it is just funny to watch people do dumb shit with stealth tbf
#zealot-class
royal vortex
i watched a fkin COMMANDO stealth from 6 poxwalkers to get to the extraction on consignment yard faster
ripe quest
Of course, that's funny and happens all the time. I'm just referring to basing the performance of the build on that, instead of realizing that person sucks with the build.
brave sundial
What is the zealot meta these days, haven't played in like a year
spare talon
oooohh now i know what youre talkin about
brave sundial
Now I have no clue about the game hahahaha
ripe quest
What is the zealot meta these days, haven't played in like a year
It's shifted in a lot of ways since a year ago.
spare talon
idk why but actually reading the word reminded me of a character from a show my brother told me about quite a long time ago and i was confused as fuck
south folio
i watched a fkin COMMANDO stealth from 6 poxwalkers to get to the extraction on ...
movement speed maxxing
ripe quest
Basically, any melee weapon works. Achlys Caxe, Taxe, and Knife take the most effort to perform well with but can be viable w/ a build and skillset for them. As for ranged weapons people are leaning into the Columnus IAG, Revolver, Flamer, and Brautos.
You can run basically anything, I'd avoid infantry lasguns though.
brave sundial
so the bolt gun aint the way anymore?
stable cypress
Now I have no clue about the game hahahaha
You got actual build choices besides "twbs or holy rev" sorry lol
ripe quest
It's fine but it isn't as nuts as it was.
brave sundial
yea lasguns have always sucked tho haha
ripe quest
Lasguns do fine, it's just not having suppresion immunity like Vet can get hurts it a lot.
brave sundial
yea
royal vortex
stable cypress
Lasguns got powercreeped by laspistols but also yeah vets use them better in.multiple ways
ripe quest
Autopistol is also a bit malnourished. If you want general blessings/perks we got a weapon table in pins.
royal vortex
bolter works u just cant point it at literally any problem and remove it for minimal cost
brave sundial
i played just before and seemed to fine on lvl 4 with what i had set up from a year ago
just thought i'd check in here and see whats the latest
yea i found i just ended up melee'ing everything cos it took so long to get it out hahaha
so i figure changing it out for something quicker might be best
ripe quest
Lasguns got powercreeped by laspistols but also yeah vets use them better in.mul...
On Zealot yeah. w/ Vet lasguns offer a different kit than laspistols.
obtuse stirrup
yea i found i just ended up melee'ing everything cos it took so long to get it o...
If you like Bolter, consider running throwing knife
You can throw a knife as you equip the Bolter to accelerate the draw time
But Zarona Revolver is God tier now, you can draw it and shoot instantly and it's more inpactful than a Bolter, and it pierces crazy well
Shoot through a crowd to kill a sniper or Gunner on the other side
2-shot ogryn, 3-shot Crushers if you stop to charge up Surgical
Plus the reload animation is better than sex
(insert revolver ocelot copypasta)
Lots of good talent builds. Imo incendiary grenades are generally best but all are good.
I like fury of the Faithful with blazing Piety keystone most of the time
Any time your toughness gets nicked, hit F and gain it straight back
brave sundial
DIS GUD AXE?
oops caps
please excuse
treat me like a noob
its almost like it's a brand new game to me now lol
obtuse stirrup
Tac axes are bad now
brave sundial
oh
brave sundial
fair
obtuse stirrup
But as far as tac axes go, that one is great
Just change the perks and it will be as good as it can get
obtuse stirrup
Bad stats and I am not a fan of double bleed blessings
obtuse stirrup
But I am only a beginner knife pervert
If you want some good melee weapons
I have a lot of fun with Heavy Sword IX
Crusher is great now, and there is a good guide in the pins here
I think the new Eviscerator XV is very popular and easy to use
brave sundial
brave sundial
i guess i have a lot to learn and play around with now lol
ember yew
VI and IX are top tier, but VII is a BIT STRANGE, i dont like it personally
obtuse stirrup
Thunderhammers are both good but classically awkward still
obtuse stirrup
Ironhelm is the easier one, Crucis is the fiddly one with the higher ceiling
obtuse stirrup
Ding ding ding
ripe quest
bleed was OP back when i played
Back at launch bleed had a bug where it ramped up too much. It was patched a long while ago and also has since received nerfs.
brave sundial
i can upgrade it or whatever its called
ember yew
this is ok to use
ember yew
almost top tier, just low stats
obtuse stirrup
Headtaker is a must
ember yew
a bit lower*
obtuse stirrup
Deathblow or Rampage for second blessing, in that order of priority
ember yew
upgrade it to max and if blessing 2 is not Rampage or Deathblow, replace it with one of those, i prefer Deathblow on IX, its perfect for heavy attack spam
obtuse stirrup
What else is good...
ripe quest
Tac axes are bad now
Well, they've been 'bad' for a bit but they're fine if you can get the most out of them. Esp the Mk II. Basically just a fast Caxe if you can hit BPs.
Chainsword is extremely overtuned rn.
Dclaw is fun.
brave sundial
would i be better off upgrading this one or the exalted one
obtuse stirrup
I know nothing about chainswords but I want to
ripe quest
Chaxe is viable rn
brave sundial
this one already has deathblow
light holly
upgrade it to max and if blessing 2 is not Rampage or Deathblow, replace it with...
