Brutal Momentum level seems to be fairly minimal difference as i guess its the effect of multikill cleave you want anyway?
#zealot-class
naive star
north sedge
Yea
fading vale
yeah caxe just doesn't have anything to talk about
you mash lights and that's about it
no breakpoints to discuss, no difference in ways to build it, Rashad definitively the best
naive star
Ah it wasnt Rashad now that i logged on
fading vale
you showed a melk one though
naive star
Yeah to grab blessings for future use
IV Headtaker
I mean its not perfect, but could be also usable as has already perfect blessings 🤔
daring mist
best way to get the....healing penenace? The one where you have to heal yourself by hittig enemies while invuln
woeful oyster
Is this good?
naive star
Playing, i got it just by having the talents related to it
daring mist
the umm x/25
on the progression
is that the highest % you reached so far?
or you have to do this 25 times?
north sedge
Percent
north sedge
Is this good?
Surgical handcannon is preferred, crit dmg is not a good perk
woeful oyster
So what is the preference over crit damage?
left iron
north sedge
So what is the preference over crit damage?
Flak maniac elites cara, I'd probably do maniac
hushed knoll
Hi dough 
cerulean jewel
left iron
Hey Stan
Theres nothing wrong with sesame seeds
Except that they are in your hands
Thats the issue
hushed knoll
Wtf rude
north sedge
Do you not like sciatica seeds
left iron
desert mesa
Anyone down to do the zealot penance Just a Flesh Wound? Lvl4 on Magistrati Oubliette
ornate bone
Anyone down to do the zealot penance Just a Flesh Wound? Lvl4 on Magistrati Oubl...
sure why not if you gonna help me with shocking stuff
desert mesa
sure why not if you gonna help me with shocking stuff
Yep i'm only 14/40 with this one x)
ornate bone
Yep i'm only 14/40 with this one x)
Lets roll then
ember yew
Also, use Momentum instead of crit build
Rashad already oneshot targets, you hugely benefit from high atk spd
naive star
Also, use Momentum instead of crit build
Ok thanks for the tip
Can Zealot revive while stealthed?
hidden verge
the leaderboard mod acting funny sometime...
I crashed and come back last second just to have this score 🤣
naive star
Was thinking running Knife for first time with stealth lastnight in a mission, clutch moment went well until i got to team, revived, and then the half map baddies following me reached us and killed while had just done reviving
So maybe with stealth, i could have done it way more safely, another option stun/incendiary grenade and there to make it safe (got stupid throwing knives now)
hidden verge
btw, what is chainaxe's niche? something it can do but evis and chain sword can't?
fading vale
So what is the preference over crit damage?
flak or maniac, elites can be ok too, basically crit and weakspot damage have bad math and aren't the listed 10% so they are terrible
fading vale
Can Zealot revive while stealthed?
yes
spare dome
your stealth will end when you complete your revive regardless of the time left
drifting wolf
btw, what is chainaxe's niche? something it can do but evis and chain sword can'...
significantly better single target and armor damage but worse horde clear, i believe
spare dome
thats the only detail to know
polar plover
why is pen a dump stat on knife
dense field
Is this good?
critical hit damage perk is not good
onyx solar
trying out a bit of bleed on a dagger, should I pick rank 3 flesh tearer or rank 4 lacerate?
dense field
Lacerate is more reliable, flesh tearer is more stacks
ripe quest
or I could take this and go full double bleed
Swap Lacerate to Flesh Tearer and put +Flak instead of +Infested.
T3 to 4 Uncanny is teeny and knife can put out some good Unyielding damage.
By bleed knife standards it'll be good. I recommend grabbing Scourge but don't grab Blazing Piety.
ripe quest
T3 should be fine
Scourge will fill in the gaps
The speed in which you can get an enemy to 16 stacks of bleed with a FT Scourge knife is a bit nuts.
And you don't need to hit body shots for it
onyx solar
just discovered the beauty that is the devils claw sword
yaaas good
i was taken in when i parried a plague ogryn to death
reef pewter
it's literally white, I just threw it on cause I wanted to use it, and god damn did it fuck
onyx solar
*And* you don't need to hit body shots for it
roger, thank you
plain dragon
What perks go on flamers
ripe quest
People like Flak + Elites/Unyielding.
plain dragon
Thanks!
reef pewter
anyone know if the devils claw parry has weird interactions with crushers or maulers?
jaunty lava
It works.
reef pewter
ie.if I parry an overhead, do I still lose all stamina like a block, and take damage to toughness/health?
ripe quest
If you hit the parry correctly it'll work, if you miss the timing just a bit you eat the parry.
jaunty lava
Nope
ripe quest
Proper parries will cap stamina cost to 2.
reef pewter
amazing
jaunty lava
It's really fun agaisnt crushers, i somehow got the "block 900 dmg in 10s" with it
reef pewter
also any unexpected parryables or unparryables?
ripe quest
You can parry the Plague Ogryn's charge
reef pewter
I think I heard you can parry snipers
ripe quest
I think certain like, shoves and boss hits are unparryable.
I haven't checked in a bit
jaunty lava
Pretty sure you can't parry the mutant grab also.
ripe quest
Yeah can't parry grabs.
fading vale
you can't parry anything ranged
reef pewter
ight cool thanks guys
oh more questions: do cleave increasing blessing increase damage distribution or how many enemies you can hit?
fading vale
Steve has decided that today is under the covers day
fading vale
oh more questions: do cleave increasing blessing increase damage distribution or...
+cleave only increases the amount of hitmass you can cleave
delicate shadow
Steve has decided that today is under the covers day
aww what a buddy
spare dome
neither
ripe quest
Knife is a finesse weapon, you lose damage proccing Lacerate that you don't get back from the bleed. Flesh Tearer with Scourge will hit higher stacks before the enemy dies and you can hit weakspot hits.
vivid hawk
what's the preferred mk for HS?
brave maple
Knife is a finesse weapon, you lose damage proccing Lacerate that you don't get ...
So put simply use flesh tearer
Thank you very much
ripe quest
what's the preferred mk for HS?
