The sound works just fine
#zealot-class
mystic ether
light holly
Because enemy attacks got fastest at legend and cata
mystic ether
more frequent too
mystic ether
slave spear rats literally do a little thrust combo.
native cargo
When is the arc in DT where orks come along and we gotta fight hordes of big nosed goblins
light holly
slave spear rats literally do a little thrust combo.
I hate those attacks
native cargo
I know we probably gonna be fucked fighting orks but you know
I wan a fight goblins
mystic ether
At least you can parry in vt2.
light holly
Cause those are ALWAYS the attack thst put me down
fading vale
literally had no clue warhammer fantasy existed before I played darktide and people talked about vt
light holly
literally had no clue warhammer fantasy existed before I played darktide and peo...
Let's goo
visual stream
The sound would start as a breeze in the wind, you would get hit, then the rest of the actually noticeable part of the noise would finish
native cargo
Warhammer fantasy is cool
light holly
I love warhammer fantasy more than 40k
visual stream
It is consistent by way of that 
mystic ether
I didn't know warhammer existed until vermintide.
native cargo
It's now age of sugma
native cargo
Good ol' end times
light holly
End times, slapped, skaven feasted and had wacky models
Like the hell pit abomination
ember yew
I didn't know warhammer existed until vermintide.
warhammer mmo was fun back in the days
fading vale
idk how I feel about it cause I've always associated warhammer with like, space marines and orcs and shit
mystic ether
I will say though, for storytelling, the folks on the flavor writing for vt2 are really fun.
visual stream
Warhammer Fantasy would be a cool setting if they didn't let an intern's fifteen year old doomer write the world ending
mystic ether
very endearing characterization for every character in vt2.
even lohner got some hella meat on him for a sole npc hub character.
next to uh olyssa?
ember yew
I will say though, for storytelling, the folks on the flavor writing for vt2 are...
In DT story and character personalities dont exist, VT1 and VT2 are top tier
especially banter
mystic ether
I think her name is spalled.
light holly
Step aside chaos spawn
light holly
Well the banter in darktide is strong
It is the risk FS took for us to be able to make characters
mystic ether
In DT story and character personalities dont exist, VT1 and VT2 are top tier
I disagree. It's just not as focused comparatively. you're not necessarily dealing with characters with their set story and then their individual progression through the subclasses which caused so many more dialogue options through those things. Darktide leans more into the cog in a machine fit.
so those mixed and matched character backgrounds and banter is all you really get rn.
reef pewter
In DT story and character personalities dont exist, VT1 and VT2 are top tier
the different voices have a ton of personality
now granted there isnt really any story, but there's still great dialogue. even if it isnt as good as VT it's still top tier af
light holly
Warhammer Fantasy would be a cool setting if they didn't let an intern's fifteen...
Whaat
No this is why we had age of sigmar
mystic ether
Personally, I like them, though they aren't at the same level I'd say as stuff written for months in advanced for say, a new subclass.
light holly
Because JUST as the forces of chaos were about to end it all
The fucking ultramarines came down
Thanks gw
😭
But also
That's a misconception
Alot of evil characters died during the end times
Queek, Sigvald
The skaven lost alot
mystic ether
though I do like how they've been adding in new dialogue relevant to whatever intrigue has been going on for whatever period of time.
Vt2 just has so much more stacked for it.
light holly
Arkan the black got fucked by the skaven even when he was about to complete a necromantic ritual
mystic ether
so much more.
reef pewter
vt2 also has more years of content behind it
visual stream
I just think it was super inaccurate how powerful the forces of chaos and rats were, in comparison to slaan who could each individually move mountains
light holly
End times were goood times
mystic ether
VT2 functions a little closer to it's own pocket of stories in relation to whatever is going on in the end times lore. With darktide it feels more like you would've needed to be invested in 40k to add in the blanks yourself like people have been demonstrating.
visual stream
Among other forces of good
light holly
I just think it was super inaccurate how powerful the forces of chaos and rats w...
Well because of the twisted moon
stable cypress
Morrow was there before they retconned that half eldar space marine
light holly
Grinning moon?
There was warpstone
It was bad
Skaven snorted it
The beast men got invigorated
visual stream
Well because of the twisted moon
You mean the warpstone moon that the rat shamans pulled down? 💀
light holly
Everything went pretty poorly
mystic ether
Also in vt2, the fucked up skaven maps are like.
light holly
You mean the warpstone moon that the rat shamans pulled down? 💀
Yeah
reef pewter
I like the lack of story focus in DT. makes progression feel oriented towards gameplay and gear and mastery, vs dedicated story chapters and missions where it feels more like a campaign
mystic ether
You get like tectonic plate shifts from the explosion following the warp gate closing.
native cargo
The same lizardmen that had fat ass frogs sitting on floating mobility scooters that didn't like the way a mountain range looked so they moved it thus causing unspeakable amounts of damage to the dwarves and other factions
mystic ether
It's uh.
light holly
They just waited for the right time
native cargo
God I love warhammer
mystic ether
really terrifying in context.
native cargo
Just in general
light holly
And everything got fucked up
fading vale
Idk man they are big rats
native cargo
I can take the twins 
mystic ether
I do not like getting jump scared on some weirdo shit for you to just poof run away from me.
visual stream
I'm js that every single slann in the lizardmen faction was trying to stop it, who individually are probably stronger than at least ten strong skaven mages, but they somehow lost the push/pull battle against backwater hick mages
zinc talon
separate pokey ladey frum broheim
slash down her shield, shoot down his
then turn and melt dudebro as a team
theyll hit their health threshold before they even get up
and the mission will advance immediately
mystic ether
It's like the old Stalker in Warframe before they changed him apparently. Dude would literally be in your Tenno DM's, talking some mad keyboard tough guy shit, NEVER SHOW UP after blowing up your inbox right?
SUDDENLY this bitch has the nerve to show up when you're farming low levels on a forma reset? Okay.
Okay!
OKAY BITCH!
zinc talon
then on the third tim eyou can just kill em then turn to the other
mystic ether
Oh I'm not talking about the actual fight, talking about the debut event. I just didn't appreciate the disrespect.
mystic ether
They've been killed by me at least...3 times. Sword sister has been kb'd by me twice, her brother got shot at point blank in the back of the head by me.
visual stream
Karnak twins' health bars when they show up mid level: 👼
mystic ether
I made my zealot specficially around the time they debuted because I wanted to try and blow them up with a big bonk backstab before they poofed away.
Never got to do it. ;-;
Still got to make the gun one flop over though.
punk ass..
My words literally from my mouth when playing that encounter for the first time; "OH WOAH BRO WHO TF IS THIS BUM IN THE CORNER AAAAAAAAAAH"
"THIS BITCH JUMP SCARED ME?!"
zinc talon
sorry some idiot left half of a perfectly good hotdog over there on the ground
that bum was actually and figuratively me
mystic ether
perish
zinc talon
I knew my luck was gonna turn
visual stream
I like how fast Kruber, Saltz, and Bardin pull out their one-shot guns for an instant one tap, but Kerillian, who is supposed to be agile, not only pulls out her bow slower but also has to draw it before blasting someone
ornate bone
I miss the Stalker bosses
My only problems with Warframe were the power scaling and ezmode movement
It was fun to farm shit and shoot shit, just I wish the game was more like Darktide instead of everyone getting one-shot by everyone
hushed agate
Warframe is fun for a good while but than you get to the part of the game where youre farming rivens and arcanes
If i remember correctly a maxed put arcane energize is like
40usd
ornate bone
Rivens and arcanes gave me soul cancer
Golly gee I sure fucking love my Diablo roll mods
Oh nooo my onus was -zoom, I'm sure it balances out my +damage +multishot haha the system is fine
Fuck rivens
ripe heron
I treat Warframe like a racing game where you are tuning your murder machine to go fast.
native cargo
Go zoomie
visual stream
I treat Warframe like a racing game where you are tuning your murder machine to ...
