More damage
#zealot-class
sharp zodiac
tired hawk
well other than that lol
sharp zodiac
Heavies last longer however light revs do less damage, not enough to make them bad but as a more finish off tool
mystic ether
Personally, I like things like no respite in general just because it fits how I play very well. I can position myself pretty consistently in most maps and messed up encounters where me getting just that extra jump in dmg for already getting staggers off is great.
A crit talent spread knife playstyle with that kantrael and chastise the wicked? Oh boi.
Oh baybee...iz preddigüd.
tired hawk
Heavies last longer however light revs do less damage, not enough to make them b...
gotcha
sharp zodiac
The horizontal heavy rev can be tricky to land at times but with it you can amount good damage
And you can also dodge out mid rev to save yourself
placid salmon
guess that explains the sheer damage numbers i can get with stealth zealot against beasts of nurgle
obtuse stirrup
Personally, I like things like no respite in general just because it fits how I ...
Crit with stealth for me right now but yeah, that's close to the idea
mystic ether
You're okay. Ongoing dex class addict. Reverse grip allows me to act human even for a moment.
sharp zodiac
My tip as well is to rev up heavy on a crusher THEN press chastise
That way you'll ensure the one shot on the mk2
Like
obtuse stirrup
Yeah, if you Chastise first then you boost the initial hit which is weaker
sharp zodiac
Rev heavy, it connects then immediately press chastise
obtuse stirrup
Do it the way Luna says and you boost the lethal final tick
placid salmon
i just deleted 2 of my zealot builds due to redundancy so i guess we're fine
mystic ether
Crit with stealth for me right now but yeah, that's close to the idea
It can be a balancing act for sure and that's why I love some of these blessings that jump the interactivity of very light/often negligible cc effects like suppression.
Those very tiny windows of opportunity change a lot of possibilities in the heat of the moment with stealth ability builds in this game.
Vet tends to feel like I need to work harder compared to zealot in that regard but that's mostly due to zealot melee output.
mystic ether
It'd be nice for things like infiltrate to just have inherent out of stealth lowered aggro but I can be patient. Plenty more things for me to play with in this game.
I await my eyes to glaze over when I play with the ogryn knives again.
placid salmon
is the lowered aggro inherent?
mystic ether
is the lowered aggro inherent?
I wouldn't know for the deeper systems but with veteran you have a combat ability modifier that lowers your aggro around you for a bit. I see it/use it as a secondary defensive passive rather than offense.
Since it can buy you significant time to dish out dmg and regroup or just reposition more safely.
Anything that helps manage the risk of a risky playstyle like say, infiltrate smoke w knife and revolver is pretty nice in my experience.
The window is tiny though but you really gotta make it work in the heat of the moment lol
Err kantrael
Revolver is functionally just easier to use in most cases. Reminds me a lot of crossbows in vermintide between bardin and saltzpyre.
placid salmon
god i wanna like chastise, but being unable to use it in midair makes me find it janky
i end up just playing shroudfield and using it like chastise lol
fleet zealot
why are you trying to use it mid air
placid salmon
then again maybe i'm just not supposed to be jumping so often. VT2 has voicelines mocking you for it
south folio
no trimping 😔
obtuse stirrup
Chastise is good for the toughness more than the crit or displacement imo
And for it being a 2-charge ability
Well, Fury of the Faithful I should say
spare dome
it's to swing a fight
i mean you can also use it to dash 21m and open a fight because thats just fun
but really its best use is immediately when you take a decent chunk of toughness damage
north sedge
Chastise just does everything
obtuse stirrup
Yeah, it's the Eternal Warrior ability
south folio
it doesn't do my taxes
obtuse stirrup
it doesn't do my taxes
Well then you have a shit build
north sedge
A dash of toughness, movement, melee dmg, ranged armor downgrade, attack speed, arcos taxes
Oh and stagger
I think it's significantly more versatile
obtuse stirrup
Plus it synergies doubly with the blazing piety tree
2 charges is huge, but even more when you can supercharge the recharge rate by critting more
Plus it itself forces a crit
Any time I try using Chorus instead I regret it
north sedge
I don't play piety, just speaking on it's own
obtuse stirrup
It's absolutely busted with Piety man
indigo quartz
its really fun in HiStG when you're fighting 15+ dudes
north sedge
Yea I've never touched chorus
obtuse stirrup
Try Piety with charge some day
obtuse stirrup
Just one mission, try it
obtuse stirrup
One out of three ain't bad though
placid salmon
lmao i got knocked into an out of bounds platform by a barrel
got put in the timeout corner
royal vortex
i had to solo clutch after like a single trapper netted 2 teammates 3 times in a row
placid salmon
hmm
if i put +25% carapace damage on a weapon that inflicts bleed, will it do more bleed damage to crushers
late cave
Speed
timid mortar
how do zellies recover toughness?
obtuse stirrup
how do zellies recover toughness?
The Emperor provides
woeful oyster
Through the power of Faith
royal vortex
if i put +25% carapace damage on a weapon that inflicts bleed, will it do more b...
all DOTs inherit the properties of the weapon you currently have equipped
obtuse stirrup
Specifically on melee kills and on most of your ult uses
timid mortar
So it's no point getting vet-BornLeader perk then
placid salmon
how do zellies recover toughness?
their combat abilities all have some form of toughness regen, tho it's an expensive ability to get it on shroudfield
also they're the melee class, so you can just get em from horde clearing
royal vortex
so if u bleed a guy with a knife and swap to a gun the perks on that gun apply to the dot
woeful oyster
So it's no point getting vet-BornLeader perk then
Depends how dedicated you are to the bit.
obtuse stirrup
i had to solo clutch after like a single trapper netted 2 teammates 3 times in a...
Yeah but Punt got pounced less than you
Ergo, get carried varlet
royal vortex
that dog was legit an insta-pounce when i was right next to a teammate
it was the closest thing to not getting pounced at all
smh
timid mortar
Depends how dedicated you are to the bit.
i guess that's a good answer.
Zellies can get loner anyways.
royal vortex
born leader is p nice if ur not taking any of the other red nodes
especially if ur playin pubs where ppl aren't gonna be crazy good at staying alive most of the time
obtuse stirrup
that dog was legit an insta-pounce when i was right next to a teammate
Not enough faith
timid mortar
especially if ur playin pubs where ppl aren't gonna be crazy good at staying ali...
I only play Pubs. Zellies aren't that great at staying in cohesion anyways.
fading vale
but with backstab CDR
royal vortex
gloryhunter plasma + confirmed kill
ur gonna get pretty decent value out of it
but for most weapons ur kinda just gonna have to hope its doing something
timid mortar
I'm currently doing Helbore/VoC
royal vortex
yea i probs wouldnt then
placid salmon
i dont feel like grinding for more curios so i'm just using the wound curios i got for a chastise zealot and relying on bleed for the emperor to survive lol
royal vortex
if u had like a lawbringer shotgun u can fire head height into a horde with et + out for blood with the special shot and give teammates a decent chunk of toughness
timid mortar
Helbore is surprisingly good at frontline CQB
royal vortex
it has p good dodge stability iirc
timid mortar
I can toe-2-toe two maulers wtih a helbore, which I can't do with chainsword.
