zealot-class

[indigo plaza]

So it is worse you agree

[north sedge]

just a weird semantical hill to die on

[untold oracle]

the brick enjoyers have logged on

[brave iris]

i just find it hilarious that people don't seem to understand what i'm saying

[mighty root]

[brave iris]

like come the hell on people, i'm not saying that the weapon wasn't bricked

[plucky gate]

yeah but literally no one cares
no one gives a shit how it compared to a unrolled weapon because no one is using unrolled weapon

[mighty root]

Yes the pretty color good

[brave iris]

then say the right words.

[steel agate]

Expecting too much from fellow rejects imo, English is a crazy language

[brave iris]

i find it pretty easy, but alright

[native cargo]

I think its a stupid argument tbh because its doesn't really matter "loss of potential" vs "loss of power" literally read between the lines

[plucky gate]

if i say hadron ruined my weapon, it's still correct because she ruined the value of it

it's not wrong

[native cargo]

^

[brave iris]

nobody said it wasn't wrong

or that it was wrong

[mighty root]

I’d gladly take my white 374 over a bricked 380 that has useless blessings lol

[brave iris]

like, pay some attention.

[native cargo]

Its semantics you're dying on a hill for

[brave iris]

it's basic english, different words and sentences mean different things.

[delicate shadow]

bricking a weapon just means it doesn't get anything worthwhile rolled on it, it's not that complicated lmao

[brave iris]

it isn't about what bricking means either.

[mighty root]

Blud loves not unlocking the true potential of a weapon

[brave iris]

you're assuming a lot.

[mighty root]

Blud probably uses martyrdom

[brave iris]

i only did for the penances tbh

[mighty root]

Do you run wounds

[swift finch]

I’d rather have a brick than a bad weapon but we’re in the wrong channel for that

[brave iris]

one extra wound, but i'm not sure if that's a good idea or not.

[mighty root]

All I need to know

[brave iris]

bro, listen. this isn't about being good at the game or not, this is about how the english language works.

[native cargo]

lmao

[brave iris]

me being shit at the game, or the most skilled player in the universe, doesn't change how language works.

[mighty root]

What

[native cargo]

I fucking love this

[mighty root]

What is blud talking about

[brave iris]

right, i see what's happening.

[delicate shadow]

can y'all stop getting lost in the weeds about semantics

[mighty root]

@brave iris #ogryn-class

[plucky gate]

i don't even know who he's calling is wrong. no one even said hadron makes things weaker

[native cargo]

MY POINT EXACTLY BRUH

[brave iris]

the only "semantics" is that it's wrong to say that a higher-grade weapon is somehow weaker than the profane weapon it came from.

[delicate shadow]

also there's no need to be rude smh

[median steeple]

I love eating bricks

[brave iris]

it's a sad, depressing waste of potential.

[plucky gate]

you're arguing against no one for something no one cares about

[mighty root]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-love-cat-please-forgive-me-asking-for-forgiveness-gif-16696152

[brave iris]

against nobody? there's at least 3-4 people who are going "nuh-uh"

[plucky gate]

okay, who is the one who said hadrom makes it weaker

waiting for the quote

[brave iris]

fine then, give me a moment or two...

[delicate shadow]

well no there's 3-4 people not sure why you're so hung up on one statement a person made that doesn't change the substance of "bricking" existence

[mighty root]

Me

I’d rather used a white that my pimped brick

[light holly]

I mean

[light holly]

The difference in numbers would be like 5

[mighty root]

That’s getting recycled to buy more weapons

[brave iris]

it isn't "worse", it's a depressing loss of potential and a tragedy

[light holly]

A white without any perks or blessings is just inherently worse than an upgraded weapon

[delicate shadow]

at best it was just explained somewhat poorly to say a profane weapon is "worse" than a fully rolled one but ultimately a brick is a brick is a brick and idk what more there is to discuss unless we really wanna hyperfocus on phrasing

[light holly]

Even if it is bricked

[brave iris]

it's a worse situation, and a waste of resources, but not a weaker weapon.

[light holly]

If you want to get dooown to it

[brave iris]

exactly smudge.

finally someone gets it

[plucky gate]

okay

[delicate shadow]

I mean I get it, it's just that it really doesn't matter lol

[light holly]

Because the damage value changes between 375 and 380 are very small

[brave iris]

it doesn't matter much. but people kept telling me i was wrong for asserting this

[mighty root]

Yeah that 8 crit damage and 10 block eff Is gonna go crazy

And the impact

[light holly]

Okay

You still have 0 blessings

[brave iris]

what am i gonna do, just roll over and be like "yep i guess i'm wrong then"

[light holly]

And 0 perks

[steel agate]

Opinions be like that friend

It clouds us

[brave iris]

it's not an opinion it's a fact...

[delicate shadow]

y'all can still roll 2 parts of a weapon to be not-shit

[light holly]

Yeag

[steel agate]

What I’m saying? Is a opinion I enjoy to hold

[mighty root]

Having impact on a sword is like having zero blessings

[brave iris]

the opinion is how much you care about it.

[mighty root]

[light holly]

I mean unless you're building something that needs 3

Like a rashad

You're probably usually fine

If 1 blessing is good

[delicate shadow]

but again this is all technical and kinda semantics because no one is gonna run a white weapon unless they're memeing

[brave iris]

either way the reason i've been so scared of using hadron's services is because i'm afraid of destroying the potential of my weapons.

[light holly]

:X:

[native cargo]

bricking them

[steel agate]

Ye

[mighty root]

That’s why you gamble

[brave iris]

and isn't it bes to wait until you get a 370+ before consecrating anyway?

[steel agate]

No cuz we all gotta start somewhere

[mighty root]

Yes

[mighty root]

Save everything until you reach 30

[brave iris]

i mean, i tend to just get a decent Profane, and then just consecrate it ONCE or maybe twice if i like it. because it uses no diamantine then. and i can find more plasteel than that in one mission

other than that i've used nothing

[light holly]

It can depend on rhe dump stat to be fair

You can roll 360's and get a decent result

[plucky gate]

this reminds me
remember back when hadron could actually fuck up shit with limbsplitter? good times

[brave iris]

i saw a screenshot of somebody that got an axe with 1% damage

[plucky gate]

could actually make your weapon worse

[mighty root]

Love brunt

[light holly]

Well those are meme

[mighty root]

[brave iris]

i want Brunt to be an npc we can meet. he's an ogryn, no?

[light holly]

Its that columnus 1% Airsoft gun

1% damage

[brave iris]

mfw when people say "columbus"

you can only swap out one blessing, yes?

[sour hull]

Can swap two but then you can't swap perks

[brave iris]

so it's two changes.

[sour hull]

Yes

[brave iris]

two perks, two blessings, or one of each?

[sour hull]

Yes

[brave iris]

and you cannot "earn" perks like you can with blessings.

[sour hull]

Mhm

[brave iris]

that's rough.

[sour hull]

It lets you have tier 4 perks if you have the space and funds

Which is fairly easy

[brave iris]

you lost me

[light holly]

well, at worst you gotta get 2 good rolls 😌

[plucky gate]

more like there's no need to "earn" perks because they're all unlocked from the start.

[brave iris]

oic

[plucky gate]

you can choose any perk when changing a perk
you can only choose unlocked blessings when changing a blessing

[brave iris]

so what's most important, getting good blessings or good perks via hadron?

[lilac bone]

But what exactly is a thunder hammer? Could it be considered a brick on a stick? What is the cultural and societal history of such stick bricks and what exactly comprises the act of rolling? Is it circular and is it smooth or jerky? What happens if we confuse etymology with entomology?

