i dunno
#zealot-class
ripe quest
I still occasionally hop into a solo w/ one and just mess around with it. I've been really into weapons that are engaging to use and Knife can be one of them.
calm salmon
and I can't be assed to fix it
no more scoreboard for me
just mashing mouse 1 into heretics cause ogryn is the last thing that's fun to me in this game
royal vortex
knife is engaging to use in a way that i do not like and i absolutely despise the heavy animations on the 3
calm salmon
gun go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
obtuse stirrup
Knife pervert is such a unique style, I love it
calm salmon
i just want the knife to require less brainpower
autumn fern
and I can't be assed to fix it
just remove mods folder , verify files , download again pack of mods from steam , will take you like 5 min
calm salmon
and not have absolutely dogshit light attacks
obtuse stirrup
It is my weakest style apart from M.C.Hammer though
calm salmon
just remove mods folder , verify files , download again pack of mods from steam ...
no
polar nexus
hu, is it an oversight or you can find the same thing on other weapons?
calm salmon
me r mash mouse 1
gun go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
I already know I'm top scoreboarding every match
I don't need it
gun go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
obtuse stirrup
and not have absolutely dogshit light attacks
Light attacks are just to recharge stealth with crits on horde tbh
It's actually not bad if you treat them as a generator
ripe quest
hu, is it an oversight or you can find the same thing on other weapons?
Probs not an oversight no. Similar stuff is on other weapons, the lasguns have that kinda shit everywhere.
autumn fern
i dont get why Devil swords dont have Slaughter or Headtaker
ripe quest
They'd be absurd
obtuse stirrup
I use blazing Piety for mine
autumn fern
They'd be absurd
no man
calm salmon
because slaughterer and headtaker need to be fundamentally changed
or just changed to damage
power should not be a buff
full stop
autumn fern
combat axe with headtaker is fucking insane
ember yew
autumn fern
chops through maniacs , flaks , and just 2 hits crushers if you crit
ripe quest
no man
They're already pretty solid for the kit they provide w/ just +cleave and rampage.
Like, if we got Chainsword with HT or Slaught shit would be unbalanceable
calm salmon
chops through maniacs , flaks , and just 2 hits crushers if you crit
combat axes are also something that need a looking at
mostly cause of brutal momentum
otherwise they're a 1 cleave hacker
autumn fern
calm salmon
not exactly fun or engaging to use
but a better starting point than "I ignore mass for 4 enemies"
autumn fern
everytim i use it , top dmg
calm salmon
brutal momentum is dumb
old bm was dumb
new bm is dumb
its all dumb
stop it fatshark
obtuse stirrup
combat axes are also something that need a looking at
They are far too binary
ripe quest
Caxe is indeed one of the top weapons in the game due to BM. Hsword gets it too.
calm salmon
fuckin power sword gets it 
obtuse stirrup
Godroll bromentums everything and easy game
ripe quest
ikr
Pissblade is certainly one of the weapons to have nearly every busted blessing available
obtuse stirrup
Or subgodroll stops on first target and you are sad
ripe quest
May as well give it Uncanny at this point
calm salmon
but yeah, brutal momentum is a blessing that needs another rework
because take 1 and 2 were unmitigateable failures
ripe quest
I'm of the club that wants to make it a default mechanic of Caxe.
polar nexus
Caxe is indeed one of the top weapons in the game due to BM. Hsword gets it too.
remove deathblow and bm, increase cleave, give rampage
obtuse stirrup
I preferred the first implementation
calm salmon
the first implementation was EVEN more busted
ripe quest
Different implementation though, not just 3 procs like it is rn.
obtuse stirrup
The new one is too fiddly and arguably stronger with a godroll
calm salmon
cause you could cleave through bulwark shields
and crushers
which was fucking stupid
autumn fern
but yeah, brutal momentum is a blessing that needs *another* rework
my man what blessing needs to be reworked is Shock and Awe , its sooooo bad
obtuse stirrup
cause you could cleave through bulwark shields
OK I forgot that lol
obtuse stirrup
my man what blessing needs to be reworked is Shock and Awe , its sooooo bad
Also blazing spirit outside of Trauma staff
calm salmon
this is why I'm not at all surprised its taken so long for fatshark to do anything after winter break
basically everything in the game needs small to massive changes
depending on your order of priorities
ripe quest
I like the idea of it having a second cleave value tied to it, like w/ Caxe lights having 1.5-1.8 cleave but a 2nd BM cleave value of like 8 or 9. If you chain weakspot kills you can access that cleave up until a certain number of hits.
calm salmon
so like
obtuse stirrup
The game is still fun as hecc ATM thougb
calm salmon
power fantasy GO
obtuse stirrup
It isn't as desperate as it was before
calm salmon
or just be like me and a take a break waiting for it to get hard again
royal vortex
brutal momentum is on way too broad of a category of weapons
ripe quest
That too
obtuse stirrup
Exterminatus difficulty when.
royal vortex
ideally it would be cut from a significant number of them
calm salmon
the game outright cannot handle a new difficulty
ripe quest
Hard to balance it when so many weapons that are strong for different reasons have it
calm salmon
unless fatshark just bumps hp pools
damnation hi-stg already breaks the ai director
auric hi-stg outright breaks it
and audio is fundamentally fucked
ripe quest
The powercreep is outpacing the engine.
obtuse stirrup
Break it harder
royal vortex
the 2 most annoying ones imo are ogryn shield and psword
the shovel is a strong contender but i also don't even see ogryns abusing it
calm salmon
literally the only reason ogryn shield is good is because of brutal momentum
and its STILL outclassed by everything else
shovels on ogryn would also be mad dogshit without BM
obtuse stirrup
Love the nightmare scenario of like 5 monsters popping up at the start of Silo Cluster in the starting bottleneck
calm salmon
like actually unuseably bad
royal vortex
ogryn gets to throw in bleed on top of bm for ways to ignore cleave rules
which is really annoying
calm salmon
fwiw, bm doesn't really ignore cleave anymore
that's shield's heavy 2
its got infinite cleave baked in
and old bm
royal vortex
i am fully aware of how the weapon works
royal vortex
no i mean it drastically alters a weapon's performance in a way nothing else does
autumn fern
gawd daym
royal vortex
bleed is better for elites and bm is generally better for horde clear but both are doing absolutely stupid things to the way weapons function
calm salmon
12veg is the best maelstrom
stone fern
melee maelstrom is best
calm salmon
bleed is better for elites and bm is generally better for horde clear but both a...
