zealot-class

[sage river]

So let me get this straight

Everybody hates the game
Nobody likes the updates
And people still play it?

[sterile stone]

Yeah

Just like league of legends

[sage river]

That sounds word for word like Destiny 2

[sterile stone]

Just like rust

Just like destiny

[sage river]

Why are the games with good formulas always the ones that have developers that ruin their own game?

[still quartz]

Welcome to "maybe public opinion isn't what they say it is"

[solar obsidian]

theres no game like for honor. No alternatives. It scratches an itch that nobody else can scratch. The warrior roleplay feat decapitation and yelling

[sterile stone]

This

[still quartz]

And also that

[sage river]

this more specifically

[still quartz]

Like when the game gets good, it's fucking gooood

But mileage varies too much

[light holly]

Smmh

I mean like this is the issue with ubi games like rainbow sox

[solar obsidian]

do yall use keyboard and mouse or controller on pc?

[light holly]

People may dislike it but damn is it popular as hell

[light holly]

KnM

[still quartz]

KnM

[sage river]

Theres no alternative to destiny, but I'm sure the moment a game that works as a competitive alternative is released, the game is gonna lose about 60% of its playerbase

[still quartz]

Controller made it too hard to Light parry versus PC players

[sterile stone]

What

[still quartz]

Warframe exists

[shadow ember]

I figured it out, please try this if you have nothing better to do, tell me how it feels to play

[still quartz]

Don't "what" me, bozo

You actin like you a god or some shit

[sage river]

It is NOT like destiny 2 in the right ways

[sterile stone]

I've literally never heard a single soul

[still quartz]

Then I will be the first soul to say it

[sterile stone]

Say playing with a controller is harder than a MnK

Gotta be smoking that crazy stuff

[solar obsidian]

specifically for parry

[still quartz]

I can't Light parry as much on a Controller versus MnK

[solar obsidian]

everything else is better on controler imo

[still quartz]

My fucking thumb doesn't move fast enough

Compared to my entire hand

[sterile stone]

EVOLVE

[copper hawk]

omg

[sterile stone]

GET A BIONIC THUMB

[copper hawk]

talkin about 4honor

i love 4honor

4honor numba wun fan..

[shadow ember]

isnt it hard to precision aim on controller?

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/atsuko-kagari-akko-akko-happy-akko-celebrating-akko-is-the-winner-gif-22434151

[solar obsidian]

how the fuck do you guys toggle between enemies on MnK? I miss that on controller the most

[sage river]

The only major similarities between destiny and warframe are abilities and being looter shooters, its like saying rainbow 6 siege and overwatch are alternatives if that makes sense

[shadow ember]

I just swing where I think I have the best dice roll chance of hitting something important

it works enoughish times

[still quartz]

Leave your soft-shelled skin of a crab and turn into something more majestic like a coconut crab before you come at me with your yee-yee ass crab claws

Those belong to Souls games

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/angai313-folding-gif-20015031

[still quartz]

I press the Lock-On button again and realize that maybe I should've fuckin thought about working that out cause me relocking killed me multiple times

I'll check again today when I try and get gudder with Kyoshin

I have to make this work

I can't rely on Warmonger all the time to do my dirty work for me

Extended Unblockable Dodge Heavy too good...

[sage river]

Now if we had a first person looter shooter based on similarly fast gameplay and replayability, and also had a bit of space magic, that would be a better alternative to Destiny
Even better if they can get good matchmaking on raids if they're included. As long as Bungie doesn't make it, it'll likely be better with age

[solar obsidian]

The lock on with MnK make it almost unplayable for me without controller

[sharp zodiac]

Swiss

[still quartz]

Not very provolone of you

[sage river]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-souls-dance-fortnite-gif-19664902

[still quartz]

Hmm

Terrible pepperjack

[sharp zodiac]

I ate him

[still quartz]

Ah

I see

[sharp zodiac]

Lupo grindset

[still quartz]

[hardy lake]

because weebs are the consoomers in videogames

[sage river]

unfortunately

[hardy lake]

chads who love asian culture tend to be china lovers instead of japan

pure bromances in legends of old china

[ivory marlin]

Wheres argus

[sharp zodiac]

Destroyed

[ivory marlin]

Damn

Rip argus

No more hot gossip for him ig

[sharp zodiac]

He will be back in 1 business days

[ivory marlin]

Sucks for him this hot gossip is a today only deal

[median steeple]

should've paid for prime

[ivory marlin]

Real

[sterile stone]

After reading this

I can safely say

Kalhoun ain't ballin

[ivory marlin]

Holy shit

Its argus

[sharp zodiac]

Seigneur de loups Deluxe édition this wouldn't have happened

What the fuck

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/window-jump-jump-out-window-escape-gif-13847937

[ivory marlin]

Im going on a date today

[still quartz]

I really am not, man

[ivory marlin]

Thats the hot gossip for today

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/wedding-crasher-hro-gif-25636997

[still quartz]

Trying to become a better person

And it just backfires

[sterile stone]

You've always got yer maties

[still quartz]

Once a loser, always a loser

[ivory marlin]

Me too me too

[still quartz]

[ivory marlin]

[sterile stone]

Friend of mine reminded me of you

We were talking about MtG

And I reminded him about the fallout collab

[ivory marlin]

Hey i know that game

[sharp zodiac]

Back shooting

[still quartz]

What did he do

[still quartz]

Ambuscade talent

[sharp zodiac]

Intelligence required for the talent

15

[median steeple]

backshots even

this cat is an enemy of the state

[sharp zodiac]

It's me

[hardy lake]

its basicaly the difference between oldschool devs and game as service

[sage river]

Kind of yeah

[sterile stone]

Beans

[quick gulch]

what would you give up for it? Or if you could point me in the direction of a better laid out one

[sharp zodiac]

Where

[sterile stone]

See that's a secret

A feller don't just reveal where the beans are

Ehh

Spill the beans if you will

[ripe quest]

The least clash-y change would just be dropping the +melee attack speed. You'll get that same attack speed plus ranged attack speed, melee and ranged damage, and dodge buffs if you can stack more Momentum stacks.

[coarse birch]

Id personally just drop crit cdr as i generally dont take crit cdr on a non crit build

Although idk what loadout you have

[quick gulch]

Just started putting it together, going to try Mk3 knife with precog+uncanny strike, and a purgatus flamer. Probably 1-2 toughness curios and maybe 1 stamina +3 curio for a nice mix. Toughness regen, stamina regen, gunner resist if possible

[fallen forum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNEzD5n6SAs

[split phoenix]

hey can i pick yalls brains for perk suggestions on my tigrus eviscerator?

