zealot-class

[ripe quest]

aint no way

[opaque island]

any competitive video game chat gets muted if possible

[dim tapir]

My condolences

[sharp zodiac]

I'm only 19

[opaque island]

chivalry 2 and mordhau will teach you this in a day

[dim tapir]

Imagine thinking that having a job makes you unable to talk lmao

[lusty turtle]

does it happen like an xray kill cam

[blissful sinew]

unrealistic, you've already had a plate put in you geriatric

[mossy scarab]

Is it my youthful and graceful wind that has you fooled?

[opaque island]

im sorry for what you're about to have to experience (growing up)

[mossy scarab]

Thats just gas

[ripe quest]

No I'm more looking at the "this guy is literally double my age"

[dim tapir]

Nah i talk in those too

[mossy scarab]

You're just a baby!

thats adorable!

[dim tapir]

Just don’t be made of paper and you’ll be fine

[lusty turtle]

damn exil is a baby

[opaque island]

33 year old with a zone-sama pfp, everyone point and laugh :^)

/s

[mossy scarab]

There's no age limit on degeneracy

[dim tapir]

I mean he’s the age to be into zone I guess

[opaque island]

fucking destroyed

[dim tapir]

So am I

[sharp zodiac]

Exhil is too young

[dim tapir]

I just don’t use porn pfps

[mossy scarab]

Hey, there's no porn involved here

[sharp zodiac]

Bring out the spirit of st Louis

[dim tapir]

Yes there is

[opaque island]

https://tenor.com/view/swag-nelly-country-grammar-song-grin-swing-gif-20856740

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/have-at-thee-rat-jump-gif-3333922911057271749

[unique elbow]

anime pfp is bad enough

[sharp zodiac]

Warp rat

[dense field]

imagine having a pfp

[opaque island]

i was waiting for someone to call me out next, at least im not a stupid moth

[mossy scarab]

Also I've had this pfp since discord first came around and I'm resistant to change

[dim tapir]

Being on discord is bad enough smh

[unique elbow]

not you specifically, you're in the same boat as the other guy

[mossy scarab]

My steam avatar is still cringe af but I set it when I was 18 and I thought it was cool

[dim tapir]

I’ve had this pfp since Christmas a few years ago

[opaque island]

I try not to think about this too much

[dim tapir]

It used to be the unedited version

I liked the hat too much to get rid of it

[blissful sinew]

vash is based thoughever

[opaque island]

love and peace!🤞

[dim tapir]

You just wish you could experience the joys of lamp

[opaque island]

I play an RP atmospherics simulator that is infested with moth people, i know of lamp

[dim tapir]

So you’re actually a moth wearing an anime suit

[opaque island]

moth

[opaque island]

iykyk

[mossy scarab]

That's a mothroach, sir

[opaque island]

sauce me up papi

[opaque island]

you are incorrect, it is just the head of a moth

[white frost]

Just wanna say, that ever since I tried martyrdom zealot, Im not looking back lmao

its so much fun doing that much damage and the attack speed

[opaque island]

you're a skyrat enjoyer arent you?

[dim tapir]

Martyr is the best way to play zealot

[opaque island]

big agree

[mossy scarab]

Im just amazed I saw space station 13/14 in the wild

[white frost]

Combine it the talent that prevents stuns when getting hit and you're just so fast with the attack speed

[lusty turtle]

weak aura

[dim tapir]

Smelly aura

[opaque island]

I was trying not to mention the actual name as bait for any other Station heads out there

[white frost]

I never tried it until they nerfed fire (it used to instantly delete toughness), now its pretty good

[opaque island]

you took it hook line and sinker

[lusty turtle]

[dim tapir]

It was still good then

[mossy scarab]

Nope. Delta-V

[ripe quest]

I'm starting to associate those emotes and overall theme to you instead of the vtuber's community from whence they came.

[opaque island]

ss13/14 is more popular now anyway since people have streamed and made videos on it, its not really AS niche anymore

[open echo]

got a new revi (right) is it better than my current one (left)?

[still quartz]

[lusty turtle]

thats like when someone complained they started associating ryan gosling and bladerunner with me

cause of

[opaque island]

I cant say shit, i only ever played on Bee when i did play it alot , never even heard of Delta-V

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/kobo-こぼ-ホロライブ-kobo-kanaeru-hololive-id-gif-4581204270646386972

[ripe quest]

Would depend on the breakpoints you're hitting with Maniac vs. Elites.

[mossy scarab]

Delta-V is from 14.

[ripe quest]

why do they have two sets of eyebrows

[open echo]

just using elites to be able to 2 hit maulers and 3 hit crushers

[mossy scarab]

14 has a lot less content but it's a hell of a lot more intuitive. and on steam.

[opaque island]

I thought those were just hair coloring or something since they dont move

[ripe quest]

You can see them twitch w/ the eyes

[ripe quest]

Probs keep the +Elites one then.

[opaque island]

i went back up and saw it after i typed that message

but i stand by my incorrectness and wont delete/change it

[indigo ridge]

Anyone have any suggestions for a ranged weapon for an eviscerator charge throwing knife build?

I'm just wondering if there's anything considered better than the revolver for that build

[fleet zealot]

good question

https://tenor.com/view/amelia-watson-amelia-watson-surprised-amelia-watson-laptop-gif-21835167

[tribal yacht]

Love my boltor when am charging

[fleet zealot]

BOLTORB

[tribal yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/wh40k-bolter-gif-13397108

[sharp zodiac]

Boltor

(derogatory)

[lusty turtle]

[tribal yacht]

Have you consider boltor ?

[sharp zodiac]

Couldn't get into the giant hunk of metal

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/sana-tsukumo-sana-hololive-vtuber-virtual-youtuber-gif-24469088

infecting this server

[indigo ridge]

all right I'll try the bolter god damn XD

[lusty turtle]

boltor is fine

it exists

[fleet zealot]

pretty sure some of the vshojo gals or adjacent but not vshojo gals played darktide with bricky

[tribal yacht]

Maybe the boltor

https://tenor.com/view/troll-troll-face-gif-25116980

[lusty turtle]

idk i don't like bricky's content

[dawn wharf]

Someone melted my heart in the Mourningstar last night

[lusty turtle]

nice!

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/pog-wow-vtuber-gif-19580279

[unique elbow]

I just stay away from vtube in general. It's for the best, I understand why homo sapiens eliminated the neanderthals. Too close to human, not human enough. Monster, you gotta defend the tribe.

[south wren]

BRO Melk COOKING?!111

[dawn wharf]

I'm stealing this gif

[lusty turtle]

wat

[unique elbow]

uncanny valley.

[fleet zealot]

crowd control is attack speed

but you got skullcrusher 4 for free at least

[lusty turtle]

[south wren]

exactly

[livid siren]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1156516027358777405/1189079890188845190/togif.gif

[sharp zodiac]

Creative

[dawn wharf]

Skullcrusher stacks to 8 on an enemy right?

[sharp zodiac]

Freak

[south wren]

this is my actual one

[dawn wharf]

Is that Crusher skin in-game or a customization mod?

[ember yew]

weapon customization mod

[dawn wharf]

I wanna better crusher skin so bad T.T

[ember yew]

available on nexus

[south wren]

extended weapon customisation

[dawn wharf]

I gotta download that

[ripe quest]

Yeah.

[south wren]

u can make absolute banger skins with it

[dawn wharf]

Does it have cosmetics for players too?

