents
indigo quartz
I know how power works
calm salmon
so long as you have rampage
indigo quartz
it still doesn't meet the BPs
if it actually did I'd use it
but instead I have a flex slot alongside shred 4
calm salmon
BM doesn't necessarily make u cleave more, it uses first target dmg for first 4 ...
Like I said, a conditional +4 cleave targets.
fleet zealot
obv you don't use it because you only hyperfixated on first target 1-2 swings
it makes everything better and faster
indigo quartz
it does not
calm salmon
Brutal Momentum is still one of the best blessings in the game, but its fairly simple under the hood.
One shot someone on a headshot, ignore their mass.
fleet zealot
but it does
indigo quartz
especially on a cleave capped target
calm salmon
Continues to 4 enemies then normal cleave values take hold.
north shuttle
perfect strike + bloodthirsty on og evis and the rev doesn’t get caught on flak armor
fleet zealot
perfect strike + bloodthirsty on og evis and the rev doesn’t get caught on flak...
that's filthy ngl
calm salmon
Brutal Momentum is still one of the best blessings in the game, but its fairly s...
Though its also a blessing that's extremely reliant on the currently massively overtuned damage profiles on the weapons it goes on.
Power Sword, Combat Axe, Heavy Swords
fleet zealot
i get the vision but that is putting all your eggs in one basket
taxes can't use BM well at all
indigo quartz
perfect strike + bloodthirsty on og evis and the rev doesn’t get caught on flak...
i'll keep that in mind if I ever roll a decent MK2
calm salmon
As for shield. . . its shield. Brutal Momentum is nice for heavy 1 but I dunno. Most enemies are irrelevant to shield these days.
fleet zealot
i think taxes should get old BM
indigo quartz
but for a Crit CDr build, which is what was mentioned at the start of this
shred 4 + some kind of utility is my pick for the mk15
fleet zealot
shred rampage
calm salmon
I don't disagree amelia.
calm salmon
But I also recognize that literally infinite cleave is still problematic.
indigo quartz
so its all wasted damage + cleave + impact
fleet zealot
I don't disagree amelia.
i wanna find someone who disagrees cause taxe with old BM wasn't busted
calm salmon
Even on weapons as aggressively mediocre as tac axes.
proud scroll
What do i change?
fleet zealot
but you do kill enemies in less hits you only cared about first target hits 1 and 2
north shuttle
What do i change?
Pox walkers to flak
indigo quartz
What do i change?
flak 25% + another 25%
fleet zealot
you start doing horde clearing tests it becomes more apparent
indigo quartz
Mk2 las pistol has the highest of its damage profiles against flak
I personally like carapace because when you FotF and downgrade carapace to flak ADM
calm salmon
I'm still trying to think of a single situation where I'd actually want perfect strike on anything though.
And I can't think of any.
Rampage+Momentum is the way to go on mk15 evi for me
indigo quartz
it still counts as carapace for 25%
proud scroll
Is dumdum good for thus pistol?
calm salmon
With valid arguments for Rampage+SS or Shred
indigo quartz
dumdum is mandatory
proud scroll
Ah okie! thanks 🙂
north shuttle
I personally like carapace because when you FotF and downgrade carapace to flak ...
If you need to shoot Cara as zealot just charge debuff it to flak and delete it
indigo quartz
rampage
proud scroll
Worth rolling for higher dumdum or is the 380 worth it
indigo quartz
If you need to shoot Cara as zealot just charge debuff it to flak and delete it
it still counts as carapae
calm salmon
Since I use throwing knives, I can just F for Fury of the Faithful and then two shot a crusher with throwing knives
indigo quartz
but uses flak ADM
calm salmon
no reason to engage them in melee
indigo quartz
flak is for when you're fighting anything not named crushers
calm salmon
Since I use throwing knives, I can just F for Fury of the Faithful and then two ...
or shoot them with a gun
fleet zealot
calm salmon
or literally anything that isn't engaging a pack of crushers in melee because I'm not ogryn
indigo quartz
carapace also lets you downgrade mauler helmets to flak
calm salmon
or carting around a crusher
indigo quartz
and make use of the MK2s higher than average Finesse
indigo quartz
zamb, let me know when zealot gets dueling or power sword
calm salmon
zamb, let me know when zealot gets dueling or power sword
You are incredibly dense.
Those were examples where I don't care about crushers in melee.
If I'm carting around a mk15 eviscerator, the last thing I'm doing is charging into a group of crushers, but zealot specific weapons would be combat axe and crusher where I would.
And then the listed above for veteran/psyker.
fleet zealot
happy valentines, hope you are all sharing the love of the god emperor
ripe quest
mk15 likes perfect strike with blazing piety
Not really.
The big thing that makes it even a sidegrade on the Mk II w/ a crit build isn't on the XV.
blissful sinew
what's that?
ember yew
sacred jay
is ruthless backstab good for a knife
median steeple
it can work but you want uncanny on that thing
steel hearth
anyone up helping me getting the zealot pendance just a flesh wound. i unlocked hardmode so we can jump to the twin bosses need 2 more
fleet zealot
is ruthless backstab good for a knife
uncanny>ruthless backstab
sacred jay
damn dont have uncanny
tall cave
Subtraction is.
ripe quest
what's that?
