zealot-class

[copper hawk]

Shouldnt u have some TRASH EATING 2 do

Cuz ur a RAT

STIMKY!

[native cargo]

gay cat

I am of refined taste

I dumpster dive at wendy's not mcdonald's

smh

[copper hawk]

Ill explode u

W my.minde.

[native cargo]

I'

I'm superior

[sharp zodiac]

Rat after drinking every fuckinf bottle in my house

[native cargo]

yuh

[copper hawk]

noh ur no

i'm gonna drink 2night,

[native cargo]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1095567545752363068/1184352888856772698/163.gif

[copper hawk]

fack u. binch

[native cargo]

nuh uh

[copper hawk]

yuh huh

https://fxtwitter.com/BUNKlNS/status/1746977471851848188

does this 2 u

(im a slime)

[native cargo]

laughs at you through slime

[cunning saffron]

What level do I get the thunder hammer?

[rocky marsh]

you can check that at brunt's

did the CM or devs ever directly respond to this?

[open bramble]

So, I tried out the spidey sense mod, and it's cheaty as fuck, but I also didn't realize how truly fucked the audio in this game is

The mod would be visually tracking bursters and trappers, but they would be generating almost no audio (or it wouldn't be positionally correct) until they got into some bullshit spot lol

[meager turret]

Watching a burster I tagged run up to the team making absolutely no noise whatsoever

[steep igloo]

That shit is new though, I don't remember that happening a couple of patches ago

[copper hawk]

Yah it's awful

Honestly might get that mod that highlights enemi3s

Like of they target u/spawn

Just cuz of the constant, prolific, and egregiously consistent sound issues w enemies

[idle gyro]

dont know what they messed up with that cause it used to be good

[copper hawk]

Yah

Wuz gonna zay

Maulerz and Crusherz used 2 be rlly sneaky

Then they made them louder

And u can hear them almost always b4 u see them

But everythin feelz quieter

Idk

Mby theu changed frequency of voicelinez?

[steep igloo]

I don't remember ever getting banged by poxbursters before the sound got so fucked, it's the only thing other than director spawning 20 crushers and 30 ragers after an elevator that feels truly frustrating and unfair in this game

[copper hawk]

I know the engine gives up and wont play voice ques/lines dependin on how many are currently bein played

[idle gyro]

giant packs from the beloved narrator while crossing a bridge or a catwalk

[sharp zodiac]

With a side of bullet sponge the boss

Or the evil nutsack

[copper hawk]

evil nutsack

[autumn fern]

guys what does impact ?

is it like stagger ?

[vast basin]

Yes

[autumn fern]

should i change to t4 shock and awe ?

dont have yet slaughter or headtaker

[hollow mantle]

Shock and awe is terrible

You're probably better off with hammerblow until you get something else

[coarse birch]

You can put slaught/headtaker on it

If you add slaught/headtaker over shock and unyielding over elites your hammer is pretty much perfect

Minus no thrust 4

Ft is a little low too ig but shouldnt be a dealbreaker

[fleet zealot]

Here in my car

(I dont have a license)

[copper hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/fox-smile-sparkle-emoji-gif-8091078

[sharp zodiac]

I can't feel my fingers

[south folio]

what the

[sharp zodiac]

Had to shovel my friends walkway for him

Because he got into an accident and couldn't do it himself so he called me over

[copper hawk]

u could've just ate the snow

..

[left iron]

Can you do my walkway as well

[native cargo]

just get a lighter and melt the snow

[proper dawn]

Just blow on the snow very hard. Should do the trick.

[coarse birch]

Did you wear gloves

[sharp zodiac]

No

They're warm now after pouring hot water on them

[coarse birch]

Why 😭

[sharp zodiac]

Didn't feel like it

[proper dawn]

Stick them in the oven.

Optimal way of warming your fingies.

[coarse birch]

Simply put them on the stove

That easy

[sharp zodiac]

I'd rather listen to the oven idea

Don't wanna cook em like last time

[coarse birch]

Did you cook your fingers last time

[proper dawn]

Yeah, at least they’d be toasty and not…not there anymore.

[sharp zodiac]

Almost

It all started on

I'm not telling how it happened

[coarse birch]

How do you cook your fingers

Nvm

[sharp zodiac]

I SAID

Do not incur the wrath of the 10 fingers

[keen silo]

is there a mod that fixes the long waiting time at the end of a mission
i cant press space to continue

[fading vale]

that bug has been around for a while

[keen silo]

no fix?

its like rubbing salt on the wound when i fail a mission and im stuck looking at "you have failed the emperor"

im like "let me go already"

[fading vale]

not afaik

[keen silo]

can i just leave the perks as is, and just swap the blessings?
im sick of rolling for perfect weapon

[fading vale]

you can swap thunderous to thrust and leave headtaker

[keen silo]

i kinda wanted IV blessings

[fading vale]

and swap crit to unyielding

[vast basin]

You could leave cara, swap Crit and thunderous

[keen silo]

aight

[fading vale]

T4 headtaker isn't much different

[keen silo]

i mean t4 slaughtere and t4 thrust

[fading vale]

You could

[hushed knoll]

Hello Laz Chan

[fading vale]

Hi stan

[hushed knoll]

What’s Gucci

[vast basin]

Yeah I mean you could swap those in but having Crit chance perk is suboptimal

[fading vale]

just iced in

[keen silo]

right

[fading vale]

getting down to -5 degrees tonight and the roads have like an inch of ice on them

[hidden verge]

chain axe seems like a single target weapon with big damage?

[fleet zealot]

chain axe is a multipurpose tool

the unrev'd horizontal attacks for horde clear/groups, and the rev'd attacks for single target

[north sedge]

Has the highest dmg against armor

[hidden verge]

i'm using orestes, seems like it don't have horizontal swing? only diagonal heavy

I mean the mk4

[fleet zealot]

mk4 heavies are the horde clear yes

they aren't completely horizontal

wish bobby a happy birthday

[hidden verge]

which one is better between mk4 and 12?

[frozen ibex]

Always say thank you to your teammates for allowing you to run around getting top damage without getting downed once or use any med station charge
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1196793374997495839/image.png?ex=65b8ebaf&is=65a676af&hm=0097b09cc72b87122935e85393b5bc5f55bc66590fc55b8bdaff041f04062cc1&

[fleet zealot]

mk4 has better/stronger horde clear while mk12 is good for it's reliable, overhead rev'd heavies for single target

both are completely viable but i prefer mk4 since with punishment talent, it can handle a pack of ragers with just unrev'd heavy spam

[hidden verge]

thanks, guess I'll try making a mk4

rager are always a problem for me when 20 of them show up...

is this salvageable if I replace momentum with rampage? 😓

it was nice until hadron touched...

[open pollen]

Hadron ruining Brunt's hard work yet again

(Still hoping we get some Hadron/Brunt comms interactions in the future. I want to hear what our Ogryn Quartermaster has to say about the situation on Atoma)

I imagine they must have an interesting relationship.

[hushed knoll]

Stay warm

[deep imp]

Hey guys, are some blessings more difficult to obtain than others?

I buy a lot of weapons and upgrade them, hoping to get that blessing, but after thirty or so upgrades I still don't have it.

[north sedge]

Yes but also hammer has like 672 blessings which makes it even harder

[deep imp]

thanks

Wish me good luck so

Finally

[north sedge]

🫡

[cunning saffron]

What is a good thunder hammer horde clearing build?

[empty quarry]

Anything eats the horde.

