zealot-class

[shadow ember]

So you're saying

I need 80 mobility

Or I'm leaving speed on the table

[south folio]

opposite

[little thicket]

Nah im saying that mobility modifer isnt very relevant number wise for high movement speed.

[south folio]

since mobility on weapons gives like +0.45 sprint speed max typically

but your base sprint speed as zealot is 5.2 anyways

[shadow ember]

I get your saying it isn't much

But you have to understand

I'm after fastest zealot mechanically possible

Everything else is secondary

Speed stims were great

[junior vortex]

Speed is important in team based games I think you guys are really underestimating it.

[fleet zealot]

i'm not

[south folio]

i think i'm appropriately rating speed

[fleet zealot]

it's great for lower diffs/speedruns

and occassionally some clutch saves

[south folio]

it's nice to have speed esp when you reach the breakpoint for outrunning chaff

[little thicket]

I dont think most people should be allowed to have speed.

[south folio]

but it's also pretty whatevs cuz a lot of fights take place in one spot

[shadow ember]

Enough speed turns your knife into a ranged weapon

[fleet zealot]

but in auric, enemies are constantly running at me

[little thicket]

There should be speed limits in place.

[fleet zealot]

and I'm not going to run away like some coward while the god emperor watches

[shadow ember]

The power of " be over there now" is extreme

[fleet zealot]

they are gonna catch a headful of crusher

[shadow ember]

Let alone walking dodges

[fleet zealot]

that's what chastise is for

[shadow ember]

Oh no listen

[fleet zealot]

and what 360 block mechanic is for

[shadow ember]

As obstinate as I am

I have no love for speed run aggro drop zealots

I want the max speed so I can run towards the heresy or back to coherency

I don't know how you have the blood thirst to play zealot and also run past alive enemies

[fleet zealot]

I am the coherency if my team wants my toughness DR they better stick with me

and the red sea I'm making with green paint

[little thicket]

One of my friends yesterday in the game spent near entire sessions being a dumb knife zealot.

Actual pain.

[fleet zealot]

had a knife zealot a few weeks ago

saw a crusher elite pack adna chaos spawn

stealthed and ran away to go pick up crafting mats

[rose flower]

I love having the speed because a Trapper will miss. Run away. And I’ll be sprinting behind them and closing in like “NO”

[sour oxide]

lol don't give us as a bad name

[shadow ember]

And he went to backstab and kill for the emperor

Right?

[fleet zealot]

no

[shadow ember]

Nothing beats knife heavying a sniper

[fleet zealot]

eventually he made it back but as soon as he got stealth again he ran past and started going further in the level

[rose flower]

Knife Zealots are just your average British man hats why no one likes them

[fleet zealot]

and then he was the alst one alive cause I got downed trying to pick up our 2 vets

[sour oxide]

I like the silent delayed dagger throw to kill a special far far away

[shadow ember]

Real talk

[fleet zealot]

and he just ate one crusher overhead cause he panic wasted all his dodges

[shadow ember]

If tac axe hit knife sprint speeds I'd take it more often

[fleet zealot]

if the taxe didn't suck ass

[shadow ember]

But he's a knife zealot

[fleet zealot]

it would be taken more often

[shadow ember]

With shroud

[little thicket]

It probably does.

[rose flower]

Bro if Taxe had that speed I would ALWAYS take it

[fleet zealot]

you do realize

[shadow ember]

He can JUST kill the crusher

[fleet zealot]

meme/subpar builds

attract the worst players

[fleet zealot]

I don't even think he had uncanny

[shadow ember]

But he can just 1 shot a crusher no memes needed

[fleet zealot]

i need to get that scoreboard extension mod

so I can see loadouts

[shadow ember]

I can do it and I take bloodletter

[sour oxide]

what is a meme/subpar build? dagger?

[fleet zealot]

BLOODLETTER IS A CHAIN WEAPON BLESSING

[shadow ember]

Feh

[fleet zealot]

bleed dagger, basically anything that isn't uncanny+ executor, precogntion, or maybe if you wanna have fun flesh tearer or riposte

[sour oxide]

yeah I run uncanny and riposte but I am momentum

[fleet zealot]

he wasn't in stealth, he just popped out of it

[sour oxide]

I dont understand bleed zealots lliterally get almost no return on your bleed

[fleet zealot]

momentum is alright but honestly knife uses blazing piety really well

[shadow ember]

Cough "just take plasma" cough

Pinning fire smg or meming

[fleet zealot]

cough cough shove it

sick ass got that virus

[sour oxide]

Blazing PIety I would rather use a evis

[fleet zealot]

you don't need to run top of the top meta

[sour oxide]

Because all your attacks will swing through most mobs.

[shadow ember]

I agree

[rose flower]

For real though because you mentioned it. If Tac Axe had knife speed I would be running that 24/7

[fleet zealot]

i can't with yall

goodnight

speed freaks

[little thicket]

It probably does.

[fleet zealot]

attack speed>>>>> movement speed

fight me

i'll win

cause chastise locks on through stealth (idk if it does)

[shadow ember]

Ogryn chat is right over there

[fleet zealot]

ogryn chat is too bigoted in my experience /joke

[sour oxide]

lol attack speed + weapon with high top end. yes its savage

[shadow ember]

Now listen

I'm also an attack speed junkie

But that's different

[fleet zealot]

attack speed on crusher makes it insane

[shadow ember]

That's heavy sword shit

[fleet zealot]

i feel like a grandmaster at arms

[rose flower]

I just like running enemies down and getting up close and personal. Guns are overrated

[fair igloo]

If u think about it the faster your movement speed the faster you can move your arms therefore faster attacks >:)

[fleet zealot]

beating people to death with a lamp post and it works

[shadow ember]

High speed live leak bat

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/jax-gif-22463336

we should get a fire crusher

variant

[shadow ember]

^

Nah

I want a blue crusher

Light crusher gang

[fleet zealot]

but

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-hedgehog-real-fato-gif-22080036

[fleet zealot]

ours is blue

[shadow ember]

It is?

