would be nice vs like ragers though
#zealot-class
coarse birch
royal vortex
so many fucking problems come back down to
"you kill so many things this idea is pointless"
GRAAAAAAAAAAAA
ripe quest
A problem here is a lot of suggestions are solid but they require other suggestions to go through first
coarse birch
player power is also its own issue
tbf
like there are a lot of issues that would create other issues if we tried to fix current issues
ripe quest
like I think the horde clear vs horde cc attack thing would be nice if stagger wasn't on everything
royal vortex
A problem here is a lot of suggestions are solid but they require other suggesti...
the issue is caveating literally everything with "at least somewhat reverse the powercreep" is incredibly tedious
tidal berry
"you kill so many things this idea is pointless"
its a legit problem tho?
royal vortex
crab does put it the best in that atm horizontal sweeps are too rewarding and diagonals too little (in most cases)
tidal berry
a lot of the gameplay goes out the window when you can just nuke the gameplay before it happens
30 shotgunners spawn and you eat them in 0.5 seconds
south folio
at least in the case of overhead diagonals, i think they're doing fine
royal vortex
like I think the horde clear vs horde cc attack thing would be nice if stagger w...
stagger falloff needs to be significantly higher on bladed weapons
is a good starting point i feel
tidal berry
diagonals are just worse horizontals really
pretty much
royal vortex
vicious slice as an impact blessing could work
ripe quest
They could do a lot to form move identity.
royal vortex
oh absolutely
the entire move archetype framework they have tried and failed to use has a lot of potential for fixing some of the innate issues atm
like i think its vt2 halberd (dont quote me on this i dont fuckin play that game) has different combos u can use for horde dps vs being safe in horde
and this just isnt present to any degree in darktide
coarse birch
i wanna say melee as a whole
royal vortex
and it doesn't have to be on every weapon because that sounds tiring
coarse birch
was more in depth than in DT
royal vortex
tbf i think every gun in vt2 feels awful to shoot
coarse birch
rather than a "oh look something i can pad damage with"
royal vortex
so theres some tradeoffs there
tidal berry
tbf i think every gun in vt2 feels awful to shoot
thats cause they do feel awful
part of the design
its like a melee first game with guns as flavor
and thats ok
but DT doesnt have to be that either
royal vortex
i dont want to say fatshark was necessarily trying to appeal to the hypothetical "casual crowd" because this argument is made by people i find disagreeable and its a bit too inherently "fatshark is AWFUL"
but darktide does do some weird shit that makes melee combat way less involved
coarse birch
i do think theres a difference between making things accessible and near total lack of depthj
in the melee department
royal vortex
darktide does not actually lack depth in terms of what is happening when you are playing the game
because there's plenty of decisions being made
royal vortex
which is something i bring up because people will tend to look at the complaint that too many weapons are super simple and go "oh you're just mad the game isn't catering to you with 2,000 hours"
south folio
and people who conveniently ignore the multiple difficulties
royal vortex
but theres just a bunch of weapons where you legitimately cannot opt into any kind of learning
dawn wharf
I'm thinking I may start running Flesh Tearer over Precog if I'm running a crit build. It seems to really help it in horde clear for knives
coarse birch
gameplay is something i tend to complain less abotu minus like audio issues cause its the reason i play
royal vortex
and people who conveniently ignore the multiple difficulties
i mean for as long as fatshark has crafting materials the way they are i can't fault them too much
dawn wharf
Seems to be faster than haymaker too from what I'm seeing but it could be a mirage lol
south folio
true i suppose
tidal berry
making guns overpowered takes away meaning from more involved ones
ripe quest
I do find that there are a couple weapons where you can swing it for like 30 seconds to a minute and you'll have it down minimum 95%.
tidal berry
I could make an example to you know who
All the perception around ''bolter bad'' because plasma is grossly overperforming
royal vortex
making guns overpowered takes away meaning from more involved ones
the solution here is legit to just play what you want. there's at least a difference in the disparity between "meta" as in p-12 and meta as in p13/14+
because a bunch of weapons used to legit just be awful even before you started comparing
coarse birch
plasma is one of the few guns i actively dislike playing with
royal vortex
and now there's a lot more options that are anywhere from "fine" to "good/great but overshadowed"
fleet zealot
I'm thinking I may start running Flesh Tearer over Precog if I'm running a crit ...
wouldn't you jsut go executor
coarse birch
weapon balance is like
fleet zealot
flesh tearer really only helps vs groaners, not fully infested poxwalkers
coarse birch
not my biggest concern but it does have its issues
dawn wharf
Oh I haven't tried that one yet
coarse birch
a lot of the crazy player power we have rn it due to talent trees imo
dawn wharf
I'mma give that one a spin
ripe quest
All the perception around ''bolter bad'' because plasma is grossly overperformin...
