zealot-class

[calm salmon]

same energy

[open pollen]

Or like, serial killer vibes?

[calm salmon]

naw, just 200% honrey

apparently the nonfucked up version of that word is banned

go figure

look at what you did zealot chat

honrey was added to the chat filter

which just further solidifies josho's point

[frosty herald]

game is pretty

[open pollen]

Let it join the forbidden acronym on "Things the zealots are not allowed to talk about anymore"

[coarse birch]

ER does in fact look good

[calm salmon]

i still haven't played it

[royal vortex]

😔

[calm salmon]

but itd also just be a waste of money on my part

I've had my fill of the souls franchise

[frank night]

.

[frosty herald]

This is like my 5th playthrough?

[calm salmon]

I NG+9ed Dark Souls on the xbox 360

and NG+4ed or 5ed DS2

[coarse birch]

Idk how many times ive beaten it

[calm salmon]

that was uh

enough soulsfranchise for me

[coarse birch]

I mostly do challenge runs

[frank night]

the angel goes on top

[coarse birch]

I think i have 750 hours or so

Do not ask me my opinion on ER bosses

[calm salmon]

i tried with demon souls on ps3 - nope

DS3 on pc - nope

Nioh on PS4 - nope

bloodborne on ps4 - nope

turns out all I had was DS1 and Ds2 inside of me

good games

had enough of the franchise

[coarse birch]

3 is also very good

Super good bosses

[calm salmon]

im sure

but I've had my fill

[coarse birch]

I need to play 1

[calm salmon]

got what I wanted out of it between DS1 and DS2

[open pollen]

One time, I replayed DS2 to try out magic, and by the end had the same build I had the first time I played through. That was when I realized there be no point in me playing multiple times, it would always end the same way: Dual Weilding whatever has the biggest damage numbers at the time.

[calm salmon]

i played ds2 pre-patch

when weapons hitting the map did durability damage

and it was per hit

so the dual swords that did a spin move had like +600% durability burn

because they hit the floor 4 times per attack

[coarse birch]

Ds2 weapon durability was something

I think i went through 2 weapons on my first boss

[frosty herald]

Ds2 made weapon durability actualy something you need to look at

[open pollen]

I had to walk to Majula UPHILL, BOTH WAYS because I was worried I'd miss something if I fast-traveled.

[coarse birch]

Cause i hadnt upgraded them yet

[calm salmon]

ds2 was super poorly designed

they learned all of the wrong lessons from ds1

¯_(ツ)_/¯

different team, so no surprise I guess

[coarse birch]

I didnt finish is cause the bosses didnt do anything for me

They felt very basic

[calm salmon]

fun game, not as good as ds1

[frosty herald]

The dragon sihn deals extra durability damage when you hit him

[calm salmon]

ds2 was about the enemies

not the bosses

there's a reason its called it Gank Souls 2

[coarse birch]

Granted im used to ER where enemies do 45 hit combos and then dont have an opening after

But still

[ember yew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kr7KDCsIws

[open pollen]

Indeed. Also, wicked bummed everyone gravitated to the fire bridge for pvp when the level before had a proper circular area right next to a bonfire that wasn't being used for anything.

[calm salmon]

like I said, dark souls 2 was built from the ground up to make players be afraid of the mobs, not the bosses

the bosses are a cakewalk once you figure them out

insomuch as they are in any souls game

[coarse birch]

Yeah im just not a huge fan of that

[calm salmon]

but walking into a room and getting attacked by 22 mobs is infuriating

[coarse birch]

Like i play 99% for bosses at this point

So i can learn them to a T

[frosty herald]

People complaining about enenies when bows exist

[calm salmon]

I dunno

I just did the same thing as I did in DS1

heavy armor

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[frosty herald]

Legit just use a bow it makes the game alot easier

[coarse birch]

I used a bow on my randomizer all bosses deathless run for er

For some enemies where i could get knocked off

[open pollen]

Hang on a tic, I gotta go get Baja Blasted.

[coarse birch]

They do come in handy from time to time

[open pollen]

OH YEAH! BAJA BUENO! MMMMMMMM

[calm salmon]

baja blast do be gud

[frosty herald]

Bows in ds2 were actualy good

[calm salmon]

so good mt dew started selling it in 12 packs permanently

struck gold on that one

[open pollen]

Gives me super powers.

[coarse birch]

Ive had it once

[frosty herald]

They should sell the original four loco in a 12 pack

[calm salmon]

when update for darktide

[coarse birch]

I think they only got off vacation recently

Tbh

[calm salmon]

its beeeeen teeeeeeen yeaaaaarrrrrssssss

[coarse birch]

So no clue

[calm salmon]

Yeah I don't actually care that much

just had an itch

and that solved it

[frosty herald]

We havent gotten an update since last yeae smh

[open pollen]

Puri. Darktide hasn't been updated in 40 years

[coarse birch]

Unbelievable

[calm salmon]

i will say

community has cooled down since last year this time

[coarse birch]

Id care more if i wasnt having fun with the current state of the game

[calm salmon]

and yeah

that's why

[coarse birch]

The games in a much better spot now which helps

[calm salmon]

power fantasy trip

[open pollen]

Aye, a lot less to be angry about.

[calm salmon]

while everything is braindead op

[coarse birch]

Last year around this time it was falling apart

[calm salmon]

its at least fun braindead op

so like

neato burrito club go bonk

plasma gun go PFEW

revolver go BANG

blablabla

[open pollen]

Aye, which is why I hope they add like, more enemy types or give enemies new attacks or something for the higher difficulties.

[coarse birch]

I wouldnt mind more enemy types

[calm salmon]

where my chaos homies at with four arms

[coarse birch]

Or buffing elites to be threatening

[calm salmon]

wings

[open pollen]

Hell, I'd be fine with more variants like the pox hounds.

[calm salmon]

tentacles that are. . . [redacted]

[coarse birch]

In particular shotgunners

[calm salmon]

but first

first

FIRST

[coarse birch]

Cause shotgunners kinda dont do anything

[calm salmon]

CAN SCAB FLAMERS BECOME FLAK ARMORED
INSTEAD OF MANIAC

or you know, no

and we just live with the bad design there

[open pollen]

Kinda wish shotgunners and regular gunners were swapped in terms of "who switches to melee at close range". Like, dude, you have a shotgun! Why are you pulling out a shovel!?

[calm salmon]

oooooooo more enemy types

looks at flamers

Well, there's one of two ways this can go

or dreg machine gunners

dreg machine gunners being tankier than scab machine gunners will never not make me laugh

[open pollen]

Give me my tox bombers and Ogryn muties please

That does seem like an oversight. Guess nurgle loves the dregs more

[calm salmon]

like I said, braindead overpowered

saying that though, people DO defend current revolver

[coarse birch]

Im ok with shotgunners not shooting in melee can all they do is is fucking knock you back

[calm salmon]

and get rabid at the mouth when people say it needs to be nerfed

[coarse birch]

Which is very annoying

[open pollen]

Depends, does your opinion extend to the agrippa MK too?

[calm salmon]

like

new volvo?

