zealot-class

[woeful oyster]

So Flechette only goes to t2 on the Kant???

[zinc talon]

all shotguns

even rippers

[ripe quest]

Flechette and Man-Stopper are T2 only

[woeful oyster]

GOD DAMN IT

FATSHAT

[zinc talon]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-reynolds-why-ryan-reynolds-gif-5281849

[ripe quest]

@south folio So with the weapon stuff in the bottom right, moving stuff around with it is fucky in general. Any tips with that or do I just have to fiddle with it?

[jovial cradle]

nice torso

[zinc talon]

thanks, my mom gave it to me

[open pollen]

I gotta get some mods up in this. But I am too lazy to edit a txt file

[sage river]

That one guy from resident evil village:

[open pollen]

Space Ace!

Star Wars Blaster fr

Been silly on Auric Quickplay today. Having a good time!

[open pollen]

Silliest build I can muster.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b325d79-24a3-48d8-9c3c-a48d6d14a93f/the-highwayman?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[vocal pulsar]

i have met several ogryns in game

who say "protec the lil uns"

and almost every single one of them

without fail

get flattened

and are the ones who need protection

[sharp zodiac]

No worries okri is one of the few who can backup that statement

[open pollen]

(Don't show Lazorr my silly build, they'll get mad at me :c)

Oh yeah, Okri a real Brogryn

Can't stop the beat down when Okri comes to town.

[zinc talon]

[placid hedge]

Is Flak or carapace better on hammer? I got an ironhelm with free perks

[zinc talon]

unyielding, actaully, if the nerd math is still the same

[minor sage]

Flak unyielding is good

[zinc talon]

oop that was meant for ogryn chat

[ripe quest]

@fading vale A special one just for you

[median steeple]

can we have heavy bolter? no we have one at home
heavy bolter at home:

[median steeple]

how is the third person mod

looked cool

also what the fuck is that audio

[copper hawk]

[median steeple]

[midnight jasper]

yo what weapons is that

is that a skin?

[steep flame]

Its a mod

Just a modded thunderhammer

Wait no

Crusher

[midnight jasper]

ah alright

[steep flame]

Poor knights gonna get its shit rocked

[lofty elk]

this seems like a buy? not a big chainsword guy tho so not sure

[copper hawk]

Slinky

[copper hawk]

[long sluice]

Id buy that for sure

Any tac axe enjoyers out there?

[open pollen]

Someone in a match said FS was planning on nerfing stamina/block efficency. Is that true or are they attempting a bamboozle on me?

[copper hawk]

No tac axe enjoyerz

Cuz the tac axes stink

Srry

[open pollen]

I've enjoyed tac axe, but I wouldn't classify myself as a tac axe enjoyer

I am, however, a stamina enjoyer. I started liking stamina builds "ironically" but now I can't get enough. I'm addicted to stamina.

[long sluice]

What curiou setup you running atm?

[open pollen]

Give me a sec

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9b325d79-24a3-48d8-9c3c-a48d6d14a93f/the-highwayman?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

It isn't optimal.

But it's what I've got.

[long sluice]

Yeah probably the hard truth there. But left click strike down spam on elites is super satisfying. Swings so fast and super easy stagger lock.

[open pollen]

Wish you could throw the axe.

Have it be the special, and have it regen like Ogryn Rock

[long sluice]

That's an interesting build, no keystone??

[open pollen]

Nope. I've got a similar build that uses momentum, but I've been rocking this silly build today and I've been doing pretty good so far! Havn't lost an Auric Quickplay match yet.

[long sluice]

Cool, I will have to try it out 🙂

Zealot keystones seems so damn strong though

[open pollen]

Hopefully you'll have as much fun as I.

They are. But the secret? Zealot's just naturally strong.

The keystones are just more stronk on top

[long sluice]

The Silliest Build I can muster at the moment 😄

[open pollen]

I think I can get sillier

But I need to pace myself.

Or else I might have a Joker Moment and be lost in the sauce forever.

I still want to win, after all, and not be a burden to whatever pack of rejects I get matched with

[long sluice]

Think you need less meta weapons for more sillyness factor

[full nebula]

best crusher blessings?

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/angel-dust-hazbin-hotel-hi-gif-21527132

[open pollen]

Indeed. I already swapped the revolver to the agrippa version. And I can say I've started to develop a new appreciation for it. It craves unyielding damage, and a speed-freak mentality.

[open pollen]

But next thing I want to do is figure out how to get knives into this. Combustion nades are exceptionally meta.

But I also want to get scoreboard mod up and running so I can measure my performance output

[zinc talon]

current version is in that zip

I'm half working on a one-zip-fits-all-sizes modpack for every mod I have and use

plus, it's got an automatic text editor in it so you never have to fuck with the text file again

[open pollen]

How does the auto text editor work?

@zinc talon Any special installation instructions here? I noticed the readme was blank

[junior vortex]

Eviscerator with bloodletter is good.

Why is that perk not liked?

Bleed is pretty powerful

Like the eviscerator is already good without perks.

[acoustic jolt]

Probably because that's typically a single target focused blessing. You use evisc to clean up pox

[lavish flax]

is that the one that bleeds on special

wasn't it set up so that evsi got like 4 stacks of bleed but chainsword got 15 on the same blessing

[junior vortex]

+5 bleed stack on attack.

[acoustic jolt]

das really low

[lavish flax]

it's only special attack right? not literally any attack?

[acoustic jolt]

special

[junior vortex]

I mean I use my special a lot.

So it's good especially if you are already dealing damage.

If you are consistent with your specials it isn't bad.

And you can get back fast on zealotm

[acoustic jolt]

It's like saying "Well shotgun kills specials with a couple more shots so why bother with revolver"

[junior vortex]

And my relic already increases damage so it's not bad. I clear hordes.

[lavish flax]

i remember i ran the chainsword one for a while

that gave like +15 bleed stacks on special

and it was... fine

[junior vortex]

Rampage is probably the one carrying.

The eviscerator is already good so bloodletter makes it better.

If you use damage boost on your relic it's pretty good.

I don't need toughness as I can just attack enemies.

To be honest the +20 damage makes a huge difference.

[drifting wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/me-watching-my-past-self-interstellar-meme-watching-past-gif-25439819

[median steeple]

yeah but you know whats even better? rampage/savage sweep

[open pollen]

For sure, for sure. My heavy evis is a damn fine weapon. And the other, less silly build I mentioned also uses the relic.

[lavish flax]

my experience with the chainsword one was that it was good against monstrosities, and meat ogryns

[junior vortex]

Bloodletter is only good based on your play style.

It's very niche bleed.

[rustic quest]

the question should be does it make the weapon more fun to use?

[junior vortex]

My play style enables bloodletter to be used.

To be honest penetration with bloodletter hurts.

[median steeple]

yea

[acoustic jolt]

You'll probably perefer chain axe if you like using the special

[junior vortex]

Tried didn't like it.

[acoustic jolt]

Mk XII

[junior vortex]

Eviscerator does most things better.