[sour oxide]

imo I think shroud needs a little nerf. make dogs smell you or something

[fleet zealot]

it turns blue when you activate it

shroud won't get nerfs cause chastise is just better consistency

[rose flower]

Didn’t even know knife could get Haymaker

[shadow ember]

Make it so certain elites can see you but add 40% ms

The stealth is a side effect as far as I'm concerned

[sour oxide]

if you use shroud like a vanilla rogue to setup other attacks its savage

[fleet zealot]

chastise with any one of the two good cdr talents and you have a massive perma buff, amazing mobility, toughness regen on a button, and an instant body check stagger up to crushers/below mutants

[sour oxide]

but yeah if you pop it to go run off and collect mats ill let you die on the ground ngl

[shadow ember]

I like to pop it so things turn and then backstab my way to the team

[fleet zealot]

oh and chastise gives armor pen to ranged attacks

[shadow ember]

I'm just saying

[fleet zealot]

letting you mow down crushers with guns that shouldn't mow down crushers

[sour oxide]

I am not sure if it does anymore we used to pop it before running a flamer but flamers are fun sponges

[shadow ember]

If you have a knife zealot with shroud there should never be a teammate fighting alone

Because you can and should get to them

[fleet zealot]

you burn till 16 stacks then press chastise and keep burnin

you are combining a selfish build with a unselfish playstyle

[sour oxide]

@fire2222222222222222222222tr

[fleet zealot]

i respect it

but, no that's not what most knife zealots do

[shadow ember]

Yeah....

[fleet zealot]

most knife zealots are in timbuktoo

[shadow ember]

I may be a speed junkie

[fleet zealot]

in a corner

[shadow ember]

But I am NOT a fan of the metric knife zewot

[fleet zealot]

waiting for their lacerate flesh tearer knife to kill the endlessly respawning horde

[sour oxide]

heh I ping pong between teammates during a fight

[fleet zealot]

I am the frontline

[sour oxide]

whoever needs a little love

or intercept disablers

[fleet zealot]

my crusher keeps the 180* in front of me safe for my team

[shadow ember]

If I can be everywhere In a few secs you can bet you all over the place

[ember yew]

The main problem with PUG knife zealot is that 6 out of 10 go and die somewhere far away (or get CC'ed and die), 3 out of 10 do really low/subpar damage to be something serious and only one is somewhat capable of doing things right

that's when you get knife zealot memes

[shadow ember]

You know what grinds my gears

Knife zealots who don't loot

What, do they expect the ogryn to do it?

[sour oxide]

lol I have 800k plasteel sorry but looting isn't high on my list =X

[ember yew]

[shadow ember]

And that's why you don't win the scoreboard

[sour oxide]

I win the score board a lot tbh

[shadow ember]

Everyone knows the only stat that matters in. The end is most plasteel

[sour oxide]

but I don't ram it down everyones throat like some tools

[shadow ember]

So you DO loot

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/money-is-a-very-strong-motive-charles-haden-savage-steve-martin-only-murders-in-the-building-s209-gif-26546510

[shadow ember]

Every other stat is too subject.to build and class

Plasteel is where we are equal

It's just that, yknow

Zealots are more equal

As is proper

[ember yew]

faster bird get the plasteel

[sour oxide]

yeah I guess I do this was my last run last night but I normally get my points from special kills

[ember yew]

this is high damage for a pug

[shadow ember]

Most plasteel

[fair igloo]

i'm more surprised to see that u have offense and total score on :o

[shadow ember]

Winner

[sour oxide]

I only play quick play I have no frens

[ember yew]

oh damn

[shadow ember]

Who needs friends

[ember yew]

im rich too

[shadow ember]

We have the dt community

[sour oxide]

lol true

whats the cap on plasteel

isn't it 1 m?

[shadow ember]

I used to wonder what the fastest ogryn build was

But that's not nearly as interesting a question

[sour oxide]

I have ran into some that are faster than me out of the gate as a knife zealot

I have no idea how but damn big man could move

[ember yew]

if its 999.999 time to ask fatshark to bump it to 9.999.999

[shadow ember]

I feel like I should say

Because I always leave out

[ember yew]

should be done within like 2 minutes

[shadow ember]

My speed zealot runs with a fuck load of sprint efficiency

[ember yew]

report the rusher

[shadow ember]

I abuse that sprint dodge talent like a mother fucker

[sour oxide]

I am all stam.

stam is the wonder stat

[shadow ember]

Based

[fleet zealot]

but

but

do you READ

[shadow ember]

Stam peril block psykers

[fleet zealot]

read motherfucker read

[shadow ember]

Not giving anything related to a shit

[fleet zealot]

the sprint dodge talent just extends the mechanic that already exists

[shadow ember]

10% faster sprint?

Yeah it's great

[fleet zealot]

like yea for your case the speed increase is good but it doesn't give you more sprint dodges above 0 stam

[shadow ember]

Mandatory even

[fleet zealot]

it only extends sprint dodging mechanic at 0 stam

so sprint efficiency is just wasting that part of the talent

[shadow ember]

Really?

[fleet zealot]

yes

[sour oxide]

?

[shadow ember]

Even if

Does it count regularly?

[fleet zealot]

you dodge while sprinting as normal based on speed and angle

[shadow ember]

Hum

[fleet zealot]

this stops at 0 stam

[shadow ember]

Neat

[fleet zealot]

unless you have the talent

[shadow ember]

I can't get rid of it because speed

[sour oxide]

the worst is 0 stam and getting hit by anything and your guy staggers for like 4 steps

[fleet zealot]

you still need to watch your angle vs shooters

[shadow ember]

But I'm not gonna lie

I want the extra point for rising fury

[fleet zealot]

yes i'm not saying to get off of it but i need to clarify that mechanic or my brain won't let me sleep

https://tenor.com/view/wideawake-cant-sleep-anime-gif-20245361

[shadow ember]

I love my build and I don't NEED the best perks

But compared to where I stared my tree is def anorexic

[fleet zealot]

IT"S not about best

it's just about

understanding

the mechanics

[shadow ember]

I had to shave a decent amount of perks I like for speed

[sour oxide]

I just made my build on release, changed a few things but never looked at anyone elses. Just keep doing me 😄

[fleet zealot]

so you don't spread false information

play what you want

[shadow ember]

Refining steps are the key to a great build

Imo

[sour oxide]

agreed

I think my last tweak was getting rid of holy rev

[shadow ember]

I've been trying to come up with a zealot build that leans into the flamer as hard as.i can

But that's basically " take flamer"

[sour oxide]

playing like an OG zealot @ 1hp

[shadow ember]

Maybe middle tree some shit

God

Og heavy sword headtaker zealot

[sour oxide]

one of these days ill finish my momentum zealot guide

and everyone can sht on it

[shadow ember]

Heavy sword momentum fucks

[sour oxide]

where they found a turkish sword 40k years later who knowsd

[shadow ember]

Add in charge attack speed and you can lawnmower almost anyhing

That's for sure my "throw myself into situations no one.but the ogryn could.maybe survive" setup

[sour oxide]

I call it the "im not locked in here with you, youre locked in here with me" style of play

[shadow ember]

Everyone is dead is my durability perk

The horde music is for me not you

[sour oxide]

this

[shadow ember]

Did they fix ambushes yet btw?