[fleet zealot]

Depends on the weapon

[brave iris]

if we confuse etymology, that'd really bug me

[fleet zealot]

Crusher isnt blessing reliant so perks are better, same with plasma

[north sedge]

🤔

[fleet zealot]

On something that requires thrust or BM, blessing rolls are more important

[mighty root]

Wish you could swap gear between characters

[delicate shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/drunk-gif-24788965

[brave iris]

okay that also makes me wonder, the crusher. how does it compare to thunder hammers? what's its role

[north sedge]

it's not really a hammer, it's a combo weapon with good cc

[spare dome]

it crushes

[plucky gate]

it's just kinda a general damage weapon that's really safe to use cause of the cc

[brave iris]

it's the silliest-looking zealot weapon in my opinion

[fleet zealot]

Only thing they have in common is 2handed and an activation

[golden anchor]

Best general use zealot weapon thats easy to get a good roll on

[plucky gate]

You don't think the thunder hammer looks sillier?

or the chain axe?

[fleet zealot]

Thunderhammer is a single target destroyer, crusher is a swiss army club that does everything

[brave iris]

well, doesn't the crusher also deposit the force on the first struck target after an activation similarly?

[fleet zealot]

Yes but crusher activation is used for the CC burst

[brave iris]

well chain axe isn't a zealot weapon. and i think the hammers look less silly

[brave iris]

the what burst?

[fleet zealot]

Crusher normal attacks do the heavy lifting in the dps department

Crowd control

[golden anchor]

Crusher push attack*

goated glaive H1

[fleet zealot]

It knocks thing down

[fleet zealot]

H1 L2 Push Attack combo

[brave iris]

yes but... you just said it deposits the activation attack into the first target. are you saying the first target takes the damage and the rest get knocked?

[golden anchor]

I just call it the glaive heavy lol

[fleet zealot]

Fighting like a grand master of the martial arts

[fleet zealot]

Yes

[brave iris]

fair enough.

[golden anchor]

basically the same animation, although the damage is a bit more evenly split compared to the overhead on glaive

crusher too weak buff the overhead lights :V

[fleet zealot]

Crusher activated attack doesnt do damage like thunderhammer does, it often is more worthwhile to just do normal swings to maintain crusher dps

[fleet zealot]

Im waiting till paul gets the crusher buffs

[golden anchor]

Activated attack is mostly to stabilize oh shit situations or bully bulwarks for free

[native cargo]

My muramasa

HUNGERS

[fleet zealot]

I am the comfyiest and eepiest creature in this discord

[native cargo]

I crave violence

I must spill blood

BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOD

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-gif-1630712686706559038

[golden anchor]

chaxe good

[lilac bone]

Always has been.

[native cargo]

And yeah crusher is really good, though if you wanna maximize damage with crusher then you gotta learn the combos and what not. When to use the special, etc etc. Basically learn the weapon, become partial jesus.

[fleet zealot]

I really love fatshark just brute forced chaxe into the meta instead of fixing the other half of it’s issues

[golden anchor]

release chainaxe was pretty bad, ngl lol

[lilac bone]

ALWAYS.

😛

[atomic star]

Do we know what items/skins will be in the rotation for Thursday

[fleet zealot]

Yea but a lot of people misused it and it felt like shit to use

[golden anchor]

People are allowed their delusions though lol

[fleet zealot]

It wasnt like post nerf knife where it was still fun

[golden anchor]

bleed bug prenerf knife?

that was funny lol

[native cargo]

Am curious as to the issues since I never did use chaxe prior to the new one.

[golden anchor]

godmode yet people still managed to die running it

[fleet zealot]

Minor spelling mistake

[native cargo]

I didn't like the way it hung up on everything with lights so I never used it

[brave iris]

oh that reminds me. the game decies what rating a weapon can have, based on what you already own, yes? but is it like Vermintide 2 where it 'remembers' the highest rating you've earned, or do you need to KEEP your highest-rated stuff even if you don't want to, just to get better stuff?

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-minor-s-spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-gif-10940848928744248792

[native cargo]

new one pops up, blam

[fleet zealot]

No

[native cargo]

Am in love

[lilac bone]

I'll die on that hill. Chain axe was very usable, not optimal on release. Peeps often use it incorrecly. The buff is nice.

[sour hull]

Chain weapons as a whole used to be quite useless like a squeaky toy

[fleet zealot]

It is just based on charactet level

Your inventory doesnt matter just if you are level 30 or not

Dont listen to vt2 boomers

[native cargo]

The voomers

if you will

[fleet zealot]

It wasnt useable until it first got buffed this year

[sour hull]

Voomers

[golden anchor]

old chainaxe just was a bit too slow

[fleet zealot]

I used it and it was garbage

[sour hull]

I like that

[golden anchor]

and didn't do enough damage

[fleet zealot]

Once it got actual maniac damage on heavy and talents came out and better crafting

You could brute force a martyrdom build with slaught headtaker

And just statcheck

[sour hull]

Couldn't kill a dreg

[fleet zealot]

[golden anchor]

mk4 was and still is a statcheck weapon though

[fleet zealot]

Yee

[golden anchor]

if you aren't killing trash with lights its suffering lol

[fleet zealot]

But now it is good enough people pretend they like it and always liked it

Posers

[fleet zealot]

Thats the secret

[native cargo]

If you drink a ton of pepsi while using a chaxe I hear it buffs your damage output towards maniacs and unarmored

[fleet zealot]

Lights are bait

Lights are only for one thing, single target dps if you arent running thrust

[golden anchor]

plays like the opposite of mk15 eviscerrator tbh

[fleet zealot]

Do not mk4 light trash

Even if it is one poxwalker

You do a heavy

[plucky gate]

alright guys, what is the worst melee weapon in the game?

[native cargo]

Ogryn playstyle

[golden anchor]

I do it anyways because chainaxe goes brrr

[fleet zealot]

Tactical axe

Mk7 id say

[native cargo]

taxe cus it has the word tax in it

fuck taxes

[golden anchor]

or when there's not enough density push attack > lights kills a wee bit faster than heavy spam

[fleet zealot]

Mk1 has horizontal swing and mk4 was the good one before

Oh in the game?

Paul

Ogryn paul didnt get the crusher rework for some reason

[plucky gate]

oh right, that thing still exists

[golden anchor]

Paul served me well before Ogryn had weapon choices outside of the mk3 lol

[fleet zealot]

It is funny cause the best gun to use with it got giga buffed (kickback)

[golden anchor]

those were dire times

[fleet zealot]

But paul is so bad now no one even runs it with kickback

[native cargo]

Ogryns getting actual new weapons when

[brazen linden]

im starting to think Quick Play hates me

[golden anchor]

I still use paul occasionally

[fleet zealot]

Thugshot when?

[native cargo]

quick play is high risk, low reward

[golden anchor]

I don't forget weapons that served me well :V

[native cargo]

which why I play it

[atomic star]

Crusher fun

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/bug-shaker-thug-shaker-thug-hunter-arting-gif-25772363

[native cargo]

the gryn shaker?

[brazen linden]

its given me..... 9? high intensity in a row

[fleet zealot]

I hope fatshark doesnt pussy out and change the name from thugshot

[golden anchor]

high intensity is basically patch 13 damnation though

[fleet zealot]

Are you que’ing auric?

[golden anchor]

patch 13 was fun

[brazen linden]

no im not

[fleet zealot]

If not, it is probably the people who manual pick their missions

And you are being filled in

[native cargo]

thugshot shot shaker

[sour hull]

If you can pull it off you can get like 20-30k in a game which is nice

[lilac bone]

I think the armor class thing on chastise is 4 stacks of 100% (?) brittleness or something like that. Weird.