uh
you're way overexaggerating how good shield is
its still pretty goddamn slow
due to the movement penalties
even if its outright more killy than clubs and shovels
royal vortex
i am absolutely not
obtuse stirrup
It's a good support weapon
It is not as killy as a clobb though
Haymaker isn't available
calm salmon
more killy than mk1 and 2
royal vortex
when the amount of elites you kill outside of armor stop from carapace is more dependent on how many you can fit on the screen than weapon properties
calm salmon
mk3b shits all over shield
royal vortex
its p ridiculous
calm salmon
without haymaker
obtuse stirrup
Heresy.
calm salmon
just thunderous and skullcrusher
Ah, yes, I would like to apply 40% rending to everything in the game
obtuse stirrup
You are a heretic, I'm telling the commissar.
calm salmon
and do 80% more damage to it on top
oh, and 25% more damage cause I have heavy hitter up and running
oh and 25% to flak and 25% to maniac cause of perks
balamnced
royal vortex
shield applies skullcrusher and doesn't have target capped heavies
3b is way worse at bleed application
ripe quest
you're way overexaggerating how good shield is
It is a good bit absurd.
royal vortex
yeah and then you're not using thunderous for its most valuable property
royal vortex
which is applying to bleed
calm salmon
and run off of thunderous and skullcrusher
to do all your damage
and mulch literally everything in front of you
ripe quest
oh damn there's a weapon with skullcrusher and thunderous
And it's actually BiS
calm salmon
from bosses to groaners
ripe quest
And I'm willing to bet barely anyone on Ogryn uses it at it's peak
royal vortex
these aren't fantastic cleave damage distributions
calm salmon
I love me mk3b
ripe quest
though Ogryn lacks a good combo weapon for it
calm salmon
but I like the mk4 knife more
ripe quest
Achlys maybe
calm salmon
well
I like the mk3bb the most
but then I have to use GG
and GG makes me sad
dat reload speed is cri
royal vortex
and you can't abuse bleed's ability to ignore cleave damage distribution up to a certain point
obtuse stirrup
I pair my shield with a rumbler
Because taunting the heretics into my splash radius is funny
ripe quest
oh damn there's a weapon with skullcrusher and thunderous
smth I did want to try was making the Paul into a combo weapon
obtuse stirrup
I don't think it is the best though lol
ripe quest
since it can be kinda absurd with Ogryn's CC options
obtuse stirrup
But it's good enough and it feels right
ripe quest
Power Maul just needs numbers
That's not what I'm referring to.
obtuse stirrup
Paul used to be meta even
royal vortex
power maul has an awful moveset with built-in redundancies
royal vortex
it was never particularly outstanding
calm salmon
^
royal vortex
your horde clear was an exercise in patience
calm salmon
the low damage numbers have, well, always been low
royal vortex
the main thing you got was the aoe stun
calm salmon
99 ua/infested is bad bad
and always has been
the heavy attacks are great
until you realize you do 180 ua/if damage
basically the paul is just held back by super low damage values. The movesets are all fine
ripe quest
99 ua/infested is bad bad
Where are you getting those numbers?
calm salmon
sure, being able to loop l1/l2 and l3/l4 consistently would be nice for different target applications
ripe quest
the L3 and L4?
royal vortex
oh wow they really put the heavies min cleave damage in the single digits
yea this weapon is p unbearably dogshit
south folio
lmao
calm salmon
the L3 and L4?
l3 and l4, yes
calm salmon
as that's what you're going to be using the vast majority of the time
calm salmon
like I said
ripe quest
Perfect grounds for a combo weapon.
calm salmon
its a numbers thing
ripe quest
royal vortex
until u realize how god awfully slow the heavy windup is
calm salmon
yeah but that can just get the cleaver touchup
royal vortex
the mk5 shovel is in a similar boat except it just does way more damage
obtuse stirrup
the mk5 shovel is in a similar boat except it just does way more damage
Ogrynhammer
royal vortex
no i mean i don't want a moveset where the looping light combo and the heavies fulfill the same exact role
ripe quest
I'd probs be doing some like, special -> PA into GG or Kickback related thing w/ it
calm salmon
the weird aspect of paul though is its brutal momentum interaction
funny activate button
but uh
now you need to sit there and perform the worst gameplay loop fatshark has ever designed
its dogshit on the ironhelm
its dogshit on force swords
its dogshit on the power maul and crusher
royal vortex
I'd probs be doing some like, special -> PA into GG or Kickback related thing w/...
there's an a fairly small number of targets where you can do this and can't do it with another ogryn weapons iirc
ripe quest
the ironhelm?
calm salmon
activate>swing>activate>swing
Now, I'm aware you dont need to do that with a high degree of uh
oftenness?
whatever word I'm looking for there
royal vortex
if you're spamming activations on the crusher you're fighting 6 bulwarks or opting into using it in a way that lowers your overall performance
obtuse stirrup
Or pretend Activate isn't there for force sword Deimos
calm salmon
if you're spamming activations on the crusher you're fighting 6 bulwarks or opti...
yeah I'm aware on that for the crusher
south folio
whatever word I'm looking for there
frequency 😎
obtuse stirrup
And it's just a sword
royal vortex
the solution there is really they just need to make bulwarks an enemy instead of an annoyance
calm salmon
Its absolutely unfun game design
obtuse stirrup
oftenness?