That the chain axe tries to do.

[acoustic jolt]

it does 2 things better

[open pollen]

I wouldn't be surprised if the former gets a nerf, or the latter a buff.

[rustic quest]

with chain axe, you gotta ask, do you favor light attacks or heavy attacks.

[junior vortex]

Only heavy attacks as they don't use stamina.

Spam those heavies.

[rustic quest]

hrm, with the old chain axe you get a rev attack on the light attack, you might find that more fun.

[junior vortex]

What I find fun is charging it up.

[rustic quest]

and they made it so you can cancel out of the anim

[junior vortex]

I don't like auto rev.

[acoustic jolt]

the mk4 chainaxe attack is hilarious with your speed buff and blue stim buff

[junior vortex]

Then you haven't seen the monstrosity that is a eviscerator.

[rustic quest]

running it with marty is pretty fun

[junior vortex]

Chain axe just didn't feel as fun to me.

I enjoy manually revving it's pretty satisfying.

[rustic quest]

with me it's thunder hammer vs crusher, the crusher is just more fun

[lethal totem]

chaxe single target is much better

[junior vortex]

Until it isn't

[lethal totem]

no it is lol

[woeful oyster]

Cutting shit in half at the waist is unmatched in dopamine production.

[acoustic jolt]

I tend to run Ironhelm and switch to chainaxe when i feel like not being useless at clearing hordes

[junior vortex]

I've used chain axe extensively and me personally the eviscerator just feels nicer to use.

[rustic quest]

oh, you should try the new dagger with Haymaker on it, makes you feel like a ninja

they made haymaker way better

[junior vortex]

Rampage on eviscerator hurts.

It's probably my favorite perk.

[acoustic jolt]

Not a fan of the evisc myself, makes me feel weak when the special ganksquads come rolling in

[rustic quest]

I like mobility

[acoustic jolt]

Maul is good, makes you feel like the final boss

[north sedge]

Chaxe is much stronger single target than evisc

[rustic quest]

I like being able to zip zig and zag right of the side of a walkway

[zinc talon]

the power maul is hands down my favorite zealot weapon

it's some of the best combo weaving on offer for any class

eve nif it doesn't look that way at first blush only having 2 heavies

[rustic quest]

it's pretty fun, I always feel a little slow with it.

[sage river]

With those two heavies you get a combo string made for crowd control or single target, both being incredible

[acoustic jolt]

yeah they reall did it well

[sage river]

All it takes to switch between strings is another light or heavy in a row

[full nebula]

Anyone have blessing recommendations for the crusher?

[rustic quest]

so few to choose from

[acoustic jolt]

I run Hammerblow and Skullcrusher

[rustic quest]

I wish fatshark would open up the blessings on some of these weapons

[full nebula]

i just rolled skullcrusher 4 pog

[north sedge]

Crusher is good the way it is with skullcrusher hammerblow

[rustic quest]

sure it's a fine weapon, I just wish it wasn't named the same as a mob in the game

[full nebula]

real shit/

[rustic quest]

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

you getting better performance out of flak perk as apposed to maniac?

[full nebula]

not sure, thats just what i add generally

[spare talon]

flak generally is more ideal on melees cuz of how many enemies that are flak that youd be meleeing

[visual stream]

I forgor, but shoving does not proc brutal momentum, correct?

[zinc talon]

bromentum procs when your attack kills the first thing it hits with a weakspot hit

[fading vale]

brutal momentum is an on kill proc so

[zinc talon]

it then does full unmitigated damage to the next thing, and on like that for 4 or 5 targets

[visual stream]

I think I am thinking of the wrong name

[zinc talon]

so if you hit a pack of somethings in the head, and kill the first target in the swing

[visual stream]

Keystone on the right

[zinc talon]

momentum

[fading vale]

not sure if push procs it tbh

[zinc talon]

yknow I'm finding that I'm better served by swapping from momentum to a crit/bleed rage build

for speed, as well

[visual stream]

I think it doesn't because I thought it was weird that chastise proc'd it and tested

[zinc talon]

cuz crucially, your crusher needs to have a relatively to very high defense score

[full nebula]

daym the crusher is pretty sick, testing it in the psykhanium

[zinc talon]

defense dump stat crushers make everything about you slower

[fading vale]

there's a good crusher guide if you haven't seen it

[coarse birch]

using voidstrike for the first time since pre patch 13

this thing is not ok

[fading vale]

yeah and people dropped it after a minor nerf for whatever reason

[full nebula]

bro this thing slaps around armored ragers like theyre made of jello

[coarse birch]

i dont get it

it does everything

except like kill bosses

[north sedge]

defense doesnt matter as long you got 50

[fading vale]

It staggers bosses still I think

[coarse birch]

yeah just not full stun lock like before

[spare talon]

lmao

[spare talon]

emperors gift

[visual stream]

Crusher with story time F seems like a fun way to larp a monk

[delicate needle]

hobo with a shotgun playstyle best playstyle

(and a giant cleaver)

[royal vortex]

that scab melee maelstrom revealed how terrible psyker is to me 😔

[full nebula]

how this tree look

for the crusher

[coarse birch]

really a shame what they did to psyker in postpatch 13

forced into garbo gunker build

[royal vortex]

😔

trauma is RUINED

[royal vortex]

stun grenades are the worst pairing blitz with crusher, toughness on momentum proc is a bad node

[junior vortex]

Not really in the middle of a horde with gunners.

Or poxbursters.

[royal vortex]

if you really hate throwing knives this is what i recommend in the crusher guide, this is 26 points so you have 4 that you can either put towards getting Second Wind (best toughness regen option zealot gets) or to do with as you please

[junior vortex]

I mean they will still deal damage and eat your toughness sometimes despite hitting and stunning them.

[royal vortex]

crusher has a huge aoe blast on special heavy if you even have trouble diving large groups of gunners (you shouldn't)

[junior vortex]

To be honest the relic is good because I get my toughness back and a +20 damage boost.

[north sedge]

no duelist? for shame josiah

[royal vortex]

they very much perform a similar role and shouldn't be brought together if you want a well rounded loadout

[junior vortex]

Just simply get behind a box crushers have a difficult time, or mark them for your team.

[royal vortex]

im always going to take 10% attack speed over duellist because otherwise my brain gets angry at the swing speed difference

[zinc talon]

hardly

[junior vortex]

Box is the greatest weakness to crusher in my personal opinion.

[zinc talon]

I run bible thump, corruption eater, stun grenades, and crusher

[junior vortex]

I circle bosses around things it's very funny.

[zinc talon]

all the sudden you're a traditional DND styled heavy armor priest

[junior vortex]

I love the creativity to kill crushers.

[junior vortex]

To be honest I feel like a crusader with boltgun and eviscerator.

[zinc talon]

hell yeah brudder

[junior vortex]

Sisters Repentia don't need armor to kill heretics.

[zinc talon]

evis and bolter/flamer gave me a hundred overlevels of top tier fun

[junior vortex]

They just slash into heretics.