Or just weapon assets?

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-serious-excuse-me-reading-gif-13121148

[south wren]

only weapon cosmetics

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/gawr-gura-gif-27583886

little do yall know

i'm a vtuber

simply on break

[dawn wharf]

I mean, why wouldn't I put a bayonet on it

[ripe quest]

This explains a bit.

[south wren]

exactly. Also u can put flashlights on almost everything

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/vtubers-youtube-anime-weebs-vtuber-gif-20445007

the truth

[dawn wharf]

Anyone able to lemme know if I buggered my Crusher build btw? Can't think of much I would change about it right now
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b43cbb1-0214-45e8-8211-5d532e743031/heretic-crusher?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[lusty turtle]

its impossible to bugger a crusher build

[dawn wharf]

I stopped using Chastise since I kept forgetting to use it after not needing it

[dawn wharf]

It do be like that lol

[lusty turtle]

i think other than maybe needing a stagger nerf to heavy 2

[ember yew]

remove swift certainty and pick until death

[lusty turtle]

crusher is in a good space

[fleet zealot]

sadly not the truth

full of trans and degen w*men

[south wren]

thunderstrike to skullcrusher

[ripe quest]

They need to get rid of the 0.001x stagger resistance mod on the Deimos stabs too

[south wren]

also idk how anyone plays without thy wrath be swift

[dawn wharf]

Oh ignore that nvrmind, it's meant to be Skullcrusher lol

[lusty turtle]

oh ye psyker exists

[dawn wharf]

Depends on the weapon for me. For most I'm fine, but it's really nice on Thammer

[hushed knoll]

Skelly

[fleet zealot]

tbh

[lusty turtle]

stan

[fleet zealot]

crusher doesn't really need twbs

[sharp zodiac]

Man I'm bored

[south wren]

did u know thy wrath be swift also works on gunner fire? thats mostly why i take it honestly

[hushed knoll]

Exhil

[hushed knoll]

Why are you scared

[fleet zealot]

we are all aware

[lusty turtle]

you ruined my good name (again)

[hushed knoll]

I did nothing

[dawn wharf]

I play a lot of other classes, so I got used to the Ranged Stagger to but that is a big selling point for TWBS for sure

[south wren]

yup, i like bumrushing gunners and bonking them with crusher

[dawn wharf]

The main reason I pick up TWBS is how much I mind being interrupted mid heavy swing which is mainly on Thammer when I'm trying to pickup Thrust Stacks

[lusty turtle]

oh i have the uhhh

uninterruptable

forgor name

[dawn wharf]

Oh Punishment right?

[frank night]

get his ass

[south folio]

OwO

[lusty turtle]

ye

[sharp zodiac]

Morris

[dawn wharf]

Any reason to run Until Death without Holy Rev though?

[lusty turtle]

idgaf if impact bad, its a thunder hammer i wanna throw enemies around

[sharp zodiac]

Considering: funny ragdolls

Will always be better than optimization

[dawn wharf]

Vigil station's last defense is super fun with Crusher since you can just toss them into the abyss

[lusty turtle]

Yeye

[ripe quest]

Your curio setup is counter-synergetic to Desperation while also not doing a whole lot. You can PA at 0% stamina, at most you can run +stam gen if you feel more comfy with that. I'd personally drop retributor's stance, SC (considering curios you do not need it), and EWEW + Disdain all to grab Second Wind, rn your toughness gen is coherency + EWEW, a burst on a 60s cooldown, and a 40% burst on an 8s cooldown.

[dawn wharf]

Also I got my first Chorus insta kill on a Plague Ogryn the other day

[lusty turtle]

Based

[dawn wharf]

You can PA without stam on crusher???

[ripe quest]

You can just in general. There's a timing to it.

[ember yew]

Yes, as it's still a 5 second of total invul and 120 sec cd is not that long, Swift Certainty is dropped these days in most builds

[dawn wharf]

Aaaah okay

[frank night]

me

[lusty turtle]

Lunk

[ripe quest]

If you spam pushes though sometimes you'll get stuck without any stamina-related action for a second or two, I used to struggle w/ it

same happens if you try to push out of a full sprint.

[sharp zodiac]

Yes

I am lunk

[south folio]

you can push as long as you have a nonzero amount of stamina, so even something like 0.001% stamina would let you push

[sharp zodiac]

(she/they)

[frank night]

fr

[proud kraken]

what the fuck did the emperor give me

[frank night]

a gun

[sharp zodiac]

Not just a gun

[lusty turtle]

borderlands gun

[sharp zodiac]

The gun

[dawn wharf]

On the way to Second Wind, should I go Scourge or Blood redemption?

[sharp zodiac]

Farmed off Garry Lewis of broken roads on Pandora

[dawn wharf]

I feel since Crusher is already finesse-y, Scourge is probably not a bad pick

[sharp zodiac]

Probably

[ripe quest]

Crusher doesn't have good base crit chance so you won't really ever proc it.

[frank night]

[ripe quest]

Neither are particularly phenomenal but BR will outpace EWEW if you're aggressive.

[sharp zodiac]

Real

[dawn wharf]

I will say I love having Second Wind + Enduring Faith at the same time

[hushed agate]

Scrap metal

[dawn wharf]

I may still swap Until Death to Disdain, but it makes a good flex point

[woeful oyster]

Chorus, gross

[ripe quest]

You don't have anything to proc Enduring Faith often.

[dawn wharf]

Oh shit, you're right

Swapped that out for Holy Rev to make Until Death a bit nicer

Update after suggestions:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b43cbb1-0214-45e8-8211-5d532e743031/heretic-crusher?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[indigo ridge]

I gave the bolter one more shot and I'm just not vibin

[open echo]

shame

[frank night]

alas

ask not for whom the bolter vibes

it vibes for thee

[open echo]

completley bricked right?

:(

[lone pecan]

Could change wrath and the weak spot damage, won't be perfect but usable

[obtuse stirrup]

Holy Revenant is kinda crap now, it just protects you from chip damage

[open echo]

this is what i currently have

[obtuse stirrup]

My crackhead-with-a-knife build takes only Until Death because it's more or less essential imo

[ripe quest]

Probs just swap Momentum to Rampage and +Weakspot to +Flak

[north shuttle]

Weak spot and unyielding are fine, you def don’t need wrath or momenetum

[open echo]

but the cleave capppp

[obtuse stirrup]

when it was totally refilling your HP it was worthy, but now it's just kinda... there.

[ripe quest]

You get a good deal of CC + you can hit that target cap on elites instead of just bruisers and fodder.

[open echo]

i enjoy momentum on xv, but a t1 bugs me

[open echo]

oh true

you smarter

[ripe quest]

I mean, it went from being a 1/6th of a build to 1/30th (or 1/15th depending on how you look at it). For the cost you get one of the best safety nets in the game.

[obtuse stirrup]

Until Death is the safety net imo, Holy Revenant is an enhancer for it

it's ok, but it's just ok now

it's a low priority point

[frank night]

https://tenor.com/view/bart-simpson-strangle-gif-10314540

[open echo]

you kinda need to grab it if your pathing that way

[ripe quest]

It would depend on the player a bit. ime having that health regen prevents chip damage from making Until Death useless.

[elfin steppe]

Why can't they change this node

[north sedge]

change?