Headtaker ain't bad either
brave sundial
and better stats from what i see
ripe quest
Chainsword has baseline absurd crowd damage. Out competes Hsword, Caxe, Dclaw. With Martyr it's competitive with a Flamer.
obtuse stirrup
Probably upgrade that I guess, although specialists is oof
light holly
I got my rampage, headtaker hsword
obtuse stirrup
First target is very important
ripe quest
For a couple reasons this isn't perfect but you can see how potent this is. This is no talents, 100 pox benchmark.
#1 is due to Crusher being in perfect conditions for the benchmark, followed closely by 4 chainsword entries.
obtuse stirrup
By the God empirical
royal vortex
crusherchads win again
ripe quest
I also like that test because the Mk VII Taxe beats out two Dclaws
very funny
and Antax beats Rashad there too
brave sundial
whats the best perk to replace the specialists perk with
the other one ive got is 25% to maniacs
carapace?
ripe quest
You talking about the Hsword you posted that has DB T3?
brave sundial
fair
obtuse stirrup
Heavy swords can kill Carapace but it's not their niche
brave sundial
You talking about the Hsword you posted that has DB T3?
yes
obtuse stirrup
Flak maybe
brave sundial
yea righto
ripe quest
Depends on the build and breakpoints
ripe quest
Flak is a safe call but smth like +Elites might offer more.
You can always change it later too.
Yeah just swap Perfect Strike to Headtaker and you're set.
ripe quest
Zarona Revolver w/ Hand-Cannon + Surgical
Ideally grab Anoint, otherwise it carries itself. Perks would depend on the revolver you have.
brave sundial
obtuse stirrup
Definitely Zarona, not the new one
brave sundial
so im guessing this aint good
ripe quest
I personally aim for small elites a lot so I use +Flak +Elites.
obtuse stirrup
You have to know the joy of reloading bullet by bullet
ripe quest
If you swap both blessings that'd be a decent one for now.
brave sundial
I only have surgical on my bolt gun and id like to keep that 😦
ripe quest
You'd have to find surgical on a revolver.
Blessings don't go between weapon families.
ripe quest
Yup. That's why you can find a 4k+ hour player that still doesn't have a perfect roll on certain weapons.
brave sundial
yea fair
ya'll aussies by any chance?
looking for some regulars to play with
my mates loved the game then dipped and won't come back hahaha
rigid trellis
i do be but also #vox-lfg-apac is for australia
cerulean moth
polar nexus
ya'll aussies by any chance?
I live quite close to Australia
sinful widget
Can you sink it?
brave sundial
cheers for the help lads
ember yew
cheers for the help lads
Basically default MK9 sword, with either Deathblow or Rampage blessing instead of DB
polar nexus
cheers for the help lads
if you're a regular damn or auric player we may have played together
solar jungle
is anyone doing hardcore on the twins ?
lusty turtle
is anyone doing hardcore on the twins ?
prob best to check #vox-lfg-lexicanum
and the associated chats
solar jungle
will do..
sinful widget
What's the attack pattern for hordes on the ironhelm?
ember yew
i don't use it, but the most basic one was H1 - H2 - blockcancel - repeat
afaik
you can also power up with special
since it will cleave low mass targets
good for memes and small density, however in horde it's not that optimal to power up each time
hollow mantle
Oh Evan
Gave Columbus braced auto a whirl
Yeah
You right
Is good
Now I need to make a perfect one >.>
frank night
hadron welcomes ur currency
hollow mantle
Hadron could retire off of my one fucking zealot
Every time I get up to like 8-9k plasteel
And think I have everything I could ever want
Turns out
There's something else cool to try and I need to make a deposit in mommy hadron and grandpa brundts bottomless pits
I'm afraid to play another class because I'll have to make new gear and I don't wanna go through this horseshit again
solar gorge
by the time you reach 30 you'll have made to craft a bit
the trick is to not spend anything from level 1 to 30
hollow mantle
Oh for sure
I just look at all the resources Ive burned to get my zealot to a spot I like
And the like
900 hours I have in it
And know I'll need so much to get anything else to a similar spot
But to be fair I have just about everything you could want
solar gorge
I have 900 hours aswell and i got all classes to 30 and they're all geared out
solar gorge
you don't need "perfect" anyway
having a suboptimal roll on 1 thing won't kill your weapon
little thicket
The closest i got was a 550 knife with crit chance, flak. Uncanny, executor.
hollow mantle
Oh sure. Nothing needs to be perfect
But I have every blessing at tier 4 that can get there, or maybe missing like 1 or 2
And a couple load outs for each of the weapons I like to use
With good enough high end rolls
Getting a knife set up with the tier 4 blessings I wanted took a really fucking long time
And yeah of course tier 4 isn't needed
That's not really the point though
little thicket
Well i wanted a 380 with flak, unyielding. Uncanny, lacerate.
hollow mantle
Same, but riposte instead of lacerate xD
little thicket
Lacerate is better for the purposes im using it.
Hitting heads against targets is a pipe dream.
ember yew
Gave Columbus braced auto a whirl
Uncanny/Riposte is the knife im looking for
i have Uncanny/Precog and precog uptime is sht
il take permanent 20% critchance instead (2s vs 6s)
they could make it at least 3 sec so it will synergize with Duelist
but for some stupid reason it's 2 secs
quasi marsh
The precog proc is really just to land beeg hits on crushers
You can 2 shot them
Riposte is comfy 3 shot
quasi marsh
Ya
It's basically guaranteed
So very comfy 3 shot
Precog has faster kills on bosses and crushers but it's just sweatier
open echo
Guh
ember yew
you cant hide from me
technically if they implement streamer mode
that will hide player profile, info, etc
unless its already in the game
royal vortex
just remember we didnt get scoreboard but we got to see the exact stat/blessing roll on ppls weapons
north sedge
and skill tree
polar nexus
stalking is not toxic /s
open echo
just remember we didnt get scoreboard but we got to see the exact stat/blessing ...
