indignatus crusher
#zealot-class
zinc talon
chain weapons will stun them while you saw
calm salmon
throwing knives
zinc talon
the crusher will put them on their ass
calm salmon
chainsword, chainaxe, eviscerator
twilit otter
heavy sword IX and revolver
zinc talon
lead in with the alternate attack
calm salmon
chastise the wicked
slash fury of the faithful
barren rock
Thank you all for responding❤️
zinc talon
your attack opportunity refreshes every subsequent hit
twilit otter
i can deal with 1/2 no problem
zinc talon
flamer puffs
your alternate attack will reach further than they do
and will kmnock them out of their attack animation if they're in it
or make em stop dead if they aren't
lilac bone
Brauto.
zinc talon
you can use that to slap them backwards as you give ground
work em down as you work back to cohesion
rager attacks are also pretty low stamina to block
long as you're facing them
ragers also refresh their jostle animation each attack you hit em with after the first, actually staggering blow
so you can whomp em then taptaptap as long as you hit em faster than they find their footing
lilac bone
Opinion on knives Okri? If you are a good shot you can drop elites extremely quickly. Back peddling and aiming for headshots is a thing.
zinc talon
they also push out of their attack animations if you push when they're recovering from the last attack before they swing the next
sure
several weapons just shine when you have to give ground as you fight
a big thing about that
what kills you isn't ten things in your face
it's four things, all attacking in their own personal timing
what an aoe CC stagger will do
is put a timestamp on the start of all their stagger animations
so they all end up recovering about the same time too
last fjord
Do you have any recommandations for a ranged weapon to deal with bosses ?
zinc talon
then, the crucial part
they all have to jockey for position to swing at you
and only one or two will at a time
so you've effectively pushed reset on all their individual attack timings
and forced em to come at you one or two at a time like a martial arts movie
zinc talon
Do you have any recommandations for a ranged weapon to deal with bosses ?
magdumping a bolter will always get you 30% of a boss's health
flamer's good for bosses too
slow firing weapons get put at a disadvantage with bosses like spawns and demons because they're so agile
the heftier reload times become more dangerous
skullcrusher and thunderstrike won't work cuz they don't stagger except for gimmicks
but brittleness helps everyone
polar nexus
yeah flamer + bolter
polar nexus
an autogun with unyielding is not bad at all
zinc talon
if they'd just give me a plasma pistol
I wouln't have to make my own now would I
so whose fault is it really
ornate bone
plistol
cerulean pike
bro
i met a bomb voyage cosplayer, lethal company cosplayer and a Ryan gosling driver cosplayer
life is good
zinc talon
god I have been sitting here fellating myself with these cosmetics options for like half an hour
ornate bone
mentally urinating when your bladder's about to burst
zinc talon
^the ogryn's butcher
ornate bone
zinc talon
this's who comes along after the fight and quarters all the dead bodies for the ogryn to eat
ornate bone
zinc talon
and in actuality this is just a dressed up eviscerator 15
...or 2
well yknow either or
so you already know the groove but seeing the weapon catch on different attacks or just skullfuck some heretic's entire day
some of these chainsword using chainaxe weapon animations are even more violent than the weapon they come with
vivid hawk
finally got NR4
zinc talon
zinc talon
yeah this new suit cycle's really giving some good looks to the classes and the team as a whole
gives me the vibes of that anime about the guys in black armored gas masks with heavy waist secured heavy machineguns
something about riots and sewer tunnels and erasing people
illang: wolf brigade
welp
I know what suit I'm putting together next
I run an orphanage for disabled and developmentally delayed weaponry
the Warphanage
I take them in when nobody else will
these weapons are expensive, please donate today
all checks payable to Stabitat for Humanity
light holly
something about riots and sewer tunnels and erasing people
About an alternate future where the nazis win the war, and we follow the wolf brigade to figure out its origin and its ultimate goals
Very good would recommend
zinc talon
I tried, but the actual plot and story about a guy processing his PTSD while we process what's occured didn't fit very well with covid lockdowns lol
after a bit I was like somebody shoot somebody and turned it off
light holly
Yeeah maybe not the ideal timing
zinc talon
man this helmet totally fucks with the new outfit as well
light holly
God damnn
zinc talon
cerulean pike
did you get pics with any of em
fading vale
either deathspitter or full bore for no respite
verbal thunder
Got it mate, ty
gray ice
siiick
royal vortex
gray ice
bonbon ain't the wrong poxwalker and had an eruption
median steeple
Poor bro needs some tums
cerulean pike
First furry convention was neat
gray ice
gray ice
Poor bro needs some tums
do they have industrial grade
cerulean pike
gray ice
The other 284 after that had it coming though
Brotherhood of blood best covenant though
dry sierra
been running the columnus now for a few auric damnation games,,, i get why people like it. even with abysmal stability on mine, (as someone mentioned) after the initial kick its very easy to stay on target at medium/long range
native cargo
I
got done playing a game where I finally thought the players I've been with are bad
its
My brain hurts
gray ice
take a breather buddy
you'll be alright, it's post-game shock hitting
and yes columus (IAG I assume) fucks. love that thing
dry sierra
and yes columus (IAG I assume) fucks. love that thing
yup. still looking for the 2nd blessing on it,, and not tried the Braced variant yet (tho i had a braced agri, and was not a big fan)
fading vale
agri brauto is one of the strongest weapons
you just don't really brace it much
and dance of death is nice with it
but yeah also columnus IAG is cracked
gray ice
columnus brauto is decent but IAG is next level
dry sierra
the one i had was one i got after a game, so no idea if it was a good roll.