[elfin steppe]

Every time I go crit build I feel taxed by this node so hard

[dawn wharf]

Yeah I'd hate for after 5 secs of invulnerability to be lost to one lucky smackarooni

But it really depends how comfy you are at 1hp until medicae/medkit

[obtuse stirrup]

It's only my knife pervert build that doesn't take it tbf

and I can play more passive until it's back up or I can heal then

if I get caught out and hurt, I'm taking more than a wound of damage at a time

[dawn wharf]

Also thanks for all the help everyone!

[ripe quest]

It can be a bit annoying on builds that don't have backstabs in mind at all, not worth it to base BPs off of it and it'll usually just come up against elites targeting other players.

[north shuttle]

It’s bonus damage on beast of nurgle

[ripe quest]

I guess it does come up on BoN

[elfin steppe]

You know I'm an Evi user, this is totally a dead node for me.

Even the knife can get something from disdain, the other two nodes are good almost for any weapon, but backstabber is just terrible.

[spare dome]

lmao

im trying to conceptualize a gamespace now where these types are in charge of balancing

"how do we bring up the other auras to be as baseline as survivalist?"

ogryn aura now just makes suppressed enemies autoamtically explode

100% sprint speed aura for vet

zealot loner aura now does the shit on reddit baselessly believe it does

endless possibilities

[obtuse stirrup]

lizardman quotient in fully effect with those bottom 3 responses

[spare dome]

"its a PvE coop game where your teammates are irrelevant 🙂 we are smart man"

[fleet zealot]

i think the best way to fix survivalist

is to nerf it

[spare dome]

i mean yea

[south folio]

shoot it in its kneecaps

[fleet zealot]

and give every other class a "weak" ammo coherency, replace loner and suppressed enemies with like, Tithe for zealots (When any teammates picks up ammo in coherency, regen x% of your own ammo)

and idk, ogryn can get all ammo pick ups in coherency are larger

[spare dome]

leave it for dead in a trash filled gutter

[fleet zealot]

and give gunker some discount lucky bullet passive

make it weaker and diversify the game so it literally isn't the ONLY option

[south folio]

my initial suggestion was to just buff ammo pickups, but tying ammo regen to a talent in a tree on X action could be fine

[fleet zealot]

tying ammo regen talents to ammo pickups

would be good imo

cause survivalist just skips the base gameplay mechanic for kills

[spare dome]

idk why we dont just have the VT2 solution

of having map-fixed ammo crates

[fleet zealot]

I think cause in darktide

ammo crates would be way more campable

[spare dome]

i mean they were in VT2 as well, if you wanted to

[lusty turtle]

i want it either removed or halved

[spare dome]

i want it sleeping with the fishes

[lusty turtle]

because VT had that AND insane ammo regen

and it wasn't healthy there either

[ripe quest]

I think coherency auras in general need to be looked at with a post P13 mindset. Coherency regen is no longer even remotely close to a major part of your toughness regen and the only exception is if you max it out w/ Ogryn.

[lusty turtle]

(god ranged meta vt was dark days)

[fleet zealot]

tie survivalist to ammo pickups somehow, tithe gives zealot some ammo when you pick it up, make it so everyone gets a tiny % refill when ammo is picked up

[ripe quest]

The aura effects themselves are either not needed, minor passive buffs, or survivalist

[obtuse stirrup]

5% crit and 10% cooldown reduction are nice

[spare talon]

This cannot be tied to coherency though, you'd have to basically be camping the vet at all times

[obtuse stirrup]

the psyker ones

[spare dome]

i'm still firmly in camp 'remove it and adjust ammo pools' mind you

[lusty turtle]

the best aura in the game is the corruption heal one, we need more things like taht were it has an actual impactful effect for being with that teamate, without making a core gameplay component irrelevant

[obtuse stirrup]

It's a pity that the nodes above it are nurgleshit

[spare talon]

5% crit as an aura is pitiful honestly

[south folio]

though that's mostly cuz corruption itself is pretty irrelevant

[spare dome]

because of VoC partially

[south folio]

so corruption heal is felt and simultaneously not very much of a deal

[fleet zealot]

I think it would be healthier than the current iteration

[obtuse stirrup]

tbf I mostly take it to make my own trauma staff start fires more consistently

[lusty turtle]

need more stuff like the twins fight that introduces corruption as a threat

[fleet zealot]

and plus, redditors complain about people not sticking together in coherency

but i see your point

[south folio]

yeah, i really do think that they could do more with the "reducing max hp" mechanic

[spare dome]

replace all auras with a sick jetpack and skateboard so we can do aerial kickflips off the heretics hell yea

[spare talon]

But half of the ammo is literally out of the way of the mission
If the vet breaks off for a quick sec to resupply, that ammo wouldn't get split to the team

[fleet zealot]

it would teach players to play around thier team more, zealots ping ammo and wait for a teammate to pick it up to tithe

[spare talon]

Like yeah it would be healthier for the game, but tying that with coherency too would bring its own issues

[ripe quest]

I think it can be done in a couple ways, having stuff that's mechanically interesting would be nice. However I'm not sure if you could make enough variety with that in mind. At least with Vet I want the coherency aura to be tied-in to properly thought out keystones.

[spare talon]

Given how annoying it is to ping a med crate, ammo crate, grenade or stim and no one picks it up when it's right there and they can hold it, I think this would end up causing more frustration than anything

Sitting there camping the ammo waiting for them to come grab it but they just never do

[spare dome]

whats funny to me at lesat

is that i swear

the ammo economy is already pretty damn balanced

IF you deleted survivalist

[indigo ridge]

the revolver just has too much of what I need in terms of handling and armor punch

[spare dome]

like that is the only thing ripping it all apart rn that i can see

there's a handful of weps that could still use a bigger reserve but thats all

and said weapons probably need more than just that to fix em up anyway

[indigo ridge]

I feel bad both my 'melee' characters are using revolvers, but at least they're different revolvers XD

[south folio]

middle keystone upgrade node where killing marked targets gives x% ammo in a reserve pouch
you can either give ammo to a teammate or tap into this reserve ammo when at 0 ammo

[spare talon]

just thinking about it, if survivalist was not in the game, there would be a significant number of people who could no longer do damnation probably

[ripe quest]

It's kinda why I want +power blessings nuked so we could get balanced damage profiles on weapons. Some of the more defining things like Thrust and BM can become weapon specific mechanics that add to identity.

[south folio]

tbf, the ammo economy nowadays is pretty good for most weapons

ogryn and vet have +25% ammo talents

[spare talon]

you DONT want headtaker slaughterer on the same weapon????

[south folio]

zealot has throwing knives, and psyker is psyker

[ripe quest]

Like rn if you look at base Mk XII Chaxe and Mk XV Evis, the Evis is better for most situations. However Chaxe has Headtaker, Slaughterer, and Thrust which heavily skew it.

[light holly]

Weapon blessings being mandatory on some weapons do suck though I will say as much

[south folio]

power cycler moment

[light holly]

BM on rashad

Pc4

[south folio]

the power sword essentially becomes a weapon with 1 free blessing slot

[light holly]

Its a littlle unhealthy

[south folio]

and even that second blessing slot is between either BM or sunder

[light holly]

And if folks don't know they may never know how good some of these weapons can get

[spare talon]

power cycler is a weird case
it functionally changes the weapon way more than other blessings that are just a stat increase with a conditional youll hit by just playing the game
but it also just lets you use "the good mode" more often so it doesnt actually add anything new to how you play with it

[ripe quest]

See I don't actually think that would be much of a problem if you had other blessings that were similar mechanic changes and were interesting to use.

