zealot-class

[spare talon]

they said it would be for vets tho right? krak grenade with grenade regen?

[tidal berry]

yeah I was about to suggest krak

[spare talon]

yeah you got all your bases covered then

[tidal berry]

I do mine with damage aura and kraks and then I take shock trooper deadshot

the new heavy laspistol on veteran can effortlessly do like 1000 dps to crushers still

[ornate bone]

What are some good blessings I should look out for ironhelm ml4 thunder

[tidal berry]

which is not great but respectable

[ornate bone]

I have thrust

[spare talon]

basic ranged with the laspistol, basic/elite melee and ez boss survivability with the dclaw, and carapace with krak

[ripe quest]

Thrust + Slaught or Headtaker.

[ornate bone]

I got slaughter lol

I still can’t seem to one shot bosses

[spare talon]

with or without a specific build

[ornate bone]

I think my builds ass

My talents

[spare talon]

thrust is the one that matters for bosses though

[ripe quest]

Ironhelm does less special damage than the Crucis for single target.

[spare talon]

if you dont have that, youre not one shotting any bosses

[ripe quest]

Also you need a specific build for boss 1 shots.

[tidal berry]

well specifics are that you need to build for crits and have some extra rending to juice it up

[ripe quest]

Generally you're looking at 2-4 shots depending on the boss.

[ornate bone]

Okay

So crucis is better for bosses?

[rigid trellis]

yeah

[placid hedge]

Does Thrust 4 hit any breakpoints vs Thrust 3 on Ironhelm? I cant get Thrust 4 man

[ornate bone]

And I still should look for thrust and slaughter on the crucis?

[placid hedge]

So many hammers

[ripe quest]

It'll hit harder yeah. Ironhelm has the cleave but the single target part of the special does 20% less on H1 and H2 and 10% less on H3

[ornate bone]

Ty Ty

Good advice. Whats the dump stat? 🤔

[ripe quest]

Defences.

[ornate bone]

Gotcha

And damage would be 80 right?

[tidal berry]

Mk IV has been my favourite weapon on vet for a while

[ornate bone]

I only have thrust 3 :/

[rigid trellis]

ideally damage, first target and pen would be as high as possible

[tidal berry]

though I think its more enjoyable on zealot because of fury of the faithful

[ripe quest]

Yeah it's really fun, been using it for a bit over half a year.

Sad to see it still has some of it's core problems.

[ornate bone]

Is Columnus good for zealot? 🤔

[tidal berry]

I still think chain weapons in general need a bit of work

[ripe quest]

The IAG is, yes.

The Brauto is ok but it only has a small niche over the other two.

[placid hedge]

I love chain axe but it still yanks the camera randomly at times and can get ya killed

[tidal berry]

happens a lot less post rework but yea

sometimes it still does that

[placid hedge]

Other than that it seems to rip I love the IV

[coarse birch]

columnus brauto my beloved

[tidal berry]

cause it locks onto something at an odd angle

[rigid trellis]

trying to land a rev attack on a beast of nurgles weak spot can be a real pain

[misty mason]

Columnus iag basically has one or two bullets worth of recoil and is then a laser gun

[tidal berry]

BoN is just.. horrible design

[ripe quest]

Blocks cover all angles, if you get jerked by the revs just block and/or dodge.

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/running-ferret-playing-mustelid-circle-gif-25962988

[ripe quest]

It helps a ton.

[ornate bone]

What’s the dump stat for cmkv and the main stats🤔

[fleet zealot]

BoN is great and I won't have anyone talk bad about the space aids puppy

[tidal berry]

It does add value to my helbore build though

[ripe quest]

On the XII it's not too bad but the IV has shit hitboxes on the heavies + BoN is weird in general.

[loud hearth]

Good? Bad? Salvageable?

[fleet zealot]

cmkv?

[fleet zealot]

meh

oka when salvaged by hadron bricked it, only good thing is decap

[ornate bone]

Columnus mk v

[ripe quest]

Good base stats, bad everything else. Scrap it for Decapitator T4 in case it gets a buff or becomes meta.

[coarse birch]

chaxeferret did stan butcher your name that bad

[ripe quest]

Just mobility.

[coarse birch]

or is this of your choice

[fleet zealot]

actually

it was cica

[ripe quest]

Heglo = Hello I presume

[coarse birch]

ah

i see it noiw

[ripe quest]

It does sound like a cica moment

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-nonsense-anime-catgirl-gif-22850739

[ripe quest]

Also I'm benchmarking Plasma vs. Boltgun to finalize some stuff and holy shit there isn't a single bit of information that is correct about the stats

Even BP Calc has issues with it

[coarse birch]

i believe that

does like

splash damage fuck with it really hard

or w/e you wanna call the bolter rounds

[ripe quest]

I'm talking about Plasma

[coarse birch]

oh just plasma

[ripe quest]

Boltgun is fairly ok in the stats category

[coarse birch]

i still believe that

[copper hawk]

Heglo

[coarse birch]

for a while 80% charge rate wasnt even the best

[tidal berry]

Henlo

[coarse birch]

you wanted like 72

[ripe quest]

I love that damage will vary on the uncharged by like a small amount because the game decides you charge a slight bit less for no reason

[coarse birch]

on the uncharged?

[ripe quest]

yeah

It simulates charging to ~50%

[tidal berry]

I have a slight suspicion this might be the case for helbores but I can't prove it

[coarse birch]

ah

i love darktide

[ornate bone]

Why are some good traits for curios when going zealot 🤔

[coarse birch]

health/toughness/gunner resist x3

if you mean main perks health/toughness

[tidal berry]

slap gunner resist on everything

its busted

[coarse birch]

wounds if you are running martyr

[rigid trellis]

depending on what weapon/combos you use stam regen can also be quite handy

[ornate bone]

Ty Ty 😎

[ripe quest]

Oh also yoshi Gets Hot! on the plasma has an unlisted crit damage bonus

very cool

[ornate bone]

I’m using this

But ermmm I wanna one shot bosses so ima go the other hammer

What should I fix about this tho

The perkss

[spare talon]

you want unyielding for bosses

[rigid trellis]

block efficiency to unyielding

[ornate bone]

Gotcha

Is +3 stamina worth slapping on?

Yall are awesome btw sorry for all the questions lol

[rigid trellis]

extra stamina isn't really needed on zealot

[coarse birch]

i wouldnt run extra stam on zealot

i really only use it on deadshot vet

[spare talon]

stamina regen however can be useful if you use it a lot or have stamina issues for whatever reason

[ornate bone]

Cool I’ll keep that in mind

[coarse birch]

i used it on achyls axe cause your doing PA all the time

thats all i can think of

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/w3u93l people actually play voidstrike

[ripe quest]

+Stamina is often useless if you're good at managing resources, but early on it's not a terrible idea to use 1 +3 stam curio if you're having issues with stamina cost.