Chargers and Ragers are just a chance for me to show-off. (don't even slow down)
indigo quartz
if i put +25% carapace damage on a weapon that inflicts bleed, will it do more b...
only if you're the first person to apply the bleed to the crusher
placid salmon
neat
indigo quartz
its really funny/upsetting if soemone else applies bleed
or burn
because if you press Fury/chasitse
it doesn't get the armor downgrade 🙃
because its not your bleed/burn
indigo quartz
it can be the difference of a crowd of maulers/crushers dying
and them killing 2+ people
its a very frustrating mechanic
placid salmon
yeah fair
I'm trying out the mk15 eviscerator and idk if I like it
slowness on swing is a pain
woeful oyster
Fuck the Mk15
placid salmon
which heavy chainsword is preferred then
obtuse stirrup
Fuck the Mk15
I tried that and now my genitalia has turned to gibs
woeful oyster
which heavy chainsword is preferred then
MKII is the king slayer
indigo quartz
I'm trying out the mk15 eviscerator and idk if I like it
15 kicks ass
placid salmon
you didn't have enough faith
indigo quartz
I just recommend the 10% attack speed upgrade and fury
placid salmon
ye I'm using it with fury
indigo quartz
With 20% attack speed hordes can't get a swing in
north sedge
Don't mind the doc, terminal case of dumbass I'm afraid
woeful oyster
MK15 is ass
placid salmon
I have wrath 4 and bleed on special attack on mine
not sure which one to give up if I want a better one lol
north sedge
but mk15 ideally is rampage + shred/bloodthirsty
indigo quartz
I'll argue perfect cleave
long sluice
which on is the one with the cleave lights
indigo quartz
The QoL is magnificent
north sedge
i'll argue no
indigo quartz
And rampage isn't letting you meet BPs
north sedge
which on is the one with the cleave lights
15
vivid hawk
Mornin' fanatics 👋
north sedge
both evisc are extremely uncomplicated
obtuse stirrup
got off Brunt, maybe it'll end up useable
Emperor be with you
obtuse stirrup
mk3 is the good one, right?
It's the assassination knife
The VI is a more versatile one that the other classes tend to use more
Zealots prefer the III usually
fleet zealot
placid salmon
rude
spare dome
i just dont gel with the VI at all
i dont find it horde clears that much faster, so the two heavies are just in the way of the third for me
lusty turtle
the chance to instant kill on chained heavies
spare dome
which was funny
lusty turtle
its still garbanzo but its fun
thorn parrot
obtuse stirrup
Tbh the III kills hordes "decently" with light spam
You can trigger your next Shroudfield with crit spam from it and then just drop the horde and let somebody else handle it
north sedge
this is garbanzo slander
spare dome
graia goes brrr
north sedge
"let someone else handle it" is basically the knife motto
south folio
the 3rd weapon--your teammates
spare dome
idk mk6 to me is like
if you took the flamer
and got rid of its infinite cleave but now it cooks one target faster
like that ain't it for me, its not what i use it for
obtuse stirrup
"let someone else handle it" is basically the knife motto
Everyone loves their horde clear, I'm gifting them endorphins
And poxwalkers
mystic ether
Eh, fuck em.
They're usually shite without their precious best in slot and even then mfkers be shitting the bed anyway with all the nice shinies.
Nobody respects the poxburster save your teammate from being flanked tech.
😉
spare dome
If they die, then they were weak. The God Emperor protects.
mystic ether
Emperor useless.
obtuse stirrup
I do love how the personality of Zealots is almost completely opposite from how I tend to play them
You lay one finger on any member of my team and I will exterminatus you right in the fucking face
mystic ether
I just do snappy high ms support with either ridiculous or nice enough dmg in most of my builds.
spare dome
I stand right at the front and break the enemy line.
north sedge
mystic ether
On most days I'm usually sporting the competence to be that confident with my risky play. If I run away, whatever, I run away. I'll be back like 6 seconds later and a whole line of dead assholes we haven't seen yet is on the screen.
I do like being flamed for somehow "not contributing" when I'm literally the one stopping clusters of dudes from flanking someone and they can't hold two crushers with all the space in the world to move out of the way.
Last time I just straight up finished the rest of the mission out of spite. Just ran right past the dude who was crying and the others turned into bots.
ripe quest
the chance to instant kill on chained heavies
Unironically I think the best way you can exploit the strengths of the VI is to run Executor + Haymaker but the blessings really prefer the III in general.
lusty turtle
ye generally speaking
the blessings are mostly focused on weakspots and crit
the good ones anyway
exotic portal
is it haymaker? on it
yeah, you need hay-maker on it.
Rough carry
Prefer this over the III knife
fleet zealot
good morning
fleet zealot
bless your soul
fleet zealot
what in the god damn
fleet zealot
https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_s7f7xpERQC1qa1gsx.mp4
oh okay
placid salmon
I'm so sorry LMFAOOOO
fleet zealot
the ferret video is very cute and fun
but god dman LMAO i wasn't expecting the other one how do you mis send that
placid salmon
copied the wrong link in the group chat
visual stream
I miss that brief period where snipers would make the nyoom windup noise for everyone in the match
Pretty sure he was targeting the ogryn behind me
lusty turtle
not the video I meant to send I'm so sorry
ye maybe not that one
placid salmon
I've made errors that will cost me
south folio
truly a mechanic to love and hate
pro: you don't get distracted by the sound of enemies that aren't targetting you
con: you can't fucking hear snipers or bursters
frank night
so has the guy above me
south folio
...
visual stream
The magnetism mechanic is subtle
visual stream
truly a mechanic to love and hate
pro: you don't get distracted by the sound of ...
I honestly got used to it shortly after it happened
frank night
unfortunately you did not expect the nurglite cha-cha slide
visual stream
Wish it stayed
south folio
jogging around in the elevator to get stacks
placid salmon
literally lol
visual stream
jogging around in the elevator to get stacks
"I can't wait to fucking GET the next guy I see"
south folio
and then you shoot your own teammate to proc momentum before hitting an enemy
placid salmon
what
south folio
pro momentum-pilled gameplay
placid salmon
that works??
frank night
fading vale
I'd just play exclusively with bots or in solos/duos if friendly fire existed
frank night
post steve
fading vale
frank night
wow
south folio
i say it in the same way that I would say that ants should die
frank night
why should ants die
south folio
because they're living in the walls of my house and crawling onto food
frank night
i see
fading vale
because they're living in the walls of my house and crawling onto food
these include: anteaters
lusty turtle
based
south folio
these include: anteaters
so tragic 😥
fading vale
God remember a couple nights ago
when some random person was telling the mods they were shit for hate crimes or something
clever rover
What
south folio
which weapon/talent was this over again
fading vale
I think it was an Aquila targeted thing
south folio
i think i vaguely remember it
fading vale
it was just one of those self righteous obnoxious types that occasionally show up with no idea how to talk on the internet
lusty turtle
i don't remember it, but it wouldn't surprise me
clever rover
Also hey Lazorr! How goes it?
fading vale
hello
frank night
some guys rly implode when they are disagreed with on the internet
clever rover
it was just one of those self righteous obnoxious types that occasionally show u...