Frequency
calm salmon
thanks chat
ripe quest
w/ Ironhelm you don't really need to spam activations due to the H3 and overhead lights. You'd only be doing it maybe once or twice to get rid of a horde or against a boss.
calm salmon
i dont mind the thunder hammer activation spam on bosses
since its the correct amount of reward
ripe quest
but I'm SC pilled so my crowd experience is diff
calm salmon
for everything you have to put up with
calm salmon
But on crusher/powermaul/force swords its just
not
in any way rewarding
and power sword has a blessing that just removes the mechanic anyway
so like RA
obtuse stirrup
in any way rewarding
Subjective, force swords are rewarding imo
calm salmon
fucking inconsistent ass game design or whatever
calm salmon
Subjective, force swords are rewarding imo
obscurus and deimos activation is literally pointless
obtuse stirrup
Although ironically more rewarding when we just had the dogshit Obscurus
calm salmon
the deimos especially
because the regular heavy attack outright does more dps
to literally everything in the game
not only just dps but raw damage
obtuse stirrup
It should be the crusher/mauler killer
calm salmon
and the obscurus is uh
obtuse stirrup
It has good armour piercing iirc
calm salmon
untouched since release and really needs an animation rework
obtuse stirrup
untouched since release and really needs an animation rework
It was buffed in the Deimos/Illisi patch
calm salmon
and the illisi is just boring, and like the deimos, you still get more use out of the regular animation set unless you're edging peril
obtuse stirrup
It's just still inferior to both
obtuse stirrup
and the illisi is just boring, and like the deimos, you still get more use out o...
Special is really good on Illisi actually
calm salmon
basically: I fucking hate everything about the one attack per activation weapons
its bad game design
calm salmon
unless you're given that gigabonk reward like on thunder hammers, or the overall CC of the crusher for dealing with crushers/bulwarks - or wanna oneshot a mutant
royal vortex
the problem i specifically have is "button that increases all your stats"
because that's not a decision
obtuse stirrup
And activate again if elites mix in
royal vortex
illisi/psword have it the worst
obtuse stirrup
Or if I get space
The power sword one is sad because of how dogshit the sword is outside of activation
calm salmon
psword at least gets power cycler
obtuse stirrup
It's a paddle
royal vortex
because there isn't really a trade off (unless you blow yourself up with illisi) all u have to make sure is ur not punished for being in the activation animation
calm salmon
psword used to be fine
but then everything had its hp gigabuffed
so now the actual sword function is just bad
royal vortex
power cycler doesn't fix the underlying issue that it's incredibly boring and not a good design for the weapon
obtuse stirrup
I wish it just had PC by default and only one blessing slot
Because in practice that is the case
calm salmon
power cycler doesn't fix the underlying issue that it's incredibly boring and no...
I'm well aware. But for a stop gap solution, it at least has one
obtuse stirrup
Unless you are an unlucky karker like me and don't have PC4
calm salmon
rng in getting it aside
royal vortex
because it's got 1 mode where it's just terrible and 1 mode where it's one of the best weapons in the game
as dumb as the rev mechanics are and for as much as i despise them ur at least making an actual trade
one that ur not punished for doing at the wrong time nearly as hardly as u used to be
but there's somethin happening there
calm salmon
I still think the damage values on the psword activation need to be lowered, but stick with the "lol cleave? nah" aspect kept
IE: really lean into the whole "it can cut through anything" schtick power weapons have in lore
south folio
shrimply spec into melee vet where your normal lights one-shot groaners
calm salmon
fuck, let it stab through bulwark shields
just nerf the shit out of the damage
no reason a psword needs to oneshot a crusher
south folio
I desire a battery mechanic
royal vortex
there needs to be less activation emphasis
ideally u would just
not have to press a button to have a melee
and instead activated attacks would probably be specific moves
royal vortex
but the world we live in is the one where fatshark wanted to make a bunch of melees have "press button to make it do something different"
south folio
at least with a battery system you can make the activation strong but limited and a resource that you have to manage
calm salmon
yeah, just fuckin all of em
royal vortex
at least with a battery system you can make the activation strong but limited an...
i dont want more copies of the already uninteresting psyker peril system
calm salmon
maybe not thunder hammer because thrust exists
south folio
and it can be turned on since its uptime is limited by the battery instead of activating it every X attacks
royal vortex
fs has not demonstrated they are capable of making a limiter mechanic outside of ammo that actually fkin works
south folio
i dont want more copies of the already uninteresting psyker peril system
well yeah but you won't blow up and what not
calm salmon
fs has not demonstrated they are capable of making a limiter mechanic outside of...
accuracy
but that really only applies to ogryn
and they only got it right on the achlys
royal vortex
plasma heat always quells from your current number to 0 in 5 ticks
calm salmon
royal vortex
there's literally no punishment for hitting 100 unless u right click
south folio
a system that limits the activation and allows it to be turned on for X time and allows the activation to be strong
calm salmon
to get 2/3 crit chance for your three shots
to get 2 light attacks with 9tuple the damage of every other gun in the game
royal vortex
i really do not want melee weapons centered around timers
south folio
yeah which is why I want a battery mechanic
it's going to have an activation either way
and that's one of the more interesting ways to balance it imo
since i wnat to keep the activation strong but also give a reason to use the normals
royal vortex
until fatshark decides they want to make heat systems that don't exist to make you press r for two ticks i don't trust them to do anything meaningful with something like that
because the problem is they haven't actually demonstrated they can hit a "sweet spot" on anything like this in darktide
south folio
just prevent any active recharging and only allow the battery to recharge passively
royal vortex
at best it will start out overly restrictive, people will get mad, and then it will become overly permissive
south folio
yeah yeah fatshark's competence aside
royal vortex
the game also also p much reached the limit on stuff i want to have to manage at one time for non-ogryn classes
south folio
though it's something that you'd agree to by picking the power sword
south folio
there's other melees if you want management-free playstyles
south folio
it's a weapon that has an activation and they evidently want you to have multiple swings but the activation stuff currently is balls
calm salmon
we love rashad
south folio
so the psword brings something new to the table as well as resource management that you agree to on using the weapon
royal vortex
it's a weapon that has an activation and they evidently want you to have multipl...
if the intent of the weapon was actually to have multiple swings they wouldve kept that baseline. i dont think fs has nearly as much intent for balancing as people would assume
open echo
if fatshark made the achlys into a power axe
Or new weapon
royal vortex
there has been quite a few changes that are just
open echo
so the psword brings something new to the table as well as resource management t...
