oh my god
#zealot-class
coarse birch
yeah that ones like fine
royal vortex
i am not a fan of stagger immune disablers in any way
coarse birch
although dogs can be a little funky with it
royal vortex
but elite res was just worse in every way
coarse birch
where pushing does nothing without +impact something
ripe quest
i am not a fan of stagger immune disablers in any way
I feel like it could be a bit better with what enemies are blessed.
coarse birch
probs just elites/bosses
cause doing it to poxwalkers is w/e
and doing it to disablers is annoying
ripe quest
mhm
coarse birch
as josho said
rigid trellis
blessed ragers and disablers can be pretty scary
ripe quest
also
rigid trellis
but since the trapper nerf to their stagger threshold while charging the net recently they aren't as bad
since you can stagger them out of it while they're blessed now
ripe quest
coarse birch
i remember one time i couldnt kill one and then on like its 5th straight try it trapped me
i was so mad
royal vortex
coarse birch
i saw this clip coming lol
polar nexus
i wish we had snow
woeful oyster
With decreased movement speed
ripe quest
Happens sometimes when a special targets someone and they get a status change so they target you point blank with 0 telegraph
royal vortex
the best is when a fkin dog turns around
and is facing away from u
and just pounces anyways
polar nexus
that trapper was hiding behind/inside the gunner...
royal vortex
that trapper was hiding behind/inside the gunner...
the most devious shit ever conceived
3 different enemy types conspiring to ruin my game
polar nexus
With decreased movement speed
more slide speed!
woeful oyster
Extendo slide
polar nexus
man they should have done a winter condition for xmas
fleet zealot
Holyshit im goku
woeful oyster
I mean, looking at Atoma from the MS, idk if there's snow on the whole planet.
polar nexus
well, a good ole nuclear winter
woeful oyster
ashes instead of snow
polar nexus
ok
woeful oyster
That would work and it's grim enough
median steeple
go go gadget
woeful oyster
Finally on the homestretch, after these it's just purge the heretic.
acoustic jolt
Wish there were more espionage missons 
woeful oyster
If they didn't put 8 raids or strikes on the board at once it wouldn't be an issue.
ripe jewel
What's the best pistol for zealot? Someone said it's better than a boltgun
woeful oyster
Shredder auto can do work as well
ripe jewel
Is Zarona better than the boltgun? It feels wrong to play with a thunder hammer and a pistol, i love the boltgun but it's really slow
coarse birch
yes
revo is like
considerably better
they are almost not comparable
on zealot
rigid trellis
I'd even say the zarona revolver and plasma gun are the best guns in the game atm
neat hatch
my teammate on auric 
ripe jewel
I guess i will save the boltgun for my veteran then
ripe jewel
Is that the revolver with quickfire?
rigid trellis
nah that's the agripinna or whatever
north sedge
sorta vinegary? it wasn't bad but not something i'd seek out either
coarse birch
vinegary egg sounds not great
north sedge
it
it's not a strong flavor
and that's the best way to describe it...there was other things going on there
usually it's mixed into congee or something and i think you wouldn't taste it super strongly there
i just had a piece of it with some soy sauce and something else splashed on it, can't remember exactly
friend kinda gave everyone a bit as a semi-dare last year at new years but we were mostly just fine with it
coarse birch
i cant say ive ever had congee but that sounds decent
ripe quest
I feel like it'd be a thing I gag about prior but it wouldn't be that bad
coarse birch
yeah it might be something that if i ate blind id be less opposed to
cursive hazel
What is a half century egg? 0_0
polar nexus
but yeah revo is just better
bolter on zealot is more like a big shotgun that can snipe
north sedge
Chinese delicacy
cursive hazel
Is it just an old egg?
coarse birch
i have one thats just for bosses and crushers
cerulean moth
Old egg. Preserved for like a week
polar nexus
revo does'nt open bul or eath crushers/bosses
coarse birch
when im running hsword or something
coarse birch
and then tknives so that i can still kill shit fast at range
when im in melee or something
where i need faster drawspeed than bolter
cerulean moth
Throwing knifes are super good like A tier, just sucks the two other options are S+ lol
polar nexus
tknidea?
north sedge
cerulean moth
Imma be real when your one the the longest lived civilisations in history your gonna end up with some bangers.
full nebula
this have any potential?
cerulean moth
And dogshit
full nebula
something i rolled
cerulean moth
Century eggs? Firmly in the dogshit pile
Put on thrust instead of head taker
Replace sprint efficiency with unyelding
And it’ll do you pre well
WAIT
NO
Get rid of trauma
Not head taker
I’m a dumbass
ripe quest
@fading vale If you ever get the chance could you test a standard Thammer but with Skullcrusher instead of HT/Slaught? I want another opinion.
north sedge
I had one back in the day
Replacing it with slaughterer was an improvement, but this was old slaughterer
ripe quest
It's super on-paper and would require some coordination but you might be able to 1 shot bosses w/ Fury if you have Skullcrusher
stable cypress
Century egg probs still tastes better than corpse starch
ripe quest
Entirely experimental though, trying to go outside the box on this.
polar nexus
that sounds like ogryntech
north sedge
Would be finicky to apply i would think
ripe quest
mhm
north sedge
Wouldn't even be worth it really
polar nexus
hmm i forgot chastise is also staggering the target
ripe quest
Well, on top of the maybe? 1 shot thing it should be better than Slaught for crowd clear.
