zealot-class

[zealous basin]

alright little bitch who refuses to actually engage with a response

[cursive viper]

What should I change on this? Current plan is Elites -> flak or maniac and then wait to see if I can get hammerblow IV

[zealous basin]

im sorry that u cant appreciate mild banter

but nice job backstepping on being a creepy weirdo you totally dont look like a creepy loser anymore

great job

[crisp plaza]

Aren’t both the blessings really good

[zealous basin]

"dont drink just make sure she drinks" "bro i didnt say get her drunk" fucking creepy loser jesus christ

get therapy man

[crisp plaza]

Oh I see you want hammer blow 4

[cursive viper]

never used a crusher before, that's why I'm asking
I have just been seeing hammerblow more often than trauma, so I'd assumed it'd be better in practice

[royal vortex]

there's a crusher guide in the pins u may be interested in

generally if ur gonna swap a perk specialists is doing legit nothing for u

so i'd rather keep elites

[crisp plaza]

Lmfao

[cursive viper]

Thank you very much

[zealous basin]

josho plugging his guide again

[royal vortex]

ideally i'd just swap both perks because trauma vs hammerblow is super inconsequential

[cursive viper]

that was the plan

[royal vortex]

its gonna happen every time smh

[zealous basin]

its okay u earned it

[crisp plaza]

I love how some perks are straight up unusable

[zealous basin]

im just gonna clown on u

[royal vortex]

thats right

u better

[zealous basin]

u r a femboy

gotem

[royal vortex]

also flak is gonna do more for u individually than maniac

since it covers bruisers/shooters/some ragers etc

maniac does nothing for flamers because the h1 headshot will one-tap it anyways

so its trappers/muties/dreg ragers that is has benefit against and a lot of the time ur shooting trappers (and muties) or just trying to make sure they dont net u

[cursive viper]

alright, so Flak and Unyielding should work fine, right?

[royal vortex]

yea

[cursive viper]

ranged weapon currently is a Mk X Laspistol, so most carapace isn't a problem anyway

thanks :)

[royal vortex]

i pmuch always take unyielding on crusher nowadays because speeding up killing bulwarks is probs the most impactful thing u can do

[lone matrix]

and it is more usefull for monsters and reapers aswell or not

[royal vortex]

reapers are a lil inconsistent cuz they have such goofy stagger/suppression animations

that u can get memed into bodyshots

[zealous basin]

unyielding goated

unyielding forever

universal

[thorn flicker]

no love for the push attack huh

[tulip valve]

immeasurably complex or something

[thorn flicker]

i wish it would just show the stats for it

[vestal coyote]

Literally what I did lol

[acoustic briar]

what blessings should i be looking for with a powerhammer

[steel agate]

I like headtaker and thrust

[thorn flicker]

thrust is good

i also use momentum to keep my toughness up while dealing with hordes

[naive star]

I already got Crusher, any reason to use this instead?

[golden anchor]

Crusher and thunderhammers are different weapons lol

[thorn flicker]

crusher and thunder hammer have different power attacks

and sorta different purposes

[golden anchor]

thats a pretty spicy mk4 though, worth upgrading and not hoping for a brick

Unyielding + thrust at the minimum, slaughterer/headtaker + either flak or maniac after would be nice but not necessary

[naive star]

Picked it up for rainy day when bored and got extra materials (currently thats never)

[golden anchor]

Crusher is basically good for everything and meh on bosses, while t hammer is good for bosses and meh at everything else lol

[naive star]

Crucis then though? Only good for bosses?

[thorn flicker]

i think crucis is versatile enough at horde clearing

[golden anchor]

ironhelm power attack can cleave through trash until it hits carapace/mauler

Crucis can get the job done if you don't care much for the dps, pretty much every other melee clears horde faster than thammers

[thorn flicker]

you can be a frontliner and stagger/knock down enemies while your team does the main dps

[golden anchor]

Why not both with almost every other zealot weapon

[naive star]

Combat Knife mk3 feels bit slow on trash mobs

[golden anchor]

probably about the same speed as crucis tbh

might even be faster

[naive star]

But the playstyle is so fun that its addicting to zip around and backstab gunners and such with one hit to the back of their heads

[golden anchor]

That playstyle is doable with most other weapons as well, zealot privilege

[thorn flicker]

cause you can't oneshot mutants and do huge boss damage with almost every other zealot weapon

[golden anchor]

evi mk15 does

[rigid trellis]

mk2 evis does

[thorn flicker]

is it a one-hit or one-long-animation

[golden anchor]

full combo since evi has 2 guaranteed crits off chastise

longer but you're not bad against literally everything else

[rigid trellis]

it's technically a long animation but on the mk15 it's short enough to barely be a hindrance

[golden anchor]

so longer, but dps is probably similar

thammer you gotta go through initla charge animation

also evi mk15 revs through mutants too 🙂

on a light attack no less

I'm all for having fun, but t hammer probably needs some tweaks atm

sacrificing everything for good boss dmg when bosses are schmuck bait is not great weapon design

[rigid trellis]

with +maniac damage you can kill a mutant with a regular heavy attack with mk15 evis

[golden anchor]

But fucking up a demonhost (when it doesn't ghost hit) is always a nice dopamine rush

can't discount that

but if it comes down to clutching solo, t hammer wouldn't probably be most people's first pick

it is what it is

[still quartz]

I wonder when the next dev blog is

We probably gonna get a cosmetics hotfix in Feburary and that'll be it for another few months kek

[rocky marsh]

this like good?

[still quartz]

Hmm... think you want Deadly Critical and Headhunter for Blessings, and at least Damage vs Flak Armor?