But shitty mobil
south folio
i mean, to me the reason they didn't keep it baseline is just that having 3 swings by default was just really fucking strong
royal vortex
"we know this is a problem, we think this solves it" with minimal thought otherwise put in (in part because there was a lot of stuff playtesters were suggesting that fs devs just agreed to)
south folio
not for design reasons but for balance reasons it was nerfed from 3 to 1
open echo
not for design reasons but for balance reasons it was nerfed from 3 to 1
It had 3 originally?
south folio
yeah
south folio
3 swings default and 7 swings with power cycler
open echo
it had 7 with power cycler
WHAT
south folio
7 swings
calm salmon
the power sword 6 for a long time had literally infinite heavy attacks
when it was added
it never got patched until uh
open echo
Ahahahaha
south folio
there were vets who genuinely threw a tantrum when the psword got the nerfs to its charges
calm salmon
when they did the attack revamps on pswords
royal vortex
not for design reasons but for balance reasons it was nerfed from 3 to 1
this is another problem u run into when talking about the powersword because it has a performance-warping blessing
calm salmon
yeah, infernus used to be uncapped too
or capped to 32 stacks?
something like that
royal vortex
that has a community status of being hard to roll and incredibly desirable and the conclusion is at this point just delete weapon upgrades entirely and make ppl find them in mission like l4d2
calm salmon
you could use a recon lasgun and kill a plague ogryn in 10 seconds
little oopsie
that permanently warped fatshark's opinion of recon lasguns
I say permanently, but could also just be "Haven't gotten around to it"
south folio
this is another problem u run into when talking about the powersword because it ...
ok yeah but with a battery you get to balance pcycler in some nuanced ways
open echo
that permanently warped fatshark's opinion of recon lasguns
They take all the nerfs for us
:D
south folio
like you can still do it now with something like "get 2 more activations but -40% damage" or some shit of course
royal vortex
literally nobody is using a blessing that says the number gets smaller
obtuse stirrup
Heh, now try with a CIAG on a Psyker with 20 stacks of scrier's gaze and 15 DD
royal vortex
we saw this with limbshitter
open echo
that has a community status of being hard to roll and incredibly desirable and t...
Spent 70hrs trying to get pc4
And then got it as a eg
FFS
obtuse stirrup
And then got it as a eg
Praise the Emperor
calm salmon
I rolled PC3 on a power sword upgrade the day it released
then got PC4 the day after
open echo
And then got it as a eg
Probably 30k plasteel
south folio
i mean it's just tradeoffs and limbsplitter was really just poopoo of course and the way to get around it was uninteresting
open echo
Trying
obtuse stirrup
Still waiting on PC4 now
south folio
like it's also a matter of having the numbers to make it worth it
because of course old limbsplitter actually really wasn't worth it unless you were a qq tryhard or macroer
royal vortex
nobody is gonna look at one blessing that forces u to make a compromise instead of all the other ones that provide a flat benefit and go "i like this"
it's not the way the system is set up
south folio
you can always tweak the numbers to make the tradeoff a net benefit overall and whatnot
alright but the point is to balance it
under the current system
with how the activation currently works
pcycler is going to remain the strongest undisputed blessing on the power sword
that itself is a problem
and we're fixing it with another problematic solution where the only real flaw is that players with no brain cells is going to think "oh there's a negative sign fuck that"
calm salmon
On that front
fatshark's tooltips are all ass
both historically and currently
they've gotten better, but its not really the player's fault when fatshark is terrible at explaining the mechanics in their descriptors
royal vortex
and we're fixing it with another problematic solution where the only real flaw i...
if you make a blessing with a meaningful downside it inherently cannot just be "me no like number go down", i was being a bit hyperbolic
i also think you overestimate the amount of buy-in a lot of people have for actually strategizing about what they're playing
calm salmon
they've gotten better, but its not really the player's fault when fatshark is te...
that said, I don't even remember what old limbshitter said
spare talon
they've gotten better, but its not really the player's fault when fatshark is te...
It's like actually criminal how wrong stuff is, or how much major functions are just not said anywhere
royal vortex
particularly if it involves changing the actual mechanical playstyle rather than just buildcrafting
south folio
well, i'm not considering players ever strategizing
calm salmon
so just QQ>attack>QQ
south folio
my only concern is to balance the numbers
royal vortex
the crusher got to be almost completely remade because almost nobody fkin liked it
south folio
and the only way we're balancing pcycler as is is to throw in another number that it affects
calm salmon
This is my problem, because fatshark doesn't really. . . make intelligent downsides
south folio
yes and the suggestion i'm making doesn't require a fucking rework
calm salmon
because stuff like old limbshitter was basically just a "permanent -40% damage" debuff
for no reason
south folio
it's a ssimple numerical addition to a single blessing
it's as milquetoast of a change as you can make
royal vortex
it's like very calmly asking a question to a hornet's nest
u know what these ppl think of the psword
calm salmon
i just want power cycler to be dumpstered
and all activation weapons rethought from the ground up
royal vortex
i think it would be more palatable as a general rework - assuming fatshark is working on the whole blessing rework thing
open echo
we saw this with limbshitter
What happened with that?
