u can grab more toughness or health
#zealot-class
royal vortex
tired hawk
ok
royal vortex
personal preference
onyx solar
tired hawk
toughness regen or just normal toughness?
royal vortex
normal toughness
tired hawk
mk
coarse birch
back
royal vortex
i am going to play zealot without second wind
because i think vicious offering/bfte will keep me alive more
south folio
no throwing knives now?
royal vortex
mk1 has sweep heavies, mk4 has a strikedown and then sweep, mk7 is sweep then strikedown
mk7 has a funny push attack -> light -> light -> heavy single target combo
they have different lights iirc but i cant remember them off the top of my head
north sedge
i will not let bulwarks troll me
Just install hp bars
royal vortex
i know the 7 also has the parry followup light strikedown i dont remember if the other 2 do because i only really use the 7
tired hawk
i'd likely be running it with a boltgun
royal vortex
Just install hp bars
😔
tired hawk
so horde clear is its primary function
spare talon
oh god dammit
i just realized i CANT start a new game
persona 3 reload comes out on friday, id be abandoning whatever i started now
coarse birch
yeah im trying to beat that before ff7 part 2
cause once that comes out i dont leave my room for a week
ember yew
oh god dammit
i just realized i CANT start a new game
persona 3 reload comes out...
i have played original P3 back in 2005 on PS2 for hundred++++++ hours
gonna play this for sure
spare talon
i have played original P3 back in 2005 on PS2 for hundred++++++ hours
last year i bought the p3p remaster when it came out
played it nearly to the end, then stopped to darktide/warframe gaming
then they announced p3r
wanted to blow my fucking brains out
ember yew
i also really enjoyed Soul Hackers 2
tho its not a persona, but more like classic SMT experience
spare talon
ive not played any of those
spare talon
ive tried smt 3 nocturne though and i got a fair bit into it
then i realized i wasnt having any fun
so i stopped
burnt belfry
Damn and I thought Zealot chat was cool. No praising the emperor smh
ember yew
yeah, its on gamepass
ember yew
ive tried smt 3 nocturne though and i got a fair bit into it
well, that one is pretty dated tbh, too much unfun stuff, give a shout for Soulhackers 2
spare talon
well, that one is pretty dated tbh, too much unfun stuff, give a shout for Soulh...
it was the remaster tho
i did also buy smt 5 but i only played like 40 minutes of that before something else stole me from it
ember yew
it was the remaster tho
i did also buy smt 5 but i only played like 40 minutes o...
yeah and a pretty lazy remaster at that, if it was a remake like P3Reload i would try it again
i played original on ps2 and it was really like what's the word
like someone was choking me
experience
spare talon
yeah
hard games are fun, but not that kinda hard
thats just "here we gave you suboptimal systems and gameplay good luck idiot"
ember yew
thats just "here we gave you suboptimal systems and gameplay good luck idiot"
also the grind is pretty boring too
and there's a lot of it
north sedge
there will be no pc port until they port every other game you don't want
bold gust
learning to use the Devil's Claw instead of sticking to the Eviscerator, it's pretty damn fun so far
quick gulch
shy river
ye
bold gust
https://tenor.com/view/robert-redford-jeremiah-johnson-nodding-yes-nod-of-approv...
After parrying a Chaos Spawn to death at last I truly see
bold gust
Never used it much since I started playing as vet and never took my time to learn how the thing works properly
Gonna try the Heavy Swords again at one point
spare talon
After parrying a Chaos Spawn to death at last I truly see
dont forget that the parry is coded as a block
so you can parry an attack from behind or the side to hit whats in front of you
bold gust
Nice
visual stream
I forgor but can you parry dogs or nah
spare talon
I forgor but can you parry dogs or nah
no
visual stream
Didn't think so
bold gust
Dumb question but can you parry the trapper net
spare talon
no
spare talon
that would be fucking awesome tho
trap the trapper
thats what you fucking get BITCH
visual stream
Does block efficiency work for parries? Should I take that on a critclaw build?
spare talon
it does affect the parry, but i wouldnt take it
3 stamina regen on your curios is more than enough
royal vortex
just remember u can parry plogryn charges
indigo quartz
yes
spare talon
just remember u can parry plogryn charges
indigo quartz
thats not a grab
spare dome
and mutie charges yep absolutely
hollow fulcrum
I think Melk hooked it up?
spare talon
I think Melk hooked it up?
yeah he did
indigo quartz
excellent,
spare talon
cleave dumped in the mk15
actually goated
indigo quartz
purchase it
hollow fulcrum
I was in here just a few days ago trying to roll a Evis XV lol
indigo quartz
you got a flexible perk slot
rampage is flexible too imo
32% damage is not worth it to lock in but you can also swap it back if you want it/if they ever add more blessings
hollow fulcrum
Reroll melee damage to spec and rampage ideally?
hollow fulcrum
I mean reroll the rampage to IV if I can find it and the melee damage perk
royal vortex
do not upgrade rampage
spare talon
thats a 4% increase
royal vortex
shred is much more conditionally useful because u only really care about it if you are doing crit cdr stuff
indigo quartz
less than 4%
royal vortex
shred is the slot u would swap out depending on preference
because with +cara u can swap shred to bloodthirsty and one-shot crushers with a crit rev heavy
hollow fulcrum
gotcha
indigo quartz
i wouldn't use the MK15 outside a crit cdr build but ymmv
rampage wastes one of hte most important parts of +power (cleave increase) on the 15
due to the hard 4 target cap
north sedge
🤔
spare talon
rampage is quite literally the only raw damage increase you can get on the evis
south folio
RAW
indigo quartz
it being the only one and it being useful are different stories.
ripe quest
I forgor but can you parry dogs or nah
You can duck or slide under them
royal vortex
leave it as is until you get thrust
visual stream
You can duck or slide under them
I have a clip where I was crouching still for three seconds before a dog missed a leap on me from behind 💀
spare talon
it being the only one and it being useful are different stories.
sure, if headtaker, slaughterer or any other damage blessing existed, then it would be better for that
but those are ALSO power, which would be "wasting" the cleave part of power too
indigo quartz
rampage is still Power last I checked
wide cave
I think Melk hooked it up?