I wouldn't know, I don't use Lasguns

... I definitely should try tho

[rocky marsh]

i see, i got this for free and it seems decent

[stiff timber]

i was gonna try stealth zealot coz why not, is Ruthless backstab good enough to keeep ?

what do i change

[still quartz]

Ruthless Backstab is interesting to run to say the least

But Uncanny Strike is more consistent and less conditional for its purposes

[stiff timber]

i can change the precognition

[still quartz]

I would recommend that instead, although those Perks do need fixing

Nah keep Precognition

[stiff timber]

sprint effeciency probably not bad

i thought precognition was the bad one there

[still quartz]

Nah

Precog is usually what is kept interestingly

[stiff timber]

is revolver ok for secondary

[still quartz]

Ja

[stiff timber]

seems like every build use revolver in the end

[still quartz]

If your gun can reliably dispatch Trappers

It's gucci

I use a Columnus BrAuto on my Stealth Knife build

Arguably speaking, Infantry Auto would be better here

[stiff timber]

i mean, i have blade of faith too for that no

[still quartz]

... In my opinion

[still quartz]

Unless you're doing that to save on points

Don't do it

Or if you like the throwing knives

Then do keep it xd

God I'd show you my Knife build but I can't remember it for the life of me atm

Nor do I wanna get on just to show it

[stiff timber]

blade of faith get fastest access for loner aura too no

[still quartz]

Loner Aura weak

Too weak unfortunately

Unfortunately my build has to get it or else not enough talent points

Hmm, I have an idea, uno momento

[stiff timber]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a7a817d-6ef9-49b6-9e1e-c6f1d03b3fec/zealot-meta-stealth

i was referencing to this build

[still quartz]

Yeah fuck those "meta" tags

[golden anchor]

lmao

[still quartz]

What the hell is a meta

[stiff timber]

[still quartz]

Who the hell makes the meta

Fools, all of them

[golden anchor]

that guy's stuff is not great

[still quartz]

Also that build is ass

Am jk that's mean

But it's still not that great for Knife's potential

You can get even more optimal

For maximum Knife-age

[lavish flame]

Its a speedrunning build

Not a knifrage build

[still quartz]

That explains a lot

Terrible

[stiff timber]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a72c558-0aae-47c9-aeb4-e59af3e00f3a/auric-maelstrom-spam-invis-crit-assassin

what about this

[golden anchor]

Speedrunning is sort of easy though tbh

[lavish flame]

Its meta in that its the build most commonly used by zealot solos

[golden anchor]

just dodge dog and trapper and don't kill anything

[lavish flame]

Cos well

[still quartz]

Zealot solos?

[lavish flame]

Speedrunning

[still quartz]

Really?

[golden anchor]

very braindead, can do it on a controller

[still quartz]

In a fucking team game?

[lavish flame]

Yep

Thats the joke

[still quartz]

Excuse my flabbergastedness

[golden anchor]

I'd drop retributor's stance for swift certainty

whats the point of speedrunning if im giving up 10% extra speed

[lavish flame]

Wait this doesnt take TWBS

🤔

[stiff timber]

i just take it

and remove the 10% atk speed

[lavish flame]

Mm

[golden anchor]

ghost laspistol

doesnt need TWBS

[still quartz]

I'd run this for my Knife build if I was crazy enough to not run TWBS

[lavish flame]

Oh true!

[still quartz]

However I am very sure you need TWBS

But that forces you take Loner

[golden anchor]

tbh twbs isn't that important on knife lol

[still quartz]

It shouldn't be

But the moment you want it, man

xd

[lavish flame]

Ghost laspistol does save ur hide in a gunner stunlock

[golden anchor]

Danny devito meta

pull out gun, I started blasting

[still quartz]

Honestly I think Laspistol is best pairing on a Crit Stealth Knife build

I should do that instead

[lavish flame]

Agreed

[still quartz]

But my fashion demands otherwise

[lavish flame]

Laspistol amaze

[golden anchor]

I'm glad people dont say laspistol is busted because it feels bad to use

laspistol is in the same fucked up tier as plasma and revolver

[still quartz]

It's not asinine busted

[lavish flame]

Its not as braindead easy

[golden anchor]

does more boss damage than those 2

[still quartz]

It's not bottom tier

[golden anchor]

perfect accuracy with hipfire

[stiff timber]

ill try it

[golden anchor]

moves as fast as knife

has ghost

does shit tons of dmg on crit if you run blazing piety

[lavish flame]

Remember tiers atm arent ranked by raw power or potential

[still quartz]

I hope your melee gameplay is on point

[golden anchor]

ranked by ease of use because everyone is monkey IQ I guess

[lavish flame]

Yes

Its why plasma is S

Not because its super duper strong

[still quartz]

Interesting

[lavish flame]

But cos a monkey could use it

[golden anchor]

its ok, that just means more time to enjoy it until it gets nerfed

but I'm sure fatshark just listens to player complaints more

[lavish flame]

I mean im not sure if it will tbh

Helbore hasnt

[golden anchor]

Then again ogryn exists 🙂

[lavish flame]

And has gotten nothing but buffs

[golden anchor]

Doesn't matter what they use because bleed talent is busted AF lol

[still quartz]

I want a proper scope on Helbore

[stiff timber]

what do i do with my knife tho

[still quartz]

And no I am NOT running that mod

[stiff timber]

what do i change

[still quartz]

Just replace Backstab with Uncanny Strike

It'll be more reliable

[stiff timber]

and ?

perks ?

ig

[still quartz]

Get Damage vs Flak on it

I run Damage vs Flak and Damage vs Unarmoured instead of like Carapace

[stiff timber]

replace sprint eff ig ?

[golden anchor]

replace sprint with flak

[still quartz]

Yeah replace Sprint

[golden anchor]

sprint eff is bad, just learn how to slide heavy melee

[lavish flame]

Ye u aint speedrunning so reg knife sprint is good enough

[still quartz]

And honestly I hate speedrun builds

[stiff timber]

cool

[golden anchor]

Charge Heavy > Slide > release heavy to get boost from heavy to cover the slowdown from slide recovery

use no stamina and go fast

[umbral kindle]

Speed running is also very cringe if your teammates don't want to

[stiff timber]

only have uncanny 3 so that will have to do

[golden anchor]

unga bunga mash

good enough

[still quartz]

Yep more than good enough

Although Mark 3...