[median steeple]

flak, maniac

or flak, elites

[split phoenix]

perfect. appreciate you

[median steeple]

I recommend this one over elites

[sterile stone]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BD1vHgYRgg

[left iron]

I will get 600k boss damage

Any day now

[placid fiber]

only 572k? smh

rookie numbers

[buoyant pecan]

Only a coward falls shy of 600k

[fallen forum]

SCO'LAND! FOREVVVVVVA!
Man I loved that scene in how to train your dragon

[ruby moss]

Are there any useful charger or shroud zealots out there?

[south folio]

top 10 loaded questions

[minor sage]

does ur mom know ur dumb?

[south folio]

i cri

[minor sage]

[acoustic dune]

whats the 5 gb update

[coarse birch]

crash fixes

cosmetic fixes

[minor sage]

they removed vet

from the game

[acoustic dune]

yooo

[coarse birch]

pog???

[minor sage]

now wake up

[pale kelp]

m-m-muh ammo

[acoustic dune]

did they finally added space marine?

or chaos marine ?

[pale kelp]

yes. for a measly 50k aquillas, you can buy yourself the space marine class

unlimited toughness, stam and you do 500% damage

[sterile stone]

eggmongus

[acoustic dune]

wow cant wait to see ill survive the space marine process

after paying 50k aquilla

[pale kelp]

it's a part of the experience~

gotta roll the dice, give in to the chance, it's for added immersion

[acoustic dune]

anyhow anyone wanna see my zealot drawing of the emeperor?

[pale kelp]

yes.

[acoustic dune]

hang on lemme find it

[coral smelt]

Nobody playing karnak twins anymore:( I cant get my badge now

[acoustic dune]

there

[ripe quest]

We'll see when dataminers can grab the juicy deets

[muted vale]

how long will be twins up? if time limited?

[acoustic dune]

prob a season

[ripe quest]

They're up forever, unless something random happens.

[acoustic dune]

iz my guess

[pale kelp]

why would you do this to me

[muted vale]

so jsut for sure, when season ends? .)

[acoustic dune]

what you mEn

[ripe quest]

It's been said by Fatshark that they'll keep it up for the foreseeable future.

[acoustic dune]

what you dont draw yourself kissing the big E

?

are you even a loyalist?

btw this is the full drawing

[pale kelp]

it

...is a good drawing. good job pilgrim...

[pale kelp]

I wish.

[acoustic dune]

he is the emperor weakest zealot

all my art skill was put into this btw

[pale kelp]

yooo I'ma steal it

then your art skill shall be MINE

Muahahahaa

[pale kelp]

real.

[acoustic dune]

nuh uh

[pale kelp]

is gud tho, props

[acoustic dune]

i activate my trap card

no u

[pale kelp]

damn..

[acoustic dune]

ill now do draw the zealot kissing big E

[pale kelp]

we'll get em next time

[acoustic dune]

any request?

[pale kelp]

freudian slip.

[acoustic dune]

fuck it ill do both

[pale kelp]

please sir, spare mine eyes

that's the spirit

[acoustic dune]

sure ill add you to it

[pale kelp]

nOOOOO

[acoustic dune]

lets see how long bf i get bored

[placid fiber]

Make sure to add fresh meat

[dark zealot]

just fumbled a run because i accidentally charged a daemonhost

[acoustic dune]

congrat

[placid fiber]

@fading vale Remember "Fresh Meat"?

[dark zealot]

i tanked it down to about 20-30% of its health

[acoustic dune]

no one is brave enough to add on a deomon host before

[dark zealot]

and they cant finish it before the 2nd person died

[placid fiber]

Found it

[south folio]

https://streamable.com/xmf7r9

[bronze phoenix]

What level should I be minimum before attempting the “just a flesh wound” penance

[placid fiber]

Followed by fresh wheat

[dark zealot]

this is why i should never use fury of the faithful

[royal vortex]

just deleted a shit ton of scoreboards

i am free

[dark zealot]

wow spore be looking weird

[quick gulch]

Is this Darktide or ReBoot

[dark zealot]

i think the problem was i didnt put on the armour with the funny skull mask

[rancid ibex]

Ahh, nostalgia

[pale kelp]

homie's playing roblox goddam

[south folio]

gamer graphics

[acoustic dune]

peak

how many flying ragdoll can you put on that

[south folio]

a whole big number of 1

(0 ragdolls just crashes your game)

[placid fiber]

Arco remember fresh meat?

[south folio]

🤔

[placid fiber]

I found it

[south folio]

horrifying

both fresh meat and what dough just posted

[placid fiber]

It's a great meme lol

Lazorr dressed up in beef xD

[acoustic dune]

how do i

[placid fiber]

Yes

That's how

[acoustic dune]

''retro'' darktide

[dark zealot]

now that scares me

[placid fiber]

@acoustic dune Like this

[acoustic dune]

is that lady gaga

[south folio]

there's some numbers that you can change in the user_settings.config file

[acoustic dune]

or mademoiselle high lord of terra gaga?

[placid fiber]

XD

Arco! They think it's lady gaga

Poor Lazorr

[acoustic dune]

is it not?

[placid fiber]

it is not

It's Lazorr's character dressed up in fresh meat with a wheat filter put over it

[coarse birch]

theres a lot of shit i could give arco for

his graphics are not one of them

its art

[acoustic dune]

who is this lazzor?

[acoustic dune]

its retro

[lean lark]

a regular here

[acoustic dune]

like ye olden days

[lean lark]

knowledgeable in the game and in the mechanics

[coarse birch]

i really debated spamming messages so that reacting to that message was more annoying

[south folio]

bitch

[pale kelp]

Now this, this is how darktide was meant to be played

[coarse birch]

🙂

[placid fiber]

Who, me?

I love doing this ^

3 seperate emotes, proven by reactions

[placid fiber]

Have a free picture lol

[south folio]

jumpscare

[coarse birch]

wait

didnt you just say

that bitch is for mittins and sometimes josho

[south folio]

the times have changed

[coarse birch]

damn just like that

[misty mason]

I do wish we oculd get an idea of whats coming up

Shame we have that part of the community being so toxic that the CMs dont M the C

[north sedge]

🤔

[naive star]

Got 76 Stamina Curio, was it above that or 76 is enough?

[acoustic dune]

depends

is it good

[left iron]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-bruh-annoyed-gif-21339312

[naive star]

I mean, it can show +3 stamina, but its not really that, if rating not high enough, and 76+ was told

So 75 is +2 and 76 is +3?

[sharp zodiac]

Finally back from the orthodontist

[naive star]

75 rating shows +3 stamina, but its actually fake and gets rounded down

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-wag-no-no-no-gif-27552536

[acoustic dune]

lads i am drawing a pogryn pointing

what is he pointing at

[sharp zodiac]

Door

[acoustic dune]

door?