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vivid hawk
Should I go for a mk15 or a mk2 evis?
figure i'd work my way through the chain weapons
got two chaxes already
and the swords don't interest me too much
meager turret
I like the mk15
ornate bone
Mk15 has some awful delay on the heavies, but is really good otherwise
vivid hawk
iirc, the mk15 is pulls ahead in single target, right?
ornate bone
idk 
ripe quest
how's it compare to the chaxes in terms of horde clear?
The Mk XV Evis' crowd damage is about on par with the Mk IV Chaxe's crowd damage. The Mk XII Chaxe is a bit slower, and the Mk II Evis is a bit faster. Neither even compare to Chainsword's crowd damage.
vivid hawk
The Mk XV Evis' crowd damage is about on par with the Mk IV Chaxe's crowd damage...
chainsword is good? thought it was nerfed, been hearing mixed things
ripe quest
best course of action here?
There's a couple things you can do with that, with perks you'd probs swap one out for +Flak. Savage Sweep and Wrath aren't needed but can be nice. You could either swap both blessings, or swap one of the perks and swap Bloodletter to Rampage.
ripe quest
chainsword is good? thought it was nerfed, been hearing mixed things
It's the best melee crowd damage Zealot has.
vivid hawk
It's the best melee crowd damage Zealot has.
Interesting, which mk?
ripe quest
Mk IV is better at it, heavies are best but light spam is only a bit slower. Mk XIIIg has better light spam but only 1 heavy has any cleave, the combo is light x3 and a heavy iirc.
Either of them with Rampage + Savage/Wrath will turn fodder, bruisers, and small elites into paste.
vivid hawk
interesting
ripe quest
Also I think the only nerfs it got since the big buff was the light rev damage got halved since 1 shotting Elites with light revs is insane, and the Rampage nerf.
vivid hawk
@ripe quest my vet has this, been hanging on to it, wasn't sure what to do with it
north sedge
Also I think the only nerfs it got since the big buff was the light rev damage g...
Unusable 😔
ripe quest
Whoa that's a sick knife, swap Smackdown to Uncanny and +Crit Chance to Flak, Unyielding, or Elites.
ripe quest
<@239404785453760512> my vet has this, been hanging on to it, wasn't sure what t...
You can swap Dev Strike to Rampage and it's useable as is. I don't have BPs on hand for Vet, you could swap one of the perks for Flak but it'll be good.
ripe quest
Imma just give it both bleed blessings I think
That would ruin that knife
Bleed caps at 16
And Uncanny is the only thing that makes bleed's damage actually impactful
languid jetty
you only realistically need lacerate 1 if you're going for turbo CDR bleed
ripe quest
On that build you have so much crit chance that Lacerate just doesn't compete to Flesh Tearer
You get more bleed and you get the weakspot mod for knife
languid jetty
I only really run it for the infinite replenishment + stagger
ripe quest
Knife is kinda a bad weapon for that build
minor sage
We should see if we can get like a !bleedknife command
To post the lacerate flesh tearer meme
Lololol
Damn thats such a perfectlty statted knife too
Shame hes gonna ruin it
ripe quest
We should see if we can get like a !bleedknife command
@lusty turtle What steps do we need to take to get this for the Zealot chat? 
I call upon your aid
lusty turtle
languid jetty
I'd run an eviscerator but honestly too much brainwork to run combos
lusty turtle
i'd sooner let my lungs win then allow that command to exist
(i can ask, but i think we had commands before but they got spammed too much)
the emperor protects
ye they're disabled
ripe quest
A massive cooldown on it would be a compromise I'm willing to make
broken goblet
Where should I look for people to complete Just a Flesh wound penance? ^^;
minor sage
Or !zealotguide
ripe quest
Where should I look for people to complete Just a Flesh wound penance? ^^;
The LFG channels can work for that
Just make sure to say you're doing that penance
broken goblet
Thanks :D
drifting wolf
I'd run an eviscerator but honestly too much brainwork to run combos
mk xv evis is m1 spam horde clear and hold m1 for big hurt heavy attack
meager turret
Mk15 evis is really straightforward yeah
sturdy gyro
hey guys what is better the tigrus mkxv or the mk2 i cant decide
lone pecan
Mk XV moveset is easier for me, so I like that one more, light attacks for horde, heavy attacks for the big things
buoyant pecan
i'd sooner let my lungs win then allow that command to exist
Corpse starch
lusty turtle
tasty
north sedge
lusty turtle
buoyant pecan
ripe quest
yeah
Some people run crit build with that same blessing setup. It has enough cleave for it. I'd personally swap Shred out for a +Cleave blessing (that way you can make this a Shred 4 Chainsword later) and keep perks for BPs.
polar nexus
i would keep the perk and get the opportunity to change the blessings however i want
ripe quest
If you need to hit like, a Rager 1 shot swap Unyielding first.
vivid hawk
so unyielding isn't dead on chword?
ripe quest
Bosses can be a bit annoying with Chainsword so it's not terrible. Might hit some Bulwark BP too.
vivid hawk
Some people run crit build with that same blessing setup. It has enough cleave f...
have the capability to go Savage Sweep 4 and Shred 4
but would it be worth?
ripe quest
No I'm saying you could set it to Rampage T3 + Cleave T4, if you want to do a crit build later you can swap the Cleave blessing back to Shred.
vivid hawk
ah, okay
ripe quest
That's a very good roll though, essentially future proof too.
vivid hawk
That's a very good roll though, essentially future proof too.
how so?
ripe quest
The first mod slot would go to swapping Shred, you can keep the 2nd one for perk changes or if Rampage gets obliterated and you need to swap it.
Weapons like that will last a long while
My pre-patch 13 Chaxe was like that, I had an extra mod slot and I was able to change one of the perks to adapt to current metas.
polar nexus
unyielding is not bad at all, check if you need a bp against maniacs / elites
but yeah, keeping blessings open is the best way to future proof your weapon
visual stream
Can you get multiple procs of the "+3 stacks on dodge" in one dodge for brutal momentum?
As in multiple enemies dodged in one go?
vivid hawk
As in multiple enemies dodged in one go?
seems like it, at least from my own experience
gray ice
rough vault
Did someone say bat
royal vortex
i said josho
fleet zealot
I said batferret
rough vault
i said josho
Hi josho!
rough vault
I said batferret
So based
royal vortex
hello fred
rough vault
Fuck you
royal vortex
fleet zealot
coral smelt
blessings and perks for devils claw?
rough vault
blessings and perks for devils claw?
arrogant and grave defiler
ripe quest
blessings and perks for devils claw?