Yeah fuck it Mk3 gucci

[golden anchor]

mark 3 is fine

[still quartz]

Just spam Lights

[golden anchor]

mark 3/6 is preference

[stiff timber]

oh idk which one is good

[still quartz]

I like Mk 6 more, the Heavies are my cup of tea

[stiff timber]

i just random craft

[still quartz]

And that Push Attack is just mmmm

Tasty

[golden anchor]

both push attacks are good tbh

[stiff timber]

i like lights attack though

[still quartz]

Yeah

[stiff timber]

mk3 better on light ?

[still quartz]

Would Mk6 Light Attacks be better for hordes?

[stiff timber]

idk

[golden anchor]

its about the same

[still quartz]

Yeah shouldn't be too different

[lavish flame]

Mhm

[still quartz]

Just go for it

Fuck it

[golden anchor]

mk6 just has better horde heavies and slightly worse horde single targets

[lavish flame]

Lights are mostly for chaff anyway

[golden anchor]

mk6 haymaker is a funny meme though

[still quartz]

Does Haymaker apply to all enemies hit by Heavy 1 and 2 xd

[golden anchor]

yea lol

[lavish flame]

That take damage ye

[golden anchor]

it hits 4

[lavish flame]

Mhm

[golden anchor]

if you get lucky you can delete 4 maulers in 1 go

lol

[still quartz]

So you mean there's a chance it just fuckin murders more dudes in a sweep than it should xd

That's stupid asf

[umbral kindle]

And if you're lucky you get to one shot a mauler

It appears I type too slow

[golden anchor]

20% is a pretty good chance tbh

[lavish flame]

Does it have the cleave to hit 4 maulers?

[still quartz]

God maybe I should make a new MK6 Knife with Uncanny and Haymaker KEK

[golden anchor]

it was either 3/4 flak, I don't remember exactly

[lavish flame]

Cos iirc maulers have 4+ hitmass

[still quartz]

I should be finishing homework instead of chatting here

Smfh me

[umbral kindle]

My only issue with haymaker is I like to weave all the different attacks rather than go heavy unga bunga spam

[still quartz]

I have a bad habit

I do Heavy 1 - Heavy 2 - Push - Heavy 1 - Heavy 2

Or Block Cancel

Call that the "fuck I played too much Ironhelm Hammer" tactic

And then if I need single target I just spam Push Attack on heads xd

[umbral kindle]

Ironhelm is H1>H2>L>H>L>H etc

[still quartz]

Push Attack + Special Light 1 loop

Yeah Ironhelm is H1 -> H2 -> L - H loop

Or Push Attack -> H -> L

All roads lead to L -> H loop on Ironhelm

[umbral kindle]

Power up if you feeling freaky

[still quartz]

I always feel freaky deaky

[umbral kindle]

Always worth seeing 10 poxwalkers evaporate

[rocky marsh]

first target isn't that important right?
this serviceable?

or just roll for another

[still quartz]

First Target kinda needed on combat axes, ngl

You may have to roll for another, sorry :c

Mobility dump stat

[rocky marsh]

i know but

so hard to roll for a good one

xD

[still quartz]

It is

Welcome to Darktide

[golden anchor]

mobility just has to be over 50

[rocky marsh]

because it seems like the first target scaling isn't that bad

[golden anchor]

everything else at above 70 and its fine

[rocky marsh]

rashad seems to be very close to god roll tier

[obtuse stirrup]

Combat axes are very stat dependent

[rocky marsh]

at this point im contemplating to just roll for my trauma staff lol

[still quartz]

Just do whatever xd

[stiff timber]

i crafted another one and got this

usable ?

for the mk6

my poor plasteel

[still quartz]

Nope

Sorry

Nah am jk it's usable

Hmmmm

[stiff timber]

😢

[still quartz]

Idea

8% Melee Damage to Flak

And then whatever the fuck you want to replace Ruthless Backstab with I guess idunno xd

My Knife has Executor atm

Hell you could even meme a little and keep the Ruthless Backstab so you always have guaranteed 100% Rending if you do Backstabs, useful versus bosses and Crushers when they aren't targeting you

[stiff timber]

i tested a auric run and yeah

i always be behind on crusher

[still quartz]

Damn you test run Auric?

I'm too wussy for that

I just run Damnation

[stiff timber]

normal damnation snoozefest

[still quartz]

I imagine that's more common for the... not-too-casual playerbase anyway

[stiff timber]

its pretty ok

[still quartz]

I dabble in the occassional Maelstrom and Hi-ints / Shock Troop Gauntlets

[stiff timber]

though we lost midway coz the 3 man couldnt handle 3 crusher in a small alleyway

no more grenades

[still quartz]

Kek

[stiff timber]

i tried to revive

2 guy in same spot

[still quartz]

Adaptability weak

[stiff timber]

but he died

before i can res

coz triple overhead crusher

spamming on him

aight ill try the mk6 now

[still quartz]

GLHF

[latent summit]

day be so fine then boom. clipped the medkit and lose matyrdom stack

[still quartz]

Day be so fine then boom

Ally heal stimm

xd

[latent summit]

th-thanks veteran-kun

[jolly scaffold]

day be so fine then im forced to stay in the freaks bubble

😔

[placid fiber]

Rip great day

[rocky marsh]

hey does aatrox tactical axe blessin g carry over to rashad caxe>

[placid fiber]

not in your blessing pool

taxes and caxes don't share the same blessing pool as far as blessings you have ripped off of the weapons

[rocky marsh]

thanks dude, i saw one taze with brum 4 on melk

[placid fiber]

Won't help your caxes x.x

[umbral kindle]

Best combat ability for killing bosses? Fury? Shroud? Nuh uh

Btw what should I use the second reroll on for this

[copper hawk]

UR STINKY

[still quartz]

Eh I'd just keep it

Unless you need Flak but that shouldn't make a huge difference in the grand scheme

[umbral kindle]

I'm building another anyway tbf

[polar nexus]

Just get thrust4

[tardy thicket]

what it need

[lavish flame]

Swap opening salvo for deadly accurate

Swap reload speed for flak

[umbral kindle]

Now this I can work with

[tardy thicket]

Thanks

[polar nexus]

Just change the perks

But I prefer the thrust 😄

[umbral kindle]

Infested isn't terrible for trash clear tbf

[dense field]

pretty good

[polar nexus]

You don't need with 2 power blessings

[dense field]

however

[umbral kindle]

Yeah but HT + Slaught is very horde centred

so idk if I want to change one

perk feels less important

than having like thrust to one shot crushers

[polar nexus]

You could go headtaker thrust and infested carapace

Because you will one shot ever elite

Or slaughterer

[umbral kindle]

probably do that

[stray cloak]

2 handed chain axe when?