I am just hunting for a melee with those blessings: 
spare talon
rampage is still Power last I checked
it is
royal vortex
that's a p decent stat spread, so once you get thrust i'd swap headtaker for it
spare talon
and so are all the other good damage blessings
royal vortex
because thrust is the best hammer blessing by far
visual stream
Also I found a new funny hanging ledge guys
royal vortex
once you get a better hammer you can still take slaughterer off that one
indigo quartz
i just don't like making a weapon that doesn't want to specialize in crowd clearing less bad at crowd clearing when if I wanted that I could instead get perfect strike for its massive hitmass ignore even on hordes
its either going to crit and kill everything (4 targets) or its going to run into the 4 target hit cap
I recognize 32% more damage > no more damage
ripe quest
it being the only one and it being useful are different stories.
36% damage, cleave, and impact is a fairly solid buff.
indigo quartz
but it feels like we're ignoring tangible benefits on perfect strike or the niche utility of chain crits
i'd have to double check later tonight but crits also do more impact
visual stream
Director will tell you we were camping a spawn point and did indeed deserve the silent burster
royal vortex
im not exactly seeing where crits are killing all 4 targets in a swing
bitter patio
This isnt making any sense, first hit with a heavy attack on maulers bodies the top one does around 200 the bottom one is doing 542. The 25% cant be so strong its giving almost triple the damage and this is before power gets involver
visual stream
Also new ledge to patch out
ripe quest
It also multiplies cleave after other cleave blessings, so on the Mk II you get like 38 cleave on the H1 lmao
split ibex
What's the best Shred weapon right now? Chainsword?
royal vortex
the impact of crit damage on cleave falloff gets significantly lessened as it goes lower in the target order
indigo quartz
and 32/36% flat damage does?
107 *1.36
isn't suddenly 500+ damage
it is objectively more damage in horde scenarios
royal vortex
it's more consistent damage
perfect strike is purely providing crowd control, it does nothing else
ripe quest
What's the best Shred weapon right now? Chainsword?
Chainswords with SS/Wrath + Shred, Mk II Evis with any cleave blessing + Shred, and Mk XV Evis with Rampage/SS/Wrath + Shred.
royal vortex
because in most cases ur unfortunately not getting 100% crit rate
split ibex
Chainswords with SS/Wrath + Shred, Mk II Evis with any cleave blessing + Shred, ...
Tyvm
royal vortex
shred is again only really doing anything significant if you're running crit cdr and on other builds is a single-target damage improvement some of the time
there's a reason the general consenus here is that you take rampage and then second blessing is whatever, because rampage does the most on a consistent basis
indigo quartz
like yeah if you're running martyrdom i wouldn't ever advise using Shred
and if rampage were the purpose, just go use the MK2?
split ibex
Trying to work out a good Chorus build and I figure Invocation of Death is the best CAC reduction
ripe quest
Tyvm
Also to note with the Chainswords lean towards Wrath a bit more than the Evis' would. It can stack it fast and enables better light spam which can be nice in certain situations.
hollow fulcrum
For Heavy Evis XV, would you roll flak/maniac/carapace ideally for perks?
ripe quest
SS is still fine on Chainswords though.
indigo quartz
flak lets you 1-tap maulers on bodyshots
indigo quartz
you either need chastise/a crit to 1-tap on headshots even with carapace last I checked
north sedge
cara with bloodthirsty for the one shots
indigo quartz
but I don't have an 80/80/80 MK15 yet
ripe quest
From what I remember on the Mk XV you'd only want +Carapace if you're using Bloodthirsty, it allows for easier Crusher chaining.
royal vortex
carapace is good with bloodthirsty, outside of that not quite as useful
ripe quest
But you can also hit it with +Elites
indigo quartz
bloodthirsty is for consistensty, carapace allows one shots on crit period
royal vortex
specialists is p terrible though on the evis melk gave you so it's much better to swap that one
split ibex
Also to note with the Chainswords lean towards Wrath a bit more than the Evis' w...
Yeah I have a Mk XV evi build that would definitely like SS better due to the slower swings
spare talon
and if rampage were the purpose, just go use the MK2?
by this kind of logic, why do we put slaughterer on boss killing thunderhammers if you dont get any benefit from it when using it against bosses
its because its built to cover up weaknesses, which is killing power against lower health enemies, something that mk15 also shares with its cleave cap
royal vortex
i mean u can also stack slaught before hitting a boss
indigo quartz
I still think its poisonous logic to reccomend slaughterer on boss killing crucis
biggest number on paper for sure
north sedge
🤔
spare talon
i mean u can also stack slaught before hitting a boss
but you very rarely get the chance to actually hit them before the stacks run out in actual gameplay
royal vortex
if the idea is you're stacking headtaker in a situation in which you are only fighting a boss you're wasting time doing normals which is lowering your dps
royal vortex
but you very rarely get the chance to actually hit them before the stacks run ou...
wrong
polar nexus
but you very rarely get the chance to actually hit them before the stacks run ou...
That I can confirm.
ripe quest
Due to buff timings it's easier to hit a boss with slaught stacks than it is with headtaker stacks.
royal vortex
there's almost always enough enemies on the screen that u can hit the boss after getting stacks
(it's even easier with ironhelm because it takes less time to get slaught stacks on it, but i did it with crucis all the time)
polar nexus
Man you already have to deal with someone kiting the boss away from you so that you don't lose you chastise
Keeping stacks up?
If only.
royal vortex
if you're in such a low intensity situation you have to chase the boss it's not a situation where you're actually at risk
cuz u can't really lose at that point
visual stream
mfw I chastise toward BoN, perfectly lining up a pimple shot before he immediately turns to me and vores me
fleet zealot
royal vortex
i don't think it's worth benchmarking for scenarios where the damage difference doesn't matter in the first place
if i need the boss dead as soon as possible, i.e when other shit is happening at the same time, it's not hard to stack slaughterer
spare talon
but my point is, slaughterer and headtaker arent put on the hammer with the sole purpose of boss damage, theyre mainly to improve the weapons performance outside of the situations they excel at
which is the same reason you put rampage on the mk15
indigo quartz
and im saying the marginal amount of swing difference in a horde scenario doesn't impact the BPs you otherwise build the weapon for whereas bloodthirsty or perfect strike further refine or adequately cover a weakness
fleet zealot
and im saying the marginal amount of swing difference in a horde scenario doesn'...
not really
it's not marginal
polar nexus
if you're in such a low intensity situation you have to chase the boss it's not ...