Oh those are fun!
lusty turtle
its usually me or aquilla getting targeted
ripe quest
The magnetism mechanic is subtle
I mean that's just kinda what you should expect dodging those kinds of enemies with a ranged weapon out. Either have solid timing or push prior.
north sedge
oh yea hot take tuesday
ripe quest
i don't remember it, but it wouldn't surprise me
Search for scarlette0053 and take a read. In hindsight was probs a troll or possibly like an episode of something? Not sure.
I think the highlight was def them attacking Aquila for this server only having like 10 mods because their own server had 15 and it was smaller.
south folio
OH shroudfield
placid salmon
I use the agri shotgun with shroud
ripe quest
It's so hard to pass up the armor downgrade with a Flamer.
clever rover
I’ve been running that Kharn loadout for ages
lusty turtle
i want them to remove the armour downgrade tbh
its such a stupid mechanic that makes armour a none issue
clever rover
Heh?
placid salmon
you mean the one on chastise?
south folio
it'd probably be fine if it didn't apply to ranged weapons and for a duration
lusty turtle
ye
placid salmon
it's a weird mechanic
clever rover
It’s funny but idk
lusty turtle
it'd probably be fine if it didn't apply to ranged weapons and for a duration
ye this especially, why does the melee buff act as a better ranged buff than exe
south folio
ye this especially, why does the melee buff act as a better ranged buff than exe
zealot is a ranged class of course
clever rover
Like shooting a crusher to death with a laz pistol within 2 seconds is just the funniest thing to me
clever rover
zealot is a ranged class of course
Oh but of course
placid salmon
I find chastise to be such a weird skill anyway
you can pretty much just use shroudfield like chastise and get very similar results lol
ripe quest
i want them to remove the armour downgrade tbh
I'd like them to remove a lot of things.
fading vale
chastise is best hands down
ripe quest
Flamer is already fine for small elites it doesn't need to nuke literally every enemy in the game lol
clever rover
Not surprised yeah
south folio
yeah there's a lot to love about chastise
clever rover
I run chainaxe flamer lol it’s dumb
lusty turtle
chastise is best hands down
ye stealth is just meme chastise
south folio
a very nice upgrade node, toughness regen, +attack speed buff for 10 seconds
lusty turtle
its only good for teh aggro dump
fading vale
and revives
ripe quest
It'll do more damage for certain weapons.
south folio
and dashing 21m to fuck something up
royal vortex
i want them to remove the armour downgrade tbh
when p13 was confirmed my thought was
lusty turtle
I'd like them to remove a lot of things.
saaaame, i want crit rending dead
royal vortex
chastise would have like three upgrad enodes
and u could choose between 20% attack speed and the armor downgrade
clever rover
But it don’t need them period
royal vortex
and they'd be mutually exclusive
south folio
saaaame, i want crit rending dead
no i will shoot at this crusher with my non-rending columnus IAG
ripe quest
Like if you're running a finesse ranged or melee weapon Shroudfield will hit harder typically, even with just the base node.
royal vortex
and then the 2x chastise node
fading vale
yeah the movement from chastise be goated
clever rover
and they'd be mutually exclusive
You know what agreed
lusty turtle
no i will shoot at this crusher with my non-rending columnus IAG
but arco, surely its just onslaught is overpowered and nothing to do with crits and crit chains 
coarse temple
Wonder if they'll ever change chastise with chain weapon specials
visual stream
I mean that's just kinda what you should expect dodging those kinds of enemies w...
Ranged was out because too many important enemies not to, and there was a dodge for the circle of enemies in front of me then a final one before the silly lunger actually attacked
lusty turtle
SURELY my rifle having 40% adm after 16 hits is the problem
placid salmon
kill crit mechanics
south folio
surely
ripe quest
Wonder if they'll ever change chastise with chain weapon specials
I feel like they have to considering they made Shroudfield un-useable with chain weapons.
lusty turtle
i've been reporting chain weapon specials for a while, its gonna be work but i want em to change it
ripe quest
Ranged was out because too many important enemies not to, and there was a dodge ...
Push first 
lusty turtle
glad we can atleast dodge out of a rip now
ripe quest
i've been reporting chain weapon specials for a while, its gonna be work but i w...
I pray for Chaxe hitboxes
south folio
to shift away from the get-stuck-on-a-single-enemy specials?
lusty turtle
I pray for Chaxe hitboxes
ye chaxe still needs some work, i'm very happy with the changes so far tho
its much healthier where it is now
visual stream
Push first <a:nodders:833336326086066177>
Shouldn't have been needed but fair, I could have done that in case I predicted the dodge mechanic not working 
brazen linden
playing zealot with max attack speed while tipsy/drunk just makes the missions..... different
north sedge
they need to put flesh tearer lacerate on every weapon
ripe quest
ye chaxe still needs some work, i'm very happy with the changes so far tho
Yeah they're fun. I do find it funny that the ADMs actually make the armor downgrade a nerf to it though lmao
royal vortex
for the first like 5 matches i played with the more user friendly chain weapons i dodged outta all my fkin revs
placid salmon
ADM?
ripe quest
Armor damage modifier
lusty turtle
armour damage modifiers
placid salmon
o
ripe quest
Multiplier that each attack has against each armor type.
lusty turtle
Yeah they're fun. I do find it funny that the ADMs actually make the armor downg...
yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, except into crushers
ripe quest
Oh yeah for Crushers everything gets a damage boost
visual stream
we love power weapons in this household
brap gang will always be better than brrr gang
clever rover
Don’t bully my chainaxe
north sedge
ok but why flamer so weak?!
clever rover
ok but why flamer so weak?!
No
ripe quest
north sedge
royal vortex
also
i can't believe they nerfed kickback
(stan is discussing lacrosse in the background)
lusty turtle
https://streamable.com/u6swkq
ye i hate the current state of ogryn
north sedge
that's certainly better than discussing german pornos
royal vortex
ye i hate the current state of ogryn
i love the vibes of ogryn
big dumb guy kills stuff
clever rover
Big lad funny
ripe quest
Thammer w/ the BM
fleet zealot
god why do people just be terrible now
lusty turtle
90% dr and the damage output to kill god
royal vortex
u dont really have to move, u dont really have to aim
lusty turtle
its so one note and brainless
fleet zealot
like why tf you have to troll on ogryn
royal vortex
the most i have to think is trying to line up bm on new shovel but guess what
fleet zealot
and just stand infront of your teammates on purpose
south folio
25% toughness every heavy
royal vortex
the shovel hitbox is so fucking wide two maulers standing shoulder to shoulder will get hit by the swing
ripe quest
90% dr and the damage output to kill god
Just make HP-exclusive DR a thing and put all of it on Ogryn.
royal vortex
so u barely even have to line guys up
royal vortex
this sounds awful
south folio
this baby can fit so many poxbursters
lusty turtle
more DR that requires you to do something
fleet zealot
2k effective HP
lore accurate ogryn
royal vortex
they need to lower the DR in general and try to find ways to make ogryn feel a lil less awkward to play
fleet zealot
liek god damn tho i don't que up to play with trolls
i come back to darktide and somehow the playerbase worsens
royal vortex
i feel like the gameplay is just a lil too slow if ur not a stats inflated passive defense meatbag (to paraphrase crab)
ripe quest
Yeah I feel like we shouldn't be able to surpass like 30% DR unless in a 'the stars align' moment.