[placid fiber]

3034*

[vast basin]

When you buy more cosmetics

[dense field]

so soon

[placid fiber]

oh sorry

[dense field]

now we're talking

[placid fiber]

Know what sucks? When you breathe in the cinnamon sugar from the cinnamon toast you are eating

kinda burns when it gets in the lungs >.>'

I don't advise doing that >.>

3/10 experience

[still quartz]

How hard of a whiff are you taking if you do that

[rocky marsh]

@still quartz from one caxe to another, but different brand, does blessing carry over?

[placid fiber]

Just a good full breath of cinnamon

[placid fiber]

All caxes share blessings

they are the same weapon class

[rocky marsh]

thanks dood

[cunning pecan]

best perks for long ranged weapons in ur oppinion? i think 25% for unyelding enemies is a must for my braced autogun

[placid fiber]

flak and maniac

generally speaking

[cunning pecan]

do ragers count as unyelding?

[placid fiber]

no

[cunning pecan]

always wonderd

[coarse temple]

No

Maniac

[still quartz]

Yes

[placid fiber]

ragers are flak(scab) and maniac(dreg)

[coarse temple]

Use the range Luke

[cunning pecan]

i see

[coarse temple]

Psykaneum is stupid useful for this kind of stuff

Figuring out breakpoints you want to hit

Etc

[cunning pecan]

im zealot, i got a real good braced autogun that shreds almost everything in its path

[coarse temple]

I assume it's the argi

[placid fiber]

Flak and Maniac are the go-to on most weapons

[coarse temple]

Agri

[coarse temple]

Yep

[placid fiber]

at least columnus have 50% stopping power if what Josho said that one time is correct

[rocky marsh]

rushad is bru momentum and decap?

[placid fiber]

bromentum and headtaker

[rocky marsh]

this no work>

[placid fiber]

it's 10 stacks on that now

so getting the full stacks is much harder and you lose them all the same

just like taxes, headtaker is prefered

It used to be 5 stacks on decimator for caxes

[cunning pecan]

i hate you sometimes get locked in changing the third perk in your curios

[still quartz]

Decimator is good

It just drops all stacks if you miss a hit iirc

[placid fiber]

it's just not as good as it used tobe

[vast basin]

You also used to be able to get multiple stacks of deci per hit

[placid fiber]

Yeah, the 10 stacks thing is just meh

[still quartz]

I mean 50% power is a good amount, no?

[placid fiber]

10 stacks and losing them all from 1 mistake is meh

[still quartz]

Oh yeah true

[vast basin]

Not when you have to swing 10 times for it without missing

[still quartz]

Eh still not the worst option

cough Decapitator cough

[placid fiber]

It beats nothing, but, it still is meh

I used to defend decimator but then they nerfed it from 10% power up to 5 stacks to 5% power up to 10 stacks

If you had maybe a 1 miss leeway it would be better, imo

[vast basin]

I think it would be fine if you could still stack it by hitting multiple things with one swing

This would atleast let it keep its identity of ramping up if you just keep swinging

While not being too punishing for misses

But I digres

[still quartz]

Eh I'd just cap how many times it can gain stacks per swing

2 times per swing sounds like a good start

It's just that old Brutal Momentum made it extremely easy to get all stacks in one swing

[odd fjord]

What's wrong w decapitator?

[still quartz]

Hard to stack and the Finesse bonus is just not that powerful

[royal vortex]

how the fk did the emperor put this in my inventory

what the hell

[fading vale]

74 first target, trash

[royal vortex]

it's over.

[fading vale]

keep perfect strike and turn it into an hsword for light spamming crushers

[royal vortex]

put crit chance crit damage on it

i got it from this match

that vet had the columnus iag and i outshot him with a brauto while taking half the ammo

[fading vale]

vet bad

[royal vortex]

😔

ruined

[copper hawk]

U cheater

Mother btich,

Fucker !, shit

[royal vortex]

i used throwing knives

which is i guess cheating

most of my melee elite kills were unironically throwing knives into dreg ragers

[copper hawk]

Ur darky.

[coarse birch]

Only t3 stuff?

With your hours?

🤨

[royal vortex]

get the fk out of here mankar

he bullied me into getting a crusher with t4 blessings

[lavish flame]

Lel

Like how

Did he shoot the ceiling or smth

[royal vortex]

dude idk cuz the best part is

he had knife

he wasnt meleeing

[lavish flame]

I.

How

Howww

How do u run knife IAG, not melee

And only get 200k damage ranged

While picking up so muvch ammo

[royal vortex]

i think what was happening

is he kept like running away from enemies

because he would get downed with poxwalkers all around him

[lavish flame]

I...

[royal vortex]

and he just spent the entire game being in the wrong place

[lavish flame]

But then how the fuck did he use so much ammo

[royal vortex]

i legit a couple times would just stand behind him

and throw knives at what he was shooting

becuase w/e the fuck he was doing wasnt killing stuff

[royal vortex]

beats me

[lavish flame]

Like did he shoot the ceiling

Or smth

[royal vortex]

it's tins picked up so he couldve been grabbing shit he didnt need

i didnt really see him at yellow

[lavish flame]

Oh fair

[royal vortex]

well ok one of his downs was in like a shotgunner swarm with a plogryn

that was cool cuz i ressed him at the last possible tick

[plain drift]

Qcuik question for everyone. I got two flamers I'm deciding between. One has low ammo, but high burn, and the other has high ammo, but low burn.
What would be better?