H1 on the Mk II is fairly solid for elites. Also the uncapped target thing but that's more auxiliary. With a crit build every 4/5 hits will either get a boosted part of that value or it'll buff the L2, which is just extra stagger and more of a utility thing when it happens. On the XV you only get that utility usage out of PS, which isn't entirely bad by any means but you'd be better off with consistency due to it.
ripe quest
Subtraction is.
Took me a second to realize you were the YTer for it. I'm mostly just curious what led to that being used, I'm not particularly deep into the why w/ math.
spare talon
the main thing i remember from the video aside from the general conclusion was the use of discrete math symbols that i had just learned the week prior from a course i was taking lmao
ripe quest
I suppose it's actually a good thing that you did it too but the reason that were was slight variation was probs due to BoN's head moving.
vocal pulsar
numbers and math make me angry
frank night
FURIOUS
frank night
@south folio
lusty turtle
Arco is stinky
royal vortex
this is the 2nd time i have been the only guy up vs a cspawn and a flamer targets me after i have been grabbed
sentencing me to death
vocal pulsar
this is the 2nd time i have been the only guy up vs a cspawn and a flamer target...
tip: dodge chaos spawn
yw
royal vortex
who do i pay to get that dogshit interaction removed
tall cave
Took me a second to realize you were the YTer for it. I'm mostly just curious wh...
I was looking at two different weapons (Mk V and Mk III Shovels) that have the same attack pattern. They both have the constant of 15 sets of the Light-Heavy combo. However, since they aren't the exact same weapon, it seemed more appropriate to average the variables (V1 and V2) to determine the difference, instead of the other formula for % of change where I know it's the same weapon and the only variable between them is the +10% attack speed bonus from a Talent.
How different are these two things, versus how much has this one thing changed.
frank night
this is the 2nd time i have been the only guy up vs a cspawn and a flamer target...
my favourite interaction (nonironic)
royal vortex
the cspawn holds me over the fire to cook me before consumption
vocal pulsar
vored
fading vale
the cspawn holds me over the fire to cook me before consumption
you need the cspawn that helped me out
by grabbing me like 5 times
royal vortex
i am so mad
royal vortex
no
vocal pulsar
run of the mill
nimble fiber
special spawner is a menace and wants u dead
vocal pulsar
i for one want the overwatch treatment
more stuns
more grabs
more slowing
for playerss
calm salmon
happy valentines, hope you are all sharing the love of the god emperor
well if that just ain't the cutest thing I've ever seen
royal vortex
i for one want the overwatch treatment
suffer
lofty shell
What kinda perks should I put on this buds?
vocal pulsar
thammer needs unyielding dmg perk
frank night
the cspawn holds me over the fire to cook me before consumption
it is highly loreful and good
vocal pulsar
you want thrust + slaughterer/headtaker and unyielding + flak/elite
momentum is not meta
lone matrix
which weapons beside flamer are good for the shocking stuff penance
vocal pulsar
slaughterer will kill the horde faster
which makes you safer
killing stuff eliminates the threat
and gives toughness
lofty shell
meh then until I get at least a lvl 3 slaughterer blessing I'll be running momentum lol
vocal pulsar
i would only consider running momentum on a build that has NO toughness generating feats
on an evis only
lone matrix
and is one of the braced rifles good?
pseudo anvil
how tf do i use the hammer?
it feels beyond terrible
lone matrix
Just doesn't do much to heavier enemies
with a evicerator or hammer it is no problem
lofty shell
how tf do i use the hammer?
it feels beyond terrible
It takes getting used to.
vocal pulsar
how tf do i use the hammer?
it feels beyond terrible
it needs thy wrath be swift feat
lofty shell
Idk ever since I started using a revolver its hard to go back
revolvers just bonkers
ripe quest
I was looking at two different weapons (Mk V and Mk III Shovels) that have the s...
When comparing two weapons like with the Mk V and III Shovels, I could see the 'why' for finding the average like that. It'd be equivalent to saying "This weapon is x% faster, and the other is y% slower, here is the average between the % to find the difference". However wouldn't it be incorrect to use that % difference to show how much faster a specific one is over the other? That formula was used and you said 'the Mk III is % faster on average than the Mk V', instead of saying that the % shown is the difference between the two.
It doesn't seem to matter a whole lot considering the difference in every test in that video would be a matter of +- 0.03 at most
I intend to look into similar numbers at some point and I want to get numbers out accurately, so I'm just ironing this out so I don't sling misinfo later on. I don't mean to come off as accusatory or anything.
pseudo anvil
it needs thy wrath be swift feat
that i lacked, it certainly felt like i needed it
pseudo anvil
It takes getting used to.
it was a pretty damn poor time so it must take lots of getting used to lol
fortunately i had 2 plasma chads on my team so they wiped the floor with everything
frosty herald
Not using thy wrath be swift on zealot is a bit silly
frosty herald
Itchy balls kasuga
nimble fiber
we'll see if its still beautiful if u upgrade it 
celest quail
Got t4 flesh tear on the last consecration
celest quail
your next rolls are now cursed
Sobbing
visual stream
how tf do i use the hammer?
it feels beyond terrible
What others said about TWBS but also take sustained assault as well for good damage. Mechanically it just takes a little getting used to in terms of hitting the specific enemy you want to hit (if using crucis), but mostly it's about being sure to position yourself in a way that gives you a second to recover from the self-stun. Ironhelm lets you cleave through multiple enemies until you hit a special/elite and has a shorter self-stun, if you're looking for an easier time getting into hammers and want a more horde-oriented weapon.
tall cave
I intend to look into similar numbers at some point and I want to get numbers ou...