There's a weapon setup guide in pins.
rough vault
Also flakiac
ripe quest
oh huge
random weapon in the store hand delivered that right as I started running pubs again
dry sierra
what is up with the sudden influx of stealth zealots? on damnation and aurics.
using throwing knives and combat knives, and rushing to the other end of the map,,, or at least trying before they get downed and then rage, saying the rest of the team is too slow, even tho they have killing nothing else than the bare minimum to move past everything
the last 7 games, there has been a minimum of 1. is this just a bad time to be playing at?
hushed knoll
https://tenor.com/view/puffer-fish-what-the-heck-gif-24866376
I LOVE WUTFISH
north sedge
Nothing new
ripe quest
what is up with the sudden influx of stealth zealots? on damnation and aurics.
...
It comes and goes in waves. Been happening ever since those couple weeks of the bleed bug back at launch.
It also depends on the mission a bit, they're more common in Damnations since people farm mats there.
tidal berry
what is up with the sudden influx of stealth zealots? on damnation and aurics.
...
its been a thing since P13
dry sierra
i have seen 1 or 2 at random times, but this has been consistent.
not a single one of them have been picking up mats tho..
its getting to the point where i see a stealth zealot in the lobby i just dodge and find another
ripe quest
hmm, I wonder if it's penance farming then
tidal berry
most zealot penances I ended up doing accidentally
polar nexus
what is up with the sudden influx of stealth zealots? on damnation and aurics.
...
a lot of youtubers made video with knives....
lone pecan
Speed running missions means less time with the soundtrack, don't do it
tidal berry
DT youtubers do be promoting weird builds
ripe quest
Many of the speedrunners I've seen will go for mats. I've seen a couple that are like, double bleed doing literally nothing but sprinting players.
sharp zodiac
Darktide would be cooler if they added a rapier
(I'm not counting dueling sword)
tidal berry
yeah usually its just ppl looting the map
occasionally you'll get a player who just
alerts an entire horde
and dies
and then immediately quits the lobby
atomic flicker
as a zealot non-player i have mixed feelings about knife zealots
ripe quest
Darktide would be cooler if they added a rapier
(I'm not counting dueling swor...
DS is too close to it, even has similar combos. Darktide will be doomed to no Rapier.
sharp zodiac
I will never be able to embrace my favorite weapon
atomic flicker
i have seen exactly one (1) single knife zealot player that was incredibly good and could probably have soloed auric maelstrom
sharp zodiac
Minus the Walmart equivalent
tidal berry
as a zealot non-player i have mixed feelings about knife zealots
funnily enough I've seen very few knife veterans and they have all been excellent players
atomic flicker
i believe that build might have the highest skill cap of all of them and if you're that 0.000001% you're a god
tidal berry
maybe troll take maybe not I think knife is actually better on veteran
atomic flicker
at the same time
i believe the other 99.99999% of knife zealots are detriments to the team
and they're good at clutching sure but they wouldnt need to clutch if they just played an actually usable build
hushed agate
maybe troll take maybe not I think knife is actually better on veteran
Knife is really good on everyone really
visual stream
as a zealot non-player i have mixed feelings about knife zealots
I've been in a match where two knife zealots and a level 18 ogryn went into the auric maelstrom and zoomed to the end of the map, and I carried that damn baby ogryn through that match tooth and claw and I made sure to take my sweet time extracting so I could make them wait 😌
atomic flicker
knife zealots create the clutch situations they love so much imo
tidal berry
I don't think having high innate mobility is skill cap, feels like the opposite to me
knife is more like effort to kill chaff thats all
and you gotta hit back/weakspot etc
sure
like the amount of bad situations I get out of purely because of knife mobility
its a safety net
ripe quest
maybe troll take maybe not I think knife is actually better on veteran
Not super sure about that. Namely Duellist and our melee buffs along with knife having all the rending it needs with a blessing makes it hard to compete compared to knife on other classes.
Also Zealot has a Flamer
Psyker does too but they also have DS
dry sierra
had a group yesterday with a knife zealot that just zoomed to the end, no pickups, once he was in the extration zpne he started telling us to just run...
while we were dealing with multiple packs of crushers, gunners, snipers and more.
someone started a kick vote, the first time i have ever seen it being used, and it was voted "yes" fast by everyone xD
tidal berry
Not super sure about that. Namely Duellist and our melee buffs along with knife ...
So my reasoning there is that veteran has the innate tools to make up for knife's normally rather slow horde clear, so its a lower skill cap entry to knife playstyle
ripe quest
So my reasoning there is that veteran has the innate tools to make up for knife'...
Flamer
And Kant
Vet has Kant too
ripe quest
With Fury of the Faithful and Blaze Away it can handle clumps of anything except for bosses and Bulwarks.
Though if a Bulwark swings for whatever reason the Flamer will catch it and kill them usually
tidal berry
See the thing is I havent touched flamer past leveling my zealot
and I havent yet seen someone actually worth their salt using it so I dont know what its good for
but I've seen some zealots running it and just... running out of ammo
ripe quest
imo it's highlight is patrols since it'll remove or nearly remove them with whatever ammo is required to hit max burn stacks.
A lot of people don't know how the Flamer works fully so they just spray the enemies down until they're dead, when usually you can optimize ammo usage since your damage is coming from burn stacks
tidal berry
thats true
still think vet knife is pretty easy to get into and probably up there with zealot for power
I say probably cause both classes have some funny bugs
like there is an elusive bug for infiltrate that just disables it for the rest of the game when it occurs lmao
or that old infinite shroud bug, Idk if thats ever been fixed but I assume so because I see a lot less of that
ripe quest
Looking at the Vet tree I'm seeing essentially like 5 talents being used to just pull the weight of Duellist
Having +100% critical weakspot damage on knife is like a 70% damage increase
And you still get other buffs
tidal berry
I thought it was %50 for duelist
ripe quest
50% for weakspot and critical damage, 100% for critical weakspot
tidal berry
I see
well
its not as spammable on veteran
but you have ways to spike power
mainly ability modifiers and voc spam will spike your damage up a lot
ripe quest
So does Zealot.
polar nexus
maybe troll take maybe not I think knife is actually better on veteran
as part of knifuary i played knife most of the time on my characters... and well, i prefer it on the vet as well, i don't know why but here it is
tidal berry
It hits enough breakpoints but the main value is mobility
between like shredders and strong ammo regen its just all around strong
I'll try it on psyker next if I can actually roll a decent knife
coarse birch
Exhil you dont need carapace on xii chaxe correct
if you have thrust
for vet in this case
valid garden
when running thunder hammer what ranged weapon do you guys prefer running?
my guess would be like, shotgun or flamer?
ripe quest
Exhil you dont need carapace on xii chaxe correct
Oh you can almost raw 1 shot with XII and Thrust
Don't need it on either.
coarse birch
ok thats what i thought
kant shotgun is pretty good
brautos are good if you are confident in melee with the hammer
ripe quest
when running thunder hammer what ranged weapon do you guys prefer running?
