More like a psyker chat question.
#zealot-class
oak reef
Not running knives.<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Agreed and I meant personality
exotic portal
Agreed and I meant personality
sec
ripe quest
If I had to guess it'd be agitator but they're probs pretty evenly spread.
stone rivet
Best weapon for horde cleaning? i got kinda tired of light chansaw sword
fleet zealot
Best weapon for horde cleaning? i got kinda tired of light chansaw sword
heavysword
no doubt
any of themw ill do
open echo
spare dome
If I had to guess it'd be agitator but they're probs pretty evenly spread.
im making an assumption that born leader has an exception clause for toughness that was generated from born leader (ie. another vet) buuuut is this truuuuue?
exotic portal
Are tactical axes also good for it?
Very good, but shit for horde clear
north sedge
Rashad/antax
faint yoke
Best weapon for horde cleaning? i got kinda tired of light chansaw sword
Agripinaaa braced auto with the right setup. You'll scare groaners shitless and stagger a bulwark taking a swing at you. Brownie points for killing off specials at a distance.
exotic portal
Like a vet changing main to tactical axe
north sedge
Taxe is on the lower end
exotic portal
RIP clutch
ripe quest
im making an assumption that born leader has an exception clause for toughness t...
I'll look at it.
fleet zealot
Are tactical axes also good for it?
taxes are at the bottom
of pretty much everything
messiah is just doing his weekly trolling session
so i suggest you just block
exotic portal
taxes are at the bottom
Good side but not.. clutch wide.
exotic portal
messiah is just doing his weekly trolling session
I enjoy the game, not hate.
spare dome
taxes are a good time
fleet zealot
Or mostly heavy weapons
other heavy weapons with good horde clear, eviscerator, combat axes, crusher, and even thunderhammers can manage, ironhelm specifically
taxes are good time but fatshark hates them, they aren't unusuable but it's a lot of effort for mid results,
and a lot of clicking
faint yoke
Tax axes can get near 100% crit chance with the right setup on zealot, but their heavy attacks lack damage tbh.
ripe quest
im making an assumption that born leader has an exception clause for toughness t...
Seems like it would exclude regen from Born Leader yeah.
exotic portal
Seems like it would exclude regen from Born Leader yeah.
Born a king for a families aftermath?
north sedge
Did he have another stroke?
exotic portal
Did he have another stroke?
guillions a bad psyker
ripe quest
Did he have another stroke?
It's been going for a bit so probs just a high.
ripe quest
i hoped it MAYBE allowed for one level of redundancy
If it were recursive it'd turn into meaningless amounts of toughness by the 3rd cycle.
spare dome
yea so just one cycle would've been cute
north sedge
exotic portal
If it were recursive it'd turn into meaningless amounts of toughness by the 3rd ...
run a 3x stamina curio
spare dome
otherwise you generate one toughness between two vets and itd scale into invulnerability lul
but also certainly crash your script
ripe quest
Toughness doesn't round so you'd just like, not get anything
exotic portal
otherwise you generate one toughness between two vets and itd scale into invulne...
๐
ripe quest
I do think the game would probs not like recursion on a 0 delay
exotic portal
I do think the game would probs not like recursion on a 0 delay
Not possible.
fleet zealot
halp they greened me
ripe quest
halp they greened me
they dipped him in guac
frosty herald
anti flea bath my beloved
fading vale
halp they greened me
spare dome
man i havent pead myself in a while
fleet zealot
man i havent pead myself in a while
excudse me
acoustic briar
halp they greened me
Mr. Grinch
exotic portal
contempt is always worse than hate, too bad i would not aquaint for love, i enjoy the game.
"lazy devs"
end game showdowns/ show downs, showing damage etc, sould'a already been implented
No less then downloading mods.
Ain't no penance to campare to 1.5k missions alas aquainted for damage 50 million, lazy devs..
median steeple
exotic portal
Tight
median steeple
I'm trying to gauge whatever is being spoken about but my brain refuses
exotic portal
I'm trying to gauge whatever is being spoken about but my brain refuses
Archo got like 99% of it but..
north sedge
not you, him, to be clear
ripe quest
Archo got like 99% of it but..
@south folio You just got stan'd 
exotic portal
<@297182781346152448> You just got stan'd <:kek:637809028126474280>
I should cross a line too soon.
north sedge
no stan's typo nonsense is more intelligible than whatever this is
exotic portal
no stan's typo nonsense is more intelligible than whatever this is
Slim shady?
exotic portal
https://i.gyazo.com/341069636b0b554511c5f69dff871ec9.png
Let's see the upgrade
fleet zealot
no stan's typo nonsense is more intelligible than whatever this is
stan at least has meanings
fleet zealot
https://i.gyazo.com/01b2117774aefec8261cfe629e9c9b1f.png
fan -> blaze away
stamina to... idk
pick a damage perk i dont feel like calculating, flak is good
exotic portal
https://i.gyazo.com/01b2117774aefec8261cfe629e9c9b1f.png
Rough
wooden river
it's not the worst roll
exotic portal
https://i.gyazo.com/01b2117774aefec8261cfe629e9c9b1f.png
Keep groaner, change stamina unto..unyielding or reload, keep quick flame
idk the rest
exotic portal
https://i.gyazo.com/f1cffb8c6ddc04202799b49e2f776f70.png
Low movability
north sedge
Whatever he says, don't listen
fading vale
you don't want scattershot on a kant
wooden river
Why's that?
exotic portal
you don't want scattershot on a kant
Yup
wooden river
does it not work with the kant's infinite cleave
fading vale
crit doesn't do anything for the special
wooden river
zamn
still quartz
"Fuck you"
un-Bats your Man
wooden river
sweet, I already have No Respite 4 unlocked
median steeple
man
exotic portal
Psykers got like 15 dodge on those dualist swords, yikes.
ripe quest
"Fuck you"
*un-Bats your Man*
wraith helm
A scimitar
exotic portal
exotic portal
https://tenor.com/view/this-is-a-knife-crocodile-dundee-gif-10637727
On the tip
No mods.
You missed out, you missed out.
hushed agate
https://tenor.com/view/octane-butterfly-knife-animation-gif-22193989
Whyd they stab themselves? Are they stupid?
exotic portal
Whyd they stab themselves? Are they stupid?
Think the blade was opposite..