[north sedge]

it is not brittlness

[native cargo]

99% of my games are quick play with randoms

[north sedge]

it's its own thing

[native cargo]

I love quickplay's high risk, low reward feeling

[brazen linden]

the extra dockets and plasteel is nice

[fleet zealot]

That is like quickplay if you arent gonna manually pick dont be surprised when you get thrown in the popular missions

[native cargo]

truly never know what the hell you are getting into

[golden anchor]

Quickplay is fun because you never know when you get the low IQ teammates modifier

the most fun modifier tbh

[lilac bone]

AH. There we go. Separate buff. Weird. Guess I should look at the shiny icons.

[brazen linden]

ogryn stub cannon when

[fleet zealot]

Met a lacerate flesh tearer zealot yesterday

180k damage in auric

[plucky gate]

weird to hear that non-auric is full of people manually picking high int anyways though

i thought they qued non-auric to get away from high int

[fleet zealot]

Speed running ahead of group, stealing ammo the classic, i got to watch him die twice tho

[native cargo]

I hope we get the entropic accelerator

[fleet zealot]

Auric has it’s own modifier

[pale kelp]

From someone who's never tried Auric, Auric is in a different tab and therefore it's scary and i'm not going there

[plucky gate]

yeah but most people don't know

[sour hull]

I wanna get good at damnation first before I do auric

[fleet zealot]

On the director , normal damnation can still have the director pump the breaks for the team

[native cargo]

Its a one off weapon that is just a simple pipe barrel, but it is actually a dark age of technology weapon that has an invisible beam emitting when it hits something. Thus disintegrating it.

beautiful weapon

[fleet zealot]

Auric isnt that much harder

Just more numbers and the director is set to always hate you

[sour hull]

I'm still stuck in heresy

I've got some work to do if I wanna make it in auric

[fleet zealot]

Id jump to damnation just get a cheap build

Like crusher brauto

[golden anchor]

Auric is pretty ok as long as you aren't running in with potato builds if you plan to be consistent lol

[fleet zealot]

Heresy is just an awkward difficulty

[golden anchor]

Then again, if you feel like throwing your fate to RNG, no one is stopping you either

[fleet zealot]

I dont recommend anyone linger there

[golden anchor]

I dip back into heresy to see what the toxicity is about

but end up carrying so hard that nothing bad ever happens zzz

[lilac bone]

It's a vibe. I think I'd rather have a harder difficulty than have the volume of specials and elites auric tosses at ye.

[golden anchor]

victory solves all ills

[rocky marsh]

anyone knows whats the condition that the crusher throws the super fast OH at you?
or its random

[native cargo]

What if one of the classes gets an archeotech pistol where it "draws on the power of the magnetosphere" and shoots ??? at the heretics.

[brave iris]

cushers have a fast OH?

[native cargo]

would be fun

[brave iris]

i've only seen the slow one

[sour hull]

Heresy is a mixed bag, plenty of people who know what they are doing and an unfortunate few who are under leveled and incompetent

[misty raven]

Last night this one run the director really liked fire. There was almost always a 2 flamers in an encounter

[pale kelp]

I like more specials and elites, I just don't wanna go there and be absolute dead weight, once i've mastered damnation i'll give auric a shot. happy to hear tho

[light holly]

You talking about the Crusher overhead where they walk forward?

[rocky marsh]

i went from normal 5 straight to auric 5 histg and it was like t3 to t4 jump, its not that bad

[light holly]

Auric and Damn are the same besides density

[rocky marsh]

not very sure its just super fast

i could get a record it

but nto sure how to proc

[fleet zealot]

It is if you are too close

They try to shove you back into a range the overhead would “make sense”

But in classic tide high diff, it hits like a truck if you arent ready

[lilac bone]

It favours very high damage output very heavily -- cause --well there is a lot to kill. When things go sideways it can be very hard to clutch as -- well -- there is a lot to kill. I think heresey and damnation with under-leveled people is usually more interesting.

[sour hull]

I mostly play heresy cuz my skills aren't quite on point and the money is good

[rocky marsh]

thanks, you replied right when i got footage of it xD
i was practicing crusher wep vs 6 crushers

in psk

[rocky marsh]

im willing to bet its due to build (talent tree + gear)

[lilac bone]

Enjoy it! I'd say bump up to damnation every once in a while -- as there isn't really anything to teach you to play damnation except playing damnation. The game balance is a little bit different.

[rocky marsh]

if you are dying in damnation:
do you stick with team
do you know your shove is 360
do you know you can melee through walls
Do you know kill priority
do you know how to dodge trapper
do you know how to dodge and shove dog
do you know how to shove poxburster
Do you know how to stand behind a wall when you get shot
do you know you can dodge and/or slide bullets
do you know you can side dodge to slide

if its yes to all, its build

imo.

[native cargo]

me knowing how to dodge trapper and still get trapped

v.v

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/nigel-marven-prehistoric-park-net-gun-shoot-gun-gif-26543120

[rocky marsh]

i hate poxbursters the most
they spawn thru door, i push and dodge slide back, still not enough range, die.

[native cargo]

Sometimes its through phsyical objects that it shouldn't be able to do and sometimes its literally the last frame on my model thus the net captures me

which both are stupid

[rocky marsh]

have you gotten grabed by a mutie while you were behind it?

xD

[native cargo]

I have though I was to its grabby hand a bit more than I should have and it was turning

so idk

game just assumed I wanted to be grabbed ig

[rocky marsh]

no i saw its full back

[native cargo]

Typicaly mutant behavior

[rocky marsh]

ngl i feel malice already teaches you how to play in damnation if don't ignore your mistakes
only difference is that not dodging a dog in damn vs not dodging a dog in malice is very different consequence wise

and things like kill priority should come naturally as
"oh no im disabled, can't do anything. Disablers are scary!"
"Oh no, three molotovs, i couldn't even run out of the fire!"
"Oh no the trail of fire hurts very much and i don't have space to dodge!"

[native cargo]

Shove or dodge dog. A good few times the game derps out on me and the dog just flies over my head, floats against the wall it hit prior to me and returns to standing on the ground then resumes it's antics, etc etc. Hounds went from being snipers from miles away at launch to still threatening creatures yet memey

The hound perplexes me at every step of my journey in this game

I remember when hounds would bounce off the ground and land on players thus a pounce happened

[rocky marsh]

i do both

but on psyker

i just shove on react to dog bark

works every time

[native cargo]

also people should know that your melee range is further than it appears. I've struck enemies and not hear the weapon make a sound because of how weapons atm hit enemies

Thus your shoving range for dawgs

[rocky marsh]

i forgot which regular said it, i believe its arcotash, your shove on poxybursters is cheated in your favour

[sharp zodiac]

Rat issue

Potemkin players are so fucking weird

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/potemkin-potemkin-noel-potemkin-heavenly-buster-hololive-heavenly-buster-gif-22463954

[native cargo]

Looner you smell of fish today. The cats will soon start their hunt

Prepare for midnight

For they seek fish flesh

[sharp zodiac]

I just lost to one that grabbed me

Twice

[native cargo]

So it begins

[opaque island]

there's nothing like joining a quickplay an d being thrust immediately into a clutch situation for your first game of the day

[gaunt roost]

gonna gold this

[opaque island]

now that'll get your heart pumping

[native cargo]

I always sit in fear of loading in mid mission

[native cargo]

Worth

[north sedge]

potemkin is a grappler, it's what he do

[sharp zodiac]

I learned that

The hard way

Least it was kinda funny

[rocky marsh]

potemkin execution is not easy ;-;

i gave up on gg strive because his execution was too hard for me

iirc specifically slidehead --> cancelled boost --> garuda

my hands just can't

i could do kara grab

and kara garuda was inconsistent, like 50/50

i could do his gameplan as well

but kara garuda being inconsistent was frustrating

[coarse birch]

potemkin do in fact

be grabbing

as a grappler

[pale kelp]

got most of this down pretty okay, there's such a thing as kill priority though?