[open pollen]

Yar

[calm salmon]

new volvo is just okay

[coarse birch]

I dont think anyone is saying agri and zarona are equal

[calm salmon]

it mostly doesn't have a spot because of elliot's clip

like

[open pollen]

Then we gucci. Don't ye be nerfin' my cowboy gun

[calm salmon]

why do you need it

when you can kill 15 shotgunners in 4 shots

[elfin steppe]

the new revolver is trash.

[open pollen]

I WANNA BE A COWBOY, PURI

[fading vale]

I agree with elliot on this

[calm salmon]

I dunno. I just think its okay

[coarse birch]

Saying something needs to be nerfed in this game leads to either "its pve game, touch grass" or "yeah its dumb"

[calm salmon]

but that's just me being an ogryn

I lived with krourk stubber for a year

[coarse birch]

No in-between in my exp

[calm salmon]

and it was also, merely, okay

[fading vale]

many things need to be nerfed

[coarse birch]

Yeah my list of things that need a nerf would exceed the character limit

[calm salmon]

uh

I'd go so far as to say there's. . . everything

everything needs to be nerfed

[fading vale]

bromentum be like 😭

[open pollen]

I would be fine with them nerfing the revolver, only if they added another MK that was like, single-shot high damage infinite pierce.

[calm salmon]

its easier to list the things that need to be buffed than it is to list the things that need to be nerfed

[coarse birch]

It already got nerfed 🤨🤨🤨

[fading vale]

*buffed

[calm salmon]

so, while "darktide patch when"

we continue living in the power fantasy trip

such is life

at least its fun

unlike this time last year

[coarse birch]

I do think balance is less important than some other stuff atm

[calm salmon]

when it wasn't fun and nothing but vet was good

[open pollen]

I wish life was a power fantasy trip.

[coarse birch]

But we are def op af

[calm salmon]

have you tried being jeff bezos

[coarse birch]

Not matter where you look

[fading vale]

ok nothing but vet was broken as fuck but plenty was good

[open pollen]

Yeah, couldn't handle the bald.

[coarse birch]

Was flamer still dumb at that time

When did it get nerfed

[calm salmon]

okay fair

[fading vale]

as if flamer still isn't dumb

[calm salmon]

flamer just has no ammo

so people don't use it

[coarse birch]

Ok like extra dumb

[fading vale]

what

[calm salmon]

cause they wanna use ALL the ammo

so, it has no ammo

[fading vale]

they are just bad

[calm salmon]

they think 15 poxwalkers need 30 ammo

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[coarse birch]

Where i slept through flamer matches

[open pollen]

I do wish we had more opportunities to be humbled, like Secret Hard Mode.

[fading vale]

it was extra dumb idk 9 months ago?

[coarse birch]

Yeah sounds right

[calm salmon]

I'm well aware flamer is still good

its just uh

weird to say, but slept on

[fading vale]

people are so bad at using it

[coarse birch]

I think it was nerfed around tools of war

[fading vale]

it's astounding

[calm salmon]

because the people are, yes, awful at using it.

6 ammo

[coarse birch]

People also still dont know about chastise

[calm salmon]

that's all you need to kill an infinite amount of poxwalkers within 21 meters

[fading vale]

23

[calm salmon]

and in a. . . 6 meter? wide sweep

[calm salmon]

not like the game says ANYTHING about that

so I don't really blame them

[coarse birch]

Yeah i don't blame people for not knowing stuff

[fading vale]

every time someone complains about flamer ammo it's just so sad

[coarse birch]

This game explains 2 things

Total

[calm salmon]

lazorr ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[north sedge]

Why flamer so weak 😔

[sharp zodiac]

Oh joyeuse safi siège

[calm salmon]

I've learned to just sigh and move on with my life when people hate a particular weapon

[fading vale]

oh did yall finish

[desert bough]

Ulgo say thank you for prayer

[north sedge]

About to

[fading vale]

aight

[north sedge]

I'm just super dead

[fading vale]

lol

[open pollen]

Kinda wish they had more training options in psych ward

[calm salmon]

not like the tutorial in vt2 is any better

so meh

[coarse birch]

Idk what the advanced tutorial even covers

[calm salmon]

fatshark has a track record

[coarse birch]

I never looked at it

[calm salmon]

they're really good about sticking to it

[open pollen]

I think like, suppression?

[calm salmon]

dunno why

[north sedge]

Done

[coarse birch]

They do like to make games with things that kill you instantly and then not mention you can dodge them lol

[calm salmon]

slave rats bonking you for 70 damage

or on psyker, groaners for 60 hp

[frosty herald]

malice is pret much the tutorial here

[calm salmon]

I am super bad at vt2

i just stick with ironbreaker bardin

makes it way easier to deal with

[coarse birch]

Yeah you kinda learn by doing

Which is fine

But also rough for some people

[calm salmon]

I'm good with IBB

but like

a braindead labrat could be good with IBB

so that's not saying much

[coarse birch]

Who will get 200 hours in and not know if they are doing things right

[placid fiber]

Some people just don't learn from doing

Then again it's more that some people just don't learn >.>

[placid fiber]

Just truesolo cata with Ironbreaker.

[ember yew]

lets complain about bolter ammo instead

[placid fiber]

Bolter ammo is legit sadge...

[calm salmon]

I don't like VT2 enough to deal with cata

legend is comfi enough for my peabrain

[placid fiber]

Legend is the way

[calm salmon]

I don't get gigapunished for not doing everything perfectly

just mostly punished

[placid fiber]

Cata is for pain

[coarse birch]

Never played vt2 much sadly

[ember yew]

i like it enough, but i dont like cata overall, i love going full DPS and cata is more about utility/survivability or whatever gimmick + all my breakpoints are kinda legend-focused

[placid fiber]

I played... a couple hours in vt2...

[ember yew]

im not keeping different set of items for Cata

[placid fiber]

I just haven't felt like gaming this last week and a half...

[calm salmon]

legend lets me stagger everything in the game with coghammer

without needing to spend 12 million hours grinding trinkets

[placid fiber]

I opened rorr 6 days ago, but, I didn't even play. :/

[calm salmon]

the only bp is for ragers

which, fuckin whatever

I'm IBB

trollhammer torpedo go brrrrrrr

[placid fiber]

Focus 1 stat on trinkets, unless you get a red

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/bardin-vermintide-dwarf-warhammer-gif-23354885

[frosty herald]

Bret longsword on saltz would go insane

[placid fiber]

I legit have a red of every weapon in vt2 besides the necromancer weapons for Sienna :/

[calm salmon]

the new vt2 situation though is kinda funny

people are actually happy to see me on IBB now

because it means they don't have to not play the game because I'm OE

[ember yew]

[placid fiber]

lol that's so relevant

[calm salmon]

silly fatshark

that's not how you buff a class

https://tenor.com/view/oh-you-aww-golden-girls-blanche-devereaux-shy-gif-23876713

<Makes the most mindbogglingly overpowered thing you've ever seen>

Classic Fatshark Moment™️

[elfin steppe]

I'm not sure exactly which patch it was, but since the latest major update, enemy melee stagger seems to have decreased a lot.