[spare talon]

i use it for crusher push attacks and claw parrying

[royal vortex]

i cant believe this

[coarse birch]

its so fucking dumb

[rigid trellis]

I use all stam regen with mk2 evis since I use the push attack for horde clearing

[coarse birch]

there is a reason i didnt use it past patch 13

[royal vortex]

abnormally high number of times where im shooting at shit i cant see and a burster detonation just goes off

[coarse birch]

and then i tried it for the first time and i was like

yup this is dumb

[tidal berry]

play is a strong word

[royal vortex]

i killed everything (including an unethical ogryn player)

[ripe quest]

I remember learning how to quell cancel and like 5 days later they made the base weapon shoot faster than quell cancel voidstrike

[coarse birch]

what is that red number above peril

crit chance?

[royal vortex]

crit chance

[coarse birch]

ok

[royal vortex]

the fkin mod doesnt work half the time

[coarse birch]

figured when it went up with peril

[royal vortex]

mankar linked it to me today and i was like

i wonder if bloodletting is active on bp hsword often enough to matter

[ripe quest]

Josho you need to send me that rn

[royal vortex]

and it doesnt fkin track bloodletting crit chance

[ripe quest]

🙏

[coarse birch]

exhil needs more shit on screen

[ripe quest]

No I want to make testing less shit

[royal vortex]

me turn down graphics to add shitty ui elements

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/279?tab=files its inconsistent as fuck

[coarse birch]

wait why did i think crit chance reset when you crit

[royal vortex]

take every number with a grain of salt

[coarse birch]

tf game am i used to

[ripe quest]

If I want an exact crit chance number I have to set up buffs and open my inventory to look at the stats mod

[ripe quest]

I can fix them I got this

[royal vortex]

the number bugs out if u swap from a higher crit chance weapon to a lower one or back

[fleet zealot]

speak of the devil

[royal vortex]

i dont like it very much

[ripe quest]

Don't worry when I made the % a bar it'll work totally fine

[spare talon]

that would actually be so useful if it worked

[coarse birch]

that shit is probably hard to keep track of like that

so im not shocked it freaks out when you swap weapons

[ripe quest]

Judging by the singular post on the mod page it probs breaks on anything that has a crit bonus stat or if you aim

[coarse birch]

rip deadshot

or surgical

[royal vortex]

u can also still stagger a plogryn with voidstrike

[coarse birch]

yeah

i think you cant full stunlock

[royal vortex]

the solution

bring 3 voidstrikes

[coarse birch]

i once got bon to spit out mankar with a voidstrike

which confirmed the stagger does in fact work

[heavy arch]

shoulda kept him in there

[coarse birch]

mankar has done me no wrong

[ripe quest]

SC is about to pop off with this one

[misty mason]

Mankar? What about mantruck?

[spare talon]

just lived in a room with 20 ragers, a bulwark, a trapper, and 2 maulers as the last alive

i have a video too, when i finish this mission

parry is life

[royal vortex]

im getting fucking sick of the game moving dead players to the next rescue point the moment you get to them

im about to start just fkin suiciding every time im the last one up

[spare talon]

are you on hab dreyko

[royal vortex]

it happens on so many different maps

[coarse birch]

like moving players waiting to be rescued

idk if ive seen that

or i just didnt notice it

[royal vortex]

ive witnessed it many times

or spawning players at the start of the map when ur at the end

[coarse birch]

i have seen that

or i spawn in the room behind they cant get to

for no reason

[ornate bone]

Besides gunners what else damage resist should I have

[coarse birch]

none

maybe snipers

if you struggle with them

[spare talon]

you want more toughness or health, whichever youre stacking with curios

or both

if you wanna give up 1 extra perk

[coarse birch]

but yeah health/toughness will be better

[spare talon]

i run gunner/tough/stam regen

remember that the percents are multiplicitive from each other, so the more of one you have, the better each new one becomes, since its multiplying a larger value

for hp and toughness

the inverse is true for resistances

iirc 3x 20% gunner resist is actually 52% in the end

[woeful oyster]

Hey uh...

Is this good?

[rigid trellis]

never seen a worse combat axe in all my life

[spare talon]

very, if you can get behind its moveset

[woeful oyster]

I'm trolling

[spare talon]

lots of people hate that axe with a passion tho

[heavy arch]

i feel like it's more ofa dislike

[woeful oyster]

Those people have brain damage

[heavy arch]

than hate

now knife, that's hate

[spare talon]

ngl i do too
its movesets fuckign weird

[royal vortex]

hp and toughness perks stack additively

the same is true of percentage increases on the tree for w/e reason

10% health travel nodes stack additively with health curios/perks

[gaunt roost]

how do i get shocking stuff

feels like my teammates always kill them before i can

[spare talon]

what difficulty are you doing it in

[gaunt roost]

auric damnation

[spare talon]

are you using a flamer?

[gaunt roost]

that would probably make it easier

ty

[spare talon]

paired with zealot brained music playing

[hollow ember]

damn that is hot, u even made someone leave with that gameplay

he gave up on the game

[tropic harbor]

So... crusher really is good now? Seems good

[ripe quest]

Yeah it's great rn.

So great some nerd made a whole guide for it.

[spare talon]

crusher saved my marriage
crusher reduced my morgage
crusher made my kids love me again
crusher solved world hunger
crusher brought about world peace

[royal vortex]

im going to hide a speaker under your floorboards and play unsettling stan quotes when you try to sleep

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-moment-rat-gif-22816005

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/pii2ws

this dude was just not gonna deal with it

[ornate bone]

Strongest deaf reject vs weakest pox burster

[ripe quest]

@hushed knoll It is 5pm rn

https://tenor.com/view/king-crimson-gif-22172546

[opal star]

guess the gun

[zealous basin]

get flipped morons

[spare talon]

thats fucking gold

[copper hawk]

Sludge

[spare talon]

would you say that crit chance thing is worth using tho, even tho you said its inconsistent?

[royal vortex]

it'll give you a vague idea

so if you wanna benchmark something like warp nexus it helps a bit to understand whats happening under the hood

but it doesnt seem to work on certain talents like scourge from what i can tell

[spare talon]

cringe

cuz id be using it basically for that

scourge, piety, and shred

[royal vortex]

its not a super important stat that changes ur gameplay so its w/e

[spare talon]

but i NEED more information on my screen

the more information i have covering my screen the better my skills are

[tropic harbor]

Dang I can't get over how good crusher is

[spare talon]

similar to how paid skins improve your skills

[tropic harbor]

I can be a dumbass but live and kill everything with it

[royal vortex]

crusher's p cool yeah

[tropic harbor]

It's like I can be good with it

[royal vortex]

god bless crab for what he did to it

[coarse birch]

Wym special l1 stick was awesome

[royal vortex]

all of the 4 people who prefered pre patch 14 crusher should have their game forcibly uninstalled smh

[coarse birch]

I think i saw it used once

[sharp haven]

finally, I have flechette, time for the meme kantrael crit build

[spare talon]

how could you say that about smite on a stick
what did it ever do to you

[royal vortex]

everything

smite is somehow even less fun because it just invalidates any other form of crowd control

[zealous basin]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-sad-gif-25308627

[copper hawk]

Flip

[royal vortex]

ive never wanted to leave a match more than when i bring a crusher and a smite psyker just holds everything in place

[zealous basin]

hi

[copper hawk]

What do u think of the varangian guard

[spare talon]

i love playing with a smite psyker becaue it just makes my dclaw just a bad heavy sword the entire game

[zealous basin]

im not sure yet

[copper hawk]

I think she's undertuned

[zealous basin]

im kind of mid on them

shes loud af

[spare talon]

its so fun when i cant do the most fun part of the weapons identity

[copper hawk]

Yah

She needs hyper armor

[zealous basin]

i think there are some neat mechanics there

but ya lil buff

[copper hawk]

And her light attack from her full block needs to be unblockable

[zealous basin]

sure

[royal vortex]

what if we design an entire stagger system and give enemies attacks that u can gasp react to

and then just make a button that turns enemies off

[copper hawk]

I wish she had a way 2 chain link from her light finisherz..

