zealot-class

[solar gorge]

nah fatshark is as delicate as their name implies

[brazen linden]

looks at recon lasguns i mean they dropped the crit strings on that and did some other things that turned em from fun and good into.... something barely usable

[solar gorge]

that gun's gonna die

[spare dome]

recons were dumb at their peak

[brazen linden]

true

but like

[solar gorge]

it was but it didn't deserve to get shat on this hard

[spare dome]

short as it was im happy they killed it

[brazen linden]

they went down HARD

[south folio]

they seemed to be messed with recons too hard but the vast majority of weapons are doing pretty well

[ripe quest]

Well like, a problem is that the Columnus has the highest totals in addition to being able to dump those damage values the fastest.

[south folio]

i'm optimistic and i can always go for another gun if they take it down

[solar gorge]

i'll just switch to a brauto on my vet if they nerf it too hard

[south folio]

i really want weapons to have high finesse values and low base damage

[spare dome]

rewarding headshots and accuracy? In my fps?

[ripe quest]

I'm talking like a 10-15% drop in finesse and it'd be fine where it's at

still a 2x weakspot mod depending on the armor type

[south folio]

i suppose it would make sense since it's the close range archtetype

[ripe quest]

Also if they buff graia a tad

[solar gorge]

make the recoil as bad as old tarkov recoil for a vanilla gun

make that shit spray everywhere but where you want it

[median steeple]

they wish to purchase your most powerful potions

[tame mirage]

they are too strong for him

[fleet zealot]

stealing money

[elfin steppe]

Does it matter? zealot does not have any range crit talent

[ripe quest]

finesse increases weakspot damage + surgical and cavalcade are on the Boltgun.

[elfin steppe]

If you use surgical, it's a worse version of revolver.

[ripe quest]

iirc crab talked about it being better in a couple ways to revolver but I'd have to look into it.

[elfin steppe]

Well, the switch weapon speed alone makes it much worse than the revolver.

[ripe quest]

I mean you can argue that the knife tech erases that problem but also if it's a good weapon the handling would have to be really bad to invalidate that. The pullout is like 1.5 seconds iirc.

It might actually be about the same as plasma

[elfin steppe]

you also have to aim to trigger surgical, 1.5 seconds can stack up to 50% crit rate.

I don't bother to talk about the recoil, it's not a good range option for Zealot if you play any hi int game.

[spare dome]

thats what the knives are for

[ripe quest]

They like, got rid of the recoil

but regardless it just sounds like you dislike slower weapons. That's fine.

[elfin steppe]

Can you people show me a video to prove this weapon is good at hi int?

[ripe quest]

I'm not one to record my own gameplay, you'd need to find some youtuber using it. Also that's a really low bar for a weapon to pass. Taxe passes that bar in the right hands.

[fading vale]

I mostly agree in that bolter is a mid option now especially relative to other guns

[ripe quest]

Yeah it does get outdone by a few specific weapons rn. In my head though I kinda envision it being the same relative ranking that Evis is for melee weapons.

[fading vale]

I mostly preferred it as a shotgun style weapon pre patch and used it a lot

and rarely used to ADS

[ripe quest]

It's like, kinda ok with some specific usecase where it shines but outside it's just the standard ok thing.

I mostly like it for the SC setups and wiping patrols with it lol

Wow looking at the stat lineups boltgun and revolver are super similar

hm

[coarse birch]

ngl im pretty happy with myself i reacted in time but also fuck silent bursters

https://streamable.com/upr46k

or im just deaf

[south folio]

and them getting drowned out by other noises

and specialists being quieter if you're not the target

[coarse birch]

do you hear the burster in the clip arco

i swear i hear nothing

until its right there

[south folio]

i can hear it like 2-3 seconds before you see it

but i'm also not playing in the moment

where things are more chaotic

[coarse birch]

hm

[south folio]

the sound dampening mechanic is nice but the problem is that it applies to enemies who deal collateral damage as well

they really should just make snipers and burster have the same level of noise regardless of who they're targeting

[spare dome]

your own dude called out it even

[south folio]

tbf i had a situation like that where i didn't hear a burster in gameplay but heard it after playing it back

[coarse birch]

oh yeah i actually dont always listen to dialogue tbh

which is partially my bad lol

[spare dome]

only gotta listen for a few key words

like nosh

and emprah

[coarse birch]

ill hear sniper

idk why i tuned out burster

[south folio]

i have most voicelines turned off with the no chitchat mod nowadays

[spare dome]

good save tho honestly

that wind up for the overhead lmao

"SHIIIIT" -throws it wide-

[south folio]

right on time

i thought you hit with the overhead until exploit pointed it out

[coarse birch]

nah i realized just in time

i will be sure to listen for dialogue more now though for when they call out bursters

since hearing the ticking is so inconsistent

[ripe quest]

I have the magic numbers telling me how many scary enemies are out and about

[coarse birch]

yeah part of the reason i dont always pay close attention to dialogue is if i hear them call something out but the same enemy dies soon after/i dont hear their sound i assume its not near us yet

and since i didnt hear that burster ticking i figured it was elsewhere

but that was not the case

simply a skissue

[south folio]

yeah for voiceline callouts i have no idea what their activation condition is

so i don't trust them at all

[spare dome]

i believe with zero confidence

that they call out when they target someone

and not before

[coarse birch]

i swear i hear them call out sniper before its even like able to target but it could have target very briefly and then moved since they can kinda just target and move whenever

[spare dome]

and ive absolutely heard things run around for a while with no call out until 'suddenly' there is one

notably snipers

you'll hear them jankle about for a while sometimes

[coarse birch]

yeah thats what i usually listen for

or ideally see the laser

[south folio]

yeah or the buzz

i mostly rely on hoping that i spot the sniper first though

since my reaction time to sound is so bad

[coarse birch]

hearing the sniper sound out of nowhere would be pretty hard even for a good reaction time tbh

cause the sound is pretty much followed by the shot right away

[south folio]

yeah it's like a ~300ms window

[coarse birch]

i can do it easily if im aware of him

[south folio]

and i don't think the sniper's shot is lag compensated

so it's even less

[vocal pulsar]

funny

[south folio]

i'll watch footage and see me press shift before a sniper's shot

[vocal pulsar]

i dont trust you at all

[south folio]

but i get domed nevertheless

look at what trash has been washed up ashore

[coarse birch]

sprinting isnt how you dodge them

[vocal pulsar]

what if you just got good

[south folio]

i'm going to stab you

[south folio]

why don't you go be my canary in a cage for snipers

[vocal pulsar]

you belong in a cage

forever

[coarse birch]

has arco always been this hostile mankar

[frank night]

the rabies has been progressing for some time

[vocal pulsar]

yes. always. objectively bad, and horrible and terrible person

[coarse birch]

should have known

[south folio]

wtf

[coarse birch]

all im saying is

you threaten to stab me

and push me into a volcano

and bake me

seems like something a bad person would say

[spare dome]

maybe youre a lasagna

[coarse birch]

dude i wish

[south folio]

oh

then i can just bake you into a lasagna

[frank night]

he doesnt conciously make the threats any more

it's just a reflex now

he will see me typing and tell me to explode

[south folio]

my eyes become bloodred at the sight of other people

[coarse birch]

same

notice how i dont say im going to stab them?