People still complain about this too
royal vortex
like even before they had show loadout mods
u would go
"are u bringing a flamer"
back in the days when it was a 50/50 if u were about to get a 3 flamer lobby or not
ember yew
when i started darktide, i used Info mod to inspect overperforming people to get an idea on builds
and weapons/perks/blessings/etc
since this cursed game won't allow me to do so
but i wanted info
coarse birch
Yeah i think ive always run loadout mod
In case we end up severly lacking something for some reason
open echo
People still complain about this too
I’ve had someone saying when someone took slightly long to ready “pls stop looking at my stuff”
royal vortex
oh i rolled a new deimos
coarse birch
I rolled a new psword
royal vortex
i am so
so close to liking the deimos moveset
but the fact that l1 h2 is not a self contained loop
is madness
open echo
Power glaive
royal vortex
part of my weapon design philosophy (in case i ever storm fatshark hq at gunpoint and demand weapon changes) is that moveset cancelling should never happen
oak ermine
is madness
Looping L into H2 is also “fine”, especially since it’s the damage from H2 matters, not L1
coarse birch
However i dont find myself needing to l1 h2 that many times in succession thankfully
oak ermine
And it’s much, much easier to do
royal vortex
like legitimately having to stop swinging a weapon even if only for a very brief reset is just lame
oak ermine
L1 comes out very quickly and it’s impossible to time it, and H2 can be timed very well
coarse birch
I dont mind it cause they give you multiple ways to do it at least
But yeah you probably shouldn't have to
royal vortex
i mean its straight up like
"you have this combo, it's worse unless you do something you don't actually want to do"
coarse birch
Hey thats like my exact deimos
royal vortex
but i guess
what u could really say
is this would be fine in a perfect world
where the 2 "new" force swords have specializations and thus make moveset sacrifices for it
but the obscurus can do like w/e it wants so long as u know the moveset well
open echo
Is the mk2 even any good
coarse birch
Is that obscurus
royal vortex
the obscurus is a passable weapon
coarse birch
Its fine
oak ermine
Is the mk2 even any good
In comparison to the other options, or in a vacuum?
coarse birch
Just outclassed
ember yew
part of my weapon design philosophy (in case i ever storm fatshark hq at gunpoin...
but it's been happening since Vermintide 1
coarse birch
Like you could def use it
ember yew
so for like 8+ years
open echo
In comparison to the other options, or in a vacuum?
Comp
coarse birch
Hp buffs didnt help it prob
oak ermine
Just pick Deimos or Illisi, there’s no good reason to use Obscurus other than handicapping yourself or gaming with style
coarse birch
I have debated trying it again for fun
It was like fine back when psyker melee was ass
oak ermine
Well, before the other two options arrived, it was good
coarse birch
And it was the one force sword
royal vortex
it was good in a very different and arguably much less difficult (at least in melee) game
when slaught was 75% enemy density and hp was lower and u straight up did not have much viable competition
frosty herald
its good that we can see loadouts cause some people have very strange setups
polar nexus
was it good even tho psyker could use caxe with og bm?
coarse birch
It wasn't bm caxe no
frosty herald
can force sword even roll brutal momentum
coarse birch
No
polar nexus
no
frosty herald
sad
polar nexus
god forbid
royal vortex
deimos h2 with bm would be some vile shit
polar nexus
like a shovel
royal vortex
@coarse birch oh my god
the cleaving lights on deimos and obscurus
are identical damage wise
oh my god so are the cleave heavies
what the fuck
they literally just made a straight upgrade
oak ermine
Obscurus also has bad looping attacks
royal vortex
these numbers are awful im glad i never actually looked at them before
coarse birch
Deimos lights minus l1 are pretty mid without slaugh going
coarse birch
But there is a reason deimos is just h2 the weapon mostly
royal vortex
dude
fk u would have to do so much more to this weapon
than just a crusher rework
coarse birch
Can you headshot reliably with the l1
royal vortex
what the FUCK is an assassin attack
coarse birch
I always assumed it was like the h2
royal vortex
Can you headshot reliably with the l1
the question is "are you planning on playing every game as if you are imitating tinyangrycrab"
coarse birch
Or duelling sword heavies
oak ermine
what the FUCK is an assassin attack
Basically low cleave, low damage, high finesse attack 
royal vortex
Basically low cleave, low damage, high finesse attack <:whatthefuck_heresy:10497...