IX has better light spam, so cooler for fodder and bruisers. The VI and VII have higher damage heavies (the IX has the same damage on the H1, H2 and H3 are worse here) and will be better for non-cara elites. The differences are minor between them, basically the same moveset but offset by 1.
spare dome
the sweep on h2 is way too good to pass up on the 9
plus it cycles h2 h3
makes it disgusting with deathblow
placid fiber
Personally I don't like the heavies 2 and 3 on the mk 9
I know they are useful for situations, but, I prefer the mk 6
ripe quest
plus it cycles h2 h3
Yeah it's a fun combo, best the IX has for elites. It's just so much less damage it makes me sad.
onyx solar
do damage modifiers like Backstabber, Purge the Unclean, and Martyrdom affect bleed damage?
north sedge
no
well purge might? the other two no
only thing that's gonna pump bleed on anything is rending
ripe quest
do damage modifiers like Backstabber, Purge the Unclean, and Martyrdom affect bl...
Backstabber and Martyr, no. Purge the Unclean yeah.
vivid hawk
should I up it to orange?
glacial stratus
@royal vortex pls help me fix this
steel agate
Doesn’t need much fixing to my untrained psyker eyes tbh, seems solid
Especially with the warp flurry
solar gorge
keep blessings change perks
daring mist
could anyone help me with the "There is nothing but the abyss" penance?
steel agate
Was it with thunder hammer?
steel agate
damn they really made that shit harder
I got mine accidentally in the past before they took off the massive heal to the node
So I got lucky
north sedge
you had to heal more before
lone pecan
Fire grenade also helps, so does having no extra bonus health
steel agate
you had to heal more before
Was mad easy with the power of “press special button, heavy boss” method
steel agate
hilarious
ripe quest
I remember doing the old version with a Boltgun magdump into a horde.
steel agate
Could work nowadays even with the things they did to bolter, bolter do be fuckin
daring mist
it would
if you could find just a single grup of pugs
that would be as kind as to gather up the horde for me, not grindign it down
ripe quest
I mean, they've been giving pretty nice buffs to Boltgun. Only nerf it got afaik is the PF one.
daring mist
eitherway, thanks for the ideas!
ripe quest
It's just the buffs made Shattering Impact more niche and made the mag dump part less useful
obtuse solstice
what's better, combat axe or tac axe?
naive star
Complained got no Rashad for my Zealot like 1h earlier
daring mist
eitherway, thanks for the ideas!
it really helps when I unlock everythign else but the thing I want
I hate this game sometimes
sterile stone
Where content
fleet zealot
ripe quest
sharp zodiac
No money
My friend kept urging me to buy Bridget if I truly get into GGS
While the other friend keeps telling me "NO"
ripe quest
They're telling you something
shy river
barley is a good character
sharp zodiac
This fucking rat gif
solar gorge
Become grappler pilled
ripe quest
This fucking rat gif
ripe quest
Become grappler pilled
sacred vessel
bro i started the game chose my zealot and this is the first thing i read once i reach the mission board
ripe quest
onyx solar
I really can't get the hang of martyrdom zealot
steel agate
That’s ok
Most people I see do it weirdly in my eyes, I.e purposely taking damage from a horde for martyrdom stacks instead of letting it happen naturally
solar gorge
lot's of wounds
less health u have the deadlier you get
and the tankier toughness wise
ripe quest
Most people I see do it weirdly in my eyes, I.e purposely taking damage from a h...
That's the V2 strat and it doesn't work without temp health
hushed agate
I really can't get the hang of martyrdom zealot
Whys that?
steel agate
That's the V2 strat and it doesn't work without temp health
Thank u for describing el method in a familiar way 
solar gorge
I just let the dmg come naturally with martyrdom, If I don't take any, I just never needed the boost from martyrdom
ember yew
That's the V2 strat and it doesn't work without temp health
well toughness is kinda temp health in a really weird way
but hey
it works
solar gorge
temp health stronger imo
ripe quest
Toughness is more prone to letting chip damage through. Temp Health is dump since if you have good THP generation you essentially have full health all the time.
hushed agate
Temp health? Is that some sorta beta thing that got removed?
ripe quest
It's from Vermintide
steel agate
Na vermintide thingy
ember yew
Temp health? Is that some sorta beta thing that got removed?
in Vermintide 2 toughness dont exist
hushed agate
Oh kwjxjssk
ember yew
instead you get "temporary health"
from your talents
it decays over time
but works as normal health
sharp zodiac
holy emperor
Tf were your team doing
ripe quest
I love getting full THP just by having on stagger THP and using any blunt or bash weapon
vivid hawk
Tf were your team doing
they were dead for about 10 minutes
ripe quest
So goofy on Bardin with Grudge
ember yew
Tf were your team doing
43 minutes ouch
vivid hawk
had the clutch of a century
hushed agate
Tf were your team doing
Average quickplay experience really
ember yew
fair enough
vivid hawk
good enough to roll?
ember yew
im getting a lot of auric+ games where i rescue 3 people at once
our knife zealot main cursed me
hushed agate
good enough to roll?
Could be better. Could be much worse. Id say give it a shot
vivid hawk
tac axes any good?
dusky portal
hushed agate
tac axes any good?
Theyre decent. Not the greatest though
ripe quest
tac axes any good?
They're currently just worse Caxe's. I recommend getting BM and doing a Martyr build for them.
hushed agate
Every melee really except paul is good. And even than paul is usable
plush plover
if i wanted to absolutely maximize the damage i get out of a revolver shot on zealot how would i go about doing it
cerulean pike
shooting it
sharp zodiac
Hypothetically if you have surgi and the proper perks and HC then imo waiting for surgi to accumulate to a good number will work for enemies , but not waiting too long, gotta shoot the gun
north sedge
Paul as in ogryn?
sharp zodiac
shooting it
Or this
cerulean pike
Paul the ogryn
north sedge
Paul blart mall ogryn
heavy arch
just u
sharp zodiac
Blind people:
plush plover
shooting it
so true
flat marsh
How does 096 interact with an AI
hushed agate
Paul as in ogryn?