I have seen that in every situation and sometimes it's maddening. When I am in a premade yeah, it works.
fleet zealot
rampage is power
and horde clearing/melee'ing crowds is one of zealots main jobs
(rampage tooltip is wrong, currently says damage, gives power)
polar nexus
The xv wants rampage, who said the contrary? Oo
indigo quartz
im saying that its not this end-all be-all
south folio
hopefully that's one of the main jobs of all classes
indigo quartz
not that its not-good for bigger number
fleet zealot
The xv wants rampage, who said the contrary? Oo
dragongirl
or maybe i read it wrong
indigo quartz
original point is being flanderized
polar nexus
I think psyker / ogryns are better horde clearer
indigo quartz
on specifically the MK15, with its current limitations, I'd prefer to leave shred 4 than rampage 3
north sedge
hopefully that's one of the main jobs of all classes
ogryn is mainly chef, and part time race scientist
polar nexus
If they decide to go that route
royal vortex
ogryn is mainly chef, and part time race scientist
phrenologist
south folio
so true
indigo quartz
rampage, if you're maintaining its uptime, is kind of defeating the purpose of you choosing to bring the evis MK15
polar nexus
Why?
north sedge
phrenologist
hey politcal science exists too
spare talon
rampage isnt a thing that you think about maintaining though
its so easy to proc in general gameplay that you dont have to worry about it
indigo quartz
if its active you're in a scenario you should have brought a rampage synergistic weapon to, like the heavy sword
the more frequently that comes up, the less likely the mission favored you bringing that weapon
fleet zealot
heavysword doesn't go rampage anymore
polar nexus
It's like blaze away or surgical on a kickback. You're not using them together. But each has a role.
fleet zealot
it goes deathblow headtaker
indigo quartz
yeah im aware, but there's still synergy there
after I locked both perks on a heavy sword that was close to perfect
polar nexus
So rampage + bloodthirsty combo works.
indigo quartz
only to get pranked here
fleet zealot
reminder
polar nexus
You don't always have to synergize
indigo quartz
yeah its why I run Shred + perfect or occasionally rampage because I don't believe myself above being wrong
spare dome
BEGONE
royal vortex
https://clips.twitch.tv/GrossMistyVampireRuleFive-8vyVE_SQ0uWhaAYA
throws knife with MIND
indigo quartz
bloodthirsty is a meme imo multiple crushers will just kill you
spare talon
throws knife with MIND
mah fuckin cranium
spare talon
ripe quest
hopefully that's one of the main jobs of all classes
Knife/Recon Vet about to shake the meta:
coarse birch
what if they run lacerate tho
spare talon
the recon is their hordeclear
they have smoke grenades to help them do it safely too
coarse birch
then they are all set
south folio
i am incurring mild pain from this convo
royal vortex
i cannot believe ironhelm has trouble with maulers
coarse birch
talents wise
royal vortex
ripe quest
if its active you're in a scenario you should have brought a rampage synergistic...
Seems like weird logic that can be viewed as adjacent to the "why use this when this other weapon does it better?" argument. If you pick the Mk XV Evis for it's qualities and also want to better literally half of the weapon, Rampage is available for that.
royal vortex
crucis users in shambles
north sedge
josho how did you find those maulers without hp bars?
hushed knoll
HELLOOOOOOO
royal vortex
i am trying to figure out exactly what i want to change about the weapon
south folio
scent
royal vortex
josho how did you find those maulers without hp bars?
echolocation
south folio
scent
royal vortex
it's very close to being an interesting thing
coarse birch
echolocation
south folio
be quiet stan
royal vortex
but just not quite there
hushed knoll
No u
royal vortex
ive started looking at the numbers
south folio
i don't talk to people who have yet to leave their typing scent on their devices
hushed knoll
i don't talk to people who have yet to leave their typing scent on their devices
????
The phone learns the scent
Noob
"I cri"
royal vortex
l1 vs heavy
spare dome
hey its that weird sniffing guy get away from my devices
south folio
a bad craftsman blames their tools
south folio
hey its that weird sniffing guy get away from my devices
patch 12 stripped down won't save you
hushed knoll
I have never blamed my tool
ripe quest
i am trying to figure out exactly what i want to change about the weapon
Delve into the combo weapon Josho, make it the Crusher sidegrade that it has the potential for
spare dome
i shall outrun the speed of smell
coarse birch
you blame your tool like
south folio
you're putting the responsibility onto your phone
spare dome
its the only way
coarse birch
everyday
north sedge
you blame your phone all the time
royal vortex
wait what the fuck is going on here
hushed knoll
Oh are we talking about phones
coarse birch
????
royal vortex
it has a different min cleave value for infested
south folio
WHAT (to stan)
royal vortex
but not unarmored or flak
hushed knoll
God I am bed angeling so hard rn
south folio
lay off the carbs/coffee
ripe quest
bed angeling
hushed knoll
I'm drinking coffee rn
north sedge
God I am bed angeling so hard rn
hushed knoll
I'm exhausted, been on my feet all day
royal vortex
Delve into the combo weapon Josho, make it the Crusher sidegrade that it has the...
the problem is rn the unactivated moveset is super bad
hushed knoll
My bed is so soft I want to marry it
royal vortex
in that u can't chain to stuff intuitively
and there has been one failed bandaid attempt and 1 real bandaid attempt
hushed knoll
Now I gotta deal with my annoying bank
royal vortex
the current idea i have
is that the push attack becomes an uppercut with juiced finesse
so it's uppercut push attack -> l2 strikedown -> h3 strikedown
and then
and this is gonna sound annoying but hear me out
u take away the activated heavies always chaining to heavies
because something that i thought would be cool
is you do an activated h2, knock a crusher on his ass, and then overhead him
but u can't chain to this freely
u have to add awkward in-between steps that make it feel dumb
ripe quest
the problem is rn the unactivated moveset is super bad
I think it has this weird idea behind the moveset that fails to be complimentary to the special attack's design. In a vacuum I'm fine with both but together they clash imo.