[south folio]

at least i'm honest and outspoken

[coarse birch]

i have thought it

i will admit

and i have told you i will wipe any trace of your existence off the map once

[south folio]

uh huh

the moral ground for you is starting to come down like an elevator to my level

[coarse birch]

only cause you cut the suspension

also does this mean you agree with mankar

[south folio]

whatever you're referring to, i automatically disagree with what mankar's said

[coarse birch]

^

is what i was referring to

also i know i just like insulted you and all that but do you want to play

i keep getting knife psykrs

[south folio]

okie

i will take this opportunity to kill you

[coarse birch]

oi

[south folio]

😇

[coarse birch]

thats not what i said

well

[south folio]

that's what i said

[coarse birch]

ig it technically is

by asking you to play

i did agree to potential death

[south folio]

insults somebody and then invites them to be in the same room as them

@vocal pulsar are you playing as well

[coarse birch]

wait did i miss your invite

i was alt tabbed and it goes away in like 2 seconds

[south folio]

nah

i hadn't invited you until that one

[ornate bone]

whats good for curcis

the blessings and perks 🤔

[coarse birch]

thrust/headtaker or slaught and unyield/flak

elites is ok in place of flak

[ornate bone]

gotcha.

ty

this hammer is ass then?

[coarse birch]

if you change both blessings its like usable

[ornate bone]

cool cool

[coarse birch]

unyielding is the more important perk

[ornate bone]

but it wouldnt be that good then?

that suks cause i like the base stats

[vocal pulsar]

yes

but

need 10 mins or so

[south folio]

kk

[coarse birch]

it would be fine but not perfect

like you could use that

reasonable

[ornate bone]

for ironhelm outside of thrust what other blessing should i aim for? 🤔

[coarse birch]

slaught

same perks

[ornate bone]

ty ty B)

[coarse birch]

oh so now i get the illisi psykers

[south folio]

simply the aura that i emanate

oh he's deimos now

[coarse birch]

ill take anything over bleed knife

[south folio]

alright let's see if i blow up

[light badge]

so I tried a build with the crusher and crit regen invis
it's pretty mediocre for damage, but I'm practically impossible to kill

[median steeple]

ah the MMO tank dilemma

do no damage but are impossible to kill

[light badge]

I mean it's not like, no damage whatsoever

it's just that I will get outdamaged by any competent Psyker

[chilly surge]

Was able to get Shocking Stuff on Malace with this earlier, thanks.

[light badge]

not sure I'm feeling on the drip though. any second opinions?

[median steeple]

I swear there was a blue version of this in the docket shop

I could be having a dementia moment

[light badge]

there is some blue in it

[median steeple]

hmmm now that I see it

it does look decent

[copper hawk]

bloo

[gaunt roost]

isnt this insane anti synergy

[copper hawk]

lmfao

[rough galleon]

but see how well they cover eachother's downtime

[visual blade]

how do i post pictures? i wish to flex something i just rolled from brunt's armoury

[south folio]

prob cuz you're a new joiner

[visual blade]

i think i'd keep this just for the joke of it

[south folio]

basically they made a change where people below a certain amount of activity can't post pictures n whatnot

[visual blade]

is it time-related or a message amount thing? i tried looking for it but have failed to find it so far

[south folio]

no idea what their criteria of "activity" is

[median steeple]

its a mystery maybe its the amount of time you're in the server for

like maybe once the "im new here" tag is gone you get the convict tag

[vocal pulsar]

you have no brain activity

[visual blade]

i saw a completely fresh join (aka fresher than me) be red already so it's most definitely a message activity thing

pity. 373 mk15 heavy eviscerator is not something one finds every day

[median steeple]

I mean you could save the picture

[visual blade]

i'll be keeping the weapon anyway. the damage being 56% is unfortunate but hadron didn't screw me over with blessings and perks so it's most definitely better than my previous one

[median steeple]

[visual blade]

question though: does the talent punishment do something for weapons which cleave? what with it giving impact strength

[dusky mountain]

bruh this game hates me

[visual blade]

not only the blessing but the damage, too!

(doesn't matter on a flamer anyway but it's funny to see)

[dusky mountain]

damage dont matter?

[visual blade]

the difference betwee yours with 75% and its 38% is 2

[north sedge]

Burn matters

[visual blade]

on weapons that don't do DoT, damage is best

[dusky mountain]

oh nvm then ima get it then

[visual blade]

but on flamer and purgation staff it's pretty mid

blessing is a mk1 so i don't think it's that much of an upgrade

[dusky mountain]

so this flamer is really good then just need to hope for good perks and blessings then?

[visual blade]

the perk it has is mid if you have a good melee weapon

[sterile basalt]

What’s the most important perk for mk15 evicerator

[fading vale]

it scales cleave stagger on cleave targets yes

[visual blade]

the blessing is definitely in need of a change

[north sedge]

Need 76 burn

[fading vale]

good stats, damage is dump yes, but hope you get a decent perk and blessing on upgrade

the left flamer of course

[rancid topaz]

hello, how do yall get the plasteel to do all the crafting to find the good perks? i ran 4 auric damnations last night (1 fail) and came out with like 1600 , which goes quickly tbh

[sterile basalt]

what should I swap infested for

[visual blade]

more missions

[fading vale]

auric/maelstrom doesn't give more plasteel

[rancid topaz]

twas my fear for an answer

[sterile basalt]

Spam regular damnation quick play

[visual blade]

crit chance/crit damage?

[sterile basalt]

There’s no plasteel difference between regular and auric

[fading vale]

flak

[sterile basalt]

Are those even remotely impactful enough for evicerator?