At no point should a sniper be toughness tankable.
fleet zealot
if the vet asks you to not body block him don't get salty and body block him harder on purpose
royal vortex
ogryn also suffers the most from weird delay timings and shit
visual stream
At no point should a sniper be toughness tankable.
"Light work no reaction"
south folio
solution: make ogryn teammates stop sniper shots
royal vortex
and like the solution to having an awkard and clunky character to play is to not make them have the most ridiculous stat spread known to man
south folio
fair and balanced tradeoffs
south folio
ogryn also suffers the most from weird delay timings and shit
yeah i was messing around with ogryn in the meatgrinder and i hate weapon switching on ogryn
ripe quest
I think they could forgo total DR on Ogryn and give him the Ironbreaker special with occasional melee hits ignored.
royal vortex
yeah i was messing around with ogryn in the meatgrinder and i hate weapon switch...
AND SO MANY OF THE FUCKING GUNS
DO NOT FIRE THE MOMENT YOU INPUT
THEY HAVE A DELAY
WHY
lusty turtle
Yeah I feel like we shouldn't be able to surpass like 30% DR unless in a 'the st...
anything over 30% should be active dr that requires some kind of very specific effort to get it as a reward
ripe quest
anything over 30% should be active dr that requires some kind of very specific e...
ikr
royal vortex
anything over 30% should be active dr that requires some kind of very specific e...
very specific effort (get a critical hit) smh
south folio
and also additive DR
royal vortex
ogryn keystones could use like a ground up redesign
ripe quest
imagine a world where Chorus on Zealot is the most impactful DR buff in the game
visual stream
THEY HAVE A DELAY
Your keyboard inputs are actually the character's brain telling them what to do, the ogryns are just so dumb it takes the signal longer
lusty turtle
same for movement speed, movement speed buffs should be active rewards like psyker
ripe quest
ogryn's entire tree is legitimately just passive buffs
tbf a lot of Zealot's are too.
royal vortex
no this argument is wrong because u can actually think of nodes that change how u play
on ogryn
u don't
royal vortex
nope not a nerf
because the implementation of them is terrible
the entire idea of all 3 needs to be thrown out p much and they need to make something that can at least let you have a modicum of decision making
visual stream
Getting into psyker was so weird coming from zealot because it's like. Almost EVERY single bonus you get is something you have to make happen
Instead of "more damage the more times you swing your melee weapon"
south folio
just warming up the muscles
royal vortex
imagine if heavy hitter was a keystone about hitting heads in melee
south folio
new passive: good cardio -- you don't consume stamina on sprint anymore
ember yew
new passive: good cardio -- you don't consume stamina on sprint anymore
new passive: agile monkey - refund 1 dodge attempt on every successful dodge
🍖
south folio
y'know, a movement/stamina keystone sounds pretty baller
buoyant pecan
y'know, a movement/stamina keystone sounds pretty baller
The knife builds will delight
And don't tell me that the knife builds wont use it
south folio
the knife users will have to decide between blazing piety or this
tropic harbor
New passive: throw saver. Auto kicks every knife zealot and veteran out of your team
buoyant pecan
They will use movement
royal vortex
y'know, a movement/stamina keystone sounds pretty baller
inexorable judgement if it wasnt just a passive buff:
ripe quest
y'know, a movement/stamina keystone sounds pretty baller
That's almost what Judgement is.
w/ the dodge buffs and all
just schmove
south folio
i want my stamina and then some benefit for being at high stamina
where's my good cardio
royal vortex
nah
have a keystone about spending/regainning stamina
the point is u keep a flow going
south folio
mmmmmm
royal vortex
u could do smth funny like melee rending based on stamina spent in the last x amount of seconds
ripe quest
OH that reminds me I almost flipped out last night because the rampage bug looked to be setup on All or Nothing and Limbsplitter but they have some Fatshark magic that makes it not happen.
south folio
explain in human language
royal vortex
when arco asks u to translate u know shit is weird
south folio
shut up
royal vortex
lmao
vivid hawk
what should I change?
ripe quest
explain in human language
Rampage bug, the thing that caused it looked to be happening to Limbsplitter and All or Nothing in the code. I was wrong, they're not bugged, but they're so close to being bugged.
vivid hawk
smackdown to uncanny specialist to maniac
It is done.
south folio
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO
royal vortex
pog
south folio
i can't believe they're avoiding past mistakes
royal vortex
Rampage bug, the thing that caused it looked to be happening to Limbsplitter and...
imagine if they reintroduced successive hits lowering ur damage
ripe quest
so close. A literal copy-paste away from getting 2.24x damage depending on stamina %
south folio
god damnit
vivid hawk
@royal vortex how does one actually use the knife?
ripe quest
imagine if they reintroduced successive hits lowering ur damage
I think that part of Limbsplitter is still present in the code it'd be funny if it still exists.
north sedge
royal vortex
<@445566734255259648> how does one actually use the knife? <:KEKW_ogryn:10220771...
spam lights on poxwalkers and lie to ppl on the internet and say you 3-shot hordes
preferably with a 50 second clip of you fighting poxwalkers
there's a couple different things u can do
the push attack on the knife is v good so u can kinda spam it
ripe quest
Heavies are good, PA spam is really good. Combo stuff n whatnot.
royal vortex
special punch -> light will give u a heavy that comes out faster
ripe quest
L3 is funny
royal vortex
the l3 (stab) is really good on it
so u can combo to it
if u wanna get all sweaty
it also has an innate 25% backstab damage
vivid hawk
momentum or crits?
royal vortex
that's entirely weapon dependent the fuck are u on about
ripe quest
I'm talking about knife rn
royal vortex
yeah it's diminishing returns but it still scales off the finesse multis
ripe quest
Bodyshot to crit bodyshot is huge, weakspot to crit weakspot is small damage increase
copper hawk
despite being literally an identical boot to the ones i was issued many moons ago
when i was a bright eyed bushy tailed pfc..
vivid hawk
@royal vortex post a "good" knife build?
north sedge
north sedge
oh i know, i just want to meme
royal vortex
if u wanted to use immo nades to solve the problem of horde clear u could do smth like this though no faithful frenzy or sustained assault is sadness
if ur taking a flamer or a brauto or smth to shoot poxwalkers with u can go throwing knives and use the points for other things
vivid hawk
if u wanted to use immo nades to solve the problem of horde clear u could do smt...