But melee enemies also deal way more damage to toughness.

[calm salmon]

I straight up could not say

I've been playing ogryn only for the last 2 months or so

maybe last month?

Literally impossible to tell with all of that DR stacked

[ember yew]

ogro nerfs when

[elfin steppe]

Ogryn has damage reduction, way superior to TDR.

[calm salmon]

he has 20%* HP damage reduction

and that's it

while that's a fairly large number

all of his DR buffs in the tree affect toughness only

[elfin steppe]

I remember Bleed gives you stack

If you go TDR, you also need toughness regen and stack toughness, you end up investing a lot in the toughness alone.

[vast basin]

Well ogryn has amazing tools for toughness generation so I see no reason not to invest in toughness

[meager needle]

It's 20% toughness and 20% damage reudction, which stacks multiplicatively with each other - giving it a total of 36% toughness damage reduction with nothing even selected on the tree

[calm salmon]

I'm aware

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-huh-cat-huh-etr-gif-15332443943609734737

[calm salmon]

but to say he has a bunch of damage reduction is a misnomer

its a berjillion TDR

and 20% hp dr

and the problem is a berjillion TDR

20% hp dr is literally just a forgiveness mechanic for being 4x as big as any other character, and pretty much necessary to him being playable

what he doesn't need on top of that is >90% toughness damage reduction making him the outright tankiest character in any video game I've ever played

[meager needle]

agreed, though the 20% HP DR is also pretty large imo since there are other overall DR talents on the tree that affect HP DR

[ember yew]

well, not really, i remember a random PUG ogryn taken 3500 frikkin damage and going down ONCE, if i taken 3500 i would've died like 6 times or something over the course of the game, my average damage taken is like 300-900 depending on how stupid modificators are

[elfin steppe]

are all the TDR multiplicative?

[calm salmon]

additive within single talents

[meager needle]

the small node TDRs are additive

[calm salmon]

multiplicative otherwise

but yeah, the 10% TDR nodes are additive

so ogryn starts out with 66% TDR

then you get into the ability nodes, like Feel No Pain or whatever the bleed one is

[meager needle]

yup, heavyweight & implacable & feel no pain & bleed thing

gets to be such insane tdr

[calm salmon]

even if I'm trying to be as braindead as possible I only take ~900hp damage

[meager needle]

just walk around heavy attacking stuff, take thousands of damage but never go down

[calm salmon]

due to ogryn tanking everything to toughness and instantly regenerating it

[frosty herald]

Ogryn toughness regen us absolutely cracked

[meager needle]

my friend had started with ogryn and i hadnt played one until recently, i only made one cause he was complaining about how they werent tanky and i 100% was sure it was a skill issue (it was)

[calm salmon]

its always a skissue

shrimply a bad krill

[elfin steppe]

I want to know how the voice actor do the "HEAVY RAIN" voice line, I can't forget about that voice

[calm salmon]

LOTSA FIRE

is my favorite

or the one where he makes shooting noises with his mouth

[meager needle]

mine is the 'MEDICKEE, MECKIDEE, MECKE.." when he tries to say medicae station lol

[calm salmon]

oh, and trains

[elfin steppe]

Are these two multiplicative?

@fading vale

[calm salmon]

I fucking LOVE bully's trains voicelines

[meager needle]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3088553235
Awesome guide there by kuli, they wrote guides for each class and explain each talent along with how they stack (multiplicatively or additively) goes into great detail. Awesome read

To answer the question, they stack mult with other damage reduction buffs. I Shall Not Fall stacks additively with the small TDR nodes and the sum stacks mult with other buffs

[open pollen]

"DIE-A-MAAANTINE!" ~Bodyguard.

[elfin steppe]

Ok, so basically it's not worth using both.

[meager needle]

Sorry yeah I edited my reply to have the answer

Didn't mean for it to seem like a "just look it up" reply

[calm salmon]

isn't it 50% + 30% tdr?

so 100 to 50 to uh

whatever 30% of 50 is

assuming an attack does 100 damage

[elfin steppe]

I also found Desperation does not actually give you 20% damage, it only gives you 8%-9%.

[meager needle]

But I Shall Not Fall can give you up to 30% TDR fully, then you have whatever small TDR nodes added onto that (we'll assume 10%, though you can have up to 20% on tree) to give 40% TDR
Then if you proc enduring faith, that would stack multiplicatively with whatever other TDR buffs you may have, after which you would apply that value to the 60% remaining damage being applied to your toughness unless my math is wrong

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/17ytif5/all_enemy_attacks_damage_values_healthtoughness/
This is also a good read if you haven't seen the post already

[elfin steppe]

yeah, then why not only use enduring faith, you get 50% TDR already.

[calm salmon]

You're talking to someone who runs momentum on newviscerator

so uh

more is gudder

[calm salmon]

as in the blessing

[meager needle]

I think it would be like
40% TDR from ISNF & small nodes (additively)
50% TDR from EF (stacks mult with this)
so it would in turn be a total TDR of:
.6 * .5 = .3
1 - .3 = .7
70% TDR with both procced, right?

[calm salmon]

dunno if that could get confused with the keystone at the bottom right

[calm salmon]

think so

[meager needle]

yeh, still pretty damn good

[calm salmon]

I just start with an attack being 100 damage

and go from there

ogryn math or whatever I dunno

holdover from old dreg stalkers really

when they did 20 damage per shot, and had a 3 round, 4 round, and 5 round burst

so 100 damage was a regular breakpoint on oldgryn due to 100 toughness

[elfin steppe]

Considering how many bursters spawn these days, I don't want to get into a full toughness build.

[meager needle]

I usually do one health one toughness one stam on my zealot

in terms of curios i mean

but idk what's optimal

[elfin steppe]

I just tested it on meat grinder, it seems they fix the melee damage to the toughness, it deals way less damage to your toughness now, it was not working for a while.

[calm salmon]

yeah its really only viable on ogryn

because well >90% TDR with all buffs active

your ONLY threat is bursters

and you get 330-380 hp depending on build

+210 tougness

[meager needle]

flamers give me some trouble if i dont switch to my ranged fast enough and dont have my charge up

on ogryn i mean

[calm salmon]

I just run 2hp 1 tough or 1hp 2 tough on zealot and call it a day

[meager needle]

melt through my touhgness so f ast

on zealot i feel comfortable since they're so mobile

[elfin steppe]

full TDR, 27 damage, 30% TDR, 55 damage

50% TDR, 41 damage

[meager needle]

showing my ignorance here, which faction is that technically?

dreg bruiser melee?

[elfin steppe]

yes

[meager needle]

so that's 72 base damage with 1.5x mult / 108 damage to toughness on damnation

[elfin steppe]

I don't know how exactly that was calculated, but I know this guy always hit hard.