[sterile basalt]

Alr thx

[rancid topaz]

oof, so like 400-600 to run is really what i'm lookin at? ty that is good to know

[fading vale]

never use crit chance or crit damage perks, crit damage especially, crit chance is decent on like 2 or 3 weapons

crit damage and weakspot are not 10% as they say

[sterile basalt]

no u should be looking at 700+ per game for damnation

[sterile basalt]

yea ik

[rancid topaz]

must not be looking enough, ty , good to have a baseline

[sterile basalt]

was debating between maniac, flak and unyielding mostly

[tropic harbor]

I'm gonna make a knife video to prove you wrong

[fading vale]

[sterile basalt]

with quick play's 10% bonus u could easily be getting close to 800 per game
still depends on map tho, I've consistently had the worst plasteel payout in comms plex (~600 or so)

[lone pecan]

Rate this for a shred/momentum evis build, just for speeding around and turning brain off

[fading vale]

I question why you would mix crit evis with not crit

[coarse birch]

yeah id drop crit CDR for second wind

unless your running shred or something

then maybe its ok

[fading vale]

they said shred

[coarse birch]

but tbh i havent done shred evis without fury

[fading vale]

and they have second wind

[coarse birch]

oh im blind

[fading vale]

though I wouldn't generally recommend second wind

[coarse birch]

they dont have second wind

isnt that right above knives

or am i remembering skill tree wrong

[fading vale]

oh oops

[frozen glen]

its the fuckin contra build

[rancid topaz]

do you know if when you backfill into a mission if you get full plasteel of the run on quickplay?

[fading vale]

I was thinking of uh

swift

[frozen glen]

hes come back

[sterile basalt]

Yes

[visual blade]

yes

[sterile basalt]

If u win

[fading vale]

I'd just lean into full crit with piety

[coarse birch]

although i think contra ran martyr

[lone pecan]

So that's a no on that build then?

[visual blade]

which makes quickplay so much better than selecting a mission

[fading vale]

since that is the point of the crit CDR, but I bet your build semi works just struggles with toughness

[lone pecan]

I would have momentum blessing for toughness

[rancid topaz]

ty ty

[lone pecan]

What's wrong with it? I have that on a few builds to get toughness

[fading vale]

I said the wrong talent name

I meant swift certainty

[visual blade]

so swift certainty not good?

[lone pecan]

Ah, okay

[fading vale]

it's movement speed and you can diagonally dodge ranged while sprinting at 0 stam

generally not worth over other options

[visual blade]

i liked it for the 10% sprtint speed but even then i'm just a speed addict

[fading vale]

most assume that it saying dodging means something related to dodging

[dusky mountain]

what should i change? a small park of me just wants to change just the perks and leave the blessings but showstopper is really hurting to look at

[rancid topaz]

also thank you all for answering my plasteel questions, i appreciate it, it was very helpful

[visual blade]

the first blessing and the first perk, by the throne

[lone pecan]

I'm also only taking it for the sprint speed, together with a high mobility columnus I'm almost too fast

[fading vale]

erm, everything here kind of is not great but I'd say stam to flak and fan to blaze

[rancid topaz]

on weapons, do you prioritize the blessings or the raw stats?

[fading vale]

it depends on the weapon and breakpoints

[visual blade]

when buying them?

[fading vale]

generally just upgrade weapons with good stat rolls

unless you have a good roll missing a blessing you don't have

[mighty kelp]

Can anyone tell me what to change here ? I went for flak maniac cause I didn't know what else to do

[fading vale]

flak maniac is correct

[median steeple]

almost always the right answer

[mighty kelp]

Running this build with it

Someone recommended it to me a while back

Any glaring issues ?

[fading vale]

solid build, no changes

[mighty kelp]

Sweet

Then it's just the class that feels tiring to play

Jokes

But it's been rough getting back into zealot

I cry a little bit Everytime I have to shoot stuff with zealot

[median steeple]

it could weapons

yes picking a ranged option on zealot is

augh

[rancid topaz]

i switched to speedy boy with daggers n im fast as fuck boi

[lone pecan]

Old revolver solves that problem for me

[dusky mountain]

what should i change it to i have all blessings but blaze away 😥

[median steeple]

that fucking sucks because BA is like the only really good blessing on the flamer

[mighty kelp]

I run a zarona revolver with the most infuriating reload imagineable

[lone pecan]

Reload in elevators

[tropic harbor]

So at this point are there any weapons considered useless? It seems like most weapons are very effective now

Knife still struggles, but I’ve even seen decent knife users.

[lone pecan]

Recon Lasguns?

[spare dome]

my vote still goes to power maul

[median steeple]

yeah paul and recons would be the worst

maybe another og weapon I cant think of

if the helgun ever comes out I hope its decent

all I want is a fully auto lasgun that isnt dog

[visual blade]

flamers seem bad to me

which is ironic since i can't play a psyker without a purgatus staff

[median steeple]

the tag has appeared

the flamer is really fun and is pretty good

just it has one good blessing atm due to OP being bugged

stil

[copper hawk]

Recon lasguns

A lot of the normal lasguns

Taxes

Flamer is kinda obsolete except in certain circumstances

[visual blade]

should i cry or rejoice?

[copper hawk]

The one brown caxe

The achyls? Idk

[visual blade]

heavy evis mk15

[copper hawk]

It's bugged

And worthless

[visual blade]

suppose this is a better screenshot

[copper hawk]

Power maul

[polar nexus]

TIL trappers are parkour athletes

[visual blade]

they also like spawning out of nowhere

[polar nexus]

they are like the nurgle version of batman

[visual blade]

is it not falling backwards?

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/jump-court-judge-guy-jumps-at-judge-gif-9613705583079166307

[polar nexus]

https://youtu.be/Uw0CjrIjcvQ?si=OedbUNSc0LX9zXsQ&t=1635

[visual blade]

IT DID WHAT

[polar nexus]

look at that

[vocal pulsar]

grey weapon spotted in auric

@royal vortex

[long sluice]

Is auric damnation more efficient ordo/material farming than regular damnation?

I started playing auric yesterday and it was way smoother and more fun than I thought. Don't really want to go back to regular, but always starving for materials.

[median steeple]

No I don't think auric gives more than normal damn

I don't know if the spawn rates are increased but the quick play % isn't iirc

[misty raven]

Depends. Aurics have more consistent higher payout because of the modifiers. But if you fail them, not so much. Materials? It's the same as far as I know.

[royal vortex]

a fuckin hero

[fading vale]

auric only buffs ordos

[median steeple]

40k streltsi

[ripe quest]

if your hand slips you lose 4 fingers

[misty raven]

Hunt Showdown gaming

[visual blade]

do lasguns have recoil? if so, you hold the barrel a bit too loosely and you now don't have a hand

[tropic harbor]

I’m asking fat shark to ban that mod

[ripe quest]

In lore they don't but ingame they have a light kick to them.

[long sluice]

More ordos seems worth it though

[polar nexus]

and sometimes your heart rate

[ripe quest]

So far the fastest mat farming I've found is just like, duo running around with knife, chainsword, or caxe and checking everything on base damn.

[long sluice]

Yeah but that requires friends 😄

[ripe quest]

you can do it in pubs, just don't like throw and you'll be fine

[tropic harbor]

Just play damnation

Get 600 plasteel per game

[fading vale]

can't remember the last time I played regular damnation

[tropic harbor]

Yeah you should stick to sedition

[fading vale]

[small heron]

This is genius, give that thing to an ogryn and stand back.