I was just gonna bring a kanty for hordes
royal vortex
yea then u probs put the points u dont use towards the damage/attack speed stuff at the bottom
u could also use stealth if u wanna be a ninja but i dont use shroudfield all that much
spare dome
Voice of Terra > Health Regen imo if you're doing brauto kant w/e
royal vortex
vivid hawk
@royal vortex something like this then?
spare dome
anything thats mulching crowds
royal vortex
<@445566734255259648> something like this then?
yea
copper hawk
just stopped the slop
royal vortex
impossible
royal vortex
Voice of Terra > Health Regen imo if you're doing brauto kant w/e
only if u take the left side of blazing piety so its 4.5% toughness per ranged kill
smh
vivid hawk
well, now that I have this thing
I'll probably never use it
okay, maybe I will use it, just to I can punch spam something to death
royal vortex
hell yeah
obtuse stirrup
I feel like if I wanna use Fury of the Faithful then I want something wider than a knife
royal vortex
that punch > light combo is fast af
vivid hawk
Knife seems okay against small groups, but anything larger than a Slaaneshi sleepover, and you definitely start to slow down
north sedge
oh you forgot the first point earlier, you're supposed to say knife 3 shots horde
vivid hawk
Guess I've already failed as a knife zealot
royal vortex
ur also supposed to say the mk6 knife is a "better hsword"
a very true and realistic statement
vivid hawk
north sedge
and if anyone ever challenges you, say "idk works for me"
royal vortex
south folio
the sheer muscle strain of having to hold down my mouse button will have critical consequences
lusty turtle
ur also supposed to say the mk6 knife is a "better hsword"
im sorry what
royal vortex
im sorry what
lusty turtle
people shouldn't be allowed gameplay opinions
south folio
oh boy i can't wait for the next patch
royal vortex
the longer between updates the more the crazies get stockpiled in the bad take reserve
north sedge
the only real opinions allowed should have at least 3 mentions of meta within a sentence
royal vortex
TRUE
south folio
and unceremoniously diss on weapons that are already established to be strong
royal vortex
hsword is too slow 😔
i can't believe some of the ppl who would say that are the same people who thought bull butcher on ogryn felt fine
its fkin ogryn bro
ur always slow
median steeple
man that hammer just cant kill these bosses fast enough
north sedge
this meta combat meta blade meta VII meta build will make hsword look un-meta meta meta, meta
royal vortex
mate, team, meat
north sedge
AINL
placid hedge
Got this from Big E. Can I save this Crusher?
novel onyx
royal vortex
its a lil unfortunate but u can make it work
thunderstrike to skullcrusher sprint efficiency to probs flak
opaque island
what should my talent tree look like if I want the BIGGEST possible crucis bonk on a target
placid hedge
thunderstrike to skullcrusher sprint efficiency to probs flak
Alrighty. Unfortunate perks for sure
royal vortex
it's a 3/4 crusher which isnt bad at all
placid hedge
Ill have to try it out. Havent gave the crusher a chance yet.
woeful oyster
what should my talent tree look like if I want the BIGGEST possible crucis bonk ...
That is classified.
dense field
woeful oyster
Ts is good. But they don't want to hear it.
royal vortex
it's good if u close ur eyes and do ur best not to think about what the blessings do and how they synergize with skullcrusher
woeful oyster
It is brain off, yes
north sedge
your brain is off usually, for sure
woeful oyster
for slighty less stagger
woeful oyster
your brain is off usually, for sure
so is yours
royal vortex
thunderstrike's one upside is the ability to support teammates
north sedge
royal vortex
but the problem is nobody unless u really try in a premade with comms is consciously taking advantage of the increased impact
whereas hammerblow or trauma both provide consistent +impact amounts that are equal to or greater to thunderstrike
woeful oyster
Ts lets you take advantage of any stagger. Yours or anyone elses without having to build stacks or worry about a timed window.
royal vortex
and lets u get enemies into a stagger state easier to get the extra damage from skullcrusher
opaque island
what does impact do really, i know more impact makes the ragdolls go further, or ive heard it does
royal vortex
Ts lets you take advantage of any stagger. Yours or anyone elses without having ...
so like
in the world where trauma and hammerblow have way stricter activation conditions
u might have a point
but just pushing enemies will give u stacks
north sedge
what does impact do really, i know more impact makes the ragdolls go further, or...
more stagger
royal vortex
on hammerblow cleaving guys will build your swing to max stacks in one hit
and u can't go "but hitmass" because the activated attacks baseline have infinite cleave and an activated heavy has an aoe blast radius
woeful oyster
That's fine
woeful oyster
But Ts isn't bad
south folio
does thunderstrike work in the sane way (active while the enemy isn't staggered) or in the insane way
royal vortex
yes it is
royal vortex
none of these are like, points that bring up anything worth considering
south folio
not just preference esp since trauma/hammerblow persist through different enemies
and also i don't trust thunderstrike to work in the sane way
royal vortex
because the only thing with reasoning behind it is "you don't have to build stacks" but in the vast majority of cases trauma/hammerblow is doing something useful while thunderstrike isn't
south folio
if it works like skullcrusher does
woeful oyster
so you're just wrong
Actually I'm not wrong about anything I said about Ts.
royal vortex
and maintaining/building impact stacks is so incredibly trivial
woeful oyster
Ok
royal vortex
what a riveting conversation
ripe quest
@royal vortex So, looking at BP's impact on damage numbers for the Mk III Knife. Considering Uncanny as a given, BP from base is ~20-40% damage increase depending on the armor type. BP from base + scourge it's ~3-15%.
Both peak with Unyielding damage.
royal vortex
i would imagine scourge isn't very consistently up on knife unless ur running an idiot bleed build because ur not hitting a single guy that many times
(i am guessing)
unless it's a boss or w/e
ripe quest
I mentioned it because of it peaking with Unyielding damage,
it would usually be up with bosses
royal vortex
yea
i think these numbers should get better for blazing piety if u have precog/duellist too, no?
ripe quest
i think these numbers should get better for blazing piety if u have precog/duell...
I'll check but I don't think it'll drastically change it.
royal vortex
if there was any weapon that would get the best return on crit/weakspot i would assume it to be knife outside of deadly accurate guns
royal vortex
well specifically what ur lookin for here is stuff that has conditional bonuses that fully or partially apply only to crit/weakspot bonuses
knife gets precog + duellist
placid hedge
After reading the crusher guide got me thinking my tree over on other weapons. What would be the best weapons to take Desperation talent with?
ripe quest
@royal vortex Ah so a correction rq, I was misleading. Prior message the 20-40% came from 75% crit chance vs. 20%. The 3-15% came from 75% crit chance vs. 50%.