I'd presume whatever is most likely to put the team into a headlock first in any given situation

so probably trappers, flamers and bombers

[rocky marsh]

imo you cna't be pretty ok, you should be able to do it 100% of the time barring bugs like nets going through walls

As for kill priorityits what i described below
disablers (dog + trapper) then bombers + snipers, then flamers

of course some things change if theres a crusher right in front of you winding up and overhead

[sharp zodiac]

They play like they snort crack flavored glie

Glue

And it works somehow

[coarse birch]

yeah thats potemkin

[rocky marsh]

absoltuely no reason for you to get dogged
(i still get dogged once or twice sometimes but thats the mentality you should have. On psyker i just quick swap to melee and shove on bark)

[lilac bone]

Disablers. Berserkers. Elites. Horde. Boss. IMO. For specials Trappers, flamers, dogs, snipers, bombers, chargers. Something like that.

[coarse birch]

you have to really know how to punish potemkin

or you have to play neutral with him 100 times which is like not ideal since he kills you in 3 neutral wins

[maiden path]

dis what knife zealots think dey look like

[coarse birch]

or less

[maiden path]

dis waht they actualy look like fr.......

[pale kelp]

I mean yeah I can do all of the above, multiple at once, but kind of depends on the situation, things like trapper can be annoying to dodge when you're playing with a rig from the stone age that's prone to dying :)

[rocky marsh]

forgive me for not mentioning crusher and ragers there because in no way im going to shoot a dog 20 meters away if i have 3 ragers in my face

[maiden path]

dis is me fr doe..

in ma own lane....

unwashed..

[rocky marsh]

dodge slide

[maiden path]

stinky zealot..

[lilac bone]

I love how slubby you can make a zealot look. You literally get pajama pants.

[pale kelp]

myeah

[rocky marsh]

yes then it should be quite consistent

[maiden path]

im still waiting for this

just port the billhook moveset over from vermintide

[rocky marsh]

i started this game on ogryn so i had the habit of dodge sliding trappers

[maiden path]

i beg of u fatshark

[native stump]

got me new gun

[quartz yoke]

i think im keeping reload speed and putting maniacs in steraed of infested

[solar gorge]

https://tenor.com/view/fighting-games-guilty-gear-guilty-gear-strive-potemkin-grapplers-gif-22060834

[rocky marsh]

@pale kelp if you can do all that and still can't play on damn then its purely a build issue
Ask here about your skill tree, weapon blessings and like all three (skill tree + weaponS + curios, if they make sense together)

[pale kelp]

I can probably play on damnation, just lacking in confidence and the score board mod

[solar gorge]

don't need the mod

[pale kelp]

I need it for telling how useless i am unfortunately as i'm not proficient enough in the game to tell whether i'm helping otherwise

[rocky marsh]

if you are on PC, get it imo
don't need confidence, just tell yourself you will lose the first three games

just play it to try

[light holly]

You dont need the scoreboard

Its gonna put you down

Just play and you'll get comfortable

[rocky marsh]

thats how i jumped from normal 5 to a5histg
someone told me to try and i was just like why not

[lilac bone]

There is an order but it's very flexible. When a sniper is around a corner that you don't have to go around all of a sudden it really isn't as high up on the priority list. When you are fighting a boss with a horde in an open are -- it's priority right now.

[north sedge]

eh, scoreboard is optional, just a good tool to see if a build/weapon is working well for you

[spare dome]

dont even need it for that

do you feel visceral joy when you slay the enemy with your weapon of choice? then it's doin very well

[north sedge]

🤔

[light holly]

That's for later

[pale kelp]

mmmyeahh, I could do damnation auric runs if I hopped on it now, though how much of use/detriment I would be something to be seen, I'd rather take it slow and steady though :)

ty for the encouragement though

[rocky marsh]

i feel its good also because it tells you exactly what you are good and bad at
i didn't even expect myself to be top elite killer on zealot
( i ran revolvo and back then had insane reflexes to headshot elites/specials)

[golden anchor]

as long as you're a warm body its fine

[north sedge]

the problem with that is uh, the game is very good at making you feel like you're destroying things even when maybe you're not so much. it's why bleed knife is still a thing

[rocky marsh]

just a game, you play one round, you will know if you are really lacking, or you just need to play more

[spare dome]

and having a scoreboard is the only reason to care otherwise

the game's not hard enough to minmax meta bullshit

[pale kelp]

well yeah but I also use the knife which is prone to attract plebs so I'm not sure how much I'm actually helping unless I "clutch"

[golden anchor]

and not being scraped off the floor every horde, but even then it's fine because some of us still need 500 rescues achievement :V

[light holly]

Me as I'm cold bodied (cold blooded) 😌

[spare dome]

if it's fun it's fun and it doesn't need any other explanation

[rocky marsh]

don't think this way dude, just think about doing your part

[pale kelp]

oh yeah one couldn't hurt, that's true

[light holly]

No but yeah don't mind the scoreboard for learning

[spare dome]

besides you'll never get better at harder difficultues by playing lower difficulties

[rocky marsh]

you aren't going to improve ify ou only think about doing omega cool wowz stuff

[spare dome]

that's just not how it works

you gotta go into the harder shit and get used to it or you'll just stagnant hard at wherever you are now

[pale kelp]

Oh yeah I mean if nothing else I'm there as a failsafe and taking aggro, I don't mind it while I get better at the game, starting to get pretty okay at some stuff :)

[covert needle]

if it stays hard for longer than 5 hours, call a doctor

[rocky marsh]

anyway this is just a coop game, end of the day if you are having fun its good.
am just here to help you sort your problems

[pale kelp]

oh yeah that's true, should tip toes into damnation, been at heresy for too long now

[covert needle]

going from heresy to damnation i had way more completions on average

[rocky marsh]

oh you are on heresy?
i swear that feels harder than damn because like the people who play heresy are usually level 14-22

[covert needle]

people seem to bring a better game

[pale kelp]

any clue if the MK12 chainaxe is good? I made one for an "offbuild" to swap off to, thinking it's the MK6... :D

[lilac bone]

A lot of it comes to down to weapon pairing. If the knife isn't killing quick enough, bring a Brauto and lean on it heavily. All of a sudden you don't have to move around to kill absolutely everything -- and -- that is all time holding down the trigger.

[rocky marsh]

i don't main zealot and im not good at builds, so sorry. have to ask someone else about this

its just that i noticed in psyker chat when people had problems going to damn its because they had a bad build

[pale kelp]

ahhh, nae worry no worry

[north sedge]

both chaxes are good

[rocky marsh]

especially since psyker very build dependent

[north sedge]

12 is more single target focus

[pale kelp]

I'n sure it's good enough for heresy, in hindsight

[golden anchor]

mk 12 is fine, but needs some power blessings to make it feel better on damnation

[pale kelp]

I run the revolver for the piercing against elites and special sniping, makes picking those off a lot easier.