[ripe quest]

once I have the perfect everything I'll stop grinding base damnation

[long sluice]

So...only 5k more hours to go?

[ripe quest]

My definition of perfect is like midway between "oh this 4/5 weapon is bricked fuck fatshark" and "I'll run white items" so I'm like halfway there rn.

[south folio]

roomba grindset

the found ya mod is nice for that

and you can make a one line change to see mats through walls

[coarse birch]

your built like a roomba

[south folio]

OwO

[ripe quest]

sometimes I wonder how many mods are like this

I spent more time than I'm willing to admit trying to get mods to dupe ingame items

[coarse birch]

i wouldnt be shocked if a bunch are just small line changes yeah

[median steeple]

i love opossums

[fading vale]

most of the difficulty in modding mods is knowing what things are called

[long sluice]

???? What is the magic, I need to know.

[fleet zealot]

grenades are called minions or something right

in the code

it's fucked in there

warp charges and peril are called souls and warp charge in the code respectively

[median steeple]

why the fuck are grenades called minions

what kind of picture of a coconut shit is this

[spare dome]

its swedish for grenade

[fading vale]

ogryn cleavers are called combat blades

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/trogdor-gif-4762062

Burninate is the best one

[spare dome]

danananaaaa danananaaaa

[north sedge]

Which is infernus stacks i think

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-wheeze-gif-14488819

[ripe quest]

It refers to any burn related thing

warpfire, burn, infernus stacking, yada yada

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/trogdor-gif-5283314

[ripe quest]

I personally really enjoy shovels being labeled as axes and zealot's stealth stuff being called stab guy

[misty ravine]

I believe it. Would explain a lot

[hushed knoll]

EXHILLIOUS HI

[ripe quest]

Hello stan

it is currently 12 am

[hushed knoll]

That's impossible

[misty ravine]

Be pretty funny if Fatshark keeps messing up with cooldown-reduction abuse because they keep overlooking it because in the code "cooldown" is referred to as "hurdyGurdyBorkBorkBork"

[polar nexus]

@ripe quest have you check the testing in psyker chat?

you may have an idea, considering the amount of code you're looking at

[ripe quest]

I've heard something about a deep dive into what the ults look like or smth.

I'd normally say nothing new there but most people don't know that stuff so it's cool to see demos showing it off.

[visual blade]

what am i looking at?

[polar nexus]

there were some videos on reddit as well with the range of different explosions too

[polar nexus]

venting shriek

[visual blade]

i was for sure it had a wider range

[visual blade]

though seeing it hits things around the psyker is nice

[polar nexus]

that's the debate

[visual blade]

nice hat

[glad wren]

And goes through walls/cover

[median steeple]

little goober

[ripe quest]

A lot of explosions are thought of to be smaller than they actually are. GG on Ogryn is a fun case where most people don't know how absurd the punch is.

Trauma too

Shit is huge, esp with applications of debuffs

[visual blade]

what blessings for this

[ripe quest]

Is this a recreation of what's assumed or is this a model from the game?

[ripe quest]

That's rough but I'd swap Rev it Up to Rampage and Infested to Flak

Normally it's just Rampage + anything except bloodletter, rev it up, and perfect strike

[visual blade]

the shredder more than makes up for the low damage

i'm running this with 3 wound relics so the damage is good enough

[fleet zealot]

ferrito

[fleet zealot]

damage is base damage

shredder is the scaling %/effectiveness of that damage

base damage>>>> basically everything

[ripe quest]

I'm moreso referring to the blessings and perks. The 56% damage stat is ~9% loss which might drop a BP but I haven't checked it.

[polar nexus]

That's a recreation based on empiric testing

[ripe quest]

Figured, was confused when I first saw it.

[median steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/897614777315123230/1203378199761920092/423189813_307884335111286_3296404366774786116_n.mp4?ex=65d0e048&is=65be6b48&hm=5fa4ef5c5129509f047e515c2d4b2cc14a7d7815b837ad09e6b8ee37e6b0a944&

[fleet zealot]

i would kill his haters

[median steeple]

he is snoozmaxing

[polar nexus]

Trauma is HUUUUGE. And so blazing trauma is totally absurd.

[median steeple]

im pretty sure the guy who made that shriek video did one for ogs bodyguard yell

[polar nexus]

You're just burning the whole map

[copper hawk]

popso

[ripe quest]

I would assume that's been known for a while.

[polar nexus]

Ask @vapid turtle or check Reddit. You'll find the video easily

[polar nexus]

Yeah but seeing from above is something else

[median steeple]

yeah I found it

pretty damn big

[sharp zodiac]

Huge eveb

[hollow star]

is this an okay heavy sword to pick up from melk?

i dont have one at all atm

[vocal pulsar]

yes, because headtaker is one of the meta blessing picks

[hollow star]

based

[vocal pulsar]

you want headtaker and deathblow

[hollow star]

sweet, at the very least ill have rank 4 headtaker then

thanks homie

[vocal pulsar]

yw

peak hsword

[hollow star]

[sharp zodiac]

Not 550 unfortunately

[spare talon]

i dont need it but melk brought a REALLY servicable heavy sword 9 today

[polar nexus]

Deathblow savage sweep is the new meta

Trust me

[coral smelt]

is this worth

[sharp zodiac]

Eh

[median steeple]

melk shop moment

[polar nexus]

Rampage to deathblow sprint eff to maniac or flak

It's very serviceable

[spare talon]

I feel like I'm the only one who still prefers rampage over deathblow, despite knowing what deathblow does

I don't know why but I just like rampage more

[coral smelt]

which heavy sword is the best?

[frozen kernel]

Oh god it didnt paste right

[spare talon]

yeah i saw 3 images for a split second

[vapid turtle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srZHQhURyVc cheeeers

[frozen kernel]

I think it thought I was spamming

This is my current evi, should I run Invocation of Death (melee crits reduce ability) or Master's Retribution (attackers knocked back CD: 10s)?

[polar nexus]

Invoc

[spare talon]

masters retribution is basically never worth it

[ornate bone]

Is this a good base weapon?

[frozen kernel]

I don't really pay attention to my numbers. Do I crit enough for it to be worth without having a shredder evi?

[spare talon]

especially when its rigtht next to crit cdr

[frozen kernel]

Ah, gotcha

[spare talon]

are you taking piety?

[frozen kernel]

I just took CDR because any CDR is nice

[spare talon]

i assume so since youre heading that way

[frozen kernel]

I have piety and stalwart

[spare talon]

if you have piety, any weapon with cleave is good enough

pair it with scourge and your cdr is through the roof, even without shred

[frozen kernel]

Oh yeah free 15%

[spare talon]

if you go down the objectively correct path, you get 25%

[coral smelt]

which heavy sword is the best?