[north sedge]

🤔

Hammer is single target focus, though ironhelm will do horde a bit better with special cleave

[shy river]

There's a good amount of damage bonuses you can stack on the crucis thammer to make the heavy swings pretty good for horde clear, tho you do gotta dance a bit to not get hit between the swings

[wanton sonnet]

That’s a lot of hammer

[empty quarry]

It feels like it flings mobs around almost as much as the ogryn shield.

[small heron]

Crusher flings best though.

[coarse birch]

I thought all blessings had equal chance

But rng could just fuck you and never give you what you want

Since some blessing pools are large

[open pollen]

Poxhounds might be bad dogs but they're still good bois.

[fleet zealot]

once you have rising conviction, disdian, and slaughterer stacked up it does a doable job

sure it isn't a heavy sword but it is honset work

[coarse birch]

Crusher kills hordes well once skullcrusher/trauma or hammerblow gets going

[wraith heath]

-join
-post image
-never come back or interact with server ever again

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/toilet-paper-slot-machine-las-vegas-quarantine-casino-gif-16785818

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/474859644494544898/1196881399848902706/image.png?ex=65b93daa&is=65a6c8aa&hm=d0623b677835a8d580824b7daad173da105662b6fcc2ca73af306072cd26f7c4&

welp, gonna rofl around with that later

[quartz silo]

What blessings do I want on the new evis?

[ember yew]

Rampage + Shred for general use

[spare dome]

I'm still on team Rampage Wrath

But I'm also too lazy to craft a new one.

Either way my logic is ensuring Rampage can almost always stay procced and Wrath does that for you.

[north sedge]

🤔

[spare dome]

Shred is a marginal DPS increase unless you're running the crit cdr node. In which case it's quite silly.

[ember yew]

MK15 is much easier to proc Savage Sweep, so on that one its better than Wrath

• slow attack speed does not help to proc Wrath faster.
  Something like MK13 can stack Wrath super fast

[fleet zealot]

Neither is good

[ember yew]

fact

[fleet zealot]

Mk15 lights have a damage cap of 4 units

Which they hit on horde anyways, without cleave

The only good cleave blessing funnily enough perfect strike which helps it cleave into armor

[indigo quartz]

perfect strike + shred MK15 is

very good

the best feeling in the world is cleaving through 4 maulers/crushers back to back to back with 80% crit chance

[quartz silo]

Where roughly is the cdr node?

[spare dome]

above blazing peity, bottom left

[north sedge]

🤔

[quartz silo]

I’m going to go perfect strike shred probably since I one shot non specialist anyway based enemy

Plus my best roll has perfect strike already with good perks

[ripe quest]

Shred on it's own can vary from a 10-20% average damage increase on its own. It falls off a bit with cleave but not by a huge amount.

[quartz silo]

What guns do people run? I’m ngl I never use my gun on zealot so I’ve never even bothered looking into it. Rn I just run a mk7 headhunter to shoot ranged guys that are too distant to swing at

Might just roll a bunch till I get a decent dps of it since I don’t think it makes much a difference if I’m running the mk15 evis

[coarse birch]

I like columnus brauto

But any brauto works really

Laspistol is a solid option, kant shotgun is very good

[light holly]

Agrinapinna is pretty alright too

Braced

[violet hornet]

I only really use flamer, agrip brauto, and zarona revolver

Trying to learn Columnus iag but I am ass with it comparatively

For me at least Flamer is for pairing with melee that sucks vs hordes, zarona is for pairing with melee that sucks vs carapace, and brauto is for anything else

[minor sage]

colum doesnt have as good synergy with zea

zea just doesn't have reliable ways to get the crit

fury is consistent melee crit, but rather inconsistent ranged crit

[rocky marsh]

wait really
I just keep seeing chsword/evis + column on pub zealots

[violet hornet]

Does columnus need crit for damage output? I had no idea

Definitely explains a lot

[mystic ether]

Not really no

[minor sage]

colum has a 2-2.5X finesse multi

base damage is like 100, crit/ws dmg is like 280

or something

[mystic ether]

Most of the time, people just take damage tamping blessings. If you have some amount of crit in the first place the columnus will just piss it out for you

Doubling down on crit build skeletons is what I've usually seen for people doing crit but I wouldn't say it's necessary at all.

[rocky marsh]

wait that just means its just an extra 30 damage from 250 for having crit no
but yeah its per shot

[north sedge]

it still works

[mystic ether]

Idk what people take to juice its crit potential though

[rocky marsh]

also does column have crit strings? not sure how guns work in darktide

[mystic ether]

Crit strings?

[minor sage]

no it goes from 100 to 250-280 lol

[ripe quest]

IAG, Brauto, Kant and Lawby Shotguns (Agri is fine but needs a specific build), Flamer, Zarona Revolver, Mk II Laspistol.

[drifting wolf]

hold m1 hipfire, we ball

[minor sage]

yes it has a 4 string

[rocky marsh]

ah, i thought finese jsut means weakspot, my bad

[minor sage]

that's why it's so fucking disgusting on vet/psyker

[quartz silo]

Again I’m mostly just looking for something to shoot gunners I can’t close distance on. Flamer seems a bit redundant on a mk15 build

[mystic ether]

What yall talking about with strings?

[minor sage]

bro if you have no clue how the game works

why do you talk so confidently LOL

[plucky sparrow]

The amount of bullets that will crit if one crits

[rocky marsh]

wait how do i sound confident

[minor sage]

colum has a 4 string, which you can easily force with deadshot on vet

or psyker with trueaim

[minor sage]

no talking to kery

[mystic ether]

I don't need the math to tear up a lobby so that answers that

I just want to know what was talked about
You answered thanjs.

[rocky marsh]

if 1 bullet crit, subsequent number of bullet crits

[drifting wolf]

zarona mk IIa revolver usually dominates that department but i'm sure there's a couple alternatives

[mystic ether]

Dope

[minor sage]

non-crit ciag shouldn't be tearing up lobbies lol

I'd like to see that

[mystic ether]

Don't care about what you think. I know I what I do

[minor sage]

kek

[solar gorge]

laspistol and it's ridiculous crit stat is actually very good to do just that

[mystic ether]

Plus this is a fucking game, the hell I'm proving shit to you for?

[minor sage]

i mean mathematically your claims don't make sense

but you do you

lmao

[quartz silo]

Got recommendations for what blessings and perks I’d want on it considering it’s purpose will be gunners and reapers?

[mystic ether]

Mathematically I literally never cared. And I still play well at aurics with every class I actually enjoy.

I just wanted to know something simple.

[ripe quest]

It's got some high numbers by default. A non-crit build can perform fine.

[quartz silo]

I’ll maybe roll some of the single shot headhunter I was using. It’s real nice not needing to ever grab ammo because it seems to stock so much

[rocky marsh]

assuming zarona is the original volvo,
just surgical and hand cannon

[ripe quest]

Columnus IAG is just kinda potent in general, moreso with crits.

[mystic ether]

Literally.

[minor sage]

i think the numbers are pretty average without crit

we can compare it to brauto numbers or shredder numbers for example

it's really the 2.5x crit multiplier with 4string

that pushes it over the top

[rocky marsh]

dis how much on weakspot hit without crit?

[mystic ether]

Are these strings or whatever happening at specific points in a magazine or just sort off the Salvo logic?

[ripe quest]

I have, Columnus is higher base DPS than the Brautos and Shredder. Graia Brauto comes closest with it's braced fire.

Really high totals too.

[minor sage]

whenever you crit you crit 4 times

that's how a crit string works

[quartz silo]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-simpson-nerd-yelling-insult-gif-7884166

[mystic ether]

Mhm.