Yes
flat marsh
Especially a decentralized one running on several computers
hushed agate
Sorry wasnt paying attention to chat
flat marsh
Does it just go everywhere to attack all of the computers running the AI?
cerulean pike
If you see him, he tries to kill you
If you see his face*
sharp zodiac
Especially a decentralized one running on several computers
Probably break the computer
cerulean pike
Stupid ass
sharp zodiac
Don't be mean
daring mist
1 last question, when you clear " there is nothing but the abyss" does it show up in the match or just after?
cerulean pike
No
sharp zodiac
Damn
flat marsh
Is there like a limited range? If an alien looked up into the sky, there's a chance to see its face in their PoV
flat marsh
Like a single pixel counts, so what about like a single photon
What if I viewed its face from space?
Can it just fly?
delicate shadow
it silent poxbursts u
sharp zodiac
It'll find a way
flat marsh
Okay 096, but you then die and get revived, or it's one of those teleporters that break you down and beam over the matter
ripe quest
You can't just whataboutisms an SCP that's not how it works
If it says you die you will die
simple
light osprey
does the chain sword kinda suck?
flat marsh
No
light osprey
my skill issue then
flat marsh
Yes
keen thorn
chainsword feel like one of the best swords in the game imo
hushed agate
The chain weapons are goated
light osprey
i was using the Mk V axe before
flat marsh
Light spam for horde clear
reef pewter
the chcain swords feel too aggresively versatile for my taste
light osprey
been having a losing streak while leveling zealot, twice in a row attempting the same mission with randos that manage to run past med stations when they have no health
delicate shadow
I find chain weapons uninteresting lol
hushed agate
Well i mean that is there purpose
keen thorn
Is this Ironhelm usable don't know how bad this defense stat actually is?
light osprey
I leveled ogryn first and its fun af
delicate shadow
it's usable
light osprey
but i switch to zealot and oof
delicate shadow
might be a bit rough but it's usable
light osprey
taking Ls all over
flat marsh
Is this Ironhelm usable don't know how bad this defense stat actually is?
Defense isn't that important, but you probably lost a Dodge
reef pewter
Is this Ironhelm usable don't know how bad this defense stat actually is?
I'd wait for better, but it has high stats in what I'd say are the most important
hushed agate
but i switch to zealot and oof
Going from being 6 foot to 5 foot is pretty jarring but youll get used to it
reef pewter
Defense isn't that important, but you probably lost a Dodge
pretty sure defences doesnt affect dodge count
north sedge
You lost a dodge
flat marsh
It does
north sedge
It does
reef pewter
dodge speed, push cost, sprint cost iirc
no it was dodge distance not speed
4th is dodge count then?
light osprey
idk, i've been getting unlucky with team mates too
north sedge
Yea, but you only need 50% for max dodge count
rose flower
Love trying new weapons cause I’ll be like
“I never used the combat axes much. I’ll try those…”
2 minutes later
“So I love the rashad axe”
calm salmon
Going from being 6 foot to 5 foot is pretty jarring but youll get used to it
Ogryn is 10 feet tall
if not more
kinda underselling how jarring the difference is
he's literally twice as tall as a max height character
hushed agate
Ogryn is 10 feet tall
Was joking
calm salmon
its always weird dying on ogryn and spectating someone who is minimum height
you go from lebron james to danny devito
calm salmon
It honestly explains the melee weakspot stats I see though at the end of matches
I'll have a 40-60% rate on all my umies and ogryn
but then randos will have 4%
reef pewter
he's literally twice as tall as a max height character
at max height maybe
calm salmon
literally too short to hit heads
calm salmon
at max height maybe
max height ogryn is 2 inches taller than min height
ogryn has a functionally 0 difference between the two
fading vale
but then randos will have 4% <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
no dude every shit build trashtalker here has a 95% solo win rate on auric+
trust me bro
lone pecan
So we make Zealots as small as possible to let the Vet hit elites in the horde, but we make the Ogryn as tall as possible to block all the shots, correct?
calm salmon
lean lark
I did a blindfold keyboard-less solo auric burgled monstrous maelstorm while performing a heart surgery
So I'm better than everyone at darktide for the next 50 years
fading vale
yeah game way too easy duh
calm salmon
I actually think it is
But I'm also good at the game so its hard to have an honest opinion
painge
solar gorge
I won an auric maesltrom while i was ungoing brain surgery
lean lark
can't believe the game that lets you deal enough dmg to kill every enemy in one shot at max difficulty is easy
calm salmon
the problems of balancing
fading vale
But I'm also good at the game so its hard to have an honest opinion <:Sitgryn:10...
oh shut up, you only use busted shit
calm salmon
oh shut up, you only use busted shit
hey that's not true :(
I use me shovel and knife on vet
with stealth no less
lean lark
shovel is busted
fleet zealot
isnt' shovel busted?
calm salmon
I use the old shovel on vet
lean lark
I've seen what it does
calm salmon
not the new one
fading vale
well all vet range is kinda busted
calm salmon
mk3
fleet zealot
alright fair
fleet zealot
well all vet range is kinda busted
this is true
calm salmon
I do use an autoclicker on the mg4 though
fleet zealot
old is consistent
calm salmon
with uh
the headshot keystone and counterfire
kinda fun
I lose a lot of hp cause I gigafocus on ranged
fleet zealot
it is the jack of all trades tool, but the new ones do it better cause they can do everything and do funny activated oneshots
calm salmon
instead of meleeing when I should be
calm salmon
I do use an autoclicker on the mg4 though
there's no way I'm doing 9 clicks per second a whole match.
I CAN
I just refuse to
fleet zealot
fading vale
I will agree the balance is all out of whack and there's a lot of potential for power creep
fleet zealot
same with me and the HH autoguns
calm salmon
Though everything on ogryn is busted but the rumbler
and I guess the krourk cleaver
so hard to comment there
lean lark
the only class that isn't super busted is psyker
calm salmon
but I use everything on vet and zealot
solar gorge
and the krourk stubber
calm salmon
and psyker is just trauma staff, dueling sword/deimos, brainburst
and I refuse to dabble in anything else
cause its just not fun to me
fading vale
did you see Steve under cover
lean lark
funnily enough psyker is probably the most balanced class in terms of power
lean lark
well if you don't count gunker
fading vale
I mean, DS4 is one of the silliest melee
light holly
funnily enough psyker is probably the most balanced class in terms of power
When gunpsyker comes into the room
calm salmon
100% crit rate is totally balanced we promise
lean lark
but every build has the ugly duckling
light holly
calm salmon
I mean, DS4 is one of the silliest melee
Uh
lean lark
vet has stealth, zealot has piety, psyker has scriers, ogryn has old nade
calm salmon
its only broken by uncanny strike tbh
lean lark
every class got it's ugly duckling
solar gorge
vet stealth good tho
fading vale
uncanny and BM need to be deleted
solar gorge
vet's ugly duckling would be smokes
calm salmon
but yeah, delende est brutal momentum
solar gorge
that's not what they meant I think
north sedge
uncanny and BM need to be deleted
Ok we hear you, let's combine the two blessings....