[frozen kernel]

Dont have enough for righteous warrior so stalwart is gonna get me better results

[spare talon]

was about to answer this but i got swept up in crit cdr talk lol
all of them are good, its just a preference of attack pattern
i personally recommend the mk9 due to its easy and reliable moveset

[vocal pulsar]

they are all good, but 9 is probably easier to use

[frozen kernel]

But good to know that the right side is the good one if you're going all the way down

[spare talon]

drastically untrue

stalwart gives toughness upon TRIGGERING piety

meaning when you get to 25 stacks

and it will not proc again until piety drops completely and is built back up again

which in higher difficulties, its gonna drop very rarely

[frozen kernel]

Ahhh gotcha, missed that part of stal

[spare talon]

you would be better off with the other one

[ripe quest]

no dude 2% extra toughness on any kill

[coral smelt]

also what are the practical uses of the special on heavy sword?

[frozen kernel]

It'll compliment my +ordo dockets curios

[ripe quest]

It's the goto for Carapace damage + has good stagger.

[frozen kernel]

And my stamina regen

[spare talon]

it staggers everything short of muties and bosses
this includes crushers and ragers who are mid attack
it also fully resets the attack pattern, so you can directly follow it with the heavy 1 attack, which on the mk9 is an overhead, allowing for a great single target combo

[ripe quest]

If you're not using block cancels the best cara damage is H1 SA but if you bc you can just spam SAs

[spare talon]

fury rising allows you to maintain piety when not actually killing enemies, which makes a big difference when youre fighting a boss or are backpedaling or just being generally defensive
it also allows it to generally ramp up to max faster

[coral smelt]

i m like spamming special on a crushers head and its doing 240 dmg per hit

[spare talon]

do a special attack then a heavy then a special and so forth

see how much dps thats doing

its obviously not going to be stellar, but it is pretty good considering youre using a sword, whose glaring weakness is carapace armor

[coral smelt]

yeah i am not even going to bother with it lol. 244 dps is trash. I m pulling out the bolter for those

[dawn wharf]

For breakpoints in a video, does anyone have advice for how far to go? Between talents, blessings, perks, and stats there are a lot of ways you can move your damage against a particular enemy and it feels like a very very deep rabbit hole

[ripe quest]

That's because it is a deep rabbit hole. It's not possible to make a video covering everything, josho was pulling hair finding the talent related BPs for just the Crusher.

As a side project I'm making a calc that helps this but I think the best bet would probs be covering tools and what to look out for.

[polar nexus]

I would either say something is good in 80% of the case or here's a specific solution to a specific mob problem

[ripe quest]

If it's just a weapon or two you can probs get by with it. Cover perks and blessings. If a weapon seems to be able to squeeze an extra BP in look for talents.

[spare talon]

its amazing compared to other swords, which most dont also have a stagger either
just bear in mind that the sword can do that in a pinch if you dont have a bolter loaded

[polar nexus]

You can look at what ryken did for the helbore

[dawn wharf]

Oh I love Rykens content

[ripe quest]

You could also just say how much damage would be required to hit a breakpoint, and list possible candidates for it.

[fleet zealot]

thanks for reminding me to check melk store

[ripe quest]

thank you for reminding me to check melk as well

[dawn wharf]

It's more in the context of a weapon or weapons class at a time, so I think the approach of describing that "the weapon can kill in X hits but can kill in X-1 if..." may be the best way to go.

Oh my God it's perfect

Between to Headhunters I'm assuming?

[fleet zealot]

i got blazing for trauma

and that's really it

tons of t3 blessings and nothing exceptional

[fleet zealot]

niceu

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/niko-oneshot-ballin-teste-niko-ballin-gif-26110464

[fleet zealot]

are you allowed to use that gif /j

[brisk raft]

Love that game

[ripe quest]

Yeah there's a lot of ways to go about it. Depends on how much info you want to provide with each weapon vs. how much effort you want to put in.

[polar nexus]

HOLY

[polar nexus]

what is the game?

https://tenor.com/view/hyper-light-drifter-gif-22431840

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/whotookmypancakes-kira-kat5-niko-oneshot-motolov-gif-26071871

[polar nexus]

i love hld

[ripe quest]

If I were to ever make smth like that I'd probs make a big chart for each weapon showing how much damage it would need to hit notable BPs, then a bar showing how much damage you can get on each class and how easy it is. Like "you can get 20% for free but you need to squeeze it out to get 155%."

[polar nexus]

i would do like at work

a graph with the info, and the tl dr for the boss in the room

or the people always on their fucking laptops answering emails

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/rei-chiquita-gif-22832541

[ripe quest]

It's always fun gathering like, a massive block of info inputted into a spreadsheet and summarizing it into "yeah this weapon is x compared to this other weapon".

[polar nexus]

don't tell me about it...

[glad wren]

Are, Lacerate(bleed stacks on non-weak spot hits)
and Mercy Killer(+ weak spot damage. Enemies with Bleed stacks)
The ideal Blessing combo for Knives?

[ripe quest]

I have a spreadsheet that's basically just a whiteboard for me and it's just, filling up fast.

[arctic fiber]

What should I change on this one?

[fleet zealot]

not even close

[spare talon]

lacerate, a blessing that requires you to not hit the head, on a weapon that only does meaningful damage to the head, is bad

[fleet zealot]

the best "bleed" blessing is flesh tearer, cause knife crit rate is huge by default and knife has amazing weakspot modifiers so you always want to be going for headshots

but the ideal blessing combination is uncanny strike+ precognition OR executor

[spare talon]

4 bleed stacks is like 20 damage per tick

[polar nexus]

i did that 2 years ago, with a shit ton of financial info... i only used that as a reference in case somebody asked... the tl dr was stop that, do this instead, gain millions

[spare talon]

a hit to the head is like 500 damage with a heavy

[polar nexus]

nothing else mattered

[spare talon]

with no blessings

[ripe quest]

Lacerate is counter-synergetic to Mercy Killer and the knife itself. Currently the consensus is that Uncanny Strike is required, Flesh Tearer is the better of the two bleed blessings, and Precog, Executor, and Riposte provide better damage.

[spare talon]

people can 5-6 shot bosses to the headwith a properly set up knife

[polar nexus]

the perks and it's perfect

like perfecter than perfect

[arctic fiber]

Flak/maniac?

[dawn wharf]

Executor is a nice replacement for Precog if you want the Impact provided by the Power boost, but Precog is the excepted minmax damage option from what I've seen

[polar nexus]

flak unyielding

[arctic fiber]

Thank you!

[polar nexus]

unyielding for bosses, flak for armored stuff

don't forget to take anoint in blood as well

it's 20% free dmg close range

[glad wren]

Word, thank you. Haven't tried Knife Zealot yet, and been getting few random rolls. Haven't switched out any perks/blessings, so this helps

[arctic fiber]

Will do

[dawn wharf]

Isn't Riposte only boosting crit chance or does it do something else?