[meager needle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/17ytif5/all_enemy_attacks_damage_values_healthtoughness/
from this table

72 damage is the base value, but he does 150% damage to toughness (apparently)

i just wanted to see for the base value

so i could see how much actual DR you were getting

[elfin steppe]

[meager needle]

have you tried devil's claw swords and parrying? can be fun and nice to mix stuff up

if you're running fury of the faithful pretty much anything works vs armor since it downgrades it by 1

yeah fury of the faithful and/or chastise the wicked will make it so carapace is treated as flak, and flak is treated as unarmored (but they still benefit from damage vs those types) for 3s after activation

uhhh i'm not sure. I forgot which one i messed around with. I would recommend getting the Loadout Config mod if you use mods, and testing them in the psykanium

[elfin steppe]

It's kind of insane that zealot can tank this hit with Bleed for the Emperor.

It can probably knock a space marine's head off.

[meager needle]

can it actually?

oh yeah the 40% damage reduction

[obtuse stirrup]

Damage is wacky in this game anyway

if a space marine somehow made it into our squad they'd probably be able to tank crusher overheads on some builds

Expecting total consistency in WH40k is, in fact, heretical.

[elfin steppe]

the RT in the other game slay the whole harlequin troupe

[fleet zealot]

there was someone getting made on here a few months back they couldn't block crusher overheads

"i stacked all this stam and block efficiency but I still can't block them??!"

[meager needle]

there was a couple videos claiming you could, if you stacked enough block eff and stam, specifically on psyker with their kinetic blocking talent

maybe they saw one and were led astray

[fleet zealot]

in general DT isn't has block heavy as VT2 was

[north sedge]

somone tried to tell me they need their stam curios for block crusher overheads like a month ago

[meager needle]

"you're almost there bro, just one more stam curio and you can block it this time"

[fleet zealot]

it's like half vt2 boomers who refuse to adapt

and half people who listen to vt2 boomers/listen to dumbass youtubers who just sound confident while spouting wrong info

[pseudo anvil]

which is the better hammer in you guys' opinion?

[open pollen]

As a stam stan, I just wish they had a global timed-block mechanic. Like sure, Dclaw can still be best at it, but I'd like a lil' extra sumthin-sumthin for blocking at the last moment. Because the game-feel when I do that is nice, its just not mechanically comprable to dodging.

I would very much like to be rewarded for knowing when to dodge, and when to block. Right now, dodge-sliding gets you out of most problems, and dodge itself can be an efficient way of dealing with a lot of issues where a dodge-slide is overkill. But blocking feels very much like a third wheel in this triumvirate.

Maybe a flow chart where You block, if you can't block you dodge, if you can't dodge you dodge-slide, if you can't dodge-slide you run, and if you can't run you die. Something like that maybe? I don't know, I'm high on mountain dew baja blast. Straight up baja blasted over here.

[open pollen]

Both. We need more hammers.

I'm not biased at all

[pseudo anvil]

this doesnt really help decide which on to get

[open pollen]

How are you with horde clear?

[open pollen]

If you want more horde clear, go with Ironhelm. Otherwise if you're more into single-target damage, get Crucis.

[pseudo anvil]

but isnt the horizontal swinging nature of crucis detrimental to hitting heads?

[open pollen]

It makes up for that with raw power in most cases.

[pseudo anvil]

i see

[prisma sigil]

Also the single target on Crucis is rough because the charge detonates on anything

[open pollen]

Ironhelm has a good vertical H3 but that needs to be combo'd into in order to maximize special damage.

[pseudo anvil]

why use a hammer if you want horde clear though? countless other better options imo

[prisma sigil]

The ironhelm doesnt detonate on lesser enemies

So you can swing through a mixed Horde and hit your charge on an elite

[pseudo anvil]

that seems potentially quite handy

[prisma sigil]

It is

[pseudo anvil]

that seems even more useful damn

[prisma sigil]

The Crucis is the one you take if you want to one shot bosses

[open pollen]

Ironhelm also obliterates non-mixed hordes with the special too.

[prisma sigil]

Crucis has a better Horde swing cus its just left and right horizontal swings

[pseudo anvil]

so like against rager squads or what?

[prisma sigil]

Ironhelm you have to anim cancel

[open pollen]

Aye, but the target cap makes it more CC than clear

[prisma sigil]

Nah it would detonate on the first rager

[pseudo anvil]

then i dont see how the special helps with non mixed hordes? i dont really get what you mean?

[open pollen]

I mean you can erase groaners and poxers and the like. By upping the target cap.

[prisma sigil]

It does more damage

Even though it doesn't detonate

[pseudo anvil]

oh, so the special on the ironhelm has passive effects too?

that sounds so cool

[open pollen]

It has higher cleave, meaning a special-boosted swing hits more targets than non-boosted.

Big issue with hammers is they only really do good damage to the first 1-3 targets hit in a swing and the rest just get staggered.

At least, that's what I heard last. Not sure if they changed that. I know they dropped the cap on shovels, but not sure they did for hammers.

[dark zealot]

a stagger a day keeps the heretics at bay

[rough galleon]

They did drop the cap but yeah, it's still barely any damage on 3rd target onwards

[ripe quest]

With the Ironhelm you use Special > Heavy for crowds.

Ideally you lean into Thrust as much as possible but that's not always ideal.

[spare dome]

You can also do left right swings on Ironhelm

Block cancelling is a super easy and accessible way to do that

Sprint cancel makes it instantaneous.

[ripe quest]

You can but that just gives you a 1:1 Crucis and it's like 30% worse

Good if theres an elite or special mixed in and you don't want to bop them.

[spare dome]

Yeah but people really trip themselves over the heavy 3

It's very avoidable

Also the heavies are identical stats wise

Other than H3 ofc

It's just the L1 that I hate

It sucks.

[fleet zealot]

spacebar

[mossy scarab]

Have a taller character. Aim up. And honestly, regular heavy swing spam is enough to at least stagger even maulers, so you can safely clear out the chaf before focusing in killing the big one.

Granted maulers and ragers do take a couple swings to stagger so it's not the best way to handle it, but it functions.

Crucis takes more skill than most other weapons but it rewards you with bigger numbers. And bigger numbers make me happy.

[ripe quest]

Thammer has a pretty reasonable hitbox for weakspot hits.

damn I knew L1 H2 was bad but it's that bad?

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/tedlasso-yikes-gif-27201348

[queen island]

so crucis is the better hammer overall?

[obtuse stirrup]

Crucis is the most maximal at being a hammer

If you can, use it. If you can't but want to join in the fun anyway, use Ironhelm.

[median steeple]

Ironhelm is fun for what it wants to do

but yeah crucis is better

[queen island]

closest thing I have to a hammer is an eviscerator and heavy sword unfortunately

[median steeple]

I think I should grind for a better IH sounds really fun when actually built

[ripe quest]

Ironhelm has the nuttiness that is Skullcrusher. The lack of a major hitstun makes it fun for comboing.

[spare dome]

That's what am sayin', the L1 sucks at basically everything.

And push attack is also identical to L1 but at least you get a push out

[open pollen]

As a former expert on the matter, its a bit presumptuous to define the hammer-ness of a hammer as if its monolithic. Hammers can be used for a lot of things, so comparing two hammers designed for different uses and claiming one is more hammer-y than the other is absurd. I should arrest you for such slander.