[light holly]

Well BM for rashad turns it into

A shit weapon with 0 horde clear

[south folio]

yeah, if the other blessings were of similar strength

[light holly]

Up to A tier

Like, it's not the only case

Same as the sapper shovel

[ripe quest]

Actually Caxe without BM is kinda similar to how Knife operates.

[stone rivet]

Is fury of faithful good for an crit build?

[south folio]

yeah non-BM caxe is proper single-target

[ripe quest]

Really good single target weird crowd damage.

[spare dome]

idk i like nonbm Antax

[light holly]

With skull crusher makes it alot better

[spare dome]

its theraputic

[ripe quest]

You'd be PA reliant.

[ripe quest]

Yeah it's good. With crit CDR you can spam it.

[light holly]

Which is terrible

The cleave is awful

[spare talon]

yes
fury/chastise honestly fits perfectly in with basically every build

i use chastise with my crit build too

[obtuse stirrup]

Fury does everything you want basicly

Toughness regen, repositioning, crowd carving

[ripe quest]

It wouldn't be much different to V2 stuff where you'd just be PA reliant. We have crowd softening ranged weapons so it doesn't instantly gimp the weapon.

[south folio]

if people like the knife then i'm sure it'll be fine
cuz axes also get headtaker and decimator and the other fun stuff

[spare talon]

increased attack speed
armor damage
toughness regen
mobility
its all in one

[obtuse stirrup]

but the best part is that node that gives it 2 charges

oh, and the armour damage

that's fucking huge

[light holly]

I mean, for a melee with the difference between

[obtuse stirrup]

but yeah, the best part is 2 charges on a class that can generate ability cooldown very rapidly

[light holly]

Having no horde clear to having the best the problem is doubled

Wait what's PA?

[ripe quest]

In a world without BM Taxe would become cooler

Knife horde clear but with power blessings lmao

[spare talon]

a lot of people have said that "oh with crit cdr you dont need the second charge" and i think theyre fucking crazy

[ripe quest]

Push Attack

[light holly]

That is true!

[light holly]

Oh

[ripe quest]

The Caxe's have solid cleave push attacks on them

8-9.5 cleave

The Antax has a really solid one.

[light holly]

But then that isn't blessing reliable on vt2

[obtuse stirrup]

There's a very good reason why they were mutually exclusive before talent trees existed

[light holly]

I swear that damage was very low though

[obtuse stirrup]

and that's because MY GODEMPEROR THE SYNERGY

[light holly]

Even if it did cleave it didn't really

Kill

Which, I have a rashad with BM

[obtuse stirrup]

it ensures you theoretically never lose any value from the regeneration part

[light holly]

I swear PA is trolling because it doesn't even kill the horde

It just helps make a little stagger

[ripe quest]

Yeah I mean, it's not a BM light but it's solid for a weapon that would get double power blessings with a really strong single target profile.

[light holly]

*nod

[ripe quest]

A kant fire round would make that PA fine for horde clear.

[light holly]

I always saw Kant fire being you just spammed it

Not as a setup

But it could be worth expanding my mind for that much

[ripe quest]

You'd just do 1 or 2 shots to coat a horde then use PAs, similar usage on the Knife.

[spare talon]

that too
but even with crit cdr
i still find myself sometimes needing to charge 2 times in rapid succession
whether it be for toughness regen, to stagger something thats about to fuck me up, or just to get that last armor ignoring hit on that mauler in the crowd so i can clean them up swiftly

[south folio]

give vet chastise

[ripe quest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/853424105277882388/1116188425096278056/youd.gif

[spare talon]

ogryn chastise

[south folio]

+45% melee attack speed

[spare talon]

with the flame bullet perk

[south folio]

weapon spec + trench fighter + chastise

[south folio]

OwO

is the solution going to be "give chastise to every class"

[light holly]

We got chastise at home

[ripe quest]

The fact that the armor downgrade is on Zealot of all things is funny.

[light holly]

(Weapon spec) 😌

[south folio]

so true

but wher mah dash

[light holly]

Not to say Weapon spec is bad it's really good

[obtuse stirrup]

Psyker Chastise "SIMPLETOOOOOOOOOOOONS!"

[spare talon]

oh yeah i still dont know if it was an audio change or actually what im thinking it was
ive only really used chastise with either my melee or my revolver so i never noticed until i used my brauto with it
does chastise increase ranged firerate? am i stupid for not knowing this yet?

[south folio]

oh yeah i'm a weapon spec enjoyer currently

[obtuse stirrup]

actually that would be pretty lit

[ripe quest]

20% global attack speed buff

[lone pecan]

explodes

[spare talon]

thought so

[south folio]

yeah the attack speed also applies to ranged attacks

chastise truly is a ranged ult

[spare talon]

theres literally no reason to not run this unless your doing a monsterous maelstrom or karnak twin fight for the enemy ping debuff keystone

its just free everything

[ripe quest]

Imagine running Keystones

[spare talon]

how to turn your vet from a bumbling oaf into a zealot with a different coat of paint

[south folio]

free +15% attack speed for just shooting something

[spare talon]

ez

[south folio]

and highly sane and balanced interaction with the revolver

[spare talon]

and you can get the additional attack speed above it too

[south folio]

and vet still having one of the best melees in the game (psword)

[spare talon]

i have 57 more god damn rounds in this 5 round chamber

[south folio]

patch 12 melee vets eating good

[ripe quest]

You can also obtain Chainsword on a Vet.

Very balanced.

totes

[coarse birch]

Arco went from bolter vet to psword vet

[south folio]

chainsword good?

i was always a psword vet

[ripe quest]

Absurd crowd damage.

[coarse birch]

I like the new one

On vet

[spare talon]

i still have yet to use a chainsword

[coarse birch]

Attack speed buffs make it funny

[ripe quest]

I haven't compared it to Power Sword yet tbf. All I know is it's one of the best if not the best melee crowd damage you can get on Zealot

[south folio]

patch 12 psword was vewy vewy slow https://youtu.be/W5ZgaiQyzFE?list=PLSTfdgZJQDpF2YnzqGB96vq17A8Bkf89T&t=65

[spare talon]

i also dont think i could justify not using a dclaw on vet too with how much survivablity it gives me to make up for the loss of zealots absurd talents

[south folio]

and it makes me wish that psyker had melee attack speed or any attack speed stuff in general

ANY sort of melee stuff for psyker besides damage buffs that happen to affect melee would be neat

[coarse birch]

I wish dd gave it

[spare talon]

yes im sure that attack speed with illisi light spam will be balanced

[coarse birch]

Or there were nodes on its path

[south folio]

i will kill people who mention light spam on the illisi

[elfin steppe]

that's some next gen graphic

[spare talon]

why tho

[south folio]

gamer graphics

[lone pecan]

I spam lights on the deimos

[solar gorge]

darktide but in roblox

[south folio]

cuz light spam on the illisi is equivalent to using the obscurus

[coarse birch]

His graphics are optimal

[south folio]

the special is what defines the illisi

[solar gorge]

bwahahah

[ripe quest]

gamer graphics

[misty raven]

Empowered illisi heavies feel nice

[spare talon]

i meant using the charge>light>charge>light>charge>light>charge>light>

[south folio]

oh ok you're good

(heavy specials pwetty pwease)

[coarse birch]