[polar nexus]

and fury will downgrade the armor of stuff

this is how you kill crushers and a bunch of armored elites with some burn stacks

[arctic fiber]

So start the burn, then pop fury?

[polar nexus]

yep

as long as it is affected by a dot

so that can be 1 crusher or 20

[frozen kernel]

Is this any good?

Def gotta reroll the perks but are those blessings workable?

[polar nexus]

you want rampage + shred/momentum or bloodthirsty

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/izutsumi-dungeon-dungeon-meshi-delicious-in-dungeon-cat-girl-gif-2649259324055197952

[polar nexus]

depending on what you want to do

perfect strike is not worth it

[frozen kernel]

I use the MkII evi, I just wanted to try this one out

What does the XV usually play like?

[polar nexus]

spam ligths, heavies on elite

[dawn wharf]

I really like running shred on evis so that you can do the whole Fury spam CDR shenanigans

Also for the XV, that really helps with the weapon speed since the lights can be kinda slow compared to the Mk II

[frozen kernel]

I have Momentum IV and Bloodthirsty IV, could prolly rip Shred IV off of one of the trash evis I have

Should I go with Shred or Bloodthirsty?

[rigid trellis]

it's a lot simpler, you spam light attacks for hordes and use heavy attacks for elites/bosses and push attack for specialists excluding mutants

[median steeple]

whats the diff again, shred is normal attacks and BT is specials?

[dawn wharf]

Yup pretty much

[frozen kernel]

BT is 100% crit after special kills ye

Shred is chain hit

According to desc at least

[median steeple]

pretty sure shred is better but I could be wrong

[dawn wharf]

I'd say shred since rerevving could really slow it down

[frozen kernel]

Fair enough, shred it is then

[dawn wharf]

Good news though is that slot is kinda your flex spot now, so you can honestly swap back and forth and see which is better for you

[spare talon]

well that was my first game of the day

[dawn wharf]

But shred will be insanely consistent in hordes and they reworked it a while back so it doesn't reset stack due to blocks, dodges, and slides

[ripe quest]

Shred works on everything and requires chained hits, BT works on everything but requires a kill with the special attack prior.

BT on the XV is specifically used for Crusher chaining.

[median steeple]

[frozen kernel]

Alrighty lets take it for a spin

[median steeple]

so yeah shred/rampage would be better than BT

[tropic harbor]

Was your team bad, or were you so good they couldn't score any points?

[dawn wharf]

Aaaaaaaah that's kinda neat

[spare talon]

why cant it be both

[dawn wharf]

So just spam specials for guaranteed critties on Crushers

[spare talon]

i actually accidentally triggered a dh during that game and killed it too

WAIT

WAIT

[tropic harbor]

Hate to be that guy, but what is BT?

[ripe quest]

Bloodthirsty

[spare talon]

I HAD NEARLY 2x THE AMOUNT OF BOSS DAMAGE AS THE GUY WITH A THUNDERHAMMER

IM USING A FUCKING DCLAW

[median steeple]

fucking whar

[ripe quest]

Yeah. It's a low bar to hit the BP as well, either requires +Cara or damage buffs up.

[dawn wharf]

Crusher conga lines be damned

[ionic turret]

Bluetooth, as long as you keep it revved the playlist keeps going

[coarse birch]

sustained assualt gets you there nicely

[ripe quest]

Yeah absolutely

[coarse birch]

disdain too probs

[ripe quest]

no

[coarse birch]

but ive tested more with assault

[ripe quest]

mega cringe

[spare talon]

i cant be the only fucking one

[ripe quest]

Relying on Disdain for BPs only leads to sadness

[spare talon]

theyre the same fucking image

[median steeple]

his fucking goggles are so dusty

he does look a little sad

[spare talon]

it looks like the sad cat eyes

like i saw that first before i realized it was dust

brunt
dude

[median steeple]

yummy

[spare talon]

BRUNT
DUDE

[dawn wharf]

Yeah problem with disdain is that it resets on every attack. Though it's still really good for weed whacking hordes

[ripe quest]

Oh also that HH I got earlier was on Vet

[spare talon]

its a very reliable bonus to your total damage output against hordes, and its literally at the start of the tree, you can literally take it if you have all you need with a spare point left over

[ripe quest]

time to kill boss in 4 seconds

[dawn wharf]

Yup, plus it's super cheap to get since it's a one node detour from the start

[prisma sigil]

Just had a level 23 ogryn in auric damn lol

[spare talon]

was dragged into there

[prisma sigil]

O yea ik

It was a blast

We won np

more kills for me

[spare talon]

i love those games unironically
most of the time its just a test of self sufficency

[prisma sigil]

EXACTLY

I want to solo auric damns so bring it ON

zealot is so fun to play

[spare talon]

zealot has made me dogshit at other classes

[prisma sigil]

i love the chem dog + rogue trader combo

its drippin

[spare talon]

im casualpilled

[prisma sigil]

dam nice mats

i have about half your plasteel / dia tho im at 20 mil ordos

[spare talon]

i spent about 3 mil dockets for a good shovel on vet and ive only used in one game

because i immediately went back to zealot

even if i go back to vet though i have a good claw on there so

whoopsie

you can pry this thing outta my cold dead hands

too bad thats not gonna happen with it in my hands tho

[ripe quest]

It's so funny going onto Ogryn after a bit and just eating toughness damage. Like I accidentally tanked a sniper shot earlier it was so goofy.

0 health damage

gunners did 4% of my toughness bar and I'm a lynchpin enjoyer

[spare talon]

its the overall lower actions per minute that gets me, if that makes sense

[gusty condor]

i feel like i suck at zealot after playing other classes, dont really like pure melee anymore

[spare talon]

it takes longer to do things, even if the end result justifies how long that action took

and i just feel worse and play worse because of it

i also feel terrible dodging as an ogryn

[ripe quest]

I can see that yeah. I end up on both ends of the spectrum with this because sometimes I rock a Rumbler + Mk I Club and max charge Crushers and others I'm rocking a Mk IV Cleaver and an Achlys Stubber

[spare talon]

its hard to quantify if its the larger hitbox, the different perspective, or whatever
i just suck at it when im so good at it on zealot

[gusty condor]

been playing weap specialist vet with shovel it feels pretty good in melee, so much stagger

[spare talon]

ok im gonna close darktide and actually make more progress on p3r cuz if i dont close it ill just spend all night standing around the mourningstar lol

[prime ridge]

👀

worth rolling on, yeah?

seeing how bad hadron can dicker it up

[ripe quest]

May as well.

[prime ridge]

workable?