reef pewter
apparently. shout is way the hell better lol
solar gorge
because old ogryn nade is shit
calm salmon
reef pewter
that's not what they meant I think
judging by the other listed ducklings, I think it is
fading vale
well the biggest issue with shout is vet cooldown
lean lark
that's not what they meant I think
ugly ducklings can be anything
it's just the polar opposite
calm salmon
shout should not have been buffed to 30 seconds
solar gorge
shrodinger's duckling
calm salmon
that was a massive mistake, and fatshark overreacting to bad players
reef pewter
well the biggest issue with shout is vet cooldown
it's the shortest cooldown and closest to the ability cooldown passive
calm salmon
a 60 second cooldown would be reasonable on shout
fading vale
but also cooldown on elite/special kill
calm salmon
30 is infuriating
fading vale
is just dumb
native cargo
Ew
lean lark
they're having fun
native cargo
Malice and heresy
solar gorge
It's getting tiring to see every vet i match with run shout ngl
calm salmon
they're having fun
debateable if they thought 45 seconds was too long on shout
calm salmon
It's getting tiring to see every vet i match with run shout ngl
part of this is shout
part of this is that its just the objectively best pathing through the tree
vet's tree still sucks
¯_(ツ)_/¯
solar gorge
fucking smokes
calm salmon
You get invulnerability AND infinite damage going down middle tree
solar gorge
right path is so cursed
fading vale
also a lot of the best talents like cooldown stuff scale non linearly with difficulty
calm salmon
cause you save points to flex into rending and onslaught
native cargo
At this point I don't seek balance because idk if FS is ever gonna do it so I just seek unnecessary amount of slaughter
lean lark
if I'm playing aurics and I get some like guy using a bad build or bad weapons I will bombard them with constructive criticism, and if their rebuttal is jackassery they get barreled off the map and never picked up
calm salmon
box is bad
fading vale
everything is ass in comparison to nukes
solar gorge
it's horrible truely
calm salmon
mostly because the nades don't kill anything unless they're already basically dead
light holly
Its like a rock + clusters
native cargo
Writing this down
calm salmon
I do run Ogryn 2.0, as I like to call it.
spare dome
non regenerating tho
calm salmon
cause feel no pain
lean lark
That's about it
light holly
Rock is goated
solar gorge
Bull butcher mk3, grenadier gauntlet, box
That's exactly my "legacy" ogryn build lmao
calm salmon
and I get slam and soften them up
lean lark
It's funny
light holly
Kills all mutants 1 hit
fading vale
wow cool the rock kills muties but oh wait SO DOES FUCKING EVERY MELEE NOW
lean lark
nuke is very good, very useful and very fun
light holly
wow cool the rock kills muties but oh wait SO DOES FUCKING EVERY MELEE NOW
Well thats okay
fading vale
no
calm salmon
wow cool the rock kills muties but oh wait SO DOES FUCKING EVERY MELEE NOW
ogryn's don't, to be fair.
Takes awhile
light holly
I think melee has always killed mutants pretty good before
lean lark
wow cool the rock kills muties but oh wait SO DOES FUCKING EVERY MELEE NOW
you mean every melee and 70% of ranged
native cargo
wow cool the rock kills muties but oh wait SO DOES FUCKING EVERY MELEE NOW
But its a rock
spare dome
sure but not every melee ragdolls them the same way
light holly
Nothing changed
delicate shadow
just run throwing knives on ogryn
fading vale
Heavy swords seemingly always could 1 tap mutants
not until patch 13 no
light holly
just run throwing knives on ogryn
I want ogryn knives but they're throwing machetes
lean lark
not until patch 13 no
no they could
fading vale
well
lean lark
you needed a crit for it though
solar gorge
rock allow you to ignore the nade economy so
fading vale
not for free
light holly
Ih no yeah
native cargo
I've played this game enough on crusher that I can get a 50/50 shot of sending a hound flying right when they start the pounce animation
fading vale
I just want muties to be a threat again and for someone with a small pokey stick not to 1 shot them at lightning speed
solar gorge
I need to play more with throwing knives
calm salmon
I just want muties to be a threat again and for someone with a small pokey stick...
dueling sword stopping them with a headshot
makes sense we promise
just get rid of mutants melee weakness
delicate shadow
game is, in fact, too easy now
fading vale
2 caxe lights
calm salmon
so they just have 4000hp raw
light holly
I just want muties to be a threat again and for someone with a small pokey stick...
Hmm
light holly
I mean its the issue that if a mutant does it either does nothing
Or throws you into fire
Its a combo disabler
Also people just
Get to a wall
Do it doesn't slam them anymore
lean lark
mutants should have a x2 mult instead of a *3
solar gorge
it's the tankiest looking specialist but the squishiest save for the bomber and sniper that's kinda stupid yeah
fading vale
the only times muties are remotely a threat is when there are 40000 of them at a difficult time
delicate shadow
last time I played DT was before christmas lol
fading vale
otherwise they are fodder
lean lark
they should make mutie wave maelstorm have max HP muties
calm salmon
instead of right
solar gorge
i remember when it took 2 hours to kill 3 mutants
calm salmon
but that said
solar gorge
and they were a big annoyance
fading vale
I remember when I had a purpose to making my hammer 1 shot muties when other things couldn't
lean lark
I remember when I had a purpose to making my hammer 1 shot muties when other thi...