L1 H1 would be p good with Attack speed, would likely lose to special still

Er h1 l2

[south folio]

at least in patch 12, special heavies on the illisi cleared a poxwalker horde in 2x less time than the light/heavy combo

i haven't bothered to time it currently since i'm no longer on the illisi grind

[coarse birch]

Its pretty similar

Light/heavy works

[spare talon]

i have seen the light since then too

[coarse birch]

Special clears

[south folio]

i need to time it just so that I can just post my results to people who mention illisi normal light spam in psyker chat

[spare talon]

but it is still a very strong weapon with very little thought needed to do well with it

[south folio]

yeah

[coarse birch]

Do people still light spam

[south folio]

some people mention light spamming to be similar to using the special and that makes me want to die inside

[ripe quest]

Just say that Obscurus is better for that and watch them implode

[light holly]

On my rashad yeah 😌

[coarse birch]

Did they

Actually use

The Special

What

[south folio]

i don't think it's been mentioned in recent time so all has been well

[north sedge]

nah man you only need lights, on any weapon

[coarse birch]

True

[south folio]

also who keeps on pinging me in random chats

[coarse birch]

Esp crusher

[solar gorge]

Bull's butcher moment

[coarse birch]

Blame mittens

[south folio]

so true

@frank night bitch

you probably didn't do it but here's your daily injection

[spare talon]

yeah why the fuck would i take 3x the time to hit an enemy when i can just hit them now

also completely unrelated why do hordes take so long to clear

[south folio]

usually people who think that the special is too slow and they often get hit during their swings
which is fair but also not too frequently happening that you just abandon using it

[coarse birch]

Yeah Special light works there

[south folio]

god i really want a better tutorial in this game that just tells people to dodge sideways

[coarse birch]

Or a reg heavy

Now that we cant dodge forever its slightly more common

Psyker is truly oppressed

[south folio]

so true

[ripe quest]

No matter how hard I try I can't find a vet build that does this thing justice.

Always feels like I can squeeze a bit more out of it

[opaque island]

which loser do i want to play as?

[south folio]

i vote vet

[ripe quest]

i vote psyker so you can grind weeklies

[opaque island]

first come first serve

vet it is

[ripe quest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/487387789814661121/1204045195012874322/image0.gif

[opaque island]

what do yall think of my finances? am i bankrolling yet?

[lone pecan]

Should be enough for one good weapon roll

[spare talon]

getcho money up notcho funny up

[opaque island]

damn, i'll get there

ill be the richest MFer on the mourningstar

[spare talon]

i barely roll weapons which is why it looks like this lol

[opaque island]

i got good enough weapons to win games so i dont roll for weapons anymore either, unless i wanna try a new one

[fleet zealot]

https://youtube.com/shorts/LVlvZTZ-d1Y?si=toWNmtVJ0hcMUPTX

[frank night]

got pinged not gonna check to find out who

just gonna take a wild guess

@south folio fall down a hole

[elfin steppe]

I heard finance.

[unique elbow]

buy stuff

[grave elm]

What's the best horde clearing blessings for the Ironhelm?

[still quartz]

The usual

[spare talon]

slaughterer

[still quartz]

Thrust + Slaughterer

It can especially stack Slaughterer easily cause of its Power Attack cleaving through a bunch of non-Elites

[grave elm]

Does thrust output more DPS with it's slower attack rate?

[still quartz]

Thrust is meant to empower the Powered Up Heavy attack

So you can actually start one-shotting Elites

Even on regular Heavies, Thrust can still have good use for that extra power boost during hordes

[grave elm]

Is it better for clearing hordes though? I'm alright with elite killing power without thrust

[still quartz]

Granted you have good rhythm

Yeah it's still better

Even if you want to stack up Slaughterer with Headtaker I guess

[grave elm]

Thanks, I'll give it a go

I tried Shock and Awe and didn't notice a difference, which was disappointing. Thought it'd work like Brutal Momentum

[north shuttle]

Duelist + thrust + the stamina 0% + stealth/charge = 1 shot anything

[still quartz]

Shock and Awe sucks ass on Hammer

Simply because Hammer has no need for it

If it was on the Axe it would actually be a good Blessing

Plus Thrust + Slaughterer gives Power which increases Cleave

[grave elm]

Yeah I love BM on Achlys, it's amazing

[ripe quest]

You can get more crowd damage out of Skullcrusher but that's an Ironhelm-exclusive goofy combo.

[still quartz]

I mean I guess it's cause like

[grave elm]

Skull crusher and Slaughterer or SC and thrust

[still quartz]

You usually have to integrate the Push Attack combo into it

Slaughterer + Thrust

Just straight up

You are not beating that DPS with any other combo

[grave elm]

Does attack pattern make a difference

I like chaining powered up heavies

[polar nexus]

DPS against what?

[still quartz]

Attack pattern kinda does for Ironhelm?

[obtuse stirrup]

Sapphic fish lady

[grave elm]

Horses

[still quartz]

Everything the game throws at you

[grave elm]

Also hordes

But mainly horses

[still quartz]

I'm not saying nothing outDPS's Ironhelm Hammer if that's what you're writing an essay on

[polar nexus]

Because SC + thrust is best horse clear per exhilous findings

[still quartz]

... Odd

[still quartz]

Also really it's just for controlling the horde better

Compared to Crucis, you kinda have to press more buttons for Ironhelm

[obtuse stirrup]

Poor horses

[still quartz]

Usually when un-Powered you go Heavy 1 -> Heavy 2 into Light -> Heavy loop

If you need the crowd control and have the stamina, Push Attack -> Heavy -> Light loop is phenomenal

Chained Powered Up Heavies do work, they're just slower

And then you got Push -> Heavy 3 which is... honestly Idunno

It didn't let me one-shot a Crusher so I usually dismiss it :c

Or if you're fancypants (and have it engrained in your head since Ironhelm's release cause that was definitely me)

Heavy 1 -> Heavy 2 -> Block Cancel -> repeat lol

[ripe quest]

It is a bit odd. If you use fully charged thrust swings you can do a good bit of damage. If the crowd you're hitting was staggered prior you can outdamage chainsword and hsword for bruiser and fodder clear.

It also turns the thing into a combo weapon.

[still quartz]

But that assumes you fully charge Thrust inbetween Heavy swings?

[still quartz]

That sounds... un-safe if you ask me

[ripe quest]

If you want the peak damage yeah, otherwise you just get competitive damage to Slaught.

[opaque island]

I love that you're playing runescape

[ripe quest]

Even just 1 stack of Thrust gives it a lot.

[still quartz]

That is a funny Skullcrusher option xd

[light holly]

Damn that looks clean

[ripe quest]

It's not perfect, Slaught and Headtaker will outpace it in some cases.

SC comes with the whole "you need to debuff the enemies first" thing.

But it's fun even while ignoring some of the more busted interactions w/ skullcrusher

[visual blade]

the omnissiah blesses

THE MACHINE GOD IS MOST GENEROUS TODAY

[misty raven]

But will it bless this weapon?

[visual blade]

don't care. perks i'm okay with essentially any on an evi and blessings i can put onto it

+so far it's shaping up nicely

[north sedge]

🤔

[still quartz]

63% Shredder?