[sour oxide]

ambushes?

[shadow ember]

They made it so the music didn't play during multi side ambushes

[sour oxide]

ohh I dunno tbh

[shadow ember]

So it would be easier to hear specials

It seems like everyone hates the change

[sour oxide]

I just liike the guy who yells "WHOSE IN THE SHADOWS"

[shadow ember]

"So many... So be it.'

[sour oxide]

hmm not many playing tonight it seems

[sturdy owl]

This is a great knife, right guys?

[royal vortex]

need to swap crit chance to crit damage of course

[sturdy owl]

Of course

[coarse birch]

oh man he is cooking

@royal vortex look wtf arco is running

[maiden path]

peetah

da emperorr said quagmire was a heretic

peeetah

joe joined the traitro guardss

still hope someone makes a mod or something that adds traitor guardsmen armor

i wanna wear all that gold and red armor

[royal vortex]

tertium's finest

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-2-helldivers-surprised-shocked-scared-gif-14616193401603705407

[sour oxide]

get rid of that antisynergy lacerate and yes

[sturdy owl]

Think you need a bit more than just lacerate gone

[ember yew]

yes, its missing flesh tearer

with this bricked thing cant create pugs favorite flashtearer lacerate knife

[coarse birch]

so the build like

wasnt the worst

but i was putting in like 200% effort lmao

[south folio]

you fucking bitch you ratted me out

[royal vortex]

oh my god taxe2 agri revolver

why would u use agri revolver

[coarse birch]

ok its actually not that bad

like i am getting use out of it

[royal vortex]

u could get use out of pre patch 13 graia iag

i hate that gun

[coarse birch]

i wanted to make a joke

[royal vortex]

it is the opposite of fun to use for me

[coarse birch]

i do get suppressed sometimes and cant hit the thing 2 feet in front of me

but i cant like tell when im suppressed that well

[royal vortex]

me playing bolter vet without suppression immunity

when any ranged enemy exists with exe stance on cooldown

[coarse birch]

i just assume i am when i am being shot at

but deimos/agri was doing well

taxe/agri also did fine but idk if i can call it good

when compared to actual good builds

[lunar vector]

I love the bolter as a zealot, wear heavy armor and I almost feel like a sister of battle

[royal vortex]

run taxe7 with recon 2

only use lights so u can maximize the fucked up light hitbox

[coarse birch]

i got a really good 4 from the emp

but its like

[sour oxide]

yup I like to strap on my highest of heels and go into battle feeling like a queen

[coarse birch]

the worst moveset ive ever seen

[royal vortex]

lmao

[coarse birch]

i can even use BM

[royal vortex]

dude if u were BMmaxing before p13 taxe4 was actually the best

[coarse birch]

cause the heavies are strikedown into uppercut

[royal vortex]

because all the taxes had/have identical heavy profiles

and light profiles

and all the lights had uncapped damage

[sour oxide]

taxe doesn't have same lights =X

I only can use mk7 because of it

[coarse birch]

do the other 2 have any redeeming qualities

or is it just mk2

[royal vortex]

the mk2 has the best animations

and the damage profiles are the same as the other 2 for heavies

[sour oxide]

thems fighting words

[royal vortex]

there's 2 different light damage profiles but theyre so very slightly different theyre practically the same with 1.5 cleave of difference

weird weapons

[coarse birch]

can the other 2 even proc bm

or do they have the bad heavies for it

[royal vortex]

not very easily

[coarse birch]

id imagine that the lights cant proc it

[royal vortex]

the 4 probs cant under normal circumstances

[coarse birch]

maybe PA

idk

[royal vortex]

the 7 maybe

[sour oxide]

7 can easily its all over the top

[coarse birch]

i can do some 7 testing

[royal vortex]

you can do h1-pa on the 7 at least

[sour oxide]

tac axe feels so clunky now after playing dagger for so long

[coarse birch]

ok

let me try and make one

[royal vortex]

dear god

[coarse birch]

im guessing its like the 2 where you need crits to proc/one shot some stuff

[royal vortex]

yea

[coarse birch]

ie shred/BM

[royal vortex]

they have identical damage profiles

like open wartide

[coarse birch]

oh ok

[royal vortex]

and get depressed

[worn gate]

is this a god role?

[royal vortex]

of course

[coarse birch]

i did not have the plasteel funds to make a good one

because i also spent a bunch on the mk2

sad days

[royal vortex]

simply have it

[coarse birch]

i keep trying to build it up

and then i end up wanting to make something

[south folio]

it's just that shrimple

[coarse birch]

and it costs me all my shit

[royal vortex]

oh my god

[coarse birch]

i do have more money than you

[south folio]

i just blew 1m dockets on rashads and they all are dumped in either first target or penetration

[royal vortex]

nvm

[coarse birch]

although maybe i dont want a tac axe 7 that bad

[royal vortex]

f

[royal vortex]

i just spent a bunch on bolters

[coarse birch]

and i just spent a bunch on taxes and agri revos?

outplaye d

[royal vortex]

[coarse birch]

also josho you should join

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/schitts-creek-david-rose-unlikely-probably-not-yeah-no-gif-19728909

[royal vortex]

im eating

maybe in a bit

[coarse birch]

who designed ranged knockback

i need names

[royal vortex]

me

[coarse birch]

die

[royal vortex]

mald

[coarse birch]

i hope your pillow is wet when you go to bed tonight

[royal vortex]

curse of 7 reapers upon you

[coarse birch]

it was one fuckin shotgunner

[onyx saddle]

is benediction, 15% toughess damage reduction aura, multiplicative or addiive with the damge reduciton nodes?

[coarse birch]

who pushed me off a ledge into a burster

into a trapper

[royal vortex]

lmao

[coarse birch]

and i fuckin died

[royal vortex]

u get what u deserve

[sour oxide]

passed around between the whole crew =X

[zinc talon]

flatly additive I believe

as well as with other cohesion auras like mine

it's all just a +%

but damage reduction is both toughness and health

toughness damage is just the one

[ripe quest]

Different sources are multiplied together. So with benediction it'd be 0.85 * product of other tdr nodes

There's a tad of nuance though. Tdr stat nodes themselves check to see how many you have then give a sum, so 3x would be 15% instead of .95^3

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/math-calculator-kid-gif-25353969

did I speak correctly about the endd result that gets plugged into the nerdmath

[hushed bear]

is stub revolver hand cannon still affecting all weapons/abilities?