Kant, Lawby. I've taken a liking to the Graia Brauto
valid garden
Kant, Lawby. I've taken a liking to the Graia Brauto
right, thanks
dawn wharf
Love me the Kant shotty
polar nexus
Looking at the Vet tree I'm seeing essentially like 5 talents being used to just...
yeah but that's node i would take regardless of the knife because they are good
dmg elite, wp dmg, reciprocity, power on wp after ult
ripe quest
Yeah, they look like fine talents. It's just in the Knife's case you can get about the same damage out of just Duellist + you get extra points for other options.
tropic nova
hey im just wonder whats better btw this is on a hammer
light holly
Also considering the cool down doesn't reset, there's some consideration
Because you can't keep it up
sharp zodiac
hey im just wonder whats better btw this is on a hammer
Tbh.. neither are great
tropic nova
yeah
sharp zodiac
You're typically looking for headtaker and thrust
Preferably thrust 4 but don't fret if you don't get it
tidal berry
duellist should not be so easily attainable
kinda funny its just better precision strikes
but I also have agile engagement on my vet
tropic nova
i have thrust 4 im just wondering what to keep for now
polar nexus
ah yeah i love agile
tidal berry
I'll just fly under the radar
sharp zodiac
Uh
tidal berry
with my agile laspis/knife
polar nexus
if have the points i try go go that route with weapon specialist
sharp zodiac
Yeah idk tbh, I think it's really up to you
tidal berry
I kinda just
tropic nova
guh
tidal berry
take the %10 melee, grab agile and then ignore weapon spec
ripe quest
duellist should not be so easily attainable
It's value on other weapons is much more tame. It's just knife has a like, 3-4x finesse multi.
imo they should keep it as is but make it not apply to ranged weapons.
polar nexus
it's kinda good with h1 hsword / claw and disgusting with thammer tho
polar nexus
take the %10 melee, grab agile and then ignore weapon spec
i do run a lot of keystoneless vet builds
tidal berry
its weapon dependant for me
knife is one of those for vet where I just never touch keystones
maybe focus mark if I feel like it
I'm already breaking my mouse might aswell abuse my scroll wheel too
ripe quest
it's kinda good with h1 hsword / claw and disgusting with thammer tho
I mean, on Thammer it's like a 30% damage increase for critical weakspot hits and a ~20% for weakspot hits on Hsword heavies.
tidal berry
not my fault veteran finesse keystone is absolute dogwater ranged meme
but hard to complain about raw damage for your entire team so your zealot one shots that BoN even harder
ornate bone
I wish the finesse keystone worked for melee
tidal berry
I'd wish exec stance didnt commit sudoku when I weapon swapped
Idk sharpshooter vet is just... its just stinky
ornate bone
Scrier's gaze at home
tidal berry
I gotta play more gunker
ornate bone
I just use exec to not have shit swap on my helbore
But honestly
The stinkiest fucking crime of left tree vet is exec stance not proccing weapon specialist
Utterly unforgivable
It's clearly bugged tho
tidal berry
that is probably immeasurably complex
maiden path
hello
ornate bone
Allow me to chain specials on exec stance using melee attacks
maiden path
zealot chat.
tidal berry
not the smokes aAa
ornate bone
I NEED exec stance working with melee and weapon specialist
tidal berry
are you trying to make a helbore bayonet build
ornate bone
And I NEED it to have the ability to regen toughness on activation
No I want to poke shit with my knife
polar nexus
The stinkiest fucking crime of left tree vet is exec stance not proccing weapon ...
til
ornate bone
Exec stance losing the full reload and 50% toughness was criminal
It was the one I used the most
ornate bone
Fuck ogryns and shooters
hushed knoll
Cats don't wear duncecaps
ornate bone
Remember when everyone ran bolter with the reload ES before patch 13?
polar nexus
Remember when everyone ran bolter with the reload ES before patch 13?
I once atomized a run out of spite. First and last time I out damaged my premade buddies...
ornate bone
Based
patent elk
is it worth taknig the extra crit boost for crit zealot, hadron just blessed me with this for the perk?.
gilded bridge
Is hard mode orthus only damnation difficulty?
heavy arch
yuh
patent elk
just switch wrath and ur good
what should i switch wrath with?
heavy arch
rampage
gilded cairn
The penance "Up close and personal", complete a mission without firing any shoots, can I use throwing knifes?
fleet zealot
it cold
fleet zealot
The penance "Up close and personal", complete a mission without firing any shoot...
i'm not 100% sure
it should work
since the penance is just not firing your ranged weapon but, i dont trust fatshark
gilded cairn
i'm not 100% sure
I must test it then.
valid garden
what do you guys think I should do to this?
summer peak
@valid garden swap rampage for savage sweep, rampage 3+, wrath, or bloodthirsty depending on what you want to do. Maniac, elites, or unyielding could replace 20% maniacs.
summer peak
ahhh thnx. 20% maniac is ok. I'd definitely swap rampage
reef pewter
I suggest that as well
valid garden
right, so what to then?
summer peak
I think 20% maniac lets you special => light attack mutants.. though I always get them with activate heavy strikedown for ufn
valid garden
and is the 20% maniacs sufficient enough?
valid garden
I think 20% maniac lets you special => light attack mutants.. though I always ge...
gotcha
fiery ingot
rampage to 3 or 4
fleet zealot
Grow more fur stinky
valid garden
rampage to 3 or 4
gotcha, is rampage better than savage sweep?
fleet zealot
<@986078933139206184> swap rampage for savage sweep, rampage 3+, wrath, or blood...
mk15 shouldnt go savage sweep
fiery ingot
gotcha, is rampage better than savage sweep?
savage sweep is cleave, rampage is damage
summer peak
its your choice. do you want more damge or more cleave
fiery ingot
they are different things
fleet zealot
mk15 shouldnt go any cleave blessing except perfect strike
valid garden
its your choice. do you want more damge or more cleave
unsure really
Idk what's best for this variant
fiery ingot
rampage
fleet zealot
because perfect strike has that weird % armor ignore mechanic which does benefit mk15
summer peak
mkV has amazing light for horde already, so you can get by without.
fleet zealot
but cleave doesn't benefit mk15 cause it has a hard damage cap of 4 units that it already hits in hordes by default
so wrath/sweep doesn't do anything
summer peak
does cleave apply for special heavy strikedown into ogryn I never tested it
fleet zealot
does cleave apply for special heavy strikedown into ogryn I never tested it
cleave stat only matters for multiple targets so no
it wouldn't
cerulean pike
fleet zealot
it just increases how much hitmass you can go through before your weapon bounces
fleet zealot
looks good
cerulean pike
Also cleave on mk15 is fine.
if you’re using it for true solo. Cause you want to stagger even if you don’t damage
fleet zealot
Also cleave on mk15 is fine.
if you’re using it for true solo. Cause you want t...
then i'd say shred+pstrike
cerulean pike
Other than that though ehhhhh
fleet zealot
but true solo is such a niche thing, i doubt most people here even do that
cerulean pike
Pree much cleave on mk15 is just for stagger
summer peak
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/196mniy/i_was_blown_away_by_how_effective_perfect_strike/
cerulean pike
Rampage would generally give you more than enough to stagger though
valid garden
then i'd say shred+pstrike
you think pstrike is better than rampage?
cerulean pike
For true solo cases since you have to hit everything to stagger
cerulean pike
Rampage for
every single other case
fleet zealot
pstrike is the best blessing cause ignoring hit mass bonus from armor DOES help it cleave into armored targets
summer peak
shred is the must have
summer peak
why
fleet zealot
eviscerator doesn't even have good crit ratios, you just use it for crit cdr abuse
you can go shred secondary
valid garden
rampage is the must have
okay so replace rampage 1 with higher tier rampage rather than pstrike?
fleet zealot
okay so replace rampage 1 with higher tier rampage rather than pstrike?
yee
reef pewter
is momentum any good?
it's good. you can skip the toughness modifer, but momentum plus the dodge stacks is a massive passive buff
fleet zealot
36% damage trumps all
summer peak
yes, and you can expirement later if you get another 4 blessing for funz
fleet zealot
mk15 is flexible in the sense the second blessing doesn't really matter
and sure you can go shred+pstrike, that basically locks your weapon into ALWAYS going crit build
rampage+whatever leaves your weapon open for the entire build tree
quartz silo
Getting my “drip checked” as the cool kids would say for my other classes and had to get my main checked. Thoughts on my outfits?
summer peak
not really wounds spec would be fine with shred+pstrike or shred+rampage too crit is still good damage is still good
steel agate
Getting my “drip checked” as the cool kids would say for my other classes and ha...