Where's my picture of the horse at the beach with the caption saying "Man"

[vast basin]

Cleave blessing on mk15

[frosty herald]

didnt arco manualy remove the textures from the game

[obtuse stirrup]

We need a zealotnomicon

Zealtheneum

Whatever

And a veteranomicon

Codex militarum I guess would be a better name

[frosty herald]

the zealot of innsmouth

[ripe quest]

Zaelorum

[ripe quest]

idk I've never tried

probs possible

but also it might be a tf2 melon thing where the game dislikes stuff like that

[south folio]

nah I didnt

I saw a screenshot of the game with gray textures tho

and not like modelling pictures but an in game screenshot I think

[frank night]

🙂

[ripe quest]

set the texture meshes to 1x1 instead of 4x4

maybe

dunno

make any number that's high 1

[solar gorge]

uh

[south folio]

@vocal pulsar stop yourself you bitch

[vocal pulsar]

? problem?

[frank night]

?problemas?

[south folio]

somebody who's in the error code server and intent on harassing me

[vocal pulsar]

Who'd waste their valuable time on the likes of you???

[south folio]

you

you BITCH

[vocal pulsar]

????

Mods, he's losing his mind

[open echo]

ffs

[calm salmon]

the only vtuber clip that actually disgusted me was some chick setting down a soda can and you just hear like 50 cans get knocked off her desk

that funny monster meme reminded me of it

[fleet zealot]

god she sounds hot

i think that's a joke

i'm not gonna think on that too hard

[calm salmon]

until she smiles and it has more holes than teeth

[hot thunder]

got a good kantreal shotgun with no respite fullbore both IV. 1 perk left to reroll - flak or unyielding?

[calm salmon]

flak

[fleet zealot]

dubious creature up to no good

[calm salmon]

keepa duh flaka

[fleet zealot]

not a deal breaker for me tbh

well actually probably yea

[frank night]

DA STINK

[fleet zealot]

like if she had issues but is following proper hygiene now

[frank night]

u forget DA STINK

[fleet zealot]

i can understand

[still quartz]

Reminds me of that clip of Rushia getting a cola then dying

Cooola, coooola, A-

[fleet zealot]

everyone makes mistakes in their pass but if they are rotting now

no thanks

[hot thunder]

Ok thanks , thougt unyielding would be nice for extra burn damage on Bosses

[fleet zealot]

brush ur teeth gal

[calm salmon]

on the non vtuber side of things, apparently asmongold lives in abject poverty status

[still quartz]

Maybe if he stopped reacting to content

[calm salmon]

like, gums bleeding he doesn't take care of himself bad

[still quartz]

He'll make more money

... Holy shit

Nvm

xd

[calm salmon]

. . . yeah

that was my reaction when I heard that one

[still quartz]

Like dude straight up does not brush his teeth?

[calm salmon]

apparently

[still quartz]

My guy, at least do it once every couple of days

[calm salmon]

nor does he clean his house

[still quartz]

Not leave it to the spirits

The shit you sacrifice to make content kek

[calm salmon]

even xqc a couple days ago was like "what the actual fuck bro"

and when xqc is calling you out on a living situation

👀

[fleet zealot]

asmongold is just peak degen

sodapoppin in another one but at least sodapoppin tries

[calm salmon]

literally the epitome of "for the content"

[fleet zealot]

but i remember like, year or so ago soda didn't know how to boil water

[calm salmon]

I make fun of myself for not knowing how to cook eggs

[fleet zealot]

and he started dating veibae somehow so he can't be taht bad

[calm salmon]

but that's a temp control thing

These streamers blow my fucking mind

[calm salmon]

and I forget they cook while on my plate

cause eggs are something I usually make in the morning while tired

[fleet zealot]

"how do you boil water" like bruh I might be a degen shut in gamer but at least I can cook and clean

[calm salmon]

"I can fix herhim"

[fleet zealot]

well, vei could equally be a degen

and that is like

[calm salmon]

sadge

[fleet zealot]

what got me waked up called as a teen

is that, regardless of gender, a human can be a degen

[calm salmon]

I just assume all vtubers are incompetent human beings

whether that's fair or not is up for debate

[fleet zealot]

i think merryweather is pretty put together iirc

a lot more normie vtubers have joined recently as well

[dim tapir]

Merryweather is a vtuber now?

[calm salmon]

The only vtuber I actually watch is Sharptooth

but he seems like a dude who actually has his shit together because he talks about a real life job

Sure, there's some people showing up to the office like an actual slob

but its few and far between

[light holly]

I will say I doo like Fillian

Works hard

Breaks like 3 index headsets every couple months

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/filian-vtuber-chewing-my-honest-reaction-my-honest-reaction-meme-gif-13203933036259498416

[calm salmon]

that and he only plays Interchange in Escape From Tarkov

[light holly]

[calm salmon]

and this is just straight up based

I learned a pretty decent chunk of repositioning tactics upstairs thanks to him

[light holly]

I gotta check em out

[dim tapir]

I might care about vtubers if I watched streamers anymore

[ripe quest]

There's an entire server dedicated to error codes?

[dim tapir]

Idk why people are so weird about them though

[north sedge]

yea thats why arco is there

[calm salmon]

Yeah, if you're trying to learn Interchange to do quests, Sharptooth is your go to.

[light holly]

https://youtu.be/YQVsrtQ11XE?si=jPELpEuHphzjY21G

[calm salmon]

Because that's literally all he plays.

[light holly]

Oh also whiskey project

Good too

[south folio]

wtf

[calm salmon]

Eh, other than sharpy boi I just watch lvndmark

cause he's chill as fuck

and actually talks to chat, even with 8700 people watching him

you can @ him with the most random ass question like "whats your favorite pasta sauce"

and now you have a 50 minute conversation about the correct noodles and pasta combinations

[ripe quest]

I like the one where the vtuber model is some chat AI and the actual person is a turtle on top of the vtuber model

[fleet zealot]

i'm acutally a bit dissapointed with asmon

cause he was a voice of reason during covid 19

and even read and talked through a few of my messages about it

[median steeple]

oh god I can't think about asmon with the roach incident in my mind

[lone pecan]

Fillian is a fever dream

[wanton shell]

Hey! Anyone else have a problem proccing scourge when you have a weapon with shred?

[still quartz]

Scourge does not proc if the enemy dies

Your weapon might be killing too good

[wanton shell]

I thought so too at first. But it doesn’t proc when I hit a bleeding enemy no matter if they die or not. As soon as I switch to another weapon it starts proccing again

Maybe there’s a load error when I switch loadouts in the psykanium?

[ripe quest]

There are a lot of weird Psyk-only issues.

I've seen scourge proccing fine ingame so it's either a visual issue or a solo lobby thing.

[wanton shell]

That might be it. I’ll have a look in game!

Thanks!

[polar nexus]

What is the weapon you are using?

[sharp zodiac]

This game is holding me hostage

[blissful sinew]

anyone have a swab the poopdeck build

[frank night]

yarharr

[median steeple]

The secret pirate enclave shows itself at last

[wanton shell]

Devils claw with shred, chainsword with shred, switched to tac axe and knife.

[elfin steppe]

What am i doing here

Our vet can play true solo i have no doubt

[spare talon]

speaking of scourge, i find if really weird that they just say "applies bleed" in the description

when it adds 2 bleed stacks

not just one

so that means that you can literally basically have a slightly worse bleed knife, but with literally every weapon, since it only would take 8 crits to get to max stacks, and you wouldnt be sacrificing weapon damage for it

and even if you do use a knife with say flesh tearer t4, thats 10 stacks of bleed on one crit, which is very much overkill (but that sure wont stop people from putting lacerate on there too)

[elfin steppe]

Scourge should be the first node of the right talent tree.