Try // fuck around and fine out.
hushed agate
Think the blade was opposite..<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Woag
fleet zealot
sharp zodiac
There he is
exotic portal
Yknow, die
I thought more of hate, but ok.
elfin steppe
How did i wake that DH
elfin steppe
really?
ripe quest
mmm
ripe quest
It wouldn't aggro from the distance + you were reloading when it aggros
fleet zealot
and you simply shot someone at the maximum distance when it was 99% angry
and you just got unlucky
fleet zealot
It wouldn't aggro from the distance + you were reloading when it aggros
it takes a while for the DH to break out
ripe quest
it takes a while for the DH to break out
The healthbar appears when they aggro on someone.
My assumption is that there was a desync at some point and the DH was in a different spot than what was shown.
south folio
seems like the other bolter zealot shot at the bomber and that woke it up since the shot was nearby, though the question then becomes why it aggro'd onto you
fleet zealot
i'm like
sharp zodiac
Banana
fleet zealot
sure it's the 99% angry and you just did the last 1%
copper hawk
Nabana
copper hawk
Yah
mossy mural
it's noise sensitive to some guns iirc
This is untrue
Daemonhost just has an awakening radius and gets pissed of by flashlights
Speed of movement doesn't affect them, nor sound
So crouch walking past dh does nothing, just sprint
wooden river
Does this game even have a gun noise level/enemy alert subsystem?
exotic portal
Speed of movement doesn't affect them, nor sound
Shrouding past it still, triggers it.
neat igloo
i'm reviewing clips and am trying to figure out where sudden bursts of stamina are coming from
north sedge
A vet in the group?
mossy mural
does zealot... regain stamina when their toughness is broken?
Everyone does
Getting damaged while at zero stamina gives you a small burst
ripe quest
it takes a while for the DH to break out
Might actually be the suppression on the Boltgun
neat igloo
Getting damaged while at zero stamina gives you a small burst
i had no idea all this time
does anyone have any numbers on it
exotic portal
Link the clip
spare dome
makes running All or Nothing strangely difficult
mossy mural
It's to prevent getting fucked up by gunfire (it does not work)
spare dome
i was told it is one stamina per hit taken
mossy mural
does anyone have any numbers on it
I believe it's about 20-30% stamina
exotic portal
No clip?
mossy mural
Ah, it's hard to gage when you are using the stamina
exotic portal
As a zealot you dodge around a Demon host like nothing unto death, wtf?
ashen pecan
So crouch walking past dh does nothing, just sprint
source?
sharp zodiac
I just walk normally
median steeple
Walk like an Egyptian
neat igloo
mossy mural
ashen pecan
not watching a tanner video
neat igloo
happens twice, one from bruiser backstabs, one from shotgun blast
mossy mural
He's an asshole, but he's accurate
ashen pecan
not_passive = {
{
flat = 100,
sprint_flat_bonus = 100,
distance = 3.5,
threat = 250,
tick = 8
},
{
flat = 80,
sprint_flat_bonus = 100,
distance = 7,
threat = 250,
tick = 10
},
{
flat = 50,
tick = 6,
distance = 12,
threat = 100
},
{
distance = 20,
flat = 20
}```Did you not run with 3 other teammates?
ashen pecan
i'm seeing a difference between an awakened host and a passive one here
neat igloo
You regen 1 stamina per hit.
both times it was 50%
mossy mural
What weapon are you wielding when hit?
ashen pecan
in fact yeah, he's just wrong
exotic portal
What weapon are you wielding when hit?
Knife.
neat igloo
What are you being hit by?
you can see the clip, first time toughenss is lost to bruisers, second time to 1 shotgun blast
ashen pecan
if closest_distance_index then
local closest_distance_entry = distances[closest_distance_index]
anger_flat = closest_distance_entry.flat or 0
anger_tick = closest_distance_entry.tick or 0
if closest_distance_entry.sprint_flat_bonus and closest_is_sprinting then
anger_flat = anger_flat + closest_distance_entry.sprint_flat_bonus
end
scratchpad.closest_target_unit = closest_target_unit
end
return anger_flat, anger_tick```
sprinting near a dh causes higher angerI was asking @neat igloo
exotic portal
What weapon are you wielding when hit?
20 pluss 20 pluss 20 curios resistance to gunners. 3x no bad?
neat igloo
What weapon are you wielding when hit?
crusher
mossy mural
Gunner resist is a dead roll imo
neat igloo
w/ 6 stamina bars
exotic portal
Gunner resist is a dead roll imo
How come?
south folio
yeah, the stamina on hit mechanic turns off after you have >50% stamina
but each hit taken is 1 bar of stamina regenerated
mossy mural
Congrats you survived two more bullets. You either get 100 to 0'd by gunners or take a little chip toughness
sharp zodiac
The brain machine has shown himself
south folio
HNNNNNNNNNNNNNG
exotic portal
Congrats you survived two more bullets. You either get 100 to 0'd by gunners or...
Seen a ogryn solo 6-7-8 gunners?
fleet zealot
Speed of movement doesn't affect them, nor sound
i'm not saying all noise
but yes, firing over them witha gun
does piss them off
neat igloo
but each hit taken is 1 bar of stamina regenerated
does each shotgun pellet count as an individual hit then?
mossy mural
60% damage reduction against a bunch of small numbers is not very good either
fleet zealot
firing near them around them, will give you warning
south folio
mayhaps
i'm not sure about that
exotic portal
firing near them around them, will give you warning
No.
wooden river
```lua
if closest_distance_index then
local closest_distance_entry =...
Interesting. This is specifically for the DH?
south folio
seems like it though based off of your video
ashen pecan
yes it's for dh
mossy mural
Seen a ogryn solo 6-7-8 gunners?
Yeah because ogryns have tons of damage resist through their tree
ashen pecan
bt_chaos_daemonhost_passive_action.lua
fleet zealot
I've specifically had DHs get up from sleeping cause I shot a dude next to them
ashen pecan
if you want to look yourself
exotic portal
Yeah because ogryns have tons of damage resist through their tree
No..
mossy mural
Just hide behind cover if your getting screwed by gunners. And use suppression
wooden river
Ogryn is the one class where running multiple gunner resists is a solid choice imo
south folio
```lua
if closest_distance_index then
local closest_distance_entry =...
ooooh damn
wooden river
just because they have so much toughness regen and resist, and because they're so huge that they're gonna get clipped by stray bullets from behind cover or while dodging
mossy mural
Ogryn is the one class where running multiple gunner resists is a solid choice i...