Candle is always good 
fleet zealot
kek just bought a random one from brunts and immediately got it
ez
fleet zealot
not really wounds spec would be fine with shred+pstrike or shred+rampage too cr...
not really, the benefit is always gonna be crit cdr
cause crit cdr+blazing piety is just stupidly strong rn
summer peak
no, cause in martyr/wounds spec you swing faster and with more power. crit is still good.
fleet zealot
it's not like knife or dclaw that has pretty good finesse ratio that makes crit damage appealing
i think it's just the base 40%
cerulean pike
only time it applies is on crusher and even then
chastise
fleet zealot
martyr/wounds spec you want bloodthirsty if you can, not required
reef pewter
i think it's just the base 40%
wait does claw have base crit chance too?
fleet zealot
bloodthirsty lets you chain guaranteed crits with having 0 investment in crit in your talent tree
fleet zealot
wait does claw have base crit chance too?
no
i'm refering to crit damage
not crit chance
reef pewter
ah okay
reef pewter
ye
cerulean pike
yeah I use that + rampage
fleet zealot
not to be confused with momentum (talent)
cerulean pike
Mmm toughness
fleet zealot
but yea, dclaw has a 75%-129% increase in crit damage depending on the swing type/variant
reef pewter
waiting for Fatshack to drop momentum (deorgatory)
ripe quest
what do you guys think I should do to this?
Upgrade Rampage and that's a perfect Evis
summer peak
just remember to always slot thy wrath be swift @valid garden .. and you can use that thing in any of the keystones and its fine (though it is more synergistic with left crit tree)
fleet zealot
well, in code finesse ratios are listed as x.xx
fleet zealot
chain weapons really like twbs for getting activated attacks off without worrying about a single bruiser or poxwalker ruining your day
gilded bridge
Are there any blessings for melee weapons that apply burn?
cerulean pike
the only times my activated attacks stop is when I forget FS added the way to dodge cancel it
fleet zealot
Are there any blessings for melee weapons that apply burn?
only soulblaze on psyker
and it's not really good
fleet zealot
cause it's just force sword and those usually kill what they hit
fleet zealot
the only times my activated attacks stop is when I forget FS added the way to do...
😥 yea me too
ripe quest
36% damage trumps all
It's also 36% cleave and impact, it's a power blessing.
fleet zealot
fleet zealot
It's also 36% cleave and impact, it's a power blessing.
Hitting at least 3 enemies with an attack, increases your damage by 24-36% for 3 seconds.
if this tooltip is wrong I'm going to ding dong ditch fatshark HQ
sharp zodiac
I thought that said wallet
fleet zealot
is it actually fucking power
fleet zealot
I thought that said wallet
no i laready stole that
sharp zodiac
How will I buy money
fleet zealot
<:fatshark:1016285431194718278>
quartz silo
What’s the new evis for? Wave clear or both
fleet zealot
How will I buy money
i'll sell you some i got this cool new wallet
sharp zodiac
Ah cool
fleet zealot
What’s the new evis for? Wave clear or both
executioner sword from vermintide 2
light attacks for horde clear, rev'd heavies for single target
sharp zodiac
What’s the new evis for? Wave clear or both
It's nice for wave clear but the single target heavies is where it's at
fleet zealot
i'd say it does single target better than mk2, while mk15 is kinda stuck at it's damage cap for horde clear
sharp zodiac
No side heavies, only overhead
quartz silo
Used to love evis before I got my lucky hammer godrolls and kinda got shoehorned into using hammers
Might spend all my moneys on getting one
ripe quest
https://tenor.com/view/kill-me-drink-bleach-gif-22890796
It's why the Rampage bug gave 104% damage, blessings have a template and this image here overrides the default buff with whatever tier blessing you have. The template listed .5 damage in addition to the default .5 power.
stark flame
how to make the most of this?
stark flame
thanks
summer peak
I'm not sure I'd want mobility as that much of a dump stat
sharp zodiac
59 isn't horrible
cerulean pike
80% mobility and 59% mobility changes
not much
gilded cairn
how to make the most of this?
% vs infested is useless
sharp zodiac
Basically what Akari said
stark flame
yeah all perks and blessings are pretyt sorry on this but its the only high rated one i have and I like the brainless attack patten on hordes
native cargo
there we go perf
gilded cairn
+% crit chance is much better than % vs infested though
The bar is quite low sadly.
summer peak
unfortunately, combat axe is even more brainless if you have brutal momentum on it.
sharp zodiac
The momentum on it is quite brutal
steep flame
shut up
cerulean pike
Mon amour no
sharp zodiac
Wow
steep flame
bad joke
sharp zodiac
Fuck you
cerulean pike
Horrid
sharp zodiac
I hope your microwave explodes
cerulean pike
It might
ripe quest
I'm not sure I'd want mobility as that much of a dump stat
There isn't a noticeable difference beyond the dodge BP threshold.
steep flame
sentenced to 2 years in the briggs
sharp zodiac
What the fuck
summer peak
nobody fixes microwaves, just get a new one
fleet zealot
I'm not sure I'd want mobility as that much of a dump stat
you can dump mobility to 50% without losing a dodge
and especially with chastise, you dont need the little bit of speed
steep flame
nobody fixes microwaves, just get a new one
people with expensive microwaves fix their microwaves
its also very cost effective to fix them
sharp zodiac
Ive noticed rats are a lot more common in white than other animals
steep flame
ripe quest
If your microwave has a microphone to pop popcorn automatically that shit is a family heirloom and should be repaired.
fleet zealot
Ive noticed rats are a lot more common in white than other animals
yes
sharp zodiac
minus any arctic animals
fleet zealot
white is a very common mouse color+ high rate of albinism
sharp zodiac
Ah
fleet zealot
ferrets also have a high rate of white + high rate of albinism
summer peak
how many mice will a ferret eat before its full
steep flame
but fr please fix ur microwaves
ripe quest
how many mice will a ferret eat before its full
steep flame
but fr please fix ur microwaves
its pretty cheap and its much less wasteful
fleet zealot
how many mice will a ferret eat before its full
depends
stark flame
how to make the most of this?
also the charged light with this doesn't seem to do anything
fleet zealot
chicken is healthier for domestic ferrets
summer peak
so you like find someone and take the microwave to them. it takes at least an hour and probably more and then what, like $50-100?