my 200 flak damage baseline
pog
coarse birch
So its just high effort deimos l1
coarse birch
my 200 flak damage baseline
Wtf is that
coarse birch
Disgusting
coarse birch
Maybe i wont try obscurus for fun
royal vortex
with a substantially easier to hit animation
dude
this weapon is unironically given to prisoners at guantanamo bay
its like the darktide version of playing babyshark for a week straight
coarse birch
And to think it used to be one of our better melees
royal vortex
what do u even do with obscurus
without touching the other 2
unironically current day dt balance makes creating weapon identity super fucking hard
because u cant even go "make the adms weirder"
it has UNCANNY
adms aren't even REAL
coarse birch
Well uncanny should probably be taken out back and shot
That is my concern with future weapons is identity
Even the current new weapons can struggle with jt
But yeah it doesnt help adms can be destroyed by one blessing
royal vortex
oh my god
what the fk
its easier to hit a headshot with the uppercut than the strikedown on an ai inactive rager
royal vortex
the stagger puts his head down and forwards
idk why the strikedown isnt headshotting sometimes
am i standing too close
coarse birch
I was gonna test if i could make a build that makes ds2/obscurus worth running even if its memey
Maybe ill just do ds2
royal vortex
just do ds2
coarse birch
I like illisi/deimos anyway
royal vortex
coarse birch
So obscurus isnt a huge deal to me
nimble fiber
illisi my beloved
royal vortex
i wonder if obscurus has body/head neutrality
royal vortex
old vet shovel had this issue until the new ones came out
where it wasnt bodyshot prio but total neutrality
@south folio the roomba may know more
coarse birch
It maybe not have headshot prio since new force swords are old at this point
I dont think they were messing with priority as much back then
calm salmon
i wonder if obscurus has body/head neutrality
bitching about the obscurus again?
sad weapon is sad
coarse birch
A man can dream
royal vortex
at this point i am genuinely astonished it turned out this way
calm salmon
its just power maul but psyker-ized
royal vortex
because the numbers vs animations point out some very concerning things
royal vortex
especially if u are comparing it to the 2 force swords that come out after
calm salmon
marginal buffs and then forgotten about for other stuff
royal vortex
i am actually really curious what was going on in the guy who designed the force swords' mind
oak ermine
i am actually really curious what was going on in the guy who designed the force...
In what sense?
calm salmon
illisi and deimos are fine. . . ish. I hate their activation mechanics but whatever.
The actual weapons are at least fine.
Its just obscurus that's uh. . . redhead stepchild
royal vortex
like the obscurus just has no redeeming qualities
so my question is how did this turn out the way it did
because it doesnt feel like it takes a lot of analysis to figure that out
oak ermine
Negligence
coarse birch
It truly feels like a relic of its time
calm salmon
fatshark has a million things on their plate
coarse birch
Although it had those issues back then too
oak ermine
FS doesn’t really care about balancing the game constantly, unless people unilaterally scream at something being out of place
grizzled tusk
Maniacs or Flak for Columnus Braced on Zealot specifically...?
calm salmon
so weapons like the obscurus and power maul, krourk stubber - get forgotten
totally unuseable weapons compared to their brethren
and they're still here untouched anyway
¯_(ツ)_/¯
royal vortex
Maniacs or Flak for Columnus Braced on Zealot specifically...?
both but if you have to choose one ur shooting flak guys way more often
coarse birch
Yeah id go flak
frosty herald
Its just obscurus that's uh. . . redhead stepchild
redheads are beautiful so this doesnt work 
calm salmon
redheads are beautiful so this doesnt work <:dabron:1099703391711678607>
based
one of us one of us
calm salmon
dont come crying to me if she turns your. . . bits. . . into actual bits
royal vortex
@coarse birch alright
coarse birch
Alright
royal vortex
the uppercut and strikedown heavies
have identical damage properties to l1 h2
and u can loop them
so what u do for horde clear
is fucking SPIN the camera with h1 l2
and if ur fast enough u lose zero value
frosty herald
<@&735928989146939404> nsfw gif being posted
calm salmon
remember, you can dodge into the direction of an attack to help with camera dragging
coarse birch
I see
coarse birch
Very sane weapon
calm salmon
if you dont wanna go full yolo 360 spinster mlg clip compilation youtuber
royal vortex
embrace beyblade
calm salmon
I run my mouse on 400dpi
oak ermine
and if ur fast enough u lose zero value
But the question is, is this something you truly want to do?
frosty herald
zealot twinblade
severe patrol
<@&735928989146939404> nsfw gif being posted
coarse birch
400 dpi gang
oak ermine
Do you want to be a beyblade?
coarse birch
I would unironically need more desk to beyblade
royal vortex
Do you want to be a beyblade?
no
copper hawk
BEAR !!!!!!
frosty herald
you cant remove a gif being continously posted with the intent to harass me?
calm salmon
same
severe patrol
you cant remove a gif being continously posted with the intent to harass me?