True enough
I'd rather run sprint efficiency to dodge the bullets instead tho
fleet zealot
like a snipers/gunners/shooters, with none bolter guns, autoguns, las rifle, revolvers
wooden river
Yeah Ogryn has issues with stam regen too, despite having a ton of baseline stam
mossy mural
https://tenor.com/view/jebaited-low-quality-bait-wavy-man-gif-26402013
What are you talking about?
exotic portal
Yeah Ogryn has issues with stam regen too, despite having a ton of baseline stam
Never seen a vet/psyker nor ogryn carry the team, 1k hours unto the game
ashen pecan
looks like triggers for dh are proximity, suppression, flashlight, sprint/walk
south folio
true, vet/psyker/ogryn bad
exotic portal
Played reliably since beta
wooden river
bt_chaos_daemonhost_passive_action.lua
Neato, well that's good to know
ripe quest
you can see the clip, first time toughenss is lost to bruisers, second time to 1...
Looks like both hits were from the shotgunner, from what I can tell it's 50% or 3 stamina (whichever is highest) if you get hit by them.
mossy mural
If you have stamina and sprint you can dodge bullets as long as you aren't running directly towards or away from the source
tropic harbor
I got this amazing hammer from Melk
south folio
you can also slide to conserve on stamina and gunner res is nice for face tanking when you're fighting stuff and the gunners are spread out
sharp zodiac
Beautiful
wooden river
that's why Swift Certainty has that clause about sprinting even when stamina is drained
exotic portal
I got this amazing hammer from Melk
Test it on melk
mossy mural
you can also slide to conserve on stamina and gunner res is nice for face tankin...
I prefer not to face tank gunners at all thank you that's why I have nades
south folio
of course I wouldn't run more than 2x gunne res personally
wooden river
since that's actually what Swift Certainty is doing (letting you dodge gunfire even with no stamina so long as you're sprinting perpendicular to the gunfire)
tropic harbor
Test it on melk<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
didn't seem to damage him for some reason.
ashen pecan
dmg resist on curios is multiplicative not additive so probably not worth to run more than 2
sharp zodiac
It's quite a swift certainty then
exotic portal
of course I wouldn't run more than 2x gunne res personally
I'll contemplate on that, for.. team worke, kicked for less but...
neat igloo
Looks like both hits were from the shotgunner, from what I can tell it's 50% or ...
i'm actually a little confused by the damage source of the first hit, but i think it was a bruiser cause of the health bleedthrough
wooden river
imo Chastise + Enduring Faith and whatever toughness + tdr trickles in from Good Balance and Second Wind is enough to dive into heavy gunner nests
royal vortex
this is the 2nd time ive done more ranged damage with a columnus brauto than someone using a columnus iag while picking up less ammo
mossy mural
I run 1 health stam and toughness on everyone with 3 cdr, 3 Stam regen, 2 block efficiency, and 1 sprint efficiency
royal vortex
what the hell
wooden river
It's quite a **swift certainty** then
๐ฅ
ripe quest
i'm actually a little confused by the damage source of the first hit, but i thin...
You blocked them.
sharp zodiac
what the hell
Just simply too good
ripe quest
Shotgunner hit you twice.
south folio
I prefer not to face tank gunners at all thank you that's why I have nades
i'm throwing knife pilled and also this comparison is supposed to be between the other curio perks
sharp zodiac
Tkpilled
south folio
obviously i can just pick any curio perk and talk about ways to counterplay and not need to pick them
exotic portal
Nah I can do better
mossy mural
obviously i can just pick any curio perk and talk about ways to counterplay and ...
Sniper resist is worth tho
neat igloo
You blocked them.
yeah i think you're right
ashen pecan
+toughness +toughness regen + stamina regen
tropic harbor
Best curio perk is 6% experience
neat igloo
where did that 5 damage come from lol
tropic harbor
hands down
median steeple
Just don't get hit 
mossy mural
And tbf, bomber resist is alrightish now
south folio
yeah sniper res is nice
exotic portal
Sniper resist is worth tho
yup always 1x 20 percent or 2x for 40 percent
royal vortex
the problem i have with sniper res is that a lot of the time i get sniped something else is happening
for instance
mossy mural
yeah sniper res is nice
I've gone without it recently tho
royal vortex
exotic portal
And tbf, bomber resist is alrightish now
mossy mural
Gunker just doesnt care about gunfire and zealot and vet can face tank with gold toughness
sharp zodiac
https://streamable.com/in8dvj
Wave goodbye to your head wanka
south folio
ripe quest
where did that 5 damage come from lol
you block the scab, get shotgunned, while your block is down something hit you before you start blocking again
royal vortex
sniper res feels too much like gambling on the game fucking me over in specific ways which happens often enough in the current patch with all the audio bugs
but
sharp zodiac
https://streamable.com/b8sms2
Blind shot
frosty herald
why didnt the vet throw a nade
median steeple
I've had snipers hold their shot
frosty herald
this hurts
ripe quest
obviously i can just pick any curio perk and talk about ways to counterplay and ...
arco why are you as an experienced player using curio perks
royal vortex
it isnt quite often enough for me to take it
median steeple
Like they make the noise but don't shoot
exotic portal
Idk
south folio
arco why are you as an experienced player using curio perks
OwO
sharp zodiac
"nah I don't feel like it"
sharp zodiac
Personally I'd be a better sniper they should hire me
coarse birch
Today ig
median steeple
I have the clip but Im too lazy to get it
neat igloo
you block the scab, get shotgunned, while your block is down something hit you b...
i'm so curious what it actually was that did 5 damage with no toughness
south folio
prob the shotgunner
neat igloo
like, a single pellet?
south folio
nah you got hit by multiple
ashen pecan
it's the only thing that can probably do that low of dmg
south folio
you can see the multiple damage arcs
and your toughness going down in rapid discrete decrements
coarse birch
Personally I'd be a better sniper they should hire me
I believe you but what are the chances you get randomly picked as one that spawns in with a chance to actually snipe
sharp zodiac
I believe you but what are the chances you get randomly picked as one that spawn...
A coin toss
Either I spawn in front of an ogryn
Or I spawn in the spot where you literally couldn't even see them until it's too late
wooden river
sniper res feels too much like gambling on the game fucking me over in specific ...