fleet zealot
cheap microwaves turn to shit tho
if i had an expensive microwave i'd try fix first
steep flame
so you like find someone and take the microwave to them. it takes at least an h...
well we tend to take like atleast a week to fix stuff because we usually have a huge backlog of stuff to fix
summer peak
damnit, the microwave is shit again https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.redd.it%2Fjz170i2o80651.png
steep flame
and microwaves are usually some of the cheaper things to fix
fleet zealot
unlike snakes, ferret diets are more difficult so while you can feed them frozen mice from a supplier, you have to consult with a veterinarian for nutritional guidance, as well as raise them young to recognize mice as food since they won't if domesticated
steep flame
and microwaves are usually some of the cheaper things to fix
because most of the parts are interchangeable between models and they take like 20 minutes at most to fix
fleet zealot
it is a lot easier to get some dry food mix and frozen chicken and mix it with water and a little bit of salmon oil
but as for my profile picture, the wild black-footed ferret, I'd say 2-3 mice, considering they hunt praire dogs
steep flame
wasnt that thing extinct for a bit
fleet zealot
yes
hunted to extinction for their pelts
we luckily managed to find just enough spread across the lands
and in 2020, the black footed ferret was the first endangered species to be cloned
with her name being Elizabeth Ann
valid garden
just remember to always slot thy wrath be swift <@986078933139206184> .. and you...
aye
ripe quest
it is a lot easier to get some dry food mix and frozen chicken and mix it with w...
I would just put a bunch of them into a box and check on them later.
ripe quest
fleet zealot
god i hate re reading the wikipedia articles cause it is really kinda fucked up
what these little critter went through
stable raptor
fleet zealot
ill pray for taxe buffs for u
cyan seal
What should I reroll?
fleet zealot
What should I reroll?
lacerate to uncanny
cyan seal
I like sliding around slapping bleeds onto everything, but I also want to shit on armored from behind
fleet zealot
groaners to flak or unyielding
fleet zealot
I like sliding around slapping bleeds onto everything, but I also want to shit o...
there is no alternative
keep flesh tearer, swap lacerate to uncanny strike
stable raptor
sharp zodiac
Lacerate is extremely unintuitive to the knife's playstyle I'd add
I think that's the word, or counterproductive
cyan seal
Doesn't it guarentee every single hit after the first is going to have more crit chance?
fleet zealot
Doesn't it guarentee every single hit after the first is going to have more crit...
wasted
knife has a massive finesse ratio
meaning you always want to be aiming for the head
sharp zodiac
For the weakspots
fleet zealot
flesh tearer is 8 stacks per crit and knife can easily hit 75%+ crit chance
And uncanny strike is the best blessing in the game for melee weapons
which requires you to go for headshots
cyan seal
Right
fleet zealot
bleed caps at 16 and you really don't want or need to even get that many, and flesh tearer will let you cap in 2 crits
cyan seal
Don't have uncanny yet, ruthless backstab?
fleet zealot
Don't have uncanny yet, ruthless backstab?
it's alright, really weird to hit weakpoints from the back
i'd get uncanny asap tho
but it is fine to use until you get uncanny
cyan seal
ruthless backstab doesn't require weakpoints
south folio
weakspots are pretty easy to hit and uncanny strike is easy to keep up
uncanny isn't like executor where you drop it on misses or anything
fleet zealot
ruthless backstab doesn't require weakpoints
requires you to be behind
and knife wants to hit weakspots
that is the issue that comes up
i hope your character is max height
you can reach the back of a crusher's head
stable raptor
cyan seal
you can reach the back of a crusher's head
Do you need to jump?
fleet zealot
Do you need to jump?
if you are minimum height, probably
native cargo
My favorite part of my usual loadout is jumping to shoot the head of an elite hiding on top of a ledge
Best use of the jump button
stable raptor
north sedge
ripe quest
A bit rough with the perks but otherwise nice.
fading vale
sharp zodiac
I love this eviscerator skin so much
stable raptor
cyan seal
I love this eviscerator skin so much
Looks pretty sick
fading vale
I love this eviscerator skin so much
I need this but with flesh tearer and lacerate scrolling down
sharp zodiac
I just need a better zel head
olive raven
tbh im bored and need to darktide a bit
fleet zealot
perks garbo
fading vale
also don't use devastating strike
fleet zealot
crit damage perk is calculated terribly, and 5% crit chance is just inferior to even 10% elites
fading vale
is this the true reason stan is always incoherent
fleet zealot
fiery ingot
i love steve
stable raptor
fleet zealot
🤢
fiery ingot
I love this eviscerator skin so much
fusil à pompe looks like some food name
fading vale
🤢
I mean it's not bad except for the perks and mercy killer isn't ideal but at least it does something I suppose
ripe quest
With Scourge, Mercy Killer is just worse Precog but still Precog adjacent.
Also swap out that +Crit Chance
fleet zealot
it's the perks
fading vale
just never applies to first hit
ripe quest
mhm
stable raptor
The emperor made these.... I just spent the plasteel
ripe quest
Spend some more plasteel and swap +Crit Chance 
stable raptor
change it to what?
fading vale
crit chance isn't worth it on basically any weapon unless you aren't running piety and then only on knife and laspistol, or perhaps IAGs
flak
sharp zodiac
fusil à pompe looks like some food name
Something involving pepper I'm assuming?
fleet zealot
change it to what?
25% flak, maniac, or unyielding
stable raptor
fading vale
damn I'm gonna get snowed in
fleet zealot
north sedge
fading vale
fleet zealot
wtf stan
fleet zealot
claw really really wants flak
2nd this
stable raptor
stable raptor
fleet zealot
stable raptor
stable raptor
native cargo
Been trying out the bolter again in combination with the hsword and its definitely an acquired vibe.
Its not bad its something I gotta get used to after being spoiled by near instant weapon pullouts
stable raptor
what other than shred?
olive raven
what other than shred?
its just...
rampage/ss exists
if its a crit build sure
but sweet heavens
stable raptor
proud scroll
Is there a good knife build?
stable raptor
good or trash?
fleet zealot
Is there a good knife build?
blazing piety+ chastise, uncanny strike + executor or riposte
be sure to grab the duelist talent
get scourge, get crit cdr
and you'll be good to go
native stump
i never tried this weapon. is it any good?
reef pewter
the heavy swords are good
ripe quest
damn I'm gonna get snowed in
Thank god you have a cat, practically a little heated pillow
reef pewter
where it sits in the meta shouldnt be your concern, but if it is then ye
good fun
nice mix of crowd clear and single target
ripe quest
blazing piety+ chastise, uncanny strike + executor or riposte
Uncanny + Precog as well.
Precog will give you more damage than Executor
and the cleave scaling doesn't mean much since it's a single target weapon.
native stump
the heavy swords are good
how would i build it?
ripe quest
Been trying out the bolter again in combination with the hsword and its definite...
That's actually one of the combos that gives Boltgun room to breathe. It's good at anti-Ogryn, allows it to cover weapons that are bad at it like the Hsword.
stable raptor
i never tried this weapon. is it any good?
I have that sword too
oh wait i have headtaker not rampage
ripe quest
how would i build it?