A whole team of Eviscerator zealots is funny.

I love just having another zealot with eviscerator it's so fun.

[zinc talon]

be cool to run both variants together to see where they pair up

[junior vortex]

Why do you need armor when faith is your shield.

The Emperor is our armor.

[sharp zodiac]

There was a thumbtack pierced into my pants

Odd

[full nebula]

I c i c

[gaunt roost]

whats the difference between eviscerators

[spare talon]

the feeling of superiority

[spare talon]

their movesets for the most part

and a few extra quirks about them

i dont use either, but i generally know what they are

the mk 2 is better for horde clear, and has a slightly more complex attack pattern that youll have to learn how to use right

[junior vortex]

The newer one is slower.

[split ibex]

Well, block efficiency isn't amazing, but I'll take it

[spare talon]

the mk 15 is better for single target damage, and has a very simple attack pattern with light attacks being back and forth diagonal sweeps and heavy attacks being only overheads, but it does have a weird quirk to it, its cleave damage cap is 4 (the maximum number of targets you can deal damage to in 1 swing is 4, you cannot change this), so savage sweep isnt worth using, unlike the other evis, so that also means the cleave targets is also less important

[vivid hawk]

Why'd it have to be unarmored and specialist?

[gaunt roost]

so 15 for single target and 2 for swarmclear?

[full nebula]

15 has a very good horde clear with the light attack

[spare talon]

unarmored is honestly not as bad as youd think
plenty of enemies are unarmored, including majority of dreg enemies

[full nebula]

its basically just straight horizontal spamming on the light

[spare talon]

it has good horde control

its killing power is noticably lower than the other evis though

due to that damage cap

[full nebula]

its good clear too if you have the right blessings

[placid salmon]

what's the name of the crusher with the gray geometric top

[full nebula]

the crusher

[placid salmon]

or is there only 1 variant and im losing my mind

[spare talon]

theres only 1 crusher

[placid salmon]

yeah i lost it

[full nebula]

lawl

[gaunt roost]

doesnt one have a more techy red eye helmet

[placid salmon]

im a lil confused on how the powered attack works, it never feels like it's doing much

[spare talon]

the weapon, not the enemy

[north sedge]

It's mainly for stagger

Crusher dmg comes from staggering shit and bonking heads

[spare talon]

the powered attack has 2 major uses
its a CC explosion, and can knock back everything short of bosses every time

and it has a lot of damage when used with specific attacks in its moveset against armored weakpoints

it takes a bit of practice to actually get used to how to do that properly though since its a bit finnicky, but that use of the charge comes second to the sheer CC it provides honestly

since thats what youll mainly use the charge for

[spare talon]

if you do wanna know the ins and outs of crusher in excruciating detail, josho made a full crusher guide in the pins

[placid salmon]

oh that's why i was confused

[spare talon]

like very into detail

[placid salmon]

it's a fun weapon

the high stagger makes me feel like i'm playing a lil ogryn

[spare talon]

its such a weird weapon honestly

[placid salmon]

i mostly just charge it whenever i'm either A. up against something like a mauler or a mutant or B. see a ton of motherfuckers in front of me at any given time

but usually for hordes it's easier to just light/heavy em

[spare talon]

it has some of the best enemy control in the game
and it is a combo heavy precision headshot weapon

and it WORKS

make it make sense

[north sedge]

It was blessed by our lord crabsus

[sage river]

It didn't say anything about not being good at crowd control

[spare talon]

dude i owe crab my life for what they did to dclaw4

[north sedge]

Well crusher used to only be cc and nothing but garbage

[spare talon]

i know, i just find it goofy that the big shockwave stick is a precision weapon since the buff

[cinder roost]

i love the new crusher

great weapon

[polar nexus]

i loved og crusher

[cinder roost]

i did as well

[polar nexus]

used correctly it was like smite but better

[placid salmon]

shit no wonder

i kinda suck at melee headshots lol

[north sedge]

Og crusher was crap

[spare talon]

i mean you can do the same thing now
but also be dealing damage at the same time

[bitter patio]

Ive been messing around with heavy sword mk6 patterns and the heavy1 into special reset seems to be alot better than alternating heavies. You can charge the next heavy during the attack, you dont have an arbitrary langth of time you have to hold down the button its just a press, and its got higher stagger. I have issues landing heavy 2 on weakpoints because if you aim too high you miss but if it hits the shoulder its just a basic attack, but the special is just a diagonal down, easy to hit heads. Light 1 heavy 2 is great for hordes where you dont need to aim for weakpoints but I think Im going to spam heavy 1 special for crushers/maulers

[bronze phoenix]

Finally got Abhor the Mutant done

At level 23

It’s been a long road but gamers we made it

[zealous basin]

LIGMA

[sharp zodiac]

BALLS

[hollow fulcrum]

Hey guys, what perks/blessings do you guys run on heavy evis XV?

[spare talon]

blessings are rampage and shred

[sharp zodiac]

Rampage and shred since it's usually what I bring into blazing builds

[spare talon]

the 15 doesnt really have any other blessings that benefits it

[hollow fulcrum]

nice, is mobility the dump stat here also?

[spare talon]

yes, but you can also sacrifice some cleave targets on there too

[sharp zodiac]

Since the cleave cap is targeted at 4(?) And the rest will be staggered

Or something like that

[spare talon]

all that cleave targets does on the 15 is stagger more enemies per swing

[hollow fulcrum]

oh good to know

[spare talon]

and the minimum at 0% is 8.5 enemies

scaling up to just over 3 more at 80%

so yeah you can absolutely get away with dumping this one quite a bit

[spare talon]

That cleave damage cap is also why savage sweep isn't really useful on it, which is a very good blessing on the other evis

Which is why shred is more ideal

Cuz even though evis doesn't get that much bonus damage out of crits, damage is damage

[hollow fulcrum]

yeah, even my poorly made XVs seem to cleave really well

[spare talon]

Plus it makes it synergize well with a crit cdr build if you go down that road

[hollow fulcrum]

Been using heavy sword these past few days but getting so annoyed dealing with bulwarks with it.

[spare talon]

I mean with evis you'll still have to hit em on their body, shield still takes no damage and they don't get staggered from hitting it with anything from evis

[woeful oyster]

Overhead heavies is not enough for me to prefer the mk15 for single target. And honestly, I feel the horizontal heavies on the mk2 feel safer. Then there's no saw in half animation on crushers. Fuck the mk15 evis.

[spare talon]

But ig it will be easier to kill em when you get an opening since 1 Rev is usually enough

[woeful oyster]

unless you catch one with low health

[vivid hawk]

I'm tired of silent trappers.

[woeful oyster]

my friend on console hates em too

[spare talon]

someone may say this is cheating
but i have a mod that gives a radial effect for specialists, one similar to the thing you see when you take damage
it shows up when they get somewhat near me, but i set it to only show up for trappers and bursters

i dont need it for when i hear em, since i can better tell where they are from sheer audio

i have it exclusively for the silent ones

if i see a red marker start showing up and i havent heard a burster at all, i know to keep my eyes peeled since its a silent one

[indigo quartz]

i still think the SFX quantity cap bug

is some BULLSHIT

[woeful oyster]

I'm not worried so much about them being silent as I am about them dropping down from the rafters.