royal vortex
how strong is the unactivated overhead
juiced
ripe quest
Very bonk
spare dome
thats why i just use the simple combo of PA -> L2 -> Activate -> PA -> L2 -> H3 -> Diagonal Left -> A -> B -> B -> A -> Upper
royal vortex
it's good
coarse birch
how much are you losing on not getting an activation
royal vortex
I think it has this weird idea behind the moveset that fails to be complimentary...
yea and this is dumb
coarse birch
why
royal vortex
they need to flow together
hushed knoll
@quaint verge GET OUT OF HERE
royal vortex
well ok actually
quaint verge
<@207203204247715840> GET OUT OF HERE
royal vortex
i think the unactivated single target combo is awful
hushed knoll
Anngak 
south folio
royal vortex
i don't want to have to throw in pushes to do the moves i want
hushed knoll
No
north sedge
stan's phone is pretty juiced
south folio
journey before destination
north sedge
i love making images in photoshipped
coarse birch
but yeah i do agree
ripe quest
how much are you losing on not getting an activation
Depends but it's time efficient to activate an H3 compared to just spamming base H3's.
north sedge
that comment was pretty juiced
north sedge
gonna bust some halls
royal vortex
ironhelm feels heavy but not like super sluggish bad awful like crucis does
south folio
ya got a license for that?
royal vortex
which i like
ripe quest
A problem arises since the H1 and 2 are roadblocks for the H3 so you need the push -> H3 combo which would only benefit you if you need to hit a BP
south folio
https://tenor.com/view/halls-extra-force-candy-gif-12425258
there is surely some meaning to be gleaned from this
coarse birch
and is ass when trying to use it in a horde lol
north sedge
ya got a license for that?
royal vortex
A problem arises since the H1 and 2 are roadblocks for the H3 so you need the pu...
im also pretty fucking annoyed when i try to push to make space and i queue up a h3
it's a bad solution to a moveset problem
coarse birch
it kinda feels like 2 movesets
royal vortex
ironhelm has the problem of being a botched combo weapon more than anything else
coarse birch
on the same weapon
ripe quest
im also pretty fucking annoyed when i try to push to make space and i queue up a...
tbf you have access to the PA from push but I see what you mean.
royal vortex
i used to think it was just because fatshark took reddit complaints and made it into a hammer but i think there's a very cool concept here
coarse birch
its close enough i think it could be made cool in the future
north sedge
its probably both
north sedge
cause the special didnt even work right when it first came out if i remember right
north sedge
thats right
royal vortex
tbf you have access to the PA from push but I see what you mean.
the push attack has an identical damage breakdown to the l1 from what it looks like
royal vortex
because the l1 is ass
coarse birch
thats probably why lol
ripe quest
I wish I could like, lab out potential weapon combos like FS can but I feel like I'd enjoy smth where the H1 is the overhead and the H2 and H3 chain into eachother. Key point though is you can Push to access H2 and you can activate while in the block/push action.
royal vortex
i dont want the h1 to be the overhead because then u kinda just have no purpose for the light strikedown in all likelyhood
because then u end up with just h1 block cancel repeat
another idea i had
was that once u did the h3
ripe quest
I mean there are creative ways to solve an issue like that
royal vortex
it would loop to the l2
and back
because it goes back to the l1 and its just liek WHY DO YOU NOT WANT ME TO DO THE MOVE I WANT TO DO
WHY IS THIS WEAPON FIGHTING ME
AT EVERY FUCKING TURN
ripe quest
Like H1 combos into a fast followup light that's a finesse hit or smth. On paper it'd be better to loop that than to H1 QQ but only if you hit the finesse hit on the light.
median steeple
WHY IS THIS WEAPON FIGHTING ME
maybe if you were nice to it
coarse birch
i think josho is trying to be nice to it lol
ripe quest
So like the H1 starter loops single target hits and then the L1 leads to the H2 and H3 chaining
spare dome
i just wish
royal vortex
Like H1 combos into a fast followup light that's a finesse hit or smth. On paper...
but then u get into the Darktide Crafting Ruins Everything problem
where u have thrust
spare dome
the current l1 did not exist
south folio
i think josho is trying to be nice to it lol
his attempts are evidently failing
royal vortex
and all these other damage boosts
visual stream
Director on its way to make the groaner screaming "HEEELLP" 80 db but the poxburster behind me 10 db
north sedge
obviously the solution is to run thunderstrike
coarse birch
thunderstrike trauma
ember yew
josho how did you find those maulers without hp bars?
that was a good one
coarse birch
boom no power boost
ripe quest
where u have thrust
Oh I mean sure, yeah, but I cannot imagine you'd be full thrust H1 spamming everything. If the H1 L2 loop kills small elites fast and can chain into the crowd combo it'd still have a use.
fleet zealot
steep flame
fleet zealot
FRENCH
ripe quest
It doesn't need to be the single target combo, it's a Thammer, it has the biggest single target hits available for Zealot. It just needs to have value, much like how on the Crucis you'd use the lights in some situations.
quaint verge
The phone learns the scent
fleet zealot
i saw that on twitter
hushed knoll
You can't do this
steep flame
Ok
fleet zealot
with the caption "this cat is french"
quaint verge
You can't do this
steep flame
The cat is not french
hushed knoll
That's his son wtf
quaint verge
That's his son wtf
royal vortex
It doesn't need to be *the* single target combo, it's a Thammer, it has the bigg...
this discussion is evidently a matter of numbers which is subject to a fatshark dev hearing a proposal and then just typing something else in
steep flame
You can't do this
south folio
don'
royal vortex
t necessarily think that's the direction you should take it from an identity perspective
another issue you run into is activated attacks
and for hammers i generally want to keep the charge -> heavy loop to be a horizontal unless u get fancy with it
hushed knoll
I HATE THIS I HATE THIS
royal vortex
and im not a huge fan of having activations that get their own weird move like on the new shovels
quaint verge
I HATE THIS I HATE THIS
royal vortex
i also don't like the push attack just being a light that also costs stamina
so my idea here is u incorporate the push attack into a single target combo and then make the push chain back into horizontals
ripe quest
this discussion is evidently a matter of numbers which is subject to a fatshark ...