[golden anchor]

not a huge fan of how it plays personally since it just feels like a caxe with more steps lol

[pale kelp]

does """okay""" boss damage too if you're fighting a beast of nurgle or something and you pop shroudfield, if you can't get into melee cuz team insists on fighting it in a not so fun spot

[north sedge]

🤔

chaxe is the best carapace dmg in the game

[pale kelp]

oh okay, I thought it would be the other way around since the 6 hits a single guy with Lights, but that's good to know.

but IG the heavies are what you're after

[north sedge]

mk4 is heavies for crowd, lights for single, the opposite for mk12

and mk12 gets more dmg on the heavy

[rocky marsh]

@pale kelp pick the main weapon you want to use, then make sure the supporting stuffs make sense,
then make sure to roll for a decent weapon

For me decent is:
all perks and blessings the one you want (meta)

Non dump stats > 65 (based on importance. some weapons are more strict, ask around)
damage personally i would go for 78 and above

[lilac bone]

It's a give and take. If you are bringing a horde killing melee weapon you have more room in a build to bring a single target "reach out" weapon. I often run a revolver with an evi. And -- personal preference. If you enjoy it use it.

[pale kelp]

I mean I think this is pretty okay

it's what I'm using at the moment anyhow

penetration sucks but uncanny can offset that at times

[pale kelp]

mhmm, you reckon I should use a flamer or something with the knife for hordes?

[rocky marsh]

i was about to say i feel pen is too low, then i noticed you had rending

if the perks and blessings are exactly what you want that i feel its pretty good yeah

[lilac bone]

I'm trash with a flamer. First to admit. Apologies! 😄

[pale kelp]

the locked perk is pretty... rough

[north sedge]

a crowd weapon generally works better yea

[pale kelp]

Like a columnus? or what do people run?

[lilac bone]

IAG or brauto can be good options.

[golden anchor]

agri brauto probably your best bet

or flamer + throwing knife build

[rocky marsh]

btw @pale kelp skill tree pretty important too
im going to go sleep now, goodluck dude

[north sedge]

kant shotty as well

[golden anchor]

lol the actual hobo with a shotgun build

[pale kelp]

oh yeah no worries, I stole the skilltree more or less from online, so it should be good! thanks for all the help :)

[rocky marsh]

nah, i wouldn't trust the online one

[golden anchor]

uh oh lol

[rocky marsh]

show it here and

[lilac bone]

Lasguns are also often overlooked. The mk 4 an 1a have extremely quick refire and decent hipfire.

[rocky marsh]

ask for reviews

[pale kelp]

oh I heard shotguns are bad, should give it a shot then

[north sedge]

they are not

at all

[golden anchor]

kant is top 5 zealot ranged weapon

only the lawbringer is sort of questionable but it's not unusable bad

[pale kelp]

What's the Agri brauto? Agripina Braced Autogun?

[golden anchor]

yea

[rocky marsh]

is LB the default one you get when starting out? @golden anchor

[golden anchor]

yea

[north sedge]

no lawbringer is solid too

[rocky marsh]

idk when i used the default one as a level 0 it felt pretty bad

[golden anchor]

It's pretty mundane compared to the other shotguns

[north sedge]

agri is the kinda odd duck that needs specific builds to work well

agri shotty that is

[rocky marsh]

could't even kill a dog on headshot without using the special

[north sedge]

everything is shit at lvl 0

[rocky marsh]

hey, the chaxe was good

xD

[golden anchor]

special for lawbringer isn't meant for single target lol

[rocky marsh]

one tap everything

[pale kelp]

like skill tree wise?

[golden anchor]

Agri needs to be built to hit breakpoints

its more like a bolt action since the special shot is a slug shot

[pale kelp]

ahh

[rocky marsh]

that was just my experience, i never used shotguns after that xD

[north sedge]

ehh skill tree helps

[golden anchor]

Kantrael is goated because flame shot goes through everything, including bulwark shields

[rocky marsh]

what does LB special do?

[golden anchor]

good for taking out bulwakr phalanxes

LB special is just duckbill shot

horizontal spread, horde clearer

[rocky marsh]

i see

[maiden path]

whens the flame thrower gonna be good

[golden anchor]

Some people run it with increased cleave on crit and crit chance on targets hit

then the special shot actually does pretty well against hordes, but coming from VT2 I don't believe in spending ammo to kill hordes lol

[north sedge]

always has been

[golden anchor]

I'm a team player™ and leave the ammo to the less worthy

[rocky marsh]

thats why i main psyker ||its not||

[north sedge]

#zealot-class message

[maiden path]

no it still sucks

thats like saying the thunder hammer being able to oneshot shit means its good

thats all its good for

[lilac bone]

I would heavily recommend bringing something with loads of ammo if you are going to lean on using it for a bit of horde control. Having 400 shots with a lasgun or 775 with a brauto is going to mean you will only be eating up a few small ammo drops each run while being able to actually use the ranged weapon when not actively in a toe to toe fight. And headshots. Whenever possible. Even with a brauto.

[spare dome]

yes i mean

being good at the thing

[north sedge]

that video is exhil killing 20 crushers in one canister

[spare dome]

that it was designed to be good at

would constitute as good

[north sedge]

so terrible

[rocky marsh]

i felt boss damage was overrated until i played a5mael

[maiden path]

when the fuck are you gonna be fighting 20 crushers without being in auric

[north sedge]

i dont play non-auric

so

[golden anchor]

imagine not playing auric

[north sedge]

and even then

[maiden path]

u people are FREAKS

[north sedge]

it kills mixed hordes like nothing else

[maiden path]

play CASUAL like a normal person and have FUN

[violet hornet]

people play non-auric?

[north sedge]

it's a very strong weapon

i dont have fun on lower diff

[spare dome]

flamer has stupid amounts of potential, but we dont need it because we're all already fucking cracked

[violet hornet]

[pale kelp]

ookie dokie, this is what I was wondering about, feel as though the flamer chews through ammo, though maybe i'm too liberal in it's usage...

[maiden path]

auric players trying to convince you fighting 300 ragers at once is fun and wont send them into an early death due to heart condtions

[rocky marsh]

i remember you just need to use "15" ammo and let the afterburn do the rest

thats why damage is a dump stat

[golden anchor]

300 ragers just all sit on the ground because left click with crusher knocks them all down lol

[rocky marsh]

someone please clarify

[north sedge]

i dont get worked up

just a game

[golden anchor]

very relaxing, very easy

[maiden path]

im fucking JESUS compared to u romans

[north sedge]

it's more like 8 ammo for a basic horde on flamer

[pale kelp]

nneat

[fading vale]

it's somewhere around 15 for max burn stacks, but basic hordes are like 8 max

no need to dump ammo on hordes

[maiden path]

flamethrower when psyke flamethror exist

[fading vale]

unless there are a shit ton of elites streaming in

[golden anchor]

purgatus staff when any other staff exists

[maiden path]

sighe.....

[pale kelp]

how much piercing does the Kantrael have..?

[north sedge]

flamer kills elites better if you're running chastise

[maiden path]

what does purg do again

[golden anchor]

thats the fire staff

[rocky marsh]

@pale kelp listen to lazorr
man taught me everything i knew on zealot ;-;
him, exhil and josho

[maiden path]

purg fucks so hard

i be hitting my team with a 'hold on... i got this'

[golden anchor]

Purg is so funny because I can do more warpfire damage with ventin shriek meme builds

[fading vale]

infinite

[maiden path]

and burning those fuckers to death

[lilac bone]

There is a trade off point. Flamer with a dclaw? You get a higher clear speed with the dclaw, still get excellent crits/headshot. Now the ammo usage is less of an issue. And burst fire as peeps have mentioned. You'll never have enough ammo to just completely spray and pray.