I did actually find that Boltgun has a few scenarios over Plasma but they mostly boil down to Carapace and also whenever less than 3-4 elites are in a line.
royal vortex
part of the thing about plasma is just its ease of use
coarse birch
yeah
royal vortex
bullet magnetism and whatnot
ripe quest
It being a point and click adventure is pretty funny
coarse birch
venting is free
ripe quest
If they keep it as-is it should def drain health
royal vortex
bolter zealot is unironically kind of the feel i want for plasma on vet
because u run out of ammo very quickly
coarse birch
thats how it used to feel i swear
pre like
LMB is everything buff
which came with the venting buff i think
royal vortex
it should be a relatively unwieldy weapon that requires a bit of thought (more than mechanical skill) to use properly
coarse birch
it was a very deliberate weapon
and now its
point at what you want dead
shoot
get ammo back etc
royal vortex
the thing is also
no matter what u do
balancing is a constant process that will inevitably create more autopistols/bolters/etc
coarse birch
weapon balance is like mostly fine atm
imo
its not perfect but
i can live with it
royal vortex
which is to say
fleet zealot
north sedge
We need another vicious slice to happen, because that was so funny
coarse birch
https://streamable.com/8m5o4g
howd you regen ammo
royal vortex
sacrificing infant children
coarse birch
a worthy sacrifice
coarse birch
i was gonna say
fleet zealot
https://streamable.com/8m5o4g
hate how that bug is still in the game pretty sure
coarse birch
"i love this" -Josho before he realized what ogryn had become
ripe quest
I personally find that comparing between weapons the balancing is in a historically good spot. But I don't think it's a good spot for weapons to be in in general.
royal vortex
they fixed fire rounds
coarse birch
yeah weapon balance does not have a high bar to cross
if we are comparing between pre patch 13
fleet zealot
they fixed fire rounds
not that one
the audio/visual bug
where your gun just freezes and doesn't amke noise
royal vortex
oh yeah
fleet zealot
royal vortex
it was at least novel
fleet zealot
monstrosity spawning infront of me
royal vortex
p13 was fun
ripe quest
Like I think our current strength is too suffocating for FS to balance enemies around. You can develop strong enemy presence (hopefully they expand upon enemy types) in an environment where strong enemies aren't just wiped from existence.
royal vortex
abusing all the ridiculous shit
coarse birch
i will be so sad if we just get more enemy buffs
for the love of god nerf players
please
i beg
royal vortex
there was the phase where just doing anything u couldnt do before was fun because the game had infinitely less content
coarse birch
yeah p13 hit
ripe quest
rn I'm noticing that good players can DPS check most situations from existence, patrols and scary enemy compositions are typically a 15-30 second problem at most. The problem here is that if you look at any clip of someone in a team that isn't able to keep up, enemy density is absurd around them.
coarse birch
although i made it a bit worse for myself for a while
because i refused to use assail/void
or ogryn
at all
so i p much just played patch 12 psyker but with DS
lol
royal vortex
the game gets almost fkin nightmarish sometimes when ppl start dropping right after a patrol is aggro'd
latent summit
rn I'm noticing that good players can DPS check most situations from existence, ...
or when people get stuck doing something they're not built for/good at. like single-target/elite killers stuck on horde duty -- and then a crusher pack walks in on the rest of the team and they don't got a guy who can do that great
royal vortex
because u just have so much shit on u instantly
ripe quest
We're at this weird point where you can obliterate stuff before it's a problem but if you don't hit that threshold the enemy balancing catches up. Obv it's a tide game so this should be there, but it seems so outlier-ish rn.
latent summit
which is why im not too big a fan of, like, support psyker. cuz if they get stuck on anything else that isn't holding down smite, they tend to get downed
coarse birch
so long as the game doesnt meme you
misty raven
director situations is just very...bipolar
latent summit
also yeah, some histg is business as usual, and sometimes it's, like, the hordes/spec hordes DON'T STOP the whole mission lmao
coarse birch
if they ever make shotgunners a real enemy i will miss filling the entire kill feed with them
coarse birch
aint no way
royal vortex
what the hell
ripe quest
wdym
coarse birch
surely
south folio
i think that's just the numericui bug
coarse birch
we would have noticed
ripe quest
seems like 1 charge used
coarse birch
before this
coarse birch
seems like 1 charge used
look at dodge count
south folio
yeah i know
royal vortex
i know theres bugs where u can have ur entire dodge count spent immediately
(because of crab malding)
south folio
it's just that the dodge counter has had a bug where it shows the dodge count you had before they refreshed during certain instances that i've forgotten in some time
cuz of my boutique dodge counter
royal vortex
coarse birch
im checking it now lol
south folio
damn it really does use 2 dodges flat?