[quartz silo]

I’m going to leave the number people to it. I just use gun and get blessings I’m told are good

[minor sage]

I'm a bit busy rn so I'll check later but i'm pretty sure a non-crit colum is not super impressive numerically lol

I remember doing this analysis

[drifting wolf]

the usual for most weapons is flak/maniac for perks, you can probably get away with elites instead of maniac on the revolver

[minor sage]

if you're going to go non-crit, iirc the other iags are better statted

[quartz silo]

Are the las-gunners flak?

[ripe quest]

I did it recently for all of Zealot's ranged weapons, was curious myself. It has really high base statistics, it being a finesse weapon will push it and other IAGs further too.

[rocky marsh]

i feel flak+maniac if you want to one tap gunners, else cara + maniac

[heavy arch]

zealot chat has a high amount of mathlords so you always gotta back up claims here with actual data and not “it works for me”

[minor sage]

well iirc the other iags have pretty good finesse values as well

they just don't have better crit strings

i believe graia is 3

and agri is 2

[rocky marsh]

volvo should have a 5 crit string

[ripe quest]

They all have the same finesse values from what I understand.

[minor sage]

ye, so in that case

agri or graia should be better on zealot

mathematically, since you dont have true aim or deadshot

like vet/psyker

[ripe quest]

Agri has better per shot damage, comes a bit close to the DPS but has worse totals.

[mystic ether]

To this day I've never given a damn about the math unless there's some kind of wall I'm failing to bull through. Aside from that, I do just fine to absolutely well long before I understand how shit calcs together.

[drifting wolf]

i think the majority of scab units use flak armor, so probably

[heavy arch]

I understand that sentiment but there’s also knowing your audience

[minor sage]

I mean the thing is that the game is easy enough that anybody can say "this works for me" for any weapon in the game lol

[heavy arch]

here people come for solid info

[minor sage]

so I think we should be providing actual valid info

[heavy arch]

yeah no worries dis

[mystic ether]

I encourage diving in. I can have simple answers for simple questions.

[ripe quest]

Graia is just kinda Columnus but like, QoL? Better ranged damage falloff and better running hipfire accuracy but is just kinda a Columnus that's worse.

[minor sage]

like ie: the thammer debate, tell ppl what crucis and ironhelm do; rather than just say "THIS IS BETTER BECAUSE I SAY SO"

[heavy arch]

No I’m all for hard numbers

[minor sage]

right, but only worse if you're critting

due to the worse crit strings

if you're not critting, it should be much closer

in comparison

[ripe quest]

Yeah, Graia is just worse by default

[minor sage]

and I wouldn't discount the handling

[ripe quest]

Same damage, lower firerate. Worse ammo.

[minor sage]

have you ever tried to kill far reapers/gunners/snipers

with a colum

it's doable

but not the best

[mystic ether]

Takes 40 years sometimes but doable

[ripe quest]

Columnus distinctly has the worst damage falloff of the IAGs and Brautos yeah.

It starts at 15 meters though so like 🤷

[minor sage]

but ya either way I actually think maybe an agri/graia

with raking

and stealth loner zealot

is the way to go

and just fuck crit

you get ranged attackspeed from momentum too

[ripe quest]

The Columnus isn't suddenly going to get worse because of a different build environment.

[minor sage]

well that's the thing right?

if you're not getting as much dmg out of it since you're not critting

[ripe quest]

They all have the same finesse values.

[minor sage]

might as well use a gun that has better handling

[ripe quest]

If you put them together in the same environment the Columnus is still the best base dps

that isn't going to change

[minor sage]

hmm how the fuck do i explain this

you're not understanding the point i'm trying to make

[ripe quest]

Agri distinctly has better per shot damage, Graia is the exact same but lower firerate.

[minor sage]

ok let's say you have a food that's 10/10, and another food that's 7/10 but it's comfort food so you enjoy eating it more

most of the time you'll go with the 10/10 because it's just too far beyond the other one right?

but if we put the 10/10 in a situation where it becomes an 8/10

[twilit blade]

Ok so, what do you guys think of this node?

[minor sage]

there is a possibility that you may pick a 7/10 over the 8/10 for whatever reason

if you want the comfort food, etc

that's what I'm saying

[ripe quest]

It's not often worth the point, it's ok though.

[heavy arch]

Isn’t that why the other IAGs and brauto are generally accepted

[fading vale]

bad

[twilit blade]

I kinda like the idea of having it since I can't get to second wind and it should be decent for non kill toughness regen

I would probably take good balance instead of it if I swapped it

[minor sage]

yes ppl overvalue dps and undervalue stuff like falloff and handling

[ripe quest]

I don't understand then, why would you say an Agri or Graia with a Raking Stealth Loner setup would be better? Would that not play into the strengths of the Columnus?

[heavy arch]

Columnus reigns king for outright dmg but the other iag and brauto are still recommended

[mystic ether]

I'm usually not taking a lot of toughness Gen in my builds the last week or so. It's fine in a mid kind of way.

[minor sage]

because zealot doesnt have the crit nodes to play into the strength of the colum

[fading vale]

I just don't think it meaningfully triggers enough

[twilit blade]

Yeah that makes sense

[mystic ether]

You gotta bust your ass a little for it to spin "better"

[fading vale]

piety?

[minor sage]

so i'm suggesting to just trade off the crit attributes for a gun with better handling

[ripe quest]

Ok you need to elaborate, in what world do crits play into the strength of the Columnus when the stength of the Columnus is also just better base DPS and Totals

[minor sage]

piety imo is consistent crit for melee, but not so consistent for ranged

from my exp

[ripe quest]

It's a better weapon by default that gets even better with crits

[fading vale]

it is when crit chains exist on a fast weapon.

[ripe quest]

The agri would be better for longer engagements or run & gunning

[minor sage]

it's down about 20-40% of the time for shooting

which is unacceptable

[fading vale]

what

[rocky marsh]

dumb question column is the only rifle looking weapon that doesn't shoot lasers for zealot right

[fading vale]

how tf would you ever lose piety

[minor sage]

you dont lose it

you enter a room

and there's 20 gunners

[heavy arch]

Graia and aggrappina as well

[minor sage]

bam your piety isnt stacked up

[humble drum]

is this chainsword good or should i get a different one

[mystic ether]

You got the gun famines bole mentioned.

Families.

[minor sage]

between waves, piety drops

[ripe quest]

All three Infantry Autoguns. The Braced Autos too but they're a bit different.

[mystic ether]

Famines..?

[rocky marsh]

then is it only column where you aim the stomach area and it shoots at the head level?

[heavy arch]

You fucked it

[minor sage]

bam now you dont have it for when you need to kill specials

[ripe quest]

I'

[humble drum]

oh

[fading vale]

uh it's impossible not to have max piety stacks unless it's like an elevator

[spare dome]

it is pretty cray that piety drops one stack at a time

[minor sage]

I mean I've tested this pretty extensively with the fanvolver

[ripe quest]

I'm still beyond lost in how the Columnus seemingly requires a crit setup to make it good in your eyes

[minor sage]

it's down a lot more often

[spare dome]

also what even is the point of the toughness regen peity node lmao

[minor sage]

than i would like

[heavy arch]

Dmg target cap of 4 so wrath won’t help you. Better off rampage / bloodthirsty

[fading vale]

it's never down maybe with how you play idk

[ripe quest]

the 2% extra toughness on any kill

[minor sage]

ye maybe

but i suggest you try it out

with a crit gun

like colum or fanvolver

and see how often it's down

when you need it

[humble drum]

thanks

[rocky marsh]

because i swear i saw alot of zealot use this weapon where they shoot at the crotch area and it goes to the head
if its only column then that makes sense. else i learn something new.