[lavish flame]

High burn

Ammo isnt that needed on flamer

[plain drift]

ty

[royal vortex]

two stealth players

two knives

oh fk me this is gonna be good

one of the stealth guys is a shovel vet

[lavish flame]

Also most of the damage from flamer is from the afterburn

[royal vortex]

i have faith in him

[lavish flame]

Not the held down fire

So u need to get a feel for how long to hold down the trigger

To stack enough burn stacks to kill things

[jolly bridge]

the min-maxing correct answer is "you need exactly 76 burn. More than 76 doesn't give you any bonuses. Less than 76 misses the last break-point"

[fading vale]

it's 76+ not exactly 76

[jolly bridge]

76 is the last break point

[fading vale]

yeah

[jolly bridge]

if you get 77 it's ok, the +1 wont do anything for you but just make sure not to get 75

[hushed knoll]

Hi Lazarus

[fading vale]

Hi Stanislav

[hushed knoll]

Is the ice any better

[fading vale]

Not really

[hushed knoll]

Poop

Did you at least enjoy your peanut butter pretzels

[fading vale]

But the sun is out and it's above freezing

so

[hushed knoll]

Oh sweet

It’s snowing here and I am going to explode from happiness

[coarse birch]

Lmao

[hushed knoll]

Snow makes me want to wrap the entire world in something cozy

[placid fiber]

It's -2 degrees here x.x

[fading vale]

[hushed knoll]

Except crabs

Because crabs can’t be cozy

[hushed knoll]

You’re not a Celsius user, right?

[placid fiber]

yeah

It's -2 f

[hushed knoll]

Ugh

Cold

[placid fiber]

so it's way below freezing xD

[hushed knoll]

Thank god you don’t use shitty Celsius

[placid fiber]

-19 c according to my weather ap lol

[coarse birch]

I remember last year we had a few days where it hit -20

That was cold

[placid fiber]

it was like -12 F not that long ago

like maybe a week ago

[coarse birch]

I do like the cold

Preferable to heat

[placid fiber]

you can only strip so much for heat x.x

[solar gorge]

It's Celsius or nothing

the rest is for barbarians

[placid fiber]

it was -24 about a week ago lol, as far a celsius goes

[solar gorge]

very cold

[placid fiber]

I've walked in colder >.<'

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/loxhjm

[placid fiber]

why are you nutting the trapper?

[royal vortex]

i am hunting those ragers

[sharp zodiac]

Mutant train reminds me why I hate mutants more than trappers

[placid fiber]

It's cause she's the only female special isn't it

[royal vortex]

i killed a rager in this clip smh

[sharp zodiac]

At least with the trapper I can hear shit

[steel agate]

The tox flamer in question:

[placid fiber]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/907948619376766979/1102378533256450088/2FA4296C-344B-4C13-AD15-C6FFF8C14A85.gif

[sharp zodiac]

Idk why it's so hard for me to get back into zel compared to vet and psyker

I think it's the playstyle

[jolly bridge]

You should try Gun Zealot then. It is just INSANE!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkN52rZzC4k
Back in November I made a build around Columnus IAG and Stripped Down immunity.
The new version (Mk II) is taking advantage of Shredder Autopistol crit, stagger, suppression and attack speed (btw, it evaporates maniac)
Trust!

[sharp zodiac]

Alright

[fading vale]

"gun zealot" with an autopistol 🤔

we have all of like, 2 talents that are ranged specific

[atomic coyote]

anyone know where i can find the "mastering the loner aura" meme?

[fading vale]

anoint and dance of death but tbh anoint is the only great one, and then piety is good for finesse weapons

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/kdlsgp

he bled too close to the sun 😔

[solar obsidian]

the amount of zealots with loner and throwing knives ive seen when i try to help with hm twins

[royal vortex]

throwing knives are whatever in twins if u know other ppl are gonna bring nades and u have a field improv vet

although if ur doing pubs u can't count on that at all

[sharp zodiac]

What kind of spawn is the idea of being put in the middle of 4 overhead crushers in a circle

Literally was stuck

I think I should've just played GG strive

[steel agate]

with or without dlc

[fading vale]

let's see if I can get an Uber....

[sterile stone]

That’s quitter mentality

Get back in there

[coarse birch]

Gg strive gonna put you in a more fucked up situation than that

[steel agate]

Das why I was worried bout if they had dlc, granted it don’t matter if they don’t got it just if the opponent does

Then again lads like nagoyuki exist so no one is safe

[coarse birch]

Tbf even base game

[sharp zodiac]

Anything is better than this

[coarse birch]

My ass doesnt wanna fighting mashing ass leo

Get me out of there

[steel agate]

He ungas therefor u must bunga to defeat him

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/happychaos-guiltygear-guiltygearstrive-peacesign-happychaosguiltygear-gif-23935015

[sharp zodiac]

My god damn ogryn hits a poxburster then a ninja kills me

[coarse birch]

I actually hated HC less than most people

But he was dumb

[steel agate]

I mean considering his lore? Dumb fits him

Being the original and all that

[north sedge]

I had already been playing less when he came out so i don't have a ton of experience fighting him really

[steel agate]

“Why worry bout the copious amount of spells I created when I got these fancy guns?”

[coarse birch]

He just zoned you stupidly well which most people dont like

[sharp zodiac]

Fuck this I'm gonna go columnus voc ps vet

[coarse birch]

But like also killed you at full screen lol

[sharp zodiac]

Then I'll go play GG

[north sedge]

Zoners always be annoying

[steel agate]

So does testament but I saw no one complain bout them

[coarse birch]

Tbh the real issue was his buttons werent terrible either

He was designed like a smash zoner but slightly less egregiously

Testament you can hit there buttons at least

Iirc

And get CH

[steel agate]

The arbiter sign mix in question:

[coarse birch]

But honestly i also hated testament

The main reason i stopped playing GG was i just didnt enjoy fighting a good portion of the roster lol

[north sedge]

I just kinda naturally fell off

[coarse birch]

I didnt play a ton tho

Maybe 200 hours

[north sedge]

A played a bunch first like, 3 or 4 months of the game then just kinda gradually stopped playing

Checking in for a bit when season 1 characters got added

Only time I've played since was to beat the shit out of mort a few months ago

[royal vortex]

dude i just got this BASED headhunter vet

idk if he had the rending or what but he was just fkin blasting crushers

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah I just went to GG

Didn't feel like playing vet

[ember yew]

what about gbvsr?