ripe quest
I knew that it put you in a weird 0x toughness damage state but that'd be weird
royal vortex
why the hell is chastising counting for an on-dodge proc
is it like fkin counting u as sliding around on the floor
south folio
you've always had ranged i-frames during chastise haven't you
ripe quest
might only be a live server thing
fleet zealot
Movement = dodge 
royal vortex
you've always had ranged i-frames during chastise haven't you
yes
royal vortex
i guess if its doing the same thing as ghost (which works if u proc it at the right time)
coarse birch
thats all i can think of
violet root
stunstorm nades would count towards the control crowds penance right? or am i restarded
coarse birch
unless it was just some really weird timing that lined up
south folio
hmm just testing in the meatgrinder chastise is just showing the dodge count that you were at before the most recent refresh
if you chastise right after joining the psykhanium, it stays at 0 as expected
royal vortex
what the hell
royal vortex
when i am clambering
dawn wharf
wouldn't you jsut go executor
Yeah Executor 9/10 now. Flesh Tearer can maybe be faster but the extra stagger from the power buff means you can actually hold them back and control them better
south folio
yeah since you get ranged i-frames during clambering so i assume the same sort of thing is happening during zealot's dash
royal vortex
damn
south folio
i only noticed it because it was being a pain in the ass when i was making the angle bracket dodge counter of mines
since it was very apparently showing low dodges whenever i clambered
and i tried a few ways to fix this before realizing that you were in a dodge state while clambering
and then i said fuck it i'm not spending even more time on this than i already did
royal vortex
😔
coarse birch
making anything in depth for DT seems like such a pain
south folio
hmmm i think clambering is also a melee dodge
coarse birch
like uses one or has the affects of them
coarse birch
so you get one dodge while clambering
or you are in the dodge state for all of the clamber
south folio
in a dodge state
south folio
a very neat feature
i wish we had some more interesting map geometry that made use of it
railings will have to do for now
north sedge
Greenhill zone when
visual stream
The heretics are not sending their best
royal vortex
north sedge
I once saw josho utilize his parkour skills to simply kickflip off the map
royal vortex
lmfao
coarse birch
damn joshos got it like that
royal vortex
im very good at the game
north sedge
Just randomly during the finale on consignment yard
south folio
why would the ledge do this to you
north sedge
I mean i watched it happen, you tried to get the 720 for the point multiplier
river needle
https://streamable.com/ex0mrh
Clip is funny, but I can't get over the fact that I'm in it lol
royal vortex
are u bunger
river needle
Oh, whoops, wrong message
royal vortex
😔
river needle
The heretics are not sending their best
Meant this one
obsidian ore
This is kinda funny ngl
visual stream
Meant this one
Which one were you?
obsidian ore
Made it for fun and picked up every impact talent
north sedge
Live footage of josho flying off
obsidian ore
light attacking crushers on ground is funny af
royal vortex
hey its joshos first hammer
royal vortex
https://tenor.com/view/skate-skaterxl-skateboarding-fall-fail-gif-13277736
i could not live in a consignment yard without trains
obsidian ore
heres my actual hammer
north sedge
i could not live in a consignment yard without trains
Stan found a way to
royal vortex
he's stronger than i am
visual stream
Nah you were pretty good iirc
coarse birch
also josho you were right about hating recon
i had a recon vet today who full died unironically 5 times
it was the match of all time
spare talon
Which one were you?
he was the bomber
coarse birch
i almost feel bad it must have just not been his day
royal vortex
recon players aren't just using a shitty weapon theyre very often also doing the most nonsensical shit ever
i had one dude who ate all the ammo and shot it at everything and still did no damage
u were farmin poxwalkers sir
where are those NUMBERS
coarse birch
i think he did 100k damage in 40 mins
royal vortex
jfc
ripe quest
i had a recon vet today who full died unironically 5 times
I had a double impact Thammer guy who died so many times I recall the total deaths being like 15
river needle
he was the bomber
Don't tell them that! Captain Wolfer is gonna make fun of me if they find out
tidal berry
recon players aren't just using a shitty weapon theyre very often also doing the...
recon user will 50/50 be either blisfully unaware tourist or someone too stubborn / self imposed challenge
south folio
i only used 520% ammo for my recon to do 3/5ths of the damage that josho was doing
ripe quest
u were farmin poxwalkers sir
It's crazy that there are ranged weapons good at farming poxwalkers despite how goofy it is and vets will pick the fucking 1 cleave laser gun
spare talon
recon players aren't just using a shitty weapon theyre very often also doing the...
i made a crit infernus one for vet
i dont think ive ever fucking dropped a weapon that fucking fast after a single mission
royal vortex
ive used a recon lasgun legitimately once
if u can find iceslow u can see his clips of me hating every second of it
tidal berry
its just.. disappointing
ripe quest
I used it back when you had unlimited ammo and could actually just hold m1 the whole mission
tidal berry
water gun
royal vortex
the entire gun is just designed the opposite to weapons i enjoy
coarse birch
I used it back when you had unlimited ammo and could actually just hold m1 the w...
that shit was so silly lol
royal vortex
its like shining a fuckin flashlight on enemies
ripe quest
The slowest one has some ok damage but all three suck balls against maniac iirc
coarse birch
i want to use it like an aggro las smg
royal vortex
YOU ARE ILLUMINATED
coarse birch
but it does not work like that
tidal berry
I hated it during the one patch it was good too
royal vortex
it just feels bad to shoot regardless of the damage
tidal berry
it was bad even when it was good
feels bad to shoot and you blind yourself with the projectile lmao
whatever I'm shooting at is covered with beams
ripe quest
For me I actually really like the feel of the slow and the genuine laser one but I do feel like they could give it some identity beyond that
tidal berry
mg12?
coarse birch
he means recon
royal vortex
recons as a whole just need some love
coarse birch
so mk2
tidal berry
oh wait the recon
coarse birch
i think
royal vortex
i have no suggestions as i just hate them
tidal berry
yeah sorry I dont know any recons beyond Vld
tidal berry
its the only one hadron didnt brick for me
spare talon
i have no suggestions as i just hate them
they should chain to 5 targets on hit like the kuva nukor
dawn wharf
It could just be inconsistency while I was attacking but Executor vs. Flesh Tearer felt really similar in damage when spammed on weakpoints across various horde chaffs. But the stagger pushed it over for me the most. Made it much easier to not get surrounded
ripe quest
There's like, constant firing one, really fast one, and nearly infantry lasgun speed one
coarse birch
i have been on a mk12 lasgun kick recently
i wanna use it on scriers psyker but suppression exists
so
tidal berry
It just lacks identity as a platform
coarse birch
ill just not
ripe quest
It could just be inconsistency while I was attacking but Executor vs. Flesh Tear...