but it was near impossible to hit anything at medium distance if not braced xD
fading vale
should be pretty easy to hit anything out to like 25-30m without doing too much, also crouch tap fire is good
gray ice
well it's a close range weapon, you need dance of death if you want to fire at the ranged I'm imagining you are
it's fantastic for the range you should be playing at as a zealot
fading vale
also anoint buffs ranged damage out to 30m (scales down linearly from 8m to 30)
dry sierra
could easily just have been a bad roll, and my first experience with autoguns in this game (since beta at least)
but after rolling a decent columnus, i have my personal favorit of the two (might try to roll an agri at some other point)
fading vale
you want a brauto like this, ideally higher ammo of course
dry sierra
will keep my eyes open for one ^_^
fading vale
ammo not much of an issue since the buff, that's an old screenshot
dry sierra
might find one while working on my psykers penances, done with vet and zealot now
fading vale
psyker doesn't get brauto
stable cypress
a bit tragic tbh
empty quarry
What exactly is close range?
stable cypress
iirc 8 meters but that might've changed, and since it's fatshark it might change between blessings/effects that say "close range" idk lol
still quartz
It's 8 meters
tidal berry
practically melee range
blazing fossil
lol thats like 30' not very close range
still quartz
8m is actually pretty generous
stable cypress
yeah lol
still quartz
Back then it was double that, 15m
calm salmon
The most boggling aspect of that is that ogryn has a 5 meter reach on melee
still quartz
With Fire Frenzy + Deathspitter you could mow down an entire incoming horde xd
calm salmon
with things like the eviscerator you have a ~3.5m reach
Its really fucking stupid that "Close Range" got nerfed from 15 meters to 8 
calm salmon
Hey
Hey you
You see that guy
If you shoot him, you get 10% more damage within 8 meters that stacks 5 times
but I can just melee him with my axe
SHOOT HIM
calm salmon
its uh. . . confusing and kind of shows(If its not a mistake) that someone in the combat team doesn't actually understand the combat
tidal berry
yeah let me just waste ammo in the range where my melee will cleave the enemy
''but your weapon is for big targets''
ember yew
still quartz
I only justify showering a horde with a gun if it's a mixed horde with a few too many Ragers and Maulers to handle with just melee
calm salmon
even with the perfect buffs
you can kill two crushers per magazine
regardless of the gun - with fury of the faithful
still quartz
Sometimes it just happens
tidal berry
Its the kind of dumb dumb that only veteran gets away with
calm salmon
eh, the only class that can actually just braindead shoot crushers is ogryn
and that's only with point blank barrage
ember yew
you can kill two crushers per magazine
headhunter IX can kill 3+3 if you aim at the head, but this requires crushes walking into you, so you can easily aim for the head
calm salmon
headhunter IX can kill 3+3 if you aim at the head, but this requires crushes wal...
yeah but no self-respecting zealot is gunna use a headhunter 
still quartz
My Thunder Hammer's honest reaction to that information:
ember yew
tidal berry
eh, the only class that can actually just braindead shoot crushers is ogryn
nah you can do it on vet, just need right talents
umbral kindle
eh, the only class that can actually just braindead shoot crushers is ogryn
Nah, vet with the brittleness stacking talent
calm salmon
nah you can do it on vet, just need right talents
No, even with a FULL counterfire tree
its a waste of time and ammo
still quartz
yeah but no self-respecting zealot is gunna use a headhunter <:KEKW_ogryn:102207...
I said that Headhunter wasn't that good on Zealot and Exhil nearly clowned on me for it
calm salmon
unless you're using a helbore
still quartz
:c
ember yew
eh, the only class that can actually just braindead shoot crushers is ogryn
- vet with plasma*
tidal berry
I think a better way for low finesse guns is to unironically grab focus mark
calm salmon
Even plasma gun is reliant on critical hits
~700-800 damage isn't exactly stellar
when each shot is 3 ammo and you only have 200
ember yew
i had 2 plasma vets yesterday, crushers and bulwarks just evaporated
i never got into the melee
tidal berry
plasma is rather busted rn
ember yew
calm salmon
plasma is rather busted rn
its just the finesse modifiers on light attacks
it should be 0%
ember yew
so i was just sitting there scratching my nose and farming trash mobs
calm salmon
so:
Body shot - Headshot - Body Critical - Weakspot Critical
all do the same exact damage
tidal berry
its just the finesse modifiers on light attacks
I was thinking maybe it should only have the kind of pen it does on heavier hits
but Idk honestly
I dont use it a lot
so I'm not gonna suggest what would balance it
I'm more of a bolter enjoyer
calm salmon
so:
Body shot - Headshot - Body Critical - Weakspot Critical
all do the same...
and it should only have 2 or 3 cleave on uncharged attacks
I guess 50% charge
still quartz
I just use whatever the fuck
calm salmon
because of the minimum charge mechanic
umbral kindle
Boring
still quartz
Brain too hurty trying to explain strats
tidal berry
and it should only have 2 or 3 cleave on uncharged attacks
even thats generous cleave tbh
calm salmon
I mean
its a fuckin plasma gun
3 cleave is fine
just buff elites hitmass up
which is something that needs to happen anyway
tidal berry
yeah but I think you'd expect it to scale with how much you charged your shot
tidal berry
I'd kill for 1/3 of that pen on my helbore
desert vessel
shotgunners could use a mass buff I agree
royal vortex
shotgunners could use a p decent buff in general
calm salmon
uh
The best way to buff them is to do weird AI shenanigans
so they always stagger fire
so when they come in groups, you outright can't dodge them
tidal berry
shotgunners are fine stat wise?
calm salmon
because ONE of them will catch you at the end of it
royal vortex
the only threatening part about them is the knockback rn
desert vessel
they also just never take cover or position well
tidal berry
they are kept out of the gunner resist curio aswell
calm salmon
I mean, you camp the mid event elite spawns on commsplex right Josho?
since it makes it easier for the team, and stat padding or something I dunno
royal vortex
it doesn't matter if i camp them or not i literally just don't take damage from shotgunners
calm salmon
But when that wave of 10 spawns, if you don't fuck em up immediately they just delende est your HP
shotgunners have the damage en masse
tidal berry
you realize shotgunners are like
royal vortex
like it's super not hard to kill them
calm salmon
they just all shoot at exactly the same time
royal vortex
but they're also just not threatening to deal with ever
gunners at least can suppress and pin u down somewhat if u let them get set up
calm salmon
so if you dodge one, you dodge all of their shots to an infinitely high amount
royal vortex
a shotgunner walks up to me and i get one step closer to a yellow highlighted number
umbral kindle
Shotgunners are for making the yummy elite kill sound effect
tidal berry
not every class has 3 abilities all of which disable shotgunners from shooting you
calm salmon
not every class has 3 abilities all of which disable shotgunners from shooting y...