[spare talon]

what is that supposed to be

crusher?

the weapon i mean

or a thunderhammer

[ripe quest]

mmm, I'd probs just steal Overpressure off of it incase it gets fixed. If you want to make it workable swap QF to Blaze Away and +Crit Damage to +Flak

[ripe quest]

dealer's choice

[spare talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1069272869353312337/1097314792471011399/snapchat.gif

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/perfect-cell-ballin-dragon-ball-z-nba-2k19-gif-20993953

[spare talon]

dont push this on me
you posted it

[prime ridge]

overpressure still isn't fixed?

[ripe quest]

Yeah it's still not great.

[frozen kernel]

So after trying the XV evi I gotta say...

[prime ridge]

Its perfect?

[frozen kernel]

It feels like it's just a better MkII

I wish it was a TAD faster and the push attack is trash but like

unf

[spare talon]

bear in mind that it is actually functionally worse at horde killing than the mk2

[frozen kernel]

It does feel good just annihilating crushers, maulers, ragers

[prime ridge]

The push attack is good on ragers, and it does hardcap at 4

[spare talon]

so while it has a great moveset, it does have that one weakness

[prime ridge]

But while the killing power caps at 4 the stagger dont

[frozen kernel]

If I bring the XV I might pair it with an autogun over the revolver

Revolver feels nice with the MkII as a special deleter for me

[prime ridge]

I've fallen in with a knife build

[frozen kernel]

You damned soul

To the sixth circle with you

[prime ridge]

not the knife weapon

but the throwing knife

[spare talon]

what weapon blessing you pairing with it

[spare talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1126340682156621855/1194812476269801472/darktide.gif

[zinc talon]

god. if only

put all my ammo on a drum I promise I'll be stingy with it

first legit cool knife I've seen for sale from the RNG

I'D use that

and I don't use knives

[fair igloo]

what triggers the charge enemy lock on? Like wut are the requirements to get it to happen
just look at an enemy 50 m away or closer and don't run into anything?

[spare talon]

is that ranged stagger i see??? no twbs???

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-gif-26070434

[zinc talon]

ho-lee-shit

the chainsword stuns demons?

[elfin steppe]

I basically never use twbs

[spare talon]

youre a mightier soul than i

[zinc talon]

what do you mean charge enemy lock on

[opaque island]

it is inarguably a crutch, it makes my life harder as a zealot main when i play other classes

cause im so used to having it

[fair igloo]

How the charge can extend and automatically make you run to an enemy you lock onto with it

[opal sparrow]

Double data interrogation lol, first time that has happened to me

[fair igloo]

It makes it way more fun but i'm just wondering what the requirements to consistently get it to work are

[spare talon]

it seemed like it only did that when he hit the head, and it wasnt a stagger, only an interrupt, since it started to attack again mid rev

[zinc talon]

sure

[fair igloo]

It's fun since it makes it easier to charge at enemies like mutants and hounds when their Ai makes like 4 U turns

[zinc talon]

Just, color me surprised is all

[spare talon]

yeah no i did a double take too lmao

[zinc talon]

dumb do you mean, when you use the zealot charge ability and lock on to an enemy?

[spare talon]

yeah like sometimes its just a little boost and other times you go cross map to hit one fucking dude

[zinc talon]

oh

uhm

damn I don't have an answer for yall at all

[spare talon]

i honestly have no idea what the logic of targeting is

[zinc talon]

yeah

[spare talon]

and ive used it for 400+ hours

[zinc talon]

some things worth testing in the psyk, crosshair on torso/head

[sinful widget]

Is there a reason to ever use the hammer of faith node? +30% impact strength

[zinc talon]

whether or not you've just previously damaged them

[spare talon]

i have a video of me 5 feet from an elite, crosshair is on him, i charge, and it sends me targeted toward a random fuckass shooter on the other side of the pit at the end of hab drayko and i get cliffed

[zinc talon]

what they're doing when you initiate the ability

like, shooting at you kidna stuff

[fair igloo]

Yea this basically
like sometimes I'll lock onto a mutant running across my screen and I travel across the entire country in a 90 degree turn to hit it
and then I charge straight at an enemy 25 meters away and it's just the little baby charge

[crisp veldt]

best blessing for eviscerator?

[spare talon]

rampage

[zinc talon]

shred, depending

[spare talon]

shred (or bloodthirsty if you know how to use it and what its for) on the mk15
savage sweep on the mk2

rampage on both

[zinc talon]

yis

[elfin steppe]

You don't stun, but the special attack won't be interrupted by normal attacks, if you hit the DH in the head with special rev, like blow 50% health, you can actually three-shot her, I messed up two attacks but still killed her though.

[zinc talon]

fuckin impressive my dude

all that in the middle of a fight too

[spare talon]

yeah i wouldnt have been able to do that even with dclaw parries at that hp due to chip damage

those bitches attack fast and often, my stamina and dodge count cant handle it for long periods of time

[zinc talon]

the time the saw interrupt buys you should refill stamina somewhat and click back your dodge counter

that's yuuuuuge, bigly

okay I want to ask the room

everyone was kinda stumped why the mk 15 evis's cleave saw was on the light swing

and why it does arguably less damage sometimes than just swinging the sword

when speed and dps were taken into account

[vocal pulsar]

@royal vortex

[zinc talon]

what do you guys use the mk 15 rev light for

and also, what do yall use the push attack auto rev for

what are your situations you've found it really shine

for me at least, I've found the rev heavies are very easy to miss with and hit the wrong target

and then you're committed to sawing a poxwalker with a mauler in your face

so you have to back out of the whole thing

the rev saw light cleave attack lets me cleave the crowd, searching for the mauler

and it'll stick when it hits them, and cleave through everything befor them

it may be less damage, but it's a guaranteed saw on the target you want to hit with it

plus cleave damage besides

as for the push attack auto rev

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/freaking-out-concerned-confused-crazy-look-itysl-gif-17618875465987313259

[zinc talon]

I've found it's great for enemies that will survive one solid hit with you with a lil hp left over

[ripe quest]

Hold the ult button and it'll highlight an enemy

[zinc talon]

because their stagger afterwards lasts longer than a regular heavy attack

so you push stab, overhead, dead

ragers and gunners and trappers are who I use this on most often

[ripe quest]

1.8 cleave.

[zinc talon]

examples of what I mean

yall have any tips and tricks with the 15 like this?

or was I just Prometheus handing down fire from the gods to cavemen

I'm fine with either I just want to know what my statue and monument will describe me as

[spare talon]

FUCK the notif sound at the start of this video

i HATE YOU

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1069272869353312337/1097314792471011399/snapchat.gif

[zinc talon]

..?

[spare talon]

press play on that video

[zinc talon]

you sure it was on my end? lol

I hear nothing

[spare talon]

second one

[zinc talon]

lol oh

[spare talon]

i went insane trying to find where i was pinged

[zinc talon]

hahaha

[indigo ridge]

question as a new zealot; how does one build around the throwing knives?