If rending wasn't absurd I'd probs run Executor + Haymaker on the VI a lot.
coarse birch
i remember i used 1a with josho once and he watched me miss 20 shots cause i couldnt fuckin aim it
at a gunner pack
for .10 seconds
royal vortex
lmfao
dawn wharf
If rending wasn't absurd I'd probs run Executor + Haymaker on the VI a lot.
True that
spare talon
i honestly never had issues with most enemies with the knife cuz i went the loner route to save on talent points, and that meant grabbing +impact to the head, which is the one directly below twbs
unironically helped me mindlessly stagger maulers with just a dinky little knife with 0 effort
coarse birch
hol up
spare talon
punishing salvo is +50% weakspot damage
+50% of 2 damage is only 3
coarse birch
i was gonna say
ripe quest
Recons have lasgun finesse multipliers
tidal berry
wait they get stripped down?
don't, just don't
tidal berry
wait.. it does?
coarse birch
yeah its got good WS numbers last i knew
tidal berry
whuh
ripe quest
oh they have a shit salvo reset timer though
spare talon
but you still have to fire the full auto weapon in bursts, inherently lowering your overall damage output
so will that really be worth it
south folio
rip
tidal berry
maybe good compared to like, braced autos?
I dont think its iag levels
or maybe its because base numbers suck
ripe quest
Actually the Mk II has a good timer
coarse birch
isnt it like 1.5x or something
ripe quest
hmm
tidal berry
1.5x isn't good finesse lol
coarse birch
whats the finesse scaling on recon
ripe quest
On Flak the weakspot is 2.66x damage
tidal berry
well not for ranged at least
ripe quest
So specifically the Mk II
dawn wharf
i honestly never had issues with most enemies with the knife cuz i went the lone...
Aaah I was just testing around without talents again for fun. But there is a lot of free impact in the Talent tree too
spare talon
exhillious i swear to god
if you manage to theory craft your way into making a recon lasgun not dogshit
im gonna lose it
tidal berry
I don't see a scenario
where you can't just slap a gray iag instead
and do just as good if not miles better
spare talon
keyword not dogshit
i didnt say good
tidal berry
I can make that already
build melee vet
slap recon
never use it
''see guys its good''
ripe quest
wait since when were the salvo blessings shots 2 3 and 4
south folio
some whacky time ago that i forgor
ripe quest
hmm
tidal berry
keyword not dogshit
i didnt say good
its kinda tolerable if you steal all the ammo
just gotta make sure your melee is good at murking maniac
really good at it
ripe quest
exhillious i swear to god
if you manage to theory craft your way into making a r...
It's probs just gonna be like Boltgun where it's on paper better if you use it differently than intended.
tidal berry
which is fortunately most melees
south folio
it's just that shrimple
coarse birch
arco i tried BM mk6 psword
south folio
arco i tried BM mk6 psword
rip braincells
coarse birch
wtf is that
south folio
that's peak gameplay right there
polar nexus
TIL I could proce reciprocity with stripped down
south folio
510% ammo picked up
south folio
this is so sad
polar nexus
I am tempted to make a hit & run stripped down ciag
south folio
i had to unfortunately use my melee some few times
i really wanted a 0 melee damage run and no nadees but alas
coarse birch
how the might have fallen
polar nexus
Same
coarse birch
it's just that shrimple
outdamaged by bad class lmfao
fading vale
tfw SOMEONE uses 10 stacks of silver in valheim after me and someone else go on an arduous journey to get 450 of it
ripe quest
hmmm this might be an exe stance only kinda thing
coarse birch
is someone stan
fading vale
yes
coarse birch
how did i know
royal vortex
tfw SOMEONE uses 10 stacks of silver in valheim after me and someone else go on ...
did it cost that fkin much to upgrade his armor
south folio
is someone stan
however could you figure it out
fading vale
and maybe like 8 stacks
fading vale
he upgraded everything to level 4
median steeple
Omg
south folio
stan didn't get the hint the first time he upgraded his iron stuff
royal vortex
the great thing about stan is he just hears whatever he wants
fading vale
this is indeed the second occurrence
royal vortex
"don't upgrade your armor nobody else is"
tidal berry
tfw SOMEONE uses 10 stacks of silver in valheim after me and someone else go on ...
wtf do you even do with that much silver
royal vortex
"i thought you said other people WERE upgrading their armor"
tidal berry
there is barely anything to spend silver for
ripe quest
"don't upgrade your armor nobody else is"
fading vale
wtf do you even do with that much silver
we have like 10 players and not everyone has current or upgraded stuff
south folio
(he did)
tidal berry
wait, one player slurped all 10
fading vale
on max upgrades
tidal berry
holy hell lmao
coarse birch
am i the only person here who doesnt play valheim damn
south folio
i've only played it with them for a few hours so far
tidal berry
this reminds me of someone in our server, who joined, used all the iron and then quit the run
fading vale
I just started valheim for the first time
ripe quest
Valheim is a once a year thing for me, much like Terraria playthroughs.
coarse birch
ah ok
south folio
this reminds me of someone in our server, who joined, used all the iron and then...
chad
coarse birch
so im not that out of the loop
coarse birch
this reminds me of someone in our server, who joined, used all the iron and then...