uh
no
royal vortex
not a concern on any of them
tidal berry
well what do you do with exec veteran
calm salmon
literally all 4 classes have ways to delete shotgunners as a threat
tidal berry
you shoot them one by one
royal vortex
i mean u can bring a bolter/iag/lasgun etc that doesn't really have an rof issue
tidal berry
not every weapon is plasma/revolver either
desert vessel
they have like baby hp pools
tidal berry
you're asking to balance the game around like, edge case loadouts
tidal berry
game spawns like 10-15 of them in a pack
calm salmon
Veteran: Counterfire, Voice of Command, Stealth
Psyker: Shock Staff, Trauma Staff, Assail, Electro-Palpatine Mode
Zealot: Chastise, Crozius, Stealth, Stun Grenades, Fire Grenades
Ogryn: Bullrush, point blank barrage, taunt, rock, box, nuke, literally any of their guns due to hilarious stagger values
royal vortex
a headhunter too fucks em up u dont really need cleave
calm salmon
so on and so forth
tidal berry
its a human sized ranged elite
sonic totem
What's a good heavy sword to invest in?
tidal berry
I dont get the expectation
royal vortex
a brauto literally just makes shotgunner packs dissipates
stable cypress
What's a good heavy sword to invest in?
mk9
royal vortex
i expect an elite enemy to pose a threat to me in a meaningful way
obvs if u spawn like, 1 shotgunner or w/e it's nothing
but they dont even feel threatening as a force multiplier unless u get pingponged around into something else from the knockback
sonic totem
Thamk
royal vortex
and that's not even shotgunner unique
tidal berry
None of the enemies in this game pose a threat by just itself?
royal vortex
are u reading what i am saying
desert vessel
gunners have decent ai too tbh, they position at distance , run away from you . have sustained fire etc
tidal berry
you can make this argument for pretty much all of them except maybe disablers
royal vortex
like a swarm of ragers
royal vortex
is a serious "i have to consider this" moment
because a swarm of ragers is like, alright these guys are gonna run at me and take space
shotgunners is like ah ok this bruiser has 500 more hp
and if i have a surv vet or am the surv vet i normally get a net gain from killing a shotgunner
still quartz
royal vortex
because a rager runs at you and swings with undodgeable attacks
tidal berry
keep distancee
royal vortex
and you have to start backpedaling and focus the ragers
tidal berry
shotgunner has a much bigger range and will not shout at you
still quartz
With Shotgunners you just dodge harder
I mean I remember back when this game first came out
calm salmon
like I said above, shotgunners are defeated with the dodge button
royal vortex
but u can also just dodge their attacks and plink them super easy cuz they have two of the armor types everyone builds to kill or deals with well already
still quartz
Those bastards were obliterating Toughness in one shot
calm salmon
and hold mouse 1
still quartz
It was dirty asf xd
calm salmon
there's no skill required to their antics
desert vessel
the most a shotgunner will to do to you is knockback, and itl always set itself up as a very easy target
royal vortex
they also don't take space very well
calm salmon
just. . . shooty bang bang
royal vortex
like 4 crushers or maulers
is taking space from you
4 shotgunners is a very mild inconvenience at best
still quartz
This chat too big brain for me
tidal berry
so are 4 ragers
royal vortex
at a distance they don't do much due to falloff
desert vessel
4 of any elite are always more dangerous than 4 shotgunners right now
royal vortex
so its like
tidal berry
only time I'm afraid of ragers is when they pop behind me out of nowhere
royal vortex
these guys aren't good close up for taking space as a melee elite
tidal berry
at which point a shotgunner would also demolish me
royal vortex
i mean games ez rn yea
tidal berry
every single enemy in this game, in a vacuum its just simplistic and easy
royal vortex
but shotgunners aren't even something i have to consider
tidal berry
even bosses
especially bosses
though when you brute force an enemy to be ''difficult''
royal vortex
but the point is shotgunners are the easiest by a good margin
tidal berry
you get bullshit like DH
tidal berry
DH is everything wrong with enemy design
calm salmon
naw, DH is fine
royal vortex
i love the daemonhost
calm salmon
their spawn points are not
royal vortex
it's a way more interesting way to force alt paths than having to grab books/plasteel
tidal berry
Its an IQ test for your teammates that fucks up someone else who didnt do any wrong
royal vortex
and its great
tidal berry
thats not fine but we can gaslight each other into thinking it is
royal vortex
i mean bursters exist as a way more problematic griefing tool
idiot teammates make everything way more frustrating
dhs don't feel disproportionately aggravating when the game has a bunch of annoying stuff people are allowed to do
tidal berry
only because dhs are a small portion of the game
if you designed everything like DHs
this game would have no players at this point
royal vortex
why would you design everything like daemonhosts..?
calm salmon
Did people bitch about the witch this much in l4d
Cause they're the same exact thing
royal vortex
i think literally every special has some way you can be griefed
calm salmon
even down to flashlights
tidal berry
witch is like... so much easier? lmao
royal vortex
ppl can drag overheads into you
tidal berry
how is it the same thing
royal vortex
etc
tidal berry
are you even paying attention .d
calm salmon
aggro witch
instantly downed
unless you played on the easiest difficulty in the game
where you could one-mag it with a shotgun
tidal berry
does it down your teammates and corrupt your entire teams hp?