I already deleted it so I dunno
anyway
royal vortex
I would unironically need more desk to beyblade
get DPI buttons
severe patrol
frosty herald
anyway thanks
coarse birch
I have dpi buttons
calm salmon
just limited mouse space
vocal pulsar
Idiot
calm salmon
nice one josho
royal vortex
suffer
calm salmon
good ping, good ping
coarse birch
However anything above 400 dpi and i feel like i cant function
calm salmon
400 dpi or bust
royal vortex
just turn it off the moment u arent farming poxwalkers
calm salmon
oh well
this is why I play ogryn
bbmk4 go swoosh
no need to do weird camera things
coarse birch
This is too much work for not enough reward
calm salmon
just literally stand still and mulch hordes
coarse birch
I dont even get cool points
calm salmon
Yeah I don't like the ogryn shovels
I don't think any one of them are particularly good
I can rate them fairly, I guess
they're A-tier
vocal pulsar
I don't think any one of them are particularly good
@royal vortex
calm salmon
but holy fuck I hate using all three of them
vocal pulsar
Tell him
coarse birch
Josho cooks with them i will say
frosty herald
legit the only reason i use the brute brainer 3 is for horizontal heavies uncharged
royal vortex
the mk5 is stupidly overpowered
calm salmon
I mean, that's not the shovel
royal vortex
the 19 at least makes u suffer
vocal pulsar
I have seen josho literally kill 3 crushers in one swing
royal vortex
i mean even w/o bm it just feels like the mk1 club but better
calm salmon
like all three shovels
coarse birch
I have seen josho literally kill 3 crushers in one swing
It goes up to 4 😭
calm salmon
I mean, yeah, it IS two horizontal heavies
instead of just 1
so of course it feels like mk1 club but better
frosty herald
the heavy charge is wayy too slow
royal vortex
better maniac damage, kills crushers in one swing
calm salmon
But I also don't really like the mk1 or 2 clubs
royal vortex
horde clear that isnt a test of patience
frosty herald
like a flat 2 seconds before the swing comes out
coarse birch
Oh was it 4 maulers he got then
royal vortex
damage is uncapped so bleed applies to everything
frosty herald
shovel special heavies are cracked tho
calm salmon
aye
they do funny things to bosses
a showcase of "lol alpha" on display
how much damage does that do
yes
much like thunder hammer in that regard
royal vortex
shovel + bullrush + rock = cspawn/plogryn dead before it does anything
u can just bully it into a corner
calm salmon
not quite to the same degree, but jesus
calm salmon
i dunno
i stick with the bbmk3 and krourk mk4 these days
I really don't like ogryn's other melees
too thematical, not really fun to use
royal vortex
i find the knives incredibly unsatisfying to use
coarse birch
I like the mk4
calm salmon
the shovels and clubs just make me feel slow
royal vortex
but u can make the case this is in part because ogryn horde clear is at a really fucking bizarre balance point
frank night
FOURMAULAHONEFREEM
frosty herald
The thing with the vet shovels is why use them when the mk5 powersword exists
solar gorge
powersword is boring
royal vortex
dude i was tired as FUCK when this clip was made i am not responsible for the dumb shit i say
frank night
dude i was tired as FUCK when this clip was made i am not responsible for the du...
this is ur natural state
calm salmon
but u can make the case this is in part because ogryn horde clear is at a really...
they literally used the sauron scene in lotr: fellowship as a starting point for ogryn melee
solar gorge
and it's dodge limits are garabge
calm salmon
but without the actual killing
like
all of ogryn's melee has been incredibly bad for a year straight
until oct 4
because of that one fucking scene
royal vortex
part of the problem is
heavy attacks get basically over 100% damage boosts
with thrust crunch and the skullbreaker tree being what it is
royal vortex
heavy hitter to a decent extent too
frosty herald
I wish fatshark did a heavy weapons update with greatswords other 2 handed weapons and heavy ranged weapons
royal vortex
and what this has done is taken the previous state of ogryn which was largely lobotomite m1 spam
and made it lobotomite m1 holding
coarse birch
And you can taunt for free on push for extra damage
royal vortex
the pendulum has shifted but the problem hasnt changed
calm salmon
ogryn doesn't uh
have enough mobility
for anything else though
which is a design problem but whatever
big man be slow I guess
royal vortex
ogryn is just comically bad feeling to play relative to the other human classes
coarse birch
Yeah ogryn probably needs like a full rebalancing
calm salmon
So its hard to not wanna make him stupidly tanky which feeds into the "brainoff hold mouse 1" or "brainoff mash mouse 1"
royal vortex
they just gotta suck it up and tune down the passive defence and give him more active options
/enable active options to feel less terrible
crab floated the idea of giving ogryn dodges a built in form of trample so u can kinda dial back the comical baseline dr without feeling substantially worse
calm salmon
rework his mobility from the ground up so he isn't slower than everyone else unless he's carrying a cleaver
that'd be a nice start
or yeah
kerillian's talent
coarse birch
Yeah ogryn should probably not get stuck on a poxwalker
calm salmon
all dodges always dodge
frank night
crab floated the idea of giving ogryn dodges a built in form of trample so u can...
did it come with a pepe packing an entire wedding cake
royal vortex
not this time
coarse birch
Esp if they wanna play into ogryn being a big tank
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nor did it have a wizard hat
calm salmon
because she ignores enemies due to being a ghost or fuckin whatever fantasy nonsense
just let ogryn bowl over enemies when dodging
royal vortex
also im ngl
calm salmon
to make up for his shit tier dodge counts and distances
royal vortex
heavyweight is one of those really cool talents
that probably shouldnt do all the stuff it does
royal vortex
and 30% dr
royal vortex
ogryn's movespeed is probably the thing i have the least issue with
on the list of things i wanna see changed
because in general the action speed is what kills me
calm salmon
eh, his movespeed isn't even bad unless you're using shield
but its definitely a notable drawback on clubs when trying to dip duck dodge or whatever dodgeball the movie said
coarse birch
Dodge duck dip dive and dodge?
placid fiber
dodge duck dip dive and dodge...?