good times
solar gorge
yeah back then with thammer it felt so good to be the guy that one shots the mutants
it's my job
I one kill mutant
native cargo
game is, in fact, too easy now
Yeah it can be. I'm still at a point where for example if I'm using hsword I'm still trying to figure out how to duel a bulwark efficiently because I hate their near perfect shields
fading vale
it did indeed feel amazing
native cargo
Bulwarks
lean lark
when that niche thing went away I instantly looked for a different weapon to use
native cargo
Amirite
lean lark
the boss dmg wasn't really all that useful back then since bolter existed (and still does) so I dropped it and played different classes altogether
delicate shadow
bulwarks should go back to being able to have a 360 degree block
native cargo
Hsword scratches the back of a mutie and it dies
lean lark
now I'm coping over what used to be, by using the best weapon combo for zealot
delicate shadow
and they should spam more of them with flamers
native cargo
They should spam crushers and maulers cus clearly they're husbands and wives just chilling
fading vale
hammer is all around much better now just uh, ass vs maniacs without special and can be annoying for melee elite packs
native cargo
And out on a walk
fading vale
idk why the maniac damage is so bad
solar gorge
i'd like the director to do less bulwark trains and place them in like duos or trios to assits other ennemies
lean lark
I tried a game with my old thammer build
It felt a bit sloppy
Higher enemy density kind of makes it be less effective than it used to
solar gorge
clears hordes better now tho doesn't it
lean lark
yeah
fading vale
you just have to try really hard
lean lark
Very noticeable
delicate shadow
just play bg3 instead :))))
native cargo
Incan
solar gorge
like before no matter what you do, it would only kill 1 thing max
lean lark
but what's also noticeable is the elite horde ttk
fading vale
and definitely use all your available utility
native cargo
Nom
north sedge
Just play like stan and trains won't be an issue (can't see em)
native cargo
I ate you incan you are lunch
light holly
hammer is all around much better now just uh, ass vs maniacs without special and...
I mean it depends at the end of the day what BP you need
Also isn't like hammer
Just kinda insane
Because of 1 tapping daemon hosts
solar gorge
unlike when I play crusher and barely ever switch off of it whole match
light holly
It's no wonder you can one tap mutants
fading vale
I mean it's solid but, maulers ragers and crushers in packs can be a bit problematic
you absolutely need your ranged and chastise in combination with hammer to handle them
solar gorge
exactly
lean lark
Mostly why I cope with hsword
solar gorge
needs smarter plays
lean lark
It's pretty easy to use and gives you 140%
solar gorge
while crusher just takes a dump on everything
light holly
Hsword does struggle with crooshers though, least the way I played recently
Had to eeq out special attacks and shove attacks, and force overheads for weakpoint hits
lean lark
well
shy river
being able to vanish DHs and chaos spawn with thammer always makes me happy
light holly
Hmm
lean lark
if I want to go full braindead brainrot I'd use caxe
that literally fucking kills everything
light holly
I'll keep my peeled for the stagger window
light holly
that literally fucking kills everything
Rashad my beloved
fading vale
yeah existence of caxe just deeply saddens me
solar gorge
M1 is the only key Rashad users ever use
fleet zealot
no i didn't
lean lark
hsword still requires me to have some brain activity by switching to my ranged or using my dash to stagger things or using immo for bulwarks
solar gorge
bulwark start is also the special for me
special into heavy solves a lot of problems
lean lark
I have been tempted many times to run kantrael so I can stop using immos everytime bulwarks appear
But then I get reminded that bolter can deal 20k+ dmg to bosses in one mag in like 3s
shy river
M1 is the only key Rashad users ever use
wrong, sometimes I hold block (to do a push M1)
lean lark
so I keep using bolter
solar gorge
don't let the Rashadois discover new tech
obtuse solstice
But then I get reminded that bolter can deal 20k+ dmg to bosses in one mag in li...
why do you immo bulwarks if you have bolter 
fleet zealot
delicate shadow
just crack em open with crusher 🙂
lean lark
rather kns
native cargo
fleet zealot
ughh
gray ice
Crack open a 6 pk of bulwarks with the bois
fleet zealot
why did i volunteer for my 3rd character to be a healer
solar gorge
If you kindly tell bulwarks to open up they will lower their shield
fleet zealot
gotta level a paladin cause it's my favorite healer class
gray ice
why did i volunteer for my 3rd character to be a healer
On what
mystic ether
why did i volunteer for my 3rd character to be a healer
Yeah. Why did you?
native cargo
Because you care ferret (fatal flaw)
fleet zealot
world of warcraft, classic season of discovery
mystic ether
Oh, welp. Enjoy that shit lmao.
gray ice
world of warcraft, classic season of discovery
You happen to be a masochist, it's fine.
I play retail
mystic ether
I played classic for maybe a few weeks, saw what people saw in the game and bounced. Don't have the time for that and I'd ratherj ust play on a private server for that.
And even, then, eh, I think I'm just done with wow period. No other reason than "I'm tired"/
lol
mystic ether
No shade to anyone else, if I want to do all my classic like class upkeep stuff with the immersive shit I can just play a well made immersive sim or like idk read a book or something.
ember yew
game is, in fact, too easy now
but after FS bumped spawns by x5+ , people started to scream even at normal heresy and damnation, so in general i doubt they can make current things harder, so i expect some hardmodes like Twins (i.e. with new content)
native cargo
I tried getting to wow but my mom actually saw one of those game addiction videos when I was a kid and it had wow in the video. So I got saved by that video thank fuck
mystic ether
You've been got, dare I say, gotted.
light holly
but after FS bumped spawns by x5+ , people started to scream even at normal here...
FS realizes the different difficulty need different balancing for sure
Hence why some lower difficulties got easier
cerulean pike
Temporary tattoos are neat
mystic ether
I tried getting to wow but my mom actually saw one of those game addiction video...
Realistically, a lot of games running the pay to play or free to play/ftp models are running on the assumption that you're going to get hooked on them.
ember yew
also, if they make things harder again with crap rewards, that's no fun too
mystic ether
It's just a matter of fucks given + engagement tools to keep you around.
delicate shadow
they need to reduce enemy spam, improve the threat of individual enemies, reduce player power and try to focus on more grounded and engaging combat
light holly
I'm in the opinion that FS balances weapons for damnation
Because max enemy health BP matters only in damnation
native cargo
Temporary tattoos are neat
cerulean pike
mystic ether
I wouldn't know tbh.
fleet zealot
FShark is in balance hell
sterile dune
they need to reduce enemy spam, improve the threat of individual enemies, reduce...