[spare talon]

true!

[north sedge]

Ok i hear you, but what if it was backstab instead

[elfin steppe]

Instead of that stupid backstabber nobody want

[spare talon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/728174260878704643/1178364672756437022/salvatory_ogryn.gif

[spare talon]

dude if the two were swapped

50% toughness replenishment node

ez

huge even

[north sedge]

I like backstab

[spare talon]

so much more value than the backstab for every build

[elfin steppe]

Getting taxed for one node is kind of huge.

[north sedge]

And with the weapons i use I'd be like "scourge is a tax node..."

[spare talon]

in most of my builds anyway i take a lot of stuff on that top right side cuz second wind is literally right there

[north sedge]

I don't play any crit weapons

[spare talon]

what do you mean
flesh tearer requires crits

gotta get those bleed stacks up

[north sedge]

Back in the day people legitimately thought i was a knife zealot

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/signalis-silly-dance-sesbian-lex-gif-4217093111555287845

[crisp path]

For chain axe, how important is shredder stat? I'm clueless. I have a 379 base grey i could grab but its 66 shredder is that ok or horrible

[spare talon]

i know literally nothing about chaxe stats
but what i can say is for you to look at the inspect screen and see exactly how much the shredder stat is doing

[north sedge]

Shredder is important

[fleet zealot]

pretty important

[crisp path]

oh i literally never noticed that ui feature before thats handy lol

thanks both

[fleet zealot]

Measure of a weapon's damage while its Special Action is active.

Damage vs First Target: [106.25 - 218.75]
Damage vs First Target: [350 - 450]
Damage vs First Target: [125 - 175]
Damage vs First Target: [687.5 - 962.5]
Damage vs First Target: [125 - 175]

[vocal pulsar]

@crisp path if you like the mk12 chaxe, this is the best you can get

you can one shot everything besides bosses

deals big boss dmg though

[crisp path]

sick lol ive never used chainaxe yet

[spare talon]

its so useful for gauging whether a low stat is not a big deal or not
my main sword i use is a devils claw mk4, and its damage is 70%
but the dclaw has such low variance in its damage based on the stat that it doesnt matter, like 70% is 2 damage lower than max for light attacks, and 20-30 damage lower for heavy attacks

most weapons mobility/defence stat also determine the number of effective dodges you can have, so theres a certain stat threshold with them where it stops mattering as much cuz it hits that maximum number of dodges (most weapons its 51%)

[ripe quest]

You can 1 shot everything except bosses on the Mk XII with a blue item

All you need is Thrust and depending on buffs maybe +Elites

[spare talon]

but other weapons, say the crusher, dodge count is unaffected by that stat, only the distance/speed is, which is less impactful than an extra dodge

[vocal pulsar]

figured. slept on hard

[ripe quest]

Indeed, both Chaxe and Chainsword are absurdly nutty in their own ways rn.

[vocal pulsar]

hope they dont nerf the mk12

it's under the radar atleast

[maiden path]

chat

where my dbd 'fans' at

[vocal pulsar]

cuz i see no one talking about it

[spare talon]

maybe i need to make a chaxe
see if i can break out of the dclaw hole i parried myself into

[ripe quest]

If people discover the twins/assassination 1 shot stuff it might get a bit more out there

[maiden path]

where my megadeth fans at

is this a metallica or megadeth chat

[vocal pulsar]

the 4 or whatever (old one) is neat

but the mk12 is amazing

[spare talon]

what general builds to people use with it, momentum?

[vocal pulsar]

momentum

[ripe quest]

Anything but crit.

[north sedge]

Well that's because chaxe is bad meme and evisc rules

[vocal pulsar]

alas, alas

[ripe quest]

Martyr works better for the Mk IV since the Mk XII doesn't need it much.

[spare talon]

but it can get bloodthirsty! that gives crit!!! SYNERGY!!!!!

[north sedge]

I prefer the mk4 generally, though i took 12 for twins fight

[ripe quest]

It has bloodletter too. Hmm maybe it's crit build viable.

[vocal pulsar]

this is what im running with the mk 12

[spare talon]

i remember liking the 12s attack patterns but i cant recall exactly what they were

[vocal pulsar]

i find myself being an elite/special hunter

[spare talon]

was it heavy attacks for crowds and lights for single target?

or am i thinking of the wrong one

[vocal pulsar]

lights for hordes, push attack for key targets in a horde, heavy attacks for single target

[vocal pulsar]

that's the 4

[spare talon]

yeah i dont have darktide open im just talking here while playing p3r lol so i cant test it at the moment

[vocal pulsar]

that's okay

i wouldnt expect anyone to remember every weapon moveset in the game

[spare talon]

ill keep it in mind tho since i should probably be trying out more weapons

[vocal pulsar]

mk12 chaxe might be my fav weapon in the game now

[spare talon]

i pretty much only use dclaw and crusher

[vocal pulsar]

tied with deimos

[ripe quest]

I usually end up running this on the Mk IV. (It's a chaxe it's just confused)

[vocal pulsar]

lmao he's poor

[ripe quest]

What the world would be if solo gave currency

[spare talon]

prolly gonna try something along the lines of this out

[ripe quest]

[south folio]

wtf did you name it chainsword

[ripe quest]

The lights on the Mk IV go so hard when it looks like a Chainsword.

[spare talon]

i personally dont really see the need for swift certainty
i know that backstab cdr isnt really synergistic, i feel like id still get more value out of the stray proc than swift certainty, but then again, this is a build for a weapon ive yet to actually use so i could be told otherwise

[vocal pulsar]

backstab cdr is great

it procs all the time for me

[spare talon]

also no you wont get me to take of SoC
i love my overtuned talent and you cant take it from me

[vocal pulsar]

i used swift certainty for a long time on the build

recently tried backtab cdr

[ripe quest]

If backstab stuff worked with rev attacks better I'd run it more on the Mk IV.

[vocal pulsar]

cdr felt way better

[sturdy owl]

"Uncanny bad"

[spare talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1103639286743576596/1151893709613437059/A544DDBC-EFAB-449A-BE66-24C259D0A299-1.gif

[vocal pulsar]

uncanny bad

it reduces a 20 hit kill to a 5 hit kill

bad blessing

[south folio]

I wonder if they'd be able to explain what rending does if asked

[spare talon]

plus with how these 3 nodes are set up, youre getting at least some value outta the backstab node cuz youre more likely to get the kill on hits to the back due to the damage increase

[vocal pulsar]

bulwarks are free cdr for me

[spare talon]

i need to see what the replies to this were

what happened to this man
did they kill him

[vocal pulsar]

its reddit

they probably agreed

and gave the post awards

[sturdy owl]

No replies as yet, but got downvoted to -3 on my end

[solar gorge]

they're braindamaged but there's still brain remnants

so I think he got corrected

[spare talon]

yeah i knew that rending being called bad wasnt gonna be agreed with more than disagreed with

even there

[fair igloo]

Is it possible for medipacks to just instantly disappear?