The way I see it, it's less that sniper res is actually 'good' and more that the other options are just less attractive lol
New players overvalue sniper res because they haven't figured out the dodge timing yet
frosty herald
just wavedash the sniper
wooden river
Then they realize (sometimes) that the number of times they actually get hit by snipers is not all that often outside of fringe circumstances
median steeple
So true
south folio
for me, i usually take so much chip health damage to the point that i'm getting destroyed by a sniper anyways
(not exactly "chip" damage anymore)
wooden river
Yeah pretty much
south folio
i'm on that until death grindset
median steeple
Flip the crusher when they attack
wooden river
It's nice on Psyker because Psyker has hardly any up-front damage resist
mossy mural
Anyone else have issues with stalker just un-sliding you?
ashen pecan
the 3 shot guys?
mossy mural
Ye
ashen pecan
yeah
wooden river
But other than that, sniper res is mildly overrated
ashen pecan
if u do a slow slide they'll knock you out of it quick
wooden river
god stalkers are the worst enemy I swear
coarse birch
i'm on that until death grindset
You dont play zealot ๐คจ
mossy mural
I see the flash, I slide, I am now standing and take the full salvo
wooden river
Remember when they couldn't be suppressed ๐
frosty herald
once the next update for the game hits ill eat shit cause i havent played since i beat the hardmode twins
wooden river
Those little bastards are designed to deadzone you
mossy mural
I hatem
wooden river
mossy mural
I'd talk stalker resist if it existed
coarse birch
Stop owoing me
wooden river
best use of vet smoke nades: chucking it into a patrol of stalkers
coarse birch
i miss when shooters didnt engage u in melee and just kept shooting
Crazy person
wooden river
And yeah I'll be real: I'd take burster res over sniper res any day of the week if it existed
royal vortex
that isnt even my worst take
mossy mural
i miss when shooters didnt engage u in melee and just kept shooting
Strong disagree. I love watching a shieldgryn block a single shot and then those fuckers whip out the shovel to try and beat him to death
royal vortex
i want december 2022 shotgunners back
coarse birch
It might be the worse ive seen
wooden river
it's funny because while new players overvalue sniper res, they also underestimate how dangerous bursters are
south folio
i disagree on the basis that ranged enemies not stopping to melee would prob be easier cuz you can just dodge-slide a bunch
mossy mural
And yeah I'll be real: I'd take burster res over sniper res any day of the week ...
Tru
wooden river
"What do you mean, just push them ๐ "
south folio
i'm on that vet grindset
psyker needs a precision force staff or a 2h force greatsword with an activation mechanic that doesn't make me want to die
for me to go back to it
wooden river
These players haven't encountered multiple bursters juuuust spaced out far enough from one another where you can't push them into each other, or pushing one will put you in the range where the second burster will jump at you during your push/dodge recovery
royal vortex
Strong disagree. I love watching a shieldgryn block a single shot and then thos...
i find it super lame that ogryn gets a weapon/talent combo that lets you kinda just invalidate an entire enemy type
mossy mural
"What do you mean, just push them ๐ "
I love seeing the vets plasma a burster I am currently hugging or a psyker trauma the same burster on my face
mossy mural
I'm a psyker main and I will admit I do it too often
royal vortex
atm it's not super impactful because shooters are no longer the thing most ppl mald about
mossy mural
Trauma just goes brrrrr
median steeple
Don't forget the classic kickback poxburster combo
wooden river
it's usually because sometimes you can't see/hear the random burster in the middle of the giant mauler patrol
or at least, that's what I tell myself to make myself feel better
mossy mural
I've been liking smite just because it pushes bursters twice as far and auto detonates them
wooden river
I played with chocob a while back and they did this really funny thing where they slid at a burster and pushed them up a hill with consecutive shoves
It looked like they were dribbling a soccer ball
mossy mural
it's usually because sometimes you can't see/hear the random burster in the midd...
I will hold the circle directly under a burster to warn people and then the vet decides he wants to hug it anyways
wooden river
same lmao
Or a zealot comes out of left field and tries to shove it at the last second
mossy mural
The amount of times a silent burster sneaks into a horde I'm chewing through as a Zealot is too much
wooden river
mossy mural
I'll just swing my chainsword like a maniac and then boom.
Fartshart needs to fix silent enemies
south folio
400iq chastise to avoid burster damage
mossy mural
I've done it before
wooden river
That specific interaction is how I learned about Chastise preventing damage from going straight to health lol
mossy mural
I've chastised to dodge tons of scary situations
It's always funny watching a Zealot run Mach 5 away from a crusher overhead
wooden river
the number of times I've had to explain to ogryn players that Chastise alone lets Zealot be a better roamer/aggro dive class than Ogryn
i swear
south folio
chastise is -100% toughness damage
mossy mural
But bullrush... funi
south folio
it seems that stuff like overheads has some minimum bleedthrough
coarse birch
atm it's not super impactful because shooters are no longer the thing most ppl m...
ok tbf getting stunlocked by gunners without TWBS is really cringe
south folio
i was doing some testing and overheads also did some health damage during the dash
albeit severely reduced compared to if i just stood still
coarse birch
like i really feel no TWBS when i play psyker/vet
mossy mural
ok tbf getting stunlocked by gunners without TWBS is really cringe
Yeah chastise with no twbs really sucks against gunners
wooden river
That's actually my go-to argument when people try to convince me that Zealot doesn't have better frontline/roaming potential than ogryn
south folio
gunner knockback truly makes me appreciate running with my camera sideways to fuck gunners up
royal vortex
That's actually my go-to argument when people try to convince me that Zealot doe...
ogryn mobility is like playing the game with giant boulders chained to your feet
coarse birch
knockback + just full stunlock with no toughness is like
royal vortex
because you have no real at-range toughness regen besides insp barrage or gunlugger ult with certain weapons
coarse birch
guess ill take my hands off the keyboard
royal vortex
shitty dodges
and ur so fkin awkwardly slow
going from ogryn to a human character makes the game instantly feel more smooth
south folio
why do you play ogryn so much
mossy mural
because you have no real at-range toughness regen besides insp barrage or gunlug...