Lots of on-paper rn though
polar nexus
you could go bp hammer and have the bleed from the crits powered up by skullcrusher
:?/
polar nexus
that's ogryntech
north sedge
You lose one shot bps on basic stuff like bruisers without slaughterer
wintry prairie
Is this MK IV any better than my MK XII? Running on Zealot with Fury of the Faithful and Inexoable Judgement (Including Invocation of Death).
ripe quest
You lose one shot bps on basic stuff like bruisers without slaughterer
You can hit it with Keystone buffs up
Martyr would probs be easiest, just intentionally drop to like 2 stacks of Martyr
ripe quest
Is this MK IV any better than my MK XII? Running on Zealot with **Fury of the Fa...
That Mk XII is pretty solid save for the pen being low and HT T3. The Mk IV is stuck at a 4/5 due to bad blessings and +unarmored.
I would def save your coins and just aim for a different Mk IV.
zinc talon
love that image you linked yesterday Ex
polar nexus
exhil, please do tell what's the idea behind skullcrusher on thammer
ripe quest
I don't recommend it since it's still being tested but the idea is better crowd damage + synergy with anything CC related.
ripe quest
@north sedge Bruiser clear time is on par to Slaught from base and if you stun them prior it's like 40% faster.
polar nexus
does running hammer of faith would help?
ripe quest
Probs would just grab Punishment.
Not sure if the other +impact talents would help too much.
long sluice
Can any experienced zealot tell me wtf is the ideal way to deal with beast of nurgle
faint cape
ambuscade columnus
north sedge
Depends on build/loadout
faint cape
other than that pray it doesn't target you and got to town on the weakspot
north sedge
Shoot the yellow bit is the general idea, mouth if you can't get behind
If hammer, hammer the yellow bit
vestal spade
Can any experienced zealot tell me wtf is the ideal way to deal with beast of nu...
flamer magdump into it and then charge and chainaxe or thammer it in the big yellow blob
north sedge
<@714244267786240030> Bruiser clear time is on par to Slaught from base and if y...
How much cleave do you lose?
long sluice
flamer magdump into it and then charge and chainaxe or thammer it in the big yel...
if you melee it's really dangerous, the tail swipe can knock you back into a terrible spot/off ledge. Do you get one attack and get out? Or do you try to attack->block->attack and stay in.
vestal spade
if you melee it's really dangerous, the tail swipe can knock you back into a ter...
charge in and dodge out when it swipes. dont stand with your back to an abyss
long sluice
ok just need to get rythm down I guess, if using chain weapon you can get one charged attack then swipe is 100% coming asap.
faint cape
yeah the slug pretty much immediatly readies a slam if you get close
vestal spade
ok just need to get rythm down I guess, if using chain weapon you can get one ch...
boosters help a lot too. with damage boost you can hit some insane numbers with thammer and chaxe
faint cape
got crucis as a drop with thrust 4
you are today's lucky winner of the Emperor's gacha
ripe quest
How much cleave do you lose?
Pretty decent amount in fairness. Without slaught heavies are 16.5, with slaught it's 23.1.
vestal spade
with the ability cdr booster you can charge a few times quickly
full nebula
anyone have a good build for the crucis? lol
honestly i kinda rolled it on a one off, just because the base was relatively high
vestal spade
i personally dont like thammers. they are so clunky and slow and i like having dodges
ripe quest
Judgement's dodges with Thammer are pretty solid.
The reset delay buff helps a good bit.
ripe quest
This is generally the one that I recommend: #zealot-class message
median steeple
hungary has been destroyed
ripe quest
rest in pieces
opaque island
that 20% on backstab at the top made me go from half hitting a captain to 1 shotting them
it makes a huge difference for the bonk
long sluice
does anyone know with white weapons from brunt, do they need to be a certain rating to consecrate t4 blessings?
polar nexus
I had t4 on low base and t3 on 380
But well, if you have to upgrade something, try to use a high base. You may have a good weapon in the end
ripe quest
@north sedge Ironhelm with Thrust + SC and a stun or general CC prior will out-compete a Chainsword for horde clear.
This meme idea is forming
north sedge
Doing specials i assume
ripe quest
mhm
With Crucis you can get kinda close, for reference a Chainsword is 8.54 in a pox50, Crucis I got the lowest with a 9.52, Ironhelm hit 7.95
polar nexus
Chain sword is so reliable ❤️
north sedge
Fwiw crab was testing weakspot stagger node and it particularly messed with ragers with ease, might go well with your sc funk
Like regular lights were enough
ripe quest
Dude those nodes are so funny with certain enemies yeah
I don't remember what it was but you could bully them with just pushes
lmao yeah
v funny
WAIT
No respite
holy shit hold on
north sedge
It is odd that it works like that but slaughterer/thrust stacks is not enough to break rager combos
dense field
Crab lives
ripe quest
It works with an Agri too
Kinda works with Lasguns as well, if they had a faster pullout it'd be cooler.