calm salmon
yeah that's it
placid fiber
coarse birch
Ogryns never felt like awful to play to me
royal vortex
ogryn has a bunch of moves you cannot cancel into a block fast enough to react to certain threats like poxbursters
calm salmon
I mean, i love ogryn
coarse birch
But worse than the other classes for sure
coarse birch
Esp zealot cause he has twbs
royal vortex
my stupid slug brain enjoys ogryn because of the vibes
but also like i think ogryn has the most existential design issues that would take the most effort to address compared to say like vet where u can fix some of the problems by just making talents into different things
whereas ogryn is like
calm salmon
I'm not really super sure how I feel about damage reduction on ogryn though
royal vortex
even the baseline gameplay isnt really where it should be
coarse birch
Ogryns tree needs to be redone entirely essentially and thats just a start
calm salmon
I don't really wanna have to go back to grenadier gauntlet because shooters are ripping me a new asshole again
royal vortex
the problem is that ogryn gets so much fucking dr for free
calm salmon
Maybe I just got ogryn pilled by invulnerability
royal vortex
with 0 to minimal cost
even old vet popped an ult to tank a sniper shot to toughness
coarse birch
And you can just run all toughness curios
royal vortex
ogryn u can do it just by virtue of having a lot of skull meat
coarse birch
Cause you dont need stam or health at all
open pollen
I kinda wish there was more in his kit to encourage blocking over dodging. He has more than any other class, with payback and attention seeker and such, but I would enjoy like, a timed block mechanic.
coarse birch
Combined with toughness on heavy attack
obtuse stirrup
Yeah, how do you make an Ogryn feel like a Ogryn and also feel balanced without making them frustratingly slow
obtuse stirrup
I kinda wish there was more in his kit to encourage blocking over dodging. He ha...
hold devil's claw like toothpick
royal vortex
Yeah, how do you make an Ogryn feel like a Ogryn and also feel balanced without ...
u play more into the active characteristics of being a big angry slab of meat
calm salmon
Yeah, how do you make an Ogryn feel like a Ogryn and also feel balanced without ...
yeah, on this point, rippers are the PERFECT example of "thematic but bad"
royal vortex
ogryn is strong and can knock guys over so instead of solving ogryn innately taking more damage by just giving him a shit ton of free dr
calm salmon
And I guess I just don't trust fatshark to keep ogryn thematic and good
obtuse stirrup
yeah, on this point, rippers are the PERFECT example of "thematic but bad"
also rumblah
royal vortex
u let him ignore some of the limitations imposed by going "i dont give a fuck about this poxwalker i dodge through him"
coarse birch
Rippers got kinda left behind with everything
royal vortex
because this is really strong but you have to actually do something cool to make use of it
coarse birch
Very sad
calm salmon
You CAN do work with them
obtuse stirrup
Sacrificed at the altar of the holy Kickback
coarse birch
Doesnt help can opener is not unique anymore
royal vortex
give kickback the rumbler ammo pool
coarse birch
Rending is not a rare thing to have
obtuse stirrup
And Ogryn's anti-elite weapons feel way better for horde clear than they used to now
so you're not pigeonholed into taking a knife if you wanna kill the horde
calm salmon
yeah, here we go
from a few days ago
I was using the ripper mk2
clearly not impossible
but jesus the amount of effort
604 ammo picked up
obtuse stirrup
It used to be you more or less needed a ripper because otherwise your knife couldn't get through shit, and it was the only option that didn't have a dogshit reload
grenade gauntlet maybe, but that gun always made me sad
obtuse stirrup
not good enough at shooter cleanup
calm salmon
because GG was super responsive to changes in matches
obtuse stirrup
BB+Ripper V did everything
calm salmon
but GG is uh. . . mediocre now.
coarse birch
Well back then shooters were far less common
royal vortex
i defended +carapace on the mk2 ripper for a long time because u could 2-burst a crusher with only one stab
calm salmon
Long reload, low mag count
royal vortex
and so when u found the like
calm salmon
it lost its 2sbp on crushers
royal vortex
one or two crusher masses per game
u would just destroy them
but now elites spawn in fkin clown cars
is sad life
calm salmon
yeah, that's the biggest problem with rippers
obtuse stirrup
but now I can kill crushers on most of my classes with an autogun if I want to
calm salmon
You get 21 rounds on a 78% ammo roll
or something like that
and each shot does 550 damage sure, on the mk2
obtuse stirrup
and on my ogryn, mark IV cleaver is good now and it actually does kill crushers... eventually.