no the dumb dumb who shoots witch gets downed
calm salmon
you can shoot the demonhost
tidal berry
you kill the witch
calm salmon
you know that right
calm salmon
you dont HAVE to melee it
sage river
you can shoot the demonhost
Not if you're horrible at aiming
tidal berry
yeah cause every gun is perfectly adequate at shooting the head of DH's dancing head
calm salmon
Not if you're horrible at aiming
literally a skill issue
desert vessel
whats the difference between a dreg and a scab shotgunner anyway
sage river
literally a skill issue
twas a joke mate
calm salmon
whats the difference between a dreg and a scab shotgunner anyway
armor type
flak everywhere on scab
flak and unarmored on dreg
desert vessel
cant tell tbh, their hp and mass is too low
calm salmon
so, in essence, ehp or effective health points
some weapons have DOGSHIT flak damage
like achlys stubber, shredder autopistol
etc
so they kill dreg shotgunners faster
desert vessel
give them flaming dot pellets or something and increase their hp/mass
tidal berry
shredder autopistol
probably has less range than those shotgunners
anyways
well maybe not on a zealot
but still
I guess if you're on a gun with equally efficient flak/unarmored you might not feel a difference
calm salmon
yeah SAP is another victim of the pinning fire nerf
now the graia brauto is objectively better in every single way
tidal berry
Its kind of in a sad place
calm salmon
and the graia brauto is awful
sage river
now the graia brauto is objectively better in every single way
Fatshit try not to make weapons irrelevant challenge:
stable cypress
just bring back unpatched shotgunners so the dozen shotty mobs can instantly down psykers thrice over imo
desert vessel
agri brauto on zealot is pretty solid
umbral kindle
IAGs are just kind of better
tidal berry
Its not a columnus
and agri braced I like it but it just kind of needs more ammo as a spam gun
calm salmon
columnus is only good because of the crit chains and you can't change my mind
desert vessel
id rather they look at shotties, except maybe kantrael
calm salmon
iag, specifically, I suppose
tidal berry
I shouldnt speak
hollow mantle
Agri braced slaps
royal vortex
tbf if u want a more ammo agri brauto the columnus brauto exists
calm salmon
pre patch 13
sage river
throwing more ammo is not a good way to make a gun interesting
Ogryns with their machine guns beg to disagree
calm salmon
where you get shit like the shredder autopistol clearing whole maps by itself
or bolter
tidal berry
Ogryns with their machine guns beg to disagree
its a balancing factor for ogy
their guns are really powerful
calm salmon
whereas right now that's plasma gun and revolver
tidal berry
what I find problematic is how survivalist is a veteran aura and not a base game feature guns are balanced around
royal vortex
cuz ppl would be like "buff everything to bolter/autopistol"
sage river
its a balancing factor for ogy
Ogryn gang oorah!
tidal berry
the idea that your ammo scales with intensity is a good one
the values are a little scuffed though
tidal berry
some weapons get too good of a value out of it
umbral kindle
Make elites or specials sometimes drop a small ammo pack, that'll scale with difficulty
tidal berry
care to explain why having ammo proportionate to intensity is bad
tidal berry
absolutely *nothing* in the game should scale infinitely
enemies do
calm salmon
Because it outright removes it as a difficulty factor
here's thing that will, no matter what, always give you infinite ammo
you could crank that shit to .1%
tidal berry
then you make the game into a speedrun contest
calm salmon
and half the guns are still ammo positive
tidal berry
or melee centric one
calm salmon
it completely breaks the game
calm salmon
so more weapons have sustain
tidal berry
numbers can be worked on
calm salmon
No
fuck off with this
survivalist is unsaveable
and needs to be outright deleted
sage river
so more weapons have sustain
Isn't that the point of survivalist?
calm salmon
And just go through and buff everything's ammo pool again
most guns don't even need a lot
its just problem things like bolter, plasma gun, grenadier gauntlet, rumbler, revolver give or take
could make an argument for rippers
tidal berry
are you saying it makes those guns OP
calm salmon
No, I'm saying it makes everything have infinite ammo
and always will
due to the insane spawn counts of elites and specials
the whole idea should be scrapped from top to bottom and forgotten about
sage river
Anyways, I think they should do a Ranger Bardin and, proportionately to the enemy differences between the games, have a chance to drop the small ammo packs on kills. This way it can be shared with everyone, but is rare enough to be a helpful but not necessarily needed perk
tidal berry
I dont see what about bringing a gun that runs out of ammo fast is interesting game design
sage river
I dont see what about bringing a gun that runs out of ammo fast is interesting g...
If it does a ton of damage
calm salmon
I dont see what about bringing a gun that runs out of ammo fast is interesting g...
WHY ARE YOU REFUSING TO SEE THAT THEY CAN SIMPLY BUFF AMMO POOLS
but no
tidal berry
If it does a ton of damage
Doesnt matter if it runs out of ammo in two gunner packs
calm salmon
keep infinite ammo instead
tidal berry
I dont see any of you mfs using recon
gray ice
that dunce cap is working overtime
calm salmon
I dont see any of you mfs using recon
I do
gray ice
balmy oak
just was in a consigmnent yard game, some guy bypassed the first security door and somehow jumped onto the landing pad?
sage river
WHY ARE YOU REFUSING TO SEE THAT THEY CAN SIMPLY BUFF AMMO POOLS
One requires a keystone perk
One does not
It's going to be easier with the infinite ammo drops anyways
balmy oak
they were running knife,flamer and stealth
sage river
Or higher pools or what have you, either way it's just replacing the perk with a default
fading vale
are we on clowns defending survivalist hours again
gray ice
are we on clowns defending survivalist hours again
time is a circle
umbral kindle
You can dodge off the little thingie on the right
desert vessel
you can get knocked off to the other side by a mutie or a plogryn, its happned to me
sage river
are we on clowns defending survivalist hours again
I think it should be heavily reworked, but just making it impossible to run out of ammo by default is also bad
tidal berry
reading is difficult
balmy oak
how do you skip the hacking part, they went through that door without doing the hacks
tidal berry
honestly my fault
frozen glen
how'd they dothat?
uncle ruckus
umbral kindle
So anyway since the chat is nice and heated who wants to show off their bleed knife builds
desert vessel
how do you skip the hacking part, they went through that door without doing the ...
there are no hacks in that area though?
sage river
They go hand in hand don't they? Canonically zealots are only smarter than ogryns as playable races in darktide
balmy oak
there are no hacks in that area though?