[minor sage]

it's down a lot more often that I wanted

[mystic ether]

You talking about going full auto and controlling the recoil yeah?

[minor sage]

during my games

[fading vale]

I ran it with a laspistol

[rocky marsh]

yeah

[fading vale]

never ran out of piety other than waiting rooms

[ripe quest]

I ran it with a Lawbringer that shit was never down when I needed it.

[heavy arch]

Yeah aggri iag you pop headshots, graia idk never use it

[mystic ether]

Unsure about how the burst fire ones work but everything else that's full auto doesn't go into ironsights, it just stays as the same reticle. Tighter spread iirc.

[humble drum]

is bloodletter any good?

[heavy arch]

Nope!

with the evis 15 you’re 1-2 shotting everything you see with special heavy so dot dmg unnecessary

[humble drum]

this one any better?

[rocky marsh]

im coming back to zealot soon so im starting to ask questions xD
voidstrike psyker getting repetitive, im rolling for a decent caxe

[minor sage]

i think laspistol performs fine whether it's up or down no? it has like 35% base crit

try it with a weapon that you really feel the crits on

like colum or fan revolver

and lmk how that feels

[fading vale]

fanvolver felt shit cause it's shit so

[ripe quest]

But I gotta like, loop back here Dis. Columnus is the best IAG for engagements within ~20 or so meters for DPS and totals. Agri will be better for per shot damage and better ranged damage falloff at the cost of only being a bit worse at said DPS and totals. Also weirdly supports Run & Gunning. Crits and blah blah blah it'll make the Columnus better but it's still a really potent weapon without them.

[heavy arch]

I’d use that over your other one but the perks need to be fixed too. Ideally you want rampage + shred or rampage +bloodthirsty, +carapace/elite or +carapace/maniac

[fading vale]

but I had max piety

[heavy arch]

Don’t rly need maniac but it’s nice 1 shotting mutants even if you don’t hit them in the face

[ripe quest]

Out of the three to run a crit setup on it'd probs be the Columnus, but like I said initially it can pull fine numbers without a crit build.

It's literally SAP 2.0 rn

[humble drum]

thanks for the help, just ran out of plasteel

[rocky marsh]

become a plasteel farmer

embrace auric damnation

[humble drum]

i had 7k

[rocky marsh]

wow
i never had more than 1k (other than after finishing levelling a char to 30)

[last fjord]

what should I change ?

[rocky marsh]

i think levelling from 0-30 gave me about 30k plasteel if i remember correctly

that sounds like alot actually

[minor sage]

ye agree it's def still good. think agri overall will be better for non-crit but either way the iag weapon type is good

i've been blasting with deadshot colum recently

pretty consistent 800k games because it just does so much damage

someone who is better than me can prob break 1mil

[ember yew]

being a momentum guy

AG8 brauto really bad influence on me

i need to stop

but i cant

my ranged is x2 more than my melee

[ripe quest]

This would heavily depend on preference, if I'm using an IAG for elites I'd much prefer a Columnus, for shooters probably an Agri. At least on Zealot the range it covers is more than enough + it synergizes with Fury better. Personally I'd use a Graia Brauto as of late for it since the numbers it pulls are sometimes.

[minor sage]

ye

[rocky marsh]

wh ich one are you

[minor sage]

the problem i have with fury

[ember yew]

1st

[rocky marsh]

i think you could switch over to vet 🐭

[minor sage]

is that there are 2 situations when I would really want the crit, that it isn't readily available

1. When you first enter a room and there's 20 gunners
2. When you first enter a room and there's 12 ragers, 6 maulers and 4 crushers

[ember yew]

it wasnt like that before i started using

this thing

[minor sage]

in those circumstances piety isn't up and it's pretty rough lol

[ripe quest]

It's got a short cooldown wdym

[minor sage]

that's why to me, piety is consistent melee crit and inconsistent ranged crit

[polar nexus]

You go either hand Cannon + surgical but you have to keep those perks... Or you do hand Cannon or surgical + point blank and change +2 Stam to maniac

Better use in a piety build to milk those crits

[ripe quest]

If you're running BP too you get crit CDR and Fury is off cooldown like 90% of the time

Only downside is it doesn't cover ranged crits iirc

but armor downgrade n whatnot

[ornate bone]

Piety knife users

[polar nexus]

No CDR with cavalcade I assume

[ripe quest]

Yeah ranged crits don't proc the crit CDR.

[rocky marsh]

i never understood how to use knife
against horde do yo ujust light attack spam? but that doesn't seem to horde clear

oh yeah exhil since you are online, usually for mommentum at how many stacks do you get?

[ripe quest]

You generally don't horde clear with knife, if you do it's with the assistance of a Flamer or Kant fire round.

[rocky marsh]

sorry for the english

im sure you know what i mean

[north sedge]

nah dawg my ultra bleed knife 9000 decimates hordes omg

[ripe quest]

Usually when I'm running it it goes anywhere from 15-20, if I'm brainoff it'll stoop lower since I'm not dodging as much.

[ornate bone]

I do hordes with knife

[rocky marsh]

ah, i find it kind of weird as zealot to not be able to horde clear with my melee weapon
Does knife decimate like crushers or ragers?

[ornate bone]

Not the extent of a heavy sword or eviscerator, of course, but knife still deals good damage and as long as I'm one-hitting the poxwalkers I'm happy

[minor sage]

knife is pretty good against crushers, and acceptable/ok against ragers

easier to just shoot the ragers tbh

[ripe quest]

It has good single target, with Uncanny and a damage blessing it'll 1-2 shot most elites.

[rocky marsh]

so its like the melee version of volvo?

[ripe quest]

With ragers they're annoying in clumps since you have to like, run into them and then backpedal each one

[naive star]

throwing knives are so useless feeling on knife zealot

[minor sage]

throwing knives are gr8

[ripe quest]

Kinda ig, knife will hit for higher damage.

[minor sage]

might be skissue

[naive star]

i need to figure out a way to include flame nades instead for emergencies

[polar nexus]

You horde clear with your brauto and you zoom with your knife to get the ammo. Zealothug life.

[ripe quest]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/469616390488326145/1089995639485636689/IMG_5751.gif

[drifting wolf]

there's an option in settings that keeps the recticle dot active, makes hitting with throwing knives a bit easier

[open pollen]

@ripe quest You were working on a comprehensive zealot guide right?

[naive star]

Dis well ranged weapon does mostly the same as throwing knives, meanwhile grenades give solutions to really hairy situations

Knives dont do a thing when 5 armored Ogryn rush you in corner

[polar nexus]

Except you get the benefit of the blessings on your knife... Like ucanny

[rocky marsh]

please include how to hit 15 stacks on mommentum
I play naturally ( which includes dodging) and i never hit 15 when im fighting

[minor sage]

throwing knives give you the benefit of 2-4 extra skillpoints

which no ranged weapon can replicate 😛

[ripe quest]

I wouldn't call if comprehensive, just general stuff and links to other docs that are relevant.

[naive star]

True thats the best part about em really

[drifting wolf]

so true

[rocky marsh]

wait exhil do you have a full length video of you using mommentum?

[open pollen]

Ah, I was also working on a guide and would like to compare, would it be alright if I DM you?

[ripe quest]

No I don't record full runs.