calm salmon
but its 21 pellets
obtuse stirrup
and that's like the low point
calm salmon
and getting all 21 to hit requires being at literally pointblank
like sub 6 meters
because the spread is so dogshit
obtuse stirrup
use a blunt weapon and they're like all designed to kill crushers super fast
calm salmon
so now you just go to the mk5 because 1 pellet counts as 5
and it has a total of 7
so you do 5/7 of your damage regardless of range
and that's just stupid
coarse birch
Do rippers have stability i forget
obtuse stirrup
I do hate this arcane pellet count shit tbh
coarse birch
I think its range
obtuse stirrup
especially the thing where bracing changes your minimum pellet count
calm salmon
they have both
obtuse stirrup
high stability = bad hipfire while moving
it adds recoil instead of subtracting lol
coarse birch
Ah ok couldn't remember for sure
calm salmon
especially the thing where bracing changes your minimum pellet count
yeah this one is super extra dumb
obtuse stirrup
yeah this one is super extra dumb
And, NOTHING tells you this
calm salmon
if you're gonna stick with the minimum pellet count, fine
but do NOT change it when BRACING the gun
obtuse stirrup
we only know from empirical testing
royal vortex
looking at old clips when i still had screen shake on
how the hell did i play like this
calm salmon
with effort
coarse birch
Fs tells you a comedicly small amount
coarse birch
Ngl i think i still have it on
calm salmon
we all learn eventually
royal vortex
it is like i am constantly in an earthquake
coarse birch
I keep forgetting to turn it off
coarse birch
And now I don't even notice it cause ive played with it for 1k hours
calm salmon
but I deleted motion blur/camera shake day 1
royal vortex
damn its been a long time since i did that hi5 ogryn/psyker duo with ogryn
with arco
not ogryn
his name is not the word ogryn
coarse birch
I play darktide on minimum settings, give or take
Do you need to or is it for frames
calm salmon
need to for frames
I can't manage a solid 60fps
because fatshark hasn't ever heard of optimization
coarse birch
Poor arco trying to show uncanny assail
calm salmon
Like, I get 30-45 on the mourningstar without amd fsr on
1080ti, so I can't use DLSS
north sedge
Poor arco trying to show uncanny assail
woody and buzz keep interupting
coarse birch
Yeah this game is optimized very poorly
calm salmon
god the performance of darktide makes me sad
royal vortex
Yeah this game is optimized very poorly
u know what is optimized well
the BLEEDINATOR
royal vortex
i wish i was one of those content farming youtubers
calm salmon
I just do not vibe with it
coarse birch
It doesnt use knife
royal vortex
i would come up with the worst builds
oh noi
this is farm more advanced
its a bleed shovel build
because u can take it on vet with serrated blade
and uncanny
- a scattershot (or manstopper)/flechette lawbringer
calm salmon
yeah but vet shovel is actually good
so like
its not the same
knife is at least dogshit
royal vortex
i got 80k bleed damage out of 500k with that build
coarse birch
Tanner would love this one
royal vortex
- frags
coarse birch
It was all from frags too
calm salmon
i have no idea who tanner is
royal vortex
tanner is genuinely just dent in the head commentary at this point
tries to tell ppl weakspot/crit damage is fine
calm salmon
there's 3500 people playing darktide
royal vortex
i watch like 2 mins of his videos because i cant get any further before he says something mind bogglingly dumb
calm salmon
with a 24h high of 6500
not much of a community to damage
the only people left playing are people who outright do not give a shit about outside information, and those who care and get it from here and reddit
not that reddit is better
woeful oyster
I finally peeled myself off Helldivers 2 last night after a 22hr binge and got some sleep but now we goin back in FOR LIBERTY!!!!
calm salmon
but its at least a crowd
calm salmon
i watch like 2 mins of his videos because i cant get any further before he says ...
i am amazed you put up with me
coarse birch
Better than it used to be
royal vortex
ur a human being that can have normal conversations
tanner is incredibly abrasive and very offputting
royal vortex
being wrong about a videogame is no crime but he's like really arrogant about it while demonstrating he doesn't understand the game's underlying mechanics
like trying to say rending "reduces armor value" (paraphrasing, it's dumber in full context) and that it "only matters vs carapace"
calm salmon
true. I'm just an ascended meta slave
royal vortex
which is far too broad of a value assessment to make
calm salmon
all ogryns do these days is eat hot chips and toss nukes
royal vortex
TRUE
calm salmon
I am the ogryn
coarse birch
Rending affects everything 😭
royal vortex
dude i killed myself in a really stupid way and my penance was watching a pub ogryn throw a nuke at a single half health crusher
with no grenade box near
calm salmon
everything but infested and unarmored
coarse birch
Yeah probably should mention that
ember yew
I am the ogryn
open pollen
all ogryns do these days is eat hot chips and toss nukes
Not true! I also eat ammo, medipacks, rashuns and rocks!
ember yew
anyway
royal vortex
calm salmon
Not true! I also eat ammo, medipacks, rashuns and rocks!
eat ammo you say?
I acn do that
royal vortex
im so fkin smart
coarse birch
Let's not get carried away
calm salmon
604 ammo picked up
112 wasted
royal vortex
watch the clip
calm salmon
ripper life
royal vortex
u will know the SARCASM
i only die there because i have true aim on that build
btw
watch the buff icons
coarse birch
Wheres the clip of that ogryn stealing all my ammo
royal vortex
calm salmon
I'll be honest
royal vortex
hungry boy
calm salmon
I manage team ammo way better than anyone else I've met
not that I'm good at managing my OWN ammo
I'll happily spend it all and swap to melee
but I always make sure the pals and lil uns are topped up
open pollen
I remember placing down a medipack, turning around to deal with some stray poxxers, and when I turned back it was already consumed completely.
calm salmon
550hp ogryn go brrrrrrrrrrrrr
royal vortex
ive had some real goddamn MOMENTS recently
i turned my back to a horde because a pub psyker and a knife zealot were there
so i was gonna farm maulers
and within seconds 2 bruisers walked up and murdered me
calm salmon
I've been playing darktide with a friend
royal vortex
i dont even know if i clipped it or not to see if the backstab noise plays
royal vortex
cuz i thought they would fkin DO SOMETHING
royal vortex
Getting chain hit out of nowhere
bruisers travel in pairs
first one breaks toughness, second wallops
calm salmon
she's really funny cause she picked up psyker first. I'll just be mindlessly smacking a horde around and then I hear DAMMIT I DI- - - psyker explosion
royal vortex
mankar had a 10 min solo clutch that ended in him blowing himself up
i cant blame him
open pollen
i dont even know if i clipped it or not to see if the backstab noise plays
At this point I swear I'm starting to grow eyes in the back of my skull. Like my brain knows "This is about the time you'd be hit by some BS" and lo'!
royal vortex
when i am charging a void shot i no longer know the world exists outside of my screen
i have 1 mission and it is to farm shotgunners
open pollen
when i am charging a void shot i no longer know the world exists outside of my s...