With precog and duellist up 75% vs. 20% is +60-40%, 75% vs. 50% is +20-10%, and 45% vs. 20% is +28-11%.
royal vortex
i see
ripe quest
It seems alright considering you also get crit CDR at an okish rate. If anything this has just made me want to pick up Scourge on knife more lol.
obtuse stirrup
if there was any weapon that would get the best return on crit/weakspot i would ...
Heavy Sword is good enough for the blazing Piety CDR at least
royal vortex
After reading the crusher guide got me thinking my tree over on other weapons. W...
uhhh stuff with good push attack usage
so debatably devil claw 7, i think achlys caxe maybe, uhhhh
probs knife
royal vortex
yea u could get away with it on that
ripe quest
The PA is a utility move, can't imagine it would proc Desperation a lot.
royal vortex
although i've heard (don't really use it so can't confirm) you wanna do heavy -> light -> block cancel reset
oh man this thing swings so slow u fully regen the stamina lost if u do push attack -> heavy
placid hedge
Never knew that. I always thought it was heavy Light into PA
frozen glen
man i miss the evisc guy in zealchat who would spout questionable game decisions at times
ripe quest
Yeah you'd need to spam the PAs or also block stuff during the PA.
placid hedge
Yea I feel like mk2 always has good stamina tbh
north sedge
man i miss the evisc guy in zealchat who would spout questionable game decisions...
overkill is just wasted dps 😔
royal vortex
say his name.
frozen glen
sometimes i can still hear his unhinged comments
north sedge
c*ntra
ripe quest
I feel like puri probs got a bunch of people to do that like, heavy light light heavy PA combo or whatever
Heavy light light PA loop maybe
placid hedge
tbf the PA does have a nice horizontal but I can see getting back to the heavy faster being better especially running Viscous Offering.
north sedge
bro got voldemorted
i just like the asterisk making it seem like it's a worse word
ripe quest
I remember when I had to scroll through pins past his Evis guide each time I wanted actually good blessing/perk options
ripe quest
tbf the PA does have a nice horizontal but I can see getting back to the heavy f...
The PA is pretty much just L3 but flipped. The L2 is also pretty flat, hits fine.
royal vortex
I remember when I had to scroll through pins past his Evis guide each time I wan...
and it was just a bunch of overexplained nonsense
(unlike the chad Crusher Guide)
ripe quest
(unlike the chad Crusher Guide)
Contras guide had more references to bleed therefore it was a better guide
royal vortex
😔
coarse birch
i love bloodletter
ripe quest
I run crit CDR build on Mk II Evis just so I can get Bloodletter without removing a blessing slot
Maybe they should call it like Bloodletting or something to fit in with it better 
north sedge
Flesh Tearering
south folio
bloodlettering
median steeple
south folio
kill mankar
north sedge
Flesh Bloodlettererate
vocal pulsar
ARCO BAD PEROSN NOT GOOD GUY
south folio
sounding like cica as the days go by
vocal pulsar
YOU WILL KNOW FIRE
placid salmon
do you guys like the heal 25% of damage perk
placid salmon
well I've probably said before but I was trying a build that tanks using +5 extra wounds and BftE
but I feel like it's lacking without the heal perk
wraith bolt
got a few questions
how should i improve this heavy sword and is this flamer worth buying?
royal vortex
swap block efficiency to maniac on the hsword
keep the old flamer till u find one with >76% burn
wraith bolt
swap block efficiency to maniac on the hsword
yes sir. will do sir
wraith bolt
keep the old flamer till u find one with >76% burn
ahh yeah I forgot about that threshold
ty
placid salmon
what's the burn breakpojnt do
coarse birch
allows for max burn stacks if its like purge staff iirc
i forget how many stacks you lose though
frank night
kill mankar
You will be destroyed by a very short roomba crushing machine
heavy arch
i hate knife zealots i hate knife zealots i hate knife zealots i hate knife zealots i hate knife zealots i hate knife zealots
hollow ember
was so hyped for this rip, replacing TS > Hammerblow but if anyone has suggestions for the perks let me know
I am just having this temporarily to give this weapon a try, heard good things about the crusher
coarse birch
was so hyped for this rip, replacing TS > Hammerblow but if anyone has suggestio...
you options are flak/maniac/cara/unyield/elites
hollow ember
Guess since I am going momentum then block efficiency gonna be little bit more useful than crit dmg as for which perk to add prob gonna have to test breakpoints with creature spawner
ember yew
I am just having this temporarily to give this weapon a try, heard good things a...
crusher guide in pinned messages
coarse birch
if you can only choose one id probably do flak
hollow ember
crusher guide in pinned messages
yea the problem I haven't had experience with crusher so I am not sure which gonna be more useful with the perks, but yea that guide made me wanna give crusher a try
have it on 2nd monitor, though it has a lot of options in terms of perks so gonna have to test it on creature spawner and decide which 1 perk to get that is most important
hollow ember
if you can only choose one id probably do flak
ty
also I am not sure which type of mobs crusher struggles against to build against due to lack of experience
so yea need more testing
I feel like I spend more time in meat grinder than in matches haha
Been wanting to try crusher but reading that guide for the first time with the combos was a bit intimidating
but now since i got nothing else might as well give it a try
lone pecan
Even the things you struggle against can be staggered until they are dead
hollow ember
Even the things you struggle against can be staggered until they are dead
hell yea that sounds awesome
coarse birch
it does a bit less damage vs flak compared to unarmored and infested
for the horde clear combo
hollow ember
ah gotcha
coarse birch
which is l1 > heavy
lone pecan
Light spam in hordes works well enough for me and for big things I use the special to stagger
coarse birch
light spam will work baseline however light 1 into heavy one will be much better
cause your getting about double damage on that sweeping heavy
before taking into account perks/SC
hollow ember
damn this weapon kinda cool
lone pecan
Yes, and I tried, but whenever I try a light and heavy combo on any weapon it works for a bit but somewhere I get mixed up because of blocking and such and the combo is ruined, so I stick to all lights or all heavies, easier for me. I don't use weapons where that's too detrimental
hollow ember
Yes, and I tried, but whenever I try a light and heavy combo on any weapon it wo...
haha i feel you
coarse birch
the push attack is also good for single target
it has good finesse
activation push attack into the head will be your best damage vs crushers and whatnot
mystic harbor
im in the wrong channel omg
lone pecan
hollow ember
ah i see, btw ty for all the info
super useful
oh seems like there is no weakspot dmg with activation
prob gonna need to install enemy debuff mod to understand how stagger works more and how it interacts with skull crusher perk
oh the mod even has skull crusher debuff already, sweeeet
I feel in game having that would be too much visual pollution but useful for testing in meat grinder
lone pecan
IIRC skullcruser works like this; you stagger an enemy and then when you attack them again, while they are staggered, they get the debuff so it won't apply them on the first attack that staggers them
hollow ember
ah i see
ty
i thought a stagger gives 3 stacks skullcrusher but with activation it gives 6, interesting
I staggered with normal hit and it gives 3 stagger like i thought it should
ripe quest
Pushes stack it as well iirc
hollow ember
I guess the activation does something weird
ripe quest
The thing with Skullcrusher is you gotta hit them while they're in the staggered animation to get the damage.