Gloryhunter
royal vortex
gloryhunter is never keeping up with the demand for toughness when its relevant
its nice but not doin a whole lot on the guns that get it
royal vortex
ogryn gets certain tools that mitigate feeling like a big slow adult baby (such as bull charge) but in a lot of ways ur super slowed down
wooden river
Oggy weapons also have fewer dodges in general
royal vortex
zealot is significantly better at diving if you don't get the drop on un-aggro'd enemies
wooden river
Plus your hurtbox is so fucking huge that you just get clipped by random crap that wouldn't normally hit other classes
royal vortex
why do you play ogryn so much
at this point just contracts
i like the vibes of ogryn
mossy mural
I find ogryn better when the enemies run up to you
wooden river
Ogryn is an amazing team anchor
yeah
He's great when he's in his element
e.g., hitting hordes
he is practically invincible so long as he has things to hit and isn't getting disabled
mossy mural
The new shovel with brutal moment is just divine
wooden river
but you don't see Ogryns roaming around a map like Zealots can
royal vortex
ogryn's worst nightmare is a solo clutch with only specials and gunners
wooden river
wooden river
Big Crusher patrol? No problem
Four gunners and a netter spawning in from across the map? ogryn sweat moment
mossy mural
Big Crusher patrol? No problem
I honestly think crushers are the least problematic on vet
coarse birch
melee enemies make the game easier
killing the entire crusher pack in one swing moment
polar nexus
ogryn gets certain tools that mitigate feeling like a big slow adult baby (such ...
Ogryn is a vibe. it's like playing a game while stoned
royal vortex
ogryn has this really fucked up thing
mossy mural
So many stuns
mossy mural
Just permalocking down crusher hordes with shout and flaks
royal vortex
i think ive gotten close without using slap on clubs before
royal vortex
killing the entire crusher pack in one swing moment
i mean if more than 4 spawns it takes 2
so u know, balance
royal vortex
bm really should just be like an inherent weapon property so that u can tune it better
or at the very least make it only work on man-sized enemies
coarse birch
so long as its like a tuned down version i wouldnt mind depending on how your thinking about implementing it
royal vortex
the idea of bm is really cool
it's just comically stupid with the current power creep
coarse birch
yeah it kinda just
polar nexus
where u can 1v1 a plogryn with no hp damage
i have lost fights being chipped by fucking pox because my toughness was low
coarse birch
invalidates melee situations
polar nexus
a plogryn? no pb
royal vortex
ogryn suffers really bad from this problem because of bm + batter
polar nexus
i tank all day
royal vortex
which almost entirely lets you ignore the concept of cleave damage falloff
coarse birch
and also completely changes how caxe works
coarse birch
in a pretty game breaky way
royal vortex
which almost entirely lets you ignore the concept of cleave damage falloff
like with anything that has high cleave + no target cap
u have a maximum amount of time to kill any elites that dont have armor stop
so shotgunners, gunners, ragers will go from having 6 guys up to 1-2 in a handful of swings at the exact same time
candid verge
the blood redemption passive doesn't give you toughness on kill does it, it just improves further toughness on kill by 50% correct?
royal vortex
yes
trim kindle
So when am I getting my force greatsword?
south folio
make a deranged change like making brutal momentum only work on enemies that are staggered
royal vortex
takes the base kill toughness from 5% to 7.5%
royal vortex
make a deranged change like making brutal momentum only work on enemies that are...
this sounds so fucking awful
no
royal vortex
go away
coarse birch
BM + SC
royal vortex
bm is really cool as a mechanical idea because it lets you have finesse damage meaningfully impact cleave
south folio
give brutal momentum to devil claw
wooden river
I honestly think crushers are the least problematic on vet
Ogryn can tank a Crusher pat by keeping it staggered, but vets and zealots (especially vets) are usually the ones actually killing it yeah
royal vortex
whereas normally it just kinda peters out after the 1st/2nd target
but killin 4 crushers in a swing
i dunno
mossy mural
Ogryn can tank a Crusher pat by keeping it staggered, but vets and zealots (espe...
Laughs in shovel overhead with thrust
wooden river
Big bonks
south folio
yeah BM allowing you to cleave elites like that
royal vortex
(and also bm doesn't actually carry finesse damage on ogryn weapons because OGRYN WEAPONS DO NOT CARE ABOUT FINESSE 
)
wooden river
BM Shovel multi-Crusher bonks look so funny
wooden river
perhaps BM should obey the cleave rules
I'd be fine with that
royal vortex
the problem is u cant make 1 bm solution that properly addresses it on all weapons
because it exists on shit that functions wildly different
south folio
yeah and the breakpoint city that it currently is
spare dome
they should fix it by making it only trigger on backstab kills and rename it Booty Momentum
median steeple
Sorry we don't do solutions that make sense here
ripe quest
bm is really cool as a mechanical idea because it lets you have finesse damage m...
It stems from the idea that BM should be a baseline mechanic of Caxe but I do like the idea of BM having it's own dedicated cleave value. Like, it caps at proccing 3 times or if you hit 8 hitmass, whichever comes first.
lone pecan
Or remove it from the game all together
royal vortex
darktide players try not to jump to the most extreme solution to any problem immediately challenge
(failed instantly)
south folio
rename brutal momentum to deathblow
spare dome
problem solved
south folio
exactly
median steeple
Epic and totally not insane bad idea
spare dome
now how do we fix this new blessing called deathblow
royal vortex
because if u wanna use it with the scoop u have to do some camera magic
but on like caxe
wooden river
It's funny because Fatshark, for all their issues, usually ends up implementing more nuanced changes than the majority of the community ever comes up with
ripe quest
I dislike that BM is on a blessing that doesn't have any form of snowball mechanic.
royal vortex
KILL GUY
ripe quest
Headtaker would be more fitting of the name brutal momentum than BM itself
lone pecan
now how do we fix this new blessing called deathblow
Call it just Momentum
wooden river
The fact that there is a blessing called Headtaker and another called Decapitator is also funny
south folio
and executor not being named headtaker
royal vortex
It's funny because Fatshark, for all their issues, usually ends up implementing ...
for many of these u can thank the blessed playtesters (in large part tinyangrycrab)
wooden river
๐ฆ
ripe quest
The fact that there is a blessing called Headtaker and another called Decapitato...