[coarse birch]

door

[acoustic dune]

would you like to see what i drew right now

[hushed knoll]

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah

[dark zealot]

average zealot game; game crashes

[acoustic dune]

here

[sharp zodiac]

Amazing

[dark zealot]

bakery

[acoustic dune]

now what is he pointing at

[ripe quest]

gamer graphics

4x4 textures per surface goes hard

[pale kelp]

now that is gamer

[rancid ibex]

So I've just started a zealot from scratch and tried my first knife build. I don't see the appeal. I'm probably doing it wrong.

[pale kelp]

whats the mod?

[acoustic dune]

what grapic mod is that?

potato mod?

[pale kelp]

jinx

[ripe quest]

It's a config

You replace your settings file w/ it and it nukes your game for free

[coarse birch]

Now we're gaming

I like how the chainsword still looks decent lol

[ripe quest]

It's a Chaxe

[pale kelp]

you can't nuke the drip

[distant lark]

Zealot will always suck

[ripe quest]

Just a tad bit dented

[pale kelp]

anything but that

[coarse birch]

I think arco mentioned its because of how the textures are split up

[pale kelp]

:(

[sterile stone]

https://tenor.com/view/speechless-nathan-fillion-castle-stumped-gif-5469000

[ripe quest]

Knife is considered a weaker weapon rn, it can perform well for single target but it's crowd damage is kinda capped at below average at best. If you run a weapon like a Kant Shotgun or a Flamer it'll cover the weakness and you'll be fine in that regard. Uncanny + Precog/Executor/Riposte for blessings.

[split ibex]

What's your setup?

[ripe quest]

The models for unfinished weapons are completely unaffected by the config as well

[vivid hawk]

forsake knife, embrace bonk

[ripe quest]

Bolt Pistol and DB are both like, full poly models

[rancid ibex]

Well, I'm only at lvl 6, so options are limited. I just wanted to try a low level build and try something new

[dark zealot]

bet the stats are horrible?

[split ibex]

Oh yeah knife is a lvl 30 build

[coarse birch]

Knife is also significantly more work for about half the reward of the better weapons

[ripe quest]

Knife is reliant on the blessings a tad yeah.

[coarse birch]

You at least need uncanny

I cant imagine playing without it

[ripe quest]

It's fine for single target, similar to what a Caxe can put out.

[dark zealot]

look at first stats, hey thats not bad...

[ripe quest]

Also ~10k damage on a push attack against unyielding bosses

[coarse birch]

Half might be hyperbole

[dark zealot]

the rest of it however

[dark zealot]

the problem with that statement is there are some better weapons and they are all braindead or easy to build

the worse weapons still have better horde clear for the most part

[ripe quest]

It is a bit loadout limiting tbf. Annoying to build around due to it.

[dark zealot]

or are still braindead

[spare dome]

yea but other weapons dont let me run at almost 8 units a second

so fuck em

[coarse birch]

Yeah you gotta take certain guns or at least immos

[dark zealot]

then you have the knife with a few hyper niches and generally not as good horde clear and a limiting build

[spare dome]

ima be real i dont really uh

[coarse birch]

I havent tried mk6 yet

[spare dome]

subscribe at all with the fascination or desire to build for horde clear

because hordes are just the weakest shit to deal with, with any weapon

[dark zealot]

your the melee class in a horde shooter

[rancid ibex]

Hmm. Then why is youtube full of meme builds about one-shotting daemonhosts with a toothpick and such?

[minor sage]

a lot of people don't know how to control a horde with movement + pushes lol

[spare dome]

if anybody is dying to hordes due to my inability to handle it for them, it is not my problem

[minor sage]

so they need a weapon that can spam lmb and facecheck trash

[dark zealot]

if the melee cant horde clear well... your just a crippled vet

[spare dome]

yeah i do not miss old brutal momentum caxe meta

[minor sage]

well no lol

being able to run fast is a pretty big deal

[spare dome]

plus you can punch people in the face

can't put a bar on that

[rancid ibex]

Truly the highlight of the build

[dark zealot]

its nice for being the run around guy who collects loot

[ripe quest]

Flamer

[minor sage]

well everyone should be doing that lol

[dark zealot]

this is the single greatest argument for it

[dark zealot]

not ideal when you have two ogryns and a vet

[acoustic dune]

arlight finished drawing

[dark zealot]

you can do it faster and safer than the big lads and id hope the vet is focussed on killing the problem enemies than collecting loot

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/xqc-spin-gif-21121522

[acoustic dune]

the zealot expirience

[minor sage]

idk lol i always think people who subscribe to "roles" are terrible

if you can't handle every single enemy type and situation type

your build is shit

[spare dome]

if anyone on my team is dying to hordes with any loadout ima just leave them cause they clearly need the practice

[dark zealot]

im not going to call the flamer bad but your using up the teams ammo pool to do something you should do at no ammo cost

[minor sage]

wot

flamer is good as fuck lol

[north sedge]

🤔

[ripe quest]

no dude my HT/Deci Taxe w/ Revolver carries

[dark zealot]

except you can do the flamers niche with 90% of melees and use no resource

[spare dome]

wtf who leaked my super secret build to ex

[ripe quest]

idk I think nuking patrols def should have an ammo cost lol

[minor sage]

it literally cleans out melee elite packs and mixed hordes with like 20 ammo

and at no risk

lol no

fighting melee elite packs and mixed hordes are inherently risky

[acoustic dune]

dude just bbq them or smth

[spare dome]

what should i play today

[minor sage]

because sometimes people are going to mess up a dodge, you are going to mess up a dodge

[dark zealot]

you have grenades for that

[minor sage]

and get overheaded

[acoustic dune]

thats how i deal with armored lads

[ripe quest]

I love it so much I can just rely on my teammates to carry. Argus was going to be my first victim but the CIA pulled him out of the game to stop my rampage early.

[minor sage]

well if i'm gonna be bringing a flamer

[rancid ibex]

I have heard it argued that the flamer is spectacular for stunning

[minor sage]

i'm going to be bringing knives

so i'm not completely useless

[spare dome]

yes flamer left click CC is underutilized

[minor sage]

against snipers and shit

[acoustic dune]

throwing knife?

or

[dark zealot]

just get lucky and have a psyker who doesnt bring the pointless aimbot

[ripe quest]

I do not see Zealot grenades nuking crushers.

[minor sage]

tbh you sound like you play on malice lol

[rancid ibex]

And which one is that, for when I switch back to Psyker?

[minor sage]

cuz assail isn't even that good

[rancid ibex]

Ah, Assail. Of course

[minor sage]

it's like the knife, you put in twice the work to do the same amount as someone using vs or surge

[spare dome]

today's menu

[dark zealot]

cuz you arent using them to do that?

[minor sage]

cuz assail is pretty dogshit unless you're weaving

[dark zealot]

(though the vet can)

[minor sage]

and if you're weaving well it becomes pretty decent

[dark zealot]

this is just stupid, please never say that

[minor sage]

xDD

[spare dome]

the problem is he's kinda right

[dark zealot]

the problem is its ad hominem, not relevant and is just poiting the finger with some made up straw man to force an argument

[north sedge]

Why flamer weak 😔

[heavy bronze]

If you need someone that plays malice just ping me. I like laughing at people that think it matters.