[zinc talon]

it's as though each 10% node or whatever is added together and that's your final mitigation

[fading vale]

no

[zinc talon]

pretty standard Codie batshit hour behavior

[fading vale]

yeah all the minor nodes are additive, so ogryn can get a base 66% TDR with 3 nodes

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-wut-what-hawkeye-obcrack-hawkeye-gif-25750464

[coarse birch]

i love ogryn

[fading vale]

I think they are the only ones that can tank snipers with pure toughness

[calm salmon]

they do need a bunch of other stuff though:

3x Sniper Resist on curios, Feel No Pain, and some amount of stacks of bleed DR on top. Otherwise they still take chip damage through toughness, though considering their HP pool even with a full toughness build, it may as well not matter outside of the zeroed toughness.

Other than that, veteran with full gold toughness, or anyone really.

[fading vale]

@royal vortex what do you run to tank snipers

cause IIRC you would just face tank snipers with like no setup and just toughness

[calm salmon]

snipers do what, 1250 damage?

[fading vale]

yeah

[calm salmon]

that's down to 825 immediately

from ogryn's passives, and the three TDR nodes

sorry, 425?

I cannae math

You can get ~220 toughness with curios

So you still need some additional TDR on top to get the 425 below whatever your toughness pool is.

[fading vale]

right

[calm salmon]

its 20% on curios, for damage resistances?

so 425 x .2 x .2 x .2 for 3x sniper

[fair igloo]

I think alot of ppl notice ogryns tanking sniper shots when they're being revived by one so don't forget to add in won't give in!!

[fading vale]

I specifically remember cause josho would just tank multiple snipers per game, take no damage, and shout about OGRYN TOUGHNESS BAD

[calm salmon]

this gets you to 217 damage

[fading vale]

idk how many sniper resists he had

[calm salmon]

So 66% TDR, + 60% Sniper resist is 217 damage done

[fading vale]

plus he probably also had my benediction aura and maybe FNP

[calm salmon]

But yeah, JUST 3x 20% sniper resist and ogryn's passives on 3x 17% toughness curios allows you to facetank a sniper

before any other buffs like bleed DR or FNP

[fading vale]

used to be vets job to face tank snipers smh

[calm salmon]

lets assume 95 toughness from tree

50 toughness from base ogryn

• 145 toughness before curios

Lets assume 3x 17%, for a total of 219 toughness

So, with:

• 3x 17% toughness curios

• 3x 10% TDR

• 3x 20% sniper damage resistance

You can tank a sniper shot to the face and be left at 2 toughness.

217 x .25 = 162.75 damage done if you have Feel No Pain at all 10 stacks, giving you a toughness leftover of 56

[royal vortex]

that's about right yeah

[calm salmon]

yeah ogryn isn't overpowered at all

[south folio]

i think vet can but you need maximum toughness and 3x sniper res iirc

and close order drill, among other things

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/qyi8u1

this is a really dumb example

[fading vale]

lol

[royal vortex]

261 down to 81

[south folio]

alright so you have basically just an unconditional way of tanking snipers

[calm salmon]

you could halve all of ogryn's sources of TDR and he'd still be the tankiest class in the game.

[royal vortex]

even old vet you had to press F

[calm salmon]

Yeah, ogryn literally just asks that you exist

funnily enough, I regularly use this build.

And it'll get you there with the right curios

[south folio]

feel no pain my beloved

[calm salmon]

great build, much suggest. Bullrush modifiers are nice but definitely not necessary because bullrush is the best ult in the game

only overshadowed by vet shout

[fading vale]

MAKING A PATH into a single bulwark I'm about to kill

best ult

[calm salmon]

Well

randos besides

But at that point, only vet shout is good for them.

They're not gonna do much with anything else if that's their normal gameplan

[fading vale]

playing with a tauntgryn is quite funny

[calm salmon]

i love taunting a group of crushers and then throwing nuke

try again bragg - crusher x9

[fading vale]

I was able to more or less one shot a daemonhost with tauntgryn and just chastise + momentum

their damage buffs are no joke

[calm salmon]

+25% damage is nothing to scoff at

[fading vale]

there's some other debuff too right

plus the elite damage aura

er heavy damage

whatever it is exactly

[calm salmon]

+10% heavy attack damage

if the ogryn paths that way.

so +35% damage to thunder hammer right off the bat, for example.

and the TH user is gonna have 60% power from thrust

[fading vale]

I feel like there was also a debuff applied on hit from something

[calm salmon]

hopefully

negative

[royal vortex]

soften em up

[calm salmon]

Oh yeah, soften them up

ogryn has to hit them in melee though, for an additional +15% damage

so assuming all checks met: +50% heavy attack damage to everyone in coherency

if they're using heavy attacks

[fading vale]

that's a lot

[calm salmon]

ogryn really be out here

best to stick to the lad for all the stupid buffs he can give

Soften them Up and Shout aren't coherency related though, which is. . . nice or bad for the game depending on your outlook.

So even if you're not in coherency its still 25% + 15% for the ogryn taunting and smacking something once.

Even just assuming taunt and seu, that's 5500 damage for a TH user

change as necessary based on chastise the wicked, momentum and whatever other zeaot buffs may be active like +20-25% unyielding from weapon perk, 20% unyielding from talent tree blablabla

[zealous halo]

im using chainsword how does one deal with a rager? they just melt me before i can saw them

[west gate]

dodge backwards and block until they're done or your team mate kills em

¯_(ツ)_/¯

or shoot them before they get to you

[zealous halo]

i see ty

too used to ogryn

trying to push them but no stagger

[calm salmon]

shoot them

that's the answer to ragers on everyone

[west gate]

^

[calm salmon]

fatshark turned them into horde enemies

[visual stream]

If you time a revved attack well enough it staggers them while the attack kills

[calm salmon]

they have too much HP and stagger resistance to be horde enemies so melee is now suicide against them

Fix soon™️ one hopes

[fair igloo]

oh my

[zealous halo]

yeah sometimes its just behind me too and all of a sudden im 30% hp

[west gate]

honestly i like the variety in hordes, makes the game more difficult and enjoyable

[calm salmon]

that's fine, ragers are not.