Aight so I'm def using Ironhelm for this to make comboing insane
I might even try running Agri Revolver with it but the Laspistols and Shotguns just kinda seem really potent with it.
ripe jewel
Holy shit zarona is so good
My gameplay is so much better now after choosing zarona over the boltgun
Best weapon in the game
rigid trellis
should see the shit plasma gun does
zinc talon
rigid trellis
it's so good that it gives veterans brain rot
zinc talon
Gangreneus
rigid trellis
but yeah zarona is amazing, I'd say too good with hand cannon and surgical together
ripe quest
ripe jewel
I feel like i need that reload speed perk, but besides that, it's perfect
ripe quest
On the Zarona you can do this, slower fire speed in general but you'll get sustained hits out and still have the extra 4 shots to burst something if needed.
ripe quest
That's what the Agri is for, despite it's shortcomings.
ripe jewel
Yeah, it looks way cooler
zealous basin
zinc talon
zealous basin
ripe quest
zinc talon
median steeple
Burg atgac
zinc talon
zealous basin
guys i fucked up
a different hot girl asked me to hang out after that other one delayed
zealous basin
im going to do something catastrophic i can feel it
zinc talon
are you single or involved
zinc talon
then let both know you're talking to both
zealous basin
absolutely not
zinc talon
nothing makes a gal want you like another gal wanting you
they won't screw you cuz they want to, they'll screw you so the other one knows they got to you first
zinc talon
absolutely not
if you're young, single, and out to meet and mingle
zealous basin
also to be clear im already in with both
zinc talon
you need to communicate the relative caliber of the people you're mingling with
zealous basin
like weve kissed at least
zinc talon
having hot friends makes you hotter
zinc talon
you're a youngin, aint ya
zealous basin
young is relative
objectively yes i am young but im old enough for discord users to call me a boomer
zinc talon
I just mean you're approaching it like, to talk to one is somehow being dishonest with the other
zealous basin
oh no its not a dishonesty thing
zinc talon
you're single and free, you could fuck both in the same day for all the restraints you have on yourself is all I'm saying
zealous basin
we aint exclusive im chilling
its a setting myself up for future drama thing
whatever thats tomorrow flips problem
zinc talon
heh
future drama makes the future interesting and a lil potentially dangerous
btw don't fuck both on the same day, that's a horrible decision
what you do is get a third and fuck one friday, saturday, and sunday for the hat trick achievement unlock
zealous basin
btw don't fuck both on the same day, that's a horrible decision
wednesday is 3 days away dont worry
okay update so 2nd girl has been in the bathroom for 10 minutes and a 3rd hot girl just came up and introduced herself
???? i dont understand ????
girls can literally smell other girls interest its wild
spare talon
brought crusher build into auric accidentally
i sometimes forget that dclaw is actually a very low damage weapon by comparison
should i go back to parry gaming or continue crusher gaming
ripe quest
i sometimes forget that dclaw is actually a very low damage weapon by comparison
I'm sure you can wring some more performance out of the DClaw. I believe in you
Also it should be better than Crusher for at the very least Fodder and Scab Bruisers.
Maybe even Dreg Ragers but not mega sure.
median steeple
https://tenor.com/view/sauron-lordof-the-rings-smash-hit-swing-gif-4849903
Me defending my home from FBI agents (girl scouts)
spare talon
spare talon
Add me on waredframe
waredframe
ivory marlin
Waredframe
spare talon
wire frame
ivory marlin
Erm what the flip
spare talon
Erm what the flip
did you get it
ivory marlin
Idk im not on rn
spare talon
what the freak dude
ivory marlin
Hold on let me hop on and check
Its 2 am and my mouse, keyboard, and headset are blinding me
tulip valve
spare talon
Its 2 am and my mouse, keyboard, and headset are blinding me
apparently according to alecaframe, you dont want puncture
probably to increase weighting to slash
ivory marlin
i dont have the kuva to reroll that mf
spare talon
spare talon
that link displays my amount
ivory marlin
yeah i didnt want to change the chat i had open just to link kuva
ember yew
that link displays my amount
Soulframe when
i think i got 1k+ hours in Warframe, but that was back in 2013-2015
too late to go back
long sluice
guys what is the best revolver?
ember yew
mk2
rigid trellis
zarona
ember yew
handcannon / surgical
zealous basin
pax trueshot
spare talon
guys what is the best revolver?
Agrip for style
Zarona for results
polar nexus
Agrip for style
Zarona for results
Truth
obtuse stirrup
guys what is the best revolver?
Both are good but Zarona tends to be more useful especially for Zealot due to its incredible cleave
long sluice
ok thx guys, I mostly want the best one for sniping elites when I need to.
polar nexus
zarona
long sluice
ty
obtuse stirrup
ok thx guys, I mostly want the best one for sniping elites when I need to.
100% Zarona
Or throwing knives if you feel spicy
dark zealot
that link displays my amount
Kuva!
mystic shale
only better because it's faster
our weak human arms are too slow to heft the boltgun's mighty frame
abstract quail
Why is crucian roulette considered good
Compared to point blank
Constant 20% assuming you can kill a single trash vs 0, 6, 12, 18, 24 which resets on reload
rigid trellis
because you don't have to melee kill something to get the crit chance
don't have to kill anything to get the crit chance really
and because of the new revolver, your crit chance is gonna go up rather quickly if you use the fanning technique
mystic shale
yeah, crucian averages to 12% crit overall assuming you're emptying the mag each time before reloading
if you are killing something in melee between each shot then point blank is better, but you'd have to be doing that on ~60% of your revolver shots to be equal to crucian
whic might be true, depends how you use it 🤷♂️
modern lintel
1mill ordo and 10k plastell a small price to pay cor t4 thrust
dense field
junior vortex
I lost because I used it.
slow galleon
Heavy sword supremacy
junior vortex
Someone getting mad I am using controller despite they literally died themselves
Like they died more then me
In most fights I was the last one standing.
I might need to tweak my build
slow galleon
Sir I’m gonna have to call the yap police
umbral kindle
I lost because I used it.
A poor workman blames his tools (skill issue) 
junior vortex
Not the tools just my body is weak.