[minor sage]

Nothing wrong with playing malice if you enjoy it bud, just that game balance is a bit different on different difficulties.

[dark zealot]

Assail on every level is just terrible, on lower difficulties its a crutch and means you cant do much because the psykers aimbot already picked off the straglers before you can bonk em and later on why use it

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/cope-seethe-mald-cope-seethe-mald-we-cope-seethe-mald-gif-24459955

[sinful saddle]

none of it matters its a casual game 😄

[heavy bronze]

Yeah, no shit. I play em all. I'm happy in Malice cause I'm usually tired after work. But it doesn't matter.

[sinful saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-t-a-team-gif-23481964

[spare dome]

ooo

[dark zealot]

also malice and even uprising are great, if you aren't level 30 and want to level up fast those are just more efficient

[spare dome]

i just find the game wayyyyyyy too slow below Aurics

[dark zealot]

slow?

[spare dome]

i got one friend who never steps out of malice and we'll play

and i feel like the uncle at the family reunion trying real hard not to roll over his nieces and nephews at the football game

[chilly kiln]

Drag him into heresy

Give him a taste

[sinful saddle]

I just do damnation as soon as it unlocks malice feels so slow and uneventful to me tbh

[ivory pumice]

aurics are nice and all, but the constant presence of enemies just has me pucking my ass the whole ride
I need a little more downtime between crap flying everywhere to appreciate the game lol

[sinful saddle]

you can get to lvl 30 in about 3-4 hours

[chilly kiln]

Auric is a bit too much for me sometimes

[minor sage]

sure; but my comment was mainly talking about the fact that flamer is quite performant at auric histg levels of gameplay

[spare dome]

wdym you can just take a breather during the hordes (:

[minor sage]

knives shore up a lot of the flamers weaknesses by giving you mid-long range killing power as well as a draw-time animation cancel

[heavy bronze]

When I'm done working all I wanna do is get baked and do a little heretic killin. Too tired and baked to be running around on Auric.

[sinful saddle]

ngl i want something harder then auric dif even on malestorm its to easy lol

if the game isn't spawning 4 bosses at once its just not enough

[dark zealot]

and the argument was never it is bad, just your using the flamer to do something most melees already do while using up the teams ammo pool

[minor sage]

but that's the thing, most melee don't do it lol

[ripe quest]

Whenever I play with friends on lower difficulties I always find that nothing has any weight at all. Hordes are like wallpaper feeling and impactful enemies spawn in like, 1's and 2's.

[spare dome]

oh man im always disappointed when i run a monstrous maelstrom and we only get like five monsters the whole run

[dark zealot]

it doesnt fix the dagger flaws its just a bandaid

[minor sage]

most melees are unable to clear a pack of maulers/crushers quickly without any risk for like 20-25 ammo

[north sedge]

Flamer is incredibly ammo efficient

[sinful saddle]

I've had it spawn like 3-4 at once but it just feels like the game needs something harder is it just me?

[minor sage]

obviously you don't flame hordes, lmao

[spare dome]

it kinda do need harder

[delicate shadow]

it's not ammo efficient at all lmao wtf, I blast like half my ammo into a wall and I end up at 50% ammo

smh my head

[ripe quest]

Flamer w/ a ST leaning weapon is common, esp with something like Melee Only Maelstroms.

[sinful saddle]

like 2 more difficulties would be really nice

[delicate shadow]

time to LATHER UP

[ripe quest]

I used 4 mags on this bulwark and he's still not dead

[minor sage]

I dont think 2 more difficulties is needed, I think aurics just need more modifiers

rn it's pretty much 4 total

lights out, more dogs, hi, and histg

[dark zealot]

and most melees are still not that good

[sinful saddle]

2 more stacked together? honestly you could put all on at once and it would still be a cake walk

[minor sage]

we're missing all the maelstrom modifiers

[north sedge]

Game is buckling under spawnrates as it is in auric

[minor sage]

also, player power is way too high

[spare dome]

yea its boring when i make a big fuckin goofup and i get punished with a whopping 30 hp damage from two poxwalker hits

[sinful saddle]

player power is a good thing issue is it needs something to compensate for it

think a raid mode would be amazing in this game

[minor sage]

VoC needs to be 40 seconds, vet ammo aura needs to be nerfed, zealot crit cdr needs to be nerfed and a few other things

[spare dome]

deleted* for the aura lol

[minor sage]

I think the aura can fundamentally exist as a concept

[spare dome]

id love if we had extended missions based on the zones

[sinful saddle]

i think generally nerfing characters is a bad idea rather adding more options for difficulty or increasing difficulty is better

[ripe quest]

I think the only two arguably rough melee weapons rn are Taxe and Knife. Both can be built to perform fine unlike other weapons where you can run anything with it and it'll be solid.

[spare dome]

like running through all the throneside missions in one go

[dark zealot]

without the vet ammo aura as it is... vets are kinda just bad and the teams ammo pool becomes quite bad

[spare dome]

taxe is slept on imo >.>

[sinful saddle]

hm I think having like boss raids that drop tons of loot but are extremely difficult would be great

need some kind of true end game content

[delicate shadow]

taxe is workable but I wouldn't call it slept on by any means

[minor sage]

right now the aura is
Every time anybody kills elite/special, everyone gets 1% ammo

If they nerf it to
Every time anybody kills an elite (not special) with a weakspot kill, the killer gets 1% ammo

I think that's a reasonable state it can exist in

and be balanced

[spare dome]

people sleep on CC and it does a lot of great CC when you need it

that special stops everything

[minor sage]

lol wut

vets are like

[ripe quest]

That isn't unique to Taxe.

[minor sage]

the strongest class

[north sedge]

Cdr should be nuked from orbit in general

[sinful saddle]

not at all

[dark zealot]

vets without ammo are a worse zealot

[ripe quest]

Antax Caxe's special can stagger just about everything as well.