They're a completely unfun enemy to fight because they can't be dodged in melee.

[west gate]

theres a sound queue whenever you're about to be hit from behind

[fair igloo]

im guessing replace thunderstrike with hammerblow and elites to carapace?

[calm salmon]

flak

i like flak/maniac on crusher

[west gate]

im convinced flak is basically the best perk on every weapon

[calm salmon]

that would be correct yes

[fair igloo]

wait so why flak over carapace?

[calm salmon]

flak/maniac goes on like 90% of weapons

because there's more flak enemies

it just goes further

[fair igloo]

well wutevs
if idon't like carapace i can always just change it to flak later

[west gate]

doesnt maniac only help you get to breakpoint on a few weapons

[calm salmon]

on every weapon*

because maniac ragers exist

its not like super duper useful for trappers and whatnot, unless you're using a headhunter

[west gate]

yeah but you shouldnt be in melee with them in the first place

[fair igloo]

oh wait, would it be better than the one i'm currently using?

[calm salmon]

but it hits BPs on basically everything for maniac ragers

[fair igloo]

i just rolled the new one on a whim

i notice the new one has a lower damage stat so idk

[west gate]

idk, i dont like putting on a perk that is essentially only active when fighting one enemy when i could be dealing more damage to a whole host of enemy types much more frequently

[calm salmon]

so close yet so far there milkman

[fair igloo]

i would do this but i always charge at crushers and maulesr and ik as soon as i take off +carapace my first thought will be "I really wish I had +25% carapace right now"

[west gate]

thats fair, im saying i would take carapace over maniac

since carpace comes into effect more often

[fair igloo]

ohh
the way u phrased ur other msg made it REALLY sound like u would rather take maniac since maniac is like 6 enemies and cara is 2

imnot very smart tho

[west gate]

maniac doesnt help hit breakpoints on most weapons i dont believe, except for ragers

[earnest cave]

Everyone is asleep in my other discord servers, how are my heretical brethren/sisteren(?) holding up?

[fair igloo]

ooh that makes sense

[fair igloo]

doing great! hope u are too :)

[earnest cave]

Yes.

Is sisteren even a word?

[calm salmon]

one day i'll have hammerblow 4

[earnest cave]

Because I'm TM it.

[calm salmon]

time to go back to the plasteel mines

[zealous basin]

https://tenor.com/view/orochimaru-reanimation-jutsu-naruto-gif-11623667

me rezzing my teammates in helldivers

[earnest cave]

I mean...sorry I have to say it but a man who TM's sisteren...nope I won't TM it. One of our sisters must TM it.

[calm salmon]

wtf does tm mean

[earnest cave]

trademark

[polar nexus]

maniac ragers are elites too fyi

[zealous basin]

trademark my balls

[earnest cave]

I mean, I can, for a price.

Always for a price.

[zealous basin]

yeah the price is u pay me $50

[west gate]

this is why im saying maniac is a dead perk

[earnest cave]

Wow that's pretty cheap, are you sure?

[zealous basin]

did i fucking stutter

[earnest cave]

Alright you got it.

[zealous basin]

[earnest cave]

They better be fantastic.

https://tenor.com/view/youre-doing-great-good-job-keep-it-up-thumbs-up-well-done-gif-15764507

[zealous basin]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/8b3069fc3e05d132dab1b4b64dc04282/0b701d869a71597a-2a/s500x750/4407b7b995d62e14db601801a8b8544104e3d2c3.gif

[earnest cave]

I chuckled at this

[zealous basin]

rude

[earnest cave]

Hey nothing wrong with good ole Mrs Maisel.

[fair igloo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/882097434593988608/1182915009228054611/conductor_we_have_a_problem.gif

[zealous basin]

damn i didnt get even booze tonight

F

[earnest cave]

Susie be the best.

[fair igloo]

icant even imagine not being able to drink on a weekend 💔

my condolences

[zealous basin]

no i definitely drank

[earnest cave]

You are behind by one bottle of delicious mead.

[zealous basin]

plenty

i just ran out

👍

[west gate]

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-cat-gif-25741071

[earnest cave]

This riff raff

It's time to prove it in an auric.

Seems like I can never find an auric match.

Damnation has gotten boring.

Join my my brethren and my sisteren.

[rigid trellis]

yeah for the last week or so I've barely been able to find an auric maelstrom

[earnest cave]

Well damn someone beat me to it:

sistren:

“Sistren.” Merriam-Webster.com Dictionary, Merriam-Webster, https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sistren. Accessed 11 Feb. 2024.

[rigid trellis]

seems like there's only 1 match going on at a time if that

[earnest cave]

We've got sistren zealots in here yes? (sorry don't mean to be cringe)

(don't be shy for the Master Of Mankind does not discriminate)

Honestly it's pretty cool that there's already a word out there for it.

[earnest cave]

Yup

[violet lichen]

see ya thunder hammer heavy attacks my new homie is left click spam tigrus xv

[fading vale]

https://tenor.com/view/shame-go-t-game-of-thrones-walk-of-shame-shameful-gif-4949558

[royal vortex]

@coarse birch @south folio cant believe bolter is terrible and the reload is too slow

[coarse birch]

same

[south folio]

very bad weapon

[coarse birch]

i outdamaged with void

and void sucks

bad weapon

[south folio]

so true

[coarse birch]

only kills the entire room per mag

[royal vortex]

😔

[coarse birch]

if you got all your toughness back as well as 75% DR and also double damage for shooting it might be good again

[royal vortex]

TRUE

[south folio]

and a little dash of +75% ogryn damage

[coarse birch]

i had this game as positive review but sadly when they nerfed bolter into the ground i had to change it to negative. Ever since bolter got nerfed i cant complete HISTG anymore (im level 300 so im good enough just no good weapons) and my wife left me

[royal vortex]

tbf i was avoiding fighting hordes as much as possible

lettin u farm poxwalkers

[south folio]

had your god damn hawk eye on every elite/special

[coarse birch]

i would never farm poxwalkers

[south folio]

so true

[royal vortex]

look at my elites killed on that last match

[south folio]

ignore the carnival finale where i didn't close gates and just spamed caxe lights on them

[coarse birch]

besides you cant farm poxwalkers

[royal vortex]

i was fuckin ON IT

[coarse birch]

melee too hard

[south folio]

damn boi

158 elites killed

[royal vortex]

exe stance is bad

[coarse birch]

move up a channel and say that

[south folio]

don't tempt him

[royal vortex]

luhmayo

[coarse birch]

tbf they would agree

its not shout but shout is

shout

[sturdy owl]