That is bullshit.

[indigo quartz]

dropping down from rafters + being silent

[glacial stratus]

do you know how many silent boom zombies and trappers there are?

A LOT

[woeful oyster]

The announcement of their spawn being silent I can live with. Only because I'm used to dodging on the sound q of the shot they are about to fire.

[spare talon]

exactly why i have that mod

[misty ravine]

I use Rampage + Bloodthirsty. Chain one-shotting Crushers with Rev Heavy 1 is fun. Rev Light 1 seems not to be subject to the 4 target limit, you can chain crits on trash (or against Bruisers/Shooters with enough damage buffs going) and recharge ult very quickly. When approaching a group, Rev Heavy the first one you reach (it doesnt get stuck on minor enemies, and kills gunners/shotgunners almost instantly), then the next Light is a guaranteed crit. Works great for a Martyrdom or Momentum build that still has Crit CDR

It also has the completely subjective advantage (probably technically a disadvantage) of being slightly less uncomplicated than the XV's normal usage

[woeful oyster]

I have always built my mk2s as hybrids for bossing and hoard clear. With savage sweep and bloodletter. But I use a fury/marty build.

But for the mk15 I'd probably go rampage and bloodletter.

[indigo quartz]

im a big fan of perfect strike _+ shred on the MK15

not getting stuck on crushers or maulers, not having to be worried about multiple crushers/maulers overheading me while I have to kite

[heavy arch]

can’t get stuck on a crusher if it’s 1shotted

bloodthirsty gang

[indigo quartz]

the animation still takes time to play out

thats time you're vulnerable

and when there's 3-6 crushers

or 3-10 maulers

[woeful oyster]

eh, just dodge out

[indigo quartz]

then it doesn';t 1-shot

and wastes bloodthirsty

[acoustic jolt]

risky if there's a few of em

[indigo quartz]

yeah its why I instead just bring an MK2 laspistol for a fury build

it kills 3 of the damn things in 3 seconds

[woeful oyster]

It is nutty

[sharp zodiac]

I just bring a shower

Shotgun*

[indigo quartz]

yeah agripnaa is good for it too

[sharp zodiac]

..I bring kantreal

[indigo quartz]

the flame being buffed is nice and all but the unstated burn stack limit is rough

[woeful oyster]

indeed

[indigo quartz]

and I like the flexibility that the las pistol gives me

50+ meter away snipers? works on that just fine

[opaque island]

sometimes i feel like im removing fun for some people when i run my thammer bonk build and destroy bosses

[indigo quartz]

plus, higher mobility stat than the evis MK15

I run the kant when I bring a knife or rashad

[woeful oyster]

Honestly if I have an Evis equipped it's paired with a bolter so

[indigo quartz]

Im not a fan of bolter alongside evis

too susceptible to ranged specialists imo

but thats personal preference

[opaque island]

thammer flamer REALLY suffers from that problem, bolter can still hit long range at least

[indigo quartz]

I started running las pistol instead of revolver when I got tired of monstrosities

[woeful oyster]

The flamer is susceptible for sure

[indigo quartz]

flamer is also susceptible to that quandry

laspistol is not

especially infernus/dumdum

its less good when you don't have fury up
but thats a skill issue

especially with a scourge/shred 4/crit build

forgetting the name of the capstone

blazing piety, thats it

I just don't feel the 2-hammer trivializes bosses enough for what it gives up

now if it hit as hard as vet or ogyrn shovel

[minor sage]

Just gotta get good at aiming throwing knives

Ez

[indigo quartz]

throwing knives are a blessing in diguise istg. love the skill curve on those

[woeful oyster]

Gotta have the stun nade to save the noobs though

[opaque island]

throwing knives, i know its a clutch but i prefer the stun nades

[spiral anvil]

yea thrwknifes and flamer/bolter is the way

[indigo quartz]

imo, flamer <<<<<<< laspistol

[spiral anvil]

flamer has infinite cleave

[indigo quartz]

not much difference between 10 stacks and 16 stacks of burning

[opaque island]

they are for different things

[spiral anvil]

so it only gains value with density

[random berry]

so

[spiral anvil]

single target yea ofc flamer loses

[minor sage]

The true benefit of throwing knives is getting 3-4 skillpoints more to play with

[spiral anvil]

but can you kill 100 maulers with laspistol

[indigo quartz]

I can kill 7 of them in 3 seconds

[random berry]

i managed to find this tigrus in the armory.

lets play a game.

[indigo quartz]

thats good enough for HiStG

[indigo quartz]

this would have been a beautful MK15

[random berry]

yep

[woeful oyster]

If showstopper didn't suck, dealing with mauler armies wouldn't be an issue

[random berry]

gonna play the hadron game here with it

[indigo quartz]

GL

imo mk2 is easier to not-brick

wider array of stuff it can do mediocrely

[random berry]

20% unyielding damage, not bad

[indigo quartz]

weapon is the Potential-Man of darktide

[north sedge]

Don't need showstopper to deal with a mauler pack

[woeful oyster]

No

you don't

But it would be solid if it didn't absolutely be ass

[random berry]

this is how it ended up

[indigo quartz]

neat

salvageable imo

[random berry]

yep

[woeful oyster]

I'd sell that

or eat it for shred 3

But I'm fussy about my gear

[random berry]

already have shred 4 on my XV eviscerator

i just saw it at a one of those rare free good roll moments

[woeful oyster]

the collection though

[minor sage]

15 is pretty demanding in terms of rolls

There are pretty precise combinations that i wouldnt bother running without

[indigo quartz]

its weird

my best one is a 70/80/80 on damage/pen/shredder

of all the 370+ i rolled

its the only one that 1-shots maulers with a rev

completely unbuffed

because it had 80 shredder. a real moment

[vestal coyote]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-he-is-already-dead-stop-gif-5552043

[ornate bone]

I was hoping the infamous stimming would become a classic

I was the first individual I saw doing that on an assassination boss

I would do it in the middle of the poxwalkers and just dodge while my team kept killing them

I man needs to be dedicated if he is to succeed

[lusty flower]

what do i do with this

upgrade wise

[spiral anvil]

change unarmored to flak/unyielding

[lusty flower]

what is the ndignatus Crusher

is it new?

[spiral anvil]

the best zealot weapon

its introduced in march 2023 or smth

[split canyon]

Good dagger?

[lusty flower]

oh is it the power maul

[minor sage]

Not bad but FT could be better

[fleet zealot]

help, trapper got me

[fervent geode]

[open pollen]

The fact that Opossums only live a few years is a crime against humanity.

[robust bane]

Yeah I'd say so. A lot of people tend to think bleed is weak but with a weapom like the knife it's good for a death by a thousand cuts type deal.