unironically I might try to request a mod that lets people visually change the combos in self-hosted lobbies
royal vortex
i fkin wish
the reason ive even thought of this is because they made the crucis push attack special
and its a sort of space-maker diagonal thing
quaint verge
@hushed knoll
royal vortex
so what they need to do is make the ironhelm push attack not a fucking l1 with a new animation
spare dome
god the l1 is garbo
royal vortex
it's fun
quaint verge
It do be fun playing the ironhelm
royal vortex
i also got a near godroll for p much free
coarse birch
In a world where i dont get headtaker locked
royal vortex
f
maiden path
royal vortex
the fact that the weapon is legit allergic to letting u chain to the h3 without doing dumb stuff
is the worst part of it
coarse birch
H3 is the massive overhead right
frank night
words said by absolute lunatics
royal vortex
fk off
coarse birch
Rude
frank night
im already on this cliff
royal vortex
@coarse birch im havin a stroke
frank night
i can think up a build
coarse birch
Do you need me to call for help josho
frank night
i have a terrifying glimpse of a dark future
in which I ping the care home staff about the coppery taste in my mouth
visual stream
so what they need to do is make the ironhelm push attack not a fucking l1 with a...
At least the light after a push (rather than push attack) is an l2
quaint verge
ripe quest
https://streamable.com/rh9kqh
dude
I've been in love with that
makes comboing stuff so fun
royal vortex
the full title is "grievous wounds ironhelm is awesome for ragers in the world WHERE THE L1 DOESN'T FUCKING EXIST"
coarse birch
https://streamable.com/rh9kqh
😔
ripe quest
visual stream
Darktide PS2 release?? 
ripe quest
oh also the SC thing along with No Respite is really fun
It really shows on the Lawby w/ Bulwarks
polar nexus
the problem with the ps2 i i started gaming on pc when it was released and well...
i have fond memories of ps1 tho
coarse birch
Ps2 is my entire childhood
visual stream
Zealot chat talking about enjoying ironhelm is crazy
south folio
damn fighting ragers could be fun if they were more of an individual threat
coarse birch
And n64
north sedge
Next update: we've made the l1 on ironhelm more accessible by replacing all attacks with l1
polar nexus
Ps2 is my entire childhood
i was 20 when it was released
coarse birch
damn fighting ragers could be fun if they were more of an individual threat
And if groups could be fought in a way that wasnt mf
ripe quest
damn fighting ragers could be fun if they were more of an individual threat
do not distract me from my fantasies.
coarse birch
Dodge back shoot gun
polar nexus
so my childhood was nes, megadrive and ps1
visual stream
Y'all were too busy shit talking it to enjoy it very briefly being S tier right at tree patch drop
copper hawk
south folio
do not distract me from my fantasies.
i shall let you dream
ripe quest
Though with the Crucis you actually get similar Rager stunlocking as the Chaxe
visual stream
Then they buffed elites health 
ripe quest
though you need to hit weakspots
royal vortex
north sedge
Don't worry josho is hating on it plenty
royal vortex
this is the coward's way
median steeple
south folio
they're communicating with videos of ironhelm combos
ripe quest
Ironhelm can do it fine too but I've hit to many arms
royal vortex
132 headshot maniac damage
ripe quest
mrw when the high cleave light has bad single target damage
copper hawk
all alonge .
coarse birch
Thank god for grevious
visual stream
L1's primary and arguably only worth is it being a fast sweep but meh
polar nexus
josho, i tried flechette manstopper on a ws vet yesterday, it was fine but i did have a better experience with scattershot flechette
royal vortex
mrw when the high cleave light has bad single target damage
its also a p annoying animation
frank night
https://streamable.com/rh9kqh
you must leave the psykhanium brother and see the light of day
royal vortex
it's a diagonal but its just worse in every way than a sweep heavy and u only really do it i just
fucking
played
matches
u slime
visual stream
its also a p annoying animation
A sweep attack,,, we should make it ermm swing at a 45 degree angle 
royal vortex
crab has a really good general proposal that diagonals get boosted finesse
in general
iirc
(with uppercuts getting the highest)
horizontal sweeps the lowest and so on
frank night
and so on
ripe quest
Sweeps have bad finesse, overheads have mild, diagonal has the highest or smth
frank night
what is
ripe quest
I do not recall
frank night
below the horizontals
polar nexus
crab has a really good general proposal that diagonals get boosted finesse
so h1 hsword 7?
royal vortex
push
royal vortex
so h1 hsword 7?
yea
polar nexus
he's a real 7 stan
ripe quest
It's so weird having to argue that the Mk VII Hsword isn't objectively the worst and then like a week later people use it for "scooping"
visual stream
Silent burster omw to medicae, day ruined
polar nexus
i was using the 7 back in march when everyone was a 9 stan
glad i invested
same with crushers 😄
visual stream
Silent burster omw to medicae, day ruined
Wait hold on did it spawn on top of me? There was nothing there while I looked to check the angle three seconds prior 💀
neat geyser
Silent burster omw to medicae, day ruined
and people call you a cheater when you use spidey sense lol
royal vortex
It's so weird having to argue that the Mk VII Hsword isn't objectively the worst...
ppl had brainrot for a while and thought the 9 was the only good one
south folio
it might've come from that corridor to the right
royal vortex
i have been in the trenches many times
trying to explain that the differences between hswords are far less pronounced than ppl think they are most of the time
ripe quest
south folio
the one leading to the stairs on the 2nd floor
south folio
burster audio is pretty sus yeah
frank night
stop posting arcotash's runescape server
meager turret
I had a single silent burster wipe our entire squad recently
south folio
you know, it does put a smile on my face to see somebody else with the same graphics posting videos
meager turret
frank night
were u all kissing and cuddling
coarse birch
we should all just butcher our graphics when we post clips
south folio
were u all kissing and cuddling
of course
visual stream
Does anyone here play Rounds
frank night
not you piglet
coarse birch
so zealot chat is just full of ps1 clips
ripe quest
ppl had brainrot for a while and thought the 9 was the only good one
No people were saying the VI was better for elites and the IX was better for crowds at the time of the argument. I saw a weird video showing it so I looked into it and VII handles some elites better than the VI but they're like, literally so similar.