[steel agate]

isn’t there like, other operators?

[sharp zodiac]

Psyker and zel didn't work

[steel agate]

And?

[sharp zodiac]

And I didn't feel like touching vet

[steel agate]

What bout big man ogryn

[sharp zodiac]

I don't have one

[steel agate]

I hope u get mixed in strive

[sterile stone]

Where’s your evidence

[fiery ingot]

how do i git gud at shooting heads

its so easy to do it with revolver, but with other weapons its so damn hard

[ember yew]

you move your mouse

https://tenor.com/view/the-x-files-mulder-and-scully-gif-18364818

[royal vortex]

practice pmuch

a lot of enemies are stationary or move in relatively straight lines in this game

[ember yew]

apart from dogs

[fiery ingot]

i have some god rolled headhunters and helbores on my vet, but im so bad with them man

[ember yew]

who do the most strangest sht at times

[royal vortex]

with helbores u can crit bodyshot at least on the 3 and still do funny damage

[small heron]

I like lighting enemies on fire with a helbore. It just makes me smile. Even if it isn't 'optimal'

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/q1msvl

he just blasted

me n him were the bane of crushers

[ember yew]

stance + 2 crit blessing + rending from talents

zealot can do that faster tho

[coarse birch]

You can also use aim trainers

[north sedge]

Oh josho question, can you spend more money on crushers?

[royal vortex]

im saving up for crusher 2

[fiery ingot]

oh?

[coarse birch]

Wym saving up you have 80 billion plasteel

[royal vortex]

ORDOS

U FUCKER

U KNOW WHAT THE BOTTLENECK IS U HAVE PLAYED LONG ENOUGH

[coarse birch]

Yeah im blanking on the name

[north sedge]

I wonder what you could even do for another crusher mark

[coarse birch]

But theres a ton

[coarse birch]

🙂

[royal vortex]

i mean baseline u would differentiate the activate conditions i feel

[sterile stone]

Shoulda asked or inspected to see his build

[fiery ingot]

i didnt know about such a thing, gonna look it up at google

[sterile stone]

That’s kinda nuts

[fiery ingot]

ty

[royal vortex]

like crusher 2 should probs do something cool such as

keep ur place in the combo

like hammers

[north sedge]

I would laugh very hard if it was just old crusher

[royal vortex]

because then u can do cool stuff where instead of activations being something u wanna spam (there's another way to solve this but i like this idea for a second crusher)

it's like

u do a move to chain into the actual activated move u want for big damage

[royal vortex]

pls no

u could also have stuff like an uppercut or two in the actual moveset instead of push attack

[north sedge]

Make it the same except you do a cool kung fu pose whenever you kill a crusher

[royal vortex]

hell yeah

i actually want them to add in a stab

u just take this blunt object and fkin JAB it into this dude's forehead

oh man that would be sick if u could activate and STAB

the explosion just detonates the dude's head if he dies when u stab him

god i wish

[north sedge]

Nutshot

[sharp zodiac]

I like getting the hang of this game

[north sedge]

It's the only advantage paul has

[royal vortex]

u cant take that away from the paul

[north sedge]

I can and will!

[royal vortex]

sick bastard

[quaint verge]

Imagine the same combo, but reversed

[royal vortex]

i want them to get cool with the moveset if/when they add more crushers

[rough galleon]

Your wish is granted, carapace armoured ogryn with a different moveset

[royal vortex]

pog

[sharp zodiac]

When will the wish be delivered

[quaint verge]

A rolling crusher

[rough galleon]

Big carapace rager next patch

[sharp zodiac]

Woohoo

[rough galleon]

I've never told a lie

[fading vale]

I would cry if there were carapace ragers

[royal vortex]

just run crusher

[fading vale]

no

[royal vortex]

suffer

[sharp zodiac]

Just use revolver smh

Rager ogryn

Wait no that's just plague ogryn

[fading vale]

carapace covered bonbon

[signal prism]

A squad of carapace gunners

[rough galleon]

Bon but the head and pimple are covered in carapace and the rest is infested or something

[fading vale]

when are we gonna get a dog boss

[rough galleon]

When do we get chaos warrior superarmor poxwalkers

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/8qaddw

i love this weapon

[native cargo]

Nuh uh

[sharp zodiac]

Nuh uh

[rough galleon]

[fading vale]

Imagine how much easier this would have been with the old crusher smh

[royal vortex]

oh shit ur right

i couldve stood there and special l1 spammed

and waited for my teammates who are all fighting a beast of nurgle

[native cargo]

Nuh uh

[coarse birch]

Carapace ragers sound ass

[rough galleon]

That's why you kite the crushers to your team

[coarse birch]

Its just more intense stagger check lol

[royal vortex]

the scoreboard damage breakdown has taught me something

[fiery ingot]

ogryn ragers

[royal vortex]

i am not melee weakspotting enough

my average rate is like ~45% this is unacceptable

[coarse birch]

Really?