[pale kelp]

roger roger

[pale kelp]

thats neat

gonna have to give it a try

[maiden path]

shriek is the best psyker ability I WILL not be swaying my opinon

[fading vale]

keep in mind you will need 2-3 shots to max out burn stacks on kant

[pale kelp]

that's fair

[fading vale]

otherwise the burn damage is meh

[north sedge]

beb is moving goal posts so hard they're on a different class

[rocky marsh]

wait lazorr

since you are online

plos review my sorta meme build that imo feels very good to paly

[pale kelp]

what's the use case for the Kant's burn? far away enemies?

[sharp zodiac]

Stagger, penetration

[rocky marsh]

crusher melee, revolvo gun (only because i only have revolvo. else i would prob run a flamer)
i do have a white flamer though, worth running?

[north sedge]

crowds, bulwark groups

[maiden path]

https://tenor.com/view/jordan-barret-gif-15824740445628460033

[fading vale]

pierces bulwarks, kills hordes and mixed hordes, can kill things far away too

[maiden path]

swag

graah my cpu sucks ass

i wish it was christmas again so I could get a cpu for cheap and play darktide

[golden anchor]

if you're running crusher flamer is pretty redundant/whatever

[rocky marsh]

build feels super good to play, grevious wounds let me lmb stagger with crusher as if im an ogryn

[fading vale]

isn't this more or less what josho runs minus a point or two

[lilac bone]

@spare talon Someone mentioned dclaw, do I need a spotlight to shine onto the clouds or something?

[rocky marsh]

only problem i have is mixed hordes, which is why im asking if i should run flamer

[north sedge]

crusher can knock around crushers without that

[rocky marsh]

ii didn't know :v
I came up with it on my own

[pale kelp]

neat thanks

[maiden path]

i wish they'd optimize this game more for the cpu

[golden anchor]

mixed hordes with crusher?

[north sedge]

crusher handles mixed hordes like nothing

[golden anchor]

just power attack a bit and pick out priorities

[fading vale]

crusher should be really good for mixed hordes

[golden anchor]

then mash until they die

[rocky marsh]

i can stagger them yeah but

[fading vale]

perhaps the best mixed horde melee

[rocky marsh]

i can't kill them :v

fast

[north sedge]

learn them combos

[fading vale]

idk, read crusher guide if you haven't

[golden anchor]

use more pushstab l2

[rocky marsh]

yeah i know the optimal single target damage is push attack --> light --> heavy

but

tbf

i just kept mashing lmb :p

[golden anchor]

Like Bulwarks die to power attack light > push attack l2 headshot

so do I lol

[north sedge]

yea thats why right there

[golden anchor]

they still die fast

[rocky marsh]

i do use the push attack into heavy for crowd clear though

[maiden path]

when are we getting tuco salamanca in darktide

[fading vale]

but the push attack is the highest single target damage

[rocky marsh]

and to my knowledge for hoprde i should be doing light->heavy loop right
I know theres a better one but i can't be assed to learn that and esp how to correct that if i fuck it up

[maiden path]

on the topic of tuco salamanca some knuckle dusters or something for zealot would be fucking sick as a melee

[golden anchor]

for mixed hordes you want to push attack heavy to take out priority/anything stopping cleave

[north sedge]

thats the basic combo

[fading vale]

the crusher guide is pretty detailed so it should cover all this

[north sedge]

yep

[golden anchor]

then after there's no elites you just unga bunga the rest to death

[brazen linden]

time to be slow as fck

[rocky marsh]

thanks dude
uhhh i usually don't do the push attack for single target because sometimes it hits the guy on the side

[north sedge]

just hop to the left

[golden anchor]

thats probably the only brain cells you need to use on crusher

[rocky marsh]

the aim is not that consistent since its really range dependent

[golden anchor]

push attack has really high headshot modifier

[fading vale]

you just need to position the hitbox correctly, it's not a point and click hit head move

[golden anchor]

I think it has headshot priority too though but I might just be wrong on that

[rocky marsh]

it does feel super reliant on proper range, i never did the look perpendicular, to the right and push attack which i think si what doighh is implying

[north sedge]

yep, basic positioning

[maiden path]

when the longlas drops im making a fucking cod edit with it

[pale kelp]

ya'll okay with having a looksie at the build I'm running with knife? (skill tree)

[maiden path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eo9ZZ03CeoE

[spare talon]

My brother who just reached 30 as a psyker for a first character watched me play through a monstrous maelstrom and he said he cannot believe that I have turned the pacing of the gameplay into warframes with how much of goblin I play like

[maiden path]

why isnt there a cod edit with this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvIJyRkS9y0

shit would be sick

[sharp zodiac]

Fucking goblin

Hobgoblin even

[rough vault]

Its a rose! :D

[rocky marsh]

any like 3 second clip of you doing that with crusher? ;p

[golden anchor]

I can show in one of the channels RQ i guess

[north sedge]

Nah im too lazy to record anything

[golden anchor]

@rocky marsh Strike party 1 if you're there

[north sedge]

Josho probably has crusher gameplay stuff

[candid sorrel]

ideal knife blessings?

i ofc want lacerate but what else?

i like mercy killer (i think thats the name?) but whats ideal

[spare dome]

uncanny always

[candid sorrel]

on the topic of knife whats the consensus on mark iii vs vi

preference?

[spare dome]

theyre different enough

[muted sonnet]

preference/what you need to fill

[spare dome]

very much just preference

[muted sonnet]

vi has crazy horde capabilities but iii crazy single target

both good at doing the other job but each has their specialty

I run III on my vet and VI on my zeal

[candid sorrel]

i very much prefer the iii but vi is cool

they should just make the rest of the added weapons knives tbh

just like 14 knife variations

[spare talon]

Lacerate is a trap, it is never a good blessing

[muted sonnet]

Esp. on zealot with how much you crit and how you bleed on crits anyways

flesh tearer just better

[north sedge]

Nothing crazy about knife horde clear even on the 6

[sharp zodiac]

Snow

[buoyant pecan]

Ferret

Steve noodle

[fleet zealot]

Who tf you calling steve

[sage river]

https://tenor.com/view/france-revolution-gif-7848726

[rocky marsh]

just finished reading
i know everything in the guide ;-;
barring that h2 has highest stagger value

but yeah

unga

showed me some stuff

like the headshot prior and he showed me PA into l1 loop

quick question

how does combos work
if you do light -> light ->heavy -> light
the third light will be a l3 right?

[royal vortex]

it entirely depends on weapon

for the crusher the h2 always loops to l3

[rocky marsh]

so there could be e.g. on another weapon that the h2 loops back to a l1?

[royal vortex]

potentially

[rocky marsh]

while having a l3

[royal vortex]

that question is entirely too broad to answer

movesets are weapon specific

[heavy path]

I'm just getting back, do mII H eviscerators need extra cleave or are they good enough natively?

[rocky marsh]

i always thought all stuff "continues" and only blocks break the combo
e.g. l1 always go into h2

[sharp zodiac]

Depends on which one you're using

New one is capped at 4 for cleave

[heavy path]

m2

[sharp zodiac]

Ah

Yeah

[heavy path]

so I should keep the savage sweep or nah?

[sharp zodiac]

Keep it

Unlike the new one it works better on old

[royal vortex]

it completely depends on weapon

[fleet zealot]

Mk2 likes cleave for it’s heavy 1

Activated or not

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah

[heavy path]

SOunds like I need to get the new one

[ripe quest]

It's annoyingly random for each weapon.