[zealous basin]

https://tenor.com/view/peepo-sad-gif-25308627

[frozen ibex]

Bleed gud

[zealous basin]

stop!!!!!!

[frozen ibex]

[ripe quest]

mmm, it's locked to a 4/5. I'd save the coins.

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-how-many-times-teach-you-this-lesson-spongebob-squarepants-gif-14501726

[frozen ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cat-sad-cat-me-when-i-dont-get-orod-tickets-gif-13399313231964052110

[zealous basin]

https://64.media.tumblr.com/8b3069fc3e05d132dab1b4b64dc04282/0b701d869a71597a-2a/s500x750/4407b7b995d62e14db601801a8b8544104e3d2c3.gif

[spare talon]

i was dragged to do a destiny raid
its now 2 am
someone send thoughts and prayers

[bleak apex]

never

Suffer you abomination

[tidal berry]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/917682677279232045/1025220122606055504/horsetalk2.gif

[median steeple]

I remember doing that shit day one

[spare talon]

the worst parts were all of the bugs

i loved being killed by bugs which ended 9/10 runs against final boss

on such an easy day 1

[median steeple]

thats what stopped me from doing day one VotD

caretaker bugging out for the 10th time was not fun

[ornate bone]

hunter user

🫵

[lavish swift]

I love Chorus so much

I recently changed to it from the two charged charge ability lol

It’s such a good “oh crap” button for when things go well and I love the team play zealot style more

Also it fits the battle sister theme I went for 😛

[ripe quest]

@royal vortex I'm not sure what build you were using w/ that bleed shotgun setup that was goofy but I'm testing some stuff and Onslaught w/ a Man-Stopper Flechette Lawby on Vet can be absurd.

It'll kill mixed hordes of small elites faster than a Plasma lmao

[astral latch]

New to zealot what's a good general melee and secondary?

[ripe quest]

Just about every melee weapon on Zealot is viable. Taxe and Combat Blade lean towards needing a bit of effort backing it to compete with other options. Pair your melee weapon with your ranged weapon in mind, generally just avoid the Infantry Lasguns.

Probs the most potent weapons available are Rashad/Antax Caxe with Brutal Momentum, Hsword with Deathblow, Columnus IAG, Zarona Revolver with Surgical + Hand-Cannon, and Flamer if running Fury of the Faithful.

If you want a really easy weapon combo to have a good loadout + it's easy to build, get a Crusher and an Agri/Graia Braced Autogun. Blessings and Perks in pins.

[fleet zealot]

Another scream tier “please explain this gap in your work history”

If u are reading this u are stinky and i stoled ur wallet and keys

[tropic harbor]

Can I have them back I gotta go to work

[fleet zealot]

No, i also stole your identity and will drive you to work tho

I only stole your identity so i can use your license i dont want to work

[tropic harbor]

Darn

[fleet zealot]

Dear god i have an autistic amount of saved ferret

[polar nexus]

Scattershot + Deadshot + no respite + onslaught on a Kant is quite silly too

[ripe quest]

You wouldn't use Scattershot for that iirc

Kant doesn't get the same damage benefit.

[polar nexus]

I do 1 special + 1 ads

It worked quite well

[pseudo anvil]

do you guys think this is worth it from the melkman?

[ripe quest]

No

Stamina goes to +3. If you really want it you can grab it and swap +Ordos and +Grim Resistance.

[pseudo anvil]

his other offerings are a lvl 3 wrath and a lvl 3 rampage chainswords

im not even sure at this point that lvl 4 blessings exist

[rigid trellis]

are you level 30?

[pseudo anvil]

yes

oh nvm, found a lvl 4 rampage

the other rolls suck

[ripe quest]

The damage blessings will offer more consistent buffs to your damage. Deathsplitter and FF will outdamage Scattershot + I recall it applying to the special shot.

[polar nexus]

Yeah. In theory. But my experience with ff or ds on a weapon that's not at autogun is mid. By the time I feel like I reap the benefits I have to reload.

[ripe quest]

It works pretty well for the Kant, just need to be closer to enemies.

Especially due to the fire rounds.

[polar nexus]

Usually, I am already in melee.

[polar nexus]

i have been abandonned twice after a clutch in auric hisgh T_T

the third group was the charm

[obtuse stirrup]

How do you not suck as a shroud knife zealot? I just started trying it and I love the pseudo-TF2 Spy gameplay it has but I feel like I'm missing something major. I'm running the build that takes Blazing Piety and ult recharge on crit and on backstab, but no Until Death because of point budgeting.

[rigid trellis]

kill all the specialists and ranged elites before everyone else even sees them

[fading vale]

I feel like the answer is basically always just get in there and kill shit

you don't really need stealth other than for ogryn kills or monstrosities

and you should also make sure to use stealth to pick people up

also kind of hard to imagine not being able to afford until death

[obtuse stirrup]

I like it to delay the time before the enemy backline turns around at least. In theory if I can keep stabbing backs I can stealth out of there too

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b3339c5-5dd1-4b62-8aa3-fe0b661e7cb1

I don't know how much of the early stuff I took is pointless jank

Running blade III and either Kantrael shotgun or Flamer

Like I don't know if that 20% increased infested and unyielding damage is worthwhile, that's a 2 point dip

[fading vale]

Rashad with piety is a bit weird

assuming piety, I'd say drop the 3 points on the right below sustained, and drop probably purge and then nab until death

[obtuse stirrup]

I didn't change the weapons in the build, I run combat blade III with uncanny and precog

[fading vale]

oh ok

well

you really want duellist too

esp with knife

is a huge damage buff

so maybe drop the ones above and also drop attack speed to get duellist

your gonna have plenty of default attack speed anyways

I'd also try to fit second wind....

[obtuse stirrup]

You mean Until Death?

[fading vale]

get second wind over the stealth toughness upgrade

[obtuse stirrup]

Ah, guess the last stealth node is pointless

[fading vale]

something like this is what I'm thinking

[obtuse stirrup]

No backstab cooldown reduction node makes me sad but I can see it working better

Until death will save me more than getting stealth back faster

[fading vale]

crit CDR should be enough

[polar nexus]

i have tested that exact setup

crit cdr is plenty enough

[obtuse stirrup]

Alright, this all makes sense. I won't miss the 20% damage on unyielding/infested?

I guess infested is just poxhounds and poxwalkers which are fire fodder anyway and not really my main focus, but I worry that losing unyielding damage makes me less good at assassinating Ogryn

[polar nexus]

Why don't you go momentum then?

I wonder why I waited so long to try marksman focus. Camo expert + Deadshot + surgical pairs very well.