Eh thats exactly the opposite of what people want when playing a horde game...
light holly
people dont want individual enemies stronger
Didn't we have a patch where they literally reduced enemy spawns and increased health?
ember yew
they need to reduce enemy spam, improve the threat of individual enemies, reduce...
thats sound like Vermintide 1, but we ended up with call of duty action, maybe a modifier for Auric that do something like that
cerulean pike
Enemy spawns no. Increased health yes
mystic ether
I'm of the camp in my own head that games like this aren't going to be functionally balanced in a way that isn't going to require the kind of cycles of tweaking to get there.
delicate shadow
yes because 5 bulwarks and a train of crushers is so fun 😴
onyx solar
yes because 5 bulwarks and a train of crushers is so fun 😴
only fun when you have a plasma vet on your team
fleet zealot
Didn't we have a patch where they literally reduced enemy spawns and increased h...
we had a special modifier called elite resistance that was less enemies but enemies had higher damage/health and that was disliked
cerulean pike
Of course Incan would be running a train.
Whor-
mystic ether
It'll sound janky, but this isn't something that's supposed to be complete.
sterile dune
It is if you know how to handle it! I love a challenge, once you learn how to overcome it, it's rewarding
fleet zealot
now fatshark went the other way and is buffing spawns, which starts having an issue with massive eltie spawns and some peopel dont liek that
native cargo
Realistically, a lot of games running the pay to play or free to play/ftp models...
Makes me laugh to this day that a video about game addiction stopped me from playing wow.
delicate shadow
people dont want individual enemies stronger
there's a right way and a wrong way to do it
fleet zealot
gamers just unpleaseable i hope they find a good balance
delicate shadow
you can make enemies harder by giving them more engaging behaviours and movesets without needing to give them bullet sponge hp values
mystic ether
Makes me laugh to this day that a video about game addiction stopped me from pla...
It's wild when you know it's happening to some. Like I've barely ran into those types but it's a whole ass thing.
native cargo
I rather be able to see and move
spare dome
unironically i do enjoy the thicc Crusher and Bulwark trains
native cargo
Some of them hordes man
spare dome
its just when they are nurgle blessed that im like heuuugh
native cargo
It's wild when you know it's happening to some. Like I've barely ran into those ...
It is which I feel sorry for. v.v
delicate shadow
also the spawn buffs weren't due to responses to elite resistance, it was due to having to try to keep up with how cracked the player-side powercreep got with skill trees
gray ice
I'm fine with packs of shotgunners, though they should get tuned it's mostly bulwark and crusher trains that bug me
delicate shadow
so now we're in a vicious cycle of powercreeping back and forth until the AI director shits itself
fleet zealot
i do really like the variant horde system
mystic ether
I thnk it fits well with the kind of war game adaptations that vermintide and darktide accomplish. I don't even play those kinds of strategy wars games but we're all individually controlling units with their own arrangements to go through x part of something that'd be in a campaign in a tradtional war game strat game.
fleet zealot
like getting flanked by elites, or having the normal horde spotted with melee eliets
light holly
we had a special modifier called elite resistance that was less enemies but enem...
Ooooh
ember yew
also the spawn buffs weren't due to responses to elite resistance, it was due to...
well, because if you gonna nerf all classes now, it's gonna backfire, so they bumped up spawns and amount of specs enemies
native cargo
I thought I was dreaming when I saw a legit lunch line of shotgunners down a hallway in my last game
gray ice
I hate seeing coors cases of bulwarks, I'd like if there was some tuning of individual spawn types.
mystic ether
It is which I feel sorry for. v.v
Wait till you learn about how fucked it can actually get for ftp games and some of their implications for countries that have a much higher market for internet cafes.
delicate shadow
yea and bumping spawns causes the game to eventually start buckling due to cpu load
meager turret
I'd like the director not to spawn 2 trappers at the same location that follow the same path and merge into each other so we don't get hit with the double barrel trapper gun so much
native cargo
Not even on shock troop
mystic ether
ftp games are wonderful for that kind of a casino ring.
delicate shadow
so something has to give
light holly
I'm sure FS is aware about trying to balance player power with difficulty, alot of balance seems geared towards damantion anywhoo
fleet zealot
balance should always revolver around damnation/hardest difficulty tbh
mystic ether
Pay to play at the computer, have a set amount of stamina to play on said character, exhaust that stamina, play another character.
KMMORPG's are master classes in artifical engagement.
fleet zealot
balance outliers/fun ruiners in lower diffs
light holly
Well because like yeah you're right
mystic ether
KMMORPG's are master classes in artifical engagement.
But the ftp model wouldn't exist the same way were it not for the ptp model.
native cargo
KMMORPG's are master classes in artifical engagement.
gray ice
I mean audio buckling under sheer spawns is enough to say something has to get changed lol
light holly
Most of the guns are balanced towards damantion because nerfs won't be felt on the lower end imo
mystic ether
<:Cats:1099469371245596723>
Dude it's...bad. lol
plucky shuttle
what are the differences between shotguns?
light holly
And if spawns and adjustments need to be made for lower that's not too hard
mystic ether
I used to play them bitches regularly.
fleet zealot
kmmorpgs are just cringe
gray ice
I do love just how hectic auric can get but not when it literally breaks the game and I have stealth specials tryna ruin me
delicate shadow
like the game needs to be pulled back down to earth a bit imo, the current arcadeyness of the game is very unappealing to me. Don't get that adrenaline from it that made me love playing other tide games
fleet zealot
the only one I got into was Vindictus/Mabinogi heroes before it was ruined like everything nexon releases
mystic ether
kmmorpgs are just cringe
Some. They're a lot fun for things like dungeon fighter online, mabinogi, uh.
light holly
like the game needs to be pulled back down to earth a bit imo, the current arcad...
Gotta kill survivalist first and foremost
mystic ether
Vindictus was my monster hunter before I knew monster hunter existed you know?
light holly
😌
mystic ether
korean runescape if you ask me.
fleet zealot
like i tried playing BDO?
mystic ether
The combat was honestly the most interesting.
fleet zealot
and it just gave me an empty boring feeling
native cargo
like the game needs to be pulled back down to earth a bit imo, the current arcad...