So like w/ a Crusher a cool setup is a special PA into the overhead combo and it'll chunk Ogryns.
hollow ember
damn this weapon is deep
the heavy evis just chop things down haha
i kinda like the combos and stagger interaction
also ty for the info
placid salmon
I swapped from piety to momentum on my stealth build and while I prefer its effects, it's hard to not notice just how much less cooldown I'm farming
hollow ember
thought skull crusher tier 3 would do it but having 1 activation gives max skull crusher makes huge difference like 20% dmg increase
placid salmon
my build has both crit CDR amd backstab CDR
now I know which one was really pulling its weight
hollow ember
doesn't pious work with stealth build if u going momentum?
north sedge
The whole point of piety for most weapons is the cdr, so it's not exactly surprising
timber ether
40% TDR and bleed upkeep is pretty lit too
placid salmon
doesn't pious work with stealth build if u going momentum?
yeah but the crit one does a lot lot more work
hollow ember
ah i see
haughty locust
What perks are best for a flamer?
north sedge
It's just more consistent since you need backstabs for the other
haughty locust
Unyielding I know is one
north sedge
Flak
north sedge
Or flak elites
haughty locust
Ooh, elites is a good choice also
I do like cooking pogryns though...
Yeah I'll go with flak elites for good measure
thank you
north sedge
🫡
placid salmon
doesn't pious work with stealth build if u going momentum?
still better than the damage CDR perk lol
haughty locust
End result, got pretty big blessing RNG
north sedge
Both are quite good, just depends on weapon (frankly cdr is out of control overall)
placid salmon
chastise is def meant to be spammed to some degree
ignoring its insane armor ability that isn't mentioned at all
north sedge
🤔
placid salmon
does using shroud before it's done regenerating toughness reset or stack the toughness regen
ripe quest
chastise is def meant to be spammed to some degree
mmm, it has so much packed behind it that it's super impactful when you ult. With select weapons problem enemies die by the second ult at most.
Just normal usage you get a 20% attack speed buff for a 1/3rd of the cooldown.
coarse birch
mmm, it has so much packed behind it that it's super impactful when you ult. Wit...
chastise hsword heavy killing the entire elite patrol in one swing
ripe quest
I've gotten the funny BM 4k on Crushers with the Achlys Caxe before, such a dopamine hit.
dark zealot
End result, got pretty big blessing RNG
did they fix the blessing?
dark zealot
yeah but the crit one does a lot lot more work
i had a build that used crit and that that one for cdr
dark zealot
gonna be honest i dont really get the point of those
split ibex
I guess the dodge toughness talant is good
dark zealot
they just do the revolvers job worse
split ibex
that's the thing is I don't need fire or stun with crusher. So I might as well get regenerating sniper killers
dark zealot
sure if you dont have the revolver and maybe need to do it faster, but thats a more gimmicky (and un-reliable) scenario
dark zealot
sure but have much less cleave and an arc
split ibex
I just use ciag if I'm not running Blazing Piety
split ibex
sure but have much less cleave and an arc
but have you considered how baller it feels to hit a sniper after the drop?
20+ meters
visual stream
but have you considered how baller it feels to hit a sniper after the drop?
Why use a regeneratable blitz to hit a sniper when I could instead unlock a penance by wasting a stun nade on him 
split ibex
Probably do something like this for crusher build
fleet zealot
manstopper (blessing) works for throwing knife
surgical also works with throwing knife
it usually inherits the perks and blessings of the weapon that is out
dark zealot
manstopper (blessing) works for throwing knife
my apologies but i havent memorised the blessings
spare dome
wrath it does, that one is fun
placid salmon
manstopper (blessing) works for throwing knife
if I take +25% flak, can the throwing knives deal with scab ragers
dark zealot
manstopper (blessing) works for throwing knife
also are you saying "instead of a revolver, use a shotgun and throw the throwing knife and hope it crits"
why not just use either of those guns?
polar nexus
surgical also works with throwing knife
hand cannon too, which is bonkers
ripe quest
it doesnt earn rampage for some reason
Certain stuff that's specifically labelled "melee_power" in the files don't apply.
polar nexus
and the best part? no suppression on knives AFAIK
ripe quest
Also a good amount of the complex (as in a lot of checks in the code, you'd be surprised what's considered complex here) blessings do not work with throwing knives.
like iirc BM doesn't work with them
polar nexus
Probably do something like this for crusher build
do this instead
you won't regret it
split ibex
do this instead
polar nexus
like iirc BM doesn't work with them
the real tragedy
split ibex
Thanks for the suggestion though
ripe quest
the real tragedy
I mean, Man-Stopper is right there. You can horde clear with throwing knives better than some melee weapons lmao
polar nexus
that is true 😄
hollow ember
i think neither, the toughness regen just keeps going according to the buffs bottom left
hollow ember
does using shroud before it's done regenerating toughness reset or stack the tou...
.
hollow ember
there is no sound for this
yea intentional
torn flame
yea intentional
what do you mean
the emperor requires the holy sound of his enemies falling
hollow ember
the no sound for the clip if that is what u meant
hollow ember
the emperor requires the holy sound of his enemies falling
it is a satisfying crunch sound ngl
ripe quest
i think neither, the toughness regen just keeps going according to the buffs bot...
I always feel so sad seeing crit CDR setup on a Mk XV Evis because of that performance right there.
Like 90% sure chainsword with no talents would do more damage there
hollow ember
I always feel so sad seeing crit CDR setup on a Mk XV Evis because of that perfo...
oh don't worry about performance i was mainly optimizing for CDR to spam shroud
but yea i get what u mean
polar nexus
who want toughness on stacks when you have tg on dodge 😦
torn flame
it is a satisfying crunch sound ngl
now i have to fix this
proven thicket
does thunderous apply extra brittleness stack on a revved up chainswor/axe attack?
vocal pulsar
does thunderous apply extra brittleness stack on a revved up chainswor/axe attac...
yes
proven thicket
so thunderous on mk xii chainaxe = good?
hollow ember
haha
torn flame
you do this again and it's the heretical execution you deserve
hollow ember
o7
hollow ember
though I usually listen to secondary stuff on my 2nd monitor so I don't want that to be captured and be a distraction, need to check the audio stuff and let it only capture the game audio
sterile dune
So heavy sword is really better than eviscerator just not as cool right?
ripe quest
does thunderous apply extra brittleness stack on a revved up chainswor/axe attac...
It applies the listed amount per hit, even on a revved hit.
proven thicket
so a revved hit doesn't count as multiple hits?
ripe quest
It doesn't no.
proven thicket
ok
hollow ember
sadly no
ripe quest
Also Thunderous is Carapace exclusive. Otherwise Headtaker will be better.