Agreed. The difference is pretty negligible between the two since the values compared are quite close together, relative to the whole. As value of difference between them increases, the two calculations can show a difference that may be important.
For instance if V1 = 50 and V2 = 60 for those two calculations, then:
The percentage of difference between them is 18.18%.
The percentage of change between them is a flat 20%.
nimble fiber
mushroom soup
ripe quest
Agreed. The difference is pretty negligible between the two since the values com...
Yeah, what made me a bit unsure immediately was using a sterile test to see how the formula worked and it gave a 66% difference between 1 and 2.
Which isn't mega representative of accuracy but it just doesn't seem to offer the right info for the subject.
tall cave
Which isn't mega representative of accuracy but it just doesn't seem to offer th...
I assume that was testing where one number is double the value of the other?
ripe quest
I assume that was testing where one number is double the value of the other?
Yeah. Ran it with simple numbers. The difference becomes notable beyond the 30% threshold.
tall cave
Yeah. Ran it with simple numbers. The difference becomes notable beyond the 30% ...
To be fair, I'm not a big math wiz. It's a tool to satiate curiosity. It made more sense to me to look at how different the two shovels were from each other since I wasn't "changing" a variable to compare. They're different weapons.
fleet zealot
ripe quest
To be fair, I'm not a big math wiz. It's a tool to satiate curiosity. It made mo...
No worries at all, the difference is so minor that the video's info is still solid. I was just curious as to the thought process behind using it.
There's a certain level of accuracy that ends up being a bit fuzzy in practice due to user error anyways, someone sneezing would have a larger blip on performance.
sacred jay
damn i got proper bolter drop
ripe quest
If you swap Thrust to T4 that's a very nice Thammer. +Carapace isn't the best on it though, it's just some extra padding.
fading vale
at least carapace helps hit crusher 1 shot with chastise and no buffs
ornate bone
yeah thaTs why I like carapce a lot
i love one shotting basically everything besides bosses
pseudo anvil
Not using thy wrath be swift on zealot is a bit silly
the original build i followed on the forum didnt
seemed quite a bit silly to me too, and it certainly was
frosty herald
Post the build
pseudo anvil
Post the build
i added twbs and removed the crit stuff from the top
im not ingame anymore, next time i will look into it again
frosty herald
What the fuck
split ibex
how tf do i use the hammer?
it feels beyond terrible
Hammer should be played very defensively. Stuff like Second Wind is very useful. I also use Chastise as the ult since it's a nice 'be where you need to be when fully charged' button
pseudo anvil
Wound curios without martyrdom????
wow, just noticed
frosty herald
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a64d1ae-c748-44f5-add9-f17fcb0470d3/au...
@fading vale @royal vortex
frosty herald
Not using twbs for a bosskill build
pseudo anvil
auric damnation is either a whole team dead in 3 minutes or steamroll for me, very rarely if ever in between
fading vale
I run this but with backstab CDR over swift on crucis
frosty herald
I would just make your own build
fading vale
and this hammer
pseudo anvil
I run this but with backstab CDR over swift on crucis
hmm, i went for stealth ability but felt that the lunge might be better
pseudo anvil
I would just make your own build
yeah, that is what i will do next time im on
frosty herald
Its up to your prefference
fading vale
charge is definitely better, stealth is just for funny boss 1 shots which you don't really need
frosty herald
Stealth backstab does alot more damage than the charge
pseudo anvil
and this hammer
mine isnt so nice unfortunately
defence is dump stat, cirt chance instead of flak and headtaker 4 instead of slaughterer
pseudo anvil
Stealth backstab does alot more damage than the charge
do you recommend the modification to it that extends the cooldown time?
frosty herald
no
fading vale
I am the hammer person, headtaker vs slaughterer is whatever, most arguments for headtaker are bad, crit chance is useless, and of course defence is dump stat but I'd rather have trip 80s in damage
frosty herald
i wouldnt reccomend the 50% extra finesse damage
6 seconds is alot more utility for stealth
pseudo anvil
I am the hammer person, headtaker vs slaughterer is whatever, most arguments for...
🤷♂️
i will take what rolls i can get, this is the best i got so far
fading vale
you have a good hammer just not the crit damage
frosty herald
you can safely revive someone when you pop 6sec stealth most of the time
it runs out when the person gets up
runic rune
Did they downgrade the servers?!!
My game is lagging and freezing every 40 seconds or so
fading vale
people like to claim headtaker items for boss damage for some reason which is the typical argument
frosty herald
they switched the servers over to mumbai
fading vale
which makes no sense, but yes headtaker is solid it's just not for better boss damage
frosty herald
and someone has been leeching off of the power grid there
fading vale
easy to stack and maintain is the best part
ornate bone
because of that i feel like its better against bosses
fading vale
flak is also desired now on hammer for general performance and maulers
frosty herald
use ironhelm for the funny charge without getting interrupted until specialist or elite hit
fading vale
carapace sadly doesn't hit breakpoints anymore unless you are stacking a lot of marty
fading vale
the point at which you go from say 2 shots to 1 shot
ornate bone
i have carapce damage and sometimes i can one shot crushers
if i change that to flak will i just lose the one shot abilioty?