i think it was arco
coarse birch
you said chad?????
south folio
TRUEEEEE
coarse birch
obvious self report
fading vale
Arcochad
south folio
so true
ripe quest
dude darktide is going to surpass my terraria hours at this rate
south folio
🥺
coarse birch
dont look at me like that
tidal berry
Valheim is a once a year thing for me, much like Terraria playthroughs.
vanilla gets a bit boring
coarse birch
youll make me feel bad
ripe quest
vanilla gets a bit boring
No. 
fading vale
I at least have the boats and sailing mod so it doesn't always take 10 years to go somewhere
tidal berry
but its easy to suck the fun out of it with too many QoL mods
coarse birch
i think DT is def my second most played game on steam
approaching #1
only siege is above it rn
sadly
fading vale
wow that is sad
ripe quest
I think I'll be dead or lose my steam account before darktide surpasses my gmod hours
coarse birch
wow that is sad
they were dark times
not really actually
i used to like siege
before it just irreversibly damaged my mental health
tidal berry
I at least have the boats and sailing mod so it doesn't always take 10 years to ...
I like to make the people who gobble metals sail
fading vale
I would rather have a shotgun in my mouth than play siege
ripe quest
before it just irreversibly damaged my mental health
Siege gave me a very "unique" political mindset for a bit. The pipeline was real.
coarse birch
i swear it was fun like 4/5 years agoi
ripe quest
Totally not an unhealthy community
south folio
I think I'll be dead or lose my steam account before darktide surpasses my gmod ...
cope
tidal berry
at this point I dont feel like learning kits of 70 different characters so I can soloq in what is now essentially a hero shooter
coarse birch
or it was my first online game and i just didnt know anything else at the time
fading vale
I don't really like slower paced low TTK shooters these days, especially ones with all the gimmicky shit
ripe quest
cope
Jokes on you I've spent more time hanging out with clone trooper larpers than you ever will
tidal berry
thats a based take
ripe quest
coarse birch
i prefer low ttk cause shooting someone in apex for 45 minutes so they can run away and heal is fucking infuriating
tidal berry
low TTK + slow pace is just rodent paradise
coarse birch
although i dont like battle royales in general
south folio
i no longer desire to play PvP games in general unless it's a deathmatch mode or something
fading vale
well there are tiers of TTK
south folio
long respawn times are the real devil for me
fading vale
and yes fuck BRs
ripe quest
i no longer desire to play PvP games in general unless it's a deathmatch mode or...
dude I am a 100% coop game enjoyer surrounded by friends who are PvP nuts.
ripe quest
And when it is a coop game it's Destiny of all things.
fading vale
my brain says no
tidal berry
I think most people used to be at some point
south folio
And when it *is* a coop game it's Destiny of all things.
DAMN
tidal berry
fps games are like a good way for people to avoid parenting after all
coarse birch
long respawn times are the real devil for me
man who has to wait 5+ minutes when he dies in his most played game
south folio
man who has to wait 5+ minutes when he dies in his most played game
be quiet you
tidal berry
I just play battlebit every once in a while now
fading vale
I certainly enjoyed my family life of gaming for thousands of hours
coarse birch
yeah pvp outside of fighting games have not been it for me recently
even FGs havent been hitting
tidal berry
I think I'd get back into it if there was a game worth playing
coarse birch
i think my mental doesnt let me play PVP well
fading vale
fighting games make me want to punch my screen to much and I'm omega biased against zoners
coarse birch
i dont mind zoners too much
some are dumb though
i mostly hate zoners with good boxing options
like bruh
south folio
fighting games seem like something that i'll prob get into later in my life
coarse birch
DBFZ is one i never played
tidal berry
fighting games seem like something that i'll prob get into later in my life
you only get worse at it over time so sooner the better lol
coarse birch
although i played exclusively smash for like 2 and half years so
i missed quite a few FGs
fading vale
I'm just not gonna get good enough/play enough to shut down zoners so it's fucking annoying
tidal berry
at least you're not playing mobas
coarse birch
I'm just not gonna get good enough/play enough to shut down zoners so it's fucki...
i played smash ult alone for 2500 something hours and i still cant fight some zoners properly
cause thats just how they are
and its very hard
ripe quest
DBFZ is one i never played
It's like, one of the more interesting games I've seen in that genre. Super faithful with nice visuals + pretty solid content available.