calm salmon
so that it isn't just "flat bonus, no flat bonus"
royal vortex
rather than going "your blessing is just worse now"
south folio
alright yeah but i suggested a rework but you shut that down
so i decided to go with a suggestion that works with the current system
and that gets shut down
like what am i even supposed to suggest at this point
royal vortex
delete the powersword
calm salmon
The only thing I can think of as a battery system would be:
"Press button, get 10 attacks, after 10 attacks, wait Y seconds for battery to recharge"
so you run into that "But a boss could spawn soooooooooon" so you wanna save the battery
royal vortex
this conversation is ultimately pointless because we have no bearing on what fatshark is willing to do
calm salmon
or elite wave, specialist wave, whatever
open echo
delete the powersword
Delete the recon instead
royal vortex
and the entire conversation relies on knowing about what fatshark is willing to change
south folio
i mean i haave no hopes for my suggestion to ever make it in any form
i fully expect them to keep activations the way they are
royal vortex
What happened with that?
it was up to +25% on the first attack and -10% on every subsequent one
south folio
i'm sure crab has pushed for activations to be changed and nothing has shappened so far
calm salmon
that's right
spare talon
Can fatshark just remove enemies so I can run missions faster
calm salmon
basically it was just a "-10% damage" debuff
because old limbshitter was terribly designed
because it forced using QQ
to get any meaningful buff
because it went on weapons that couldn't oneshot enemies
royal vortex
i fully expect them to keep activations the way they are
and i dont think u can really balance psword in a good way with an activation that is literally just sword but better
calm salmon
even with the damage buff to the first attack
royal vortex
because the unactivated attacks all feel fucking terrible when you combine it with the soft-factors of the weapon
polar nexus
then nerfs to followups in a chain
i think they changed limb at least 3 times
south folio
and i think you can with a resource management
because the point of adding a resource management dimension is that it gives a reason to use the normals
calm salmon
The only thing I can think of as a battery system would be:
"Press button, get...
see:
use battery, delete group of enemies
oops, mismanaged the resources, boss spawned
open echo
Make psword need ammo (real)
royal vortex
i would much rather bring the disparity between activation-non activation down for damage vs most adms
loud hearth
What do I change here? Perfect Strike for Deathblow 4?
calm salmon
What do I change here? Perfect Strike for Deathblow 4?
yes
and crit chance to maniac
south folio
sure but i want to keep the activation at the strength that it is at
to make the activation truly special
open echo
oops, mismanaged the resources, boss spawned
Or they could make the mobility for psword even worse
loud hearth
and crit chance to maniac
Maniac? For mutant?
calm salmon
ragers
royal vortex
the psword has far too much strength put directly into the activated attacks atm and just forcing you to use awful attacks is going to make the weapon play worse
open echo
What do I change here? Perfect Strike for Deathblow 4?
550 TIME
calm salmon
you can one shot four of them with deathblow, maniac, and martyrdom
south folio
buff the normals/nerf the specials and find some reasonable ground
the numbers can always be tweeked for ssomething that feels like a good balance
calm salmon
i still think power sword should be a cleave activataion
let people stab crushers through their shields
ignore armor adms on crushers(IE, downgrade from carapace to unyielding)
stuff like that
open echo
let people stab crushers through their shields
You mean bulwarks?
royal vortex
the numbers can always be tweeked for ssomething that feels like a good balance
yea
in general if theyre going to keep the worst activation system in the game it also needs to disproportionately effect some armor types
calm salmon
basically, power sword should ignore armor when its activated, fullstop
but that'd require giving enemies adms under their armor
for all of two weapons
open echo
too much crusher talk <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
This game soemtimes makes you so braindead
calm salmon
which is just added complexity and work
royal vortex
it shouldnt really provide a huge damage increase to infested/unarmored/maniac
it should be for cleave in those situations
open echo
This game soemtimes makes you so braindead
(A barrel accident did happen)
royal vortex
ur solution is needlessly complex when they can just tune the adm numbers on activated attacks separately
open echo
(A barrel accident did happen)
Highlight of yesterday
calm salmon
stuff like that
open echo
That shit was so funny
calm salmon
like, just lean into the whole "cuts through everything" aspect of powerswords
while nerfing their overall damage for the activation button
open echo
like, just lean into the whole "cuts through everything" aspect of powerswords
That’s a interesting idea
calm salmon
like, activated and sword mode should have the same ua/infested values
open echo
Mabye it could do what chatise does to amour
calm salmon
but the activation should make everything armored into ua/unyielding
depending on the enemy
open echo
Mabye it could do what chatise does to amour
How do you feel about this
open echo
Or it just gets slightly nerfed
calm salmon
and already exists within the bounds of the game
loud hearth
Ok someone tell me how to use my shiny new hsword because first impressions it seems worse than my evisc
open echo
Ok someone tell me how to use my shiny new hsword because first impressions it s...
L1 h2 h3 then repeat the heavies
calm salmon
Heavy special I think does more dps across the board thinking about it
open echo
L1 h2 h3 then repeat the heavies
Brain fart
royal vortex
Ok someone tell me how to use my shiny new hsword because first impressions it s...
which heavy sword are you using
open echo
Brain fart
Fixed it
hollow mantle
Heavy 1 for single target, special chains into heavy 1. for horde clear H2 and H3 chain together, great for hitting headshots
hes got a 9
he posted it earlier
loud hearth
which heavy sword are you using
Mk 9
royal vortex
whats ur talent setup look like with it
open echo
Heavy 1 for single target, special chains into heavy 1. for horde clear H2 and H...
I wish other weapons chained horde clear like the mk9
hollow mantle
if you are doing crit build then you can spam lights to build up scourge stacks and get your ult back quicker
but you can fury into a group with a heavy 2/3 and farm your ult back in a swing, or near the entire thing
calm salmon
I wish other weapons chained horde clear like the mk9
mk15 eviscerator, mk12 chainaxe or whatever the new one is, power maul, ogryn shield, power sword 3, power sword 6
what else
hollow mantle
works better with deathblow but its got crazy cleave already
calm salmon
mk6 knife - the new one
mk4 cleaver
mk3bb cleaver
there's a bunch of stuff that chains
its just not all chaining the same way
hollow mantle
really a lot of heavy sword is just getting into a rhythm holding and releasing your horizontal heavies, and when to block cancel/refresh your H1 or special/H1
open echo
mk15 eviscerator, mk12 chainaxe or whatever the new one is, power maul, ogryn sh...