[zealous basin]

can u not bash out of light finisher to chain?

idk i only played her a little in training

[royal vortex]

its legit super aggravating when a horde takes longer to kill because a smite psyker is holding them in place spread out

[spare talon]

i will admit
it gives me great pleasure when a smite psyker gets hit from behind and instantly crumples like a house of cards because they werent expecting to have to fight any enemies

[royal vortex]

and you have to walk at them

[copper hawk]

Nop

[royal vortex]

the more they smite the less likely i am to do anything to help them

[zealous basin]

oh huh

[copper hawk]

She has no chainlink from a light finisher

[zealous basin]

whack

[copper hawk]

It just ends

[zealous basin]

thats quite whack

[copper hawk]

No dodge cancel recoveries or anything

[median steeple]

I LOVE VARANGIAN GUARD

[zealous basin]

i hate resetting to raw ass neutral so much

it hurts me

[coarse birch]

My dissapointment when we got a cool warp lightning spell and its the worst thing to use ever

[zealous basin]

idk i play shaolin :3

[copper hawk]

Zame

Meowlin

[zealous basin]

[royal vortex]

fatshark has made 3 things i find not totally unsatisfying to use for psyker

voidstrike trauma and assail

and void is just a plasma gun

but like

weirder

[coarse birch]

As much as i want assail nerfed it carries psyker

Like assail/dd/psyker melee

Are why its my main class

[buoyant pecan]

is asail still crazy?

thought they toned it down already

[coarse birch]

Yeah

[royal vortex]

psyker is comically crippled by fatshark not giving them more "heavy" melee options

[coarse birch]

Its p much the same

[royal vortex]

i want a fkin force halberd

[coarse birch]

I like trauma too but its all i used pre patch 13

So a little burnt out on it

Surge is fun but underwhelming

[royal vortex]

pre-13 psyker i just hated outright

because none of the mechanics felt interesting

right side psyker is tolerable

ill play left side for easy contracts and thats about it

[coarse birch]

I played psyker pre patch 13 for the same reason i do now tbh

I liked illisi/demios

Now i like those 2 + ds

And i can use a gun or w/e if i have assail

Pre patch gunker was just ap p much

[north sedge]

I play psyker for the articles

[royal vortex]

i am so glad the game isnt like that anymore

[coarse birch]

and i refused to use AP

so i just

didnt play gunker

it was all illisi/trauma or deimos/void

[royal vortex]

my problem was most of the "off-meta" weapons would legit just feel like dogshit

me hitting people with my fkin cardboard eviscerator

that can't one shot muties

[coarse birch]

i think the only gun i ran on zealot back then was agri brauto

although i didnt play much zealot back then

on vet i think i ran helbore/mk12/plasma

[royal vortex]

kant shotgun + crucis was the middleground between not being braindead overpowered and not being totally useless

[coarse birch]

occasionally bolter if i felt like cheating

i was bad and couldnt deal with range without a ranged gun so i never tried kant

[royal vortex]

back when there werent swarms of 20 ragers that u just couldnt melee unless u had the weapon that makes u ask why the game spawns non-ogryn elites anyways

[coarse birch]

i think i played a ton of agri shotgun back then

actually

yeah

i remember that now

[buoyant pecan]

agri shotgun should have just been a shotgun with a melee attack special and slugs for the entire magazine

[coarse birch]

yeah i agree mostly cause its so rare i use the primary

special should have been something else

[royal vortex]

ppl wouldnt be ready for the amount of stupid shit i would do with the stagger if it was just loaded with slugs

[coarse birch]

ok maybe in a world where manstopper doesnt work the way it does on it

or even like a little toned down slugs

[buoyant pecan]

id also like specials where we do something not directly tied to the weapon. Like maybe add a sword and pistol melee combo, where the speciial is, we blast the karker with the pistol

[coarse birch]

if its 12 of them per uh

tf is a shotgun mag called

[royal vortex]

they really just need to make its falloff better and tune down the stagger over distance a lil

[buoyant pecan]

id say keep em the same and make it a 4 barreled heavy shotgun with a slower reload

[royal vortex]

the gun will just put a guy on its ass at like 30 meters but not kill him

and u can drop ppl behind cover so ur just sittin there waiting for the dude to get up so you can hope he dies this shot

[coarse birch]

just give me doom super shotgun tbh

[buoyant pecan]

actually i dont use agri so maybe the special needs tuning

[coarse birch]

let me hook to a dude and fuckin blast him

the special is good but if it wasnt it would be kinda useless

cause like

kant shotgun primary is fine over range anyway

same with lawby

[royal vortex]

i swear to god something fucking weird happens with the slug when u ads

i hate the agri sights

[coarse birch]

i swear i havent had an issue with it

[north sedge]

Vt2 style

[coarse birch]

maybe i just havent played it recently enough

[royal vortex]

it became more tolerable when i had weapon customization

[coarse birch]

last time i played agri wep customization messed with it so i couldnt load slugs

so uh

[royal vortex]

lmao

[coarse birch]

cant speak on that end

[royal vortex]

the agri shotgun just needs to be tuned to be better at longer distances

it has no fkin cleave at all basically which is a huge downside if ur used to the other two shotguns

and the falloff performance doesnt feel good enough to justify it

[coarse birch]

its base cleave should probably be better

like you telling me my slug that just one tapped a reaper also cant go through 2 gunners

[royal vortex]

i would way rather buff it in a way that distinguishes it

and i dont want to make the slug shells similar to a revolver at all

[coarse birch]

yeah that would be best

although at some point you run out of ways to not cross shit a little bit

[north sedge]

Make it shoot plasma

[royal vortex]

i mean the slug as it is rn is conceptually different

because it's a high stagger shot with better falloff performance

and higher base damage

but its like u dont shoot a revolver to open a bulwark

u can do stuff to the agri to make it Cooler™️ without bringing it closer in performance to the other shotguns

although at some point with weapons u get a handful of variants of different families that play similar to each other just cuz thats how its gonna be

[coarse birch]

yeah

[copper hawk]

Plamma

[coarse birch]

you can only distinguish so many weapons that are meant to be in the same family

[royal vortex]

the overlap between the agri iag a v7 and agri shotgun is REAL

(kind of)

[copper hawk]

I wish dt had adaptive meowsic

[oak nymph]

So cooldown reduction on crit with bleed knife and chorus is really fun

shoulda tried this out sooner

[royal vortex]

get a chainsword/evis/dclaw with shred and u will find it a lot funnier

[oak nymph]

Very fair

[sharp haven]

OK so I finally got flechette and ran a kantrael with that and scattershot w a crit build

I know it's more meme but is there a way to make it work? am I missing something?

like it does big damage

[median steeple]

fo4 looking ahhh gun

[sharp haven]

and wrecks hordes

[naive jungle]

im suprised everyone suggests the old evis over the new

the new one is so much more comfy

i dont wanna fuck around timing heavy attacks

[copper hawk]

slurp !