[spare talon]

medipacks have 500 health total

[south folio]

did you have an ogryn teammate or did it go poof

[ripe quest]

yeah just double checked the activated rev attacks don't give cdr

annoying sometimes

[fair igloo]

It just went poof and the other person didn't survive long enough to really use it up

[south folio]

sorry it was me I ate it

[spare talon]

if a vet has the perk that doubles the healing rate and you had multiple ogryns standing on it, that would be why
heal rate is percentage based so ogryns soak it up like a sponge

[fair igloo]

Hold on I got a clip of it
it literally just went poof i think arco eatid it :(

[spare talon]

an ogryn with 3 health curios can eat an entire medpack for lunch

[south folio]

shlerp

[fair igloo]

like it just despawned

[spare talon]

it may have been "healing" the two ogryns that were rescuable

somehow

[south folio]

oh maybe the ogryn ate it

[fair igloo]

fThey can be hjealed while in the rescuable state???

[south folio]

but I'm p sure it should still consume the med packs at a reduced rate

yeah they can be

[fair igloo]

ah

[south folio]

there was a patch that changed something around it

[fair igloo]

they eatid it :(

[south folio]

this is so sad

[spare talon]

i know they can be healed when downed, which reduces the bleedout timer

so maybe some code is fucking with that for rescuable states

[fair igloo]

note to self never place down medipacks near ppl who are downed or rescuable

[fleet zealot]

"psyker"

witches shouldn't be allowed opinions

[south folio]

wha

[spare talon]

i mean you can use the medpack to drop it on the downed guy if you know you wont have enough time/space to rez them before they fully die

then clear out stuff till you have enough room while theyre basically hooked up to life support lol

[spare talon]

actually

i can think of a reason why he may think that

[frank night]

🙂

[spare talon]

force swords can come with uncanny, and even with how good it is, theyre still like the only weapon that uncanny isnt best in slot for

because of their special actions

[elfin steppe]

I wish they buff bloodthirsty

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/shrug-gif-25269231

[spare talon]

next 1-4 attacks are crits, scaling with tier

[south folio]

at least the Deimos uses normals a bunch and uncanny is still a +25% damage boost at minimum except against unarmored/infested

[fair igloo]

Psyker is the only class I really can't figure out how to play
which is also weird because i used to literally play only psyker when darktide first came out

[spare talon]

dude same

[elfin steppe]

for a T4-only blessing, it's quite mid.

[fair igloo]

literalllyyy like every other class eventually clicks and i have alot of fun but psyker just feels awkward for some reason

[faint vapor]

pick trauma -> aim at feet -> spam right click

ez game

[fair igloo]

I actually need to get a good fire trauma staff

[south folio]

I basically dislike playing psyker now because I don't like its force staffs and the force swords

[spare talon]

there is a lack of quelling in this statement

[faint vapor]

??? I use 3 wound curios idk what quelling is

[south folio]

no precision force staff and illisi is a faster psword but no cool push-attack combos or power cycler

[north sedge]

Turn your graphics to this then psyker fun unlocks

[fair igloo]

"Wound curios? You mean the curios that give me 3 extra explosions to use on enemies?"

[royal vortex]

psyker just feels like a series of missed opportunites and like it needs a few more years of content releases

[south folio]

there was a poor bastard who got to lvl 30 as psyker without knowing what quelling is

[royal vortex]

before i wanna play it

for more than contracts

[faint vapor]

honestly I was kind of hoping there would be illusions when at high peril

[spare talon]

idk man force sword push attacks kinda kick ass

[faint vapor]

fake enemies at like 80% peril would be funny

[faint vapor]

lol

[south folio]

very unrelated picture

[fair igloo]

Add in don't starve style insanity enemies that are only visible/will attack psykers at high peril

[faint vapor]

??? Toy Story and 40k share the same universe of course

[north sedge]

True unrelated to arco

[south folio]

yeah they have their use but I want something that I can offensively mix into my combos

[runic rune]

Anyone who can send me the cryonic rod voiceline mod or vacuum capsule? I need it ;_;

[spare talon]

that sounds really funny but also that sounds like the perfect way to make no one want to play psyker in higher difficulties

[south folio]

I have been too power sword-pilled

[faint vapor]

I never said it would make psyker more fun

[royal vortex]

i dont like most of the movesets on psyker exclusive melees

[faint vapor]

unrelated I play Dogmatic in Rogue Trader

[spare talon]

it would make the game more fun due to less smite psykers in my lobbies

[fair igloo]

I've been like horrifically unlucky when it comes to psyker and vet weapons
Not a single power cycler powersword on my vet and not a single good psyker weapon

[south folio]

yeah the obscurus is the moveset I like the most as insane as it sounds

[faint vapor]

true

[royal vortex]

there's a handful of moves i find cool but then they have stupid spoilers like the deimos l1 h2 not chaining back to itself without a block cancel or doing moves you don't want to do

[faint vapor]

I miss my fps

I wonder if Psyker can get enough damage to make some meme melee build with Rashad axe

[spare talon]

i miss playing the game instead of playing an aim trainer

[royal vortex]

the dueling swords in general are supremely meh i like the 4 the 2 could be cool and then i would never use the 5

[faint vapor]

iirc Psyker can get something stupid like 80% speed + can use axes 🤔

[south folio]

the 5 at least has a neat heavy heavy light combo

[royal vortex]

the overheads look ugly as hell to me

[south folio]

you're ugly

[royal vortex]

i know

[south folio]

psykers can get some nice move speed yeah

[fair igloo]

WOAH!! no drama in the zealot chat pls 💔

[faint vapor]

brb deleting your gamekey

[royal vortex]

i just want a force halberd

i need more weapons with stabs

[faint vapor]

I want a tenebrae cannon for psyker

[median steeple]

Force rapier

[south folio]

but some melee attack speed stuff and whatnot would be nice

like, we get +warp damage

[faint vapor]

no lewd pls

[royal vortex]

warp rider should be attack speed at high peril

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/control-dr-darling-dynamite-music-gif-17288581

[spare talon]

i hope you stub your toe so hard it bleeds

[south folio]

but the only force sword that is meaningfully making use of that is just the illisi

[median steeple]

Fuzz : D

[spare talon]

ITS SO UNNERVING FUCK

[south folio]

+warp damage on psyker in general makes me so sad because of just how much you get from perfect timing and malefic momentum, and yet our warp single target DPS is so painfully poopoo

[north sedge]

Lol

[south folio]

weak bith

[royal vortex]

everything on psyker makes me sad because it's all passive stat buffs and keystones that require too much investment

[fair igloo]

why is it furry???? what??

[north sedge]

Would it make you feel better that the performance art it's from uses Guts' theme from Berserk?

[royal vortex]

warp charges is probably the worst possible way to design a keystone branch

[polar nexus]

I have spent thousands for power cycler on illisi! 😦

[south folio]

why not

[north sedge]

Warp charges keystone is basically an entire new tree

[crisp path]

sry had a mission, thanks for that. i feel better about the 56 def on my hsword now lol

[median steeple]

Guh the psyker tree hurts me small brain

[royal vortex]

brb let me put basically a third of my entire points into one keystone branch

[faint vapor]

vet stealth users

[royal vortex]

(because i am never going down a route that starts with +coherency radius otherwise)

[south folio]

fatshark really decided to make patch 12 psyker's feat tree a keystone in patch 13

[royal vortex]

lmao

[north sedge]

I think the only build i have with warp charges is literally my "testing random shit" page from when p13 hit

[misty raven]

Actually been liking the toughness regen on warp charge gain

[faint vapor]

I actually think the Warp Charges keystone is pretty good because of that

the full Patch 12 psyker kit + whatever I got before the keystone lol