But I'll just assume you're referring to maximum single-target damage output as being the defining trait of DT hammers specifically and let it slide... this time.

[spare talon]

well i know what the cats in my house were up to when i was asleep

[north sedge]

beautiful

[hushed knoll]

[hushed knoll]

LOL

[open pollen]

My cat does this, but to my WORK keyboard only. They have on multiple occassions sent such messages to both my manager and the general team chat.

One time, they climbed my monitor, jumped off and landed on my work keyboard, and somehow shut off my work computer while I was using it.

They hate that I pay more attention to this keyboard than them.

[hushed knoll]

Why is it the same letters over and over, where they kneading the keyboard?

Hi Hammer

[open pollen]

Probably just sitting their cat asses on multiple keys at once.

Howdy Stan

How goes the toes?

[spare talon]

ive been clutching a game once, engaging in a dance of death with a screen full of crushers
that came to a swift end when one of these cats suddenly jumped on my lap, claws out

and then i proceeded to eat a facefull of concrete

[coarse birch]

legend has it he still doesnt know his toe zone

[shy river]

what should I do with this thang

[north sedge]

mmm, you could do thunderous to ht/slaughterer, critdmg to cara for crusher one shots, the other mk4 build would be ht and slaughterer but you'd have kinda eh perks

[true mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/astarion-mushroom-dance-astarion-spore-druid-baldur's-gate-3-baldur's-gate-gif-15717175885402676484

Anyone else banged a bear in Baldur's gate?

[fleet zealot]

not yet

[true mantle]

I heard it was the best part of the game for many

[ripe quest]

He hasn't gotten close.

[ripe quest]

Swap Thunderous to Slaught or Headtaker, both have their uses. Swap +Crit Hit Damage to Flak.

With Thrust T4 you can 1 shot Crushers with Slaught/HT up and some buffs.

[spare talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IZzK4dHKmg&ab_channel=IlyaNodia

[fading vale]

Steve just repeatedly rubs his face on print screen and takes a bunch of random screenshots

[visual stream]

https://tenor.com/view/xenoverse-goku-super-saiyan-angry-dbz-gif-17041801540359342204

[true mantle]

😂 And unlike starfield, banging a bear isn't just a loading screen

[distant lark]

bebebddududuebebebbelh

[coarse birch]

@ripe quest i accidently took my vraks 7 onto a mission with a build that was the least vraks 7 friendly thing ever from when i was testing the fire rate on vraks with salvo earlier lol

on psyker

i blame you

[undone bloom]

whats the best autogun? theres so many xd i cant tell the difference

[coarse birch]

Columnus is considered the best

All of them are good

Columnus is the highest dps with the fastest fire rate, graias dps is a bit lower but easier to manage over longer distances for a lot of people, agri iag is the most different as it has the least ammo per magazine but highest damage per bullet

I think it has pen as well ill double check that

[fading vale]

the class of autogun is important

[sterile stone]

YOU CAME BACK

[coarse birch]

Oh yeah i was assuming infantry

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/x3-gif-24301743

[fading vale]

they didn't say IAG necessarily

[coarse birch]

I didnt even see that tbh

Well thats for iags

My b lol

[queen island]

I still hate the grind for weapons

[coarse birch]

My brain kind of filled in iag for some reason

[sterile stone]

It got lessened a bit

It's slightly

And I mean ever so slightly

[queen island]

slightly

[sterile stone]

Less rng

[queen island]

still have to play damnation for max reward

[elfin steppe]

What does acknowledged mean

[queen island]

which means already having 2 good weapons

[quaint verge]

You play damnation to enjoy the game

[spare talon]

incredibly untrue

[queen island]

I'm not cracked enough to be high level, ok?

[coarse birch]

To be worked on afaik

Unknown when

[elfin steppe]

Sad

[queen island]

not without a weapon I can rely on anyway

[spare talon]

but actually learning and playing the difficulty you struggle with will help with that, even without perfect weapons
trust me, i was there at one point, literally fully dying 5 times at an end event once

[elfin steppe]

If they don't fix the Evi stagger problem, I will open another bug report after the next patch.

[queen island]

I only die twice, but that's with friends I can rely on

[spare talon]

youd be surprised, most weapons dont have too much of an improvement between an okay version and a great version

[elfin steppe]

It's been a pain in the ass that the rev can't immediately stagger the crusher.

[spare talon]

you are getting a large amount of your power from your skill tree

[frank night]

FOOL

enjoyment is a thing of the 90s

[quaint verge]

[elfin steppe]

@fleet zealot

[muted vale]

can u complete preternatural dodge via swift certainty?

[queen island]

how do I zoom out to show full talent tree?

I want to see if I have anything wrong

[spare talon]

theres a mod for that, but you can also just use the gameslantern build editor page and zoom out on that

[south folio]

swift certainty doesn't do anything new besides letting you keep perpendicular ranged i-frames when sprinting at 0% stamina

[spare talon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[south folio]

w/o swift certainty, you still get perpendicular ranged i-frames when sprinting at >0% stamina

[spare talon]

what weapon is this for?

[muted vale]

but it says sprinting counts as dodging, so it is badly writen? i thought i could just sprint around few mobs and let it be complete xD

[coarse birch]

i need to remember to do the diagonal run at gunners more

i do it to flamers

[south folio]

oh god i just read the exact description and it's written horribly yeah

[queen island]

I don't have a better horde clear weapon

[coarse birch]

and then just forget it works on gunners

[south folio]

the description for it is just wrong/misleading

[muted vale]

ok, so back to trying normaly .)

[queen island]

unless these are better

[south folio]

mayhaps blocking and dodging a horde as you kite it would work
I got that penance back when force swords had infinite dodges and on psyker who has kinetic deflection

[spare dome]

who cares i just take it for the 10% sprint speed

fukken ZOOOOOM

[south folio]

this is a no drugs zone

[frank night]

too bad

[spare dome]

speed isnt a drug

wait

literal speed isnt a drug

[frank night]

no stimms will be tested on humans

[elfin steppe]

Sprint speed is different from movement speed.

[frank night]

they will only be tested on arcotash

[south folio]

wtf

[spare dome]

yea that makes it better

[elfin steppe]

I'd say 10% movement speed is very noticeable, not sure about sprint speed.

[spare dome]

it compounds and makes you hella zoomy

you have two 5% ms nodes

[frank night]

i injected you with two illicit substances during that hi int

did u even know

[pseudo anvil]

Big numbers do hit that special spot lol

Seems i will be getting a crucis

[spare dome]

if you actually scoop up everything you can outrun a knife vet with your thunder hammer quite candidly

[south folio]

yeah now i recall

[spare dome]

(although, hammer ... so your stamina wont hold out lol)

[south folio]

you fuckin monster

[queen island]

doesn't movement speed also apply to sprint?

[south folio]

i'm just walking down the street and this sick cat leaps out of the bushes to inject me with dirty needles

[elfin steppe]

of course

[queen island]

then why get sprint

[frank night]

some people pay good money for this

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/hausu-house-cat-splash-gif-17888564

[coarse birch]

you got overpowered by a cat?