I feel like mines always high on accident

Maybe i just aim high

[royal vortex]

there are these fkin dueling sword psykers who get 10% more than me

but i think the problem is like

aiming chest height at hordes

more than anything

i gotta record a match and figure out what exactly im bodyshotting

cuz elites are generally headshottable but sometimes the stagger animations make them do weird stuff

[coarse birch]

Yeah theres a lot of animation jank

Esp when hitting multiple targets

[royal vortex]

that is something i also wonder about

how is it counting cleave

[meager turret]

I don’t feel like psykers are gonna be horde clearing with a dueling sword much so the percentage might be skewed

[visual stream]

At least it's not like trying to headshot with Kerillian greatsword

[north sedge]

Fingers and toes mostly

[royal vortex]

TRUE

[sharp zodiac]

TOES

[oak ermine]

And that’s part of the problem, no? Scoreboard will not tell you the entire story of how the Psyker got to higher WS rate than Josho

They might as well have made 10 swings and hit 9 on the head, which will obviously show a high WS rate overall, despite the low total amount of swings made

[royal vortex]

i am just super curious cuz like

my headshot rate is consistent on crusher for as long as ive recorded it i think

actually u know what ill go read more scoreboards

[meager turret]

I don’t really use scoreboard to compare DPS anyway

[royal vortex]

i hope my game doesnt crash trying to open this

[meager turret]

I mostly use it to see who’s vacuuming up all the ammo when our teammate’s on orange and why is the 4-charge medicae empty when I have a corrupted wound

[fading vale]

I don't always aim head height on hordes with hammer, just depends how much stuff is staggered or on the ground

or if there are maulers

[royal vortex]

yea ok so my average melee weakspot rate is about 45%

hmmm

[meager turret]

I was more thinking that the dueling sword would more often be reserved for elites and specials for more calculated swings than wiggling the thing on common mobs

[royal vortex]

lmao it jumps up by like 5% when i play ogryn

huh

[meager turret]

Taller

Hit head

[oak ermine]

That’s also a valid observation

[royal vortex]

i think my game is fucked i opened the scoreboard menu in character select and i tried to exit and its angry

oh man

[sharp zodiac]

You've angered the machine

[royal vortex]

just gonna alt f4 that

[oak ermine]

Don’t do that

That’s a soft lock

[royal vortex]

its science time

[oak ermine]

Every time. I did it one too many times

[royal vortex]

i hope the scoreboard instance in the psykh works the same as in a live match

[oak ermine]

I haven’t a clue, but I would assume it should work as expected

[royal vortex]

oh can u not open it in the psykh i swore u could

my science is ruined

[native cargo]

Nuh uh

Also dawn had that issue from like

Since the latest update?

[royal vortex]

woe

[sharp zodiac]

Rat be upon ye

[opal star]

since when did bombers no longer instabreak toughness

good change
https://tenor.com/view/i-wanna-go-to-the-moon-dont-leave-so-soon-don-toliver-kanye-west-ye-gif-10841983883013691937

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah

[north sedge]

For like...month and a half?

[sharp zodiac]

But just after it instantly broke your entire health

But it's fixed now

[opal star]

damn fr? I was gone longer than I thought it was

[meager turret]

That short period where flamers and bombers became top priority otherwise it’s instant death

[north sedge]

Fun times

[opal star]

they're still high priority because I just hate bombers

[meager turret]

Same

[opal star]

and I like flicking them with my revolver

[meager turret]

Good thing they’re fragile

[lime ember]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1038847766048288848/1197953641080967198/TwitVd.com_1705677555_1.gif

yup pretty fragile

[sharp zodiac]

Why does the psyker look like a bird

[lime ember]

Cute bird

Is it insane?

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah

[lime ember]

Amazing

[north sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/big-bird-sesame-street-yellow-beak-bird-gif-5513048

[rocky marsh]

first three look like "pose for your school photo"

[rocky marsh]

where to get that plushie? i have the exact birb on my tower

[royal vortex]

u will never beat

this

[lime ember]

[rocky marsh]

thats the zealot set though

the firs guy

[meager turret]

Do you think the candles zealots have are scented

[rocky marsh]

i think you could make up some bullshit about how that would be heresy

i feel like thats what people would reply.

[lime ember]

Ok I think I found it

[rocky marsh]

thanks dude

[lime ember]

I showed you where to get it didn't I?

[steel agate]

Extra salt is the 2nd sentence saying they don’t know when they’ll restock

[meager turret]

Or if it’ll restock

[lime ember]

One more issue

[meager turret]

Just go to Japan

[lime ember]

Fair

[exotic raft]

I really wish we could roll up to 100% in a stat

[north sedge]

All stats should cap at 0.5% i say

[coarse birch]

True

This the the player power nerf we need

But let it go down to 0.01 so that stat rolling is still ass

[north sedge]

Yea

Of course

[royal vortex]

just make every weapon have the crusher blessing selection

[north sedge]

But don't adjust the weapon at all so it doesn't work

[royal vortex]

hell yea

[north sedge]

Fan the hammerblow with the new revolver

[coarse birch]

I want nothing more than stagger on my suppressed revo with sway i cant ads

That sounds like fun enjoyable gameplay

Pinning on columnus brauto tho

[meager turret]

Impact blessings and pistol whipping sounds like a pretty fun combination

[royal vortex]

[sterile stone]

Ell do you just have a endless folder of ferret images

[royal vortex]

pinning fire needs to be executed as a blessing

[coarse birch]

Tbh blessings a whole could use a rework

[fleet zealot]

yes and no

i also stalk ferret social media

[coarse birch]

Its blessing #3000 that just buffs weapon for using weapon

[sterile stone]

And you steal the images

Like a ferret aswell

It’s all coming together

[meager turret]

I’d like weapons to have more unique blessings tied to them

[sterile stone]

Ell is a ferret in a trench coat

[fleet zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/komari-weasel-nonbiri-nonnonbiyori-gif-20661878

you know too much

[royal vortex]

i hate it

[sterile stone]

[royal vortex]

they have this braindead insistence on shit like hsword headtaker being better numerically

IF U WANT THE WEAPON TO PERFORM BETTER

JUST MAKE IT BETTER

[coarse birch]

Yeah im not sure why they wouldnt just make every weapon baseline good

And make blessings a playstyle thing

Rather than ok/ good weapons turning stupid

Because you throw 200% power for swinging it on it

[sterile stone]

A solid idea

I like where it’s going

But make it to where blessings have both pros and cons

Just to shake up build diversity

[royal vortex]

the p13 compromise was at least standardizing the numbers more except for shit like rampage

idk what the point of it being 36% power is

[meager turret]