AND HEADTAKER DOESN'T EVEN INVOLVE HEADS
wooden river
Yeah the biggest and bestest balance patch to ever hit VT2 was largely a community effort as well
wooden river
AND HEADTAKER DOESN'T EVEN INVOLVE HEADS
<:pain:637809940190461992>
That's the maddening part lmao
like what is this madness, FS
Imagine if Limbsplitter was also a headshot talent
a complete collapse of the english language would ensue
royal vortex
i wish limbsplitter didn't actively require you to stop swinging
and just had a timer
wooden river
Yeah I thought it was on a timer when I first played with it because that would mean it would synergize with Caxe heavies
royal vortex
because there would be some really interesting stuff u could do with a vet shovel
if it worked that way
wooden river
but no, you actually have to block cancel every attack
fair igloo
Is there a mod that makes it easier to see what enemy ur targeting with the zealot charge?
spare dome
imagine if it was just sooper dooper heavy attack power you could bank for when you wanted it
wooden river
old limbsplitter was so stupid
spare dome
but on a flat cooldown
median steeple
Is there a mod that makes it easier to see what enemy ur targeting with the zeal...
No you just have to pray it doesn't fuck you
coarse birch
like anyone usingit
wooden river
I remember getting a godroll mk2 taxe on launch that had limbsplitter on it, back before Brunt existed
I was so sad
royal vortex
I remember getting a godroll mk2 taxe on launch that had limbsplitter on it, bac...
๐
median steeple
Those shovels
wooden river
royal vortex
the one time i used one in a live match i had an out of body experience
no i am not kidding
median steeple
Wha
wooden river
lmao
royal vortex
wooden river
astral projection due to horrendous perk balance
royal vortex
legitimately
ripe heron
uncanny thrust.
median steeple
Bro took the wrong stim
wooden river
Getting burstered off a ledge the instant you spawn in is the best
ripe heron
or uncanny skullcrusher
fair igloo
https://streamable.com/l56a5j
WTF??? lol
ripe quest
Tyr being in on the SC stuff makes my day
royal vortex
josho what do you run on vet folding shovels
i think i have one with like all or nothing thrust chasing a no setup crusher one shot but u also have to take a bunch of melee talents
wooden river
Like you're already flying off the edge of the big Magistrati support beam platform as your game is fading in from black
ripe quest
median steeple
I think I have a thrust BM one on my og
royal vortex
tyr said the more reasonable combination
i also made my shovels right when they first came out
and havent touched them since
median steeple
Ah yes the new weapon syndrome
copper hawk
https://tenor.com/view/puipui%E5%A4%A9%E7%AB%BA%E9%BC%A0%E8%BB%8A%E8%BB%8A-%E8%B...
These make me sad
royal vortex
because shovels have like 10 fkin blessings and i was going mad trying to get thrust 4
copper hawk
To look at for some reason
coarse birch
thrust/Uncanny makes sense lol
median steeple
You wish to be a hamster
copper hawk
Cognitohazard
royal vortex
i should get an all or nothing decimator shovel for maximum cleave
coarse birch
i remember having issues with hordes using it
wooden river
It's based on the sad guinea pig meme
coarse birch
possible skiissue
wooden river
it's okay though, because the rest of Molcar Season 1 will purify your spirit and soul
best anime of 2021 (not even kidding)
median steeple
I forgot the shovel can even roll uncanny
ripe heron
I like the n64
fleet zealot
pov tallest ogryn looks at shortest zealot
royal vortex
I forgot the shovel can even roll uncanny
there are so many blessings
median steeple
wooden river
coarse birch
shovel has like a billion blessings ye
median steeple
I hate rolling shovels
coarse birch
its like hammer
fleet zealot
plot twist
ripe heron
Pokemon concierge was cute
median steeple
I got lucky enough on my og I don't think I should try for one on my vet
wooden river
Good choice
coarse birch
uh what perks do i put on this thing
maniac/cara
do i need flak
i will need to test
ripe heron
copper hawk
https://tenor.com/view/puipui%E5%A4%A9%E7%AB%BA%E9%BC%A0%E8%BB%8A%E8%BB%8A-puipu...
Grah !!
wooden river
God that was so cute
wooden river
wooden river
Man people are gonna flip when they reveal Izutsumi
royal vortex
write the shovel guide
no
median steeple
https://tenor.com/view/tinpuipui-pui-pui-molcar-pui-pui-molcar-driving-school-pu...
Me being turned into a plushie for my sins
wooden river
I'm really curious to hear who voices her
nooo i dont want to become a felt guinea pig car- Actually, being a felt guinea pig car is okay.
fair igloo
median steeple
So I'm gonna try for a good bolter for no reason other than im bored
fleet zealot
Y does it inspire so kuch despair within me !!
wooden river
molcar is precious
but maybe it's also melancholy because it's so simple and childish
coarse birch
hadron has blessed me
royal vortex
hell yeah
polar nexus
hadron has blessed me
ffs
coarse birch
it did cost me like 5k plasteel to get uncanny 4
polar nexus
that's not a lot
south folio
kill yoshi and take his shovel
copper hawk
https://tenor.com/view/puipui%E3%83%A2%E3%83%AB%E3%82%AB%E3%83%BC-puipuimolcar-p...
Probably
Very much probably
royal vortex
kill yoshi and take his shovel
no
copper hawk
It's weird
wooden river
๐น
copper hawk
Woe 2 u.. Mon-keigh..
polar nexus
https://streamable.com/wmolq5
what does ac 130 mean?
coarse birch
kill yoshi and take his shovel
im gonna dig your grave with this shovel
royal vortex
its a killstreak in call of duty
royal vortex
u can call it in and it shoots a bunch of rounds and kills stuff
copper hawk
south folio
im gonna dig your grave with this shovel
wow how could you say that about me
wooden river
dont worry she'll probably show up in like 10 episodes
copper hawk
She's in the credits
coarse birch
wow how could you say that about me
man i can only imagine
copper hawk
Her tail is anyways
wooden river
Yeah
stone rivet
Whats the diffrence betwen chainsword cadia mk XIIIg and Tigrus XV
wooden river
I just forget exactly when the ninja squad shows up in the story lol
wooden river
Been a while since I've read from the beginning
copper hawk
One's a one handed chainsword and the other a two-handed eviscerator
The diff between the two one handed chords is the the XIIIg swings horizontally for its lights
And has single target "strike down" attacks for its heavies
The normal chord, or the old one, is the opposite
Mostly the opposite
The two evis's r the same way
Except the XV is significantly sloeer
Slower*
And caps damage on 4 cleaved targetz
Maow
polar nexus
Ac 130 gunship
ohhhhh, not an american, so my dakka knowledge is limited
visual blade
totally off topic. which evi is better?