[placid salmon]

i avoid taking loner just to not get complaints from teammates tbh lol

[polar nexus]

You shouldn't be ashamed

I don't always take ammo aura on vet too

[placid salmon]

do think the aura could be reworked a bit at least

[ember yew]

rn im using loner without even until death, while still completing auric matches with 700k+ damage on average, so doesn't matter in the end

[polar nexus]

Yeah on all characters

[ember yew]

as long as you can back it up

i miss until death tho

[placid salmon]

i suck too much

[ember yew]

i wanted to try loner since im always running somewhere erasing elites, plus i combined it with tougness regen

[obtuse stirrup]

Tbh I used to be very against Loner

[placid salmon]

i think it's interesting but i dont like that it robs both you and your team of an extra aura bonus

[obtuse stirrup]

But I realise that it's got value if you want to assassinate shooters

[fading vale]

none of the auras really matter, it's just the points round them

[obtuse stirrup]

The most important part of coherency aura is the basic part

[ember yew]

i usually backdoor all elites

so loner really works for me

[obtuse stirrup]

Only the Veteran ammo aura is actually very strong I think

[fading vale]

also your teammates clearly didn't kill a damn thing in that screenshot

like it takes effort to have that few kills

[placid salmon]

while we're on the topic, is there any popular weapon to use with shroudfield aside from the knife?

[fading vale]

hammer

caxe

[ember yew]

average pug teammates

[obtuse stirrup]

So ensuring you are never below 2 stacks at least means you are much harder to kill when you're behind enemy lines and don't have an easy escape route

[placid salmon]

i use the knife rn cause i have the rending backstab blessing so i can just one-shot crushers

[fading vale]

well it doesn't ensure, the coherency rules outside of being near teammates still apply afaik

so if you have enemies near you or take a stray bullet, no regen for x seconds

[obtuse stirrup]

I thought it was for shit speedrun zealots that run 2 rooms ahead, but it helps just taking care of yourself since stealth inherently isolates you

[obtuse stirrup]

Doesn't it also impact your toughness regeneration from kills?

[ember yew]

no, kills are separate

[obtuse stirrup]

Ooh, ok

They really should explain how coherency works better

[ember yew]

or toughness

[bleak apex]

That’s when we run away really far, right

[gilded lintel]

I never use the primary fire (use this in knife build) for fan the flames. Whats a good alternate blessing to try and get?

[obtuse stirrup]

Imo keep fan the flames anyway and use more primary

Rager protection

[gilded lintel]

I just throw a knife in their face

[vital dock]

the heavy sword is so good for horde clear now

heavy -> special = ez horde kill and scab gunner/rager

[obtuse stirrup]

for the Heavy Sword IX you can spam heavies for hordes

L1 -> heavy spam

you can also technically light spam but it's a bit worse

Heavy IX is good for anything smaller than an ogryn but struggles a bit there I think

[vocal pulsar]

it was always amazing at horde clear

it was, and is one of the best--if not the best--options for horde clear

[open pollen]

What does this checkmark mean?

[vocal pulsar]

they readied up

[open pollen]

This is in a post-win screen

Oh, merge strike team

[vocal pulsar]

my guess then it means they voted to keep ther strike team

yea

[open pollen]

Thank ye!

[vocal pulsar]

yw

[obtuse stirrup]

imagine if we had access to Illisi

wait, hang on, did I just heresy

[placid salmon]

Yea

i like how zealot has so many weapons where the optimal play isn't to spam lights or spam heavies, but a mix of both

[slate notch]

Struggles with everything carapace imo. I know almost everyone loves hsword IX and wish I'd do too. I think I hate that weapon 😦

[obtuse stirrup]

"Everything carapace" is just one type of ogryn tbf

maulers die to a few horizontal heavies

not so quickly but it's not that bad

just don't H1 the head

You gotta carry an armour-fucker for your ranged weapon imo

Zarona Revolver is made for the heavy sword

it's made for lots of weapons tbf

[slate notch]

Is not the best weapon to deal with maulers either. Is not bad I guess, but it doesn't shine either

[obtuse stirrup]

but heavy sword in particular

Yeah, it's servicable at least

much better than it does on crushers

I run headtaker/rampage instead of a deathblow so more elite killing power

and it's not as helpless vs crushers as, say, the old Ogryn BB is

the V -> H1 loop does work

it takes a while but it works

[vocal pulsar]

deathblow is gonna give you more elite killing power most of the time

15% weakspot damage at al times

[obtuse stirrup]

I can't change my blessings at this point

If I can get another heavy sword IX I'll make it a deathblow one

[slate notch]

I think I have the perfect (or almost perfect) Heavy IX, a very very veeeery good roll. I tried that weapon a lot of times but I just can't, must be a secret or something. I tried with heavies, avoiding the light spam, etc... Nothing, it feels so clunky and way worse than for example, Rashad

[obtuse stirrup]

but I made this one long before talent trees patch

[obtuse stirrup]

Are you running it on a crit build with blazing piety and fury of the faithful?

[vocal pulsar]

i have many god rolls

[slate notch]

rofl that's my weapon

[obtuse stirrup]

that normally works best for me on it

[slate notch]

Momentum, actually

[obtuse stirrup]

I like it a lot with crit build

it recharges fury of the faithful very quickly

so you can keep alive forever with the toughness recharge from it

and punch through crowds if a specialist shows up

[slate notch]

I tried too, not long ago in fact, maybe a week or so. Didn't see a huge difference, not enough to change my mind on it. Damn, I really want to like that sword

[obtuse stirrup]

the moment I fuck up and take a hit, I push F

and then about 5 seconds later my second charge of it comes back up

[brazen linden]

what curio's are usually used? (for martyrdom its pretty easy with all wounds mains, but what substats?) and what about crit build curio main and substats?

[obtuse stirrup]

Toughness mostly, idk if adding 1 health as well would be a good thing due to diminishing proportionate returns

[vocal pulsar]

stack toughness

[brazen linden]

so toughness substat and then.... gunner and sniper resist?

[vocal pulsar]

@brazen linden stack 3 of these

no need for sniper resist

if you really want sniper resist, just take one

no more than that

[slate notch]

My curios are mostly Health % with gunner/sniper resistance and more health probably

[vocal pulsar]

5%x2 or x3 toughness wil do more for you than sniper resist

if you have bleed for the emp, definitely dont take sniper resist

[slate notch]

Can do both I think

[vocal pulsar]

bleed for the emp lets you tank snipers enough as it is

[slate notch]

Nvm, you mean for a martyrdom build. I thought it was just in general

[vocal pulsar]

me? no

[kind sapphire]

I have a maniac perk on my mark 3 combat knife, is carapace on it worth it as the 2nd?

[vocal pulsar]

5% toughness will do more for you than sniper resist on pretty much any build

[slate notch]

21% Health

• Gunner resistance
• Sniper resistance
• 4% toughness / health

[obtuse stirrup]

ok, so about that new heavy sword I was talking about

[vocal pulsar]

especially on a health curio, i wouldnt run sniper resist

[obtuse stirrup]

here's what Melk has today

that's an instant snap up, right? Swap sweep to deathblow and infested to flak or maniac?

[vocal pulsar]

i have one build where i st ack hp

i have 3 of these

zero need for sniper resist ,especially with all that hp

how many times will you get sniped in a game? most games you dont. sometimes you'll get sniped once. if yo uare extremely unlucky, you will get sniped twice in a game.