I want some parry blessings for the devil claws

[sterile stone]

Parrying an attack knocks down all human sized enemies in a 180° radius

[coarse birch]

Stuff is standardized its just the blessing meta still feels pretty stale

Like

[sterile stone]

Imagine the possibilities

[coarse birch]

Im still taking slaughterer and shit

[coarse birch]

Power vs toughness is hardly even a choice on characters like ogryn cause all the toughness shit is just free in the tree anyway

[fleet zealot]

yee i like blessings that change how your weapons playstyle

like blazing spirit

[coarse birch]

Blazing is neat yeah

[fleet zealot]

or adhesive charge

[coarse birch]

Sadly doesnt do anything on swords tho

[royal vortex]

blazing spirit would be cool if they didnt absolutely ruin soulblaze as a psyker mechanic

all theyve done with it is give u a couple methods that apply it basically for free

and thats it

[fleet zealot]

if statstick blessings were gone

blazing would be a lot cooler, maybe even remove the flame cap

[coarse birch]

Yeah you don't need to take it anymore outside of trauma

[sterile stone]

Blessings that change ammo type to counter certain armor types would be interesting imo

Instead of the same old

Flak/maniac

[coarse birch]

Tbf rending slightly invalidates that atm

[royal vortex]

psyker in general has the problem of like the entire fkin tree is passive

[coarse birch]

But rending also needs a change

[royal vortex]

i think blaze trauma is the only "alternative" soulblaze playstyle

[coarse birch]

This is why i run scriers/dd tbh

[royal vortex]

everything else is like here's perilous combustion

[coarse birch]

Feels more deliberate

[royal vortex]

or u take psykinetic aura and run shriek

and u just burn ppl for free

oh boy this is so fun

[sterile stone]

To be fair a complete combat overhaul is a large but much needed undertaking

Cause like said before

The meta hasn’t changed hardly at all blessing and perk wise

[royal vortex]

like ur not earning anything with soulblaze

im not really trying

and it's not like soulblaze is being used as a means to an end with like some other mechanical interaction

nothing will like consume a soulblaze stack to do x thing

[coarse birch]

Thats also a side affect of stuff scaling with enemy density/elites

And neither of those things being rare

Nor hard to deal with

[royal vortex]

https://streamable.com/1hkk4a

"what is my purpose"
"ur one of 7 names in a killfeed screenshot"

[ripe quest]

If they just removed all of the +power blessings they could buff the shit out of weapons if that's their balancing fancy. Slaught gets replaced with a buffed horde clear combo and HT gets replaced with better overheads. Some womp womp bs that'll give them an easier time balancing stuff because they absolutely need to balance stuff.

[sterile stone]

Meta slave

Disgusting

[royal vortex]

how am i meta slaving

[sterile stone]

Colmnus

[royal vortex]

this is the brauto that ppl call bad now

thats a braced autogun

u sponge

[sterile stone]

Dude

[royal vortex]

the iag is the meta one

[sterile stone]

I will literally kick you in the back

And take your pierogi

[royal vortex]

actual fish

[coarse birch]

Josho

[sterile stone]

I’m being harassed online

[royal vortex]

well this is the other can of worms

[sterile stone]

Police

[royal vortex]

where like

[coarse birch]

I use the brauto

[royal vortex]

they need to standardize attack profiles

[coarse birch]

Its broken 🤨

[ripe quest]

Flamer + Column Brauto Fury spam = dead mixed horde

[royal vortex]

u cant tell me columnus brauto is broken

im sorry

i refuse

[ripe quest]

2 flamers actually

[coarse birch]

Nah its def overtuned

I have never been like

Man this brauto cant do this thing

[royal vortex]

play without a surv vet

[coarse birch]

Esp when you can chastise

[royal vortex]

u will just not be able to always shoot unless ppl feed u ammo

[ripe quest]

I mean you did bring a fair point of it pairing well with Fury, after a good bit of testing it's solid at that at least.

[royal vortex]

and if ur getting fed ammo u do it on any gun

if survivalist didn't exist

the gun is completely fine

[sterile stone]

Literally asking to get kicked from the team with this comment

[coarse birch]

Tbf you also dont need to be able to always shoot on zel

[fleet zealot]

the onyl way to fix survivalist is to remove it

[ripe quest]

Graia can be better but it doesn't have the same consistency.

[fleet zealot]

or give every class some form of ammo regen besides psyker, and even then you could prob give psyker warp ammo or soemthing

[royal vortex]

90% of the time im shooting i chastise unless it's to kill specials

zealot already has ammo regen its called the BLADES OF FAITH

https://streamable.com/loxhjm

[coarse birch]

Maybe i just want things to be bad

Tbf i also take knives

So like

[royal vortex]

i mean unironically

[coarse birch]

I use less ammo anyway

[royal vortex]

it's just not getting the same dps as an iag

if u hit heads or crit

it has terrible finesse

[coarse birch]

Oh for sure

Its not iag

[royal vortex]

so ur always brute forcing ur way with like attack speed and stuff

the problem is

surv vet means u literally don't spend ammo chastising into an elite patrol

like u just do it for free

if u can't do that for free it actually becomes a gun u have to think about when to use

[coarse birch]

Surv is its own balancing issue

That immediately skews everything

[sterile stone]

Sweks

[royal vortex]

like w/o the ammo buffs in p14 a brauto would be completely outclassed by an iag

[onyx solar]

surv kinda just eliminates ammo management as a mechanic

[ripe quest]

That's what I'm thinking yeah. Something that would tie into it well is any way at all that would lead to control over getting equalized base stats. If they do the modular weapon system and tie stats to those parts, just add a way to upgrade that part until it maxes out. If they want to be boring do the community requested thing and make diamantine up stats.

[royal vortex]

u can always make the case that game's too easy™️

but columnus brauto is certainly not the leading example of it

[sterile stone]

Surv is what makes pubs tolerable when the only aurics open are glue drinkers mag dumping into a dead pox Walker

That and field provision