Can confirm that vet chat overwhelmingly considers exe bad

[royal vortex]

its nice for orange highlight chasing

and on bolter it lets u unfuck recoil

[coarse birch]

yeah thats one of the main reasons i run it for bolter

when i play vet once a year

[royal vortex]

i play w/o suppression immunity and just hope i never have to shoot gunners without it

[south folio]

us having to wait for your exe stance to be back up to eliminate the wind tunnels

[royal vortex]

lmao

[coarse birch]

it is nice to have a wind tunnel remover

[royal vortex]

at least i kill a minimum of 6 reapers a mag

[coarse birch]

im still mad about that one shotgunner that kept shooting me in the back while i was fighting crushers cause he kept messing me up

like he wasnt even hurting me

literally just sat there pushing me like bro

get a life

[royal vortex]

deserved

[coarse birch]

wtf

what did i do to you

[royal vortex]

nothing

i have decided to wish harm upon innocents

[coarse birch]

wowo

woaw

[royal vortex]

waow

[coarse birch]

i cant believe this

[royal vortex]

voidstrike user.

[coarse birch]

i was impersonating mankar

[coarse birch]

lets check recently sent clips and see whos the void user

shall we

[frozen glen]

you both should be incarcerated for playing psyker

[south folio]

so true

imagine playing psyker????

like

[coarse birch]

how many times did you complete a mission with tac axe 2 and agri revo on psyker josho

[frozen glen]

so real

[coarse birch]

why am i catching strays

im nice to everyone here but arco and sometimes josho

[royal vortex]

[royal vortex]

[frozen glen]

maybe stop being nice to josho

he hates that

[coarse birch]

also josho calls me a void user when i dont blow myself up with poxbursters and josho with void is just like "oH iTs An EnEmY iM gOnNa PrEsS m2 oN iT"

those 2 shotgunners i was fighting on my own? fuckin

VAPORIZED

[frozen glen]

how does that stop u from being a void user

[coarse birch]

im still a void user as of recently

josho is a worse one though

[royal vortex]

i have a deimos and BB

i voidstrike EVERYTHING

[coarse birch]

you said you hate illisi with void cause you dont need it

[royal vortex]

i cant help that im fucking stupid

[south folio]

so true

[coarse birch]

so do you not need deimoss too

never mind

i cant type

tbf void does kinda cover every base

on its own

[royal vortex]

its just for handfuls of trash and muties mostly

[coarse birch]

oh man i forgot to make a knife and an obscurus

oh well

[royal vortex]

or sometimes maulers

[fading vale]

insert that void surrounded in a corner clip

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/ly7n2z

[frozen glen]

me and my discount trauma staff

[fading vale]

[royal vortex]

god bless aoe staffs

[fading vale]

we all have normal names this is weird

[frozen glen]

all of them except surge

[coarse birch]

surge makes me sad

yeah stan used all his wrong names on exhil a few days ago

[fading vale]

Bruh there has only ever been one person here that cares about the surge and they have the intelligence of a mosquito

[royal vortex]

surge is just unsatisfying

trauma and void both feel cool to use at least

https://streamable.com/pc9skp

[coarse birch]

i like the idea of a single target staff because it pairs so well with illisi or other horde clear weapons

which i like to run

but its so much worse at single target than void its insane

and void also gets to kill multiple things per cast and horde/shooter clear

like trying to kill a crusher with surge is depressing

[fading vale]

fuck let me search for that pasta

[royal vortex]

if void didnt have surge it would be more competitive

imo

[coarse birch]

it would def help

[royal vortex]

cuz at least surge casts faster

[frozen glen]

yeah surge shouldnt have surge either

[coarse birch]

id still like surge to have better damage vs cara

[fading vale]

I'm sorry amigo, if you can't hard carry with a staff that will make any five enemies in the game stop what they are doing and stand there for a few seconds and take damage on top of it in the time it takes you to right click, left click, and then then R. that's the definition of a player issue. The only staff that matches it in versatility is the purgatus staff. The purgatus staff just has different enemies and situations it's weak again

If i'm running surge staff I rarely get into a situation where my whole team is dead, because I have the tools that stops all the specials that suprise wipe teams. When i am in that situation pressing my F key to push/light everything around me on fire and some slash/push with my Illsi typically gives me the breathing room to go back the dogs/trappers etc under control.

What I'm getting from this is you aren't super great at melee crowd control, and that's fine a lot of people aren't, and it's a learned skill. But that's not an issue with a surge staff. It's jsut an issue that you can kind of get around with staffs like the purgatus.

[coarse birch]

oh my god i think i might remember that

its at least familiar

[south folio]

yeah it's the one derpy posted from reddit iirc

[fading vale]

I'm sorry amigo

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/3amigos-amigos-tres-amigos-gif-21036254

[coarse birch]

you know its serious when they open with that

why cant i type

probably because it is 5:40 am

[fading vale]

inherited too many lemons

[royal vortex]

crab had some fkin cool ideas for surge

[zealous basin]

bitch

[coarse birch]

my sleep schedule has been destroyed

[royal vortex]

where you would tag enemies on headshot with the lmb

[coarse birch]

i blame arco and persona 3

[royal vortex]

and then the right click would hit all the tagged guys

but that is like

[south folio]

:(

[royal vortex]

never happening

[zealous basin]

i have an idea for surge

[coarse birch]

only cause arco and i played till like 7 am at some point

[zealous basin]

they change it so the m2 makes u talk to a woman irl

[royal vortex]

this was the day my house almost burned down too

u got stuck with arco, i almost died

god knows who had it worse

[coarse birch]

i mean i was enjoying myself i think we played for like 5 hours

why did you house almost burn down

[royal vortex]

charger melted

bad things ensued

(it was not my charger)

[coarse birch]

i see

well its good your house did not burn down then

[royal vortex]

debatable

[royal vortex]

also i think this wont happen or at least

[coarse birch]

i do not know if this is a concerning statement or it is implying you dislike the house/people in it

[royal vortex]

ideally wont

because crushers are squishy as fk rn

[royal vortex]

i am playing devils advocate

[coarse birch]

well ig i mean in a world where rending is not rending

[royal vortex]

rn u need to solve a lot of issues about ADMs

crit ADM floors/rending need to go

[coarse birch]

yeah

if i couldnt destroy with any uncanny weapon '

i would be more scared

or like ogryn BM shovel just killing 4

[royal vortex]

i remember when club was the consistent crusher killer because u could two-shot one crusher at a time

and then they released shovels 2: the powercreepening

[coarse birch]

deimos even disables them

[old badger]

Is deadly accurate good for a lasgun?