[cerulean moth]

imma be real i kinda fuck with that weapon customisation

It looks arlight

[ripe quest]

It's already got the best damage falloff of the shotguns, it's like, better than IAGs and Brautos.

[cerulean moth]

YOU fell off

[ripe quest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1103639286743576596/1151893709613437059/A544DDBC-EFAB-449A-BE66-24C259D0A299-1.gif

[cerulean moth]

hehehhe

[ivory marlin]

Hi gamers

[ripe quest]

Hi gale

how be

[ivory marlin]

My head hurts a bit

Hby

[ripe quest]

is your brain properly screwed in and seated?

[ivory marlin]

Yeah i just haven’t had much water today and my bgl is high

[ripe quest]

I am doing things that involve an unhealthy amount of darktide rn

also prepping to move

[wraith helm]

Hows crit on the heavy sword?

[spare talon]

in what regard

[wraith helm]

with a crit build. Like having shred and what not on a mk 9 heavy

[spare talon]

heavy swords dont roll shred

[wraith helm]

They dont? thought they did

sadge

[spare talon]

devils claws do

[ripe quest]

Hsword has ok finesse values for it but it's not as compatible as something like a Chainsword, Evis, or DClaw.

[spare talon]

due to shred being on them

[ripe quest]

It's really nice to have +Cleave blessings on the crit weapon in question and Hsword doesn't like running them.

[ivory marlin]

Hi cole

I currently have 40 plat

Im no longer 90platpoor

Im 50platpoor now

[wraith helm]

Im just content starved, im just thinking of builds to try

[spare talon]

people say heresy when i say that piety crit cdr on hswords isnt that bad due to how many enemies you can hit per swing and how fast you can do so
obviously the other options will be more beneficial for doubling down on the crit, but hswords inherently have tons of damage which is what i consider the tradeoff for choosing them

[ripe quest]

Thrust + Skullcrusher Ironhelm with a fast pullout weapon to combo with. If you use it lmk how it feels I'm gathering info.

[wraith helm]

I have not once used ironhelm at all

[hollow ember]

I really wanna try the ironhelm but the RNG haven't been on my side

[wraith helm]

I didnt roll skullcrusher but i rolled headtaker instead

[royal vortex]

the gun runs into the awful-feeling problem of staggering a target at a distance and not killing it and wasting your own time particularly if you are playing a build that wants to engage stuff at a distance

[royal vortex]

it's good in part because hsword has such good options for scaling finesse damage on cleave via the innate 1st/2nd target damage parity and deathblow

which lets crit/weakspot damage more meaningfully influence horde performance

blazing piety + scourge is also halfway to overkill in terms of crit chance anyhow

ur never really waiting for ults if ur spammin hits on large groups of enemies

[spare talon]

plus all of the weight of the crit stuff is in the tree only, meaning the sword can be built for exclusively more damage

[ripe quest]

Are you encountering this specifically with the slug or just in general?

[twilit sonnet]

what does stacking a bunch of impact buffs do differently than just swinging a hammer/crusher into a horde without them?

[royal vortex]

in general

[royal vortex]

don't measure impact on trash mobs. you're not gonna get satisfactory answers

on a crusher in particular it makes it much easier to stagger elites

if you don't have an impact blessing on crusher you're forced into specific moves if you wanna stagger stuff like attacking ragers, if you do have one it's a lot easier

hammer doesn't really need it, +power also provides impact on stuff like thrust and makes it very easy to bully ragers with heavies

[ripe quest]

hmm, I'd need to run a proper Agri build on Vet to get a grounded opinion on it. On Agri Railgun build at the least I haven't yet run into that problem, but the stuff that I'm shooting at a far range I typically 1 shot.

[twilit sonnet]

so itll like, be the difference between staggering things and knocking them onto the ground i assume too

[royal vortex]

in some cases

for the crusher, the crusher guide in the pins goes over some of the specific stagger breakpoints

for both hammer and crusher hitting something with an activated attack will stagger it in most cases (unless it is a boss)

[twilit sonnet]

oooooh forgot about the pins, ty

[royal vortex]

i p much always run full left side vet for it, it's not the biggest issue but it's annoying enough to make me want to put the gun down fairly soon after picking it up

i don't run into the problem on anything besides maybe a bolter (on zealot because my one on vet has like 33% collateral)

[coarse birch]

i wanna say like in parcticular unarmored gunners dont always get one shot at longer ranges

but that could just be coincidence in my experiences

for the slug specifically i havent used the normal shot enough to have any experiences with it

[woeful oyster]

When was this added?

[tidal berry]

noticed it today

[woeful oyster]

Hmm, saw it a moment ago. Wasn't there Yesterday morning.

[wraith helm]

I actually didnt know this and i just tried it. The natural crit from piety is enough for the Hsword

[wraith helm]

tldr: I fucked up but i am still working

[spare talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1176792334269157376/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2023.11.21_-_23.15.42.01_-_Trim.mp4?ex=65cc7144&is=65b9fc44&hm=9321a9ac81d5877418fb656e1cc0bd91adbf50bda47903174aa4a405b912f5aa&

hsword crit goes kinda crazy ngl

i just found my calling with the dclaw which is why i dont use it anymore

[ripe quest]

There are a few reasons why HSword is currently top tier for Zealot right now.

[loud hearth]

as a new to zealot player pls elaborate

[spare talon]

on why hsword is good?

[loud hearth]

yeah

i'm still trying to find good melee weapons

[spare talon]

heavy sword have very high damage out of the gate, and can come with many blessings that increase that hugely, plus they have great cleave, so much so that you dont even need a blessing for it and youll outpreform most other weapons in that regard

[ripe quest]

HSword on it's own has a really solid base for damage and cleaving. It has a distinct weakness of Carapace. It also has Deathblow, which extends first target damage if you get a weakspot kill + really solid power blessings.