visual blade
good 2 know
copper hawk
I like the xv cuz it's braindead
visual blade
i've seen the first one get used but i can't get over the strikedown attack is has for lights so i use xv
royal vortex
the xv can hit more consistent one-shot breakpoints for certain elites like crushers (with carapace/bloodthirsty) but it has less horde clear potential than the 2
copper hawk
The combo for the old evis is heavy light light
Push light heavy
To maximize ur horde clear
glad wren
I like the MK XV myself. Light attacks for many enemies, heavy attack do for the single target. Great for Elites/Specials
copper hawk
For new evis it's downloading the Keep Swinging mod from the Darktide mod page on Nexus Mods
Im srs
It's super buggy
ripe quest
The combo for the old evis is heavy light light
H1 L2 bc
copper hawk
The chainlinks 4 lack of a better term (outed myself as a fh addict) on the normal lights on the xv r like
median steeple
https://streamable.com/wmolq5
That was very polite of those shotgunners to line up for you
copper hawk
Wretched? Awful? Gloopnacious in nature ??
U have to left click in a window to continue
And the third light swing is slightly delayed
And different
It's not just a back and forth loop ad infinidum ad nasaeum
median steeple
Chaos animation
copper hawk
So the keep swinging mid helps you keep maximum uptime without having 2 spam click ur left mouse
Mod helps*
Cuz sometimes you'll click and the evis goes back to neutral
And sometimez u'll click and it goez as normal
Soooo frustrating
ripe quest
And caps damage on 4 cleaved targetz
Also the cleave lights on the Mk II are also capped at 4. The H1 is the foundation of why the crowd damage is better.
copper hawk
Also the heavies r hellishly long
Rlly irritating
I honestly dont like the evis's
Either of them
Just use a crusher
ripe quest
I think it's a bit odd that the Chainsword is way better at crowds than the Evis.
In my head I feel like that should be flipped
ripe quest
Better cleave profiles on the Chainsword too
copper hawk
And better damage on armor types
And the chord has less of both of those
But im cwazy
Large two handed chainsaw hit harder than one handed hand brusher
faint yoke
We need more protein to swing eviscerators faster
ripe quest
Like the fact that the Chainsword lights aren't target capped but the Evis' are is weird to me
copper hawk
Need more CRACK
royal vortex
chainsword just kinda got overbuffed in p13
median steeple
Love crack
royal vortex
eet eez what eet eez
copper hawk
royal vortex
i only think the xv should have target capped lights
ripe quest
Like holy shit why is this on a chainsword light
median steeple
I'm just glad it's usable now 
median steeple
Stupid ass damage tho
median steeple
Collective Brain rot
royal vortex
i cant stand the moveset of either chainsword
copper hawk
Keep swinging mod my beloved
royal vortex
the 13g comes closer to being passable but it doesn't do anything i like
ripe quest
LLLH does put out a lot of crowd damage on the XIIIg too.
royal vortex
it just doesn't make me go "who designed this fucking moveset"
copper hawk
A baby
median steeple
It's hard to make chain weapons stand out from eachother and it sucks
royal vortex
the chord 4 makes me wanna hurt somebody
median steeple
Augh
copper hawk
All movesets other than crusher and old evis r made by a baby
royal vortex
do u know what crab told me that made me almost have an aneurysm
u cant cancel hs7 lights with a tknife
copper hawk
The intern who made the HGH for V2 was present when creating the old evis and crusher movesets
royal vortex
if u like the crusher u have 1 man to thank and its crab
copper hawk
I love the hgh..
ripe quest
It's hard to make chain weapons stand out from eachother and it sucks
I don't think that's particularly true, plenty of ways to do it but Fatshark hasn't yet been adventurous to implement them.
frank night
do u know what crab told me that made me almost have an aneurysm
it is not very hard to make you have an aneurysm
royal vortex
u cant cancel hs7 lights with a tknife
i have been playing for the past week
frank night
yeah, arco
royal vortex
thinking my internet has decayed to the point
vocal pulsar
if u like the crusher u have 1 man to thank and its crab
they need to revert back to old crusher. old crusher was peak
royal vortex
that my blitzes are constantly being cancelled
royal vortex
it is not very hard to make you have an aneurysm
can u be nice to me
copper hawk
median steeple
I don't think that's particularly true, plenty of ways to do it but Fatshark has...
Please enlighten us
frank night
can u be nice to me
yeah ive swapped targets to cica now dw
median steeple
Because making one stab up and down instead of side to side isn't that good
median steeple
Nuhuh
royal vortex
Because making one stab up and down instead of side to side isn't that good
it inherently depends on the utility of changing the moves
median steeple
Oops demons almost won
royal vortex
there's only so many degrees u can really separate marks of a weapon rather than different weapons entirely
frosty herald
Now imagine darktide
copper hawk
I think the way they do it now is passable
polar nexus
LLLH does put out a lot of crowd damage on the XIIIg too.
it's hard to do the heavy when the 3 lights before are so fast
royal vortex
i would say the evis/chaxe/chainswords all feel distinct enough from each other without implementing some of the more extreme stuff that ppl want
frosty herald
But with the dawn of war priest
median steeple
I think they did good with making evis, chord, and chaxe all diff
But the variants don't do anything
For me at least
copper hawk
I use the xv despite hating it
So so much
For evis
I like what they did w the chaxes
My fav chain wpns
royal vortex
the chainaxes feel different enough in usage atm
copper hawk
Yah
royal vortex
the eviscerators are kinda eh
median steeple
That's the only one I can feel a real difference
copper hawk
Their practical uses w the shred make them interesting
One havin shred on lights lets you cc entire rager hordes
The other w thrust lets u one shot everything
I rlly dont want 2 run
But now i must goe
Grah
frosty herald
Add poison damage into the game lmao
polar nexus
it's hard to do the heavy when the 3 lights before are so fast
i mean @ripe quest i'm not like 1 2 3 HEAVY during a tense fight
ripe quest
Please enlighten us
It's hard to summarize my thoughs but the gist being making the special attack more unique for each chain weapon, and adding activated revs into the base combos (like Mk IV Chainsword H3).
median steeple
That's what I was thinking as well, make the special flow more instead of what it is now
royal vortex
It's hard to summarize my thoughs but the gist being making the special attack m...
one of these days fs will add more ppl to playtest
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ripe quest
i mean <@239404785453760512> i'm not like 1 2 3 HEAVY during a tense fight
That just, feels like a simple combo idk.