My flesh is weak not the sword.
I mean it's a brand new build that I haven't adapted to yet.
To be honest I think my build just needs some tweaking.
long sluice
wow this by far my fav weapon so far, parrying ragers is so OP
dense field
It's fun
junior vortex
Can someone help me rate my build and improve nothing harsh just improvements?
dense field
sure
junior vortex
I got to take two screen shots because I am console.
fading vale
hsword is one of the best weapons in the game, maybe yours isn't built correctly
dense field
jesus
fading vale
yeah that build has several issues
fading vale
number 1, you have no toughness generator
junior vortex
My weapon of choice.
long sluice
good thing you asked, that build is a mess 🙂
fading vale
what's the bottom look like
cerulean moth
You don't need toughness gen if ur just a god bro
obtuse stirrup
I wonder because I am using pistol and heavy sword
What kind of heresy is this talent tree
long sluice
haha
obtuse stirrup
You need to pray to be enlightened by the wisdom of the Emperor
I mean, blazing Piety and Fury of the Faithful are great for heavy sword at least
Keep those
But the early tree stuff, woof
fading vale
let's see I could throw something together real quick, can you show your hsword
junior vortex
obtuse stirrup
That random point going left after firebombs
junior vortex
It's not the worst perks I think it's skill tree.
obtuse stirrup
Also I would strongly recommend changing to Zarona revolver
fading vale
that hsword should be good enough overall, the cleave is sus and I would recommend deathblow but it should be serviceable
yeah the zarona is gonna be way better
obtuse stirrup
Headtaker/rampage is the old meta for it
It's still as good as it used to be (better even from the rampage buffs)
Even if Deathblow is better
fading vale
ok first question
obtuse stirrup
A headtaker/rampage sword will do absolutely fine
junior vortex
Eh the revolver isn't the worst. It's the sword
fading vale
do you want fire nades
junior vortex
I mean to be honest I don't think they are helping.
obtuse stirrup
They can be really good for this build
fading vale
fire nades are great for mixed elite packs and bulwarks
obtuse stirrup
I used to run Stun grenades
dense field
Eh the revolver isn't the worst. It's the sword
The sword is the most sane part of your build tbh
obtuse stirrup
But I find the fire ones do more work for me
dense field
Maybe it's uncomfortable to use on a controller, idk
obtuse stirrup
They let you be in two places at once effectively
junior vortex
If I want to use it it's better for a stealth build
The nades with hounds chasing you.
obtuse stirrup
I wouldn't take middle aura
I think you get better skills by going left aura
Middle aura is great in itself but from what I remember the nodes going into it are terrible
junior vortex
I have a shotgun
obtuse stirrup
OK Tali
obtuse stirrup
But seriously Agri shotgun isn't bad but Zarona revolver is completely fills out an extra role in your kit
dense field
how about Judgement?
obtuse stirrup
Just think, you're in the centre of a 10-thick blob of poxwalkers and somebody pings a sniper 100m away
fading vale
yeah that one is for if you want crits
fading vale
I mean all the shotguns 2 shot snipers max
dense field
obtuse stirrup
Agripinaa revolver, and the shotguns, don't
fading vale
this is a good option too, I'd swap good balance for attack speed and swift for CDR though
obtuse stirrup
so here's a potential build
This is more or less my build
dense field
momentum gives plenty attack speed
obtuse stirrup
Although I like Duelist too much
fading vale
good balance is fine, just depends if you need extra survivability
oh, I'd swap good balance to duellist yeah
not attack speed
obtuse stirrup
Fury of the Faithful being charged up every 5 seconds by spamming crits is survivability :D
dense field
Duelist sounds good
obtuse stirrup
Sometimes my heavy sword doesn't one-shot Mutants, so forcing it with a dodge and Duelist makes it a guarantee.
junior vortex
It is good but the aura you get from it sucks.
At least going down that part of the tree.
fading vale
I mean the corruption aura doesn't really do anything unless you are fighting twins
and loner doesn't really do anything either unless you are stealth memeing
obtuse stirrup
Loner is great for stealth memeing though tbf
fading vale
the best talents are above the TDR aura
obtuse stirrup
Just so long as you're sticking to the same room as your team it's k
fading vale
regardless either of those builds will both make your survivability waaaaay better
so you can get in there and smack shit
obtuse stirrup
Just remember, Zealot's whole shtick is "local crackhead literally too angry to die"
dense field
Being near enemies aids your survival
dense field
obtuse stirrup
Hit F and live forever
dense field
When you're about to die, just don't
ember yew
Hit F and live forever
Shroudlot knife fleshtearer lacerate noises
fading vale
(pls nerf crit CDR)
ember yew
next grand patch is like
2027
i heard that scandinavian norwegian vacations are quite long
so i think 2027
fading vale
They have been silent for a while so I'd expect something that's got like, some kinda meat to it
dense field
They've been chilling
fading vale
either that or a smallish balance patch that annoyingly tweaks numbers and then next patch is large
dense field
January doesn't exist
cerulean moth
surely
ember yew
update tonight
20 new weapons, 3 new maps, one new class as paid DLC (space marine)
||trust||
cerulean moth
SURELY
fading vale
new psyker staffs? 