[loud hearth]

evisc is nice but a but cumbersome and i tried combat axe and rly liked its speed, mobility and oneshot potential but it really lacked in cleave and crowd control

[spare talon]

plus they have an interesting thing where the first target damage is applied to the first 2 enemies in a swing, which is the only weapon iirc can even do that without brutal momentum or deathblow

[loud hearth]

just trying to see where i land, i heard hsword was the meta but i haven't gotten any good ones yet

just hit zealot lvl 30 yesterday so

[ripe quest]

Caxe is actually another of our top tier weapons because if you get brutal momentum on it (it's 1:1 to Deathblow on HSword) it will give you crowd clear.

[spare talon]

honestly you dont even need a good one to do well with it, all the blessings do are just increasing its strengths

[loud hearth]

well all my hswords are below 300 rating so

not really gonna use the 40% damage hsword am i

[spare talon]

oh yeah, the special action is a combo starter attack that resets your attack chain, and staggers the enemies it hits, which will stagger crushers if done to the head, even if theyre attacking, same with ragers doing their attack combo

while many weapons special action can also do the same thing, this is in addition to every other thing we described above

[ripe quest]

On Zealot just about every melee weapon is perfectly viable, I'd avoid Taxe and Knife though until you're more familiar with the game. Easiest melee weapons to build are Crusher, HSword, and Evis in terms of the build crafting system and how it can be unforgiving.

[loud hearth]

is it also good for bulwarks? does it get past the shield if they aggro on you (they're facing you)

[ripe quest]

If you get Brutal Momentum for Combat Axe, any tier works, it'll immediately bump up the weapon's value by a good amount.

With most weapons you have to bait a swing or get behind a Bulwark to get past the shield.

[spare talon]

very few things can stagger a blocking bulwark, this thing is not one of them

[ripe quest]

Crusher though will just open them

Ironhelm Thunder Hammer will too (both Thammers do but Ironhelm doesn't have the hitstun the Crucis has)

[spare talon]

however hitting the special attack on its head will ensure a stagger, so you can do it when theyre swinging to be able to keep them stunlocked in a staggered state

[copper hawk]

did u run like

a dclaw crit build

but just threw a hsword on

w the normal blessings/perks

or did u change it at all

[spare talon]

basically
except this was before i even used dclaw

this was the original build before it evolved into what i have now with my dclaw

[copper hawk]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1IMHG3ee5DlVnX/d1337HlAJ5ue?invite=cr-MSxRNDgsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/ip-grabber-ip-grabber-thanos-gif-21846609

[ripe quest]

I enjoy the "I'm not losing health" followed by the loss of 150 hp

[spare talon]

"im not losing any health to this"
proceeds to lose half their health immediately after

[copper hawk]

SHUT UP

SHUT UP !!!

SHUT UP SHPUHDUY ASGDTYF#Y@FDA

https://tenor.com/view/anger-felix-argyle-femboy-anime-angry-gif-3964924584518137680

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/mayweather-for-you-throw-gif-8082067

[spare talon]

THATS A DCLAW
FUCKIGN PARRY I SWEAR TO GOD YOURE IN FRONT OF A MORBILLION RAGERS

IT WILL STAGGER THEM

[copper hawk]

noh

left clicke .

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/erm-7tv-gif-17891567587089381962

[ripe quest]

Bind special attack to left click

[spare talon]

you actually have no idea how increasingly angry i was getting that i never saw a single parry be put up even once in that clip

thats like
THE time to use it

and you fucking blew it

you losing half your health was punishment

[loud hearth]

which model combat axe is the best?

[ripe quest]

Rashad with Brutal Momentum in mind.

[loud hearth]

alright thanks

[spare talon]

antax is generally also good, but people prefer rashads attack combos and headshot damage more

people tend to avoid the achlys due to its very different and wonky attack patterns

though some people really like it

[ripe quest]

Antax is very similar but drops finesse a bit for a better push attack and special attack. Achlys has a different vibe entirely that is engaging but has annoying chain timings that make it worse in a bunch of ways.

[spare talon]

how does my computer run auric damnation at 90 fps but this game is struggling to run at 60 fps

[ripe quest]

What a console port does to a game

[spare talon]

its not a console port though

this game came out in general like a few hours ago

[long sluice]

I've oneshot headshot crit parry them before.

[torn yoke]

is it running on UE4?

[spare talon]

googling says yes

[torn yoke]

that explains it

[spare talon]

its weird cuz its only in specific places

in places where theres a larger space with more active rendering and moving parts, it runs at 120 fps just fine

[torn yoke]

never underestimate the unoptimized mess that is UE4

[copper hawk]

YAH well ur stimky

SRIMKY

stimky stimker

[torn yoke]

engine having shader compilation problems? not our problem -epic games

[copper hawk]

u don't understamdz my Powar

!!

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-shocked-cat-silly-cat-cat-kitten-gif-7414586676150300212

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/have-at-thee-rat-jump-gif-3333922911057271749

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/rub-anime-girl-cute-gif-19604729

[spare talon]

a swift jolt 90 degrees

do it now

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/izutsumi-dungeon-dungeon-meshi-delicious-in-dungeon-cat-girl-gif-2649259324055197952

[dense field]

M14 my beloved

[spare talon]

i found it what it was

it was exclusively the reflections settings being enabled

i read somewhere that they inherently had raytracing enabled for what was rendered in the reflection

[torn yoke]

ah yes

[spare talon]

and i have an AMD card

[torn yoke]

modern game engines and reflections

name a better duo

turn that shit off

its not like the game would look massively different without it

[spare talon]

yeah its been off for a while

it was managable before but then i got to an area with lots of reflections and i was down to 19 fps

turned it off

120 fps

[tiny umbra]

Can this be turned into anything usefull brethren our do I take the Savage sweep and run?

[median steeple]

BL to rampage and Stam to flak and you have a decent one

Or

You could take SS4 off but it's your choice

[tiny umbra]

I'll just take it and put it in the tana teacup to drink later, thanks!

[spare talon]

i mean they could do that for now and take off ss when they get a better one

but i mean the only difference would be having a different perk than infested, since those stats are still very good

[median steeple]

Yeah so either way a decent/good evis is born

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/izutsumi-dungeon-dungeon-meshi-delicious-in-dungeon-cat-girl-gif-2649259324055197952

[median steeple]

Gender

[bitter anvil]

Bender

[drifting wolf]

slender

[quasi marsh]

is there any gun

that passively benefits your melee with blessings, like how knives can inherit some blessings

if i hypothetically wanted to do a melee only meme setup

[bitter anvil]

Yeah I do use melee only as zealot, the fucking Eviscerator.

Combine with fastest move speed

[ripe quest]

I mean, on Zealot you can just do that normally with any generalist weapon.

[quasi marsh]

yes but you see

im going to use the taxe IV

so i want any edge I can get

[ripe quest]

Also there aren't any known bugs regarding ranged weapons smuggling buffs to melee weapons rn, best you'll get are ranged weapons that apply debuffs.

[quasi marsh]

damn

[ripe quest]

The throwing knife thing is unique but also kinda not really. From what I've seen many blitzes will don the properties of your held out weapon, like fire grenades proccing showstopper on Flamer or stuns applying debuffs n whatnot. Throwing knives just do that passively because of how they function.