But muh slash and daring doo!?!?!?
light holly
Lost ark was big hyped but uh, yeah its just not for me
fleet zealot
god now im gonna seethe and mald a bit over what happened to vindictus
gray ice
Speaking of free to play games. The finals is fuckin hitting for me
cerulean pike
mapulsitory
gray ice
I mean what do you expect it's nexon
cerulean pike
mapulsitory
mystic ether
Next to the roleplay community. People were really into it and the story for the game and everything else actually lent itself to that experience being enriched since a lot of people just kind of played the game to demonstrate what their character could do and folk would come up with all kinds of stories for why we're about to go run some ball busting dungeon at lower levels because you actually could beat it.
cerulean pike
maypulsitory
light holly
Nexon when they made Dave the Diver 🥹
gray ice
I liked blade and soul once upon a time
fleet zealot
IDK Man I fucking loved year 1 vindictus
reef pewter
like the game needs to be pulled back down to earth a bit imo, the current arcad...
I dont see your pov because this game is not arcadey and quite down to earth considering the setting
fleet zealot
i hit level cap and I practiced and practiced until i could solo raid bosses on Lann
mystic ether
i hit level cap and I practiced and practiced until i could solo raid bosses on ...
I was forced to solo blade lann for years growing up because my internet and machines made it impossible to play with groups.
I...
god.
gray ice
i hit level cap and I practiced and practiced until i could solo raid bosses on ...
I have a friend who could do that
mystic ether
@_@
delicate shadow
I dont see your pov because this game is not arcadey and quite down to earth con...
it's very arcadey compared to previous tide games
gray ice
The dual spear guy right
mystic ether
Fuck spear lann
gray ice
Think he still has vids on youtube
fleet zealot
lann had dual sword and dual spear fighting styles
mystic ether
that's for people that's insane
mystic ether
and geat at the game at the time lol
gray ice
It was pretty cool as someone that didn't play it really
light holly
And how vt2 is alot harder
fleet zealot
Fuck spear lann
ok as someone who played mostly sword, there is something fun about spin2spear
light holly
Melee focused, very punishing
mystic ether
ok as someone who played mostly sword, there is something fun about spin2spear
I'm not living like that.
I can't.
ember yew
Gotta kill survivalist first and foremost
dont touch my pocket vets
nerf ogryns instead
delicate shadow
well every class needs nerfs tbh
fleet zealot
pop thunderfury, spin until crit or stamina runs out
shy river
maypulsitory
Aren't the devs for that game getting sued for having gacha boxes with actually 0% chance for the rare drops or something like that
fleet zealot
never think, never dodge
fleet zealot
just spin
light holly
nerf ogryns instead
Why'd we do that 
fleet zealot
give ogryns the thugshot
mystic ether
just spin
pray that you actually know your positioning for attacks to not get one shot
lmao
zinc talon
it can be here with you
mystic ether
meanwhile, oh sword lann? unsure of your positioning? cancel that bitch and get a real dodge.
fleet zealot
like yea, sword lann with the iframe slides was hella high skill, maintaining your crit buff
light holly
You can only have temp HP by losing HP
delicate shadow
unmodded vt2 only gets up to normal damnation in terms of difficulty unless you include weaves but fuck those
light holly
And you can only get smacked at max 5 times by any small enemy
solar gorge
you regen temp health by breathing air
light holly
Even a slave rat with a spear lunge will slam you on legendary
light holly
I'm gonna also sit here and ignore cata becuase its too ball crushing
sharp zodiac
@zinc talon it changed and I was just getting a headache, still fun to play with you despite that headache
cerulean pike
Aren't the devs for that game getting sued for having gacha boxes with actually ...
Yes. Nexon. The player still played during the claim
delicate shadow
modded vt1 and vt2 are amazing imo
solar gorge
cata is piss easy
solar gorge
yeah
mystic ether
you regen temp health by breathing air
Unless you're running with a build mostly messing with elite kills in mind and are in a drought lol
delicate shadow
again, cata is like normal damnation
shy river
single skaven slave pokes me in ass with sharp stick, lose 60% hp
light holly
Hmmmm
mystic ether
:>
light holly
I'm not entirely convinced
light holly
Unless you have ways to reduce damage yeah the weakest slave rat will ruin you
mystic ether
VT2 at higher levels is easy as long as you're actually consistent.
native cargo
<@345858073233063966> it changed and I was just getting a headache, still fun to...
Franch
fleet zealot
cause some of the devs used to work at nexon so they just lawsuited and got it taken off steam
mystic ether
you're on zealot, just do it man.
light holly
Also because mass density in vt2 was a thing
ornate bone
you're on zealot, just do it man.
W+M1?
mystic ether
sort of.
delicate shadow
modded diffs are where it's at
mystic ether
There's more to it but it's a crux for the weapon.
light holly
Because it got too thick they forgot to take their turn
solar gorge
i don't like modded
gray ice
mystic ether
that's some SHIT
native cargo
I should play vt2 eventually
light holly
Maybe I should play more legend and cata vt2 and come back because I'm trying to play champ now and I'm hurting because I forgot everything
native cargo
Compare between dt and vt2
light holly
My muscle memory is in darktide rn
light holly
Second, my argument for vt2 being harder is that the specials are much more dangerous
north sedge
Play a real man's game, like Hello Kitty Island Adventure
delicate shadow
I haven't touched DT in like a month, I just find it boring atm
mystic ether
Compare between dt and vt2
Main thing to note with vt2 compared to darktide is that mobility is exclusive to certain subclasses. Also, mechanically, there's more going on with defense when it comes to something as simple as blocking.
ember yew
well vt2 is a 6 years old game already
light holly
Rating gunners are way scarier than reapers
ember yew
time goes by
light holly
And a plague sorc could swoop your entire team
fleet zealot
ehh not even dangerous
mystic ether
Yup.
gray ice
Play a real man's game, like Hello Kitty Island Adventure
Hello Kitty Roller Rescue was better
light holly
If you got caught it really fucked you up
fleet zealot
or pre fix sniper
light holly
Because it did like half hp
light holly
For a Slayer Barden with no range
fleet zealot
it wasn't even harder, just more bullshit
light holly
fleet zealot
throw your axe
light holly
throw your axe
When you play double melee Slayer bardin
mystic ether
Yeah, a lot of actually threatening units in vt2 get more dangerous when they're ignored/unable to address them in time for their danger to be in full swing.