This happens whenever I play ES vet.
coarse birch
Didnt you literally give me shit for farming shotgunners josho
calm salmon
sigh
royal vortex
i give everyone shit for doing the things i do
open pollen
The world becomes nothing but glowy heads to click
calm salmon
assail pskyers
coarse birch
Its truly the weapon of all time
coarse birch
Monstrosities exist to make your solo clutch cooler
royal vortex
i think the only time ive suicided with void is using the lmb
coarse birch
Thats it
coarse birch
Yeah minus cspawn
jaunty karma
Hey which of these two is better, it says purple is better but the mainline stats seems better for the grey one
coarse birch
Hes actually a threat
calm salmon
mostly its just "get yeeted bitch"
if cspawn shows up and you're solo
there's a few players out there, sure
little thicket
Cspawn grab is bull.
calm salmon
but definitely not the reg
and I am not one of them
I can do A LOT of damage to spawn
I can rarely solo it down
club notwithstanding
coarse birch
Idk if i could tbh
calm salmon
with its stunlock
little thicket
Ive had to solo chaos spawns before
royal vortex
i almost had an opportunity to 1v1 a cspawn on psyker in a 4 psyker premade
calm salmon
thunder hammer zealot
royal vortex
where everyone else had shit the bed
and then i got grabbed
and 2 flamers walked up
and went
calm salmon
Oh, that's the one where I do okay
royal vortex
ur dead buddy
calm salmon
deimos or dueling sword psyker
calm salmon
because lol dodge distance
royal vortex
thanks fatshark
coarse birch
I dislike cspawn grab
little thicket
The grab needs some reworks
calm salmon
its not designed well
coarse birch
I know its dodge able
calm salmon
at all
little thicket
Its hit range doesnt match the attack.
royal vortex
all u do vs cspawn is make sure ur right is open
calm salmon
royal vortex
so that u can dodge when it inevitably tries to vore u
coarse birch
But unless you dodge right you get grabbed if your in its zip code
calm salmon
I can dodge it reliably on everyone else
but the grab is like 40/60 on ogryn
in spawns favor
sharp zodiac
so that u can dodge when it inevitably tries to vore u
Nice
royal vortex
at this point i am running rocks because slam gets you a stagger BP on shovels for staggering ragers
coarse birch
Ofc thats when luna responds
royal vortex
and they stagger plogryns-cspawn even on bodyshot
so u just throw the rock at the big guy
and he stops anyways
calm salmon
I know entirely too many dog girls now
open pollen
Ofc thats when luna responds
Josho summoned them.
open pollen
I know entirely too many dog girls now
So, is that dog girl like horse girl or like dog girl like dog-girl?
copper hawk
Helldivers 2
calm salmon
So, is that dog girl like horse girl or like dog girl like dog-girl?
dog-girl
like "tell me what to do master" dog-girl
not "i probably fucked my horse" dog girl
copper hawk
Puppygirl u mean
frank night
when i am charging a void shot i no longer know the world exists outside of my s...
and yet ur ass got mad over the ammo crate
royal vortex
la creatura
copper hawk
R/puppygirlpetsmart
frank night
open pollen
like "tell me what to do master" dog-girl
Ah, I see. Dinnae even consider that third option.
calm salmon
Puppygirl u mean
yeah I don't think about it too hard
royal vortex
because all roads lead back to gunker
frosty herald
Brainrot
royal vortex
ur an ogryn main. its ur job to be horrifically bigoted
coarse birch
Be like that one ogryn josho and i keep getting
open pollen
ur an ogryn main. its ur job to be horrifically bigoted
Ur thinking of Zealot, no? iz in job description
calm salmon
Ur thinking of Zealot, no? iz in job description
no this is #ogryn-class lore
that josho is dancing around
the great summer purge of '23
open pollen
Ah, of course. I've not watched the latest season of #ogryn-class I am behind on my stories.
royal vortex
Be like that one ogryn josho and i keep getting
i saw some dude on reddit complain about him
he is a MENACE
coarse birch
Lmao
royal vortex
black ogryn named biggiesmalls but one of the letters is replaced
calm salmon
or, well, ry my best not to
coarse birch
Hint: its racist
royal vortex
yea
royal vortex
its a new edition of the uncle ruckusgryn
calm salmon
I just wanna krump wif me pals
royal vortex
v true
open pollen
its a new edition of the uncle ruckusgryn
Ogryns loved Racism so much they invented Racism 2
calm salmon
we out here or something I dunno
royal vortex
Ur thinking of Zealot, no? iz in job description
unironically i run into more weird sexual deviants on zealot than bigots
this is not a self commentary
calm salmon
I ran into a zealot chick who was way too into women
royal vortex
there is only one guy i have found named tyranid fucker
and he was playing thammer zealot (poorly)
open pollen
In the same way some dudes are weirdly into women?