fading vale
I plated smash ultimate a decent bit
tidal berry
if you ever feel bad about your life decisions remember you could be playing mobas rn
ripe quest
coarse birch
and simon is one of the weaker zoners
but smash is a bad example
cause every zoner is designed like ass
fading vale
weaker at better play
coarse birch
and its also not meant to be comp
fading vale
but super fucking obnoxious when you aren't that good
well we did 1v1s and tournaments
fading vale
and he was getting into playing competitive
coarse birch
why zoners are ass
fading vale
ah
coarse birch
cause its literally not designed to be played that way
ripe quest
I only played rob and that was so funny at my skill tier
north sedge
Obligatory
coarse birch
i entered smash tournies for 2 years lol
fading vale
fucking Rob
coarse birch
im not against comp play at all
fading vale
Rob is ridiculous
coarse birch
rob is fucked up
ripe quest
Avg. gamer vs forward special
coarse birch
hes just dumb
ripe quest
🙂
fading vale
his nair
coarse birch
i love dying at 0 off a projectile to a true combo
im also glad his downtilt isnt frame 3 and minus like 2
fading vale
I liked greninja but damn it was hard to play really well
fading vale
I enjoy how Steve is banned from most shit now
coarse birch
steve is
coarse birch
one of the characters of all time
im not even sure i want him banned
but hes like
not great
coarse birch
i havent fought him in a while though ive taken a year off competing
yeah hes very game breaking
it just takes a lot for me to say ban a character
like smash 4 bayo wasnt even banned
or brawl mk but that was slightly region dependant
fading vale
the Leo Byleth era was a joy to watch
coarse birch
granted you could def argue all those chars should have been banned
yeah i enjoyed leo byleth
fading vale
I think Steve has some tech that should be bugfixed but isn't going to be which is the issue
coarse birch
some real shit would need to come out
fading vale
like ignoring hits or something
coarse birch
for him to be banned
that was found but didnt end up being used in tournament effectively
and therefor was fine
fading vale
I see
coarse birch
people did try to get him banned as soon as it came out
fading vale
I haven't kept up in the past year or so
fading vale
I just hate watching Steve and sonic mostly
coarse birch
it doesnt help theres no like commitee for smash
its all grassroots
so its hard to actually enforce a full ban
fading vale
Sonix during covid made me want to lose hope in humanity
coarse birch
some places might have him unbanned and then your fucked cause you dont know how to fight steve now
sonic is
something
smash is very good at designing characters fucking horribly
fading vale
add in a 12 frame delay and uh, fuck you
coarse birch
smash online is one of the reasons im at least taking a break from competing
the scene here is very small so i have to drive an hour and a half one way to play in my weekly
but it means to ever practice i need to do online
fading vale
bro the savior of melee is a legend
fading vale
yeah
dude implemented a whole ass online system with competitive and shit AND ROLLBACK
coarse birch
i would pay so much to get that for smash ult
please
although at this point im ready for smash 6
unless its ult but more characters lol
fading vale
sorry it's a party game so there might be more than 2 people
coarse birch
which i do not want in the slightest
fading vale
I mean it's good
coarse birch
from 2004
and also lies to you
and you cant actually practice like combos
cause the cpu cant DI
fading vale
well that's why we have mods
coarse birch
unless you set up a second controller and have someone DI or use your fuckin feet
whereas in other fighting games i can put myself in a replay to try different options in certain scenarios im not sure on
fading vale
Nintendo ain't ever going to commit to having stuff to facilitate competitive play
coarse birch
oh for sure not
im not expecting it
it just makes it much harder to learn in smash
but such is life in a game not intended for comp play
that is also the most popular comp fighting game
fading vale
ngl most other fighting games seem kind of sameish to me
all the street fighter or mk types
north sedge
There some basics but they feel pretty different generally
coarse birch
a lot of people like fighterZ
however its also fucked up so you get hit by like 4 hour long combos
for most of your health
which is common in anime fighters
fading vale
yeah
north sedge
Compounded by it being a tag fighter on top of that
coarse birch
althogh i think melty blood actually has lower damage
fading vale
meanwhile DT be like what if you equip a caxe and spam m1
coarse birch
i feel bad complaining about the good stuff to my friend cause he struggles with damnation on DT but shit like that actually bothers me so much
like
MAKE A FUCKING INTERESTING WEAPON IF YOUR GONNA MAKE IT THAT GOOD
coarse birch
if i have any idea of what is going on around me i will not lose
bar the game not memeing me
although said friend doesnt play DT anymore so ig it doesnt matter
fading vale
regular damnation feels like malice or something
coarse birch
yeah
i think playing with me might not have helped him honestly cause i was just able to clear so much of what we did with my eyes closed
that there was a big disparity between playing with randos and me
not even like a flex just like
rip
fading vale
yeah I mean, regular damnation is pretty soloable
coarse birch
yeah
i mean anything below histg honestly
you dont really die to not disablers
and there are half the amount on screen in below histg
fading vale
and then 75% of being disabled is some fucked up interaction or bug
coarse birch
actually i lied
poxbursters kill me the most
when they are dead silent
until they have already jumped
it happens so often i wonder if its a skill issue but ffs
royal vortex
and then 75% of being disabled is some fucked up interaction or bug
at least now when u fkin push a trapper it doesnt instantly fire again anyways
coarse birch
i swear i dont hear shit
fading vale
instant rapid beeping into boom
royal vortex
this is the second day in a row
someone has revived me into my death
and i was incapable of stopping them
fading vale
and i was incapable of stopping them
excuse me you had an F
coarse birch
i remember one time a trapper got staggered like 4 fucking times and then on the 5th shot i got staggered by a bomber
and got trapped
and i was not happy
royal vortex
excuse me you had an F
neither the burster nor sniper made any sound
it was not meant to be
south folio
outplayed
royal vortex
i took so much fkin damage that game
south folio
wombo comboed
royal vortex
o its not done processing
south folio
nice embed
south folio
OwO
royal vortex
south folio
shame
coarse birch
nice embed
south folio
rally formation
royal vortex
diamantine
south folio
pfah, so falls the psyker
royal vortex
hugot mode activated
coarse birch
wait 2 seconds
coarse birch
if you cent get me you cant get me
north sedge
https://streamable.com/5b2mgi
This one is not as good, because it doesn't have the fart sound discussion
south folio
damn that's some nice rotation on his body
coarse birch
there was not a single thought going through his head
royal vortex
he started tapfiring to conserve his ammo for when he reached the bottom of that pit
coarse birch
he thought he might spawn with more ammo
coarse birch
i have been scared on helbore now btw
tried it for the first time in forever yesterday and got a plasma vet
plasma just does what i wanted to do with helbore better
i do wanna try mk3 though i think the health buffs might not have been nice to the mk2
royal vortex
u find a barrel
and u kill him
and when he asks why u tell him
"u must be free of the meta"
(meat, team, mate)
coarse birch
should have done that tbh
now i am a 100% plasma hater
you are better than this plasma users
royal vortex
i get pub knife columnus vets who do less ranged damage than i do with a columnus brauto
royal vortex
yes
south folio
it does confuse me how players do so little ranged damage relative to the ammo they use
coarse birch
aim bad id hope
south folio
or even at all, regardless of ammo
i still did ~370/500 of the damage that josho did in that recon lasgun meme game i did
coarse birch
maybe your just the best darktide player ever
north sedge
Always remember though, AINL
coarse birch
assuming you are using your gun
its not like this game asks you to hit hard shots
enemies kinda stand still
or they stand still to do something after running
south folio
and i'm playing while standing in a wonky setup where my hand has no place to rest
and i'm aiming purely with my wrist
coarse birch
you fuckin stand
south folio
yeah
coarse birch
while playing
ripe quest
i still did ~370/500 of the damage that josho did in that recon lasgun meme game...