[south folio]

and then this raw, uncooked dough leaps out to harass me

[elfin steppe]

huh? that talent only gives you sprint speed.

[spare dome]

10% is a lot for one node, even if its sprint only

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/pillsbury-doughboy-pillsbury-shades-sunglasses-cool-gif-22258477

[spare dome]

but more importantly it compounds with move speed

[frank night]

i have a hypodermic needle and am rapidly approaching your location

[queen island]

oof, ok

[south folio]

wtf

[fleet zealot]

yes

it's an issue

pedantic weirdo

but it isn't a bug because a bug would imply it is behaving different from intended

maybe if you read my messages last night lol, it's the same BS old chaxe had on lights where you lose damage when you cleave through enemies

[elfin steppe]

I'm not having this conversation.

[fleet zealot]

glad you can ping me to feel good about the strawman you made up

[frank night]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwmeH6Rnj2E the small man when the dose hits the vein

[south folio]

sick bastard, romanticizing the his actions of injecting people with drugs

[spare dome]

god i love drugs

like speed

which is not a drug

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/cucuso-trippy-psychedelic-psychedelicguy-crazy-gif-12507069

[ripe quest]

Sounds like a you problem.

[queen island]

I definitely did something to make cole speechless

[elfin steppe]

sure, if that makes you feel better, clearly you have already convinced yourself.

[undone bloom]

so infantry is the best class?

i am very confusion

[queen island]

type of rifle, calm yourself

[coarse birch]

id argue infantry autoguns are the strongest

yeah

[south folio]

i'd consider the infantry to be the strongest yeah

[frank night]

we are all infantry

[undone bloom]

amen

[frank night]

ogryn is infantry XXXL

[undone bloom]

ill gamble all of my funds then

brb

[ripe quest]

Infantry Autoguns are precision weapons that shoot fast, HH's are precision but shoot a bit slower/burst. Brautos are if you want to hold the left click button on enemies until they die.

[spare talon]

my suggested changes (because ive run basically what youre running in the past, but with this tree)
heavy sword is incredibly good at damage overall, so i dropped the damage talents to grab some other ones
bleed for the emperor is not that useful unless youre using martyrdom, so youd get much more value out of the other node, a whole 7.5% toughness on each heavy kill
thy wrath be swift is basically mandatory if you want to have fun, since it grants full melee stun immunity (and ranged, even though it doesnt say, trust me its night and day with this node)
the heavy sword isnt really meant to be a crit weapon, so the sole use of the keystone is for cooldown reduction (which works well due to how much cleave it has inherently, thus how many enemies you can hit per crit), so bumping that up further with the additional 10% and and additional charge in reserve would do wonders

thats pretty much all thats changed, the last thing i just wanna mention is the finer details of the charge, since it has the most going on under the hood that most people dont know about, and since youre gonna have it available a lot, knowing these would be of great use to you
the charge instantly replenishes 50% of your toughness, so you can use it as an "oh shit that hurt" button, plus the more toughness youre stacking on curios, the better this becomes
this increases your attack speed by 20%, including your guns, not just your melee
but why would you use your guns with it when its made for melee? because in the same window as the free melee crit, your ranged weapons also downgrade armor, meaning they deal damage according to the next armor type below it. this means you can turn any weapon into one that can deal with crushers with the press of a button

[south folio]

on zealot i have a preference for the braced autos (primarily the agri brauto)

[spare talon]

bear in mind, nothing mentioned on here has anything to do with what perks, blessings, or stats you have on your weapons

[ripe quest]

There's a lot of differences between them, IAGs and HHs scale way better on Vet. Brautos are prime generalist weapons since they don't need a build or a melee weapon to compliment them.

[coarse birch]

i do like brauto on zealot a lot

esp with chastise

[ripe quest]

imo the Mk III HH and the Columnus IAG are about on-par still, but that's on-paper mostly. If you suck at aiming a burst weapon the HH will suffer.

[queen island]

so I could bean a crusher with a dinky las pistol?

[ripe quest]

But they're also like, small numbers changes away from being balanced with their siblings.

[coarse birch]

i havent used vraks 3 in a minute

[spare talon]

yes
you can do it with flamers too

[fleet zealot]

it's literally workign as intended by the code the missing damage is on the shredding part of the attack

[ripe quest]

esp the Columnus IAG, shit is a .2 finesse shift away from being balanced.

[queen island]

WHAT

[spare talon]

itll deal damage as if it was flak, so it wouldnt obliterate them, but youd be dealing actual decent damage to tehm

[coarse birch]

it could probably use less ammo

although thats also a surv issue

[mossy scarab]

Cole. Less words please.

[fleet zealot]

stubborn idiot can't fathom it's the same issue another weapon used to have

[north sedge]

More words, all the words

[queen island]

do I only get it for one bullet though

[spare talon]

you get it for the 3 second window that the melee would be a crit, indicated by the effect on the outside fo the screen

[queen island]

OH MY GOD

[spare talon]

see what i mean by "your crafted arent what carry you"

sure they help, but theyre not the end all be all

[ripe quest]

8 seconds and a mag of ammo to get rid of theoretically infinite elites and any fodder within ~20 meters. Bulwarks will block the fire though.

[north sedge]

If you do flamer you have to stack the burn first

[ripe quest]

The mag of ammo part only for the Crushers.

Most elites take like, 10 at most

[spare talon]

actually now that i think about it
i know rending increases DOT damage against armor but does the charge also do it if its bleed from scourge for example?

[ripe quest]

It would yes. However, only against Carapace.

Flak damage would be nerfed.

[spare talon]

thats really weird

not the flak part, but the fact that a melee bleed would be affected by the ranged armor downgrade

[mossy scarab]

Trying to fire a recoiless rifle while a pub runs around with the rocket pack he picked up refusing to reload you is peak gameplay

[ripe quest]

I immediately condemned the coop equipment as premade-only.

Not doing that shit with randoms.

[ripe quest]

Well, the bleed was applied with a melee attack but it's not melee bleed.

[mossy scarab]

Yea, the recoilless is the only reliable early game way of dealing with armor though

I mean yea, strategems, but they can miss

[spare talon]

yeah i assumed that the DOT would be coded as ranged damage if it does that

[north sedge]

You can reload yourself if you carry the pack, though it's much slower

[coarse birch]

i should probably pick this game up

[ripe quest]

It's very cool just going around with a grenade launcher and nuking enemies from orbit

Also, just learnt this, but if you hold the reload button you can change a weapon's settings.

[north sedge]

Yea

[ripe quest]

Like, scope range, fire mode, some weapons have alt fires

[north sedge]

And turn on flashlight

[ripe quest]

mhm

[coarse birch]

i am curious about the game

although the only people i know playing it are you guys lol

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-2-helldivers-surprised-shocked-scared-gif-14616193401603705407

[ripe quest]

imagine being a guardsman in whammer fighting necrons and tyranids.