[quasi marsh]

yeah

i mean a better example was bayonet inheriting blessings

on vet

but its not a zealot weapon so idk if ppl would know what im talking about

anyway thanks

guess the gun will just be a decoration

[neat igloo]

are you aware of the attack speed bug on that?

wait nevermind i can't read roman numerals

was thinking of the VII

my assumption is that any dyslexics born in the roman empire just spontaneously combusted

[mint ruin]

against hordes (using the tutolsky mk 9 heavy sword) does one spam light attack or the horizontal heavy?

[vestal coyote]

Can she be saved?

[cerulean moth]

Son you beyyer throw that shit in the trash

Unless you really need it. Then get a beyyer version of skull crusher

[vestal coyote]

Nah, I don't

already got a GOOD one

just trying to make others

I don't have a GREAT one

This is my main crusher

[polar nexus]

It's allright

[cloud hornet]

I've not been to active recently, but is Beacon of Purity or Benediction considered as the "best" aura at the moment? I doing an eviscerator crit chorus build

[lethal totem]

benediction

[delicate shadow]

benediction is better™️ but you honestly could take either and it's no big deal

[quasi marsh]

loner :^)

[delicate shadow]

beacon is whatever but can be nice sometimes

[quasi marsh]

i often end up on loner just bc point savings

[lethal totem]

dont run loner

[delicate shadow]

benediction is just cookie cutter %15 TDR which is fine but really it's nothing too valuable

and then loner is useless most of the time

[cloud hornet]

I suppose I could make two separate loadouts, so if I end up in a squad with another player using either I can just swap. Been testing around a bit and I'm maninly trying to get away from the throwing knives

[delicate shadow]

usually the thing that informs my aura choice is entirely down to point economy

[quasi marsh]

yeah

that's why I end up on loner

save points going for twbs lol

[delicate shadow]

it's why I never end up on loner lol

most of my builds end up being most efficient by just going through benediction via holy rev

[lethal totem]

throwing knives are good, nothing wrong with running them

unless you just want to try something else or whatnot

[delicate shadow]

tknives are just hella fun and actually pretty nice for sniping with

zealot's pretty cool in that the nade choices all have value in some form

[lethal totem]

I hated them on release but now I really enjoy running them

[polar nexus]

Immonade is worst ever

[lethal totem]

its a cool alternative to the revolver

fire grenade is really strong

[vestal coyote]

How is this one for a crit build?

[cloud hornet]

My main issue is that, as far as I know, they just gop out as soon as you press the button. I've not rebuttoned grenades to be fair but if you would've equiped them similar to the normal grenades they would have been much easier to aim

[vestal coyote]

I feel like it's pretty good

[lethal totem]

like all of zealot's choices are strong

[delicate shadow]

it's got shred so it's good, I'd recommend not running a crit perk tho, it's just not worth compared to a damage perk

[cloud hornet]

Send that shred blessing to me or I'll be mad

I'm running this

[vestal coyote]

Yeah?

Noted

I will switch it up

[delicate shadow]

yea

[lethal totem]

swap crit chance perk for +maniac

[vestal coyote]

augh need plasteel

Dang it

[polar nexus]

They to do shit DMG and are almost the same color of the bomber's nades...

[delicate shadow]

5% crit simply doesn't keep up with 25% vs flak/maniac and you already get all the crit you need from shred (and I'm assuming blazing piety)

[polar nexus]

You'll kill more teammates that mobs with them

[lethal totem]

its for horde clear and they do great damage against them lol

[vestal coyote]

Do people really have that much trouble telling the colors apart?

[lethal totem]

can toss them somewhere else and horde clear in front of you, can help a teammate hold a choke

[quasi marsh]

i dont think crit chance ever is the right choice

[vestal coyote]

The gold, low to the ground flames and the red high flames look super different to me

[polar nexus]

Hsword/caxe enters the chat

[quasi marsh]

for basically anything

[delicate shadow]

immo nades do good damage lol

[quasi marsh]

5% is so minor

[lethal totem]

can supplement bad horde clear weapons like chaxe

[vestal coyote]

Yeah Iwasn't thinking, really

I figured

crit sword needs crit chance

because me dumb

[lethal totem]

yeah I'm not going to run molotovs with a heavy sword, thats braindead

[delicate shadow]

but I'm a tknife fiend so it's w/e

[lethal totem]

but it has a place

woah how did you get the most lesser enemy kills and elite kills with the chaxe woah

just use fire grenades

[polar nexus]

You were stealing from the poor ogryn?

[lethal totem]

my kills

[polar nexus]

If they changed the color I would consider them a bit.

[lethal totem]

I mean its not my fault if my teammates are blind lol

[cloud hornet]

Had the same mindset, but if you look over how much crit you get from Blazing Piety it gets relatively useless to have it on the weapons too. Better get that extra damage against enemies you might otherwise struggel with

[wooden river]

Fire nades are great

[polar nexus]

When you have to deal with a shit ton of elites and a boss well yeah. My brain won't let me touch everything that's yellow/orange

[lethal totem]

I think you can get a mod to change the color if you really need it

[delicate shadow]

I'm colourblind af so I don't even try

[vestal coyote]

YOU CONTROL YOUR BRAIN

[lethal totem]

on release it was funny though

[delicate shadow]

there's a mod though yeah

[vestal coyote]

Do not let it control you!

Wait, do we?

Shit

[wooden river]

The texture is slightly different on the immo fire as well

The flames are shorter and more... solid?

[delicate shadow]

yea the mod lets you change the aoe to look like BoN spit or w/e instead of the default effect

[lethal totem]

looks more like glowie fire carpet

[delicate shadow]

but yeah immo nades have shorter flames and different look to them, can be hard to notice if shit's hitting the fan

[polar nexus]

The problem with getting immonade versus knives... You spend too much point to get there and I'd rather have tg on dodge 😦

[lethal totem]

I mean you should always take those top right nodes anyways

[delicate shadow]

yeah second wind kinda dictates I just always go that way

[lethal totem]

these ones

so like you're already there lol

[cloud hornet]

Would've been neat if they went the Battlefield Hardline route for fire nades and made friendly fire blue or something to make it easy to see

[delicate shadow]

I've asked a couple times to just make immo nades blue but alas

gotta rely on mods

[lethal totem]

does this game not have colorblind support?