[spare dome]

tru but taxe doesnt come with caxe levels of kill

[sinful saddle]

vets are the easiest class

[dark zealot]

vets not giving everyone else ammo is just not fun for anyone

[sinful saddle]

would hardly call it the best

[minor sage]

hilarious that anybody thinks vet is bad

[delicate shadow]

most specials do that tbh, taxe sits in this uncomfortable spot where you're better off taking a knife or dclaw

like I said it's workable but it needs some spice to be a real option

[spare dome]

i fucken hate ammo aura

[sinful saddle]

vets are good as a class, but the skill ceiling is also the lowest of the classes

[minor sage]

the problem is that it invalidates the "resource management" aspect of the game

which are supposed to be intensified in certain modifiers

[dark zealot]

they arent bad, but if you gimp the teams ammo pool and the vets best thing they offer to the team

[sinful saddle]

meaning anyone can play vet at a high lvl with good enough aim

[minor sage]

like "no pickups" or "more specials" and whatnot

[sinful saddle]

but it lacks optimizational gameplay compared to say psyker or zealot

[spare dome]

yea with a vet ammo aura my runs end with full ammo lol

also throwing knives

[sinful saddle]

its kinda just point and shoot the baddies

[minor sage]

throwing knives would be so meta

[sinful saddle]

not that its a bad thing

[minor sage]

once they delete ammo aura

[spare dome]

freal

[minor sage]

i'm excited

i love throwing knives

I've gotten good at arcing them

for snipers

[spare dome]

have u seen my record

[sinful saddle]

honestly zealot is the best class in my opinion lol

followed my psy

[spare dome]

https://clips.twitch.tv/HealthyArbitraryVelociraptorPeanutButterJellyTime-S0xxnSPnOWfQLb8V

this one felt so good

[ripe quest]

I think it's a bit hard to pin which is the best since each class can do some stuff over the others. All do good

[dark zealot]

zealot and psy just have the most cheese

[sinful saddle]

well in terms of like objectivity yes and no, all classes are viable yes but as for which is objectively the best it's a tad different

[minor sage]

damn

thas sick

lmao

[dark zealot]

vet with voice of command very close to psy cheese

[sinful saddle]

you can play whatever you want ofc, it doesn't actually matter

[dark zealot]

and ogryns just kinda exist

[north sedge]

Ogryn is incredibly strong

[vocal pulsar]

@vivid hawk thanks for reading the crusher guide by @royal vortex

[dark zealot]

they are big slow and akward

[royal vortex]

do not listen to mankar

he is deranged

[vivid hawk]

[sinful saddle]

but if you want to win and never lose running full zealot is a better option

[dark zealot]

strong yes? cheese? not so much

[north sedge]

🤔

[sinful saddle]

esp since the ai director makes vet so much worse lol

[north sedge]

🤔

[vivid hawk]

@vocal pulsar did better than I thought I would damage-wise with two assail psykers

[north sedge]

🤔

[blissful sinew]

McShovel

[dark zealot]

psyker can stun everything in front of them and has a shield to block ranged damage, on lower danger runs they have an aimbot that kills everything before you get close

[north sedge]

So like the worst psyker build

[ripe quest]

Each class is objectively the best as some random set of things. Could argue that certain problematic parts of each kit would skew it but I don't think it's much reasonable to try and pin which is the best. You'd be better of listing the upsides and downsides of each and just like, picking which one you like more.

[royal vortex]

the one time i play psyker my internet got angry until right before the mid event

[vocal pulsar]

psyker is for skilled players only

[royal vortex]

fuck u

[ripe quest]

no dude palpatine lightning is a strong damage source

[sinful saddle]

well you can make this argument about like say a moba, but there is characters that objectively fill specific roles better then others

[vocal pulsar]

stay in your ogryn ball pit

[dark zealot]

zealot can spam their abilities non stop with crit, can stun things and give extra toughness to the whole team and they have invis to just ignore damage and the risks of reviving

[vocal pulsar]

go play connect 4, while we psykers paly 4 d chess

[north sedge]

Lot of wild opinions today

[ripe quest]

Hot Take Tuesday

[sinful saddle]

psyker has a higher skill ceiling then vet meaning if you invest thousands of hours on psyker and another player does for vet the psyker will on average out perform the vet in everything

i think zealot out performs all classes due to its lack of true downsides

[dark zealot]

vet can just spam voice of command, has the plasma gun with its stupid cleave and oh can go invisible

[sinful saddle]

high boss damage, high special counter, every build is good

[dark zealot]

what can the ogryn do?

[sinful saddle]

the zealot has the same but better

[spare dome]

mmm butter

[blissful sinew]

how do i get plasma gun on zealot?

[north sedge]

Delete everything while still having the highest DR in the game

[dark zealot]

the ogryn can stun lock a monster or just face tank with a shield

[sinful saddle]

you don't need a plasma gun you can perma stealth the entire game

[spare dome]

anyway this debate is irrelevant felinids are the best class

[sinful saddle]

then land crits\backstabs

one shots everything

[blissful sinew]

i actually like playing the game sorry

[sinful saddle]

I didn't argue it was funner or less fun

[ripe quest]

You don't need this weapon you could just run an entirely different build that doesn't relate to the weapon.

[sinful saddle]

I'm saying objectively

[placid salmon]

i use the stealth ability for hordes just to get the free crit lol

[sinful saddle]

its the best because your immortal

[blissful sinew]

true, nerf shroudfield

[sinful saddle]

like i'm not saying to play zealot at all 😄

[dark zealot]

well yeah voice of command works with other weapons

[sinful saddle]

i'm more saying its obviously broken

[vocal pulsar]

YOU ARE

not your

[dark zealot]

its just the plasma gun after the cleave buff and before the rework of their tree was pure cheese

[ripe quest]

The closest you can get is a Man-Stopper shotgun. Doesn't pierce Bulwark shields or Crushers though.

[north sedge]

Player power is too high across the board

[sinful saddle]

and saying vet is better when zealot can solo maps on his own is objectively wrong

[dense field]

"broken" as in "It doesn't work properly"

[ripe quest]

We aren't talking about VoC

[blissful sinew]

doesnt the one dragons breath shotgun round pierce bulwark shields?

[median steeple]

what are we waffling about

[dark zealot]

oh and remember the ogryn doesnt have the dragon breath shotgun

[ripe quest]

Hot Take Tuesday.

The usual Zealot chat discourse.

[median steeple]

hmmrgh ugh

[dark zealot]

oh and remember the ogryn just by existing is negative cheese to the team by blocking your shots

[sinful saddle]

oh no, I wasn't expecting the daedric lover himself

[spare dome]

last point where

[dark zealot]

either avoiding death or attack speed?

[blissful sinew]

what weapon

[spare dome]

its been ten minutes i sitll havent decided

taxe and lawbringer

[sinful saddle]

it generally shouldn't be a hottake to say zealot who can sprint through an entire malestorm lvl on dif 5 and solo it is the most op class lol

[ripe quest]

Probs Anoint.

[spare dome]

this will be on the exam

[vocal pulsar]

mankar camoran cares deeply about proper grammar

[dense field]

what's your weapon?

[sinful saddle]

uh oh

[vocal pulsar]

improper grammar offends mehrunes dagon

[sinful saddle]

😄

[gray ice]

Mehrunes dagon can shove his dagger under his toenail

[sinful saddle]

paradise awaits me

[vocal pulsar]

greet the new day

[placid salmon]

I can't decide if I prefer shotgun vet or shotgun zealot

[spare dome]

nah

[sinful saddle]

dawn is breaking

[dark zealot]

we arent saying skill issue, however...