the midway hacks with the blast door
or the half way event
desert vessel
is that in this part of the mission?
balmy oak
no
fading vale
idk I just saw people people overly mad and arguing over survivalist
I ain't scrolling all the way up
balmy oak
I spawned in during the midway event, there's a horde of crushers and a pogryn, I die eventually, no one does hack,they're at the elevator already
sage river
idk I just saw people people overly mad and arguing over survivalist
That's a vet perk right?
balmy oak
the blast doors weren't opened
cerulean pike
"i'm stupid but i'ma just blame zealot chat cause that's easier than to admit i'm dumb"
desert vessel
whats the distance on auras
cerulean pike
coherency
desert vessel
whats the distance on coherency
sage river
the one that gives everyone infinite ammo
I dunno about infinite, some teammates are stupid enough to still somehow waste all theirs
candid nest
Is there any salvaging this?
gray ice
idk I just saw people people overly mad and arguing over survivalist
it's fairly simple. Dunce cap was saying ammo scaling with intensity is good and that the numbers could be worked on if it's too strong for some weapons
fading vale
well, it's particularly infinite in auric stuff cause there are so many damn specials and elites, I suppose it depends on the gun but like, I can m1 with a brauto for 80% of the game and never run out
fading vale
whats the distance on coherency
I think it's 8m now but not 100% on that
sage river
The fun part is turning darktide into a game where the melee is to be forgotten
desert vessel
I think it's 8m now but not 100% on that
does stuff like charistmatic and big brute increase that to 16m
sage river
fading vale
it used to be 15m, but they changed the close range radius to 8m
fading vale
does stuff like charistmatic and big brute increase that to 16m
I'm not sure, I would assume they work unless people are saying they don't but I don't know those talents off the top of my head
cerulean pike
if you're receiving cohrency bonuses from that person
it should work
i believe aura is tied to a person's cohrency bonus unless it's a seperate value in the code
fading vale
most of the weapons have good enough ammo pools as is now without survivalist, and there's usually enough ammo on the map, I do think they could consider adding something like ammo stations in addition to med stations, basically just guaranteed ammo at certain parts of maps
desert vessel
I'm not sure, I would assume they work unless people are saying they don't but I...
towering brute gives plus 50 % coherency radius and so does charismatic, does that apply to auras as well
sage river
No then, that's 12m not 16m
fading vale
50% coherency radius should mean you benefit from coherency at 12m, but I've honestly never cared enough about coherency to look into the specifics enough to know exactly how that stuff works
I would assume the code says if coherency with person then aura = active
frozen ibex
Use loner and not have to worry about coherency.
obtuse solstice
can't decide between these 2 builds... sustained is good but is it worth giving up the top middle tree and nades? (crit dclaw)
gray ice
I'd go with right, I like sustained too, but it's not exactly necessary
not having immo or stuns is basically guaranteed to get you into a situation where you'll really wish you had em though
fading vale
it kind of depends on your weapons too
gray ice
also true, I'm talking with crit dclaw in mind like they mentioned
gray ice
curio ratings are an enigma
proven stream
How do you, personally, deal with crushers? They're very fat and I don't like them :c
lone pecan
I use my crusher to deal with crushers
desert vessel
How do you, personally, deal with crushers? They're very fat and I don't like th...
I run mk15 eviscerator, my fav melee weapon by far , it can handle crushers too
and its unga bunga monke brain to use
lone pecan
Special heavy, start sawing, use chastise, one shot the crusher
blazing fossil
i still love HS6 on zealot, i use auto fire on bolter to deal with crushers
blades of faith for trappers/hounds/bombers so you dont waste ammo
pretty sure the HS6 has the fasted TTK on elites aside from carapace
fastest*
lone pecan
I wish we had button mapping for controllers, so blades of faith was a better option
quaint geode
Does hardmode unlocks only on damnation difficulty?
gray ice
I'm not sure what you mean
sharp stirrup
I assume referring to the twins mission
gray ice
oh like to beat the mission for hard mode to unlock?
quaint geode
Yeah, the bell thing. Can it be unlocked only on damnation or I can do it on any difficulty
gray ice
Honestly, don't know
oak ermine
Yeah, the bell thing. Can it be unlocked only on damnation or I can do it on any...
You can unlock the skip on any difficulty, so long as you clear the encounter IIRC
quaint geode
Only found out about it today and damnation twins was hard already without hardmode
oak ermine
But the insignia you can only get on Damnation with hard mode engaged
quaint geode
I got Insignia from damnation twins without this, we did entire mission from start
The bells penance doesn't give anything beside level skip and hardmode skip options as far as I've been told
hollow mantle
theres a cosmetic thing that goes by your portrait when you beat them on secret hardmode damnation
humble wasp
four balls?
hollow mantle
Need a good coordinated team for it though. Its not super hard when you get competent players, but trying it with people who don't know what they are doing is pretty much impossible
So just getting a random group of pubs is rough
quaint geode
Any recommendations for bosses to make fight easier?
humble wasp
I know I'm not that good. I can pull it off on damnation, but not without reviving teammates.
hollow mantle
Theres some good write ups out there. high fire rate ranged weapons eat up the melee boss shield. have people stay in melee with the ranged boss to make them kick instead of shooting or throwing nades. constantly clear the nades when you can
eviscerators wreck the ranged boss shield apparently
sly shale
four balls?
Golden balls
humble wasp
Personally, going Zealot with stealth allows to revive teammates, making it easier to grind the fight.
frozen glen
Any recommendations for bosses to make fight easier?
use the combat axe and spam heavies
namely the rashad cuz it has the fastest heavies
dont even have to hit weakspots just spam it
humble wasp
No love for thunder hammers? I like how charged hit can stun bosses.
hollow mantle
its not great on these bosses
because they have set damage caps and the boss fight goes in stages
steep igloo
How do people build their crushers these days?
gray ice
humble wasp
I hate that weapon. I suck with crushers so much, these could be vacuums.
placid lily
Vin is republican
gray ice
Vin doesn't discuss politics as that is a void of which there is no end
placid lily
placid lily
blazing fossil
wtf are these zealot pants
placid lily
Stylin
gray ice
very old ones
blazing fossil
i kinda want some
gray ice
haven't been in rotation since forever
desert vessel
is that your just a flesh wound timer
placid lily
Yeah
placid lily
I'm pretty sure Nurgle lives in that wound now.