[slate notch]

Well, that's a good point

[vocal pulsar]

how many times will you take toughness damage in a game

constantly

i would only really consider running sniper resist on psyker

or vet

[polar nexus]

Psyker CDR aura is very good too

[vocal pulsar]

i'd only run it on zealot if i was running a build without until death

but every zealot should be running until death

[brazen linden]

would martyrdom turn OP if it stopped melee damage bleed through from melee attacks when at 5 stacks (while increasing the damage dealt to toughness?)

[obtuse stirrup]

potentially crit aura too

[vocal pulsar]

martyrdom is already op

[long sluice]

@vocal pulsar just hit 30 on my zealot, can I see your whole tree? You don't run any stamia curio and or stam regen?

[vocal pulsar]

no stamina curio

absolutely not necessary on zealot

[obtuse stirrup]

oh also

[vocal pulsar]

zealot has alot of base stamina

i would only consider s tamina curio on vet or maybe psyker

[obtuse stirrup]

for knife build, what should I change here?

[vocal pulsar]

what weapon or key stone do you want to use

because i have many builds/trees

[south folio]

and zealot regens 1.5 bars of stamina every second compared to the other classes which regen 1 bar of stamina

so zealot is also doing well on that front baseline

[vocal pulsar]

this too

so not much need for stam regen either, on zealot

[royal vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/scarab-beetle-flying-go-my-scarab-gif-1372646788661438174

[south folio]

wtf

[royal vortex]

scarabmaxing

[south folio]

get out

[royal vortex]

rude

[vocal pulsar]

90% of the time, youre gonna want 3x of these

[long sluice]

still expirmenting a lot, but I want to use bottom left keystone and chain sword. I tried this one, I love the speed on it, the big 2H one is sweet also.

[vocal pulsar]

there are 2 two handers

[long sluice]

yeah two hander is also ok, I like both.. This 1H one I just love how fast it is, even if not as good.

[vocal pulsar]

mk 2 evis wants this

[royal vortex]

if u wanna use the 13g for crit i'd try to get wrath/shred as blessings on it

[long sluice]

Does this one mean we can sprint at shooters/gunners etc and not get hit?

[royal vortex]

the attacks have low baseline cleave so without a cleave blessing ur getting a very small amount of ult cdr per crit swing

[vocal pulsar]

@long sluice this is a basic setup that has some of zealot's most useful/powerful feats

[long sluice]

Forsure, I literally just hit 30.. that one was a reward at like lv 27 or something.

[royal vortex]

it "just" means u dont get staggered from any source

[vocal pulsar]

it includes the left keystone (blazing piety)

[karmic sparrow]

Worth investing into or is the mark15 eviscerator better?

[south folio]

you still get hit, but you won't get staggered or knocked back

[royal vortex]

which is v powerful but you'll still take ranged chip damage

[royal vortex]

that's a godroll for the mk 2

[south folio]

so you can just hold W and sprint towards ranged enemies without getting staggered

[royal vortex]

both evis models are good

[south folio]

since, if you've noticed, you will otherwise always get staggered by ranged attacks whenever you're sprinting or out of toughness

[royal vortex]

(although u really should be sprint sliding at them)

[long sluice]

thx

[south folio]

pants are expensive

[brazen linden]

i want a non chainsword claymore....

[royal vortex]

no aquilas L

[south folio]

god gave us infinite no-cost healthcare in the form of holy revenant

[royal vortex]

and then satan reduced it to 25% max

[south folio]

so tragic

bad talent 😔

[frank night]

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[royal vortex]

hello mittins

[brazen linden]

me when im farming for new weapons

[frank night]

greet

[royal vortex]

at least now u can take FRA without just being down 1/6 of ur talent points

[south folio]

until death should be 90s and holy rev 100% again just so that it can compete against FRA, of course

[royal vortex]

so TRUE

[copper hawk]

i hit 1.0k melee dmg in a matche..

[south folio]

psyker?

[royal vortex]

now to see if that melee only maelstrom recorded properly

[vocal pulsar]

you did 1000 melee damage? that is amazing

[south folio]

don't post the one where i died 2 times

[slate notch]

Just saw a blue promising rashad and said: "Hey, gonna try, I might get lucky"

[royal vortex]

thats the one i was gonna post

smh

[south folio]

i will preemptively say that I know no "derlins"

[copper hawk]

mankar i love readin ur textz in like

[south folio]

and am not associated with them

[copper hawk]

ur deadpan tone

it makez everythin so much better

[south folio]

i am a psyker main through and through and would never play vet

[copper hawk]

[vocal pulsar]

than you cica

[royal vortex]

it did record properly

[south folio]

a lifeless tone devoid of any humanity

[royal vortex]

great success

[copper hawk]

lmfao

the luck in questio

[vocal pulsar]

i am your death

[copper hawk]

i am ur breath

[south folio]

see? an immediate leap to murder

what a vile human being

[vocal pulsar]

you have killed 3 men

[south folio]

so

maybe I had sound justification for it

whereas your motivations here are self-evidently immoral and a act of passion

[vocal pulsar]

and an act*****

learn to spell

[south folio]

you will die

[vocal pulsar]

craven fool

[south folio]

so true

[royal vortex]

pot

meet latino kettle

[vocal pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-minor-s-spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-gif-10940848928744248792

[royal vortex]

lmao

[copper hawk]

Por

Pot

Latino kettle

[vocal pulsar]

pol pot

https://tenor.com/view/u-mad-bro-are-you-mad-laugh-gif-16928815

[copper hawk]

Pol pingas

[royal vortex]

stan has deemed arco latino

[copper hawk]

Mankar

U wouldnt drink the wizard'z brew™️

[vocal pulsar]

aye

[copper hawk]

I thinkz

[vocal pulsar]

is it alcoholic

[copper hawk]

U r a square .

A rhomboze .

[vocal pulsar]

i dont drink alcohol

[south folio]

he's trying to rewrite history

[copper hawk]

Arco is asian

And 58 yrs young

[south folio]

no i'm latino

[south folio]

very true

[copper hawk]

58 yrs mold

(He is decomposin in my addict)

[south folio]

now listen here you whippersnapper

[copper hawk]

Ill whip ur snap

Isdiot

Stimky,

[south folio]

with what hands huh

[copper hawk]

My vry strong handz ,

That r Not soft ,

Fake new

LURKER

!!!

I killz u ..

[slate notch]

Is the hsword Mk Vi worth?

It's pretty similar to the IX

[sharp zodiac]

It's a preference thing

[slate notch]

between heavy blows I guess, right? It's so similar that is almost identical if it wasn't for the heavy sweeps

[tired hawk]

what's the primary difference between the two eviscerators

[slate star]

should I switch out Perfect Strike for Savage Sweep?

[sharp zodiac]

Single target is better on the newer one and horde clear is better on the older one

[brazen linden]

deathblow is better i believe

[sharp zodiac]

Deathblow

Allows you to ignore enemy hit mass a lot more consistently without the need on crits

[slate star]

I don't have it yet

[sharp zodiac]

Ah

[long sluice]

does this include dodges on ranged attacks?