coarse birch
i have not noticed a difference
in playing any of them
in terms of performance that is
royal vortex
No people were saying the VI was better for elites and the IX was better for cro...
me when i make the one distinction between two variants a flipped moveset
frank night
i'll side with somebody and say that the differences are probably pretty damn small
polar nexus
trying to explain that the differences between hswords are far less pronounced t...
first result in april
north sedge
Hsword xv is way cooler
royal vortex
also i recently re-learned the hsword special staggers bulwarks and ragers
frank night
and that trying to make some massive lecture on optimising the swords is a sympton of metachasing only present in the chronically unloved
ripe quest
They're pretty minor yeah. The IX is noticeably worse at elites but like, so womp womp since it has upsides too. They all have the same carapace performance too with special block cancels
polar nexus
in terms of performance that is
at that point the only difference will come from skill
coarse birch
also i recently re-learned the hsword special staggers bulwarks and ragers
crushers too
on headshot
polar nexus
also i recently re-learned the hsword special staggers bulwarks and ragers
i discovered you could proce executor and uncanny with a knife punch
ripe quest
dude why are bulwarks so weird in solo-hosted lobbies
royal vortex
lmao
south folio
if only that was how it worked 🥲
south folio
usually when they're not yet alert right
i've popped some open from afar with a brauto
go away mittins
frank night
https://streamable.com/rjqcwu
a young josho makes his way to school in a red state
royal vortex
lmfao
south folio
my pitbull doesn't bite
frank night
what is there to bite
royal vortex
toddlers
frank night
u ghoul
ripe quest
The dodge one does so probs
coarse birch
josho whats your main horde clear combo with ironhelm? seems like i can do heavy heavy light and then just heavy light repeating or just normal light heavy
south folio
hmm
ripe quest
The timings are different though
south folio
something that i'll have to keep in mind to dunk on plogryns even more
royal vortex
heavy heavy light heavy repeat
generally
or u do a push attack
sometimes
then heavy light blablabla
coarse birch
ok
i was just seeing if there was a way to avoid l1
but it seems like i can only delay it
ripe quest
H1 H2 bc
lusty turtle
dude why are bulwarks so weird in solo-hosted lobbies
why are you running the game on a ps1
spare dome
sprint cancel
polar nexus
the age of the ironhelm is coming
spare dome
lmao ps1 wishes it could have blobs that round
polar nexus
in a few weeks everybody will rock one
south folio
why are you running the game on a ps1
i stand in solidarity with exhil
ripe quest
why are you running the game on a ps1
Skeleton you have asked before
polar nexus
what's the next trend Exhil?
ripe quest
like 300 fps
south folio
wtf
ripe quest
and no input delay
coarse birch
also I forgot you could do this
dudes fighting ganon from oot
going under the legs and avoiding everything
fucked up
polar nexus
and no input delay
i have a friend that played quake 3 like that
frank night
josho whats your main horde clear combo with ironhelm? seems like i can do heavy...
he slides uncontrollably into the horde while screaming about rubber banding and gets downed
ripe quest
what's the next trend Exhil?
I've been pushing for Agri Revolver, Agri Shotgun, and certain niche blessings but other than that I have an NDA I have to follow
royal vortex
he slides uncontrollably into the horde while screaming about rubber banding and...
i was POSSESSED
coarse birch
josho would never
royal vortex
it also pulled me off a fkin ledge thats unpathable
which was just the funniest shit ever
frank night
we have seen the image yes
royal vortex
actually murdered by netcode
ripe quest
I'd actually love it if Skullcrusher became a commonly used 2nd blessing on Ironhelm it'd be so funny
exotic portal
lusty turtle
actually murdered by netcode
the usualy excuse 
frank night
ime rubber banding broooooooo
royal vortex
victim blaming
frank night
point to the rubber bands in this image
zinc talon
buoyant pecan
Beautiful
median steeple
this is what happens when you only work legs
ripe quest
The hidden Fatshark employee in my computer (conveniently named the AI Spawn Director) increasing my ping for 3 frames to 1k+ just as a disabler targets me (I will be laughed at later by the darktide discord)
ripe quest
lusty turtle
The hidden Fatshark employee in my computer (conveniently named the AI Spawn Dir...
My lawyers have told me to inform you I had nothing to do with these events
royal vortex
not uploaded
frank night
not uploaded
polar nexus
I've been pushing for Agri Revolver, Agri Shotgun, and certain niche blessings b...
what's the agri rev setup you recommend?
torn stream
faint cape
lusty turtle
As much as i also want to post the cat missile, try not to just spam gifs please
placid fiber
How are you all doing? Me and my wife went and got ourself a cat since our landlord approved us getting one. :3
royal vortex
mald about the ironhelm instead
ripe quest
what's the agri rev setup you recommend?