You want Deathblow, the best rn is Deathblow + Headtaker. Some people use Rampage + Headtaker but I don't recommend it.
reef pewter
how would i build it?
I use the mkIX which is the specialized crowd clear specific of the heavy swird but still has some solid single target. I built it with a similar versatile, but more single target ranged weapon (such as revolver or bolter) and you can effectively run it with any skill tree you want
ripe quest
Because it's a deathblow weapon perks are BP reliant
ripe quest
I have that sword too
Do all of your weapons have +Crit Chance on them?
native stump
You want Deathblow, the best rn is Deathblow + Headtaker. Some people use Rampag...
the mk 7, is it any good or would the 9 be better?
reef pewter
they're all good, I just like how the mk9 combos feel
native stump
ah
ripe quest
the mk 7, is it any good or would the 9 be better?
The IX is better with crowds due to the superior light spam and the looping heavy sweeps. However the VII and the VI are better with elites (all Hswords have the same Cara performance).
stable raptor
Do all of your weapons have +Crit Chance on them?
I don't come into your house asking you a million questions... 🤣
native cargo
That's actually one of the combos that gives Boltgun room to breathe. It's good ...
Yeee true. I'm swapping between kant and bolter pending on what I wanna use
ripe quest
The difference between the VI and VII is their movesets are offset by 1, use what you like since their difference is they're a tiny bit different against certain elites but nothing major.
reef pewter
also having used the heavy sword myself, you really dont need deathblow at all. it already one shots a lot of crowd enemies and can cleave through practically any horde thickness, so I wouldnt worry about feeling like you NEED deathblow
native cargo
May stay with bolter just cus it takes cares of ogryn packs well
ripe quest
also having used the heavy sword myself, you really dont need deathblow at all. ...
You can 1 shot 5 elites in a single swing
Deathblow and BM are currently nuts.
reef pewter
it dont one shot elies though
ripe quest
Then you aren't building it to do so.
VI and VII have a better time with it.
They have better sweep heavies for first target damage.
reef pewter
it's like a Zealot rapier, it's high single target damage is more from how fast it attacks than how much damage each hit deals
ripe quest
You can build it to 1 shot ragers and ranged elites with sweeps.
Meaning you can catch 5 kills in a single swing.
In hordes if you 1 shot fodder you extend that first target damage
It's a significant damage increase.
reef pewter
those groups dont exist too often and one more swing will finish the job anyway at that point
native stump
so just swap out the 2 blessings?
reef pewter
and those attack angles dont hardly hit more than 2 weakspots anyways
stable raptor
what to do?
ripe quest
so just swap out the 2 blessings?
I'd do PS to Deathblow and +Crit damage to BP, probs Flak.
native cargo
I somehow whiff my heavy 1s on the hsword 6
north sedge
native cargo
I'm just bad
ripe quest
and those attack angles dont hardly hit more than 2 weakspots anyways
What? The VI and VII have like almost flat sweeps, especially the VII.
steep flame
ripe quest
The IX has really flat sweeps but they're a bit lower damage.
native cargo
For lights? Yeah the sweeps are pretty flat
ripe quest
For heavies
reef pewter
the 9 has flat sweeps but the 6 and 7 are very harshly angled, almost vertical for the truly single target attacks
fleet zealot
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1195964106331664546/I...
hey thats mineee
i'm the gay twink thing
native cargo
Wait
steep flame
hey thats mineee
sowry
stable raptor
Someone help me before i ruin it with crit damage or chance
ripe quest
the 9 has flat sweeps but the 6 and 7 are very harshly angled, almost vertical f...
Both of the heavies on the VI and VII have the same damage profile + the sweep heavies are absolutely flat enough to hit a line of weakspots. With the VI it requires an angle and the VII it's not an issue.
native stump
I'd do PS to Deathblow and +Crit damage to BP, probs Flak.
bp?
fleet zealot
yee
fleet zealot
all swords with BM can hit the 4 elite kills
native stump
Breakpoint
so swap crit dmg to flak basically
reef pewter
Both of the heavies on the VI and VII have the same damage profile + the sweep h...
they literally arent almost flat, excluding the vanguard/relentless attacks, in which case the 6 and 7 are largely 45ish degree angles for what sweeps they have, and those angles are bad at hitting multiple weakspots
ripe quest
so swap crit dmg to flak basically
Yeah.
native stump
kk
stable raptor
😥
soft atlas
I got this in a wargear/mission reward, what should I do with it/change
native stump
damn. no db. guess it's time to farm
quaint verge
I got this in a wargear/mission reward, what should I do with it/change
Switch thunderous to slaughter or headtaker
CRIT chance to unyielding
stable raptor
thuderous isnt bad...
north sedge
Thunderous is not good on hammer
ornate bone
have you checked your Bhole?
stable raptor
Thunderous is not good on hammer
I tested it, its pretty bad
reef pewter
would it be good if you were doing lights for your single target damage? or if you're crowd clearing with single targets amongst them?
ripe quest
they literally arent almost flat, excluding the vanguard/relentless attacks, in ...
If I could set up a video for you rn I would. I can say the VI is the worst of the three, you will often get the same amount of Deathblow procs on the H1. On the VII it's flatter, depending on density it'll catch 2-4 enemies on the H1. H2 is about the same as the VI's where it's like 2 at most, 3 on a blue moon. IX same case with the H1 but the H2 and H3 are actual genuine flat. They just hit less as hard and will only do the 1 shot thing 4 times instead of 5 like the H1 and the other two Hsword's heavies.
Specials, shotgunners, and ragers will get caught most often. Gunners aren't common. A benefit of Deathblow is fodder won't eat first target damage. It's basically a buff getting a free extra 3-4 fodder or bruisers per swing as well. A Deathblow Hsword is why it's considered a meme for how overtuned it is, BM does this to Caxes (and other class' weapons) as well.
reef pewter
because in those cases it woukd increase you and your teams damage against them in situations where you cant just thunderslam them
stable raptor
heavy arch
heck giving ur team buffs
north sedge
Thunderous is basically just asking your team to clean up after you
It's also just totally useless on boss before you bring that up
reef pewter
well I was thinking of it as softening up enemies you'll deal with yourself when you have the opportunity to do so
like a bunch of ragers in a horde you cant really spend time thunderslamming, you'll be heavying them at best. with thunderous that would soften them up so your non-thunder attacks deal with them better, or to do bigger damage when you get the space to do so
north sedge
Or you can have headtaker/slaughterer and kill things in a timely manner
polar nexus
thunderous is good on clubs with bleed and haymaker or skullcrusher
reef pewter
brittlness would scale more for single target and power for horde clear no?
heavy arch
no
reef pewter
cause that brittleness damage should net you more damage on affected targets than headtaker would, but headtaker will affect hordes better than brittleness ever could
north sedge
Not at all
polar nexus
If I could set up a video for you rn I would. I can say the VI is the worst of t...
yeah, with the 7 you can just heavy loop to no end and you always kill 5 mobs
reef pewter
also if brittleness affects monstrosities then thunderous is an easy win there. on kill affects arent good for boss killing since you cant rely on them ever proccing
bonus points for teamplay
polar nexus
that's why it is easier to use headtaker on bosses
best teamplay with thammer is kill the fucking boss asap
reef pewter
... what? that's literally on kill, you wont have it while dealing damage to the boss
ripe quest
yeah, with the 7 you can just heavy loop to no end and you always kill 5 mobs
It also has the H1 Special Attack loop which will proc Deathblow.
polar nexus
slaughterer is on kill
reef pewter
oh you're right
north sedge
Bosses are a 2-3 hit
Brittleness does not change this and makes your horde clear ass
ornate bone
bro it's the hammer
polar nexus
i wonder what's faster to loop : H1 + H2 or special + H1
ornate bone
horde clear is always ass
reef pewter
the horde clear is good even on a 300 stat thunder hammer with no upgrades, you cant make it ass at horde clear
ornate bone
no? wield any sword and compare
ripe quest
also if brittleness affects monstrosities then thunderous is an easy win there. ...