[rocky marsh]

then maybe a fight?

against horde

or mixed horde

[ripe quest]

If I run a Judgement build today I'll clip something.

[ripe quest]

Sure go ahead.

[rocky marsh]

i just want to see how people get to 15 stacks while fighting

[open echo]

would this work for caxe?

[ripe quest]

Yeah

[drifting wolf]

byeah

[open echo]

or should i try grab duellist?

[open pollen]

Awesome. Just sent you a friend request. I am glad someone else is working on a guide because, while I enjoy writing, I don't have the technical chops, so tis probably rife with bad takes. I think I even say a few things that are like, 100% incorrect.

[ripe quest]

You could yeah, probs the +Attack Speed.

[open echo]

i'm using the antax btw

[fleet zealot]

Yall better be praying

To the god emperor

[ripe quest]

mm yeah the Antax is pretty much carbon copy but with a better PA and worse finesse values compared to a Rashad. I don't think it's ever a huge difference but it can add up.

[rocky marsh]

is immonades actually worth the +attack speed compared to jsut take stunstorm nades?

[open echo]

need to gamble on this

[open echo]

yeah, brunt really doesn't want to give me a good rashad

[open pollen]

I had a bad rashad once. It cleared up with some medicade.

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/god-pray-jesus-christ-sign-of-the-cross-god-bless-you-gif-16384246

[ripe quest]

Fire grenades are good yeah. You get the same number of points either way.

[rocky marsh]

could do this which seems far more comfortable, but no immo nades

[open echo]

i bet it will end up like this

[ember yew]

[ripe quest]

This build drops Second Wind.

[last fjord]

Ok ty I will see

[polar nexus]

You can cancel slow equip animation, it helps with ammo economy and with ranged weapon having surgical you have the equivalent of a 10 bullets revolver

[rocky marsh]

yeah but now you have vicious offering alongside good balance

doesn't compare to second wind? (legit asking)

[open echo]

i refuse to use stuns

never

not fun

[rocky marsh]

thats fine im asking for my own sake xD

[polar nexus]

Second wind is s tier

It's toughness on demand when you need it

Just by playing the game

[open echo]

i cannot not use the vox caster anymore, it makes any outfit look much better

[open pollen]

Is that the radio guy backpack?

I love that one

[ripe quest]

It's a different vibe for sure.

[open pollen]

Helps that I find every other backpack cosmetic blah

[open echo]

same

[open pollen]

Yeah, that's the one

[naive star]

Ok guess i need to switch to revolver instead of brauto

[rocky marsh]

with caxe, into horde do you light spam, or heavy spam

[open pollen]

You know, if they had custom voicelines/sfx for certain cosmetics that'd be quite a draw for me. Not like, personality voicelines, but like actual vox comms coming through the caster. I know they have filters for some masks, which is cool, so I don't think it'd be too hard a flex to add sfx to other cosmetics

[rocky marsh]

or some combo

[vast basin]

just light spam im pretty sure

[north sedge]

just lights

[odd fjord]

Careful. It's hard to switch off from a good revolver.

[north sedge]

heavy for armored stuff, bosses

armored elites that is

[rocky marsh]

thanks peepol

on caxe can i forsake twbs?

[dense field]

no

you can never forsake twbs

it's your fate

[rocky marsh]

no i want da trooth

caxe seems like a fast enough weapon

[dense field]

Why would you want to be stunned?

[rocky marsh]

its just a ministun no

but iirc twbs works on ranged hits as well right

[dense field]

Of course

It's the thing that makes you immune to being stunlocked

[rocky marsh]

if only caxe had good crit scaling so i can build shoutspam instead of mommentum or martyr

[polar nexus]

Nonono, brauto is excellent. It's just that knives serve a purpose.

[rocky marsh]

martyr kinda gay

blanket statement

[onyx solar]

my last 6 rashad's fate .-.

[rocky marsh]

its more of how i don't like how thresholds and "feel" change at different life points

[dense field]

Shoutspam is not really good. It's excellent on a vet because it's instant and doesn't stop you from acting.

Taking actions*

[rocky marsh]

i like shoutspam because the shout itself

• knockbacks
• recovers 50% toughness

and you basically get to spam it

[polar nexus]

It comes handy and it's an easy way for casual gamers to do something

[onyx solar]

knocking people out of spawns and mutants

good times

[polar nexus]

It's just sad that can't rev or fight with it

[rocky marsh]

do you know how fun this is

[onyx solar]

it's also a crutch that's really hard to let go of, because chip damage sucks

[rocky marsh]

with shoutspam its basically on forever

[dense field]

Not a big fan tbh

[obtuse solstice]

yeah I started using a crit build and can't go back

it's just more fun than momentum

[dense field]

Sure I'll take it if I have spare points

[polar nexus]

Crit CDR should change...

[dense field]

CDR has to go

[rocky marsh]

noooo :(

everyone is saying martyr is best build

why take away my shoutspam

[dense field]

Martyr is not best

there's no single best zealot build

[dense field]

I don't work in fatshark so that's just my opinion

[rocky marsh]

i was told martyr had both highest damage and highest survivability

[rocky marsh]

yeah i know.

[dense field]

There has to be a better way to do it

[rocky marsh]

hey eru, does hsword scale nicely with crit?

[dense field]

Crit CDR is unhealthy

[rocky marsh]

why

[open bramble]

@rocky marsh I run a build almost identical to that with hsword, and it works pretty well, because hsword heavies are so bonkers

[north sedge]

cdr in general is ridiculous

[open bramble]

the one you posted earlier

[dense field]

It doesn't scale well but it works just fine with crit build

30% crit chance is more than enough

No need for scourge

[rocky marsh]

as in does hsword have good crit multiplier?

i assume by your answer its no

[dense field]

Correct

[polar nexus]

They have cleave

[dense field]

Also correct

it hits so many targets that a single crit can replenish like 1/3-1/2 of your CD

[polar nexus]

Yep

[minor sage]

it has mediocre crit but you force crit cdr because it's broken

but you are stuck taking piety

[polar nexus]

And with headtaker and deathblow you instakill 4 targets, and with the remaining cleave you replenish your ult

[minor sage]

the other option is to use a weapon that's more suited for crit and take martyr

like evis15 with shred for example, you can take martyr and still have crit cdr

[dense field]

Because it works a bit too well for the miniscule effort it takes.

[polar nexus]

Or dclaw

[minor sage]

dclaw is weird

[dense field]

And there's no way to balance it, at least as far as I can see

[rocky marsh]

heh heh a reason to like it

[dense field]

If it gets nerfed too much it would become useless

[minor sage]

the ADM against cara is so bad that you basically either need to use a chastise charge or bring revolver

to kill crushers

not a big deal to do either tbh

[polar nexus]

I can live with that

[minor sage]

but lacking an option to just kill it straight up with melee

without spending resources

is annoying

[open bramble]

adm?