I enjoy Surgical + Hand-Cannon like normal but Crucian instead of Surgical is fun with a combo melee weapon.
lusty turtle
How are you all doing? Me and my wife went and got ourself a cat since our landl...
nice! got any photos of said cat?
polar nexus
if you don't magdump the revolver maybe surgical + hc could workd
spare dome
yep thats an orange
polar nexus
you won't get cleave but an faster reloading time
spare dome
if you arent magdumping the agri there's really no point
polar nexus
you just have to space your shots
placid fiber
There was 1 other cat at the shelter that I would have wanted more, but, I wasn't sure we could provide a safe place for it to live since it was almost completely blind, if not fully blind
fading vale
what's their name
placid fiber
Sahara, but, we might rename her
polar nexus
if you arent magdumping the agri there's really no point
we're trying to find fun things
placid fiber
She's only a little over 1 year old
fading vale
Nice nice
ripe quest
if you arent magdumping the agri there's really no point
ammo
placid fiber
We were told this October she would be 2 years old
ripe quest
it's fun
lusty turtle
shes adorable
spare dome
i dont find the ammo really holds up in use, but its been a while
the only thing i appreciated on the agri is the staged quickloader
and yea its fun to cowboy with
frank night
orange
placid fiber
Also: she likes the carpet near where my chair is for my computer desk.
tame mirage
my creature
zinc talon
exotic portal
zinc talon
lusty turtle
my creature
long snoot
exotic portal
polar nexus
there's a lack of dogs
zinc talon
please read the server rules before posting
it is clearly stated that dogs, in fact, drool
while it is the cat that rules
exotic portal
royal vortex
@ripe quest oh my god
im being trolled
h3 into activated light chains to l2
but not back to h3
zinc talon
ornate bone
Lol lmao
polar nexus
h3 into activated light chains to l2
ironhelm?
ripe quest
but not back to h3
Yeah that's a bit rough lol
zinc talon
@ornate bone
ripe quest
What only having 2 lights does to a combo chain
vocal pulsar
he is doing malding testing
polar nexus
man that's why i had the worst experience doing heavies and a special after then
royal vortex
u cant even be funny and do activated l1 l2 h3
ripe quest
Activated attacks reset the combos afterwards from what I can tell.
zinc talon
royal vortex
maddening
polar nexus
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914161923334214/1150682845107470407...
pallas cat
royal vortex
this weapon is fkin trolling me
ripe quest
<@239404785453760512> oh my god
I think the closest you can get is L1 L2 activated H3 loop
median steeple
exotic portal
I think the closest you can get is L1 L2 activated H3 loop
Or adapting to the enviroment
median steeple
brrrrb wwahs
royal vortex
I think the closest you can get is L1 L2 activated H3 loop
for ragers it's quicker to do l1 to stagger and then activated h2 to finish them off
ripe quest
Or adapting to the enviroment
That doesn't change how combos chain
zinc talon
exotic portal
That doesn't change how combos chain
I don't need to combo
zinc talon
MPRURS FNST
exotic portal
ripe quest
non-argument moment
ripe quest
for ragers it's quicker to do l1 to stagger and then activated h2 to finish them...
uuh nuh uh l1 l2 base H3
royal vortex
works on flak ragers kind of but u only need the l2 anyways
zinc talon
royal vortex
l1 l2 activated h3 does work on maulers
ripe quest
for maniac ragers its a lil more pain
skullcrusher keeps winning
vocal pulsar
skullcrusher keeps winning
this dude really got the arco graphics
ripe quest
Hold on mr. dreg rager let me just charge up my V2 hammer overhead rq
zinc talon
the crusher is weeping silent tears at your toil
polar nexus
skullcrusher keeps winning
meanwhile you're chipped to death by the horde around you
exotic portal
spare dome
https://streamable.com/1s2tr3
right in the achilles heel
exotic portal
Devs cooking atm?
median steeple
ok melk
ripe quest
It's so sad I have to min-max damage for this one
north sedge
Well the heel is vulnerable because the rest of achilles got dipped in gold, according to stan
fleet zealot
https://tenor.com/view/knife-anime-trick-gif-6163729
median steeple
the emperor of mankind
ripe quest
World's deadliest ankle fracture
fleet zealot
World's deadliest ankle fracture
he didn't get nurgle blessed there
so it brought back all his pain receptors and killed him from shock
ripe quest
can't do this with a crusher
zinc talon
zinc talon
zinc talon
can't do this with a crusher
I cannot
but I can do that to a crusher
and to everything else except specifically field bosses
ripe quest
also if I include activated attacks I'm sure I could like 1-2 shot each elite because it's a thammer
solar gorge
you 1 shot every elite with activated thammer heavies no ?
zinc talon
my rule is I only activate on either the very first opening gambit to ragdoll them or if I have the time to sneak one in while they're getting onto their feet, either or
the less you activate with the crusher the more effective you are to all but the extreme example
indigo quartz
you 1 shot every elite with activated thammer heavies no ?
crushers are rough
meanwhile ogyrn/vet shovel heehoo
maulers can be too
zinc talon
fuckin poop shovels I swear to christ
indigo quartz
ogyrn be like
exotic portal
indigo quartz
kills 3 crushers with 1 activated attacj
zinc talon
indigo quartz
anyone have that clip
exotic portal
you can still 1 tap crushers if you force a crit
If i run cara instead of unyielding i one tap crushers with my Thammer/staggered blessing
Thunder strike or what not
exotic portal
Haven't swapped Thammers since, 1 year or so
exotic portal
imagine having to chastise to kill a singular crusher
Run.
solar gorge
you get 2 chastise and with crit cdr it's back in no time anyway
solar gorge
thammer crits yes or no
just not when activated
that's what i think i haven't looked into it
zinc talon
this is my personal lidl gitgud warmup routine
how quickly, can you do a circle around the psyk killing everything in sequence
that I think is the true test of a weapon's output
fleet zealot
that doesn't test density tbh
zinc talon
I suppose but it's a crusher, it can aoe
exotic portal
Torrent rifle on cara
zinc talon
density becomes less of an issue
exotic portal
matrix meme would be nice now.
wraith helm
I suppose but it's a crusher, it can aoe
Crusher with an axe head
we will never get a power axe 
zinc talon
we will not.
solar gorge
crusher as the best moveset of any weapon in the game
sharp zodiac
Erhm actually dueling sword smh
solar gorge
dueling sword's moveset isn't as enjoyable sorry
solar gorge
it's just stab stab stab stab stab
sharp zodiac
Your bloodline was boiled into my ancestors soup
zinc talon
I'm beginning to start to take the first steps into thinking they're not even working that hard on the chainfist I was promised
much less a power axe
solar gorge
1200284 dmg to mutants on heavies
exotic portal
And your bloodline
solar gorge
because fuxk u
zinc talon
the last time I talked to fatshark from the parking lot with a megaphone
I was assured they were hard at work on the chainfist I've asked for
solar gorge
dueling sword's gonna eat a nerf so bad
zinc talon
don't worry, go home, we'll let you be the first to test it, they said
wraith helm
Erhm actually dueling sword smh
Deimos probably has more satisfying stabs
solar gorge
psykers gonna weep
exotic portal
dueling sword's gonna eat a nerf so bad
lazy weapon but...