Mk IV Chaxe PA used to lead into H1, when they changed the H1 it now loops into H2

[spare dome]

gotta learn ur weaponz

[rocky marsh]

thanks
for crusher, if lets say i want to do single target combo
light light into heavy,
lets say i want to do it again,
do you just light light heavy or reset it with e.g. a PA

[north sedge]

Exhil you missed it, people defending tanners videos

[ripe quest]

Some weapons have entirely new attacks you can only reach from certain moves

[north sedge]

Earlier

[rocky marsh]

i was about to go to sleep but now josho and exhil is replying me so now i can't go to sleep

[ripe quest]

mmm goodie

[fleet zealot]

[ripe quest]

what was the highlight

[fleet zealot]

Imagine being named Tanner

[rocky marsh]

ah

[fleet zealot]

Nice name, did your mom pick it out for you

[rocky marsh]

this what i struggle with tbh
not sure how im supposed to "flow" between combos

[fleet zealot]

Practice and muscle memory

[north sedge]

Eh one person not getting why and someone else who should know better saying that some of the info is good

[fleet zealot]

And you can always use block/push/push attack to reset

[royal vortex]

u wouldnt do l1 l2 h1 u would do h1 l2

the h1 also chains to the l2 so no

[fleet zealot]

H1 is kinda clunky on crusher but not everything can be perfect

[median steeple]

prob already been said but practicing in the psyk to get to know all of the attacks of a weapon will help

[rocky marsh]

(ah, got confused with the PA->light->heavy single target combo. i just assumed light light heavy would be single target as well)

sorry. no as in have to reset with PA?

[ripe quest]

I mean, we all get the same talent and weapon crafting system. something something broken clocks are right twice a day.

[royal vortex]

no as in it wouldnt work at all because push attack also chains to the l2

so u can't fit in 2 lights

so u would have to block cancel and this is just pointless u do the l1 h2 or push attack l2 etc

[rocky marsh]

ahhh

another thing i struggle with is when i try out random combos, i don't know if its a attack A or B ;-;
esp specific attacks on strings look similar, but i understand thats defo more of just practice and looking at my own video

thanks josho

me me go sleep now

[golden anchor]

it's not that bad, there's only 4 light attacks

and 2 heavy attacks

[rocky marsh]

in an actual game, sometimes i don't even know if i did my heavy too early and its actually a light

[golden anchor]

yea, light 1 and light 4 can be confusing

since they're both horizontal, just gotta remember which direction they swing

since light 4 chains into overhead heavy while light 1 chains into cleave heavy lol

Light 1 probably more important to remember since the heavy cleave follows it and is optimal for horde clear, and if you want to "flow" into doing single target damage you're better off push stabbing any time in a chain

less brainpower for weapon so you can focus on your surroundings

[rocky marsh]

thanks for tips

[autumn fern]

guys i have a question about this passive , does it also gives you dmg reduction ?

[rocky marsh]

yeah everytime i try to execute combo in intense situations i stumble badly

[golden anchor]

think of pushstab as a single target l1 that takes stamina since it chains to l2

[native stump]

any recommendations?

[north sedge]

I said the same thing heh

[spare talon]

Yes

[sharp zodiac]

The blessings seem fine, but idk if oawbrinher needs a certain blessing so I'd swap reload speed

[royal vortex]

the push attack also chains to the h2 faster than the l1

so its cool for opening fights

esp if u have desperation

[native stump]

maniac or unarmored?

[sharp zodiac]

Maniac

[native stump]

kk

[spare talon]

SoC also has everyone on an individual timer, so just having it is a huge boon to your entire team

[rocky marsh]

i finally get why people say you need to learn your weapons now
but i feel once you break it down, it seems pretty simple.
just know combos for situation then figure out what loops and what doesn't

i think the latter part is prob harder and less intuitive especially since weapon loops are random ( i did not know this, i always thought it would increment)

[sharp zodiac]

I'd say test both if you have spare plasteel but maniac are more common

Like, in terms of enemy variety

[autumn fern]

idk i try martyr builds , but ifeel so squishy

[spare talon]

Are you trying to take damage to get Marty to proc

And are you taking bleed for the emp

[golden anchor]

most weapons are pretty simple to figure out in this game, I feel like VT had slightly more complex melee weapons. If people are trying to act like a weapon is gigabrain in this game their head is very far up their ass lol

[rocky marsh]

ok ;ast question
is therea any l3 or l4 loop i should know

like l3 or l4 goes into something
(other than l4 goes into l1 of course xD)

[autumn fern]

my builds basicly like this , and i use crusher

[north sedge]

Get rid of martyrs purpose and take bleed for the emp

Wait what weapon is this

[rocky marsh]

on the topic of vt,
ngl i always thought VT was overrated (alongside the tide games melee system)
purely from a design perspective, i don't think its anything very innovative

but i feel i will get 5 replies from 5 people that disagree and scold me

[north sedge]

How dare you sir

Oh drop punishment you don't need it

[minor sage]

overall design wise it's pretty similar to horde style game like l4d

the main thing I think designwise it does very well

is specials

[autumn fern]

i though with punishment gives more stagger

[minor sage]

and sound design

[north sedge]

Yea but crusher already staggers like crazy

[minor sage]

every single special in vt i think is very fair and well designed

[golden anchor]

I guess L3 loops to H1 and back to L3 infinitely

[minor sage]

and sound design is also exceptional, cuz even when there's multiple threats, you always hear the important stuff

[rocky marsh]

i would say just for darktide because i didnt play much VT
the way sound is implemented and how it interacts with gameplay, as a que, is quote innovative yes

[golden anchor]

good for horde clear too

[minor sage]

yes the sound design comes from vt lol

[north sedge]

Ehh the sound stuff is part and parcel l4d

[autumn fern]

hmm okay +5% tough dr ?

[rocky marsh]

l4d2 had sound yeah but i don't think you could do stuff on react to it

or at least you needed to

[minor sage]

the sound was ambience design

not gameplay design

[rocky marsh]

yeah

[minor sage]

sound was really good and fitting

but it didnt interact with how you played at all

[rocky marsh]

honestly i don't get why people circle jerk over the melee system
but yeah, i do feel the sound design is circle jerk worthy

[minor sage]

the CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK CLICK

[golden anchor]

(when it works)

[minor sage]

or "someone call for a BOOM?"

chef kiss

[north sedge]

Specials in l4d has spawn cues and each made a distinct noise giving away general location

Though hunter was silent unless it had leap ready

[rocky marsh]

yeah i know about that one ^
but general location doesn't help much when most of the specials hide in corners or behind cover anyway

[north sedge]

🤔

[rocky marsh]

the on spawn

is defo

needed

im just saying specifically

the general location one

[north sedge]

It was very useful, especially in versus

[rocky marsh]

man didn't play versus
i doubt i can find a lobby now

ok its going to be 6am

[lilac bone]

I actually agree. It's good but. The ranged combat is awesome. It's a really fun change from V2.

[north sedge]

Marty melee speed, twbs, duelist would be my reachable options I'd try to get, and bleed for the emp is mandatory on marty

[brazen linden]

new weapons when

[rocky marsh]

honestly im going to say something even more controversial
the first time i played vt2 i thought to myself it just feels like im playing l4d2 except i could only spam the bash button

[autumn fern]

i do good dmg , i need more defense

[north sedge]

Melee speed means shits locked up more, twbs is defense, dead things are defense!

[golden anchor]

lol if u want more defense on a martyrdom build, definitely need Bleed for the emperor, the barkskin equivalent in the middle tree is good too

[autumn fern]

what's twbs ? 😄

[north sedge]

Bleed for the emp adds a ton of def for marty

[brazen linden]

Thy Wrath be Swift

[north sedge]

Thy wrath be swift, melee and ranged stagger immunity

[lilac bone]

I though most of the ranged weapons were trash in Darktide for months, I was very wrong. The level design is amazing for ranged combat and movement.