Thunderous buffs ADMs, once an ADM goes past 1x damage rending and brittle sources are applied at 1/4th strength. After getting the entire Thunderous debuff up after like 4 hits you'll get a nice heaping 10% damage buff
polar nexus
the only problem i have with the thammer is the 3 dodges 😄
reef pewter
Thunderous buffs ADMs, once an ADM goes past 1x damage rending and brittle sourc...
idk what adms are
polar nexus
armor dmg modifier
ripe quest
idk what adms are
Armor damage modifiers. Every attack has one and it determines how much damage it'll do to each armor type.
Rending is a flat buff to these.
reef pewter
no? wield any sword and compare
I have. thunder hammer has good horde clear as a baseline. maybe not perfect, biggest downside is attack speed and the fact you have to use heavies, but when it hits you cut swaths through and knock anything still living to the ground as a baseline
fleet zealot
no? wield any sword and compare
That is unfair comparison
ripe quest
Every sword we have is like, monstrous at horde clear yeah
fleet zealot
Heavy sword is meant to cut through hordes like butter
north sedge
Thunderous buffs ADMs, once an ADM goes past 1x damage rending and brittle sourc...
And to bring this further, a special heavy will far out pace the 10% more dmg you'd get
polar nexus
i remember the days gone past, when hsword was not meta
fleet zealot
Hammer (crucis) will still do the basic job of spamming heavies
reef pewter
and yeah thunder hammer is better oriented towards single target so comparing it to an honest to god horde clear weapon is a no brainer
ornate bone
I think the hammer is overrated
fleet zealot
And it will work
polar nexus
when psword reigned supreme
fleet zealot
Blessings on top is just icing
fleet zealot
I think the hammer is overrated
Wrong but okay
ripe quest
I remember when Chainsword wasn't a good weapon and now it's like the best fodder and bruiser damage a melee weapon can offer
polar nexus
i have to agree
ornate bone
slow attacks will get you killed when you're not fighting on top of each other
north sedge
🤔
polar nexus
every time i use a chainsword i am like, fuck yeah, that's a very dependable weapon, no weaknesses really
reef pewter
Thunderous buffs ADMs, once an ADM goes past 1x damage rending and brittle sourc...
very well. the numbers are misleading, hence why I pursued this discussion to see why it was considered ass, or if it was just the all too common "off meta so trash" commentary
ripe quest
Yeah Fatshark has like, mountains of math that heavily influence what is and isn't meta and they don't communicate any of it
reef pewter
slow attacks will get you killed when you're not fighting on top of each other
dodge better, shove smarter
polar nexus
stam is good, mobily is good, dmg is good
ornate bone
xD
polar nexus
Yeah Fatshark has like, mountains of math that heavily influence what is and isn...
FS has crab
reef pewter
every time i use a chainsword i am like, fuck yeah, that's a very dependable wea...
everytime I use a chain weapon I'm like eh, it's versatile, but doesnt exceed anywhere
north sedge
Takes some effort to get hit while swinging a hammer
reef pewter
chain weapons feel massively overrated
reef pewter
yeah no shortcomings but no outstanding traits either
ripe quest
FS has crab
He can only pull so much weight and all he can do is make the numbers better.
north sedge
I mean, crab doesn't work for them
reef pewter
which isnt bad but it sounds like people are using it like it exceeds everywhere barring a few specialized weapons in certain categories
polar nexus
I mean, crab doesn't work for them
i think they should work for him
ripe quest
chain weapons feel massively overrated
Chainsword has the best crowd damage available, Chaxe has the best armor damage single target available. Evis is actually fairly well balanced and not overly absurd at anything.
polar nexus
chaxe on vet without attack speed is pain tho
ripe quest
I've heard a lot of melee weapons on Vet are a pain
reef pewter
chainsword is underwhelming in crowd damage, idk what people are smoking
stable raptor
reef pewter
not underwhelming, sorry, but not outstanding
ripe quest
chainsword is underwhelming in crowd damage, idk what people are smoking
Check it out, Savage Sweep/Wrath + Rampage.
It outdamages every other Zealot melee weapon.
reef pewter
if I want crowd damage, I'll take vet shovel, psyker illisi, or zealot heavy sword ANY day over a chain sword
hell, devils claw
north sedge
🤔
polar nexus
outstide of ws i'll trade the power of the psword and the lack of mobility with a chainsword or a knife every time
reef pewter
great crowd clear weapons
heavy arch
vet shovel even with deci4 stacks up i feel like im pushing horde around instead of meat grindering like with a h sword
ornate bone
cuz you do
heavy arch
whys it so recc'd then
reef pewter
vet shovel doesnt donthe hirde clear the heavy sword does but it's vet, they're designed ro have weaker melee capabilities. shovel is the best you get
polar nexus
lol
ripe quest
if I want crowd damage, I'll take vet shovel, psyker illisi, or zealot heavy swo...
Again, check it out. Use the Mk IV with heavies or the Mk XIIIg with light x3 heavy. It's the best crowd damage available for Zealot. It outdamages Hsword by miles.
ornate bone
vet shovel doesnt donthe hirde clear the heavy sword does but it's vet, they're ...
euh no
polar nexus
you can do a very potent melee vet
ripe quest
It's been benchmarked so much.
heavy arch
p sword is pretty great
polar nexus
and you have access to caxe, claq, psword, chainweapons and a shovel that 2 tap a crusher
reef pewter
you can do a very potent melee vet
if you sacrifice your ranged output
ornate bone
a bleed dagger is better at horde clear than most of the vet weapons
fiery ingot
yeah psword lol
polar nexus
if you sacrifice your ranged output
no
fiery ingot
its litreally stronger than any zealot melee weapon
reef pewter
yes
polar nexus
no
ripe quest
a bleed dagger is better at horde clear than most of the vet weapons
Some Darcy takes are returning.
ornate bone
Some Darcy takes are returning.
what does that even mean?
fiery ingot
tf is wrong with people saying that vet melee is weak wtf lol
rough galleon
Zealot chat is healing
reef pewter
you cant buff your melee output without losing some skill points you'd put into ranged damage on vet
patent elk
is melee attack speed worth picking up over disdain?
north sedge
You don't have to
fiery ingot
yeah you litreally dont
polar nexus
an iag with onslaugjt, dumdum, reciprocity, precision strike, elite dmg will shred everything
you don't even need longshot
ripe quest
what does that even mean?
Bleed knife's horde clear is good by knife standards but bad compared to any generalist or horde clear weapon.
polar nexus
it's node you can take while doing a melee vet