Even then Thunderous is a debuff so it's debatable since both Chaxe's can 1 shot all elites.
fleet zealot
So heavy sword is really better than eviscerator just not as cool right?
evi can go crit and hit unyielding and carapace better, heavy sword does smaller elite killing and mixed horde way better
Evi can't kill 4 ragers in one swing
ripe quest
yes
You might've noticed when bleed procs thunderous, the Chaxe itself only applies 1 proc per hit regardless if it's a rev or not.
bleed will tick it
It's so nuts to me that when Orthus came out I 5/5 rolled a Mk XII with HT + Slaught. Fatshark really wants me to keep using them.
sterile dune
I have a crit evi now, I think I need shred blessing on it
ornate bone
I'm almost sure the chain revs only apply one stack
Or at least they don't apply per tick
I tested it in the psykhanium and the damage in the middle ticks, which is the same, didn't change mid-rev
fleet zealot
ornate bone
Raton
ripe quest
I tested it in the psykhanium and the damage in the middle ticks, which is the s...
It's once per rev yeah. Bleed though, like on Vet with that bleed on hit talent, will tick it. A couple people see that happening and think it means that revs will proc thunderous multiple times.
ornate bone
ripe quest
There was a funny interaction I was trying to get on Zealot where you use a Flechette + Man-Stopper Lawby and use Shroudfield crit CDR with a Thunderous melee weapon.
ornate bone
I thought they fixed bleed stacking blessings
ripe quest
So you proc Flechette twice and you swap to your melee.
It was working last night so not sure.
ornate bone
Then it likely is
ripe quest
The entire interaction is easier on Vet due to Onslaught, you can like, completely shred small elites with it.
ornate bone
I tested mine much earlier
vocal pulsar
You might've noticed when bleed procs thunderous, the Chaxe itself only applies ...
ahh, big sad
polar nexus
The entire interaction is easier on Vet due to Onslaught, you can like, complete...
shredder nade + shout + onslaught will decimate a pack
and buff your teamates
ripe quest
I think Josho was looking into a setup like that.
Ever since P13 my Vet builds have been batshit according to Vet chat dwellers so I leave it to the people over there.
polar nexus
i wonder if you can use both onslaught and uncanny for the bleed
shy hull
What is a good perk combo for crusher ? Flakniac or unyielding carapace ?
polar nexus
does onslaught only works when you have you ranged wp equiped?
polar nexus
Ever since P13 my Vet builds have been batshit according to Vet chat dwellers so...
i am pretty sure you can do better
ripe quest
i wonder if you can use both onslaught and uncanny for the bleed
Uncanny doesn't stack from what I saw, also if you stack it it'll make Onslaught irrelevant to the entire thing.
hollow ember
What is a good perk combo for crusher ? Flakniac or unyielding carapace ?
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The guide writer has Cara + unyielding but check this guide for more in-depth in the perk section
shy hull
thanks
polar nexus
uncanny won't stack but you can stack it before the nades
hollow ember
np
ripe quest
i am pretty sure you can do better
I mean I perform fine with the builds but I've been questioned a number of times w/ the smoke + exe stance combo or a melee vet tree I made a while ago.
I usually try to aim for some gimmick setup on Vet builds and just spam it whenever.
hollow ember
I mean I perform fine with the builds but I've been questioned a number of times...
do u have a youtube where u showcase these weird builds by any chance?
ripe quest
I'm not a Youtuber no.
hollow ember
gotcha
polar nexus
Uncanny doesn't stack from what I saw, also if you stack it it'll make Onslaught...
i was reffering to something like that
fading vale
I like my video of my first time using a crusher
dawn wharf
Ever since P13 my Vet builds have been batshit according to Vet chat dwellers so...
Hardest Tree to work with tbh
fading vale
and spamming special L1 the entire game
polar nexus
Hardest Tree to work with tbh
speaking of bleed shenanigans
coarse birch
was this pre buff crusher
royal vortex
i tried crusher when i was leveling zealot and was like "i want something heavier that pens armor"
polar nexus
i have seen your video 😄
royal vortex
hollow ember
and spamming special L1 the entire game
u should've seen me with crucis for the first time spamming specials and whiffing on a random poxwalker
fading vale
yeah this was when crusher released
coarse birch
tbf that might have been the best thing back then
i do not know though
i saw it used once
fading vale
well, special L1 spam was the right way to use it back then lol
hollow ember
well, special L1 spam was the right way to use it back then lol
why is back then different than the combo intensive gameplay of crusher's nowadays?
royal vortex
it used to be one of the worst weapons in the game to use
fading vale
cause it's a completely different weapon now
hollow ember
ah i see
north sedge
no they reworked it completely
royal vortex
why is back then different than the combo intensive gameplay of crusher's nowada...
because it did no damage, the finesse modifiers were shit, had shittier reach, etc
and the old activations all had the same aoe blast radius
so all u could do was stunlock stuff and let other ppl kill it
fading vale
and it was a huge radius
hollow ember
damn it was rough back then
coarse birch
it was just a CC stick
polar nexus
I think Josho was looking into a setup like that.
you could do onslaught + bleed + skullcrusher too, i don't think it has been patched
hollow ember
i kinda like crushers being unique with the combos now
fading vale
yeah it's cool now
royal vortex
yea crusher is bangin
north sedge
it didnt even have combos, it was just little slaps
ripe quest
https://youtu.be/dt5UoIV5ths?si=vge2grIdGItQaaC5&t=961
If you have Uncanny you'd only be using brittle for ranged direct damage is what I mean. Brittle and Rending share the same cap, no room for brittle to breathe when you have a +100% rending bonus.
spare dome
i think it was day two or three of the crusher being released
polar nexus
assuming you get to that 100%
spare dome
i clutched a game with it on damnation, it took five minutes, and it was just me bonking down a horde with endless charged lights for a fucking eternity
i stopped using it after that lmao
ripe quest
assuming you get to that 100%
Uncanny is mega easy to stack idk.
north sedge
i used it once just diving into a game blind and then never touched it until the rework
ripe quest
Esp since the shovels get it too
royal vortex
theres a clip somewhere where a dude is at the elevator at the end of excise vault and there's a shit ton of poxwalkers and he can't get them out of the elevator
because he's using pre-rework crusher
and everyone else is dead
coarse birch
The meta
ripe quest
Josho did you see the thing I pinged you about regarding Lawby
exotic portal
<:door:1134042647242215506>
royal vortex
uhhhhh
coarse birch
Sorry META
royal vortex
was it the "better than plasma gun" thing
royal vortex
yea i mean if u can hit the bad guys with the bleed consistently it does good
ripe quest
just like, mixed hordes
polar nexus
theres a clip somewhere where a dude is at the elevator at the end of excise vau...
same happened to me in archivum... with a kourk
royal vortex
in a live game its a lil more annoying but also like
i play it once or twice a month
and then do smth else
so i havent really adapted to The Playstyle™️
i miss when scattershot was 4% crit chance for hitting 3+ guys and never more
coarse birch
And lawby special shot didnt do anything
polar nexus
who could design a blessing like that lmao