I mean fsr the cleaving heavies just repeat without the strikedown
calm salmon
thunder hammers(Both of them - on the ironhelm, you won't ever go to heavy 3 as long as you hit something)
hollow mantle
special will often times stun crushers and maulers with headshots
yeah mk IX is braindead chaining
but man is it fun (for me anyway)
loud hearth
whats ur talent setup look like with it
open echo
yeah mk IX is braindead chaining
I prefer vi tbh
loud hearth
seems like hsword is weak against crushers/carapace?
hollow mantle
I should put some time into the other marks
yeah you need to bring a ranged weapon for that
royal vortex
yea ur not exactly kilin crushers fast w/ it
loud hearth
it's beautiful, I think
open echo
seems like hsword is weak against crushers/carapace?
Run ads revi with hand cannon + surgical with it
hollow mantle
agri braced with fury will do well. Bolter with throwing knife for animation cancel, and both revolvers are good with handcannon
umbral kindle
Zarona revolver
loud hearth
ads revolver with hc/surg
open echo
"Run ads revi"?
The revolver that you can actually aim with lol
hollow mantle
it's beautiful, I think
That might hit the 1shs breakpoint for mutant with no buffs active
loud hearth
yeah i am actually running exactly that
hollow mantle
might be close
open echo
yeah i am actually running exactly that
Yey
hollow mantle
but just slap one thing and youre golden
loud hearth
That *might* hit the 1shs breakpoint for mutant with no buffs active
yeah it does
hollow mantle
Duelist is overkill imo, you can probably drop that to get anoint in blood
Its a buff that just isn't up all that often and you dont really need it to kill most things. The stuff you have a hard time killing as well it won't make a meaningful difference for
loud hearth
what about picking up disdain instead?
hollow mantle
Then at that point I drop the 10% attack speed for the unyielding damage. But it again only ends up making a difference if you are dpsing bosses much with your gun
disdain is good too, but it only procs every other hit
Hard to find the extra point for it
hollow mantle
If you want to play risky and are very confident in your survivability you go down loner and avoid that left side altogether. You lose out on the invulnerability (which is big) but you get a ton of extra talent points to play around with
loud hearth
still a mediocre shot with my gun
coming off maining psyker + a break since anniversary pt2 so
hollow mantle
Still grabbing fury and everything else the same, but you can grab ambuscade and disdain and stuff like that while getting a lot of other goodies
But its risky. Kind of something to try out after you are very comfortable with zealot and mainly just dying to disablers anyway
where it wouldn't have helped you otherwise
loud hearth
some games i am locked in dodging trappers and dogs left and right
other games i am getting netted instantly and dying to a horde lol
hollow mantle
the real fun maelstroms are like that
Where your heavy sword will outshine your evis is just that you are going to be way more mobile with it while still having a lot of kill potential. swinging it wont slow you down the same, and your big damage attack isn't going to try and keep you in the same spot loathe to dodge. As you practice more with the heavy horizontal rhythm you can get a good feel for dodging and sideswiping, holding the next for a few more enemies to line up, checking your surroundings while holding for the next, and just annihilating mixed horde all the while.
Trapper/sniper pops up, dodge to make distance and toss a knife. Mutant coming? Quick block cancel and then line up your heavy 1. Surprised by mauler/crusher? special stun if its 1, or make distance and pull out your gun. Its trash at killing bosses, which is why I generally dont like running the zarona revolver. Which is servicable at killing bosses but not as good as the agri braced, bolter, or agri revolver. With those three you can solo clutch easier if it so happens you do need to kill a boss and running isn't an option. They will also clear armor waves faster.
an extra dodge and better dodge distance too
dusty hull
Why is this in my Zealot shop and not my Vet one
ember yew
Why is this in my Zealot shop and not my Vet one
they should make weapons share-able, assuming that class can use it
sharp zodiac
nimble fiber
loud hearth
Where your heavy sword will outshine your evis is just that you are going to be ...
yeah my first mission with it under my belt and it was a lot of fun
only got one mutant oneshot but i'll get the positioning right in time
hollow mantle
I've got a couple hundred hours with it and I still don't hit them every time.
But you'll learn a lot of tricks with practice. Dodging back mid swing to guarantee the timing works sometimes. And a lot of it is about where your sword is relative to its head
You can usually get a headshot on a backshot too because it will still hit the hitbox for it
Great fun to take into wave of mutant maelstrom's as you can just chain heavy side swipes and oneshot them as they run in when you have all your stacks up
Plus it's just fucking cool to overhead them when they are charging you
Straight up
Bull fighting
loud hearth
Yeah that's what I liked about duelling sword on psyker
Oneshotting mutants with a heavy stab
But I made my psyker min height in character creation
And I made my zealot max height
so I'm a bit fucked up with crosshair placement n such
i usually aim too low I feel
hollow mantle
Haven't played psyker yet but all of the weapons in fatshark games tend to have their own little quirks like that
Probably one of the big reasons we all keep coming back to them despite all of the pitfalls
obtuse stirrup
Nobody makes a horde game quite like Fatshark
hollow mantle
Somehow they really nailed the combat
obtuse stirrup
They nail so much tbh
they just underbake to begin with
but the fun factor is through the roof
I'll stan for fatshark
They aren't perfect, and there's a lot of baffling and frustrating decisions
and the underbaking is truly shite
but there's a gleaming, brilliant, motherlode of a diamond buried under that jank
sterile stone
they should make weapons share-able, assuming that class can use it
If Sly Marbo can use a heavy stubber
Dammit my vet should be able to aswell
solar gorge
there's 1 catachan who uses a heavy bolter so by that logic...
worldly nebula
We ain’t that guy tho
We’re the bottom of the barrel
obtuse stirrup
We ain’t that guy tho
We’re the bottom of the barrel
Say that to my INCOMPARABLE MIND
sterile stone
We ain’t that guy tho
We’re the bottom of the barrel
Comment made by a person not in the war band
Bruuuh
worldly nebula
Say that to my INCOMPARABLE MIND
What’s that, potential Daemonhost-host?