[coarse birch]

i played a very little bit of 1

[ripe quest]

and then you have to play dance dance revolution in order to do the cool stuff

[north sedge]

I mean its starship troopers but if there were robots sometimes

[ripe quest]

it's like, half cool, half insane

It's so weird to compare it to other stuff because it's like a venn diagram but the circles are inches away from overlapping

[north sedge]

The fun one is when the mission has a modifier where your strats are scrambled so you have to super pay attention to what you keyed in before throwing

Cause that supply you called in might actually be the 320mm strike

[ripe quest]

It'll deliver ammo to you just in a unique way

[north sedge]

Well it's by the magicka studio

Hence the goofy sillyness and the key combo stuff

[sharp zodiac]

I love these palicos

[coarse birch]

what am i looking at

[sharp zodiac]

Palicoes

From monster hunter

[coarse birch]

what is the game

[sharp zodiac]

Arknights

[coarse birch]

ah thats why i didnt recognize it lol

[ember yew]

levul 120 dohto reporting in

[gray ice]

I'm from Buenos Aires and I say kill em all

[sharp zodiac]

Why are we killing

When we could blow up things with mind

[gray ice]

I need to go re-watch that

[vestal stirrup]

Helldivers 2 is alot of fun so far

[jaunty lava]

Is shroudfield viable with thammer or is it too much of a meme?

[ember yew]

viable, but too much overkill for bosses

better run relic or dash for more utility

[stable cypress]

Invis still has utility esp if you don't take extra cd for Funny Damage

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers2-gif-3885056539797791168

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-2-helldivers-scream-screaming-gif-8158148092719940170

[median steeple]

The game is so fun

[exotic portal]

https://tenor.com/view/john-travolta-well-where-is-it-looking-for-something-gif-5291661

[exotic portal]

wtf

How?

[maiden path]

40 dollars..........

i'd buy helldivers if it was like 25 bucks

it looks fun

but a co-op game for 40 dollars 2 much

[median steeple]

isnt darktide $40??

[ripe quest]

It's pretty solid for a $40 game

[visual stream]

Is it really co-op if I'm blowing up my friends half the time

[maiden path]

gamepass

[median steeple]

hmmm ohhhh

[maiden path]

im not paying full price for fucking darktide

[median steeple]

I respect that

based

[maiden path]

if helldivers ever goes on sale ill pick it up

looks like starship troopers but fn

[median steeple]

all of my clips from HD2 is just tking by accident

[maiden path]

fun

[ripe quest]

I am fond of running a GL so I can make nests free but then my teammates have fucking deathwishes and decide to walk infront of me while I'm shooting to throw a grenade

[median steeple]

I think I have a clip of argus losing his head to my turret

[ripe quest]

This last game I nuked this one guy like 4 times before he caught on

[median steeple]

https://medal.tv/games/helldivers-2/clips/1U4OH5aVyVDJTP/d1337epf7GGH?invite=cr-MSxLamQsMTk0NjM5OTEyLA

fucking

medla

Augh

[visual stream]

Haven't played the second game yet but loved the first. Did they bring back the nuke?

[median steeple]

I know the 500kg bomb is in HD2 and the hellbomb

[mossy scarab]

Anyone know if the anti-material rifle can penetrate tank bug armor? Or the rail gun for that matter?

[median steeple]

yeah AM should pen crushers

auto should too

rail will go through like anything

iirc

[mossy scarab]

Relying on the recoiless for crushers is a pain. Although I did just 3 shot a bile titan with one which... I didn't think was possible since I previously hit one with 10 rockets before it went down

[median steeple]

autos do not go through crushers

[mossy scarab]

Shame

[median steeple]

just tried it and he walloped me

[mossy scarab]

Not entirely sure why I'd use one then honestly

Im sure it rips apart lighter stuff, but most of that stuff isn't an issue you need a heavy for

[median steeple]

its prob better for robots

[ripe quest]

There are a few that I could describe as a nuke

[vestal stirrup]

30$ cheaper than market standard lol

[visual stream]

Just as god intended

[sharp zodiac]

We are so karkin good

[maiden path]

yea

but still

im pretty broke

15 is like my max price

[maiden path]

wtf is that weapon

scyhhe or longsword skin

[median steeple]

I remember grinding this fucko for hours

[visual stream]

I know this clip wasn't about insect glaive but man insect glaive was so fun, miss playing MHW back when it came out

[fair igloo]

woooo mhw!!

[median steeple]

I cant wait for the new monster hunter

[maiden path]

i can............................................

mhw was the best one

i still liked the underwater one though

forgot its name

on the 3ds

all i use is the heavy bowgun

[visual stream]

Where the three hunting horn mains at

[median steeple]

I just miss some monsters that werent in world

[visual stream]

I'm sure there's at least one in here

[median steeple]

primarily the water ones

[maiden path]

i used to use hutnign horn

got used to it but didnt like it

but goddamn its useful

i used the one that had health boost x3, stamina, and something else

all the guitar ones suck ass which is sad

[visual stream]

I did too, I loved it but some of the combos felt weird

I'm sure partly because I learned the game zooming with glaive but still

[sharp zodiac]

Alatreon ls

Two in a row

[median steeple]

one thing I dont miss from MH is the grinding

but there is a charm to it

[sharp zodiac]

Bruh

I don't even have a SINGLE piece craft able 😭

Two is good enough for me

Even if we kill it in two runs

Anyways I'm gonna eat this blueberry pie

[frank night]

framch

[mossy scarab]

Rise was better

[coarse birch]

send help

[sharp zodiac]

For the first time ever I found someone I can agree on with that

[coarse birch]

teammates were chill at least lol

[sharp zodiac]

Everyone else is usually mhw>rise

[mossy scarab]

Rise had way better mechanics in an actual fight. World has better environments and was prettier but rise had WAY better combat and enemy variety

The prettiness of the environment stops mattering as soon as the stabbing starts

[sharp zodiac]

I do prefer rise's gameplay and the fact that the meta actually isn't just fatalis gear go br

And it also has my favorite monster

[mossy scarab]

Oh yea, switch skills are amazing

[sharp zodiac]

And it got a subspecies

It's mizu

[mossy scarab]

Lunagaron is probably one of my favorites, mizu is definitely top 5 though

[sharp zodiac]

Lunagaron.. actually I don't even know what to say about it

It's not a shite fight

But i can't remember anything besides it's transformations

[mossy scarab]

Malzeno though I think is my favorite monster so far. That fight is fun as fuck

I just like lunagaron because of it's transformation. It sticks out more than other monsters

It's a stupid easy fight though, nothing worth mentioning

[sharp zodiac]

Only monster I didn't really enjoy was volvidon and gravios, the bears besides the polar bear

I meant basarios

I get them mixed up

[coarse birch]

almudoron or wtf his name was can suck my nuts

[mossy scarab]

Almudron is fine. I just hated that I had to farm him I think 50 times for a build

Or maybe it's because his armor was sick as fuck and I wanted to transmog it

[sharp zodiac]

A lot of fire monsters in rise now that I think about it

And only two brute wyverns

No wonder I liked the game

[mossy scarab]

Yea, world was ALL wyverns, more or less. No variety

Diablos can suck my nuts in every game he appears in

Fuck diablos

[coarse birch]

yeah diablos is mad annoying

im a world fan but diablos is annoying

[sharp zodiac]

I actually didn't mind diablos

[coarse birch]

i also had to hunt him 12 times for 2 horns

cause my luck was ass

my friend had like 10

by the time i got 2

[sharp zodiac]

I hated anjanath

[mossy scarab]

Getting horns is my worst nightmare because I run dual blades.