What was on the recon lasgun and what was the gist of the build
royal vortex
coarse birch
exhil are you still testing recon stuff
ripe quest
exhil are you still testing recon stuff
mayhap
coarse birch
arco stands with no mouse space, josho plays on 60hz and wifi, is the key to being good at darktide a funky setup
and arco has funny graphics
royal vortex
i am catching a fucking STRAY rn what the hell
south folio
i believe it was dumdum + deathspitter w/ flakiac and this tree
ripe quest
I'm also testing Psyker stuff but you know how theoretical buildcrafting goes by now
south folio
a more sane person might skip onslaught but i took it just cuz
royal vortex
I SAID YOU WERE GOOD
coarse birch
my bad josho
ripe quest
i believe it was dumdum + deathspitter w/ flakiac and this tree
I'm gonna be real I think Exe is huge w/ this one
ripe quest
the spread reduction is the key here
ripe quest
You're using the fastest firing one there right?
coarse birch
classic ogryn charge through nothing
south folio
ye
royal vortex
classic ogryn charge through nothing
into a burster
ripe quest
the idea favors the II or the VIIa
bitter anvil
What’s blessing i should replace new VId since I have locked stripped down?
ripe quest
so I gotta figure some stuff out
coarse birch
the idea favors the II or the VIIa
but my fire rate
ripe quest
but my fire rate
That's some Psyker kinetic flayer fire rate that's for a future season
coarse birch
tbf
royal vortex
sometimes it goes forwards
coarse birch
That's some Psyker kinetic flayer fire rate that's for a future season
hol up
coarse birch
i need the details
coarse birch
also what is this universe in which josho plays void
ripe quest
i need the details
you can basically proc kinetic flayer on-demand and EP buffs KF but doesn't drop stacks
only limit is the 15 second cooldown
coarse birch
so essentially EP BB every 15 seconds
south folio
the "only" is putting in a whole lot of wait weight
bitter anvil
It work with soul siphon for recon 6d
bitter anvil
When did we discuss psyker topic on zealot?
coarse birch
holy shit idk if ive ever seen exhil insult someone that he wasnt upset with
bitter anvil
this is psyker chat #2
Classdisphoria
south folio
yeah exhil how could you ever do that
coarse birch
pissbaby is a good name for arco though
royal vortex
u broke him
ripe quest
its a bad picture
royal vortex
u ruined my roomba dude what the fuck
bitter anvil
What kind this picture is this?
ripe quest
What kind this picture is this?
it's a gif
bitter anvil
Weird gif
ripe quest
It's a picture
south folio
jif
bitter anvil
Is not moving
south folio
the human eye can only see 1 frame in their entire lifetime
coarse birch
josho logic
south folio
keyboard smash jumpscare
bitter anvil
Should I invest recon 6 infernus crits?
coarse birch
somehow hits enter
at the right times
dont think i forgot about your reasoning for your monitor josho
royal vortex
Should I invest recon 6 infernus crits?
if u want to save it for a future balance patch
royal vortex
dont think i forgot about your reasoning for your monitor josho
thats good because i did
coarse birch
could have just said it was to save money
bitter anvil
if u want to save it for a future balance patch
I only have stripped down locked blessing on recon 6
royal vortex
recon isn't super blessing dependent
beyond it just being bad rn none of them are super impactful
coarse birch
HH is probably the best one
bitter anvil
I means I just want remake recon 6
Since stripped down is a locked blessing on my gun
And I didn’t use that gun much
Does stripped down proc on duck and dive?
royal vortex
yeah
bitter anvil
Hmmmm maybe that gun for other loadout then
coarse birch
also ive debated running flamer again
now that i know how to deal with ranged better
although iirc josho is a flamer hater so maybe not with him
sturdy owl
recon isn't super blessing dependent
Well it is, you need to scrape as much performance as you can out of the things. HH is undoubtedly the best and mandatory. Dumdum would be great if their baseline performance wasn't terrible. Infernus is infernus.