[brazen linden]

i dont run it tho on my max attack speed build

[golden anchor]

Shield of contempt + Bleed for the emperor + restoring faith = tank build for martyrdom

[royal vortex]

the only time i felt ok using martyrdom was when p13 first came out and i was trying to outdamage assail pub psykers

[north sedge]

Bimbo assail psykers

[royal vortex]

TRUE

[brazen linden]

i like martyrdom for the attack speed

[royal vortex]

can't forget that thammer is the assail of bosses

[brazen linden]

thats all i use it for

with the charge ofc

[north sedge]

I just find marty boring, momentum fits me more

[golden anchor]

Momentum does it better though tbh

[sage river]

What is assail the assail of

[royal vortex]

momentum at least pretends like ur doing something cool when u use it

[golden anchor]

momentum works on your ranged weapon

checkmate atheists

[autumn fern]

idk i like it , i clutched some games with marty

[lilac bone]

Here's the really controversal take that will get people screaming: for gunfighting as opposed to sharpshooting the zealot is better than the vet.

[north sedge]

I've clutched games with momentum!

[autumn fern]

I am Ogrny main , so for me Mortyr is like more clother

[north sedge]

🤔

[brazen linden]

yeh i feel like martyr could use something extra when at extremely low health

[north sedge]

What

[autumn fern]

like plasma gun

[golden anchor]

Give white health for martyrdom so we can be true zealot cosplayers

[north sedge]

The extra dmg, attack speed, and tdr not enough?

[golden anchor]

give 1 more node point that lets you overflow your toughness

[north sedge]

[golden anchor]

give you 50 gold health lol

gold toughness*

[autumn fern]

how do you guys take all those nodes , i cant take all what you reccomend

[ripe quest]

It's a steep-ish learning curve that evens out pretty fast.

[north sedge]

When you hit 10 hp plasma shots shoot out of your crotch once a second too while we're at it

[ripe quest]

Just gotta learn the initial stuff and then it can literally just be autopilot stuff

[north sedge]

Drop vicious offering, martyrs purpose, punishment

[autumn fern]

already did

[north sedge]

So that gets you bleed, atk speed, and twbs yea?

[autumn fern]

not enough to get attack speed

[golden anchor]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9b23f8b1-057a-4db8-a399-cb67da76a93d

drops twbs

[north sedge]

What? Its a marty node

🤔

[autumn fern]

[golden anchor]

Yea, just got to pick between TWBS and shield of contempt

[north sedge]

Oh because you took soc

[golden anchor]

both are good though

[autumn fern]

imma try yours

[golden anchor]

so you can pick between either

SoC and TWBS is the main choice though, if you want both you can can by sacrificing double dash and sustained assault

[proud scroll]

which one?

does the 2 damage dif really matter?

[pale kelp]

okay y/n? (I run a knife)

[lilac bone]

There is a pretty good chance the one with lower damage might hit harder for crits with the extra finesse.

[placid hedge]

Brick?

[buoyant pecan]

Those are Steve noodles

The same way other cats are merely alternative Steve Skins

[steel agate]

Who’s the Steve?

[buoyant pecan]

@fading vale post steve

[steel agate]

Talkin Minecraft steve?

Cuz that’s what my brain defaults to when I see that name

[buoyant pecan]

This is Steve, @fading vale 's Steve

[steel agate]

So steve is the ultimate deceiver

Master of disguise

[buoyant pecan]

He is all

https://tenor.com/view/tf2engineer-imposter-it-could-be-you-meme-tf2spy-gif-23428001

[steel agate]

Dang so he’s also alpharius, thats nuts

[gaunt roost]

is the mk4 assault chainsword a single target weapon

[fleet zealot]

oH FUCK

i cant read

[gaunt roost]

[fleet zealot]

please ignore my illiterate ass

[north sedge]

The other one is more single target focused

[gaunt roost]

bc it feels ass for crowdclear

[fleet zealot]

i read chainsword as chainaxe

[gaunt roost]

sticking into one enemy

[north sedge]

🤔

[fleet zealot]

for chord, you want savage sweep, or at least wrath or perfect strike

[north sedge]

You should only rev it for fuck this one guy

[fleet zealot]

and try to combo into your horizontal/good diagonal attacks

dont rev it for anything

[gaunt roost]

speaking of where can i find a guide to combos and stuff

[north sedge]

It has some of the best horde clear otherwise

[gaunt roost]

feels much more relevant on zealot than veteran or ogryn

[fleet zealot]

i dont think there is any set in stone guide for weapon attack patterns and labelling each L and H

you just kinda have to practice and see what works

[median steeple]

honestly suprised no one has created a guide for it

https://tenor.com/view/lethal-company-gif-8890329830311161961

[golden anchor]

Bunch of brainless apes, what do you expect

[coarse birch]

Tbf most are h1 l1 or just light spam

[median steeple]

so true

I cant really think of a weapon that requires higher brain power than press left click then hold left click

[fleet zealot]

we should probably make one but oh well

[golden anchor]

Optimal combos in this game dont do that much better than mash most of the time lol

[fleet zealot]

most weapons can be just spammed straight heavies or straight lights

[golden anchor]

Not vt2

[fleet zealot]

but damn

there is some darktide footage that is giga cursed

dude fighting a horde with a chsword and somehow always cancels/combos back into an overhead

"wow this game is hard"

no your brain is hard

[nimble fiber]

lol

[north sedge]

Most weapons are dead simple

[nimble fiber]

gottem

[north sedge]

Only crusher and crucis have anything going on, in different ways. Crusher has combo stuff, crucis is about positioning and hitbox manipulation on the special

[fleet zealot]

and fatshark can't make any waepons "harder but more rewarding" cause every vet player will cry

[coarse birch]

i actually kinda liked the idea of giving stuff like psword bad dodges and whatnot it just doesnt really balance out

[daring belfry]

should I buy this knife?

[coarse birch]

no

[fleet zealot]

no

[nimble fiber]

no

[fleet zealot]

uncanny low and lacerate doo doo

but on your knife

take off crit damage

it scales terribly

[daring belfry]

roger roger

[sharp zodiac]

Ah what a nap

[nimble fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-lizard-lizard-dancing-dance-moves-gif-16130297

[frank night]

u were gone for like

18 mins

[sharp zodiac]

I got 16 minutes before melk reset so at least I have time

[median steeple]

just a quick 20min power nap

[frank night]

I cannot nap without feeling like I died and was forced to come back

[open pollen]

Can anyone give me the low down on how inventory score works? I was told having high-level items in your inventory improves your drops/crafting/shops somehow but they could have just been Drake and Joshin' me. If there is such a factor, is it better to have a lot of items in your inventory or only a few high level ones.

[frank night]

I have never really heard any of the gigahour meganerds talk about it beyond character level affecting it

so u may simply have been talking to a conspiracy nut

[sour hull]

Once you hit lvl 30 it's a matter of chance

[frank night]

like I only keep good base rolls

[spare dome]

gearscore was vt2 shit

[frank night]

and I still see really small base rolls

[median steeple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/693362593758445608/1059966445162872962/Rustly_-_Good_morning.mp4?ex=65b97cad&is=65a707ad&hm=606712f43f623893eb56cf1ff5b73c6326de5ee78657bd1f5237070faff2d68c&

[frank night]

i feel like that is just what happens when one of these sleep deprivation whackos makes the foolish decision of allowing their head to touch a pillow

and their brain charges them the bill for the tab they've been running

[median steeple]

the lights are on but no one is home

[north sedge]

i have to be deeply sick, injured, or sleep deprived to even manage a small nap

[nimble fiber]

relatable

[frank night]

the deeply sick hits me

the last time I napped was when I was so down under a fever I was visibly shaking

[median steeple]

fevers that get that bad are the fucking worst holy shit