[delicate shadow]

lol nope

none of the tide games do

[lethal totem]

man that blows

[delicate shadow]

hell for a long time turning camera bobbing/wobble off could only be done via a mod

[wooden river]

it's okay, most games have really shit colorblind support from what I've heard

[delicate shadow]

FS is pretty uhhhh

let's say behind the curve on accessibility

[delicate shadow]

it can hit or miss, it's more often than not better than nothing though

like overwatch weirdly enough has pretty damn nice CB support, which is one of the few good things I can say about that game

bg3 on the other hand, despite being an amazing game, has dogshit CB options

warframe is another game that does accessibility really quite well

[wooden river]

Oh yeah I've heard the CB support in Warframe is good

[delicate shadow]

yea, gives you an intensity option so you can scale it according to how severe your blindness is

[polar nexus]

https://youtu.be/u4CtCMLIHfk?si=YGLYGbSF_E0bj4MT

[delicate shadow]

most games tend to give you a one size fits all filter which obvs has limitations

[lethal totem]

bolter is good

[cloud hornet]

I might need to ask someone to double check this, but I've been fucking around in the meat grinder a bit it would seem to me as if the flame grenades can trigger Showstopper if you are holding a Flamer with that blessing on it

Actually I don't even seem to need to hold it in my hands, just have it equiped

[vestal coyote]

Okay yeah crit build is pretty fun

makes me enjoy the mk XV

[polar nexus]

it takes also the dmg from anointed in blood if you have your ranged weapon equipped

or uncanny if you have a knife

(as long as you proce it ofc)

[long sluice]

can someone explain how this works? I have been trying it and when I get shot while sprinting I still get stunned/stopped and knocked out of sprint.

[quasi marsh]

were you sprinting in a perpendicular direction to the gunfire

[long sluice]

Mosty head on more or less\

[quasi marsh]

that's not what they're talking about

the skill refers to a special mechanic in the game

sec

i recorded a video for this

[long sluice]

nice thx

[quasi marsh]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9WKsyMxasI

so

when you sprint in a roughly perpendicular direction from gunfire

u enter a dodge state

gunfire can no longer hit you

sliding also doe sosmething similar

what that talent does is

usually this effect only works if you have stamina

but that talent makes it so u can do it even at 0 stam

[vernal folio]

Any solid builds for a newbie zealot player?

I've been using that one from Games Lantern, the No Stealth build.

[long sluice]

thanks very clear, so it's not as strong as I thought it was.

[quasi marsh]

ya you cant charge headfirst into gunfire if you were thinking that

its a mechanic they never explain in the game so i dont blame you

[loud hearth]

Isn't sprinting to dodge gunfire in the psykanium tutorial

[long sluice]

it seems not a must have talent then tbh. need to play with it more. Does this tree look ok?

[quasi marsh]

is it

idk

i havent done it in ages

[rigid trellis]

it is

[quasi marsh]

like on release

nevermind then

[long sluice]

sliding is

[rigid trellis]

sprinting is too

[long sluice]

ah ok, been a while since I saw that.

[loud hearth]

What weapon are you using? Evisc?

[long sluice]

playing around with these atm

[rigid trellis]

if you're going to go shred on all of them I would recommend blazing piety so you can go all in on it

[loud hearth]

yeah me too

[steep flame]

titanfall 2 players can tap e way too fast

[loud hearth]

blazing piety so nice

[long sluice]

I was trying to fit this in, thought I was missing out. My build so fast has mostly been blazing.

i guess I still can

I was immo greneade before

Should I drop anything up top for the blazing buffs? Or just leave as is.

[rigid trellis]

see how you go with that

[long sluice]

I feel like these all so good, hard to drop one.

[rigid trellis]

the nodes to drop would be the 2 leading towards inexorable judgement if you feel the need

but you should be fine

[loud hearth]

yes the right tree for piety is excellent

[long sluice]

if in theory I dropped shred on my devils claw

what would be best 2? Rampage + something?

Shred is pretty important though no, to keep your cooldowns up

[loud hearth]

correct

also just plain more damage and better at dealing with armor

[rigid trellis]

rampage and savage sweep to answer the question though

[unkempt horizon]

bleedy boi

[obtuse stirrup]

Thing is, typically with Blazing Piety and the crit CDR you really want to maximise your crit chance and get as many ability uses as you can

I would prioritise getting the improvements. In any build you have to omit some things you would really love to keep, that's just the nature of the talent tree system.

[wooden river]

I'd drop Swift Certainty and the tdr node above it

and then put those into the two rightside Piety nodes

[long sluice]

thanks, going to try this also.

[obtuse stirrup]

Tbf I didn't look at the rest of your build and what you're trying to accomplish, I'm just trying to express how strong Blazing Piety is and how good the support nodes are for it

[long sluice]

umm what am I trying to accomplish..hmmm..well I'm feeling damnation is becoming a little routine so really trying to shore up my game and start learning auric.

[rigid trellis]

I would say most of the 'being good' at auric comes from general game knowledge/awareness and learning what your build is good or bad at dealing with and finding ways to work around that

[long sluice]

On zealot currently I feel like my biggest weakness is big packs of armor.

[fading vale]

I'd drop the extra toughness on melee kill if you need a point

and definitely drop swift

and get the blazing buffs

and duellist

[long sluice]

i need to get the shrink talent tree mod to make it easier to comunicate on here 😄

[fading vale]

those 3 points should make a big damage difference

[long sluice]

I dropped swift already.

will drop toughness on kill for duelist

and give it a go

[fading vale]

duellist is +100% total crit weakspot which is very big for something like claw, especially parry

[long sluice]

I feel like swift is super good, I just don't utilize well.

[fading vale]

it's not really that great

all it buys you most of the time is a bit of extra movespeed

[long sluice]

like If I am head on with gunner, I would rather pop fury and slide in.. or drop back and look for another play, or use revolver to thin them down.. with swift I need to run in cross patterns like I'm a wide receiver or some shit haha 😄

[fading vale]

yeah, granted you can already do that without swift

just not at 0 stam

[long sluice]

right

[fading vale]

you should have chastise up more than often enough with crit CDR

what gun are you using

[wooden river]

Oh yeah def drop Blood Redemption

[sacred vessel]

my best wants to play lego fortnite over DT💀

not sure i will follow him with that one

[hidden stirrup]

[sacred vessel]

blaze away is dope

still need to get that one

[hidden stirrup]

Yeah and I can swap between Overpressure and Inspiring Barrage

[sacred vessel]

haven't seen flamer zealots in a while

[hidden stirrup]

old Blade + Flamer best combo

[fading vale]

overpressure is currently bugged to not effect burn

[rigid trellis]

I would love to use the flamer but then I just so happen to get teammates that can't kill gunners and snipers

[sacred vessel]

amen brother

[hidden stirrup]

Blades of Faith

[fading vale]

flamer is great for gunners imo, if you use chastise to charge at them

[hidden stirrup]

Inspiring it is for now then

[wooden river]

Second Wind will get you more toughness regen in a horde fight

[sacred vessel]

is lego fortnite even good? does anyone know?

[rigid trellis]

that's true

[wooden river]

Second Wind + Good Balance =

[hidden stirrup]

Stamina Curios

[fading vale]

hmm do ragers still proc on dodge effects even though their attacks are undodgeable

[long sluice]

Waiting to find handcannon to swap out trickshooter.

[wooden river]

Pretty sure they do, I'll have to check next game

[fading vale]

first thing would be to swap weakspot

to flak or maniac, probably flak

[long sluice]

it was on carapace before, just trying diff things out.