[polar nexus]

And you can still parry

[rocky marsh]

i thought i was hot shit back when hand cannon worked on melee weapons

[dense field]

Actually

I'd straight up buff the fury capstone

[rocky marsh]

some form of damage scaling relative to damage increase bonuses

[dense field]

And gutted the CDR

[dense field]

Armor damage modifier

[north sedge]

armor damage modifier

[open bramble]

ahh

[north sedge]

cdr across the board should be kneecapped

[rocky marsh]

not wrong but not helpful at all

[dense field]

I agree

I think the player power level could use some toning down and CDR is the way to do it

[rocky marsh]

ok then eru

[dense field]

Opinions opinions

[rocky marsh]

what skill does martyr take :p

[minor sage]

I think finesse is the issue lol

making one stat scale both weakspot as well as crit

[ripe quest]

PA spam

[dense field]

Finesse isn't THAT busted

[minor sage]

is simply dumb

[polar nexus]

Gives every ult 2 charges and stop cdr

[minor sage]

it drastically limits design space

because now you can't balance for ONLY crit or ONLY headshot

you have to balance around the crit headshot

[north sedge]

finesse isn't that big of a deal, certainly not compared to cdr

[polar nexus]

At least you can waste one and still have one just in case

[rocky marsh]

crit spam requires me to press F when i notice my toughness going down, or when i want to kill something
martyr just requires me taking damage

[dense field]

Listen, my opinions shouldn't take away your fun

[north sedge]

and there's too much power in general, cdr would tamp down some of it, but not all

[ripe quest]

imo Blazing Piety is a really plain Keystone that could be something better and CDR shouldn't be as easily accessable as it is, on any class.

[dense field]

If you enjoy piety there's zero reasons to not play with it

[rocky marsh]

am just curious why you feel that way. am goign to go sleep

4:50am

[ripe quest]

I feel like you could make a dedicated Keystone to CDR and that'd be fine, if there weren't ways to just get a full ult every few seconds.

[rocky marsh]

but maybe lurk a while more ho ho

[dense field]

night

[minor sage]

I think they want zealot to be able to get CDR from all 3 paths

[ripe quest]

And they're cringe

[minor sage]

the way I would probably rework it is:
left side = melee crit kill on elite/special => 10-15s flat CDR
middle side = CDR based on health missing => more cdr the less health / max that you have
right side = same as it is currently, cdr on backstab

numbers can probably be tweaked

but the main thing is that CDR should be possible to get, but not as easily accessible as it is now

cuz 1.5s on every enemy hit

is just too insane

[rocky marsh]

wait from what you guys are saying, people take invocation of death and martyr?

[minor sage]

martyr cdr is bad, but martyr is actually p good lol

[polar nexus]

Set. Things. On. Fire.

[minor sage]

it just needs to be a passive CDR boost rather than cdr whenever you lose hp

[open bramble]

I kind of agree with what crab communicated in that youtube video that exhillious linked yesterday where fs is prob. happy to leave the game as is for a while and probably doesnt care too much about the small subset of people who absolutely shit on the game even at the highest difficulties lol

[open pollen]

Freaky, I just got to the part in the TAC TALK video where they say the same thing. Get out of my head!

[polar nexus]

I linked first. 9 minutes after upload. BUT EVERYONE REMEMBERS EXHIL. T_T

You're too popular

[dense field]

Damn I gotta watch it

But 3h

[open pollen]

A novice asks: "Is this good?"

But a master knows to ask "Is this cringe?"

[dense field]

pain

[open bramble]

their game knowledge is insane. lots of really insightful stuff

[polar nexus]

And from product management pov, they are right

They're just managing the stakeholders and most of the people playing are not salty hardcore gamers

[dense field]

This is a brilliant idea by the way. A DoT enhancing keystone might be good.

[minor sage]

tbh I think the most pressing matters right now is probably not the game balance

[dense field]

Flesh tearer lacerate

[polar nexus]

Even crab and telopots were talking about it

It's in the name lol

Blazing

!!!!

[minor sage]

top priority for FS is probably a crafting system rework to make it more engaging to interact with for the casual player base

[spare talon]

id personally be fine with it being baked into piety, but god i would hate to lose it altogether lmao

if im running crit cdr im taking piety anyway to double down regardless

[ember yew]

Fatshart: Here's your RED gear with 1% drop chance only in Maelstrom.

[minor sage]

very unlikely lol

[open bramble]

if they make the crafting system more accessible and less toxic, they can make more substantial balance changes without having to worry about invalidating items that people spent a billion hours farming up

so i think youre right

[ripe quest]

I was gone for 5 minutes

[minor sage]

my thoughts is that they'll make the blessing/perk / recrafting system trivial

[open pollen]

And I am kind of glad about that. I feel like it's good to keep tabs on general trends/common critiques, but I don't want devs coming in here and taking suggestions wholesale. Most takes are bad, especially mine, and even the good ones have to be mulled by at least a dev or two before being included (Stims, for example). Plus, I never want to feel bad for making a bad suggestion on the rare chance it ends up somehow getting into the game and ruining it.

[dense field]

Eh I'll take it at this point

[minor sage]

and add another layer

that is giga grind

[ripe quest]

so many pushups

[minor sage]

either red weapons

or push from 80 -> 100

[ember yew]

and that was the point of that back then in VT2

[minor sage]

and it's gonna be a new resource that you collect

[ember yew]

good ol' days

[dense field]

This

[ember yew]

of getting crap red drops for characters weapons you DONT use

[open pollen]

(Which has happened to me before, actually. Things I suggested in VR discords ended up being added and making things worse. And boy, does that sting.)

[minor sage]

tbh the only reason the locks and t4 blessings being annoying to get rn

is because there's no other system to grind for

[ripe quest]

Oh I mean, think of what it could be though. Could still be crit related, just more than "if enemy, crit chance".

[minor sage]

IMO once they add a new system for ppl to grind for

they'll probably relax the locks

and relax the blessing bullshit

[spare talon]

right now im feeling the pain of early crafting hard, since my brother and his friends are playing the game and they havent dumped 1k hours in like i have and arent ready for damnation with their experience level either

so im just in second hand pain

[ripe quest]

There's a lot of things the keystones could be and two of our keystones are just passive buffs, Martyrdom is on a thin line of it being one but at least it has an interesting proc condition.

[spare talon]

honestly its hard to think about what it could be, since there are multiple other perks that could potentially be used that are already seperate perks, such as toughness dr on crit or bleed on crit

[ripe quest]

It's kinda what I have against the coherency auras but I'm not sure if Fatshark has the will to fix them.

[dense field]

And then there's ogryn

[spare talon]

possibly increased crit damage on crit by x% for x seconds, stacks x times (we all know fatshark loves their stacks)

[polar nexus]

The problem is that a lot of people think they need meta godrolls to perform or play in t5+

Except, no.

[sick quail]

guys Im looking for a good build for 2hander chainsword and whatever as ranged

[polar nexus]

Just learn how to play. Whatever your bring is not as important

[ripe quest]

I heard Crab talked about something something if you crit your next headshot is an explosive one.

[sick quail]

like, Im not really fussy

[spare talon]

that would be fucking nuts

[ripe quest]

ikr

A keystone with more than one layer of depth??? In Darktide??? Noooo

[polar nexus]

Everything works with the evis

[coarse merlin]

[spare talon]

it would be hard to add anything to piety without blatently powercreeping it though

[polar nexus]

Fire dots

[open pollen]

Only consistent value I see in the horde of hardcore gamers complaining about stuff and suggesting things, is it provides a meta-insight (Something is making this player mad, although it could be completely different from what they're actually complaining about) and maybe brainstorming (gotta get through all the bad ideas to find the good ones sometimes, and I have have LOADS of bad ideas!)

[polar nexus]

Like the blessing on the illisi that nobody takes

[dense field]

I thought so too until I started a new character and oh boy does it suck to take 5 hits to kill a poxwalker on sedition

It's so tedious

[open pollen]

But of course, I'm not a dev. So that might also be a bad take

[sick quail]

still though, a talent build is what Im after

[open pollen]

My new headset occassionally plays a guitar rift and I DON'T KNOW WHY

[spare talon]

i only have good ideas though

anyway dclaw parry should also parry bullets the same way ultrakill parrying works

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-when-you-uhhh-the-gif-25052421

[polar nexus]

Well, I admit that I leveled my zealot and my psyker with pinning 4, bm4 and ht4...