[royal vortex]

yes

[coarse birch]

yes

bis

with headhunter

[old badger]

Ok I snagged that lasgun just to take the blessing from it lol

[royal vortex]

hell yeah

[old badger]

I never use lasguns but now if I do I have that blessing to put on it lmfao

[coarse birch]

oh thats what i wanted to try mk4 las gun on psyker

[royal vortex]

do u have the full auto mod

[coarse birch]

no

i accept my fate

[royal vortex]

RSI time

[coarse birch]

when i pick mk4 las

[old badger]

But tbh getting me to use anything but zarona and mk2 evisc is gonna be a challenge

im basic

[coarse birch]

tbf mk4 lasgun will be pain no matter what

esp when i can get suppressed

i wasnt even really a fan of mk12 las gun on psyker

finesse stuff didnt line up like i was hoping

[old badger]

I just realized I randomly have this autogun

and it seems like a pretty decent one other than low stopping power

[royal vortex]

ngl the mg1a/mgxii dont feel distinct enough to me

[coarse birch]

yeah they are very similar

which is why i like mk4

its just awful

[royal vortex]

they should make it like a burstfire carbine type thing

[coarse birch]

the 1a was an in between that didnt work for a while

and is now an inbetween that does do something

but its just like

a little faster

not really noticeable

[old badger]

I'm a pyromaniac and I want to love the flamer so badly but like

It feels like it runs out of ammo too fast, or there isn't enough

I feel like I can't get enough done before I either have to reload or just run out

[coarse birch]

do you know about chastise

interaction with it

[royal vortex]

the big thing about the flamer is for a lot of enemies you don't have to keep shooting until they are dead

[old badger]

I think swapping my melee would help because rn I'm using like the best horde clearing melee for zel

[royal vortex]

because the burn ticks for a decent while after

[old badger]

so maybe switching to a single target weapon would make it better

[old badger]

no

[coarse birch]

yeah you also just need to apply the burn

[royal vortex]

poxwalkers take ~5 ammunition

if you chastise with a flamer it does significantly more flak/cara damage

[coarse birch]

wheres the clip

[royal vortex]

because chastise makes your damage vs carapace use the flak numbers and vs flak uses unarmored numbers

[south folio]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1205601919121367180/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.01.20_-_18.25.18.05.DVR_-_Trim.mp4?ex=65d8f748&is=65c68248&hm=d71792a370bfefcb4bd689c4d6843b2e7df9a813862804a90b5dd19b00028cc1&

[old badger]

I might need a better flamer too, these are the only 2 I have rn

[royal vortex]

ouch yeah that cloud radius

[coarse birch]

low cloud radius isnt helping you

burn/cloud are top 2 stats for it

[old badger]

ooof

I rolled a pretty good zarona the other day, I just hope it rolls good blessings or mods

[royal vortex]

pog

[old badger]

watch it roll like

sprint efficiency, stamina, trickshooter, and point blank lol

please god let this revolver roll t4 surgical and crucian roulette/hand cannon

[royal vortex]

u gotta have FAITH

[coarse birch]

you must believe

you will either be right or become numb

and no longer bothered

[royal vortex]

(so that it may be crushed when u get groaners/poxwalkers and +specialists)

[old badger]

The Emperor protects fellas

Hopefully he also protects the rolls on this revolver LMAO

[coarse birch]

its ok i spent like 10k plasteel today so i could make a dumb taxe build

[old badger]

Even if the rolls aren't good, I can easily make it at least pretty fuckin good, though I hope it rolls perfectly

[coarse birch]

speaking of which i almost went into a match today with a grey tac axe and i think arco had a heart attack

[old badger]

I already have a revolver with a t3 surgical I could put on it

[royal vortex]

lmfao

[old badger]

Getting into building weapons makes me want to put plasteel/diamantine mods on my fuckin curios

If there was even a mod for that, I forgot

[coarse birch]

just ordos iirc

[old badger]

yeah just dockets u right

[coarse birch]

hey

it worked

didnt it

[old badger]

😭

[coarse birch]

that was before i added tac axe to it

[royal vortex]

i wish

[coarse birch]

i did 500k damage i swear it functioned

[royal vortex]

i would run all +plasteel/+ordos

[coarse birch]

ignore that team was just me and arco basically

[royal vortex]

this was the scoreboard from the game where i spent the entire commsplex mid event

in a fucking TORRENT of shotgunners

[old badger]

These are my curios rn

[coarse birch]

oh yeah

you were farming

[royal vortex]

dude

[south folio]

u crackhead

[royal vortex]

i didnt even wanna be there

[old badger]

wait why the fuck did I put block efficiency on one of those

[royal vortex]

they just didnt stop spawning

i would swap at least a couple of those toughness regen speeds to gunner res

esp if ur running marty

[coarse birch]

all it took was accepting hand pain

[old badger]

zarona quickdraw + twbs my beloved

[coarse birch]

yeah gunner res is nice for when you get gunner walled into turbo cringe knockback and die

well

if you die it wont help

[old badger]

At least to me it feels like TWBS makes it impossible to really get suppressed

[royal vortex]

twbs makes me take more gunner damage because i forget they are an enemy that hurts people

[coarse birch]

but itll make you less likely to die

[royal vortex]

and i will stand there lining up a tknife throw

[old badger]

I've gotten like

[coarse birch]

if they gave everyone TWBS baseline

[old badger]

weirdly good at quickdrawing and clicking heads

[coarse birch]

i would be so happy

[old badger]

I'm slowly becoming the sweaty zealot main

Soon I will solo auric damnation inshallah

[dense field]

Having no twbs is miserable

[royal vortex]

arco did they fuck with exe stance making you immune to ranged knockback

[south folio]

i think

so

i saw a reddit post about that

[old badger]

It seemed like it would be entirely unnoticeable until I got it and then it was like doing a line of coke and slamming back an irish carbomb

[royal vortex]

i swear to GOD it was fucking me up so hard today

i would pop it expecting a bailout

and then the gunner continues to slide me across the floor

[coarse birch]

yeah i think its just suppression

[south folio]

you still had stun immunity right

[dense field]

That's a weirdly specific and accurate description

[royal vortex]

i think so

[south folio]

so i suppose that the ranged pushback and the stun immunity are two separate things

[coarse birch]

so it just moves you lol

that makes too much sense

[royal vortex]

it kept pushing me

[old badger]

wait, waitwaitwait
being immune to suppression does keep you from getting ultra slowed down right?