frosty herald
yes
fading vale
you can one shot them if they are damaged enough or with chastise
frosty herald
its not that big of an issue
fading vale
otherwise with max thrust 4 you need roughly 100% more damage to one shot them
frosty herald
unless you have a crusher or mauler wave
fading vale
which is not easy to get
frosty herald
with maulers just use ranged with crushers hope to god your charged hit stagger doesnt interrupt a dodge or happen mid enemy swing
ornate bone
so would i be wise to just try to get thrust 4 from thrust 3 instead of changing my carapce damage perk?
fading vale
you can one shot them from full with some number of marty stacks, max sustain, max headtaker/slaughterer, carapace perk, and fewer stacks of whatever if duellist is up
fading vale
so would i be wise to just try to get thrust 4 from thrust 3 instead of changing...
thrust 4 is the best thing you could do yeah
fading vale
carapace is just suboptimal, not bad
ornate bone
gotcha ty for input
frosty herald
switch out carapace for flak
or unyielding for flak
its not that important on ironhelm
ornate bone
i dont have trouble with flak dudes
fading vale
oh it's an ironhelm
technically ironhelm needs carapace to 1 shot crushers with chastise
but without flak you probably rarely 1 shot maulers, is what it is though
ornate bone
i only heavy melee with it is that fine? or should i use regualt attacks to
the only time i use regular attacks is to get trash off me so i can get a heavy swing off
ornate bone
twbs? whats that
cerulean pine
Playing without twbs is so difficult for me
frosty herald
Thy wrath be swift
cerulean pine
It's a talent tax for me lol
frosty herald
Dont get staggered anymore
Its arguably mandatory for the thunder hammer since you can freely heavy without being interrupted
open echo
fleet zealot
ornate bone
damn thats far from my build
ornate bone
i manage to dodge to make up for it. and with good situation awareness i rarely have any problems with positioning but that perks does seem to have quality of life advantages to it
so im not too sure if its worth spending 3 talents to get that one. Ill have to see what i can move around
north sedge
It stops ranged stagger too
ornate bone
melee attack speed helps charge heavy melees fast right?
frosty herald
Yes
north sedge
And it's worth it
ornate bone
pogo cool
frosty herald
The talent leading up to twbs is spread reduction on dodge right?
frosty herald
Its absurdly cracked on braced autoguns
You can turn the graia into a sniper vector
north sedge
Twbs is one of the best nodes hands down, almost always worth it
median steeple
https://tenor.com/view/fat-nugs-gif-18741459
nuggets 
fading vale
if you don't run TWBS on hammer you are basically sacrificing damage and bonk ability
royal vortex
ignore the failed h1 input twice in a row
idk if it was a brain issue or a game issue
fading vale
can you do it sure but you aren't bonking in hordes and trading hits on purpose
ripe quest
ignore the failed h1 input twice in a row
The failed PA while having stamina and the ragdoll of the guy the sniper hit 2 seconds later, just chef's kiss 
frosty herald
getting hit during a heavy in a horde almost always means instant death
it has gotten me on vet and psyker a few times
royal vortex
The failed PA while having stamina and the ragdoll of the guy the sniper hit 2 s...
my brain was cooked while also dealing with terrible ping
god knows what was happenin these games
the last few days ive had this bizarre issue where my shovels are being folded on swap
not as in playing the fold anim they just are folded
only on the vet ones
ripe quest
wooden river
why is that gunner dabbing
royal vortex
why is that gunner dabbing
fleet zealot
lusty turtle
https://streamable.com/m2grwz
i hate my voice 
royal vortex
i bet stan doesn't
nimble fiber
skele voice reveal
lusty turtle
my voice is awful
nimble fiber
liar
royal vortex
i have played for far too many hours before realizing enemies guns dont despawn when u kill them
fleet zealot
i hate mine more
royal vortex
my voice is awful
everyone says this
nimble fiber
is it only the guns?
royal vortex
i have no idea
lusty turtle
everyone says this
but its true in this case!
nimble fiber
i half assed voice training and won't finish
voice training
ripe quest
Holy shit he's doing the california girls dance
fleet zealot
voice training<:wtfgryn:1099688205420347412>
yes
nimble fiber
arco voice reveal :o
fleet zealot
no
frank night
god you can see arcotash do an actual cocaine snuffle when picking up the boxes
royal vortex
ive said so much dumb shit to arco
royal vortex
i have never stunned him like this
royal vortex
stop LYING
nimble fiber
https://tenor.com/view/left4dead-left4dead2-ellis-ellis-l4d2-l4d-gif-26791637
ellis was my main fr
winged whale
I played Darktide at release and am picking it up again now. I'm looking at a few white eviscerators and am trying to figure out which of the stats is the 'dump stat'. Anyone have any advice?
lusty turtle
stop LYING
Ur just wrong 😤
royal vortex
@frank night i want u to know i played a couple matches with skele and this was his main takeaway
median steeple
stalk eyes
winged whale
On the Mk XV Cleave Targets isn't the craziest loss if it's low.
Ah, I'm gunning for the MK II heavy, because I like it. I imagine it's sub optimal compared to the newer one that came out recently.
ripe quest
Having heard Mr. Bones irl, he sounds fine.
ripe quest
Ah, I'm gunning for the MK II heavy, because I like it. I imagine it's sub optim...