LLLH isn't particularly hard to perform and you get rewarded with one of the Mk IV's heavies which are absurd.
coarse birch
kill yoshi and take his shovel
also i stayed up till like 7am playing darktide with you and this is what you say
polar nexus
the lights are godamn fast
frosty herald
Theres alot of stuff you can pull from tabletop in terms of infantry weapons
royal vortex
also i stayed up till like 7am playing darktide with you and this is what you sa...
are we talking 7am in the past or 7am in the present
ripe quest
one of these days fs will add more ppl to playtest
Deep down I'd love this but I also know that the reason they haven't been trigger happy with invites is to prevent an overflow of feedback.
coarse birch
7am today
sharp zodiac
I hate that I keep coming back to darktide, I gotta break this loop
polar nexus
Deep down I'd love this but I also know that the reason they haven't been trigge...
and nda breakage in reddit / youtube?
royal vortex
horrific
royal vortex
yeah im est
coarse birch
ok then yeah
ripe quest
and nda breakage in reddit / youtube?
I mean ig but this is going to be a problem (and has been a problem) regardless of how small the playtest environment is.
royal vortex
i stopped playing darktide and then an hour later my house almost burned down
i made a pub angry
median steeple
i stopped playing darktide and then an hour later my house almost burned down
Darktide pleases the gods, if you stop you will die
ripe quest
I went a day without going into the meat grinder and I developed a stomach ulcer
royal vortex
lmao
ripe quest
frosty herald
Just have trusted members of the community and there wont be leaks
polar nexus
you can't
polar nexus
just assume there will be leaks
ripe quest
Just have trusted members of the community and there wont be leaks
I can be trusted Fatshark I only will leak the good ideas (there will be none)
median steeple
Finger
frosty herald
I can be trusted around power greatsword playtests
sharp zodiac
Tomorrow I'll start playing more Baldur's
sharp zodiac
I've neglected the game for far too long
royal vortex
i am still laughing at this one smoke grenade vet who was doing all kinds of tacticool callouts
and one his his callouts was
verbatim
"there's a dog chasing me, it might get me"
one. singular. hound.
ripe quest
you'd have to be running the weirdest loadout in the game to be saying that
at that point just shoot them
royal vortex
he threw no less than 2 smoke grenades (and called them out over vc) on shooters i had just finished meleeing
frank night
houston we have a problem
royal vortex
at one point he also announced he was reloading
random grotto
which of these would you take?
ripe quest
I'll add smokes to the list of things I'll look at.
sharp zodiac
houston we have a problem
Huston
sharp zodiac
Dummy
royal vortex
which of these would you take?
the right
ripe quest
which of these would you take?
right one
sharp zodiac
which of these would you take?
You
frosty herald
Crayon eater freshly back from being deployed in alaska
royal vortex
the callouts were also fairly consistent
sharp zodiac
Hnnrrnng
royal vortex
like he was making it hard to hear
median steeple
Forbidden wizard spell
south folio
also i stayed up till like 7am playing darktide with you and this is what you sa...
u bitch
frank night
the callouts were also fairly consistent
bro just wanted to play rainbow 6 in the 40k universe 
royal vortex
so that he could announce "enemies might be coming up behind us"
he was having a good time
it was endearing
when i was solo clutching he also gave me a fkin motivational speech
wooden river
frank night
royal vortex
why
coarse birch
randos that joined wanted to do it lol
ripe quest
bro just wanted to play rainbow 6 in the 40k universe <a:peeposadcheeks:96366812...
I have a friend who was following Darktide around the same time I looked into it, ~ the first trailer or so. He wanted a slow methodical tactical shooter and was hyped for specifically that when that trailer showing 4 vets popped up.
wooden river
royal vortex
dude was giving it his all though
i respect him
he was for sure havin more fun than i was
frank night
I have a friend who was following Darktide around the same time I looked into it...
ig you could maybe see it coming but ig the guy wasnt aware of tide games in general
wooden river
I've run into a few people like that
ripe quest
he misidentified a chaos spawn as a beast of nurgle
chaos spawn sounds so slimy though
median steeple
I do want an R6 like 40k game or a swat 4 like game
wooden river
it's very endearing indeed
median steeple
Shit would bang
frank night
he was for sure havin more fun than i was
u lost ur childlike sense of wonder when the xmas tree left your ass
median steeple
The foul colossus
wooden river
I do want an R6 like 40k game or a swat 4 like game
You could probably base one off those Kill Team sets GWS has been releasing
royal vortex
and was commissar larping so hard
constant callouts
motivational speeches
it was so cool up until he called a daemonhost a goth girlfriend
median steeple
Amazing
royal vortex
he was p loud yea
ripe quest
god I remember the times where I'd just go down a single part of a tree and run it instead of grabbing the best things that mesh with my weapons
royal vortex
we lost the first match we played together and then i got him again and we won
ripe quest
my vet builds were so weird
royal vortex
https://tenor.com/view/reading-intense-scare-gif-21112634
he also called poxbursters chaos testicles
wooden river
just like the Shroudfield icon
median steeple
I still kind of do that but that's because I love the mark keystone, shout, and kraks
royal vortex
it was kinda sad because he was really good at it and then the dumb humor took me out of it
median steeple
Still have survivalist because augh
wooden river
Immersion ruined
Yeah if you're gonna larp like that, might as well go all the way and be in-universe
ripe quest
Yeah if you're gonna larp like that, might as well go all the way and be in-univ...
That's why the ogryn larpers are usually at least good at being ogryn larpers.
Can't fuck up being dumb
median steeple
Bros playing deathwing
frosty herald
https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/H42R6z7AlHoY1uTo....
Im convinced this killteam is heavily influenced by darktide
wooden river
Glaive/polearm for vet and zealot when
wooden river
Im convinced this killteam is heavily influenced by darktide
Highly likely tbh
That Enlightener is like... the exact same figure in the Shroudfield icon lol
vocal pulsar
https://streamable.com/3gcehb
watch how fast my hp goes down
the gunners msut have all been focused on me
median steeple
Knofe
royal vortex
the gunners msut have all been focused on me
misogyny
frosty herald
Also funny how darktide uses old edition looks for stuff