[spare dome]

dont need HR is all

[dark zealot]

should you get downed, saying "nuh uh" is funny

[shy river]

resist arrest

[median steeple]

https://tenor.com/view/system-my-beloved-sheogorath-gif-27615452

[ripe quest]

I was just referring to the vibe not you, this exact thing happens like every other day. Also what? Speedrunning? I don't see me arguing against speedrunning.

[north sedge]

Emperor's bullet obv

[hushed knoll]

DOUGHHHHH

[dark zealot]

its just its not an argument which class is the dumbest cheese and the ogryn just gets the short straw

[ripe quest]

My only womp womp with you was someone asking about getting plasma gun on Zealot because it was brought up and you said to run an entirely different build instead of just like, answering the question

[placid salmon]

does the cooldown on taking damage talent work on toughness

[dark zealot]

only to the health bar

so no

[blissful sinew]

i was just messing around to be fair

[sinful saddle]

I mean't more like, when something is the best it means unbeatable, it doesn't mean fun per say, zealot has so much potential basically comparing it to vet isn't entirely fair I think in a casual sense which the game is casual tbf, vet is the best class, easy to pick up for newer players and doesn't require tons of attention to various things, and I don't mean to say hey don't play vet its for noobs or something like that, rather that if you were super try harding to win like your life depended on it you'd probably play a cheesy zealot build

[placid salmon]

dang. zealot has a lot of ways to reduce health damage, it makes me wonder if there's synergy there at least

[ripe quest]

Huh? I'm not in that conversation.

[dense field]

no

[placid salmon]

unfortunate

[ripe quest]

The dumbest cheese pairs well with the smartest of wines or something idk

[sinful saddle]

I have nothing against playing anything you want just more so like stating that just because vet is viable and good doesn't = best at one thing per say

zealot is just good at literally everything

and stealth vet is out performed by stealth zealot for example

[dark zealot]

if you want lots of cleave, either the Kantrael or flamer

[sinful saddle]

which is to be expected as its not a game built around 100% perfect competative balance

[ripe quest]

what are you going on about

[sinful saddle]

I'm not going on about anything i'm having a discussion as a retired esports player myself I can obviously tell what classes are the best objectively is all

[ripe quest]

I genuinely cannot tell if I'm having a stroke why are you pinging me with a paragraph and then saying you're not going on about anything

[dark zealot]

skill issue

[sinful saddle]

because your countering my points and i'm reaffirming myself

its a discussion

not rocket science

[sinful saddle]

what i said was concise and to the point idk what your not understanding

[dark zealot]

that guy understands cheese

[dark zealot]

i think they are semi-confused why you pinged them so much is all

when your argument isnt so much with them

but as you said participating in a discussion

[sinful saddle]

the point of the ping feature is to reply to a previous message and I was specifically referencing him because of his counter point earlier

then why ping me to begin with

[dark zealot]

this^

[blissful sinew]

the office breakroom is out of the good whipped cream

[dark zealot]

and yeah thats fair, and for them to explain

[placid salmon]

do y'all use fury of the faithful

[dark zealot]

cri

[sinful saddle]

ah was that referenced to me?

[dark zealot]

no, i play worse everytime

[ripe quest]

Again my only womp womp with you was up here: #zealot-class message
someone saw the "has the plasma gun..." and you said Zealot has the same but better. They asked about how to get the plasma gun on Zealot and you say that plasma gun isn't needed on zealot because you can just run an entirely unrelated build. You didn't followup with your point.

[sinful saddle]

this is why you ping

[placid salmon]

lol what do you use then

[sinful saddle]

there are multiple talks going on this is why you ping otherwise idk who your talking to

[dark zealot]

if i feel like ruining my joints, knife/stealth zealot

[north sedge]

Worst thing said all day

[sinful saddle]

i suppose, but i did actually answer probably just not clearly enough

[dark zealot]

if i want to contribute to the team i'd use Chorus of Spiritual Fortitude

[sinful saddle]

plasma gun is good but zealot has revolver in short

[ripe quest]

So if you didn't see my argument why tf are you pinging me responding to an entirely different argument what is happening

[sinful saddle]

because your incapable of pinging your point

[fallen forum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDok9M5Euk4

[placid salmon]

i don't like the revolver because I cannot aim worth a damn at all, so I use the autoguns

[dark zealot]

columnus infantry autogun is great

[sinful saddle]

autogun is kinda underrated ngl lol

[ripe quest]

You didn't see my point though? If you didn't see my argument then what are you pinging me for.

[dark zealot]

because i can ;)

[sinful saddle]

I didn't see your arguement because you didn't ping it I was answering what came before

[placid salmon]

columnus is weird, I don't get why its damage listed in the breakdown is way higher than the damage listed on the card

[left iron]

This argument is killing the last few braincells i have

[ripe quest]

I don't get how that warranted an entire paragraph being pinged to me then.

[placid salmon]

you get a columnus for 70 damage but it actually does 95

[dark zealot]

because thats normal damage to an unarmoured enemy

[sinful saddle]

because I was pointing out that your objectively wrong

[spare dome]

there's a damage value, but your actual damage has other values

[sinful saddle]

and breaking it down so its easier for you to understand

[placid salmon]

either way the columnus seriously undersells itself

[sinful saddle]

if you wanted me to stop you could just simply ask

[spare dome]

so for columnus the base is 77 and then the damage bar makes it do more damage to armor types

and stopping power

makes the table numbers different

[ripe quest]

So my point that you didn't see because I didn't ping you was objectively wrong, and that warranted an entire paragraph for a different argument that I wasn't involved in

[blissful sinew]

yea

[dark zealot]

76*1.366 = 104 or something idk

[sinful saddle]

my dude your very lost, you responded that all classes are the best class and i explained why that isn't the case

I was replying to you

[ripe quest]

And that entire argument went on without me I was just putting my input in.

[dark zealot]

now this number i dont understand

as its clearly using 76 for the damage numbers

[placid salmon]

yeah

[ripe quest]

It was literally an objective 'each class has a thing over the others' and that it's up to preference

[sinful saddle]

you keep pointing out its an entire paragraph like it offends you or something learn to not be so defensive in discussion

[placid salmon]

and it's only the columnus that does this, so it ends up doing comparable damage to the other autoguns while also having better fire rate and ammo

[sinful saddle]

i never said it wasn't up to preference and that is not what you said, you said every class is the best class because of that reason which is not true

[blissful sinew]

[dark zealot]

imo its a better shredder autopistol

[left iron]

[sinful saddle]

ofc certain classes are better at specific things better at specific thing doesn't mean best overhaul

[placid salmon]

they should fix the autopistol by letting you hold 2

[blissful sinew]

here's an objective fact: zealot is the best class because it's the one we all play and we're the coolest

[dark zealot]

so like 40k inquisitor?