dense field
I expect Columnus numbers to be fixed
ember yew
new psyker staffs? <:Pogryn:1058536317883007096>
for melee psykers
fading vale
I would also expect zarona to be turned down
dense field
I don't expect tweaks, I expect fixes
ember yew
if they dont buff MK3 Autopistol, im gonna meme on it
fading vale
yeah autopistol is sad now
dense field
mk5 is just a graia with bigger RoF
cerulean moth
YOURRE sad
dense field
literally
fading vale
what is the "fix" for columnus
fading vale
dense field
It does not work as intended
fading vale
are we talking about IAG or brauto
dense field
IAG
ember yew
mk5 is iag
fading vale
fuck marks
ember yew
dense field
understandable
fading vale
the columnus IAG is cracked as hell
one of the strongest ranged in the game rn
I assumed you meant it needs to be nerfed
dense field
south folio
the bug is probably in the description though
dark zealot
since i love to share my dumpster dive (shop) weapons, i bring a shotgun this time
south folio
since the agri iag has the same damage range as well
fading vale
also the ADMs and finesse modifiers are important
lusty turtle
the columnus IAG is cracked as hell
ye im hoppin it gets more harsh range fall off and reduced unyeilding adm
south folio
well the Columnus has high ADMs at close range
fading vale
but can't say I have specifically tested the graia
fading vale
ye im hoppin it gets more harsh range fall off and reduced unyeilding adm
finesse needs to be lower, and maybe crit chains smaller
dense field
I don't test in close range
south folio
kill crit chains
lusty turtle
i'd imagine IAGs will drop to 2 like accas did
dark zealot
ngl kinda sad its not got 80 in those damage stats but high 70s and an 80 in ammo (with high mobility and stability) is a good roll for me
fading vale
it's just silly a single crit headshot does like 1000 to a gunner
or whatever number it is
granted duelist is also helping
and anoint
south folio
yeah it being the close range DPS archetype just makes it straight up the best among the IAGs in a game like this
fading vale
it's hipfire is bonkers
south folio
not brauto-pilled
frank night
south folio
in the psyk
tested https://streamable.com/rc4oef
- Both graia and columnus with the same damage% and stopping power%
- No talents taken
- No perks that affect unarmoured enemies, elites, or weakspots
- No blessings that would interfere with the results
Close: - Columnus 272
- Graia 283
Far:
- Columnus: 231
- Graia: 268
frank night
(edited)
south folio
slither away to your tunnels
keen umbra
So it's just the tooltip that's wrong then?
frank night
south folio
yup
keen umbra
Good, I love the gun too much for it to be nerfed to hell right away haha
fading vale
you could consider it like top 2 weapon on 3 classes
keen umbra
I've tried running it on all three that can use it, and weirdly it's by far the strongest on psyker
The only thing it can't do on psyker is handle crushers, which vets can with onslaught
fading vale
and it has great monstrosity DPS
dark zealot
so which lasgun are we saying is better then?
fading vale
lasgun more like sadgun
dark zealot
thats right, its the columnus mk5 iag
dense field
tested https://streamable.com/rc4oef
* Both graia and columnus with the same dam...
had to cut it because upload limits
keen umbra
and it has great monstrosity DPS
Yeah, I have +unyielding on my psyker and me and a fire stubber ogryn deleted a beast of nurgle in seconds once
south folio
yeah i expect them to be roughly the same damage at close range
because the columnus has higher ADMs at close range
also, like I said, test it at far distances
where you can see their damage falloff/ADMs differ
south folio
columnus IAG ADMs
graia IAG ADMs
and posting a video showing the damage only at close range certainly doesn't disprove what I say, especially when I've already posted a video showing the damage at a close and far distance
fading vale
Just won a game with those recommendations
dark zealot
i love randomly joining mid weapon discussion because everyone makes these logical arguments with data and examples and im still trying to figure out whos arguing what and why
south folio
erubete is saying that the columnus IAG being strong is because it's "bugged to have the graia's base damage"
which is just not true
there's a discrepancy between what the description of the damage% stat modifier says and what their actual base damage is and I don't know why
dense field
yeah i expect them to be roughly the same damage at close range
grey guns, no talents, near target 10m, far target 17m
columnus 80 damage roll, graia 53
dark zealot
erubete is saying that the columnus IAG being strong is because it's "bugged to ...
there is a bug somewhere it displays contradictory damage numbers in a few places, but i dont think a visual menu bug is that deep
though if there was a much deeper issue with the columnus mk5 it being the meta ranged option would be very funny
south folio
grey guns, no talents, near target 10m, far target 17m
what is this supposed to argue
your own video demonstrates that the graia has better damage falloff
south folio
dense field
what is this supposed to argue
That the both guns have the same base damage
dark zealot
gotta love the zoomer psykers and zealot
never trust the witch
dense field
Graia is the right video
south folio
yes i'm aware?
i literally said it has better damage falloff
e.g., the one with less variance in damage with distance
dark zealot
i found a guy with a wacky name
south folio
and none of the videos so far can show base damage because of the whacky nature of ADMs
dark zealot
and of course they are a filthy psyker
junior vortex
I love the blue stims
dark zealot
it aint hard get point blank and do the math
dense field
e.g., the one with less variance in damage with distance
I don't care about falloff damage at all
dark zealot
I love the blue stims
meth blue stims are alright i guess, i prefer the green ones
junior vortex
Not all people are math geniuses
south folio
you DO care about ADMs/falloff because weapons can have >1x ADMs
south folio
and such is the case for IAGs and especially for the columnus IAG
junior vortex
Yellow stims are so random that they don't matter.
dark zealot
Yellow stims are so random that they don't matter.
random?