No not really
Both are fairly balanced with eachother
Mk II has way better crowd damage, the Mk XV has better 1 shot potential for elites.
winged whale
I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to this stuff, doesn't lower mobility also mean I'll run slower? Probably not a huge deal at all, but I've been using one with 80 percent mobility and the idea of losing run speed sounds a bit jarring.
ripe quest
You'll run a tad bit slower but if it's over 50% you get the dodge breakpoint and you're still mobile for the weapon. The range that mobility has on run speed and whatnot is small.
winged whale
I can't post the screenshot, but the eviscerator I have right now has 79 damage, 80 mobility, 56 penetration, 80 cleave, and 77 shredder.
I read somewhere that penetration matters less for eviscerators because of their shredder function, is that actually true, and practical?
ripe quest
Pen is a greater damage stat than damage itself for non-fodder.
It affects the special revs as well.
lusty turtle
<@182901095075414016> i want u to know i played a couple matches with skele and ...
i stand by my statement
lusty turtle
Having heard Mr. Bones irl, he sounds fine.
you've heard me irl 
winged whale
Ah, hm. I'll hop in the psychanium later and try to compare my 80 damage high-70's pen evis to the one I mentioned above and see how worse off it is against non-chaff then.
ripe quest
<@182901095075414016> i want u to know i played a couple matches with skele and ...
Having seen the clip that comment was joined with I can agree.
ripe quest
you've heard me irl <a:GatorMonkaS:1053111328203604049>
mhm
frank night
<@182901095075414016> i want u to know i played a couple matches with skele and ...
from playing with you im pretty sure you have some form of bat in your ancestry
lusty turtle
how!
lusty turtle
i don't even go outside
frank night
you hunt via sound cue
ripe quest
i don't even go outside
From what I saw that lines up.
royal vortex
shit happens
lusty turtle
exhilious has been stalking me
royal vortex
anyways less than 24 hours before that clip was posted arco was complaining i had a quote "hawk eye" for elites/specials
spineless behavior
ngl
void bison
how is your pond
void bison
frank night
anyways less than 24 hours before that clip was posted arco was complaining i ha...
anything that goes on the scoreboard yes
winged whale
Pen is a greater damage stat than damage itself for non-fodder.
So if 56 percent isn't enough pen, what do I really want to aim for? Is it important to max it to 80 or would a flat 70, with near-80's in everything else, still be worth taking?
frank night
how many times have you replayed it now
winged whale
I'm trying to really find the best evis I can before I start throwing blessings etc onto it- which is also something I've never done before.
ripe quest
So if 56 percent isn't enough pen, what do I really want to aim for? Is it impor...
Higher the better, the exact threshold depends on how much you want to engage with the crafting system.
winged whale
Right now I'm scared to even touch the crafting system, for fear of making a dumb choice and wasting tons of resources. But once I find the right evis that'll change.
ripe quest
I personally aim for 75%+ on Pen but you'll be fine w/ a 70%. Can be a bit weapon based too.
winged whale
it'll be the MK II heavy evis, it's my favorite for aesthetics. It doing well against chaff is nice too.
vocal pulsar
it'll be the MK II heavy evis, it's my favorite for aesthetics. It doing well ag...
i have a near god rolled mk2 evis
ill post it
winged whale
💪
Speaking of loadouts, I like the evis and a bolter. I'm pretttty sure the meta says not to do that, though, right? Since your ability to take out ranged specials would suffer.
It's just so fun though, and occasionally quite useful.
vocal pulsar
Speaking of loadouts, I like the evis and a bolter. I'm pretttty sure the meta s...
bolter is good
ripe quest
Evis + Boltgun isn't the worst by any means. Zealot can make a lot of things work.
vocal pulsar
it just hard to use
winged whale
Mm. Can you elaborate on what you mean by hard to use? Do you mean like, hard to snipe specials at distance, or are you referring to close range stuff?
vocal pulsar
there is a long draw/equip animation
ivory marlin
winged whale
I rolled a bolter the other day with, IIRC, 11 percent reload speed.
vocal pulsar
the bolter has alot of spray when you are being supressed
fading vale
suppression, recoil, sights not lining up with target, slowness
frosty herald
if i could change 1 thing about bolter
i would remove the ads and make the bolter have the braced aiming
fading vale
if I could change 2 things about the game it would be delete player suppression and stagger (for the most part)
frosty herald
josho i will flay you
winged whale
Braced aiming would certainly make sense, but aiming down the sights of something the size of a minifridge is very funny.
frosty herald
it sucks so much
i shoot and the recoil is so band you cant see where your next shot will land
i dont want to be patient i want to shoot
winged whale
I play on uh... I forget what hte game calls it now, but it's the 4th bar setting?
vocal pulsar
heresy
obtuse stirrup
I play on uh... I forget what hte game calls it now, but it's the 4th bar settin...
Heresy!
winged whale
Eventually I'll work my way up but for the time being I've found that I never really need to use the bolter outside of stuff that's huge, or stuff that's close.
I played with the throwing knife thing for a bit but needed it so rarely that I usually forgot it was even there.
vocal pulsar
heresy has lower enemy density
frosty herald
hitting a throwing knife on a sniper is always satisfying
fading vale
just wait until you play auric damnation which would have far more enemies
royal vortex
tknives are particularly good with bolter because it gives you an option for taking out a couple targets at a time at range w/o having to swap
obtuse stirrup
BTW go for Damnation
lofty shell
High intensity shock troop will give you the tendinitis you want
split ibex
tknives are particularly good with bolter because it gives you an option for tak...