light holly
And have to wait for your turn vs ratling gunners
fleet zealot
When you play double melee Slayer bardin
cope
light holly
I am 
fleet zealot
i mean, that is literally bombers, snipers etc
mystic ether
Khorne chaos waste blood tornado plus two plague sorcerers getting their vortex off when you can't do much about them?
oh man...
what a world.
fleet zealot
and partly flamers
delicate shadow
https://www.twitch.tv/incandescent_au/clip/ConfidentResoluteAppleWTRuck?filter=clips&range=all&sort=time we need this in tide games
light holly
I just thought they were easier to deal with in darktide
Because everyone and their mom has range
While some classes in vt2 have literally 0 range
Cause you're not a peasant
mystic ether
So many of the specialists in vt2 die in like 1 or 2 hits. They usuallyt serve more as a response check than something to dedicate your focus to at all times.
visual stream
Main thing to note with vt2 compared to darktide is that mobility is exclusive t...
Don't forget that which direction you dodge in VT2 is also entirely make or break for if you eat dirt or not
graceful bear
Yeah, a lot of actually threatening units in vt2 get more dangerous when they're...
when do you think theyll make the trapper run off and drag you with em in the net
mystic ether
this is before optimizing things.
light holly
So many of the specialists in vt2 die in like 1 or 2 hits. They usuallyt serve m...
It is really scarier if you have weapons made for horde clearing and no armour options
mystic ether
Don't forget that *which* direction you dodge in VT2 is also entirely make or br...
You still have the lunge tracking attacks in darktide, just maybe not as devastating.
light holly
Nothing feels scarier than tapping a rating gunner and you get a *ding
mystic ether
Since toughness works more like a halo shield than an extra health pool that's in constant flux.
native cargo
https://www.twitch.tv/incandescent_au/clip/ConfidentResoluteAppleWTRuck?filter=c...
That but its mom dragging you to dinner (american experience)
light holly
If you can't find an angle
😌
Like trappers have nothing on hook rats
I'd even go as far as to portray trappers like the soyjack and hook rats as the chads
mystic ether
It is really scarier if you have weapons made for horde clearing and no armour o...
to this day that's why you won't catch me not having at least one option in my kit to clap something with armor. Hell no.
I used to run like dual sword/swift bow kerillian waystalker just because. I've had to clutch so much shit in misery XD
mystic ether
Immediately went back to longbow.
zinc talon
MAX DODGE MAX MOVEMENT SPEAR HANDMAIDEN OFFTANK
reef pewter
Like trappers have nothing on hook rats
so what you're saying is vt was worse
light holly
light holly
https://www.twitch.tv/incandescent_au/clip/ConfidentResoluteAppleWTRuck?filter=c...
Lore accurate rating gunner
Lesgoo
light holly
so what you're saying is vt was worse <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090>
I mean
Vermintide has skaven
zinc talon
yeah I think so
mystic ether
I just want the versus alpha greenlight.
light holly
mystic ether
I'm not a streamer. Fuck them.
zinc talon
darktide is absolutely more drastic and desperate on itscombat
reef pewter
idk or care enough about Warhammer lore to know what Skaven means
ember yew
I used to run like dual sword/swift bow kerillian waystalker just because. I've ...
im like dual sword/long bow last 400 hours or something
mystic ether
Lemme play this shit
ember yew
reef pewter
funny rats I'm guessing tho
mystic ether
idk or care enough about Warhammer lore to know what Skaven means
rat dudes. that's all.
light holly
Yeah
native cargo
Lore accurate rating gunner
If it was lore accurate it woulda blown up after a few seconds of firing most likely
light holly
That's it
native cargo
C:
zinc talon
my bardin was almost +400
reef pewter
rats are certainly funnier
zinc talon
90% of that time breaking iron
zinc talon
when someone in The Squad wanted to play bardin it was straight to handmaiden postal delivery stabbing service
light holly
Love me doom wheels, love me warplock jezzails, love stealing Cathay technology
delicate shadow
jezzails are fuckin' cool
mystic ether
im like dual sword/long bow last 400 hours or something
It's fun for sure. If anything my safe weapon combos are usually sword/dagger w/ longbow/javelin/volley crossbow/hagbane. If I'm doing anything else just because, Kerillian just has a lot of things that aren't bad at all with dealing with armored units so that'll be when I drop those ranged options for a swift bow because swift bow is funny.
native cargo
Did jezzails ever make it into vt2 or are snipers exclusive to dt
ember yew
It's fun for sure. If anything my safe weapon combos are usually sword/dagger w/...
Javelin overnerfed now, rip
zinc talon
oh no
native cargo
Well damn
light holly
mystic ether
Javelin overnerfed now, rip
It still claps things they would before so idc too much. Recently got back into it too.
delicate shadow
having these in vt2 would be neat ngl
mystic ether
If I feel a certain way I just go back to thorns kerillian because fucked up nature magic is neat.
correction
Dubious nature magicks.
:>
light holly
They could do it for sure
native cargo
having these in vt2 would be neat ngl
Look at them. Actual team work with the ratties
ember yew
having these in vt2 would be neat ngl
dafaq
native cargo
Love to see it
light holly
I like the little rats in the corners
Just vibing
They ain't doing anything, maybe they're spotting but they're just little dooods
zinc talon
Big fuck you sniper rifles.
cerulean pike
Where my rat king at
native cargo
Actually cool since it's based off historic pike and shot era units
light holly
Love warhammer fantasy
fading vale
my impression of VT was, ok worse gameplay Than DT, wtf everything is a rat and there is magic, and oh ok I guess it's a more complete game then dt
mystic ether
I wanna play vermintide 2 but as a skaven
when's vs
give it to me.
GIVE ME THE VS LINK
light holly
visual stream
Man, I used to think I had something to complain about for flank attack noises sometimes not working, then I played Vermintide
Vermintide be giving you the flank attack ""warning"" after you tank the hit
light holly
They always played it was so fast though
mystic ether
Vermintide be giving you the flank attack ""warning"" after you tank the hit
OIh no, that's you about to catch another one lmao
light holly
You'd have to block before you even saw what was smacking you