south folio
my argument is that the columnus has a higher damage because of ADMs
dark zealot
got three in a row last night
south folio
and that you are severely getting mislead by what the description says
dark zealot
first three spawns all yellows
junior vortex
Yes having decent aim doesn't really make it matter.
dense field
Then shoot an unarmored body
south folio
well i shot heads
dense field
Heads
south folio
and that doesn't change the ADMs at all
alright fine i'll shoot bodyshots and approximately confirm what 100% adms with onslaught is for both weapons just to leave no room for doubt at all
frank night
bit by bit his life is drained away into getting proof from the meat grinder
dark zealot
i dont think i can really help given my inconsistent rolls
placid salmon
agri is better
dense field
no but it doesn't matter now
distant lark
Zealot bad
solar gorge
can't wait for fs to nerf the colomnus putting it on he same level as the accatrans
dense field
that's rude
sharp zodiac
can't wait for fs to nerf the colomnus putting it on he same level as the accatr...
Soon every weapon will suffer the crab effect
Except it's the accatran
dark zealot
so this is sedition, the colum then the graia
solar gorge
every weapons should get rebalanced to match the recon las's level of garbage-ness
when everything will be shit, nothing will be
dark zealot
you can see my guns have different damage rolls but the multis are vastly different yet the damage difference is so small
anoint in blood was on mb but still
south folio
columnus IAG ADMs
refer to these above images
you can see the columnus dealing roughly a third more damage to armour types than the graia at close range
dark zealot
im aware the columnus is matching the damage from a low base damage with a higher modifier
and graia has a high base damage with a lower modifier
its just it is weird its so similar
south folio
it could be that they intentionally matched it when deciding on the ADMs
dark zealot
but like the columnus just fires faster and would do the same damage, no?
south folio
yes
which is why i'm talking about ADMs and referring to the columnus as the close ranged archetype
because it has higher ADMs at close range and lower ADMs than the other two IAGs
dark zealot
what i do know is the damage on the columnus here is just flat out wrong
but thats nothing new
south folio
just testing around, a 52% damage graia has ~95 base damage
dark zealot
the poor crusher
placid salmon
every weapons should get rebalanced to match the recon las's level of garbage-ne...
then people would complain that every enemy is tanky until they do a game-wide nerf of all enemy health
dark zealot
then people would complain that every enemy is tanky until they do a game-wide n...
every week the numbers are all run through a random number generator
balance as the omnissiah intended
dark zealot
one week you might get unlocky and poxwalkers are just immortal gods
placid salmon
tbf tanky enemies suck to play against
using the recon lasguns feels like playing payday 2 lol
south folio
though them being tanky means that they can throw out less of them to be a meaningful threat
whereas we're in the 20 crusher/bulwark/rager era because they all currently get oneshot by a couple of things
polar nexus
do you know if the kills done with bm/db counts as damage in the scoreboard?
because 220 and 80k dmg with a rashad?oO
placid salmon
honestly feel like the graia IAG is in a good sweetspot of feeling good to use and not OP lol
placid salmon
whereas we're in the 20 crusher/bulwark/rager era because they all currently get...
kraks are seen as redundant unless you can pull shenanigans to group up the other 5 ogryns that spawned next to the 1 ogryn who sucked up the grenade
dark zealot
kraks are seen as redundant unless you can pull shenanigans to group up the othe...
Good thing we aren’t vets then
fading vale
I constantly see huge krak kill feeds
south folio
@dense field here's a video showcasing the different base damage, assuming that you believe the numbers in the stopping power to be true https://streamable.com/481l4s
and if you don't believe those numbers, then here's an approximation using onslaught
sharp zodiac
https://streamable.com/ba7gsf
Is that mauler flexing
south folio
the rending bonus dimineshes around ~95 damage
the rending bonus diminishes ~74 damage
i did it at different distances just because the columnus has >1x adms on damn near everything
and to illustrate when rending% begins to diminish
ignoring the damage of the shots once onslaught is fully built up, you can see that they pretty clearly have different base damages
and on top of that with the crusher showcase (if the stopping power stat is to be believed)
south folio
Is that mauler flexing
this baby can fit so many IAG bullets
sharp zodiac
@native cargo I found yoy
vocal pulsar
the rending bonus dimineshes around ~95 damage
Lmao what is this
This dude really just outed himself as a 🤓
dark zealot
heresy detected
quaint verge
south folio
thank u for context anngak
quaint verge
south folio
now go away
quaint verge
fading vale
dark zealot
all zealots are intellect, its what seperates us from the others
dense field
the rending bonus dimineshes around ~95 damage
I don't speak math, sorry. I quite literally don't understand what do you mean by "the rending bonus diminishes X". Did you calculate an "expected" base value? I presume you've tested the guns on carapace specifically because they have the same ADM?
south folio
yes
after you hit 100% adms, rending's bonus is reduced to 1/4th
so you can just see when it starts to diminish to check where 100% adms is
open echo
i just saw someone sliding across the floor doing the hunker down emote on the mourningstar lmfao
south folio
you can do more math to calculate the exact value but it's good enough and that won't account for a ~20 damage difference anyways
i tested on carapace, but that would be hypocritical if i told you to just trust the stopping power numbers
open echo
i just saw someone sliding across the floor doing the hunker down emote on the m...
they are zooming around lmaooo
south folio
so I also tested it on a mauler and used the rending from onslaught to get an approximation
dense field
Yes, you clearly was correct
south folio
woohoo
obtuse stirrup
currently in a game with 4 stealth zealots
Metal Gear Shouty
dense field
woohoo
I think it's a bad thing though. That means that the balancing team have omega ogryn brains 
dark zealot
currently in a game with 4 stealth zealots
average purple ork squad
obtuse stirrup
average purple ork squad
Idk though, I've never seen a purple ork
dark zealot
I think it's a bad thing though. That means that the balancing team have omega o...
i'm guessing you didnt just come to that conclusion just now?
south folio
yeah hopefully they realized that making things be strong up close and weak at far distances is not an actual meaningful tradeoff
in a game where 90% of engagements either happen up close or can be forced to happen up close anyways
sharp zodiac
Does this mean math class is over
south folio
kill
sharp zodiac
There are crayons stuck in my abdomen
obtuse stirrup
yeah hopefully they realized that making things be strong up close and weak at f...