[coarse birch]

i actually like anjanath

he beat my ass first playthrough though

i had no clue what i was doing

[mossy scarab]

Anjanath is fine. It's not an interesting fight. He just serves as an early skill check

[sharp zodiac]

Flaming espinas is my favorite to fight

Works perfectly for charge blade

[mossy scarab]

Purple Nergigante is also not bad.

[coarse birch]

idk why but i liked CB less in rise to world

[mossy scarab]

I forget it's name

[coarse birch]

as a solo CB in world

i like it more now

after it got more skills

[sharp zodiac]

I'm the other way around

[sharp zodiac]

Magnamalo

[mossy scarab]

I tried CB, it was fine. I liked it. But Rise's switch axe is fucking nuts

[coarse birch]

i like bow/CB/DB in rise

most

[sharp zodiac]

I liked the lbg in rise but after fighting primorbial I don't want to ever leave my CB again

Ls is nice too

[mossy scarab]

I love DB, most used weapon by far, but it is absolute bullshit. There's not a single attack in the game you can't parry with them and it's the easiest parry in the game with the most generous timing by far

Rise DB I should specify. It doesn't get a parry in world

[coarse birch]

it has a parry in rise

did i miss that

[sharp zodiac]

I love world dual blades and I REALLY want to use it in rise

[coarse birch]

i havent played in a minute

[sharp zodiac]

But I DON'T want to collect every elemental and curio augment it to unlock its max element again

I already did it with CB, never again

[mossy scarab]

Yea, one of it's wirebug skills, you pull yourself forward and if at any point during movement you come into contact with an attack it parries with a rpetty strong counter

And it parries everything. Including instant death explosions

[coarse birch]

damn

guess ill have to try that if i play again

[mossy scarab]

I'm half way certain it could parry extremoth from world's ecliptic meteor if it existed in rise

[sharp zodiac]

Wish my cb could do that, can't even block a rathalos stomp without it being a specific angle because of its hitbox

Only nitpick involving rise really, just goofy hitboxes on some monsters

Especially arial

[coarse birch]

thats my biggest issue with it

ik its to compensate for wirebug

but sometimes i just try to dodge a move normally and get hit and im very sad

like i can be behind barioths shoulder check and get hit

whys the hitbox his whole body

😭

tbf i hate barrioth anyway

[sharp zodiac]

I hate him too

But I wish icefang barioth came back

But I'll make do with what I have

I wish I could change the colour on the neck fur

[median steeple]

god that set looks so good

[sharp zodiac]

One of my biggest greivences with world was I couldn't change the guild palace's co'ours because of the alpha beta rule

And the layered armour was alpha

[median steeple]

[woeful dome]

Is this Monster Hunter?

[sharp zodiac]

Yes

[elfin steppe]

Do you guys feel sometimes stun nades can't stun all the targets in an area

[sharp zodiac]

Not really, feels like it does it's part

[coarse birch]

i forgot about the alpha beta thing

[sharp zodiac]

The beta sets were always the better ones

Better jewels and skills

[coarse birch]

i went off which looked cooler

tbh

[woeful dome]

Beta just has more slots right?

[coarse birch]

unless i happened to relaly care about the slots in that case

[woeful dome]

Alpha is cheaper to get i guess

Technically

[sharp zodiac]

Yes

And sometimes alpha DID look cooler

[woeful dome]

Imma be controversial and say that I think every single MH armor looks kinda mid

Like most aren't bad

But nothing stands out

[coarse birch]

nah some are pretty fire

[woeful dome]

It's just a gobble of weird anima parts

[coarse birch]

yeah part of the appeal is just making myself look as insane as possible lol

[sharp zodiac]

I hate what they did with the returning monster weapon sets

Like what the hell did you do to the branch set

Bracky

H

[median steeple]

Damascus I liked

[coarse birch]

yeah i run a knight look in rise

in world i think i used glav armor

transmog

[sharp zodiac]

I used icefang with alatreon's leggings

Very revealing legs for your thighs tho

[coarse birch]

tbf thats just MH female armor

in my exp

its like how un armorey can we make this

[misty raven]

Did you get MH Yato?

[median steeple]

HBG with damascus or I think the girros set

loved being a knight with a gun

[coarse birch]

i have never used the guns

its like all i havent used

and HH just cause i dont wanna run it solo

and my friends dont really play anymore

[median steeple]

the guns are fun but sometimes

are a pain in the ass

and the normal BG is boring imo

[coarse birch]

i liked bow

the ammo stuff always put me off of guns

idk how complex it actually is tho

[median steeple]

iirc not that complex

[coarse birch]

oh actually i never used lance or gun lance ether

damn

slacking

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah

[median steeple]

gunlance

now I remember

[coarse birch]

ive been debating revisting MH with Wilds being announced

[median steeple]

shit was fun as hell flying with it

[coarse birch]

cause im sure ill no life that

[sharp zodiac]

You will

[woeful dome]

That's rise though
World gun lance is so ground based 😔

[sharp zodiac]

It's the will

[coarse birch]

thank you for confirming luna

[sharp zodiac]

I really hope the skills n shit from rise comes to wilds

That stuff was TOO good to just let be forgotten

[coarse birch]

yeah i wouldnt mind that part

even if i want a more worldish mh

[median steeple]

yeah I know

I hope in wilds it will fly

I wonder

will the mount get armour

[sharp zodiac]

Who knows

But I'll still be using my two cats if I can

Just like rise where I neglected my dog

Never noticed how worse my aim is if I stand still

[coarse birch]

were you standing still when you typed this

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah usually when I aim I'm moving to adjust

[coarse birch]

depends on the game for me

[wraith helm]

If i was runing a crit mk 15 evisc, would using blazing piety be a good option? or is that too much crit

[coarse birch]

you would run blazing yeah

[obtuse stirrup]

"Too much crit"

Don't like having your ability ready every 5s huh?

[wraith helm]

No, i just like making sure i get everything i can out of my build. I didnt know if momentum was better or just having more crit would be better

[gilded lintel]

When running uncanny strike is it better to try and just headshot crushers or should I still go for backstabs?

On dagger built with infiltrate

[coarse birch]

headshots

[gilded lintel]

Lights until 5 stack, then heavies?

[coarse birch]

just do heavies

do the head

good chance you already have uncanny stacks up anyway

[fleet zealot]

the onyl way to get too much crit is to take bloodthirsty+ other sources of crit chance

[meager needle]

backstab out of ur infiltrate, other than that use headshots

[fleet zealot]

backstab their head

[meager needle]

but you can do headshots from behind

ye

[obtuse stirrup]

Makes you regret being a shorty tbh