It also cancels most of the swap animation
winged whale
Hopefully the MKII evis will leave me with less tendinitis. I noticed playing uh... crap what's the class called... The shooter guy - I haven't played him since nearly launch, but I remember feeling like that class played hell on my wrist.
lofty shell
Playing as much combat knife as I do it's basically guranteed for me lol
only a matter of time
winged whale
Veteran, that's it
obtuse stirrup
Hopefully the MKII evis will leave me with less tendinitis. I noticed playing uh...
Let me guess. Fast firing single shot lasgun?
ripe quest
a LOT of recoil
It's actually pretty tame as of the last Boltgun change.
winged whale
Yup.
ripe quest
On Zealot it's super nice and on Vet you can make it a laser.
obtuse stirrup
Because I tried a mark IV back when they were shit and it was murder on the wrist
winged whale
I liked that particular lasgun aside from the wrist issue.
obtuse stirrup
I refuse to touch it now lol
ripe quest
I use mods to triumph over that game design choice
obtuse stirrup
Try something like the generic plasma gun + power sword combo
Easy on the wrists
Easy on the game
winged whale
I use mods to triumph over that game design choice
Oh? How so?
lofty shell
I feel like if I use mods to change gameplay aspects such as attack animations its just to much
obtuse stirrup
Go up to Auric Maelstrom with it without knowing wtf you are doing because it's so strong lol
obtuse stirrup
Oh? How so?
You can get an auto fire mod
obtuse stirrup
Don't consider it cheating, it doesn't actually improve the gun's performance
frosty herald
auric maelstrom is another beast
obtuse stirrup
auric maelstrom is another beast
Depends on the specific modifiers tbh
frosty herald
even with the best setup in the game you wont finish it by bullshitting your way through
obtuse stirrup
And the mood the director is in
lofty shell
What is it about this game that I can't replace it with any other shooter anymore.
fading vale
it's an autoclicker which is a bit dumb to need on something
lofty shell
autoclicker mod is def not needed. I'm sure it helps though lol
obtuse stirrup
Which is how ogryn count I think?
fading vale
I can't respect anyone running autoclicker on a caxe, true degen behavior
lofty shell
Ya if your not getting critical muscle damage like the rest of us your doing it wrong 😠
solar gorge
how old do you have to be to get muscle damage clicking
nimble fiber
I agree (with the y typing red thingy with legs and a hat)
fading vale
no the problem is the caxe being designed to be better than everything by spamming lights
solar gorge
I'm in my early 20's
winged whale
Give it a few more years.
lofty shell
lusty turtle
I'm in my early 20's
its too late for you, you will wake up tomorrow with achey knees
winged whale
I tried switching my sleep schedule recently, like I did so easily in my early 20's, and holy shit it is killing me.
fading vale
I do have issues with wrist, but I got tendinitis/injury from playing disc golf first
obtuse stirrup
no the problem is the caxe being designed to be better than everything by spammi...
Heavy for Crushers at least :D
lofty shell
I quit league of legends 7 years ago and that took quite the strain off my hands
and my brain
winged whale
I remember when league came out. I was pissed because all my friends switched off HL deathmatch and CSS to play it.
lofty shell
The amount of money I spent on that game ...
Its just sad to think about nowadays lmfao
winged whale
RIP.
Anyway, so, what do I do if I want to grab/build a good MK II evis? Just play Brunt's gacha simulator with all my money until something good pops out, and then play Hadron's gacha simulator with blessings and perks?
frosty herald
how old do you have to be to get muscle damage clicking
i had a strain on my wrist for a solid 3 weeks because i got the 10k clicks in paradigm legit
solar gorge
lofty shell
Anyway, so, what do I do if I want to grab/build a good MK II evis? Just play Br...
I think you answered your own question lol
winged whale
So that is the way then? Damn.
What's the deal with random drops/high level items in Melk's store? They're usually just kind of lackluster?
obtuse stirrup
Sometimes he has The Good Shit even
Same as any other source tbh
Just check every day on his limited time acquisitions
Ignore mystery acquisitions, it's a trap
A heretical waste of melkbux
But his main use is to try to get blessings
That said the twatwaffle hasn't given me power Cycler 4 at any time i could afford it for over a year
I was 30 points away once
fading vale
Anyway, so, what do I do if I want to grab/build a good MK II evis? Just play Br...
yes
I have ordos on all my curios
for this reason
opaque island
steam maintenance, i was in the middle of a run
fading vale
in heckdivers I assume
opaque island
ye
fading vale
this is also why I'm here
opaque island
me and some chinese guy were runnign to extract
fading vale
I was pogging it up with stan
winged whale
I have ordos on all my curios
I haven't messed with the game enough to know what that means. What are ordos?
fading vale
money
opaque island
dockets money, moolah dollah dollah bills yall
winged whale
Ah
I didn't know that was a thing even. Curios that print money I mean.