Distant gunners are real, but do less damage at range. Snipers are also real, but squishy as hel. On balance you are probably right.
copper hawk
blibble blornky
dense field
Distant gunners are real, but do less damage at range. Snipers are also real, bu...
gunners are a non issue because suppression is also real
sharp zodiac
blibble blornky
Get your head out of the gutter
long sluice
Why are zealots consistently the most brain dead players I get match up with in qm 😄
sharp zodiac
They are led by the smell of cheese
copper hawk
heb in the glugger
sharp zodiac
DONT MIX MY ords with your speech creature of the forest
copper hawk
dork mlicks may urbs w ur sporch cruncher if they frest
obtuse stirrup
Why are zealots consistently the most brain dead players I get match up with in ...
All zealots have to take turns with the same brain cell... but if it's your zealot's turn then they'll solo carry you lol
long sluice
I think it's mainly only zealots who don't other classes.
long sluice
Zealot is my third class and I love playing it a lot. But since vet and pysc were my first two I already had a clear picture of how others would beat benefit from having a zealot.
sharp zodiac
does this game have mmr
Probably no
copper hawk
like guh
sharp zodiac
Gigity blhoggity
copper hawk
does this looke goode..
sharp zodiac
Yu carry harder than the rooksbaxk of a herbmaringate
Yes
Tho you look like a drug yesterday
Dealer*
long sluice
Sir I think you need to add more stat lines to your scoreboars, it's looking a little space..
copper hawk
a drug yesterday
sharp zodiac
Cocaine
copper hawk
noh drug 2day acmtualy
dense field
I wish I was a drug yesterday
sharp zodiac
AUGH DAMNIT
I forgot to take mine
First my meds now this
I gotta start leaving them in open spaces just so I get that jingle
copper hawk
Sir I think you need to add more stat lines to your scoreboars, it's looking a l...
u think that's bad
some ppl have like
their entire screen looks like an excel spreadsheet
like stellaris gameplay
dense field
EVE Online
long sluice
Like is attacks blocked really important to you for review 😮
copper hawk
that's part of the default scoreboard thing
the added oens r all the enemies actually
like lesser enemies glooped
ornate bone
Hey guys been big noob here. I have 1 lvl 30 and it’s a shield Ogryn. I just beat my first auric level game on damnation so I’m new! Trying the zealot as my 2nd char and man I feel Smol. In melee if I don’t have my dash up I got no answers for berserkers. I can’t stagger em with normal melee and they crush my blocks!
sharp zodiac
Even booped sometimes
ornate bone
Any advice?
copper hawk
damage smelt
sharp zodiac
Tho some don't like being booped
south folio
use the power of gun against ragers, or stun nades or throwing knives
copper hawk
Hey guys been big noob here. I have 1 lvl 30 and it’s a shield Ogryn. I just bea...
omg
south folio
some melee weapons can reliably stagger ragers
sharp zodiac
Treat it like ogryn but with a lil more brainpower
copper hawk
ornate bone
copper hawk
ornate bone
BB fav game heheh
frank night
frenss
copper hawk
find some friendz 2 help u w levelin' up
ornate bone
use the power of gun against ragers, or stun nades or throwing knives
So ya early I’ve resorted to just shoot the hell out of berskers and not melee lol
copper hawk
a gun rlly rlly good for low level is the brauto
obtuse stirrup
Hey guys been big noob here. I have 1 lvl 30 and it’s a shield Ogryn. I just bea...
Depends on your build and loadout. My striker build domes them with Zarona or outplays them with Heavy Sword, but my assassin build uses throwing knives or stealth -> backstab
copper hawk
it's fine out of the box w/o blessings or perks
the agri brauto that is
rlly accurate at range when crouch and firing
don't right click; this braces brautoz, which makes them less accurate
frank night
The Motrins has arrived
make this french ur purpose is to be visibly french
ornate bone
Depends on your build and loadout. My striker build domes them with Zarona or ou...
Ya I think I got this habit with the Ogy where everything I do staggers basically everything
copper hawk
it turns the spread from a circle/triangle thingy to a line
ornate bone
This is def different
sharp zodiac
make this french ur purpose is to be visibly french
And ur purpose is to smell like a drunken sailor
ornate bone
Depends on your build and loadout. My striker build domes them with Zarona or ou...
Makes sense
sharp zodiac
YOU DRUNK FUCK
ornate bone
Depends on your build and loadout. My striker build domes them with Zarona or ou...
I also just got a heavy sword so will try it and melee now
copper hawk
hs ix is my fav
special attack has anti armor properties and can stagger
it also churns hordes
obtuse stirrup
Ya I think I got this habit with the Ogy where everything I do staggers basicall...