[ripe quest]

It's hard to make them the center of a build but they inherit perks and blessings of the weapon that's currently held out.

[zinc talon]

wait they do?

just melee or both?

the last one you swap from?

[ripe quest]

I usually just pick them up if I'm running Boltgun, Flamer, or if I just want Second Wind

[zinc talon]

damn walk me through the process here

I really dislike throwing knives but I had no idea

maybe this'll change my view

which perks/blessings fit best on the knives, from weapon you swap from

[zinc talon]

oh derp that's right

[ripe quest]

you just like, throw them with the desired weapon out.

[zinc talon]

they throw with the weapon out ofc

brain fart

[ripe quest]

You can do it with any blitz that has a delayed effect as well

Here I use a stun to apply thunderous and skullcrusher

You can also do this with projectile weapons like the GG or the Rumbler on Ogryn

But there's some nuance, I haven't fully tested everything.

Throwing knives in particular are an entry to this tech where you can do some dumb combos

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/frank-reynolds-danny-devito-oh-my-god-i-get-it-its-always-sunny-in-philadelphia-gif-1719969854406009304

[hushed knoll]

Exhillious go to bedge

[zinc talon]

I've used stun grenades exclusively since pre-careers

[zinc talon]

you mean to tell me those things are applying my equipped weapon's debuffs?

[ripe quest]

It is currently 16 pm stan

[ripe quest]

mhm

[hushed knoll]

Go to bedge

[zinc talon]

WHAT ELSE IS BIG TIDE HIDING FROM US

[ripe quest]

yes stan I'll go to bed at 4 am right when I've woken stan

[hushed knoll]

What

[zinc talon]

that last berzerker dropped like my jaw did

[ripe quest]

I really enjoy fire grenades and throwing knives with showstopper

[zinc talon]

no wonder I haven't seen it, I run surgical/pinning fire on the bolter and inspiring/fan the flames or speedload on the flamer

it'll do melee weapons too though, incredible

[vocal pulsar]

@royal vortex

[zinc talon]

doesn't apply infernus, oh well I figured but a girl can dream

[coarse birch]

😔

[spare dome]

thats preposterous

[fleet zealot]

the lack fo going for headshots gives me ick

[spare dome]

nobody would go looking for scrappy doo

[fleet zealot]

goo dridance

[ripe quest]

It should be on a crit

Throwing knives can do it

[zinc talon]

I wanted low damage shots to highlight the debuff being there

[ripe quest]

easier on the lasguns

[fleet zealot]

oh i see

like lacerate

[zinc talon]

yiz

[ripe quest]

some specific blessings don't properly apply, like BM

[zinc talon]

yeah there's really not much in the way of ranged debuffs is there

but still, skullcrusher and thunderous, hell thunderstrike too at that point

it's applied, they're stunned, now they're never gonna not be knocked around

yughe

appreciate you tellin me ex

there's no way momentum counts

it does not

looks like hammers are the only weapon that can lay brittle and skullcrusher both?

I've been really, really torn on what to do with this one for its second slot

[elfin steppe]

So MK X is still unusable

what a waste potential.

[zinc talon]

yknow I have more fun and get in less trouble with the other one

[frozen kernel]

MkII laspistol any good?

[zinc talon]

I enjoy it a lot yeah

[frozen kernel]

I wanna try something now that I'm satisfied with revolver

[zinc talon]

don't use it bvery often but it's a good solid chuckle every now and then

[frozen kernel]

What blessings should I hunt for?

[zinc talon]

ghost is another good one

hit em in the head and you're done and you get like over a second of not being shot at

between the eyes is a nice one but less useful

you can pop someone in the face and then not get jostled by ranged fire

infernus is, there I guess

you're gonna be critting so much it does ramp up for sure

[frozen kernel]

Woah what is that skin lmao

That's wild

I can reroll this one around

[elfin steppe]

This kind of weapon is limited by a talent tree instead of blessings that why they are bad.

[zinc talon]

oh!

speaking of!

your zealot charge ultimate will drop carapace armor to flak and flak to unarmored yes okri we all know thank you

but what this means in practice

is that this las pistol can kill like three crushers in the span of one charge

[frozen kernel]

Flakiac still the go to perk combo for basically everything but the bolter?

[zinc talon]

mmm safe bet sure but what's the gun in question

[frozen kernel]

MkII laspistol

[zinc talon]

I do personally enjoy crit

because crit hits are so much more outsized damage than regulars

[frozen kernel]

Damage or chance?

[zinc talon]

chance, sorry

[frozen kernel]

Sall gucci, thanks for the tip

I'll give it a try

[zinc talon]

maniac is still a solid choice too

since they're resilient to it

it's hard to put down a charger lining you up in time for sure

and ragers cooperate and die about half the time, lil less, depending on headshot and crit %

still easier as a rule of thumb to let em close and engage with melee

but all else

reapers and gunners especially, excellent

you'll likely want to be using auto fire mod with it though

to save your finger from arthritis

plus, it feels more comfortable as an auto weapon

[ripe quest]

Both laspistols are pretty solid on Zel in general. Very fun. Has a weird feeling when you're hipfiring it though, doesn't feel right.

[dark lily]

Is there a consensus on a curio combination for zealot? or top 2 or 3?

[fleet zealot]

martyrdom= all wounds

otherwise mix of toughness and/or HP, toughness prefered but based on preference

[polar nexus]

you can go 2 tg 1w + 2 with martyr and you're still immortal

[fleet zealot]

perks being 5% tough, hp, and a resist perk

gunner, sniper, and general corruption perk being good choices imo

[fleet zealot]

i'm not taking 2 extra wounds for immortality i'm taking it for the dps bonus

[polar nexus]

you can still drop 3 wounds, have a good base dps

i mean, you if you do a martyr crit build, you're still comfy

[fleet zealot]

i meant the 2x extra wounds from curios

not the talent

but martyr crit isnt'r eally a thing

just cause blazing piety is giga busted for anything crit

[misty raven]

oh yea it is

its a dumb build but I have shred on evis mk15 and just keep swinging

[frozen kernel]

What should I reroll on this?

Prolly sustained fire and unarmored right?

[fleet zealot]

prob both blessings

niether are exceptionally good

on the agri revolver you want crucian+handcannon

[dark lily]

thanks for the recs. I'm not martyr specced right now

[zinc talon]

so just droppin this cuz I'm in the process of makin a couple 15'sd

63% is the # that will put you up over the next cleave integer

and since all integers round up to the next whole number, this I think is the ideal stat percentage

even at 80% you're only touching like 11.7 or so, so the only real value beyond having a stat cleave cleave stat above 63% would be for cleave blessings