[open pollen]

You might be joking, but a special MK that can parry bullets, but has lower counter-attack values on melee could be neat.

[spare talon]

the key detail being that the parried rounds become giant explosions makes that very unbalanced tho

[open pollen]

That's another point of value. I love reading peoples ideas/suggestions. Frankly, I get more value out of that stuff that any dev ever has, I imagine.

[ripe quest]

Lot of people run stuff like this. You can run most stuff with it, avoid Shroudfield with chain weapons since it's bugged rn. I'd avoid Flamer but otherwise run whatever. I recommend a Graia or Agri Brauto, Columnus IAG, Lawby or Kant Shotgun, or Zarona Revolver personally.

[open pollen]

Psyker Devil Claw that Neo's the bullets back. Hmmm, tickles the brain.

[spare talon]

yeah, people talk about you dont need blessings and shit for weapons to do well, but they forget that you still need serviceable stats on said weapons

[open pollen]

Imagine being able to return-to-sender a sniper round. OR, A BOMBER'S BOMB!

[spare talon]

imagine it in a ranged only maelstrom

[open pollen]

Forget effectiveness, that'd be fun af

TF2 pyro reflect style

[spare talon]

i dont need to carry immo grenades, the enemies carry them for me

[open echo]

ooooooooo

[ripe quest]

A problem with this, and the main reason as to why we have a small select group of trusted playtesters, is a mass of players shits out so much noise that it isn't digestible. If you went out and looked you could find hundreds of posts about each weapon and 90% of them are based on little experience and all 100% disagree with eachother.

[open pollen]

"DON'T KILL THAT BOMBER, GUYS! I'M GONNA REFLECT IT!"

Things said before disaster

[polar nexus]

This with rampage shred

[open echo]

you can bait bombers

i do it sometimes

very silly

[spare talon]

yeah i do used their fire offensively since the damage does scale on enemies too

but we're specifically talking about the idea of a dclaw that can parry projectiles back at enemies

[ripe quest]

Should make it a blessing.

[spare talon]

so its LITERALLY becoming an immo grenade

[open echo]

that would be very fun

[spare talon]

that would still be stupid powerful

it would need a drawback

[open echo]

probably at 140 hrs of using dclaw now lol

[spare talon]

same

maybe more

im an addict

[ripe quest]

With like, current Dclaw you'd probably still get hit frequently and it'd just be like Deflector where it consumes stamina.

[spare talon]

yes, but since its a blessing, it could be used on psyker with peril deflection

so you can just spam parry walking toward a group of gunners and turn them into swiss cheese

that would be really goofy and strong

[sterile stone]

Make a video proving this Coleman

[open pollen]

Oh, for sure. I am referring specifically towards picking suggestions at random, or only looking at relatively "high-effort" suggestions (Videos, fan-art, etc).

Don't underestimate the ability for some folks to make bad ideas sound good with a bit of elbow grease. Gotta take everything with a mineful of salt.

[spare talon]

cant make a video with a blessing that we thought up

[ripe quest]

I cannot imagine it would be possible to parry every shot against a meaningful group of shooters/stalkers and definitely not against a gunner or reaper.

[sterile stone]

You are forsaken

[ripe quest]

It's peak usecase would be eating a sniper shot and hitting a boss with it

[spare talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/829907757238845501/1161669462131486782/uni_fnaf.gif?ex=653923fe&is=6526aefe&hm=c3b03668b4ae7de1e20742c6b0bdbec60b386058d4bc87e0a5008b05a8c3e2a0&

[sterile stone]

I sentence you to 20 games

Of bad pubs

[spare talon]

thats no punishment

[sterile stone]

You're saying that now.

Just wait til you spawn in a already in progress match

Teammates already dead

And 3 bombers are already chucking nades at your feet

[spare talon]

ideal clutch scenario

[sterile stone]

While you're still loading in

[open pollen]

Make a video using your imagination and then describe it to us.

[spare talon]

a million bajillion gunners spawn and i put up my parry then all of them explode instantly

then everyone on my team claps

[open pollen]

Holy shit it's like I'm there.

Watching this on youtube right now.

[ember yew]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-commissar-tzeentch-confused-gif-26391578

[spare talon]

rannick also gives me a nobel peace prize for it too

[open pollen]

The future is looking a little less grimdark

DAMN IT, I GOT GUITAR RIFF'D AGAIN

WHY!?

🎶 DO-DOO, do-doo 🎶

[sterile stone]

Cole on his anime protagonist arc

[sick quail]

Nice one

[polar nexus]

Cole-san

[open pollen]

Is it like chastise where you need to proc it mid-saw or does it just not work at all?

[ripe quest]

It used to be, but they patched a bug and you can no longer do it.

If you ult mid rev it'll cancel the rev.

Shroudfield is strictly a guaranteed crit for chain weapons.

[open pollen]

isekai'd into warhammer: Darktide

[plush shale]

😎

[polar nexus]

That's beautiful

[spare talon]

your next bullet will be ready to be fired in approximately 3-5 business days

[dense field]

Revolvers are not meant to be reloaded anyway

[plush shale]

Stub-gun "Zarona" "Casino-Royal"

[plush shale]

IT'S NORM RELOAD

3 sec, but i dont use this revolver how ultimate weapon always

[dense field]

As normal as it gets

[spare talon]

hit by a truck only to be woken up to be hit by a leman russ immediately after

[open pollen]

OKAY, MY HEADSET JUST PLAYED A SAD SLAP-BASS NOW. WHY!?

[open pollen]

Ending up back in your home dimension in the process.

(Idea: Isekai anime, but it's just a guy being hit by various vehicles and dimension hopping for a few thousand episodes)

[spare talon]

the only isekai id watch

[open pollen]

Eh, don't bother, the manga's better.

The anime cuts out the whole boating arc

[spare talon]

just got a cool 5000 dockets from joining a mission failed screen of the current maelstrom

thats like half a bad stat weapon

and i just joined a in progress mission

[open pollen]

But if you do, I suggest the subbed version. The american dub doesn't capture the whimsy of the original vehicle sounds.

Also, there is no dialogue. Only vehicle sounds and screaming.

[obtuse solstice]

what's the highest dps gun? bolter excluded

[open pollen]

THE CURSE OF ARGUS! IT'S REAL!

No cap, I like joining in-progress missions because they're slightly faster. Less waiting in lobbies and no intro run-about before the fighting actually starts.

[open pollen]

Zarona Revolver, I think?

Ah, I think the sad slap-bass was it disconnecting from the dongle.

[austere shore]

why do I get sodding tactical axes every drop

[open pollen]

Because you're just so tacticool.

😎

[austere shore]

4 in a row 😭

[open pollen]

I say again:

😎

[spare talon]

just failed that auric i joined in progress in the most spectacular way, was fucking up left and right but apparently one of the dudes thought i was still popping off cuz they said they got a recording of me dealing with a scab mixed horde alone

[open pollen]

(But quieter this time)

[ripe quest]

handled horde
impressive

[spare talon]

like yeah i did handle a mix of a horde maulers and crushers
but then i instantly got knocked down to 1 hp by a mauler immediately after using the med statiojn

[ripe quest]

I'm sure you did great sounded like a clutch but that guy concerns me

[open pollen]

I had a similar thing happen a decade ago where I accidentally landed a double airshot by wildly firing and the dude called me the better player and I've still not stopped thinking about it.