[sinful saddle]

take mobas for example you have heros that are good at ganking right, but you have one hero who is above average in everything, this makes the hero better then average at everything much better then the hero who is tailored to specifically ganking

[dark zealot]

kayn

[ripe quest]

Each kit has stuff over eachother, you pick what set of upsides you want and you run it. That's what I said.

[sinful saddle]

zealot covers all bases overhaul, he has good cc,anti elite,anti boss,anti special, and can turn invincible

[left iron]

Nah bro, you totally said something completely different, also skissue

[light holly]

Invincible?

[sinful saddle]

right, which is what i am saying is wrong

[dark zealot]

ganks well, tanks well, has an objectively over powered healing mechanic to drain tank, has aoe and can burst well

[light holly]

I mean are you speaking of revenant?

Or fury?

[sinful saddle]

read your second point

[ripe quest]

I have been obliterated by a superior being

[dark zealot]

the only thing kayn does bad is being a laner

[sinful saddle]

its not hard to pin which is objectively the best

[dark zealot]

(even then he can)

[blissful sinew]

shroudfield lol

[light holly]

Zealot struggles in ranged

[sinful saddle]

the best is being good at everything but not the best at a specific thing

[light holly]

Vet has infil

[runic rune]

what are the blessing combos for kantrael shotgun? same as for veteran?

[light holly]

Which is arguabbly better

[sinful saddle]

zealot does not

[light holly]

???

[sinful saddle]

revolver one shots anything from ranged

[north sedge]

no respite + ff, generally

[light holly]

I mean they're not as good as vet

[sinful saddle]

you can kill specials at spawn if you know them

[light holly]

Yes and a vet with a revolver is better than a zealot

[spare dome]

we make ranged not ranged by being stronger than dumb heretic bullets

[north sedge]

zealot is worse at rations, sadly

[light holly]

That is more to do with the guns

Not the class

[placid fiber]

I mean the more melee focused class will obviously be worse than the more ranged focused class... at ranged combat... in general

[sinful saddle]

not at all

[runic rune]

anyone else who can also confirm this is the best combo for kantrael?

[light holly]

Baseline zealot, focuses on close range

The revolver is available on everyone

[light holly]

Yes

[ripe quest]

I don't get your argument then, are you arguing against players picking the class they want just because one of them is objectively the best in your opinion?

[dark zealot]

yet zealot can use it 80-90% as well as the vet and do everything else 120% better

[light holly]

That's my argument against the zealot being the best

[sinful saddle]

yes this is true

[onyx solar]

generally, yeah. full bore doesn't work too well on the kant

[sinful saddle]

this is a sign your not reading

[light holly]

Because it does struggle where other classes might succeed or have an upper hand

[sinful saddle]

I said the opposite

[placid fiber]

That says nothing about how effective it is at ranged combat, tho... just that as a baseline it is worse than a class with more ranged focused options at base value

[sinful saddle]

so i'll responde to this

[blissful sinew]

should it be an ogryn-sized revolver or a human sized revolver wielded by a frustrated ogryn

[light holly]

Yes

And that does mean zealot isn't the defacto best class

[placid fiber]

Zealots are very effective at ranged combat when used right lol

[dense field]

it is

[sinful saddle]

Zealot with a revolver vs vet with one, they perform at the same lvl yes

but the difference

[light holly]

Vet just has more synergy

[sinful saddle]

is that zealot has perma stealth

[light holly]

With any ranged weapon at range

[dark zealot]

except you dont really struggle? you just do it a bit worse while doing their weaknesses much much better

[sinful saddle]

and optionally crowd control better then a vets

[runic rune]

[light holly]

You do worse

[dense field]

No respite +deathspitter or fire frenzy is the best

[light holly]

That is a weakness

[dense field]

Or full bore

[light holly]

Its like if I pull up Vet, Vet does melee very good too

[sinful saddle]

what specifically? perma stealth that lets you res your entire team?

[dark zealot]

yes but 80-90% of what they do best while exceeding everything else by 20% is still always better

[neat igloo]

revolver is much much better on vet than on zealot

[runic rune]

@dense field

[neat igloo]

with weapon specialist

[light holly]

Vet gas that too

[neat igloo]

revolver has infinite ammo and every shot is a crit

[sinful saddle]

the problem is more that zealot has less area's it struggles with overhaul compared to vet

[light holly]

Uh

I dont think wo

[dark zealot]

except has a really long cd

[left iron]

So your entire take is based on zealot using stealth, over either of the other 2 abilities? What if i run chastise? Your argument falls apart instantly. The answer is not 'lol just run stealth lmao'

[placid fiber]

Zealot has an easier time building for every option than Vet does

[dark zealot]

zealot has stealth every few seconds

[sinful saddle]

i'm not telling people what to play

[light holly]

You get 2 charges + toughness refill + deagro

[neat igloo]

and with crits and damage boosts you 1 shot body shot ragers

[light holly]

• damage resitace

[sinful saddle]

I'm saying stealth = best thing in the entire game with 0 cd

[neat igloo]

it's not really even a comparison

[sinful saddle]

not that you should use it

[dark zealot]

and the zealot has stealth every few seconds

[dense field]

It was true like 6 months ago when full bore couldn't trigger if you've hit several targets behind the first one

[sinful saddle]

but that its busted

[ripe quest]

Clarify, what are you arguing? My position is that you can pick what class you want based on what the class does best. This game can be played casually and people have the right to choose what they want.

[sinful saddle]

you literally get stealth from back stabbing 4 commons

[light holly]

Uh

It just is different

[sinful saddle]

you can insta proc it every 2 seconds lol

[dark zealot]

2 charges with longs cooldowns vs a few seconds cd

[sinful saddle]

and the entire map ignores you

for 6 seconds

[light holly]

You could just take 1 charge and take cooldown on spec kill

[sinful saddle]

every 2 seconds your invicible for 6 seconds

[placid fiber]

The thing about Vet Stealth is you have to waste talent points for those buffs otherwise you are stuck with 1 with a longer base cd or with dr

[dark zealot]

and the zealot gets cd from hitting anything

not killing a specialist

[sinful saddle]

exactly

[dark zealot]

hitting literally anything

[sinful saddle]

its objectively the best build in the game

doesn't = funnest

[dark zealot]

zealot has toughness refill as well and damage resistance

[placid fiber]

That's a talent point tho

[left iron]

Sure you arent. But answer the question. If i dont run stealth, am i still better than a vet at, for example, ranged combat? No. Vet synergises better in the talent tree (reload speed nodes, suppression immunity etc)

[sinful saddle]

zealot gets insta toughness refill from pressing f and all enemies ignore you for 6 seconds and you get insta reset

[north sedge]

crit cdr isn't actually the best for a pretty big bulk of the weapons

[sinful saddle]

your at the same level revolver is op on all classes you one shot all specials you don't need to play vet to be broken at ranged

[runic rune]

Isnt fire frienzy better tho? ur horde killing potential is higher

[placid fiber]

Each class has some things it will specialize in more, yes. That doesn't make one class worse just because it doesn't specialize in the exact thing you want

[dense field]

You are technically right. Darktide fundamentally is a game about getting from point A to point B alive. If you make it you win, if you don't you lose.