Nah dw
humble wasp
I'm a bit sad about not getting that penance during beta.
fading vale
wtf are these zealot pants
fading vale
lethal totem
lost cloud
Anything I should change?
royal vortex
the good shit
quaint geode
Well, I did the bell thing got disconnected in a middle of a twin fight
native cargo
the good shit
Zealot chat thrives on the burdens carried by those before. Those pants carried alot that day
royal vortex
Anything I should change?
theres a crusher guide in the pins. generally i'd try to upgrade skullcrusher and beyond that perks are to taste
spare dome
reload speed on my crusher, got it
royal vortex
suffer
wheat topaz
fuck
native cargo
So what if I got stamina and block eff on my crusher
placid lily
wheat topaz
should i change the block efficiecny with 25% cara or unyield damage?
lean lark
theres a crusher guide in the pins. generally i'd try to upgrade skullcrusher an...
shilling your own product
shame
royal vortex
So what if I got stamina and block eff on my crusher
at this point ur self harming and thats not my problem
royal vortex
i like the posting the emoji and then editing it to be the text face
royal vortex
😔
native cargo
I prefer text face
naive star
2 games with knife, not sure there is going back anymore, addicted to speed
And best part is can go grab all the materials too
celest cave
7 times in a row got a Refinery Delta map
Fucking heretics can't stop brewing shit.
gilded cairn
Does the zealot flamethrower sound "overrides" other game sounds when you are inside the flame?
balmy oak
is there a bug where the toughness isn't adding up properly?
oh nvm psyker base toughness is 60
mossy hornet
What are the most fun zealot weapons now?
zinc talon
Does the zealot flamethrower sound "overrides" other game sounds when you are in...
can you jiggle your wording a bit so I know what you mean
like, inside another zealot's flamer jet cone?
zinc talon
What are the most fun zealot weapons now?
crusher, hands down
bolter's great, flamer too
new chain weapons are all fun in their own right
mossy hornet
Crusher? Interesting!
fiery ingot
that lowkey looks like steve
zinc talon
@mossy hornet
I did a couple short vids on how to maximize your enjoyment of bringin the crusher
mossy hornet
Awesome.
zinc talon
why everyone who says it's subpar is wrong
why everyone's built theirs incorrectly
and why for just 9.99 monthly you can begin to-
placid lily
Penis
placid lily
https://tenor.com/view/secret-handshake-hand-shake-bro-gif-18011345
That’s crazy
zinc talon
placid lily
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1188338317360640080/W...
Nice one
placid lily
Nice
fiery ingot
That’s crazy
🤝
placid lily
Skissue?
zinc talon
shadly sho
zinc talon
but for true shiggles
both 5% move speeds
all attack speed and damage increases
bible thump, corruption eater, stun grenades 2.0
pack a crusher, or evis, or chainaxe
and you're a dungeons and dragon heavy armor priest
in terms of the group role filled
this will give you a hundred overlevels of top tier kickassin
dust off ya flamer and/or heavy sword when ya feelin frisky
do not touch the knife
it will corrupt your playstyle and cheapen your thinking
let someone else sit there with extra spicy armpits mission after mission
keen silo
are there skin mods for outfit like the weapon mod discord?
zinc talon
there's one called for the drip
that lets you really get into the deep dicking changing your armor
other people can't see what you fit yourself in just like weapon customizations mod
meager turret
I’m curious as to what For the Drip users look like to other players
gilded cairn
like, inside another zealot's flamer jet cone?
Yes
Zealots with flamers are not that common, but I can't tell if is the timing of the "main characters" talking mission dialogue which naturally lowers the volume or if it is just the flamer killing other sounds (when I am inside of the friendly flamer cone of fire)
blazing fossil
i made a chaxe/flamer build but too chickenshit to try it
west schooner
why not
blazing fossil
i dunno, I like my HS6 too much
blazing fossil
no, the HS6 just slaps everything but crushers so hard
west schooner
cant fault wanting to use good weapons
west schooner
no, the HS6 just slaps everything but crushers so hard
even against crushers its pretty good
its quite literally a meta weapon
especially when ran with martyrdom, since u can reach to a point where light attack weakspot can one shot poxwalkers
granted its not the HS9, but its still a HS
the special attack is pretty effective vs flak and carapace
granted not fast, but it has a way to deal with it even without the help of crits, chastise, or even just an alt weapon
blazing fossil
I just run the bolter and only use it on crushers or snipers. Blades of faith for other threats
spare dome
ye thats the way
except blade for snipers too
dont forget they still inhereit the buffs of your current weapon
west schooner
i love arcing the blades onto snipers
left iron
even against crushers its pretty good
Damn, i must be running a weird version of the HS whenever i feel like playing it if its considered 'good' against crushers
west schooner
especially from far places
spare dome
left iron
Damn, i must be running a weird version of the HS ~~whenever i feel like playing...
This is the special attack. A whopping 200 damage
spare dome
my current record
left iron
Granted it does stagger, but its not good against crushers
Its the only thing you can do reliably to crushers to kill them
With HS
spare dome
i dunno for the 6, but for the 9 just mashing special into heavy over and over is plenty
headtaker, sustained assault takes care of the rest
left iron
Yes, for singular crushers
spare dome
it's not super fast but it's plenty and safe
left iron
Its okay, you can kill them but it takes a bit
But saying HS is good against carapace is wildly wrong
spare dome
they really dont worry me, and when they do show up in a pack of six, just Q to Bolter, toss knife for draw, FotF, and you can waste three of them in a mag, four if you get a bit lucky
left iron
even against crushers its pretty good
I must've misread
west schooner
my fault, wording
spare dome
i would still say it's good though
west schooner
spare dome
it's really just semantics
'bad' is really a total inability to do anything to it, neither damage nor control
left iron
Its okay at best, i wouldnt say its good
spare dome
and to a degree that becomes less about the weapon specifically and more about your sum loadout
left iron
Sure it can do it, but you're better off having a secondary that deals with armor
spare dome
and magdumping a bolter just feels good
west schooner
Sure it can do it, but you're better off having a secondary that deals with armo...
well, its literally what having a secondary weapon is supposed to do
and well, cant really say that the HS isnt one of the best weapon rn can u?
unless u wanna compare it to combat axe
left iron
well, its literally what having a secondary weapon is supposed to do
Mhm, this is true. Complementing the weakness of your primary, like for HS, carapace and monster damage.