We should be able to shoot Psykers when they poppin off… because the game should spawn imps or something when they go off
obtuse stirrup
Not only a Fanatic, but also a maniac...
vocal pulsar
Yeah, kinda slept on, if built right
Nice
I put thunderous/headtaker and carapace + flak on my mk4 chaxe
deep imp
this build is just too good, love it
vocal pulsar
Why no slaughterer? I kill the horde well enough without it
I'd rather have better single target dps vs crushers and shit
umbral kindle
Headtaker already does enough for power yeah
hushed knoll
Good morning Sir Mankar
ancient brook
We ain’t that guy tho
We’re the bottom of the barrel
We're the best of the worst tho
Love the lines in the first Carnival mission
"At least fifty enemies!"
"Platoon strength at least"
vocal pulsar
Good morning Sir Mankar
Tidings
obtuse stirrup
We just really, really want to win
More than the karkers do
Sorry, scunners
Wrong pejorative for this channel
sterile stone
"Platoon strength at least"
Wolfer will sometimes get pissed
I forgot the mission
But mans will be like
"IT'S JUST 4 OF THEM HOW IS THIS THAT HARD"
obtuse stirrup
I like that he talks to us in Chasm Terminus now too
ancient brook
I wish my Ogryn or my Psyker could respond
Bodyguard responding to Wulfer with his giant ego would be great
worldly nebula
We're the best of the worst tho
Fair point.
distant lark
Zealot die too much
sharp zodiac
"IT'S JUST 4 OF THEM HOW IS THIS THAT HARD"
It's like having a family reunion but your family can't kill 4 roaches
copper hawk
solar gorge
fried*
elfin steppe
How important is the toughness damage reduction
spare dome
kinda extremely
sterile schooner
left worth picking up from melk considering i have the one on the right already?
fading vale
I don't run any DR except for benediction and whatever I happen to get from minor nodes
well and gunner resist
you don't really need extra DR but it can make things easier for sure
elfin steppe
I don't run any DR except for benediction and whatever I happen to get from mino...
I was about to ask you
elfin steppe
The problem is DR is not very effective if you get hit by melee. right now the toughness mostly is for the range enemies.
fading vale
eh
spare dome
It's still effective in melee.
fading vale
I disagree there
elfin steppe
I have to remove the DR node from marty.
spare dome
And Lazor you probably have 20-25 TDR overall in your tree.
fading vale
yeah
spare dome
Thats usually where I end up no matter how I construct other than full right side stealth
So ... yah TDR do matter
fading vale
but I'm not going for good balance or soc or any of that stuff
elfin steppe
I tried it so many times, it's not as powerful as you think. not for me anyway.
vast basin
I go soc on evis cause I don't need duellist
spare dome
You either don't have enough toughness or TDR then
elfin steppe
50% more TDR only lets you tank one more melee hit before your toughness gets broken.
spare dome
It's very easy to reach 130 toughness on Zealot and 20% TDR turns that into 162
And that's like, a baseline amount.
elfin steppe
tf kinda melee hits are you taking
Just dreg bruisers.
elfin steppe
I've tried several times on meatgrinder with 130 or 150 toughness.
spare dome
And yes melees do chunk the bar, TDR still applies and helps. Melee attacks are the one definite 'don't get hit by this shit' in the game
elfin steppe
With three hits your toughness is gone.
elfin steppe
I was testing
fading vale
I take my fair share of bruiser hits on hammer and run no extra DR and have never felt like it was a problem idk
elfin steppe
Anyway, I have to dump the TDR for restoring faith.
distant lark
Ugly
clear knot
this build is just too good, love it
: )
sharp zodiac
Why do the knife people always be two coinside
obtuse stirrup
Why do the knife people always be two coinside
Do you smell burnt toast?
spare dome
Absolutely left.
elfin steppe
spare dome
You can math right
faint vapor
I use the left
spare dome
How many wounds you gonna run
spare dome
Wait what's the rest of your tree like
Cause if you already have 15-20% TDR
Then yea sure take FRA
elfin steppe
You only get 30% TDR and that's when you are very low.
elfin steppe
missing wound
spare dome
Yes.
I can't imagine why being low on health might prompt me to want my toughness to be stronger.
faint vapor
if you think left is so bad, why even ask which to take
btw left is just so vastly superior
elfin steppe
ok, i have been using the left one then I finally realized I want restoring faith more.
spare dome
FRA had a single fun gimmick with Bleed for the Emperor
Otherwise its super not great honestly.
elfin steppe
It's just so strong with bleed for the emperor
spare dome
Can be, yeah
But if your intention is to take hits to make it worthwhile, you could just have the TDR instead.
elfin steppe
I tried several games without restoring faith, definitely feels less tankier than i was.
spare dome
And it will be more applicable in more scenarios.
faint vapor
If you use charge, left skill is very confy
spare dome
Benediction is silly good.
elfin steppe
spare dome
whats your ranged
elfin steppe
I have benediction
spare dome
voice of terra can honestly be a much superior pick if you have a crowd mulching ranged
slate notch
Is the kantrael shotgun still top or is just another playable weapon and that's all? I haven't seen a single player using it in the last months
elfin steppe
revolver
spare dome
aite no voice of terra then
elfin steppe
Is the kantrael shotgun still top or is just another playable weapon and that's ...
Revolver is still the king unless you go full crit build.
slate notch
Revolver is still the king unless you go full crit build.
Indeed. Revolver is my main ranged weapon, (as mostly everyone I guess) but always thought kant shotgun was close
elfin steppe
they both used to kill maniacs, but kant gives you crowd control, revolver provides more precision.
kant is more suitable for close encounters with ragers, revolver can kill gunners much faster.
slate notch
I tried the kant in a few games and although it is a good weapon, the special is not as remarkable as I thought and I'm not sure it's worth swapping to it from revolver just for that
faint vapor
I tried the kant in a few games and although it is a good weapon, the special is...