[light holly]

That's fine

[sinful saddle]

if your have a god fps player you do fine on vet or zealot

[light holly]

You used a talent point to take shroud in the first place

I dunno man

[sinful saddle]

the difference is that zealot has better abilities

[left iron]

So now you're telling me i should just run revolver? Also that did not answer the question. Its a simple yes or no

[light holly]

This argument is nothing

[left iron]

Stop deflecting

[light holly]

Vet has... VOC

🥹

[sinful saddle]

I literally answered

[left iron]

???

[dense field]

It doesn't matter for a horde, you want big targets dead faster

[light holly]

One of the best abilities for you and your team in the game

[dense field]

Generally

[ornate bone]

Counterpoint: the Pen Island website

[runic rune]

hmm

[sinful saddle]

I said its the same regardless of class when it comes to ranged

[light holly]

Love pen island

[sinful saddle]

good aiming overcomes useless abilities

[light holly]

I go there on vacation

[neat igloo]

revolver is much much better on veteran

[dark zealot]

and? the things they say a vet can do also require those?

[sinful saddle]

how it one shots on all classes

[neat igloo]

because on zealot you have to reload after 5 shots

[left iron]

So you're saying a vet with suppression immunity = zealot with no suppression immunity? Damn, that sounds fucked up and wrong

[light holly]

I mean it just has better synergy on vet with Weapon Spec

[neat igloo]

whereas on veteran you never have to reload

[sinful saddle]

you pop f then reload for free

[neat igloo]

and every shot is a crit

[sinful saddle]

no damage taken

[placid fiber]

I know, I was saying that was a negative to using 2 talent points since that's what the vet does for both boosts they were talking about

[light holly]

Its not every shot

Its the first shot

Tool tip is wackt

[neat igloo]

shoot revolver

kill a dude

shoot revolver

kill a dude

[light holly]

Vet also has the plasma gun

Which is just

[neat igloo]

do that infinitly

[light holly]

A better revolver

You want to speak of range differences

[ornate bone]

Plas Manutd

[dark zealot]

actually its 4

[ornate bone]

S

[sinful saddle]

so to be clear so you all understand what I am saying

[light holly]

I present one of the strongest guns in the game

For vet

[sinful saddle]

because there is confusion here

your talking about weapons

[light holly]

You said zealot didn't struggle in range because of the revolver

[dark zealot]

both on the left and the far right

[sinful saddle]

i'm saying specifically that stealth build zealot is the most broken build

[light holly]

🥹

[neat igloo]

i think that killing is a better use of time than reloading generally

[sinful saddle]

I mean i never have

[light holly]

I thought the basis for this argument was that zealot was the best class in the game

[sinful saddle]

Ive out performed vets easily

[left iron]

YOU are also talking about weapons. Your argument is almost solely based on revolver and stealth

My god

[sinful saddle]

yes because it has the most broken build

[placid fiber]

they were, specifically, promoting the +1 charge and 50% dr talents so I was only taking those 2 extra into account for talent point costs

[sinful saddle]

not i'm saying you can use a revolver on any class so arguing about weapons is mute

[light holly]

I said

Zealot struggles at range

You said no

[dark zealot]

no

[light holly]

Because of the revolver

[sinful saddle]

zealot doesnt struggle at range

[light holly]

[sinful saddle]

because revolver can hit anything at ranged

like what are you talking about lol

[light holly]

Then it is about the weapon

What the fuck

[sinful saddle]

no its not xD

[ripe quest]

We found the next Darcy.

[left iron]

Holy

[placid fiber]

Oh God

[light holly]

Then why are you also referencing the revolver!

[left iron]

Its true

The prophecy comes true

[sinful saddle]

i'm saying your point about ranged is incorrect

[dense field]

That is irrelevant because veterans should only be using a revolver for fun

[placid fiber]

I am going to stop trying to make sense of this

[dark zealot]

see

[light holly]

The zealot has no talents that that give you extra ranged damage at long range

[sinful saddle]

because any class does well at ranged

[light holly]

Oh my goodness

[dark zealot]

• deagro

[light holly]

I'm just saying the zealot focuses on close range and guns

[dense field]

It's not a great gun for them when columnis iag exists in it's current state

[dark zealot]

aka

[light holly]

But it has little synergy shooting into long range

Oh my goodness

[placid fiber]

I mean by stealthing you de-agro as a base

[left iron]

Honestly, this is the best way, considering its literally like arguing with Darcy

[sinful saddle]

i think the problem is

[light holly]

Well leaving stealth with low profile

[sinful saddle]

with this chat

i'm trying to responde to multiple people at once

[neat igloo]

weapon specialist revolver is slightly stronger than marksman's focus ciag imo

[light holly]

Means unless you have other targets

[sinful saddle]

so when i say its not about weapons

[neat igloo]

comparing their two strongest use cases

[light holly]

You will be agroed

[sinful saddle]

im responding afterward with a comment about the revolver

makes it seem jarring

[light holly]

Low profile makes it so you spent instantly targeted

[sinful saddle]

its better to have a discussion like this one on one

[dark zealot]

your still 3/3 (also not what that guy said and what im arguing against anyway) with a worse cd and a worse uptime overall

[dense field]

Have you considered weapon specialist ciag?

[fading vale]

simply press F and beat the ranged to death

[light holly]

I mean

[sinful saddle]

this is a bit to much chaos

[light holly]

Damn this is wacky

[neat igloo]

i haven't, maybe i should try that

[light holly]

They have different purposes

[fading vale]

use replies

[dark zealot]

chaos?

[light holly]

Also you can drop agro and do extra damage too

Because of cqc

With infil

[sinful saddle]

it doesn't help 😄

[left iron]

Then why is your response to everything 'lol just use revolver lmao' when someone brings up ranged? Thats a weapon, not a class, last i checked

[dark zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-heretics-warhammer40k-40k-gif-27153016

[sly totem]

You can DM me for some hot 1 on 1 zealot chat

[light holly]

Yes thats what I'm saying

[placid fiber]

Fuck this I'm gonna go play rorr lol

[light holly]

When I'm saying

Zealot

[neat igloo]

but the ttk for revolver wepaon specialist is 0 seconds

[placid fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/drifter-risk-of-rain-returns-drifter-risk-of-rain-returns-risk-of-rain-returns-drifter-gif-17792526599931004715

[light holly]

Has nothing to build on for long tange

[neat igloo]

so unless the ttk for ciag is somehow lower

[light holly]

Yes they have the revolver

Doesn't mean that zealot doesn't struggle in range because none of their own weapons have range

[dense field]

Yeah you can kill 1 thing instantly