Is it just a percentage boost thing?
opaque island
so if all 3 have it thats 30% more dockets on higher tier missions thats alot monny
fading vale
I do all toughness/toughness/gunner/ordos
opaque island
gunners fuckin suck
obtuse stirrup
Gunners are the one enemy type that sometimes just pummels you
ripe quest
steam maintenance, i was in the middle of a run
Same, thankfully I accidentally brought the wrong loadout so I have an excuse to fix it now.
obtuse stirrup
And you can't do anything about it immediately
vocal pulsar
gunner resist is universally useful
sniper resist is okay, but how often do you get sniped really? i get sniped once, maybe 1 in 5 games
ripe quest
Pro Tip: Do not try to pepper a Charger mission with only lightweight anti-infantry stratagems.
vocal pulsar
anyone who says gunner resist is meh has no idea what they're talking about
ripe quest
Shit doesn't work
obtuse stirrup
Sniper resist ones scale inversely with experience in the game
ripe quest
Though it's funny to see a full wave of bullets bounce upwards
vocal pulsar
you get shot to hell a few times every mission
obtuse stirrup
I think that if your dodge game is your weakness it can shore that up
But gunners will shoot you every game
opaque island
Though it's funny to see a full wave of bullets bounce upwards
so far chargers are my least favorite bug, followed very closely by spitters, hardest ive gone is hard diff though
obtuse stirrup
The strongest thing the heretics have is area denial, generally
You only really die when you get pinned
sharp zodiac
That was easy
obtuse stirrup
Gunners do that hardest
ripe quest
so far chargers are my least favorite bug, followed very closely by spitters, ha...
So far I've just been rocketing them and using a jump pack depending on my team's loadout
A single rocket from an RR will strip their armor and you can just shoot the Charger right in the body.
The orbital big-boys will also kill them.
opaque island
strange when ive shot the blown off parts of their armor it still pings off
spare dome
My actual least favourite bug is whichever that medium sized armoured one is called
ripe quest
The hitboxes seem a tad bit wonky near the head
ripe quest
I just shoot the leg area on one side and shotgun them
spare dome
they're just on the precipice of annoyance for me lol
vocal pulsar
i really like the machine gun
so the bug i hate the most is charger
because it just eats the bullets
even when shot in the ass
ripe quest
My actual least favourite bug is whichever that medium sized armoured one is cal...
They're really funny because you can use them to quickly determine if you have anti-armor. The base machine gun and the GL will ruin them with decent ammo economy, Autocannon seems to take like, a full clip sometimes.
I've just been saving grenades for them
frosty herald
flamethrower tiem
spare dome
but man
it sucks to waste an AT anything on them
but thats just kinda what it is
theyre the perfect annoyance, lmao
i definitely take gratuitous pleasure out of machine gunning them when i bring it
ripe quest
flamethrower tiem
Sometimes if you get them while they're not fully blocking an SMG or Shotgun will kill them
oop wrong reply
opaque island
this game really makes you feel like a starship troo...i mean helldiver
frosty herald
today i will nuke a single bug
opaque island
the ICBM missions are my fave, they did the nuke good
should i feel bad about talking about another game in this games discord?
ripe quest
frosty herald
no
winged whale
Nice avatar.
ripe quest
It's fine because it's Zealot chat
sharp zodiac
Zel chat can be considered a 50/50 on topic and off
south folio
best chat
south folio
that's soooooo true
nimble fiber
arco u silly goose
rain steppe
Ypu know I don't regret putting my psyker days aside
south folio
noooooooo way
i'm going to stab you
i too am a psyker migrant
though i migrated to vet instead of zealot
stone fern
i got this x3
damn nice where did you get them from?
rain steppe
I was a psyker from the beginning then tried zealot and God I enjoy it so much more
stone fern
started zealot then leveled psyker then everyone else
so far my other chars only exist as melkbucks farms and i just buy any cool greys i find in the store for them
ivory marlin
I think level wise psyker is 30 ogryn 28 vet 5 zealot 1
rain steppe
Level wise mine are psyker 30 zealot 30 ogryn 22 and vet 7
south folio
i was promised cookies for playing psyker and didn't get any
nimble fiber
but nah fr tho arco u silly goose
south folio
i initially played vet but then swapped to psyker because of my paranoia about ammo
"oh boy what if teammates shlerped up all da ammo"
and that was when i did not realize the stupidity that was survivalist or just how much ammo existed (and how unwilling pubs are to loot)
stone fern
using heretic ammo is very risky...
nimble fiber
I couldn't migrate because of the ammo economy pbr only if I had a survivalist vet on my team otherwise nah
stone fern
ammo isnt that bad once you get to level 30 and stop getting 100 rating weapons with 10% ammo you almost never run out
unless you play melee maelstrom
south folio
yeah and it was also when i wasn't yet comfortable with melee
although that was also back when psword had infinite cleave and 3 activations by default
so i didn't need to learn melee anyways
stone fern
i need to actually learn melee at some point and rebind dodge instead of bunny hopping and spamming light attacks
it actually works until you go above t4 high inten
south folio
i know to melee but a lot of melee weapons don't really require combos or thought so I very rarely subscribe to the brain-on playstyle
rebinding dodge/jump will prob be the biggest help for you
stone fern
you need an illisi then
vocal pulsar
damn nice where did you get them from?
idk
nimble fiber
u speaking to arco the silly goose over here
vocal pulsar
1.8k hours
stone fern
yeah but my keyboard is tiny
vocal pulsar
got lucky eventually
stone fern
1.8k hours
i got some good ones from store camping
vocal pulsar
asked
south folio
is there an option to disable left/right/backwards jumping?
south folio
so guess what
i declare your existence illegal and invalid
stone fern
is there an option to disable left/right/backwards jumping?
the dodge options in input?
nimble fiber
we need mankar and arco rap battle fr
stone fern
prolly best advice i got here was enabling some of them
south folio
i figure that jumping when you want to dodge is such a common complaint that fatshark has had to have implemented an option to disable non-forward jumping
...right?
nimble fiber
maybe?
frosty herald
mankar so toxic...
nimble fiber
i figure that jumping when you want to dodge is such a common complaint that fat...