[rigid trellis]

crit and weakspot damage scale poorly, it's never worth having them as perks

[fading vale]

yeah weakspot perk is just really bad

[long sluice]

ok

good thing you asked

[fading vale]

they aren't 10% sadly

[long sluice]

Not carapce? I feel like that's the best use case of my gun

[hidden stirrup]

You can dodge backwards can't you? At least with combat knife you have enough dodge distance

[rigid trellis]

with handcannon you probably won't need cara

[fading vale]

that is outranging the attack

not technically dodging it

[hidden stirrup]

Think it still counts tho doesn't it?

Since technically you evaded by dodging

[rigid trellis]

it makes a particular sound when you've properly dodged an attack

[hidden stirrup]

I play zaelot, do you think I focus on the game? xD

[wooden river]

It has to be a just-frame dodge

[long sluice]

sigh....why do ppl put mark target on left click...I can't stand it.

[fading vale]

well, their attacks are undodgeable, idk I would have to go into psyk and test rager specifics

[rigid trellis]

realasianrobot still preaches to people that they need to do it, so that's probably why

[wooden river]

Watching Good Balance and Duellist proc on your buffs bar is a good way to check if you're doing a proper dodge

[fading vale]

I assume this is some shit youtuber

[rigid trellis]

it do be

[hidden stirrup]

There's darktide content on yt? It actually has a fanbase?

[fading vale]

do not watch 99% of DT youtube content

but yes there is some

most of it is highly misinformative

there are 2 or 3 people with decent videos

[hidden stirrup]

The only information I get is from Hamdolsun, got a build for every weapon

[quasi marsh]

man

is it just me

or is taxe actually

not that bad?

lol

i did a taxe only auric just now

[fading vale]

haven't heard of hamdolsun

[rigid trellis]

it's not bad, it's just like the knife in that it takes more effort to get the same amount of performance out of it compared to other weapons

generally

[quasi marsh]

https://i.gyazo.com/cac30639fa09dbce5e506452e737d444.png

felt like the knife where u can spam the fuck out of your ability because constant crits

though actually like slightly capable in hordes

downside is crushers were annoying as fuck

[fading vale]

as crab said taxe is 80% of a weapon or something

[quasi marsh]

but spamming ctw made them somewhat bearable

[fading vale]

and some of the animations are still fucked like on the 7

[quasi marsh]

i was using IV

[fading vale]

I feel like chastise spam can overcome a lot of issues lol

[quasi marsh]

ok

fair enough maybe

LOL

[fading vale]

but it's not unusable or anything

[neat igloo]

i feel like taxe is the baseline where weapons should be at in this game

[wooden river]

Mk2 Taxe is the most tolerable tac axe

[neat igloo]

it's just everything else is way above that baseline

[wooden river]

Mostly because the heavies are chained cleaves

Caxe is just absurd right now

[neat igloo]

maybe give it some mobility buffs

[wooden river]

give dual tac axes and we'll be good 🙂

[quasi marsh]

i ran mk4 for the goofy ass underhanded swing

on heavy

so i can pretend its a katana

i wanted to meme but it actually did pretty well on anything that wasnt carapace

[fading vale]

yeah it's hard to compare weapons when you have shit like caxe and hsword

[neat igloo]

like, fundamentally it's a brutal momentum weapon that easily 1 taps bruisers

[quasi marsh]

which I imagine would be dealt with a gun

[neat igloo]

and i feel people forget that

it just struggles vs carapace specifically

[hidden stirrup]

Crazy guy that has done twins over 500 times now

he basically solo'd twins for hundreds of ppl

[fading vale]

I saw some guide of his on steam, some of his perks and curios were questionable and what not but didn't look terrible overall

[quasi marsh]

do i need unarmored on it

the heavies dont 1tap scab bruisers for me

[neat igloo]

you need some combination of melee buffs

headtaker gets you most of the way on its own

[quasi marsh]

https://i.gyazo.com/ed04e912b4767cc0b635b79a5dda5674.jpg

its stuck with elite unfortunately

i thinki need flak for scab bruisers

guess ill have to throw more plasteel at it another time

[neat igloo]

once you get rolling it's not at all inconsistent

[spare dome]

you dont need flak on it

[quasi marsh]

im trying with 5 headtaker stacks and i dont kill flak bruisers on headshot heavies

maybe its the shitty finesse

[neat igloo]

uh

[spare dome]

but yes you do need unarmored if you wanna one touch yellow boys

[neat igloo]

i'm doing it on vet

[fading vale]

is this correct, note the lower crit weakspot damage on scab bruisers

[neat igloo]

maybe it's vet damage nodes making the difference?

[quasi marsh]

man wtf

[neat igloo]

hold on, let me check

[quasi marsh]

lemme see if im missing melee dmg on my tree

no

i think i pickedup literally everything i could

https://i.gyazo.com/e17b8204c26b58795401cb20eb2b830b.png

unless im missing something?

[spare dome]

momentum is actual damage

vs Peity being crit chance

[fading vale]

people also run marty with taxe

[quasi marsh]

ya i know, but i figured piety is better to ctw spam no?

oh

[fading vale]

also I wouldnt really go for disdain/EWEW

[quasi marsh]

i see

oh that's true

i barely have any cleave lol

forgot

[fading vale]

get second wind instead

and until death or good balance if you really don't want until death

or anoint

anoint always goated

[hazy eagle]

What you lot prefer, chainsword or eviscerator?

[quasi marsh]

ya i dont really care for holy rev anymore

[quasi marsh]

yeah the reason ididnt take that was because

i wasnt using my gun

lol

[fading vale]

most people seem to prefer eviscerator these days but chainsword is quite good

[hazy eagle]

the moveset is certainly simpler on the chainsword

[fading vale]

IIRC old chainsword still has the best horde clear speed

the new eviscerator is dead simple to use

lights for cleave and heavies for single target

[rigid trellis]

yeah new evis has a simple to use move set whereas mk2 is more involved

[quasi marsh]

damn

so its the unarmored

[neat igloo]

on vet with literally every melee damage node and 5 headtaker stacks this 1 shots both bruisers

[quasi marsh]

lemme see if i can still oneshot dreg bruiser without flak

damnit

im a little off

like 20 dmg

might be my shit finesse

[neat igloo]

which uh, actually does not speak kindly to its baseline performance

[hushed knoll]

Hello Laz

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/221708975698083841/994274870244417677/644479444555137024.gif

[neat igloo]

yes, it's a close thing

[fading vale]

Hi stan

[neat igloo]

if you miss just one of the talents, you end up like 2 digits off from the 1 tap

[quasi marsh]

wsell

its far from good yeah

just not as bad as i expected

lol

[neat igloo]

well, that's not entirely true

[quasi marsh]

there were times i was refreshing ctw like crazy with it which actually felt really good

[neat igloo]

i can do it without the 10% melee damage node actually

[fading vale]

one day BM will be deleted from the game and then maybe fatshark can actually balance the weapons that have it

[neat igloo]

i guess this is just another instance of vet melee being better than zealot

[fading vale]

we don't really have free melee damage nodes other than martyrdom or I guess you could kind of consider momentum free, idk what vet has though