zinc talon
the saltz rapier knockoff can be a lil unoriginal I guess
the other two, nobody knows, because nobody's used them, ever
sharp zodiac
Deimos is like the rat that hopped into the deepfrier and became my dinner
That's why warp rat hasn't been seen
zinc talon
...you put it down your throat?
zinc talon
solar gorge
which sword is getting the best head
exotic portal
wraith helm
Deimos is like the rat that hopped into the deepfrier and became my dinner
What does this even mean
solar gorge
<:beboS:588472332780175422> What does this even mean
they have dementia
sharp zodiac
solar gorge
exotic portal
ember yew
New Warhammer mod for World War Z looks pretty good
||tho i should really try 3rd person for fun||
median steeple
exotic portal
Maincoon
median steeple
quiet large
solar gorge
exotic portal
fleet zealot
chonk vs chonkiest
zinc talon
and here we see for the court's pleasure
the scientific distinction between chunk and chonk
exotic portal
and here we see for the court's pleasure
median steeple
That's a big noodle
fleet zealot
domestic ferrets can range from 1.5 lbs to over 5.5 pounds
they are dimorphic so males are usually bigger than females, but it is also genetic
ripe jewel
Finally reached level 30. Are my talents good? I use thunder hammer + Zarona
fleet zealot
also, ferrets, domestic or wild, weasels, stoats and polecats all do wardancing
and it is a sign of happiness, usually when they caught their prey or when domesticated, just being happy
exotic portal
Finally reached level 30. Are my talents good? I use thunder hammer + Zarona
Out fishing?
fleet zealot
Finally reached level 30. Are my talents good? I use thunder hammer + Zarona
i'd def put points in thy wrath be swift
hammer doesn't like having the swings interrupted
drop the momentum toughness talent and the node below punishment
and grab thy wrath be swift below throwing knife
fleet zealot
Finally reached level 30. Are my talents good? I use thunder hammer + Zarona
here is what i'd use personally
hammer doesn't spend a lot of time just sprinting and your nromal stam bar is usually enough
exotic portal
here is what i'd use personally
With a Thammer, you might aswell just run a nade
fleet zealot
top middle talents give great ranged bonuses and the unyielding damage is sick
melee damage on stam depletion is also a weird pick, I went down holy revenant instead cause the death save is strong
fleet zealot
With a Thammer, you might aswell just run a nade
if you can stomach spamming heavies with crucis you don't need a nade
boring, but it gets teh job done
sterile dune
any tips on running evisc? I feel like I do fine and it's got a lot of survability, but I don't feel like I have a huge impact on the game
ripe jewel
I just don't really know how rare some of the situations are
fleet zealot
any tips on running evisc? I feel like I do fine and it's got a lot of survabili...
which one
and what kinda build, crit or non crit
sterile dune
I know kill count and dmg isn't the end all be all. I run the xv
fleet zealot
if you are feeling too survability and low game impact, i'm worried you are running momentum (blessing, not talent) and/or relic crit cdr
sterile dune
I do have momentum right now because I haven't unlocked a better one, I'm running blazing piety also
sterile dune
fleet zealot
that would do it, evi doesnt' scale well with crits
exotic portal
if you are feeling too survability and low game impact, i'm worried you are runn...
Prob better off running wound build & going for just a flesh wound penance
ripe jewel
@fleet zealot What kind of gun do you use? I feel like the reload speed perk is necessary. Zarona is so slow
indigo quartz
crafting momentum
sterile dune
martyrdom maybe?
fleet zealot
and going blazing piety without shred is a pain
indigo quartz
shred works fine on MK15
fleet zealot
martyrdom maybe?
momentum would work just fine
fleet zealot
swap in shred or bloodthirsty
fleet zealot
<@301217938306760704> What kind of gun do you use? I feel like the reload speed ...
mk3 headhunter
sterile dune
momentum would be fun for sure
I don't have bloodthirsty or shred yet, I'll start the mat grind to unlock lol
fleet zealot
martyrdom is kinda niche so i don't like recomnending it cause it is just a tankier but harder to pull off vs of momentum
sterile dune
makes sense. I would like the manueverability of momentum also
fleet zealot
bit odd choice to run mk3 headhunter and it is blessing reliant as hell
but deadly accurate 4+ headhunter 4= a gun that can pop down crushers
cause it crits per burst (3 bullets)
exotic portal
martyrdom is kinda niche so i don't like recomnending it cause it is just a tank...
Tried wound build vs momentum as i usually run, you dodge into air trying to heavy attack..
makes for new gameplay but..
fleet zealot
but even if you crit, your 2nd and 3rd bullet can proc headhunter still
exotic portal
adapting..
fleet zealot
which is 40% bonus crit chance minimum
install fullauto mod if you hate burstfire or just want to save your fingers
i wishedd taco bell put more chipotle sauce on things
ripe jewel
What's the difference between uninterruptible and immunity to stun?
exotic portal
What's the difference between uninterruptible and immunity to stun?
Stagger
fleet zealot
What's the difference between uninterruptible and immunity to stun?
twbs is always active and works against ranged attacks
indigo quartz
uninterruptible is your swing animation won't get interrupted
immunity to stun means you can't get staggered period
gunfire
twin-grenades
fleet zealot
punishment interruptible just means your swing can't be stopped
indigo quartz
boss plasmga gun
fleet zealot
but you don't take punsihment for unstoppable
indigo quartz
none of that can stop you
north sedge
the big difference is that twbs is always active
fleet zealot
you take it cause it lets you stagger ragers with your normal horde clear usually
so even vs large packs mixed in with horde
you can just keep swinging and stay safe
exotic portal
ripe jewel
So i guess both are necessary
north sedge
NO
fleet zealot
(punishment is dependant on the weapon tho so I'd test a few games)
north sedge
no they are not
fleet zealot
you cand rop punishment