[frozen glen]

suppression is just the screenshake

[royal vortex]

suppression is the thing that fucks with your aim

[frozen glen]

when u aim

[south folio]

nah suppression is when your gun sways around when enemies are shooting at you

stun/stagger is the thing that slows you/interrupts your anims

[old badger]

bruh
I was so excited to get the suppression immunity talent on my veteran when I respecc'd my talent tree, and since I barely play vet I hadn't gotten into a gunner wall of boolets

And now I find out that the entire reason I was so excited about speccing that talent was for naught

[south folio]

you should've played some time ago

[coarse birch]

suppression immunity is still very good

[south folio]

because there was a very very funny bug with vet

[fading vale]

I mean, it's a great talent

[frozen glen]

thy grenades be swift

[south folio]

where Grenade Tinkerer gave you the exact same effect that TWBS did

[frozen glen]

what a time it was

[fading vale]

especially on certain weapons

[old badger]

Yeah I run GRENADES APLENTY on my vet

[fading vale]

like bolter

[coarse birch]

bolter needs it

obv

[old badger]

With how many grenades I output, my vet is basically an AC-130

[fading vale]

it used to get stagger immunity too

[royal vortex]

bolter needs it unless ur super confident in ur ability to chain exe stance on gunners

if ur doin like shout or stealth its mandatory obvs

[fading vale]

does exe give suppression immunity

[royal vortex]

yes

[old badger]

Darktide is like the single game that I have really really good aim in

[coarse birch]

p sure

yeah

[old badger]

I suck at every other FPS but I'm weirdly good at darktide in general

It makes no sense to me especially since I never played L4D2 and sucked at VT2

[fading vale]

man I haven't had good aim for like 12 years

[old badger]

It may also just be I think I'm good because randos suck

lmfao

[coarse birch]

idk how good my aim is

[south folio]

the revolvers also have bullet magnetism

[coarse birch]

i base my aim of like good siege players

so mines mid

[south folio]

they're one of the two guns that have it on PC

[fading vale]

I mean I'm probably still above average but I ain't what I used to be

[coarse birch]

however in darktide terms its probably above average

[old badger]

I have good aim with the bolter and lasgun as well

so idk

[fading vale]

when I played thousands of hours of the same game

[royal vortex]

dt enemies move fairly predictably as well

[old badger]

The only "guns" I have had trouble aiming with is the staves because I never used them enough to get used to their travel time

[royal vortex]

/some are completely stationary

[south folio]

my aim has degraded from a year of playing psyker

[coarse birch]

yeah the game doesnt usually ask you to make the craziest shots which helps

[royal vortex]

a lot of the time unless something bizarre happens you can read enemy move patterns pretty well

[coarse birch]

compared to like

CS

[royal vortex]

and map knowledge will help you line up shots

[fading vale]

I stopped gaming much and doing pvp when I went to college and it's been downhill from there

[coarse birch]

really

[royal vortex]

my tendency to mald at video games and pvp do not go well together

[coarse birch]

ive gamed much more in college

[royal vortex]

the last pvp shooter i played was tf2 with a pocket medic buddy

[fading vale]

I somehow made friends in college and spent less time gaming

[coarse birch]

i enjoy and dont enjoy PVP

at the same time

[royal vortex]

u will never guess what class i mained

[coarse birch]

i like competing but its awful for my mental health

[fading vale]

yeah I just gave it up because

[royal vortex]

the lows of losing are very oftentimes worse than the highs of winning games i get invested in

[fading vale]

#1 I'm never gonna play enough to meet my standards

and #2 I hate dumb bullshit and get really pissed off

[coarse birch]

i can put up with BS generally

but yeah ill never meet my standards

and it really stressed me out

[lusty turtle]

haven't properly played a pvp shooter since BF4

[fading vale]

I get so mad about things I deem as low or no skill

[old badger]

Until Death + TWBS has given me some crazy fucking plays

[coarse birch]

like when i was competing in smash i tried to maintain practicing every day and it just turning into a cycle of compete > learn what to improve on > work on it all week > repeat

it became a job essentially

[old badger]

My only complaint about Holy Revenant is that it gives me too much health sometimes

[fading vale]

how is 25% too much

[coarse birch]

and i now get very little satisfaction out of gaming now unless im doing some crazy hard shit

[old badger]

It puts me over a wound of hp lmfao

[royal vortex]

if ur running marty it lowers ur marty stacks

very sad

[old badger]

^

I run marty

Every match begins with me hunting down explosive barrels

[fading vale]

ok and are we still acting like being at 1 wound on marty is the best way to play it

[old badger]

yes

[south folio]

the terrible days of when holy rev used to heal up to 100% and was on a 90s cooldown

[royal vortex]

i play 0 wound marty. i am drawing aggro

[coarse birch]

dude old holy rev

[royal vortex]

is it no longer on a 90s cooldown

[coarse birch]

was so funny

[south folio]

it's 120s now iirc

[coarse birch]

i would just go hit a horde for 2 seconds with hsword

full health

[old badger]

120s yeah

[fading vale]

I used to have smash tournaments at my house with some friends and it just made me hate people

[coarse birch]

i would proc until death if i was low on purpose cause holy rev was such a free heal

[coarse birch]

i didnt mind my community

some people get egos

and its annoying

[old badger]

I don't understand how ppl play marty and just let it buff them naturally as they get damaged, the difference from 0 stacks to 7 stacks is absolutely night and day and I don't feel like I get damaged often enough for it to be useful if I played it that way

[coarse birch]

or they literally know nothing outside of smash and it turns them into like people who cant function

[royal vortex]

they increased the until death cooldown and i didnt even know

what da hell

[coarse birch]

in a social environment

tbf your probably not procing until death super often josho

[royal vortex]

dude

[coarse birch]

i didnt realize either

[royal vortex]

i dont read talents

i was talking to crab about bolter builds

[fading vale]

see like I said I hate bullshit and well, in a casual setting I didn't get good enough to deal with the bullshit characters and what not so I ended up hating everyone for abusing bullshit when people suck, that and one of my friends decided to constantly practice Simon for locals and stuff

[royal vortex]

and he said "... with the reload speed on marksman..." and i was like

"marksman gets reload speed?"