And yes, it is one of the best weapons, im not arguing against it. It just has an obvious weakness, unlike most of the even dumber weapons
west schooner
lets debate about this a little, what weapon would u say, dont have an obvious weakness and is dumber
left iron
Rashad caxe comes to mind, you already mentioned it as well
west schooner
Rashad caxe comes to mind, you already mentioned it as well
yea, up to a certain point that's not false, especially in the lower difficulties
higher difficulties tho i will say there's the fact that its cleave is limited to 4
its a potential issue especially when trying to aim for key targets in a horde
onyx solar
with a combat knife vs maulers, am i trying to heavy their carapace helms or body shot them?
west schooner
Yeah, it only kills 4 ragers at a time
i mean, can u even reach the breakpoint of one shotting a rager with 1 combat axe swing?
left iron
with a combat knife vs maulers, am i trying to heavy their carapace helms or bod...
Bodyshot if you dont have rending
west schooner
as dumb as it is, and it truly is, idk if its that dumb
zinc talon
left iron
i mean, can u even reach the breakpoint of one shotting a rager with 1 combat ax...
I havent tried, i'd assume not. But the weapon is safe enough to deal with several at a time due to headtaker, having a good dodge, while LMB spamming, and having no issues with boss damage/ armor damage on top of that. BM giving a respectable horde clear is just the cherry on top
west schooner
nice chainsword
onyx solar
good ol Chaxe IV
west schooner
its a chainsword dude
zinc talon
just red blooded meat and perterders chainsword stock right here
zinc talon
I'll say it again, swapping out the parts on a particular chain platform for another is just dopamine city
your brain can't help but fall for the newweaponyay
and some of the attack animations like especially chainaxe 4 on a 1h chainsword
even more violent than the weapon they came with
west schooner
I havent tried, i'd assume not. But the weapon is safe enough to deal with sever...
yea not false, and for zealot, martyrdom or momentum can compensate for the low swing speed hence compensating the low cleave count even further
got any other weapons u think stupid?
west schooner
your brain can't help but fall for the *newweaponyay*
fatshark wont pump out new weapons for us faster so we gotta make our own
onyx solar
guarantee you they've finished a bunch but they want to wait for quarterlies or something
(they probably use the weapon customization mod too)
spare dome
im sure there's a boatload we dont have that 'work'
but they just have shit identity
and would serve no purpose as an addition other than maybe looking different
zinc talon
fatshark wont pump out new weapons for us faster so we gotta make our own
if they would GIVE me a flashlight
I would not have to take matters into my own hands and give myself one
onyx solar
im sure there's a boatload we dont have that 'work'
i wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt
zinc talon
so whose fault is it really
onyx solar
personally
west schooner
so whose fault is it really
still fatshark's
zinc talon
onyx solar
every time I play with thunderheart I leave a little disappointed
fattymcfatface is cool tho
west schooner
fking 1862?
zinc talon
my lil pocket psucker
west schooner
also that fking intro with the flashlight is just hilarious
left iron
got any other weapons u think stupid?
I mean, most weapons you can get away with that let you just mindlessly hold W + spam LMB AND do well while doing so regardless of player skill, are problematic and dumb in my opinion. Caxes are at the top of the list for me personally, but HS is pretty high up there too yes, this started with the HS, i know. I consider it a dumb weapon
zinc talon
the pause there in the middle, was when I realized oh. everyone else dead. this now rescue
frozen glen
i mean, can u even reach the breakpoint of one shotting a rager with 1 combat ax...
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
zinc talon
no good deed goes unpunished I guess
left iron
Mister Bulging
frozen glen
actually maybe u can do it with maniac elites and decimator idk
maybe max ht decap stacks
left iron
Nah you cant, you need marty stacks on top of it
frozen glen
its time for the calc
sharp zodiac
Emergency response ogryn to the rescue
left iron
west schooner
that was a fking clutch, literally perfect timing as the trapper got your ass
zinc talon
almost to the frame
god the original chainaxe just wakes up every fucking morning choosing violence
blazing fossil
I have the most unique names
plucky sparrow
i wonder what they'll name their 5th operative
sharp zodiac
All I got in the name department is Luna, Ash, Náomi
No ogryn
blazing fossil
i wonder what they'll name their 5th operative
George
plucky sparrow
nah you gotta be unique, since you're so good at naming operatives it will be "Jeorge"
jaunty lava
That's my squad
blazing fossil
lol
plucky sparrow
the quotation marks HAVE to be included in the name too
blazing fossil
That's my squad
no stinky ogyrn?
west schooner
George
should name the 5th operative "Lord Horrik Canorem, Son of High King Valorik Canorem, High Prince of House Canorem, Master of the Blade of Gaia, Keeper of the Gates of Loralo, Wielder of the Kaloric Flame, Bringer of Hope, Herald of the Holy Order of the Adamantine Lance, The Paladin of Koto, Slayer of the Lion of Essa, The Triumphant"
blazing fossil
should name the 5th operative "Lord Horrik Canorem, Son of High King Valorik Can...
I'll do it if FS doesn't have a character limit
plucky sparrow
should name the 5th operative "Lord Horrik Canorem, Son of High King Valorik Can...
18 character limit so we gotta do an acyronym
jaunty lava
18 characters
sharp zodiac
should name the 5th operative "Lord Horrik Canorem, Son of High King Valorik Can...