Those are your only options because the rest are shit and you need the damage.
sturdy owl
steep flame
ripe quest
HiInt Vent Purge
2 level <30 vets with blue knives
placid lily
Skissue
placid fiber
Know what's great? Playing games where aiming guns is the primary way you fight, when you have poor aim...
My friend got me to get Tom Clancy's The Division 2 so we could play together sometime... playing shooting games is really annoying, due to how often my poor aim can make me miss really easy shots :/
That being said... I seem to do best with the rifles in that game >.>'
south folio
>HiInt Vent Purge
>2 level <30 vets with blue knives
i had two knife users that had lacerate and either haymayker or smackdown
truly a banger when the entire team kept on dying
hazy eagle
is the mk6 shotty any good on zealot because this thing is looking at me with sexual intent
polar nexus
Yeah it's good
No respite + fire frenzy / deathspitter / full bore / scattershot is what you're looking for
hazy eagle
Cheers!
coarse birch
i had two knife users that had lacerate and either haymayker or smackdown
ive heard there is an influx of knife users on vet
i wonder if this has to do with joshos bleedinator build
south folio
dear god
ripe quest
i wonder if this has to do with joshos bleedinator build
No I think it's just tanner stuff
It's been rejected a touch in vet chat but I've seen some of his takes get by a couple times
spare talon
The darktide subreddit just discovered you can parry ragers and they're going WOAaaaoooohhhhhWHATT??
As if they didn't know what "parry" meant in the first place
ripe quest
The darktide subreddit just discovered you can parry ragers and they're going WO...
I'm starting to realize why people like crab knew that the throwing knife stuff wasn't super known about
spare talon
I've heard that tanner name thrown around as like a tainted name but I still don't know exactly why other than nondescript bad opinions
spare talon
I'm starting to realize why people like crab knew that the throwing knife stuff ...
Like what
Inheriting weapon blessings?
coarse birch
No I think it's just tanner stuff
ah
that does make sense
i was mostly joking about joshos bleed build anyway
although it would be really funny
polar nexus
The darktide subreddit just discovered you can parry ragers and they're going WO...
WHHAAATTT??
spare talon
I would never have known about this crazy interaction with using a weapons feature for the reason it's useful
My mind is blown
ripe quest
the blessing and talent interactions with blitzes, specifically delayed grenades and stuff like assail and throwing knives
spare talon
I mean lots of people here don't know about the armor downgrade on chastise
ripe quest
That's another one yeah
I still see misinfo on rending and how the cap and 1/4th thresholds work too
spare talon
I didn't learn about it until like 100 hours into zealot, even with me talking here
polar nexus
I would never have known about this crazy interaction with using a weapons featu...
can you show them the clip wh\ere you're doing john wicktide in room full of elites?
spare talon
can you show them the clip wh\ere you're doing john wicktide in room full of eli...
Which one
polar nexus
whatever, all are very good
because, this, lol
i took a claw and i don't have a way to deal with a crusher whine whine
don't play above heresy mate
spare talon
polar nexus
well, the one with 20 ragers?
spare talon
The one where I'm using the agrip revolver at the end of hab warren?
Or this one from last night
polar nexus
last night
coarse birch
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/Xb3qCNEmUy
i saw that and thought i was missing something
like
yes that is the use of the special
spare talon
i saw that and thought i was missing something
No they just forget that the parry exists
I had someone say "nice work lestrade, putting in tons of work with the heavy sword" at the end of a game once
I blew that dudes mind when I told him the truth
spare talon
I really wish a different song was playing during this cuz this is like one of the most 2012 gamer montage songs I have on my playlist and it makes the clip seem kinda cringe to me
coarse birch
spare talon
I have to edit that into the video now
It must be done
Make it do a full spin ever 10 seconds too
coarse birch
that would fit the 2012 theme you mentioned
hazy eagle
what is the dump stat on plasma gun?
rigid trellis
brain cells
polar nexus
so true
long sluice
are either of these useful on a devils claw?
spice wren
Is this
worth anything?
I know D kinda low.
Sire Melk has it in stock
I've got like 20k melk materials dude never has anything for me.
ember yew
this is basically top tier crusher for free then
spice wren
so buy it?
ember yew
ye
spice wren
k lemme swap back to my zealot
ember yew
change both perks to whatever you hate the most, you can adjust it later anyway
like flak/unyelding or flak/maniac, w/e
coarse birch
are either of these useful on a devils claw?
No
rigid trellis
are either of these useful on a devils claw?
no not really
long sluice
😦 another bricked 379
polar nexus
k lemme swap back to my zealot
That's the last crusher you'll ever buy, craft and use.
Don't forget to read the pinned guide about crushers
ember yew
Or not? Salvageable?
Shred to headtaker and sprint to flak and its pretty good
loud hearth
Bromentum IV came in clutch
yup
earnest cave
Alright, need y'alls opinions on chain axes.
I'm using the Igrus Mk XV HE, and I like this thing, but I wanna try something new. Suggestions?
zealous basin
polar nexus
I'm using the Igrus Mk XV HE, and I like this thing, but I wanna try something n...
crusher
earnest cave
This is an old one that I have
Worth bringing into damnation or go fishing with hauldren
south wren
beat this 💀
ember yew
Worth bringing into damnation or go fishing with hauldren
if you dont have resources:
Sprint to Flak
Trauma to Skullcrusher and its high class stuff