I know there is an option that u dodge backwards instead of jumping without directional input
south folio
wow god i hate the default jump + dodge on the same key
pressing too early during a dodge makes you jump
god why
visual stream
I like the jump out of dodge mechanic but it's SO easy to trigger on ogryn that's very frustrating
south folio
man is there really no "disable non-forward dodges" option wtf
nimble fiber
sad times
nimble fiber
ripe quest
found it https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/249
arco fill me in, why are we complaining about the jump + dodge button when you can just make them different buttons
south folio
for psychopaths who are resistant to splitting the binds up
(e.g., josho)
he's now a now reformed man now
coarse birch
Vaulting
nimble fiber
he's now a now reformed man now
arco proving more and more that he is in fact a silly goose
steel agate
i spam jump to try to negate barrel flame damage
coarse birch
Ill jump and throw assail to get over stuff easier sometimes
south folio
arco proving more and more that he is in fact a silly goose
i am now growing scared of what you mean by "silly goose"
bitter anvil
You are a silly goose goose
nimble fiber
now thats too much goose
south folio
@coarse birch no.
coarse birch
Fuck u
This is the worst thing you've done to me
Even waiting till I was almost done
south folio
i only tabbed back in at that time
coarse birch
Binch
south folio
did the goose make you think of bread
coarse birch
Do geese have anything to do with bread
nimble fiber
bread
coarse birch
Guess you could throw them bread
south folio
people feeding bread to birds i suppose
bitter anvil
:3
polar nexus
No worries at all, the difference is so minor that the video's info is still sol...
that made me wonder if attack speed nodes and buffs can break some weapons (like taxe 7) and make them less effective or just not work at all
frank night
arcotash is challenged by animals
nimble fiber
I prefer birds feeding bread to people
frank night
i will leak a dm
vocal pulsar
josho does challenge him
south folio
so true
bitter anvil
I prefer birds feeding bread to people
France 1787
south folio
i agree
polar nexus
AINL
coarse birch
Even I wouldn't leak arco dms
vocal pulsar
arco is from california, and thus not aligned with NATO
south folio
wha
coarse birch
Lesking dms is simply a low blow
polar nexus
Arco is not from Cuba?
vocal pulsar
that is (sadly) in america
could you source this claim?
coarse birch
Unintentional
nimble fiber
xD
south folio
mittins, you have no right to exist
south folio
i'm 5'8"
polar nexus
wimpy
frank night
he is known as the roomba for multiple reasons
south folio
he is known as the roomba for multiple reasons
no for one reason and one reason only
polar nexus
roombarco?
coarse birch
Roomba ass height
bitter anvil
Shortrican
south folio
there are no multiple reasons of which one involves a similar physical dimension
vocal pulsar
Arco are you feeling ok
he is not okay
but in a way, he is okay, because he is just permanetly like that
south folio
you're right it should've just been -es instead of -ing
vocal pulsar
beyond saving
bitter anvil
Ogryn gate
south folio
a merciful person you are to so whimsically declare a person to be beyond saving
ripe quest
that made me wonder if attack speed nodes and buffs can break some weapons (like...
I'm doubtful, but it's possible attack speed would make bc combos less viable.
frosty herald
isnt there a point where you have so much attack speed you skip attacks
south folio
that was no whimsical declaration
vocal pulsar
quite rude
south folio
it was a decision evaluating who you are and what you've done
frank night
geese are highly hostile
south folio
a hardfelt decision that came to the aforementioned ultimatum
frank night
are you sure you are not a goose
vocal pulsar
in this house, mittins is a hero, end of story
nimble fiber
south folio
you are insultful
frank night
thank u we will hug in helldivers
vocal pulsar
yes
south folio
no
nimble fiber
vocal pulsar
stfu helldiver-less shitspawn
south folio
i will not be perceived as a goose
nimble fiber
oh damn didn't know arco could play the drum
south folio
you will die
south folio
i'm tbagging you for every future instance that you go down
north sedge
polar nexus
isnt there a point where you have so much attack speed you skip attacks
that would not be cool
and i'd like to know if x% attack speed is really x%, like how is it implemented
coarse birch
Arco being a goose makes too much sense
bitter anvil
Yes he’s a bird
nimble fiber
south folio
what sense does it make
ripe quest
isnt there a point where you have so much attack speed you skip attacks
Certain weapons won't be able to show the full animation but you won't skip attacks.
frank night
hostile, territorial
frosty herald
I see
south folio
an appropriate defensive response to the creatures that attack
ripe quest
Well, theoretically if you get enough attack speed you'll go through attacks faster than the hit window can pop up but idk if that can happen with the current build environment.
south folio
also turns out that ranged i-frames during sprinting seem to apply in all directions except a frontal cone, instead of being in just the perpendicular cones
i don't think it was this way before unless i just didn't test running away
frank night
hyperfocused (like a goose)
south folio
die
frank night
(aggression)
ripe quest
You could always do it in all directions except for that forward facing cone