Yeah needs heavy damage boosts/rending
slate notch
No idea about lawbringer or agripinaa, I don't know if they're even worth
clear knot
Kshotgun so good :3
open echo
how does the csp grab work?
obtuse stirrup
I tried the kant in a few games and although it is a good weapon, the special is...
Kant is different role
It's also wave clear
open echo
how does the csp grab work?
700hrs and i still haven't figured it out
elfin steppe
what is csp grab
obtuse stirrup
Revolver is strictly a special fucker
open echo
what is csp grab
chaos spawn grab
open echo
It comes as a giant left sweep
ye ik that part
sharp zodiac
And it also has some range if you back dodge
sharp zodiac
It basically begins eating you to gain health back
Or if teammates are near, throw you but not before SMACKING you
open echo
It basically begins eating you to gain health back
ye what i'm more curios about it why it does it
or what causes it
slate notch
Kant is different role
It's different but close. I mean, if they nerf the revolver to the ground and we are forced to swap to something as close as it is the zarona now, shotguns would probably fill that spot
obtuse stirrup
The chomping only happens if you don't have somebody else enter close range
elfin steppe
Probably sliding backward is the best way to dodge it.
vocal pulsar
Slide to the right
open echo
what i'm asking is why and when it does it
vocal pulsar
Best way to avoid
open echo
yes.
obtuse stirrup
This, of course, is heresy.
elfin steppe
The best way is to man up and kill it fast.
obtuse stirrup
The best way is to man up and kill it fast.
So sayeth The Emperor.
elfin steppe
Unless you get grabbed on fire it's usually not a problem
merry flume
zealot needs a dual knife weapon with more cleave and vanguard attacks
the new one is fun but my finger starts to hurt from using it
sharp zodiac
The knife people do not deserve more reasons to be who they are
vocal pulsar
Sorry to say I agree with the fr*nchie
clear knot
whats a vtuber?
tulip valve
i love virtual youtubers
fleet zealot
whats a vtuber?
distant lark
fleet zealot
merry flume
social gaming spaces are cooked
fleet zealot
social gaming spaces are cooked
ripe quest
ember yew
fleet zealot
<:finger:998346529075118201>
illinois
the emperor is technically a vtuber when he projects himself
he's just a bone dude on a chair
distant lark
vtubers are freaky
solar gorge
i'd agree but it's coming from you
ornate bone
mfs got candles on his back
median steeple
@sterile stone You can preload HD2 now
ornate bone
dont wear hairspray
median steeple
back mounted flamethrower
distant lark
hairspray is for women
fleet zealot
i'd agree but it's coming from you
solar gorge
i love jerma
median steeple
If you mute the audio of when he laughs really hard it looks like he is sobbing
ornate bone
hairspray is for women
men wear hairspray
distant lark
men use mud and gasoline
ripe quest
If you mute the audio of when he laughs really hard it looks like he is sobbing
He always makes the most aggressive attempt at frowning while he laughs.
visual stream
The Teacher Noise Incident
ripe quest
men use mud and gasoline
Bro's stuck in the 1915's 💀
median steeple
solar gorge
best streamer worldwide
fleet zealot
i've followed jerma since he was a tf2 youtuber
jerma vs ster jerma vs ster
everyone wants to see this happen
lusty turtle
<:finger:998346529075118201>
Stan got you?
north sedge
He on a rampage
ripe quest
Stan got you?
4 times yeah
lusty turtle
Needs to be contained
ripe quest
I couldn't fit all of them
lusty turtle
Amazing
ripe quest
here are the first three
lusty turtle
north sedge
elfin steppe
opaque island
42 minutes of hell godamn
ripe quest
Yooo hotfix, can't wait for the repo dump to spill some juicy secrets.
opaque island
yo clipping issue fixes lets fucking goooooo
solar gorge
it's only for the savlar stuff i think
and even more specifically for the female model
fleet zealot
sharp zodiac
median steeple
who can it be now
sharp zodiac
Créature
spare talon
who can it be now
sharp zodiac
Why are there so many pictures of closeup cats
You are disturbing their personal space
ornate bone
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1120299759316520960/1204386801364770816/1...
"You done effed up now!"
coarse birch
You are disturbing their personal space
stan that you
sharp zodiac
What the fuck
That literally looked normal how did that happen
OH
American keyboard moment
fading vale
Why are there so many pictures of closeup cats
median steeple
big ol eyes
clear knot
what a steve
sharp zodiac
median steeple
bug
sharp zodiac
Bugcat
frank night
Cats
lusty turtle
can't believe lazor hates morris now
proud kraken
power glaive fuck yeah
sharp zodiac
can't believe lazor hates morris now
Maurice*
proud kraken
mods
ivory marlin
hey gamers
exotic portal
ivory marlin
how goes gaming
proud kraken
very well
fading vale
can't believe lazor hates morris now
sharp zodiac
I've been trying multiple battlefields
So far no luck in getting back into them
V was a dust
1..I don't remember
Now I'm trying 3 and 4
open pollen
have you tried the 'battlebit' folks were crazy about for like, a week?
exotic portal
power glaive fuck yeah
Power spear next?
sharp zodiac
have you tried the 'battlebit' folks were crazy about for like, a week?
Never heard of it
ivory marlin
why tf do i have 200 gb of temp files
open pollen
Supposedly it was more of a battlefield game than their recent titles, but a low fidelity version made by an indie team.
sharp zodiac
My bad
ivory marlin
why is he 400 gb
open pollen
chonker
sharp zodiac
Because he is fat
exotic portal
He is too fat
open pollen
beeg chonk
ivory marlin
jesus
sharp zodiac
exotic portal
is there?
Mod through the first psyker power sword, up unto a strike/impact?
Just crosses animations, no?
median steeple
the only time I've seen these fucked up weapons in actual gameplay is the crusher/ironhelm glaive
median steeple
I have yet to see gameplay of guns missing pieces or anything done with the force sword
sharp zodiac
Glados
median steeple
kitty phalanx
ivory marlin
who up darking they tide rn?