For Ogryn, think Juggernaut. For Zealot, think death-ball. You have to actively defend a lot more (although you're still real fucking hard to kill if you play well, harder than an Ogryn even)
ornate bone
For Ogryn, think Juggernaut. For Zealot, think death-ball. You have to actively ...
Got it ya I gotta change my mind set
obtuse stirrup
I also just got a heavy sword so will try it and melee now
Get headtaker and either deathblow or rampage on that nurglefucker
copper hawk
and have the rev attack
in case u see a mauler
i use the new chain sword since it's rlly brainless
it's like a rashad caxe but chainsword
i love it
when u get a good zeal try out josho's Crusher build
it's in the pins
frank night
meeeeOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWW
copper hawk
it's what i use like almost exclusively to drag matches 2 completion on auric
i love the crusher
sharp zodiac
However if the crusher isn't your feel I'd recommend the eviscerator brothers
ornate bone
Got it sounds good I just got into my 2nd character in most online games I’m very alt alergic I usually just play one main and try and perfect it but I’m trying to try out most classes
copper hawk
i dont rlly like the evis
copper hawk
like
compared 2 crusher i just dont like it
crusher does a lot of damage and can stagger fucking crushers mid swing
it's insane
evis can't do that
obtuse stirrup
Got it sounds good I just got into my 2nd character in most online games I’m ver...
Play all the classes imo, there's so much more fun to be had and dimensions to this game
long sluice
I've been loving my devil claw iv on a crit build, basically perm uptime on abilities.
copper hawk
u can juggle mixed hordes of multiple ragers/crushers/maulers w the crusher and clever footwork
obtuse stirrup
And it helps with your teamplay
ornate bone
Play all the classes imo, there's so much more fun to be had and dimensions to t...
Ya my friend told me this so I’m giving it a go for sure
obtuse stirrup
And helps you to farm more melk
copper hawk
and i don't mean like
ornate bone
And it helps with your teamplay
Def just to understand them agree
obtuse stirrup
And melk is everything
copper hawk
'juggle' as in just not get hit
juggle as in like staggerin them and not lettin them hit u
it's just nuts
it's a long wpn so u can hit over enemies like a polearm on important targets
it has an increidbly good push attack..
i love it..
if the lawz of meowture allowed it.. i'd bear the crusher's children..
dense field
Like is attacks blocked really important to you for review 😮
It actually is! If you notice that you tend to block a lot then maybe it would be beneficial to invest in some block eff/stamina regen in your curios.
sharp zodiac
I think you have an addiction
frank night
she would know
frank night
sharp zodiac
frank night
argh
sharp zodiac
Cadia did deserve it
copper hawk
agree
long sluice
juggle as in like staggerin them and not lettin them hit u
What weapon you talking about
fleet zealot
if the lawz of meowture allowed it.. i'd bear the crusher's children..
Also i wouldnt use juggle since that is the term you can use for veteran right tree and psyker in general
Where juggling is the act of swapping weapons often to get increased effectiveness
frank night
why not stan
hushed knoll
You know why
frank night
do i
hushed knoll
Yes
Have you noticed the air getting warmer
The weather patterns changing
It’s because of your notetaking
copper hawk
hai stannis baratheon
hushed knoll
Notices u
frank night
Have you noticed the air getting warmer
copper hawk
fleet zealot
The weather patterns changing
steep flame
https://tenor.com/view/killer-bee-naruto-anime-note-taking-gif-14285274
is that hulk hogan
north sedge
you have achieved the 1/3 Eye of Stan
north sedge
HAM GLADE
spare dome
When you glaze into the ham, the ham glazes back at you.
visual stream
love muh double revive curios
obtuse stirrup
is that hulk hogan
Well let me tell you something, brethren-in-the-emperor
sharp zodiac
Some double ton fatass knocked my stuff over the table
On my reserved spot
Then threw a hissy fit when I contacted staff about it
ember yew
love muh double revive curios
if only that worked on captured players tho
would be great
fleet zealot
visual stream
get disabled for the first time all match
teammates all almost die to a small rager patrol
riveting
umbral kindle
just keep light spamming them in melee bro
surely they will die before you
- random reject no.297854
granted you can do that with some weapons
glances at crusher
fleet zealot
>get disabled for the first time all match
>teammates all almost die to a small ...
standard behavior
get off elevator, start walking and clearing forward
turn around, all 3 of my teammates down to a shotgun patrol
coarse birch
rip
sharp zodiac
Nah
Just some standards I got prepped for when they broke
Not cheap but no fancy bullshit
coarse birch
Thats good at least
sharp zodiac
Yeah
coarse birch
Hi josho
sharp zodiac
Day has been against me but I've prepared myself for everything
Minus the bird shit
coarse birch
Nobodys ready for bird shit
sharp zodiac
My coffee definitely wasn't
Ruined a perfectly good coffee
No I didn't drink it post contamination
coarse birch
I assumed you didnt
minor sage
coarse birch
Despite the co worker story
sharp zodiac
I assumed you didnt
You're a better person than most
coarse birch
I try
naive star
3x 5% Damage Reduction nodes on Tree, then +25% on dodge and 50% on crit for total 90% DR reduction available pretty easy from talents. How does it all stack up in practice?
indigo quartz
diminishing returns
lavish flame
They multiply
naive star
Yeah figured 90% so easy would be OP
indigo quartz
nah if you want that much DR go play ogyrn
lavish flame
so amount of damage you take is 0.85 x 0.75 x 0.5 = 0.31875
I.e. about 31.9% damage
So about 68% DR
naive star
Not sure worth the loss of own dmg going that way