[spare talon]

it was 2 crushers, 5 maulers, tons of scab bruisers, and a weakened plague ogryn

in one room

[drifting wolf]

fun

[ripe quest]

Ah that would add up.

[spare talon]

that kinda back room near pathway you enter from at the start of chasm logistratum

[ripe quest]

One (1) Flamer mag though

[obtuse solstice]

this maelstrom is fun as fuck

[spare talon]

the area thats blocked off on the investigate

[spare talon]

i might miss another run of it cuz ive been on a loading screen this entire time

[obtuse solstice]

yeah it's gone 😦

[spare talon]

https://tenor.com/view/dmc4-gif-20659375

[north sedge]

Flamer so weak though

[ripe quest]

Can't even kill a poxwalker so sad

[north sedge]

😔

[still quartz]

Obligatory ego feeding post

[spare talon]

what are you using lmao

[spare talon]

we all get our turns, mine just ended lmao

[open pollen]

Plot twist, this is after systematically killing the rest of your team with barrels.

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-uni-gif-26762123

[spare talon]

wait yeah everything else is cropped out

[spare talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1070833524824875189/1196556681384042506/cat_you_shouldnt_have_done_that.gif?ex=65b80f3f&is=65a59a3f&hm=931bd2aca90ca0838cda948c55d7f97f14c684b0045542f82098fbc73384fd88&

[ripe quest]

https://tenor.com/view/have-at-thee-rat-jump-gif-3333922911057271749

https://tenor.com/view/vermintide-vermintide2-hop-on-hop-on-vermintide-rat-gif-23424961

[still quartz]

Plot plot twist, I sent myself off the map with those barrels

[naive star]

How to deal with Crushers as stabby stabby knife Zealot?

[spare talon]

uncanny

[naive star]

Got that, still if i get like 5 at a time, its not so good idea to go all stabby on em

[open pollen]

My sibling enjoys watching Labrinth (The 1986 film with David Bowie) every year on their birthday and overtime Sir Didymus went from my favorite character to the object of my perpetual ire. Also, David Bowie's character, The Goblin King, gets more toxic upon every rewatch.

[spare talon]

what other blessing are you running

[naive star]

Precog

[north sedge]

Dance around and stab

[spare talon]

pretty much

if you were using flesh tearer i woulda just said a heretical statment and just said light attack spam them in the head and get em all nice and bleeding

and let the bleed do the work when its supercharged with rending

but i am kinda ass with precog on any weapon so i cant tell you how to use it effectively

[naive star]

Just played couple games so far with the knife, here i just do Fury rush with Brauto when meeting those https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IYdinwCoPY

[open pollen]

Also, this scene becomes instant comedy when you realize David Bowie isn't doing the crystal ball juggling. How they kept a straight face during this I'll never know. https://youtu.be/0UWNWVIhFdY?si=goGK3UEiDb3KlSea

Ah shit, this is the Darktide discord.

[steel agate]

thats fine, #zealot-class and what not

[open pollen]

Eh, I've said more tangental things here before

Fair, fair.

[naive star]

Well he also played guitar solos on his music videos that someone else actually played

I mean thats even way worse imo

[open pollen]

Wait, you telling me there's a guy behind him playing the guitar through his jacket too?

https://youtu.be/NofMf8pFvFA?si=aWdFKr2ojoK7YUv4

Like that ^

[naive star]

https://youtu.be/VbD_kBJc_gI?t=217

[ripe quest]

When running it use the push attack some more. Hits almost as hard as the H1 and 2 but comes out faster.

Saw you were using heavies on ambient enemies, the PA will be faster for that too.

[naive star]

Ok gotta add that in 👍

[open pollen]

Ah, you mean they're being dubbed over. I was hoping for the arm trick. Unless, this is a really well done version of that illusion.

[naive star]

No sadly its just him pretending to play guitar, while he didnt play that actual solo for the recording

[open pollen]

Ah, that happens a lot in music. Still funny how half-hearted his facsimile is.

[naive star]

https://ultimateclassicrock.com/david-bowie-lets-dance-video-stevie-ray-vaughan/

[alpine egret]

???

[autumn fern]

[alpine egret]

what should i change on the knife ?

[autumn fern]

perks , i think blessing are really great

[sharp zodiac]

I'd either change lacerate and change melee damage groaners

I'd change the blessing to precog or if you still want to keep the bleed flesh tearer

Perk, uh..flak or maniac could work

[drifting wolf]

old reliable

[zinc talon]

ok I'll share it with you idiots too

if yall haven't seen this mod

that gives you every button

for every vendor

for every character

from the title screen

yalls quality of life could stand to be vastly improved

it obviates the mourningstar except to queue for a mission with a specific character and flex cosmetics on poors

[open pollen]

Ah, that makes it way worse

[zinc talon]

lol if you think that one's bad

check out mick jagger and david bowie for under pressure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOBFzb83Pl0&ab_channel=LiveAid

cant find the one I'm thinking of but this's a good start

[static creek]

lads, what would u change on this new piece?

[ornate bone]

Based

[static creek]

nice skin

[sharp zodiac]

It's already looking good

I'd probably just change the perks

[ornate bone]

Precognition and specialists would get chopped off

[ripe quest]

Lacerate to Precog/Riposte, Executor as an alt to Precog. +Fodder to +Flak.

[sharp zodiac]

WHAT

Do not talk to my precog baby like that

I raised it from birth

[open echo]

suggestions?

[ripe quest]

+Specialists to +Flak and that's set.

[zinc talon]

thanks I just peeled it off a bulwark

[ornate bone]

Well your precog baby should've known I'd chop it off

[zinc talon]

its fresh

prolly got two, three days before it starts to flake off

[ripe quest]

Essentially a god roll.

[sharp zodiac]

IT WENT TO COLLEGE

[zinc talon]

the bulwark? doubt it

[ripe quest]

Thrust to BM and +Crit Chance to Flak or Maniac, whichever hits better BPs.

[open echo]

no 550 this time :(

[zinc talon]

having a weapon that can 550

and not 550ing it

is fucking heresy

550 is the goal here people

[ripe quest]

bwomp bwomp

[static creek]

precog + uncanny better than mercy + lacerate?

[ripe quest]

Absolutely yeah

[sharp zodiac]

Yeah

[static creek]

ok bet thx

[ripe quest]

Uncanny is a significant damage increase, Precog is better Mercy Killer.

[ornate bone]

For 2 seconds, unfortunately

On dodge, unfortunately

[ripe quest]

You can get like 3 PAs in during it, and it's refreshable during the duration.

[ornate bone]

It's nice to have pocket duelist at least

[ripe quest]

Also on dodge is one of the better proc conditions what

That's free

[static creek]

alright well here we go

[ornate bone]

Maybe I should make a knife with riposte and precog and duelist

[ripe quest]

[open echo]

this is very pleasing

[zinc talon]

Gear Mountain rises steadily to the east, Milord. Your Great Work progresses apace to the glorification of the Emperor and the betterment of humanity.

NEED MOR STEEL

CONT MAYK WEPPINS WERTH A GRUT WITOUT STEEL

[ripe quest]

the fuck is this

550 my ass

[zinc talon]

that's cleevin

cleevin segal

badass actor that doesn't actually know any martial arts

looks fantastic

total shit in a fight

[static creek]

hell of a cop

[open echo]

what are they again?

[woeful pecan]

Hurt me, Hadron.

[zinc talon]

brutal momentum

and breakpoints

[open echo]

dooo ittt