I understood that reference
west schooner
LHCSHKVCHPHCMBGKGLWKFBHHHOALTPKSLETT would be the acronym
cerulean jewel
LHKSoHKCHPoHCMotBoGKotGoLWotKFBoHHotHOotALTPoKSoyLoETT
west schooner
LHKSoHKCHPoHCMotBoGKotGoLWotKFBoHHotHOotALTPoKSoyLoETT
i tried to omit the smaller words like of, and the
cerulean jewel
that's still a lot of characters
jaunty lava
If you play with that and someone gets the reference, bonus points
ember yew
my autopistol cant be this cute
plucky sparrow
you'd have to do LHKSoHKCHPoHCMotBG for the longest name
plucky sparrow
my autopistol cant be this cute
it needs a scope fr fr
reef pewter
are monstrosities Unyielding armor type?
sharp zodiac
And balwarks
fleet zealot
spare dome
1
violet hornet
spare dome
mutants can grab you in stealth if youre right in their line
but no they cant see you
this is true for everything
visual stream
Muties will always grab on contact, whether you're intended target or not
desert vessel
is retributors stance good?
visual stream
I've dodged into their grab a couple of times while they were going for close teammates
left iron
is retributors stance good?
No
spare dome
yea no
left iron
It can only proc whenever you dont have momentum active, and when you are in melee, you dont usually need it
spare dome
just math it out
2% per stack, 20 stacks max, 40% toughness max
8 second window for use
so 5% toughness a second at its absolute hypothetical best
fleet zealot
so mutants can see through stealth?
they can't see you but thye will grab you if you are in their way
spare dome
in reality it's going to be much closer to 10-30%
and you also aren't really in control of when it's procing which is the worst part
if i have the ability to regain 40% of my toughness, i'd want it on a trigger i can manage
instead you are 90% of the time triggering the full stacks at the start of a fight when your toughness is already full
visual stream
Think maybe the CDR that martyrdom pathing gives you could use a buff? I considered if any hit triggering cooldown reduction would make it better, it would let you play with your toughness taking intentional hits and bring more risk/reward rather than it being just a trash talent
Still low tier compared to crit cdr after that, but at least better
spare dome
honestly, just leave it lmao
it's not unsalvageable but who cares when crit CDR continues to exist
visual stream
Never used it so Idk how good it is when you do take a health hit but I've heard it's pretty horrid
Yeah, true
spare dome
and yeah it's pretty fucking bad
i cant think of a tree construction where that point wouldnt be strictly better spent somewhere else
i wouldnt be against buffing it but the condition of taking damage will always make it shitty
even if it was straight up 100% of the damage you take is converted to CDR
and you cant make it toughness damage triggered since that would be undoubtedly insane
visual stream
Maybe increase the cdr it gives you overall, then give it a penalty for if it's a toughness only hit
reef pewter
so 5% toughness a second at its absolute hypothetical best
use it for the attack speed and damage then. it's just a passive up to 20% of each for free. it doesnt have burst value, but it has a rather large constant value
desert vessel
is mk15 good for a crit build?
visual stream
Flagellants are known for casually giving themselves pain that they can manage, so allowing yourself to benefit off of toughness-only hits would still make sense
spare dome
i mean lore sense, sure, but not gameplay
you'd basically have infinite dashes during gunfights
reef pewter
not if it's a large reduction
it still makes sense gameplay wise
it's only nonsensical if it's busted
spare dome
and it would be
reef pewter
unless you balance it
visual stream
Hence the penalty, it would be a bonus to CDR without wasting health but still putting yourself in danger of losing health
spare dome
i think yall overlooking that literally every zealot ult has the capacity to regenerate your toughness
so its legit an infinite loop
it would only be 'balanced' if the effect were so minimal as to be ignorable
reef pewter
that's why it woukd be a small amount on toughness you dolt
like 25% of the default
balanced
reef pewter
it wouldnt help much but it would help
desert vessel
what does swift certainty do exactly?
spare dome
cause it's a lot
reef pewter
it is a lot
spare dome
swift certainty = zoom faster
reef pewter
that's why it'd be less than 1% damage taken lmao
spare dome
and when you are sprinting with stamina* you are intangible to gunfire from the correct angles of approach
desert vessel
wdymn correct angles?
spare dome
swift certainty lets you do that even without stamina
reef pewter
if you run straight into gunfire you get gunned down but at a harsh angle you dodge gunfire
spare dome
gunner shooting you up ahead, you sprint away towards the left
but yeah basically anything not entirely headon
desert vessel
I took pious cutthroat, and I dunno if I also wanna get swift certainty
reef pewter
granted that doesnt matter because they hit you anyways, and there's often enough gunners that you literally cant have good sprint angles on all of them and the horde exists so suffer but technically the mechanics exist
spare dome
yeah you'll just be dodge sliding
or sprint sliding
anyway that sprint speed is separate from the other move speed bonuses
reef pewter
wdym separate?
spare dome
you can have the two 5% move speed nodes for 10% speed
and then swift certainty is boosting that 10% as well on your sprints
they are two separate functions so they aren't just clumped in together
reef pewter
nice
spare dome
so if your speed is 5, it's 5.5 from the move speed nodes already, and then 6.05 with swift. it adds up
vets with close and kill are my best friend
visual stream
Warhammer every three seconds be like "MUH GRIMDARKNESS OF THE FAR FUTURE"
visual stream
LEMUR RUSS MENTIONED⁉️ 🗣️
naive star
Too bad cant sacrfice to get both blessings
Combat Axes get very rarely mentioned here, any guide or summary on them and which works for what role and what is generally best?
All i have is this to go by
north sedge
Press l1 and win, basically
Rashad best, aim at heads
Heavies only on crushers and bosses
naive star
Okay thanks, too bad the perfect 380 Rashad landed on my Psyker instead of Zealot
naive star
But can grab that blessing out of the Zealot's Melk shop one still
north sedge
It's one of the strongest weapons, people just don't talk about it a ton because it's dead simple
naive star
Heavy Sword is the same, yet i see it talked here quite often 🤷♂️
north sedge
Ah but it is more complex because sometimes you use a special maybe 😔