[slate star]

I have level 3 savage sweep tho

[sharp zodiac]

Yes

[slate star]

what is best in slot for the Mk IX blessings?

[long sluice]

nice, what do you think second wind or scourge?

[sharp zodiac]

Second wind

[copper hawk]

second wind

[sharp zodiac]

Scourge is only good for crit focused shenanigans

[long sluice]

scourge pairs with all these really well no?

[sharp zodiac]

Yes, but in terms of toughness gain vs that regaining toughness is your go to

What does your tree look like?

May be able to switch aroo something's

[vocal pulsar]

scourge is good for crit

but second wind is amazing for everything

that's why i picked it

[long sluice]

just like mankar suggested

I just played a game and it was great

[vocal pulsar]

second wind, thy wrath be swift, until death/holy revenant are some 'must haves' for almost every zealot bild

[slate star]

@sharp zodiac is Headtaker something I would want to keep or change?

[sharp zodiac]

Keep

Extremely helpful

[slate notch]

not only keep, is basically a must

[slate star]

thanks

too bad it's 3 instead of 4

[slate notch]

it'll work

[slate star]

at least it rolled 25% flak that's pretty nice

[sharp zodiac]

Don't always gotta shoot for the highest, 3 will get the job done

And yeah

[long sluice]

you really don't need perfect weapons to perform great imo

they will come eventually

[fleet zealot]

Aim for the top

And burn in orbit

[long sluice]

but must of us prob have some form of OCD and want all the perfect numbers.

[fleet zealot]

/joke

[slate star]

is it worth to switch out Perfect Strike 3 for SS 3 for now though?

I am playing crit zealot

[sharp zodiac]

Heavy sword with a crit build isn't too great so yeah

[slate star]

I'm going to play with Perfect first to get a feel for the change before and after

[sharp zodiac]

Alright

[slate notch]

Can anyone link a good martyrdom build?

Or is it pinned?

[placid salmon]

scourge is nice because once you get some crits off, you can just walk away from a horde

[vocal pulsar]

@slate notch

[tired hawk]

swag

[vocal pulsar]

this curio x3

you could also do 2x wound curio, 1 hp curio

there is also the high hp half martyr build

[long sluice]

Mankar have you tried any Devils Claw setup

[vocal pulsar]

not really

[slate notch]

Ok thanks. I was looking at the pinned one. It goes on the left instead right at the beggining. To get bleed for the emperor

[vocal pulsar]

bleed for the emperor is made for martyrdom

however,

if you intend on staying at low hp the whole game

then bleed for the emp isnt gonna help much

second wind will help more, if planning to stay at low hp

[slate notch]

probably a mix of both. Will probably have to deal with some situations where I need the extra health before I can allow myself going low hp

[placid salmon]

stacking wounds with bleed for the emperor without martyrdom does make for some nice health-tanking

[vocal pulsar]

i have a max hp build with 4 wounds with bleed for the emp

pretty much unkillable

150 toughness, 376 hp, 4 wounds

[slate void]

So what's the difference between the Ironhelm and Crucis thunderhammers

[vocal pulsar]

ironhelm special attack does 25% less damage than crucis thammer

but ironhelm special attack cleaves through minor horde enemies, hitting the bigger elite/special enemy in the horde

whereas crucis will strike whatever enemy it hits first

both are good

[slate void]

Ah, so Crucis is the oneshotter

[vocal pulsar]

they both one shot most things

crucis can do it a bit better though, if mastered

[slate void]

Melk was offering a nice Ironhelm with Slaughterer 4

[vocal pulsar]

i prefer ironhelm, personally

but both are good

i just find ironhelm's heavy 3 strike down attack fun

[slate void]

I haven't really touched the hammers
I stick to Evis and Turtle

[vocal pulsar]

just in case you didnt know

you want your thammers set up like this

except, swap carapace/elite damage to flak

that said, carapace/elite damage are still decent perks

[slate void]

I was about to say lol

[vocal pulsar]

but thrust and slaughterer/headtaker and unyielding dmg perk are must haves

[slate void]

No flak?

[vocal pulsar]

build reccomendation for thammer

they need to buff thammer carapace dmg

since new chaxe came out, i havent been thammer much

[slate void]

I still prefer old chaxe

[vocal pulsar]

this setup one shots everything except bosses, without chastise

thammer needs chastise to one shot some things

[fading vale]

no duellist or desperation smh

[vocal pulsar]

what's yours lookin like these days lazorr

[tulip valve]

[fleet zealot]

5 hours of sleep hit hard

[placid salmon]

trying out stealth zealot again, was doing really good and then i got greedy lol

the failure of all stealth zealots i think

[obtuse stirrup]

I asked earlier but don't think I got an answer, but what should I do to this kantrael shotgun for stealth knife zealot?

[obtuse stirrup]

your faith in the emperor was lacking.

[placid salmon]

a little more faith and i would've survived 3 scab gunners

[mystic ether]

Emperor worthless. It's your Naruto run saving the day

And yeah overextended without ways back/cover etc. Will drop you long before anything else.

[mystic ether]

Run around with it briefly try it out directly

[obtuse stirrup]

I have done and it feels great already

I wouldn't be surprised if all I have to do is upgrade one of the IIIs to a IV

[placid salmon]

i'm amused by the fact that momentum benefits from running in circles in an elevator

it's not necessary but it helps

[obtuse stirrup]

I cannot figure out when to use Momentum, all my Zealot builds end up going Blazing Piety

That crit ult refresh is too good

[placid salmon]

yeah

i mean you can kinda cheese backstab cooldown with pushes but crit cooldown is insane

[obtuse stirrup]

Maybe for thunder hammer

[placid salmon]

my buddy notified me of the fact that the punch on the knives lets you follow up immediately with a heavy attack, uncharged

[obtuse stirrup]

Since you have the time to go to Holy Terra and back between swings

[placid salmon]

very good to know

[tired hawk]

when it comes to the eviscerator, what's the best way to use it? i'm not too familiar with the intricacies of it and whatnot

for example

why does the heavy attack deal less damage than light

[obtuse stirrup]

Which eviscerator?

[tired hawk]

mk ii

[obtuse stirrup]

Both of them are very different iirc

II is the trickier but more rewarding one iirc but I have never really made it work

[sharp zodiac]

2's is capable of being stuck on thicker massed enemies for short revs

[placid salmon]

so remind me, rending benefits against maniac and unyielding, not just flak and carapace, right?

[sharp zodiac]

However lighters it'll pass through

I like to do a light to overhead heavy to guarantee a cut through

[tired hawk]

i see

[sharp zodiac]

Because the overhead one guarantees it unlike the side heavy

But against weaker enemies you can either horizontal heavy to light repeat or rev and horizontal heavy for the ez cleave through

[placid salmon]

i have 5 zealot builds and 4 of them use the crusher, this is a problem

[sharp zodiac]

Yes

[tired hawk]

is reving any different on the eviscerator than the cadia

[sharp zodiac]

Yes